A RINGER OR A LEHNER?

With no games to play, there are going to be rumblings about the Oilers at the deadline. Edmonton is connected to Robin Lehner and most of the team’s defense is connected to Montreal this morning and that won’t change as we get closer to the deadline. These days off are a fun time to speculate and you can begin your morning reads here and here.  One fun item: Bob Green had a lot of success with Curtis Lazar and if the Oilers like Robin Lehner, what about that as a package for one of the young guns? Just speculating, but fun to do and the Hall item has been out there for a little while. We wait.

Back in 2009, the Edmonton Oilers were still trying to turn north and the Detroit Red Wings were at the end of their third Golden Age (1936-43; 1950-1955 and 1997-2009) with Stanley. Since 2009, the two teams have added some really nice players.

DETROIT RED WINGS SINCE 2009

  1. Tomas Tatar 147gp, 45-36-81
  2. Tomas Jurco 73gp, 10-17-27
  3. Peter Mrzaek 25gp, 2.17 .918
  4. Xavier Ouellet 23gp, 2-1-3
  5. Andrej Nestrasil 22gp, 1-4-5
  6. Landon Ferraro 4gp, 0-0-0
  7. Adam Almquist 2gp, 1-0-1
  8. Mitch Callahan 1gp, 0-0-0
  9. Ryan Sproul 1gp, 0-0-0
  10. Alexey Marchenko 1gp, 0-0-0

None since 2011, but that’s Detroit Red Wing development. Their first pick in 2012 (Martin Frk) is struggling and their 2013 first rounder Anthony Mantha has only six AHL goals in 26 games. No one is worried because it’s Detroit, they know what they’re doing. Ken Holland is off to the minors for the rest of the week to look at Landon Ferraro, and that link has some dynamite quotes (it’s like he’s pumping before dumping).

Ken Holland and the Red Wings spent years and years building and making few rental moves.

  • Holland: “I’m not doing any more rentals, because Detroit’s system is about getting players from Europe, college and junior into minor pro and then you’ve got to get them into the NHL. If I acquire rental players I don’t have enough picks—like when we went to the draft in 1999 in Boston with no first pick, no second pick, no third pick and no fourth pick.” Source: Behind the Moves

When they exited the third “Golden Era” Detroit started to add via deadline style trades. Kyle Quincey came back that way in Feb ’12, the team dealt Calle Jarnkrok, Patrick Eaves and a third-round pick for David Legwand last in March a year ago. Jeff Petry could absolutely arrive in a similar fashion but there may be other targets for Detroit.

  • Ken Campbell: I’m told the asking price from the Sabres for Myers is prospect Dylan Larkin, a roster player along the lines of a Riley Sheahan or Tomas Jurco and a first-round pick. That seems like an awful lot for an underachieving player who still has five years on his deal with a cap hit of $5.5 million per season. Source

Who knows if that’s the price but Larkin and Sheahan are very good young players; added to a first-round pick that seems a tad high for Myers.

WHAT ABOUT PETRY?

Here’s what I wrote 10 days ago:

  • Jeff Petry: A third-round pick. Petry is a younger blue but the team trading for him has no guarantee he’ll sign. Strictly as a rental, I think he gets a third-round selection in a deep draft, the pick landing somewhere between No. 75 and No. 90. Source

The Red Wings second-round pick is currently No. 56, that’s my guess. I also like Andreas Athanasiou, Tomas Jurco, Ryan Sproul and Teemu Pulkkinen. Matty says Sproul, I’d be fine with that—well not really, but he’s a prospect with potential. The Edmonton Oilers can’t win this deadline, not if they’re dealing Petry as a rental.

EDMONTON OILERS SINCE 2009

  1. Taylor Hall 287gp, 103-151-254
  2. Magnus Paajarvi 228gp, 32-39-71
  3. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 227gp, 53-108-161
  4. Nail Yakupov 158gp, 33-34-47
  5. Anton Lander 104gp, 2-10-12
  6. Martin Marincin 56gp, 0-7-7
  7. Oscar Klefbom 42gp, 1-5-6
  8. Leon Draisaitl 37gp, 2-7-9
  9. Tobias Rieder 36gp, 6-6-12
  10. Tyler  Pitlick 24gp, 2-0-2
  11. Brandon Davidson 4gp, 0-0-0
  12. Darnell Nurse 2gp, 0-0-0
  13. Bogdan Yakimov 1gp, 0-0-0

Looking at the 2009+ Oilers, there’s plenty to like there. The three centers of note (Nuge, Leon, Lander) could all spend several years as productive Oilers and the defensemen here (Nurse, Klefbom, Marincin) offer terrific hope too. What’s missing? Goalies of course, and beyond Hall and Yakupov, wingers. That’s not a massive concern as they are more readily available, but it does give one pause when it comes to the summer draft and young wingers Mitch Marner and Lawson Crouse.

OILERS PROJECTED 50-MAN LIST FOR 2015-16 (48)

A great discussion last night/this morning about which players to sign and how that might impact next year’s 50 man list. Players in bold are projected additions or RFA/UFA that I’m suggesting Edmonton retains.

  • Goalies (4): ANTTI NIEMI, Ben Scrivens, Laurent Brossoit, MATT O’CONNOR
  • Defensemen (16): JOHNNY BOYCHUK, Mark Fayne, Andrew Ference, Niki Nikitin, JUSTIN SCHULTZ, Oscar Klefbom, Darnell Nurse, Martin Marincin, BRAD HUNT, BRANDON DAVIDSON, Jordan Oesterle, Dillon Simpson, David Musil, Martin Gernat, Ben Betker, Joey Laleggia.
  • Center (10): Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, DEREK ROY, Leon Draisaitl, Boyd Gordon, ANTON LANDER, Bogdan Yakimov, Jujhar Khaira, Travis Ewanyk, Greg Chase, Marco Roy, Kyle Platzer.
  • Left Wing (8): Taylor Hall, Benoit Pouliot, Matt Hendricks, Luke Gazdic, CURTIS HAMILTON, Kale Kessy, Mitchell Moroz, Anton Slepyshev
  • Right Wing (9): Jordan Eberle, Teddy Purcell, Nail Yakupov, ROB KLINKHAMMER, TYLER PITLICK, Iiro Pakarinen, Andrew Miller, Josh Winquist, Jackson Houck.

This assumes the Oilers don’t bring their top draft pick to the NHL and also assumes they sign all of their CHL kids, plus Laleggia, Slepyshev and Winquist. I’ve added UFA’s Niemi, Boychuk, Roy and Klinkhammer plus retained Pitlick. Obviously not what they’ll do, but it does tell us Edmonton can get under 50 without losing something extremely valuable.wood

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

Short show this morning, TSN1260 at 10. Oil Kings game at 11:15, so we have less time to get everything in.

  • Dennis King. We’ll talk Oilers at the deadline and NFL.
  • Dave Jamieson, TSN1260. CFL offseason, coach of the year and free agency.
  • Corey Graham, TSN1260’s Oil Kings pbp. We’ll preview this morning’s game.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide_ on twitter.

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107 Responses to "A RINGER OR A LEHNER?"

  1. Lowetide says:

    That Ottawa item seems to have some steam.

  2. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Nail Yakupov 158gp, 33-34-47

    Why do you hate Yakupov so much?

  3. frjohnk says:

    With Anderson 34 years old and “no 3rd goalie” ( Murrays words) Id be surprised Sens give up on a goalie like Lehner who is only 23.

    Last 3 year years including this year
    Lehner
    Perimeter shot save % 96.59
    Home Plate % 86.7%

    League average
    Perimeter shot save % 97.15
    Home Plate % 87.3%

    Is this as good as it gets? Or does he project to be a number 1? How much do you give up to get him?

    I think its risky for the Sens to trade him( he might become a number 1) or the team trading for him if this is as good as it gets ( his numbers from above are pretty much on par with Scrivens)

  4. Clay says:

    The topic of how well Detroit develops players has been pretty much beaten to death. But the aspect I like the most is what you hear from the organization (GM and coach) about their players. Or rather, what you DON’T hear.

    No obscene “Norris potential” hyperbole, or conversely running kids down in the media over conditioning (even though the conditioning was prescribed by the team!). Just honest evaluation, and more often than not, sticking to the ideal that “less is more” when it comes to quotes to media.

    Oilers brass should be taking notes.

  5. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Lowetide:
    That Ottawa item seems to have some steam.

    It does, but Renaud Lavoie said a couple of days ago in Le Journal that the Oilers were asking but didn’t want to give up one of their young forwards. MacT trying to move a pick + D maybe? Marincin?

    Just speculating based off that info.

  6. jbfuzz says:

    I threw this out on Twitter and thought I’d try it out here too. If St. Louis is interested, would you deal Boyd Gordon for a package including the rights to Vladimir Sobotka? Something like Gordon for MPS + the rights to Sobotoka with the Oil inking him to a long-term deal after. I suspect Gordon will get dealt next deadline if not this one, and I’d rather the Oilers receive best value.

    Ottawa has a giant hole of awful on their blue. Oilers have many prospects. Might be a match. Is a Scrivens/Lehner duo an improvement heading into 201516?

  7. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    frjohnk,

    I agree with you. Ottawa traded away Bishop and look what happened. They probably wish they had a mulligan on that one. Keep Bishop, trade Lehner. It would be admitting a huge mistake if they also traded Lehner.

  8. PhrankLee says:

    I think with the age difference between Andseson and Lehner is going to prevent them from parting easily with the younger man. If at all.

    He is 23 so just out of gangly and in the first days of man size.

    Unless the Pittsburgh pick and a warm NHL body are in play I don’t see them prying him away.

    (Would love it though to have our own 23 year old Swedish goalie who is 6 foot 4 and 225 lbs!!)

  9. bendelson says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    You were so close to naming that ever elusive 3 for 1!

    Lehner for Marincin, Pitt’s 1st and Fasth.

    Is there risk there? Yes, no doubt. We are talking about a 23 yr old goalie.
    Do I make that move? Yes, But I’m not a patient man and want to see ‘bold’ moves that don’t involve Yak, Ebs or Hall.

  10. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    bendelson,

    That’s bold indeed. Especially after Conacher and a pick for Bishop, that kind of payment hurts. Not saying I wouldn’t do it or not. I’d have to think long and hard about that. That’s quite a massive package going the other way.

    If we draft Hanifin, I’d perhaps be a bit more inclined.

  11. Ca$h-Money! says:

    LT,

    I like the idea of Boychuck, but I would be absolutely shocked if he doesn’t stay in NYI. He’s looked at as the #1 guy on that blue line for the first time in his career, he’s having great individual success, and his team is looking like a real stanley cup contender this year and in the near future.

    Why do we think he leaves that to come to Edmonton? Honest question.

  12. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Ca$h-Money!,

    He isn’t. He’s on that list there because technically he is still available, but Staple has reported they’re hammering out a long-term deal with AAV of $6M+ at the moment. Boychuk wants to stay and the Isles love him.

    He isn’t leaving there, according to the best source on Islanders news out there.

  13. Snowman says:

    bendelson:
    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    You were so close to naming that ever elusive 3 for 1!

    Lehner for Marincin, Pitt’s 1st and Fasth.

    Is there risk there?Yes, no doubt.We are talking about a 23 yr old goalie.
    Do I make that move?Yes, But I’m not a patient man and want to see ‘bold’ moves that don’t involve Yak, Ebs or Hall.

    That is an insane overpay in my books. MM is a top 5 Dman, Pitts first rounder will become a useful NHLer and Fasth’s numbers before he got here looked pretty similiar to Lehner’s did they not?

    If you’re going to pay that much you better be getting something legit back. Not a “this could probably work if things go ok” because Edmonton has proven that with goalies in this town things don’t go ok.

  14. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Any reason why some of the RFAs retained (Yak, Marincin for example) aren’t bold? Is there a subtext I’m missing here?

    ——-
    If they get O’Connor, I like the idea of running Brossoit and O’Connor at the AHL level without a safety net (Bachman, or equivalent).

    You can always pad things out with an AHL deal for a Ty Rimmer or the like.

    ——–
    “This assumes the Oilers don’t bring their top draft pick to the NHL”

    C’mon. the kid will play in the NHL.

  15. Ca$h-Money! says:

    Snowman,

    I agree. I personally think Anderson has more value, both on the open market and to this team specifically. As mentioned on the broadcast last night while he’s a little older, for the bulk of his pro career he played less than 30 games/season, so it’s a decent bet that he lasts a little longer than typical.

    He’s got 3 years left on a deal that, realistically, is pretty cheap for a #1 guy. I bet he’s good for that three years. He’s an experienced, proven option that is better, in my opinion, than any of the comparable UFA options (Niemi being the best of those).

  16. frjohnk says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    Ca$h-Money!,

    He isn’t. He’s on that list there because technically he is still available, but Staple has reported they’re hammering out a long-term deal with AAV of $6M+ at the moment. Boychuk wants to stay and the Isles love him.

    He isn’t leaving there, according to the best source on Islanders news out there.

    From Elliotte Friedman

    15. Speaking of defencemen, word is the Islanders and Johnny Boychuk’s agents (Gerry Johanssen/Steve Kotlowitz) have been working for a while to try and find common ground, but no one is saying anything, not even GM Garth Snow in a phone conversation.

    Personally Id be surprised he would not wait to see what other teams would offer him. Especially the Oilers. He is from Edmonton. Grew up an Oilers fan.

  17. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    frjohnk: From Elliotte Friedman

    15. Speaking of defencemen, word is the Islanders and Johnny Boychuk’s agents (Gerry Johanssen/Steve Kotlowitz) have been working for a while to try and find common ground, but no one is saying anything, not even GM Garth Snow in a phone conversation.

    Personally Id be surprised he would not wait to see what other teams would offer him.Especially the Oilers.He is from Edmonton.Grew up an Oilers fan.

    Well, that’s news to me. Friedman is very well respected, obviously, but Arthur Staple is extremely well connected to the Islanders.

    Edit- re-reading that, Friedman doesn’t say they aren’t close. He says “no one is saying anything.” And why should Snow tell him what he’s doing?

  18. bendelson says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    I agree it is paying full value for a young goalie.
    And your are right – drafting Hanifin does become more interesting if and when Marincin moves…

  19. frjohnk says:

    The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL": Well, that’s news to me. Friedman is very well respected, obviously, but Arthur Staple is extremely well connected to the Islanders.

    Edit- re-reading that, Friedman doesn’t say they aren’t close. He says “no one is saying anything.” And why should Snow tell him what he’s doing?

    Just so you know, friedman did not say the 2nd paragraph that’s me.

  20. bendelson says:

    Snowman,

    I will admit, part of my strong interest in Lehner involves a fear of Cam Ward and his contract…

  21. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    frjohnk,

    Yes, I gathered that. But all Friedman says is Snow won’t say anything.

    I tried to link two sources: one a radio podcast with Arthur Staple and one from lighthouse hockey blog with a bunch of tweets from Staple, but LT’s filter cut them off.

    Staple says: Talks are ongoing, Johnny wants to stay an Islander, and Snow never leaks anything so don’t expect any news until it’s done.

  22. rickithebear says:

    We have 33 points and are performing at 1.2 to .8 pts/gm under nelson a 68 to 76 point season
    EDM 61 -77P
    ARZ 62-69P = 37P + (.5-.7 X 36GM)
    MIN 68p-78P = 46p = ( .6-.9 X 36GM)
    CAR 55P – 84P = 37P + ( .5 – 1.3 X 36)
    TOR 58P – 79P = 47P + (.3 -.9 X 35)
    CLB 69P – 75P = 43P + (4-8-1 Without Bobrovsky) .7 X 37)
    Pwe could pick as low as HI 76p – 81P = 45P + ( 1.0 X 34)

    I would expect pick # 4-6

  23. frjohnk says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    frjohnk,

    Yes, I gathered that. But all Friedman says is Snow won’t say anything.

    I tried to link two sources: one a radio podcast with Arthur Staple and one from lighthouse hockey blog with a bunch of tweets from Staple, but LT’s filter cut them off.

    Staple says: Talks are ongoing, Johnny wants to stay an Islander, and Snow never leaks anything so don’t expect any news until it’s done.

    Most guys who are just traded to a team will say the polite words because they never want to burn any bridges.

    When a player says ” I don’t want to deal with negotiations during the season” means he is definitely headed to free agency.

    Boychuk has not said any of that and for any Islander fan that is a positive sign.

    I know Boychuk has said he likes where he is as an Islander and is open to talks to find a common ground and he could definitely sign there.

    But he might like free agency more.

    We wait.

  24. Ca$h-Money! says:

    frjohnk,

    I think it’s unlikely.

    This is a guy that was widely viewed as a second pairing, maybe number 4 guy on the Bruins for years.

    The isles go out of their way to acquire him. He is looked at as the number 1 guy on that team (not saying the TOI numbers or anything else backs that up, talking about perception here). That team is suddenly winning, and might very well win Stanley this year. They are a young team with most of their guys around for years to come, so it’s a great opportunity.

    They want to sign him long term for good dollars.

    From an ego perspective, I don’t see a guy in his position turning that down. He will appreciate what the Islanders have done for him & his career and will stick around, all the while looking forward to years of success on that team.

  25. frjohnk says:

    http://nyislesblog.com/articles/audio-arthur-staple-joins-islesblog-on-whpc-s-the-home-stretch

    Staples on Boychuk

    -65% he will sign

    -I think there is some confidence around the team that he might be interested in staying

    -He is not talking about it. His agent is not talking about it. Snow is not talking about it

    -I think there is mutual interest

    – a lot of reading the tea leaves

    – has not been any information that’s been released

    -I don’t see a team giving him an offer like the Islanders can ( position of a young team projecting forward)

  26. GCW_69 says:

    I don’t get signing Hunt and Laleggia unless Hunt is on an AHL only deal. frankly, I would sign one of them but AHL only and let the other walk.

    With Hunt, we know what he is and its not an NHL player. With Joey, we won’t know if he is an NHL player until we see him play in the AHL. He could be chaos in his own end like Hunt is.

  27. Jon K says:

    Lowetide:
    That Ottawa item seems to have some steam.

    Edmonton acquiring a backup from another team who has the “potential” to be a starter but has not shown it at the NHL level?

    Think I’ve heard this story before.

  28. GCW_69 says:

    This is the money quote from Dreger, ” Jeff Petry is probably going to command more than what most teams would want to pay under a normal circumstance.”

    that doesn’t sound like 3rd round pick to me.

  29. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    frjohnk:
    http://nyislesblog.com/articles/audio-arthur-staple-joins-islesblog-on-whpc-s-the-home-stretch

    Staples on Boychuk

    -65% he will sign

    -I think there is some confidence around the team that he might be interested in staying

    -He is not talking about it. His agent is not talking about it. Snow is not talking about it

    -I think there is mutual interest

    – a lot of reading the tea leaves

    – has not been any information that’s been released

    -I don’t see a team giving him an offer like the Islanders can ( position of a young team projecting forward)

    Yes, I tried to link to that podcast, too. LT must not like me cause it wouldn’t let me post that.

    Here are some tweets

    -65-35 it gets done
    -He believes Boychuk to be genuinely interested in staying.
    -Deal likely to be in the area of 6/40M

    https://twitter.com/StapeNewsday/status/555403366973849600
    https://twitter.com/StapeNewsday/status/555401988910120960
    https://twitter.com/StapeNewsday/status/555400635311751169

  30. Caramel Obvious says:

    I’m having a hard time reconciling the idea that Petry is going to get 5.5 million x 5 years as a free agent with him only getting a third round pick at the trade deadline.

    If both these statements are true then the NHL player market is even more irrational than I thought.

    There is no way I trade Petry for a third round pick. That just labels me as a sucker, which would make it harder to get good value down the road. A second round pick from a playoff team is light, even in a deep draft.

    If the rest of the league undervalues him that much I go to his agent and educate him on Petry’s value and then we try and get a deal done that works for both sides.

  31. Hammers says:

    We start trading Petry & Marincin you better hope Boychuck doesn’t sign for NYI . I Would do the Marincin , Fasth & Pits #1 but for Anderson not Lehner . Gives Broisoit a chance to grow . Lets face it we are all guessing both with potential trades , 50 man list , resigning UFA players . Right now I want Nelson to have the rest of this year to 1) get points . 2) Further Develop , Lander , Yak & Schultz. Whoever McT trades for is on the 50 and as I have said before I won’t be surprised to see Gordon or Hendricks gone . They are both prime pieces for a team on a cup run and may bring the right return .

  32. Cobbler says:

    Hammers,

    “Marincin , Fasth & Pits #1 but for Anderson not Lehner”. Man that is steep for either. I would just rather keep Fasth than give up Marincin and Pits #1. I haven’t looked but you probably aren’t gaining any cap space with this sort of deal.

  33. Caramel Obvious says:

    Trading more than Pittsburg’s #1 pick for either Anderson or Lehner is absurd. That is so far off the charts for value there are no words to describe it.

  34. Caramel Obvious says:

    Lehner’s save percentage the last three years: .914
    Scrivens’ save percentage the last three years: .914

    So you would like to pay a first round pick, Marincin, and Fasth for the “upgrade” from Lehner to Scrivens? That makes no sense.

    Anderson’s numbers are significantly better, except he’s 33. I’d trade for him but not at that price.

  35. AZOIL says:

    Ca$h-Money!:
    LT,

    I like the idea of Boychuck, but I would be absolutely shocked if he doesn’t stay in NYI.He’s looked at as the #1 guy on that blue line for the first time in his career, he’s having great individual success, and his team is looking like a real stanley cup contender this year and in the near future.

    Why do we think he leaves that to come to Edmonton?Honest question.

    He will not so we all need to move on from Johnny B.

    What about Ehrhoff in Pitt, is he having a good year? Will he likely stay there as well?

  36. leadfarmer says:

    rickithebear,

    We dont finish above Minnesota, Columbus, or Carolina. Toronto as bad as they have been still have a 14 point advantage in a much weaker division. Doubt we catch to them. Buffalo will be impossible to outtank and Arizona will be difficult to outtank. We are picking 3-4 depending on the lottery with MacDavid probably going to the desert.

  37. slopitch says:

    I wouldn’t move any of the core for a goalie prospect (whom I like) and Lazar (who I also like). Goalies are voodoo and while I get the need for Lazar (he’d be a perfect fit 2/3C for years), I think you gotta focus on addressing the top pairing D. If you go into next year without upgrading the D, your wasting another season.

    Lehner is a good prospect goalie but there are lots out there Subban, Valivesky, Jones, Raanta (its too bad we didnt get him) to name a few.

  38. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Remember when Timid Tambi almost had Ben Bishop for Ryan Jones and a pick?
    Whoops.

  39. Melman says:

    Jon K: Edmonton acquiring a backup from another team who has the “potential” to be a starter but has not shown it at the NHL level?

    Think I’ve heard this story before.

    That’s exactly what I was thinking. You’re right back to starting next season with 2 back-ups and no proven starter. If you work from the assumption that the Oilers need to go into next season with a a goalie other than Scrivens as their #1, how does Lehner help?

    Would you do: Lehner+Lazar for Scrivens, MM & Pitt’s 1st? Would Ottawa?

    In re-reading that you’d basically be trading Lazar for MM and Pitt’s 1st and that would be dumb

  40. Caramel Obvious says:

    Niemi’s save percentage the last three years is .916 and he’s about to be 32.

    The names out there at the cost being floated don’t make any sense. Established guys have risk too. I think you have to go with the best guy who is currently #2 or #1a on a team.

  41. ASkoreyko says:

    I just wanted to point out that Anthony Mantha was an Analytics pick was he not? I remember there being a lot of noise about his production in Junior and how he could be a huge sleeper pick. I know it is much to early to call this kid anything yet, but he could turn into a lightning rod for certain people given how much the numbers liked him.

    If you think about it, its basically the perfect situation any Analytics person could hope for, the analytics loved him and he gets to develop in the vaunted Detroit system. It will be very interesting seeing how he turns out.

    Obviously when your goal is to bat 0.400 its pretty hard to really put any value on a single pick, but it will still be something worth watching.

  42. doritogrande says:

    Lehner to me will cost too much. I’m concerned we’re talking up the wrong tall gangly Swedish goalie.

    Jakob Markstrom please. Probably wouldn’t cost us more than Marincin.

  43. Ben says:

    Matty wondering if Ray Whitney ends up working as an NHL executive in short order, hashtags #Oilers.

    “Executive Stickboy”?

  44. Gerta Rauss says:

    Caramel Obvious:
    I’m having a hard time reconciling the idea that Petry is going to get 5.5 million x 5 years as a free agent with him only getting a third round pick at the trade deadline.

    If both these statements are true then the NHL player market is even more irrational than I thought.

    There is no way I trade Petry for a third round pick.That just labels me as a sucker, which would make it harder to get good value down the road. A second round pick from a playoff team is light, even in a deep draft.

    If the rest of the league undervalues him that much I go to his agent and educate him on Petry’s value and then we try and get a deal done that works for both sides.

    Agree 100% here

    If a pick in the 80-90 range is all that is being offered the other 29 GMs can F off

    I’d hang on to Petry past the deadline, let him talk to the other teams during the free agent shopping period prior to the draft, then double back with your best offer prior to July 1. If he walks, so be it.

  45. stush18 says:

    I dont think ottawa moves out lehner. Like someone said previously they dont have any other goalies to play behind. Of course you could overpay but why do that for something not proven? Problem is nobody wants to trade there young up and coming goalies. And the last team that did got shithauled on the deal.

    We need to either draft and develop our own goalies or trade for cheap young unproven goalies that teams can afford to get rid of.

    Vasilevsky, gudlevski from tampa- one ahould be expendable.
    Mrazek or paterson from detroit- im fan of this, i think mrazek has a long career ahead of him. Trade for sproul too, looks like a gamer.
    Lack or markstrom from vancouver- I mentioned markstrom at the start of the year when he was on waivers, but i was shut down. Not unreasonably, but he looks good.
    Tokarksi or fucale-one should be avaiblie becuase of price
    Subban -boston same with canadians but because of rask

    Im sure there are more. Problem is none of these players are proven. And really brossoit looks good this year as a prospect. He has just as good of stats as some of these other guys. So why bother trading for them other then for there names?

    I imagine next year we run with something similiar to what we have this year. 2 decent backups/unproven/unteliable starters

  46. vinotintazo says:

    Caramel Obvious,

    lets suck forever then!

  47. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Remember when Timid Tambi almost had Ben Bishop for Ryan Jones and a pick?
    Whoops.

    And would he have left town with Chabot? Maybe.

    The thing about that Bishop deal, is that was then. Like $100 oil, the market for goalies/players is always changing. True that Pitt’s 1st, MM and Fasth is an overpay, but Bishop Conacher was dirt cheap – like the divorcee selling the Cadillac her husband gave her…

  48. Caramel Obvious says:

    vinotintazo,

    If your plan involved not sucking I would support it. The problem is that adding those guys doesn’t minimize the risk of sucking in any real way (except for Anderson–he’d be a legitimate short term upgrade–are we making the playoffs this year?)

  49. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    Holland: “I’m not doing any more rentals…

    Sometimes bold doesn’t seem bold.

  50. Melman says:

    doritogrande:
    Lehner to me will cost too much. I’m concerned we’re talking up the wrong tall gangly Swedish goalie.

    Jakob Markstrom please. Probably wouldn’t cost us more than Marincin.

    Van. is actually a little thin on the back end. Bieksa is 33 and has struggled this year and the prospect pool is pretty soft after Corrado. they need to make a decision on either Lack or Markstrom for next year – but neither is a starter.

  51. LMHF#1 says:

    Some of the young goalies who are not yet #1s that are out there would have higher perceived ceilings than Lehner. I guess the question would be whether they are available.

    Looking at teams that need to add for the playoffs…

    Could you pry Gibson out of Anaheim?

    If you’re looking for a backup and wanting to sign someone this offseason, you could get Mrazek out of Detroit first perhaps.

    Nashville has a couple young goalies.

    Always liked Vasilevskiy in Tampa.

  52. GCW_69 says:

    LMHF#1: Always liked Vasilevskiy in Tampa.

    He’s the guy I would go after. Figure out what Yzerman needs to take a serious run at the Cup, and offer him that for Vasilevskiy . The kid is about as can’t miss a goalie as we have seen since Price.

  53. Caramel Obvious says:

    GCW_69: He’s the guy I would go after.Figure out what Yzerman needs to take a serious run at the Cup, and offer him that for Vasilevskiy .The kid is about as can’t miss a goalie as we have seen since Price.

    I approve of this message.

  54. RexLibris says:

    I agree with CO that a package of Marincin, Pittsburgh’s 1st and another pick for Lehner is a very steep price for a goalie who has had struggles.

    I recall there being talk of similar values being placed on Markstrom when he was still in Florida’s system.

    If the Oilers really want Lehner and the Senators really want to trade him, an appropriate price would probably be something in the range of Marincin for Lehner, and to be perfectly frank I wouldn’t make that trade.

    I’d rather pursue Niemi or other goaltending options than pay a ransom for an undeveloped goalie.

    Take the case of Anders Lindback a few years ago. He seemed like he was primed to challenge Rinne for the starter’s job and Tampa Bay traded two 2012 2nd round picks, a 2013 3rd rounder and their G prospect Caron for him.

    Today he looks like a decent backup.

    There are more intelligent ways to use the available resources to improve goaltending than to send everything at a team for one NHL-ready prospect in an enigmatic player position.

  55. PhrankLee says:

    GCW_69: The kid is about as can’t miss a goalie as we have seen since Price.

    Completely agree with that. It’s my opinion that even if we get a #1 goalie somehow that we still need to draft one in the high order as well. Someone to push Brassoit out of the nest at the right time. 2-3 yrs from now.

  56. RexLibris says:

    Auston Matthews ’16:
    Holland: “I’m not doing any more rentals…

    Sometimes bold doesn’t seem bold.

    It’s also easier to make inaction appear bold when you’re holding a lot of face cards.

    MacTavish has a bad hand and is trying to bluff some of his competitors.

    The smart predatory ones will push MacTavish into a corner, knowing that he can’t let Petry go UFA while others may prioritize their own desperation and pay a little more if it means a post-season for them.

    Here’s an interesting little thought experiment for us.

    Burke and Treliving have said they won’t short circuit the rebuild by becoming buyers this trade deadline.

    The Flames are positioned for a playoff spot right now and desperately need another puck-moving defenseman to play behind Giordano and Brodie.

    Petry to the Flames for a 2nd round pick? It doesn’t short circuit the rebuild but addresses immediate need, allows the Flames to explore re-signing Petry right out from under the Oilers’ noses and addresses a crucial team need.

    Petry playing in the post-season in Flames’ colours. Would that be enough to shake a little humility into Oilers brass?

  57. John Chambers says:

    GCW_69,

    Well Detroit used a mid 1st rounder to acquire him not long ago, so I imagine they would want a roster player as well as a good draft selection to compensate.

    The cost of Petry plus the Pens’ first may get the conversation started, however if I’m Yzerman I probably need to have Gordon as part of the deal if the intention is to mortgage a big piece of the future to go for it now.

  58. oilersfan says:

    so does anybody know if Hanifin gets drafted can he play in the ahl next year? thanks

  59. TheOtherJohn says:

    I agree with LT looking at Detroit’s draft history is very illuminating. Very good later draft picks and a fantastic development system.If one excludes the Oilers 3 1OV and their 10th overall pick (MPS) the Oilers draft record looks pretty bad. In excluding the “great” Oiler 1OV’s it is truly difficult to screw up a 1OV. The Oilers would not have an appreciably worse team (if that is even possible) had they selected Sequin, Landeskog and R Murray

    LT uses ’09 (I would use 2007 but it looks noticeably worse for the Oilers) the Red Wings have drafted 32nd in ’09; 21 in 10; 35th in ’11; 49th in ’12; 20th in ’13). Outside of the 1st round Detroit has selected players that have scored 112 NHL points (57/55) and the Oilers over that same time period have scored 33 NHL points (10/23) with 6 goals and 6 assists of that total scored by Reider as a Yote. If you include ’07 and ’08 Detroit adds a further 127 NHL points (63/64) and the Oilers add 46 NHL points (14/32) by Omark and Harrtikannen in picks made outside of the 1st round.That in drafts where we had multiple picks and were selecting much earlier than Detroit

    LT points out that Martin Frik has strugglied: I agree. Frik was selected 18 slots after Mitch Moroz and has scored 4 -9 13 in 59 AHL games. That should be compared to Moroz scoring at a 0-3-3 pace in 31 AHL games. Mantha was selected 20th in ’13 and in his draft +1 year he played in 57 games and scored 57-63-120—2.10 ppg. In 24 playoff games he scored 24 -14 – 38 or 1.58 ppg. To put that draft+1 year in context our 2nd rd pick Marco Roy (great scorer in the Q) in draft+1 scored 35 points in 39 games (14/21) or at a .897 ppg clip and added 12 pointsi(4/8) in 20 Q playoff games or at a .6 ppg.

    To extent we compare the Detroit and Edmonton draft model, the Oiler picks outside of very early 1st round picks do not look very good.

  60. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    RexLibris: It’s also easier to make inaction appear bold when you’re holding a lot of face cards.

    MacTavish has a bad hand and is trying to bluff some of his competitors.

    The smart predatory ones will push MacTavish into a corner, knowing that he can’t let Petry go UFA while others may prioritize their own desperation and pay a little more if it means a post-season for them.

    Here’s an interesting little thought experiment for us.

    Burke and Treliving have said they won’t short circuit the rebuild by becoming buyers this trade deadline.

    The Flames are positioned for a playoff spot right now and desperately need another puck-moving defenseman to play behind Giordano and Brodie.

    Petry to the Flames for a 2nd round pick? It doesn’t short circuit the rebuild but addresses immediate need, allows the Flames to explore re-signing Petry right out from under the Oilers’ noses and addresses a crucial team need.

    Petry playing in the post-season in Flames’ colours. Would that be enough to shake a little humility into Oilers brass?

    Just no.

  61. frjohnk says:

    Salary cap for next year should be interesting.

    A 88 cent dollar gave us about a $71 Million dollar salary cap for next year.

    Today its at 81 cents.

    A lower salary cap will give more value to draft picks and prospects especially for cap crunched teams.

    We may not get much for Petry.

    But that 1st rounder from Pitts is a nice shiny coin to have.

  62. Lowetide says:

    RexLibris: It’s also easier to make inaction appear bold when you’re holding a lot of face cards.

    MacTavish has a bad hand and is trying to bluff some of his competitors.

    The smart predatory ones will push MacTavish into a corner, knowing that he can’t let Petry go UFA while others may prioritize their own desperation and pay a little more if it means a post-season for them.

    Here’s an interesting little thought experiment for us.

    Burke and Treliving have said they won’t short circuit the rebuild by becoming buyers this trade deadline.

    The Flames are positioned for a playoff spot right now and desperately need another puck-moving defenseman to play behind Giordano and Brodie.

    Petry to the Flames for a 2nd round pick? It doesn’t short circuit the rebuild but addresses immediate need, allows the Flames to explore re-signing Petry right out from under the Oilers’ noses and addresses a crucial team need.

    Petry playing in the post-season in Flames’ colours. Would that be enough to shake a little humility into Oilers brass?

    If they are paying the biggest price, then why not? I have no quarrel with trading inside the division and Calgary isn’t Edmonton’s competition until the Oilers are better.

  63. russ99 says:

    Lehner’s numbers are poor this year with more playing time than a backup usually gets.

    And frankly, I want to see a a real #1 starting goalie for this team, not try out someone else’s #2 and hoping he’ll develop into a #1, which is what we’ve been failing at frequently.

    Plus, Ottawa is looking for a top 6 forward. Whoever that would be (other than dumping Purcell) it would be way too much to pay for a semi-proven goalie.

    IMO, we need to make a trade for a #1, like the Schneider deal (for Pittsburgh’s pick ++) or sign Niemi.

  64. TheOtherJohn says:

    With the number of playoff teams (even playoff contenders) that need D men that can potentially play top 4 minutes in the later rounds, I fully expect a competent GM should be able to get a bidding war going for Petry. Teams that I would expect wouldbe interested would include: Chicago, Nashville, Detroit, Boston, StL, LAK, Pittsburgh and, gack, I hate to say it: Calgary

  65. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Lowetide: If they are paying the biggest price, then why not? I have no quarrel with trading inside the division and Calgary isn’t Edmonton’s competition until the Oilers are better.

    Their 1st rounder? Fine. Send him south. a mid-2nd? Not enough to help those guys out.

  66. VanOil says:

    If Holland wants a keeper what about our RFA Right handed defensemen?

    Jultz for Ferraro + 3d?

    Sign Petry.

    Do not trade for a goalie until after the season. I do want the shockingly poor hockey & idiotic management decisions I have watched since September be for not at the draft.

  67. rickithebear says:

    leadfarmer:
    rickithebear,

    We dont finish above Minnesota, Columbus, or Carolina.Toronto as bad as they have been still have a 14 point advantage in a much weaker division.Doubt we catch to them.Buffalo will be impossible to outtank and Arizona will be difficult to outtank.We are picking 3-4 depending on the lottery with MacDavid probably going to the desert.

    I loked at last 10 and lat 20 gamesa and looked at best10 and worst 10 as a Gage.
    take existing points and add games left times points per game low and high water mark.
    take the Middle of the Group:

    We are a 1.1P/gm under Nelson
    though we are
    2W 1l-OTL against LAK; CGY; COL; CHI; STL a 1.2 P/gm pace.
    BUF untouchable
    EDM 72-73P
    ARZ 64-66P
    TOR 71-72P
    CLB 72-73P

    with three teams likely in equal point range.
    one above one below is highly likely.
    WHICh Gets Us 4th.
    BUF
    ARZ
    TOR
    EDM
    CLB

    if we end up in #3 there is a 55% chance some one below us wins the lottery.
    If we are in #4 there is a 45.5% chance a team below us wins the lottery.
    If we are #5 there is a 37% Chance a team below us wins the lottery.

    it was explained by % and Position in an earlier Post.

    But this is curretn high low based performance. related to oilers.
    iT says #4-5 pick.

    Which means Hanifin; Marmer; Strome

    worst Case We finnish #5 and drop to #6.
    which Eliminates Mcdavid; Eichel; Hanifin; Marner; Strome.
    likley leads us to choosing Between Crouse and Zacha.

    Crouse age based NHL says 26-28 Even goals and 11-13 even Assists

  68. TheOtherJohn says:

    Ricki

    Pretty sure whoever pushed Musil/Moroz is probably advocating the Oilers selecting Lawson Crouse if we pick 4-5-6

  69. Big Dan says:

    These rumors are fun. Boyd Gordon leaving would kill me, but if a package can somehow parlay Sobotka our way… I am all over it. Sign that boy to a long-term $4M/year contract and watch him do all the little things right for years to come.

    I am not interested in Lehner. I am in the camp that Markstrom is just as good. But he had his chance in Florida and bombed. So I think there’s better options.

    I would love Craig Anderson and would pay dearly for him. Him and 2 good D get us into the playoff race. It’s amazing how Nelson has us in every game. Without Pouliot’s late penalty against Detroit and Nikitin/Schultz’s late spaz in Tampa and Ference’s late error against Florida, his record would be turning heads. He has proven that mediocre goaltending and weak defense can still have a .500 record if overcome by good coaching.

    Detroit won’t deal Petr Mrazek. They know what they have in him. He’s already just as good as Jimmy Howard. Just doesn’t have the playing time yet to prove it.

    I doubt Yzerman deals Vasilievsky. Bishop has been having injury problems. Yzerman doesn’t want to be derailed like he was in the playoffs last year. Vasilievsky may explode and then they either have two good goalies or they deal Bishop. But it’s good to have insurance…

    Here’s what I would do and what I think is the most likely. Karri Ramo. I ignore this year because of his backup status. He had only league average stats last year but after a slow start, he got better as the year went on. He stole games many nights. His vice was consistency; he had some off-nights too. But I was impressed. A lot of potential there and a track record in the NHL and the KHL as a #1.

    Ramo would cost us nothing as he’s UFA in the summer. I still believe in Scrivens as a quality (albeit overpaid) 1B backup the next couple of years. “Decent” tandem.

    We may even be able to acquire Ramo straight up for Fasth + sweetener this season. Neither goalie is in the other team’s plans. Calgary has Ortio slotted in next year so they have to pay Fasth’s fat contract for the rest of this year as insurance if Hiller gets hurt. This way, we could audition Ramo the rest of the year. If he’s good (like Derek Roy), extend him.

    PLUS, HE’S A FINN!

  70. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    re: Vasilevskiy

    What is the point of leveraging assets now to obtain Vasilevskiy (21 GP AHL, 2.45 GA, .916), when we already have Brossoit (22 GP AHL, 2.62 GA, .915)? Brossoit being one year older, and both listed a 6′ 3″, ~ 200 lbs.

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=155331

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=118258

  71. russ99 says:

    My concern on any deadline deals is even if Bob Green is overseeing things now, the same people who botched earlier deals and signings are are still in place and weighing in on the return from those deals.

    For reinforcement, go back and look at that imfamous episode of Oil Change with Tambellini and Morey Gare when the Oilers were trying to complete the Smithson deal. Hilarious ineptitude…

    Hopefully we have a thorough pro scouting cleanout before the draft.

    They can’t botch the expected Petry for a pick move, but if we’re making bigger deals with RFAs and/or core pieces, let’s wait until after the scouting department is fixed.

  72. Numenius says:

    oilersfan:
    so does anybody know if Hanifin gets drafted can he play in the ahl next year? thanks

    Yes, he can. If he came from the CHL he couldn’t, since he’d have to be 20 years old by Dec. 31 to play in the minors, but since he’ll come from NCAA, he’s not subject to that rule. The AHL takes anyone 18 yrs or older not from the CHL as of Sept. 15 of the given season.

    http://prospectsannex.blogspot.ca/2010/04/nhlchl-agreement-why-juniors-have-to-be.html

  73. rickithebear says:

    Young Golaies:
    Look for .915 Save% U22 in AHL
    Look for .922 Save % U20 in NCAA
    Mrazek .924 AHL
    Schnieder
    .930@19 NCAA
    .916 @ 21 AHL
    Gibson.
    .919 @ 20 AHL
    .932 @ 21 AHL
    Lehner
    .907 @ 20 AHL
    .938 @ 21 AHL
    when you look at AHL and Ncaa history these are good markers.

    Boissoit .915 @21 in AHL
    Nagelvoort .929 @19 NCAA
    These 2 prospects are compare well against the best young goalie prospects

    Do not roll them into a team till age 23.

  74. zatch says:

    So what does it take to lever Vasilevski out of Tampa? What should Edmonton be prepared to give up? The Pens 1st? Petry and a 2nd?

  75. rickithebear says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    Ricki

    Pretty sure whoever pushed Musil/Morozis probably advocating the Oilers selecting Lawson Crouse if we pick 4-5-6

    A kid that is generating 26 EVG 11 EVA NHLE with4 players that average .71PPG is carrying 4 players.

    Imagine crouse playing with Players who can recieve pass and convet.
    he ends up being a 25EVG 25 EVA power forward in NHL.

    25-25 group wingers with his size.
    Ladd
    Wheeler
    Benn
    Perry

  76. OilCanFan says:

    leadfarmer:
    rickithebear,

    We dont finish above Minnesota, Columbus, or Carolina.Toronto as bad as they have been still have a 14 point advantage in a much weaker division.Doubt we catch to them.Buffalo will be impossible to outtank and Arizona will be difficult to outtank.We are picking 3-4 depending on the lottery with MacDavid probably going to the desert.

    I think it is time to rest up the “injured” Hall, Schultz, Eberle and Gordon. They should go on IR for at least a week or two and then need to go down to AHL for “conditioning” purposes. Then Nikitin needs to be playing at least 25 minutes a game with Ference and the “wagon line” playing about the same too with Gazdic as the center. Lets see those dang desert dogs get first pick….

  77. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: If they are paying the biggest price, then why not? I have no quarrel with trading inside the division and Calgary isn’t Edmonton’s competition until the Oilers are better.

    True, but I wonder what the reaction might be from those fans/media who still believe Petry “isn’t that good”. If he were to go to Calgary and find success there playing behind a true top-pairing D would they change their tune?

    I use Calgary for several reasons: roster need, standings position, recent trade history, and emotional impact.

    For instance, let’s say Treliving offers MacTavish a 2nd rounder, same as Holland. MacTavish knows the Calgary 2nd rounder is going to be earlier than the Detroit one, so he makes the deal.

    Petry has a good post-season and re-signs in Calgary. Puts up solid numbers and the Flames have a good start to next season.

    Then does MacTavish look at those people within the organization (perhaps himself included) who recommended not signing Petry and ask them what they didn’t see that others did?

    If the organization is really that filled with Old Boys Club members who fought the BoA, would the Flames’ capitalizing on a player they let slip through their fingers be enough to knock some sense into them?

    I’m not sure, but I think it is enough of a possibility that we could mull over it’s implications.

  78. LMHF#1 says:

    Auston Matthews ’16:
    re: Vasilevskiy

    What is the point of leveraging assets now to obtain Vasilevskiy (21 GP AHL, 2.45 GA, .916), when we already have Brossoit (22 GP AHL, 2.62 GA, .915)? Brossoit being one year older, and both listed a 6′ 3″, ~ 200 lbs.

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=155331

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=118258

    1. I advocate it because I’ve never liked Brossoit as a prospect and am of the belief that it is OKC’s D that is giving him (and Bachman) great numbers.

    2. Never hurts to have two guys who could become starters, in fact, the best teams seem to be doing it.

  79. godot10 says:

    1) Fasth and Scrivens may be fixed in another month. If so, a new 2-year deal for moderate dollars is much better than overpaying for Niemi. You shouldn’t rush to judgement on players until they have been de-Eakinized.

    2) Gordon is too expensive for St. Louis and they don’t need him. They are loaded at centre. They could use Petry though, because his is way better than Butler and Cole, and Jackman is getting old. Petry for the rights to Sobotka and a conditional 3rd round pick, and becomes a 2nd if they make the Stanley Cup finals, or something like that. I would still prefer to sign Petry to 5 x $5.5 million. The Oilers should be able to create a bidding war for Petry between Chicago, St. Louis, San Jose, and LA. Maybe even Anaheim.

    3) I don’t see the point of Lehner, when Vancouver will only be able to keep one of Lack or Markstrom.

  80. godot10 says:

    Happy 50th Birthday, Diane Lane!

  81. godot10 says:

    Yzerman isn’t trading his future #1 goaltender. He is building for today AND tomorrow. He can walk and chew gum at the same time.

  82. Bad Seed says:

    Here’s something to think about – with the dollar hovering around 80 cents for an extended time, maybe MacT will be ordered to shed salary. Maybe Katz takes a look at these bad contracts with that exchange of close to 25% currently and advises management that they better be a little more fiscally responsible?

  83. Truth says:

    godot10:
    Yzerman isn’t trading his future #1 goaltender.He is building for today AND tomorrow.He can walk and chew gum at the same time.

    If anything I think Bishop becomes available within a couple of years, prior to going UFA. If they were absolutely forced to trade one immediately I would bet it’s Bishop as well. He’d going to be looking for big money in his next deal (2 years) and the Lightning will be running into cap issues soon. I think this was mentioned by someone in the media recently. I forget who it was.

  84. Truth says:

    Bad Seed:
    Here’s something to think about – with the dollar hovering around 80 cents for an extended time, maybe MacT will be ordered to shed salary.Maybe Katz takes a look at these bad contracts with that exchange of close to 25% currently and advises management that they better be a little more fiscally responsible?

    Don’t know how that would turn out in Edmonton. Katz already has enough doubters (many non-hockey fans) due to his arena dealings. If he starts going all Eugene Melnyk (sp?) he might have some more serious PR issues. Also, Edmonton has to pay such a premium for players to play there they should almost be allowed a higher cap than the rest of the league. No reason for Katz to not be at the cap every year.

  85. zatch says:

    rickithebear,

    On this and the goalie analysis, I’m not buying what you are selling. For the goalies, the comparables were not actually at all that close, and Nagelvoort has taken a huge step back this year. It’s really hard to tell with sample-size either way anyway what he really is.

    For Crouse, you’re making several leaps of faith here. I personally think his ceiling is 25-25, but that is his ceiling, and not one he is certain to hit at all. You are making excuses for why his totals are so low, and he is still getting those by using size that is much less impressive in the NHL.

    Make no mistake, I think he’s better than a 3rd round prospect, but especially in this draft, I’m not taking what amounts to solid 2nd liner in the top 10. I’d be hesitant to take him before 15.

  86. jbfuzz says:

    godot10,

    2) Gordon is too expensive for St. Louis and they don’t need him.They are loaded at centre.They could use Petry though, because his is way better than Butler and Cole, and Jackman is getting old. Petry for the rights to Sobotka and a conditional 3rd round pick, and becomes a 2nd if they make the Stanley Cup finals, or something like that.I would still prefer to sign Petry to 5 x $5.5 million.The Oilers should be able to create a bidding war for Petry between Chicago, St. Louis, San Jose, and LA.Maybe even Anaheim.

    I have a feeling they would upgrade the 4th spot where Ott and Lapierre have been taking most of the draws. Gordon would be an upgrade, they’d move a non-roster piece they seemed unable to find a contract middle ground with, and they could move Lapierre easily enough (to say NYR) to clear up space. This is just me spitballing, but this is a St. Louis team that traded for Miller when they seemed to be in good shape at G and Gordon is a significant upgrade over what they have at that spot. 1 year left means no long-term committment.

    Agreed on Petry. I could see that deal if St. Louis can manage the cap space.

  87. Lowetide says:

    Test.

  88. Pouzar says:

    Hope_Smoke ‏@Hope_Smoke 4h4 hours ago
    Ferraro “they [Edmonton] signed J.Shultz to a silly 1 year contract. He doesn’t look like he’s able to defend anything now”

    Hope_Smoke ‏@Hope_Smoke 4h4 hours ago
    Ferraro “if you’re Schultz, a UFA this summer, can say ok we’ll start at 3 years $12 million & then what? The Oilers have set the precedent”

  89. Lowetide says:

    Pouzar:
    Hope_Smoke ‏@Hope_Smoke4h4 hours ago
    Ferraro “they [Edmonton] signed J.Shultz to a silly 1 year contract. He doesn’t look like he’s able to defend anything now”

    Hope_Smoke ‏@Hope_Smoke4h4 hours ago
    Ferraro “if you’re Schultz, a UFA this summer, can say ok we’ll start at 3 years $12 million & then what? The Oilers have set the precedent”

    Justin Schultz is a UFA? I don’t think that’s correct and if it is, that’s news.

  90. Pouzar says:

    Lowetide: Justin Schultz is a UFA? I don’t think that’s correct and if it is, that’s news.

    Thank you. I didn’t want to ask about that. 🙂

  91. rickithebear says:

    zatch: Make no mistake, I think he’s better than a 3rd round prospect, but especially in this draft, I’m not taking what amounts to solid 2nd liner in the top 10. I’d be hesitant to take him before 15.

    Goals are about The players targeting and Release.

    Assist are about the players you are feeding.

    Example:
    Getzlaf
    First 2 years .42 APG
    05-06
    #1C Mcdonald 51A 68G from W 51/68 .75%
    #2 C Getzlaf 25A 32 G from W 25/32 .78%

    06-07
    #1C Mcdonald 51A 73G from W 51/73 72%
    #2C Getzlaf 33A 46G from W 33/46 72%

    rest of career .74 APG
    Penner-Kunitz versus Perry Ryan

    Crouse recieves from the Polesello-Lammiko Pair
    Crouse feeds Schutt – Vebeek Pair
    11 EVG 64%

    This is a standard check of quality of Scorers Fed.
    Ie> World Class Shooter
    Set up 64% of goals is not bad At even

  92. PhrankLee says:

    Lowetide: Justin Schultz is a UFA? I don’t think that’s correct and if it is, that’s news.

    I found this remarkably deft of MacT given his verbiage. He can at least match the guy if they want to keep him. In the meantime I think the mandate would have been for 19 to prove he can play NHL hockey.

    So far he is his own worst enemy for big money contracts in the immediate future.

  93. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide:
    Test.

    1-2-3…

  94. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: Justin Schultz is a UFA? I don’t think that’s correct and if it is, that’s news.

    Ferraro is confusing Petry and Schultz, I think.

    If I understand things correctly (and I probably don’t) the team can take Schultz to arbitration this summer.

    That would be interesting.

    I would give anything to hear who Schultz’s agent would use as comparables if that were to pass.

    The Oilers could counter with Michael Del Zotto as a better defensive player signed at $1.3 million.

  95. Melman says:

    russ99,

    Gare has 9 lives – he was gushing in the Oil Change episode when they picked up Eager and Hordichuk

  96. Melman says:

    jbfuzz,

    Petry (since they are stupidly trading him away) for a 3rd and the rights to Sobotka would be making lemonade

  97. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    RexLibris: I would give anything to hear who Schultz’s agent would use as comparables if that were to pass.

    Jake Gardiner?

    2014-15 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 45 2 9 11 10 -19

    Dang – Jultz is only -8 for the year?

    2014-15 Edmonton Oilers NHL 46 3 16 19 6 -8

  98. RexLibris says:

    Auston Matthews '16: Jake Gardiner?

    2014-15Toronto Maple LeafsNHL45291110-19

    Dang – Jultz is only -8 for the year?

    2014-15Edmonton OilersNHL46316196-8

    Ugh. That would actually be a raise for Schultz.

  99. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    RexLibris: Ugh. That would actually be a raise for Schultz.

    With capgeek gone, I don’t know where to look for salaries, but Gardiner’s 11 points in 45 games, and a -19, would get Jultz a raise?

    Edit: In other words, I didn’t think Gardiner was making that much.

  100. Lowetide says:

    Auston Matthews '16: With capgeek gone, I don’t know where to look for salaries, but Gardiner’s 11 points in 45 games, and a -19, would get Jultz a raise?

    Edit: In other words, I didn’t think Gardiner was making that much.

    http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams/TOR?year=2015

    4 bills

  101. spoiler says:

    Auston Matthews '16: With capgeek gone, I don’t know where to look for salaries, but Gardiner’s 11 points in 45 games, and a -19, would get Jultz a raise?

    Edit: In other words, I didn’t think Gardiner was making that much.

    $4.05M per yr.

    Here you go:

    http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams/TOR?year=2015

    Doesn’t have all the fancy doo-dads Capgeek had, but at least you can look up a salary.

  102. spoiler says:

    Lowetide:
    Test.

    I can just hear my Mum’s voice… “What did you break this time?” lol

    All the elements look fine on my laptop.

  103. jimmers2 says:

    RexLibris,

    RexLibris,

    MacT might just realize the value in MC79 on the payroll as he tries to that -8 into perspective! But if perspective is needed, surely some video is enough, There is no shortage of damning visuals to be had. Can the player’s agent argue that he has earned or is up to the task of ~20 min/game, or that he is even learning how to play his own end?

    One would guess that MacT is in a strong position to push for a value contract if he wishes to renew. IT will be interesting to see if management moves to lock Schultz into a long term deal or leaves the door open for a change of plans.

  104. Cameron says:

    RexLibris:

    Petry playing in the post-season in Flames’ colours. Would that be enough to shake a little humility into Oilers brass?

    If 8-1 didn’t stamp some humility into the Oilers brass, I don’t think watching Petry wearing Flames silks in the playoffs will. MacT will just wrap himself in another soundproof 1st OV blanket and ignore Petry the way well-developed blondes ignore acne-riddled teen at a Jr high dance.

    I also don’t think Calgary will part with a 2nd for Petry unless the deal is structured such that it becomes a 2nd when/if Petry signs an extension.

    If Calgary can land an extended Petry for just a 2nd, I would do it. He’s the right; age, skillset, and price, and he fits neatly into a hole on the Flames roster. He’s perfect for the Flames rebuild. For any rebuild really, except the one he is already a part of.

  105. Cameron says:

    RexLibris,

    I don’t thinl MacT trades Petry because he is looking to make a hockey trade and Petry is the right asset to move out, I think Mac T trades Petry because he knows (from Petry) that Petry doesn’t want to be an Oiler anymore and won’t be re-signing no matter what.

    I would think under those circumstances Mac T would invest exactly zero thought in to how Petry performs once he is off the Oilers.

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