RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK

In the last several days, media reports (most recent: Bruce Garrioch) have the Oilers shying away from a major deal involving one of their major pieces at the deadline. As we’ve discussed in the past, the forensics department has me nervous about who they’re going to blame for the mess and target as the goat. Whatever else we know to be true, identifying Taylor Hall as the problem is absolutely insane.

hall careerTaylor Hall has been an extremely productive player since arriving from the Windsor Spitfires and as this chart (from hockey-reference) tells us there are only two players in the same age range who have delivered more per game since 2010. What’s more, through most of those seasons Hall has been pushing the river, a human chance machine, and his two teammates also reside on this list—credit for which, I think, should at least partly go to Hall.

HALL’S NUMBERS

PLAYER 5X5/60 CORSI % SOG/G PTS/G SHOOT%
2010-11 1.78 48.9 2.86 0.65 11.8
2011-12 2.07 52.2 3.39 0.87 13.0
2012-13 3.15 50.3 3.42 1.11 10.4
2013-14 2.91 44.4 3.33 1.07 10.8
2014-15 1.93 51.1 3.00 0.71 8.9

I like looking at these numbers across seasons because if we add age (Hall should be entering his offensive prime) then several of the 2014-15 numbers are a concern. Specifically, his 5×5/60—that’s Hall’s strength, the thing that makes him golden—is at its lowest since he was a rookie. His shots-per-game is also down, but not so much we should run naked in the streets and his points-per-game is also down significantly.

Hall’s shooting percentage is part of it, he’s off by quite a bit (if he had last year’s shooting %, Hall would have two more goals this season). I also think, and mentioned in our last look, that the Oilers seem to be dumping and chasing more now than in previous times. I went back and watched the Montreal game from October 27 and saw more puck possession zone entry (although I didn’t count it) and a faster train in Hall.

Which brings us to injury. Hall missed several November games and by his own admission came back to soon. Let’s see what that looks like.

HALL PRE AND POST KNEE INJURY

  • Boxcars before injury: 11gp, 6-4-10 (.909)
  • Boxcars after injury: 30gp, 5-14-19 (.633)
  • Shooting Percentage before injury: 16.67 (6 goals on 36 shots)
  • Shooting Percentage after injury:  5.7 (5 goals on 87 shots)

We can see that post-injury Hall is a completely different player and that is absolutely impacting the team. Edmonton enjoyed a four game winning streak just before Hall went down and seemed to be finding the range a little (save the goalies).

  • October 31 (night before injury) Won-Loss Recod: 4-5-1
  • Since Injury: 8-21-8

UNDER NELSON

  • Last 11 games (Nelson solo coach): 11gp, 1-7-8 (.727)
  • Previous games: 30gp, 10-11-21 (.700)

Not a big difference but that lack of goal scoring is a mighty big deal. Hall under Nelson solo has 28 shots—2.54 per game—and that is down from earlier in the season. His line is getting chances and appears to be heading in a good direction, but Hall’s shooting percentage under Nelson (1 goal on 28 shots, 3.57%) is very poor. History tells us that will change and with guys like Hall we usually see a turn about the time we notice the trend.

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FORENSICS

Like The Bible or my Dad’s ability to tune cars by ear (I swear he could) on that driveway in Whonnock, BC in 1965, forensics (to my knowledge) is open to interpretation. If the Oilers brass is looking at the numbers above during their forensics, surely they’ll come to the conclusion Taylor Hall is part of the solution and not the problem. Maybe they’ll conclude the organization’s antiquated approach to return from injury is a major problem and that will change.

I’m just not confident in the men handling these forensics. What would Bob Nicholson be looking for? Would he be as able as, say, Ken Holland or Craig Patrick to identify what best practices look like in a quality NHL organization?

HALL’S INJURY HISTORY

  1. March 5, 2011—suffers ankle injury and misses the remainder of the season.
  2. November 2011—left shoulder injury, misses 7 games.
  3. January 2012—head injury, misses two games.
  4. March 18, 2012—concussion, misses the remainder of the season.
  5. March 2013—hamstring injury, misses one game.
  6. November 2013—left knee injury, misses 7 games.
  7. November 3, 2014—sprained mcl (right knee), misses 6 games.

WHAT’S WRONG WITH TAYLOR HALL

Hall should be pushing to new heights, and this should be the No. 1 concern for the Edmonton Oilers. Their best offensive player, their chance machine, isn’t delivering at previous levels. He isn’t 40 (Hall just turned 23) and he should be posting better numbers this season. The rasons for the downturn:

  1. In early November, Hall suffered a sprained medial collateral ligament in his right knee. Source
  2. He returned too early, by his  own admission.
  3. I believe he is now wearing braces on both knees.
  4. The opposition SP is very good when he’s on the ice currently.
  5. Hall’s shooting percentage is below average
  6. 10% of his EV ice time this year was spent with Tyler Pitlick as his RW.
  7. By eye, he and his line seem to be dumping the puck in a significant amount this year.

I have a bad feeling the forensics are going to identify ‘culture’ and ‘effort’ and ‘chemistry’ and talk about ‘the room’ and ‘the makeup’ and that’s a very dangerous place for the Edmonton Oilers. I’ve said this before and will say it again: Don’t worry about Taylor Hall, he’ll be fine. If they trade him, Hall will flourish. If they keep him, he’ll flourish too.

Worry about the Edmonton Oilers. I very much fear nothing will be solved in this forensics review because they are (in the words of Indiana Jones) looking in the wrong place.

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106 Responses to "RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK"

  1. frjohnk says:

    If one of the reasons they are thinking of trading Hall is because of his knees and the possibility that they wont last, they should know there was another team a few years back who traded a player because one of the concerns were his knees.

    http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/12143736/nhl-how-teemu-selanne-got-traded-winnipeg-jets-anaheim-ducks

  2. Zangetsu says:

    Hall is entering the age when the oilers typically flush young players. I don’t know why, but it is a thing. Managment has always been wonky. They would never trade a player if he is playing well. When he is down on his luck the sane player they were loyal to is expendable. See perron. How many good nhlers have we traded away for nothing after development?

    I fully expect a hall deal, because thats what we do.

  3. gameofstyle says:

    LT, love your work and I wish I had more time to post! I am not a Bob Nicholson expert, but is there any evidence in his resume, any at all, that he is capable of making major roster decisions for an NHL team?

    In regards to Hall’s shot rate being down, he seems to be missing the net more this year than in the past few seasons. I could be wrong here, as I watch games from the UK the following morning and generally don’t have a lot of time to breakdown the game but every game there seems to be 2-3 fast-rising Hall shots that miss and rattle off the glass. Does anyone see the same thing?

  4. oliveoilers says:

    While Hall is clearly not the problem, I worry that the Oiler’s answer is to stand pat, or make minor roster changes. There needs to be a new dynamic, a catalyst, that can make the team greater than the sum of it’s parts. Hall and Nuge have been very good, Eberle good too, but it hasn’t been enough. Call it supporting cast, call it whatever. But the fact has to be faced that while they are very good young players, we cannot also project our hopes that they are also great leaders and the one to lead us to the promised land. This is why tanking for another 18 year old is asinine when you really think about it. It may be that Hall & Co start maturing mentally, and one of them may be that player that grabs the others by the scruff of the neck and says “this way, boys!” Just not this season,

    What I’m trying to say is that none of them is that player this season, so why hope that they will be next season? This isn’t a knock of them, but surely it would be better to plan and trade for a very good player who also has the qualities we’re looking for, and if one of the core turns into that player, then Music!

    I’ve said it before, this team loves square pegs into round holes and making huge bets with no contingency plans.

    Some say that we have players that ‘cheat’ for offense. I think that we have a management that ‘cheats’ for success.

  5. oliveoilers says:

    On the Forensic Audit:

    Have we any evidence that this is nothing else other than lip service? We have a management group not exactly known for their humility. Feeling pressure from the fans and MSM but still think you’re right? Have a witch hunt, or at least the appearance of one. An political invention conceived a micro-second after politics was invented!

    Smoke and mirrors.

  6. Lowetide says:

    oliveoilers:
    On the Forensic Audit:

    Have we any evidence that this is nothing else other than lip service?We have a management group not exactly known for their humility.Feeling pressure from the fans and MSM but still think you’re right?Have a witch hunt, or at least the appearance of one.An political invention conceived a micro-second after politics was invented!

    Smoke and mirrors.

    The Bob Green elevation came (I believe) out of the forensics. I like the move, but they didn’t interview anyone and surely that’s a tell nothing is really changing.

  7. GCW_69 says:

    I love that they are calling this a forensic audit.

    DEFINITION of ‘Forensic Audit’ An examination and evaluation of a firm’s or individual’s financial information for use as evidence in court. A forensic audit can be conducted in order to prosecute a party for fraud, embezzlement or other financial claims.

    Oilers management had been a fraud for years. Let’s hope they find the evidence to lock them all up for a long time.

  8. flyfish1168 says:

    Taylor maybe 23 years old. But with the injuries it has aged his body unfortunately. This will slow his body down. Combined this with our losing culture this has to wear on someone that is so use to winning. I hope next year we can start winning.

  9. oliveoilers says:

    Lowetide: The Bob Green elevation came (I believe) out of the forensics. I like the move, but they didn’t interview anyone and surely that’s a tell nothing is really changing.

    My thoughts exactly. A good system has to be continuously evaluated and in a perfect world, just small adjustments made to compensate for minor fluctuations of circumstances. It is never ‘stay the course’. The direction may be the same, but there is more than one way of getting there.

    That the Oilers are heading down the Kangaroo Court road leads me to believe that they do not possess a feasible, adaptable plan for progress. We’re on a rail-road.

  10. book¡je says:

    I’ve compleated my audit. I’ve found that the team lacks compete. They are too small. Not enough grit. And they are totally void of clutch. They need guys who know how to win, who are good in the room. Guys who take pride in being an Oiler, who know what it means to be an Oiler; Oilerlike; Oilerish!

    Kevin Lowe and Craig McTavish need to clear out the rot!

  11. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    This is strictly an eye test thing, but Hall took more than a few big hits around the offensive blue line this year. Defenders like Hamhuis and others have correctly targeted Hall’s outside/along the boards zone entry as a spot. He took some punishing hits there this year, and of late he has shied away from attacking that area (lacking his usual explosive speed may be part of it). So he has dumped the puck in more on his zone entries.

    That was a big part of his zone entries before, speed to burn along the boards. So it will be interesting to see how he adjusts. NHL defenders did to him, now he needs to figure out another way.

  12. flyfish1168 says:

    GCW_69:
    I love that they are calling this a forensic audit.

    DEFINITION of ‘Forensic Audit’ An examination and evaluation of a firm’s or individual’s financial information for use as evidence in court. A forensic audit can be conducted in order to prosecute a party for fraud, embezzlement or other financial claims.

    Oilers management had been a fraud for years.Let’s hope they find the evidence to lock them all up for a long time.

    Katz should have hired a 3rd party to do this. Then the possibility of bias is less.

  13. flyfish1168 says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    This is strictly an eye test thing, but Hall took more than a few big hits around the offensive blue line this year. Defenders like Hamhuis and others have correctly targeted Hall’s outside/along the boards zone entry as a spot. He took some punishing hits there this year, and of late he has shied away from attacking that area (lacking his usual explosive speedmay be part of it). So he has dumped the puck in more on his zone entries.

    That was a big part of his zone entries before, speed to burn along the boards. So it will be interesting to see how he adjusts. NHL defenders did to him, now he needs to figure out another way.

    I so agree with you. I mentioned this a while back that he needs a new move. the separation in speed and awareness by players in the NHL is way higher. Taylor got away with it back in junior. I got blasted by some people on site for your exact comment.

  14. Henry says:

    For this forensic audit a microscope is not necessary. Taylor Hall’s play increases the chances that the Oilers will win. He gives the puck away occasionally. He also rips through good defensemen on the rush and on the boards. He’s fine.

    The Edmonton Oilers are bad for three principal reasons:
    1) Since Lowe left the GM spot they consistently remove above average defensemen and replace them with below average defensemen.
    2) They haven’t identified a goaltender that is above average consistently year over year since Lowe took over and CuJo left.
    3) They have an appalling coaching carousel that has obviously hurt the development, confidence and mood of their best players.

    Management may not be stupid, but it has to change its way. Taylor Hall isn’t the problem and trading him will only contribute to the malaise. That should be in the first paragraph of the forensic report.

  15. Rondo says:

    Every time Taylor Hall is on the ice he opens up space for other players. Since every team keys on him there is more space for his line mates.

  16. supernova says:

    The only way you trade Hall is for a equal or better player at a key position. In as close to a 1 for 1 deal as possible. Not a package of players for Hall. Hall and others for a better player maybe.

    Center, D, Goalie

    This list has to be short.

    Would I trade Hall for say Carey Price?

    Yes, would Montreal? No.

    I say we make a list of players that are better around the league at those positions and then we can see possibilities.

  17. Rondo says:

    supernova,

    You will never get equal or better player for Hall. The only way to trade for a better player is trade for a player with potential ex Barkov or Drouin .

  18. Woodguy says:

    I wonder if the forensic audit will point out that the Oilers only have 2Dmen who start on most NHL teams, and they are about to send one of them out the door?

    I wonder if the forensic audit will look at the Oilers’ awful D and decent-good forwards and then at COL’s awful D and decent-good forwards and have the light go on that you need 6 Actual NHL Dmen on the bench for every game or else the talented kids can’t win?

  19. Unicorns says:

    I think it’s a sign of the problems that they want to go on a witchhunt when really the problems are a few things:

    Is it the scouts or just poor decision making by the deciderers. I have noticed poking around the web for example quite a few BCJHL guys doing really well and that leads the Oilers to copycat instead of look for guys they come across and truly see as outliers. There is a subtle but important difference there.

    The on ice performance is a direct result of not acquiring competent pro help. When they fluke a good one it makes an immediate difference. I am sure every other decent team sees them sign players and laugh or get mad because they see it as tanking instead of incompetence.

    Flushing capable players for sideburns before they have his capable replacement.

    Turning on players because they aren’t perfect. They Oilers carry passengers that rely on the better guys instead of getting players to support the talent. Hall needs a physical RW or C so he isn’t the heavy on his line for example. He is not that big and any sane team doesn’t want the skill banging – because injuries. Especially him.

  20. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy:
    I wonder if the forensic audit will point out that the Oilers only have 2Dmen who start on most NHL teams, and they are about to send one of them out the door?

    I wonder if the forensic audit will look at the Oilers’ awful D and decent-good forwards and then at COL’s awful D and decent-good forwards and have the light go on that you need 6 Actual NHL Dmen on the bench for every game or else the talented kids can’t win?

    It’s all that needs to be said about this team. 100% in agreement. We get sweet F-all from our D corps.

  21. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy:
    I wonder if the forensic audit will point out that the Oilers only have 2Dmen who start on most NHL teams, and they are about to send one of them out the door?

    I wonder if the forensic audit will look at the Oilers’ awful D and decent-good forwards and then at COL’s awful D and decent-good forwards and have the light go on that you need 6 Actual NHL Dmen on the bench for every game or else the talented kids can’t win?

    Avs only 3 points out of the 8th spot that Calgary *spits* holds right now
    Colorado has two veterans leading in scoring.
    Their young players are struggling not unlike some of ours
    2 better goalies than us
    Their 2 best D men are better than ours
    But the other D are worse than ours.

    Stuart is so bad that Ference is closer to Duncan Keith than Stuart is to Ference at many of the D metrics. Holy crap

  22. supernova says:

    Rondo:
    supernova,

    You will never get equal or better player for Hall. The only way to trade for a better player is trade for a player with potential ex Barkov or Drouin .

    Rondo,

    it is extremely difficult but also think it can be done.
    Oilers have Hall at a excellent contract value and that means a lot.

    They might get a equal player but with less contract certaintity

  23. Lowetide says:

    supernova: Rondo,

    it is extremely difficult but also think it can be done.
    Oilers have Hall at a excellent contract value and that means a lot.

    They might get a equal player but with less contract certaintity

    I think there needs to be a reason to trade Hall in order to contemplate trading him, and I haven’t seen anything that warrants it. Trading a major part of your youth movement because is absolutely insane.

  24. russ99 says:

    Forensic audit, lol!

    If anything, it will be some of Lowe’s old boys shuffled for some of Nicholson’s old boys and they’ll sacrifice a bigger name for show.

    Wish that was Lowe, but it will probably be Stu.

    As for the team, there’s a huge worry that the idiots running the show will do something drastic as a show of strength before what little rot is cleaned out of the org.

    I do think we need to change things up (for me that would be Ebs plus for a #1D) but what the team needs most
    is a few quality veterans to help lift the load and for
    mentorship, akin to what the Hawks did by bringing in Hossa.

    Plus look around the league, what other teams throw their kids to the wolves with so little veteran talent as we do?

  25. book¡je says:

    Woodguy:
    I wonder if the forensic audit will point out that the Oilers only have 2Dmen who start on most NHL teams, and they are about to send one of them out the door?

    I wonder if the forensic audit will look at the Oilers’ awful D and decent-good forwards and then at COL’s awful D and decent-good forwards and have the light go on that you need 6 Actual NHL Dmen on the bench for every game or else the talented kids can’t win?

    No , it won’t.

  26. RexLibris says:

    Some more information about Sportvision and the NHL.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl-sportvision-attempt-revolutionary-new-method-of-data-collection-1.191320

    Tracking chips in player jerseys and the puck.

    I remember proposing this ten years ago when I first started working with RFID chips. Easy to track and can be programmed with individual identifiers and tracked with (at that time) relatively good accuracy.

    A single chip in the puck would solve your “did the puck cross the line or is it hidden beneath a goalie” review questions.

    It’d be pretty funny if just as the league begins an all-out stats revolution the Oilers were to fire Dellow and go back to doing things the old-fashioned way.

  27. RexLibris says:

    Also, I’m now a fan of Voracek: Breakaway challenge: Ryan Johansen stole the show by bringing out 7-year-old Cole Vogt, son of Columbus Blue Jackets trainer Mike Vogt, to help him score and by getting teammates to do the Flying V from the “Mighty Ducks” movies. Jakub Voracek of the Philadelphia Flyers followed that by bringing out 21-year-old Johnny Gaudreau of the Calgary Flames to help him.

  28. RexLibris says:

    No mention of Jeff Petry in this Detroit trade talk, but the other names, and the Red Wings’ assets listed, are interesting: The Red Wings, meanwhile, are another team that appear to be looking for blue line help.

    Helene St. James of the Detroit Free Press writes that the team’s prospect ranks are not going to provide any solutions in the immediate future, which could force the team to look at making a deal.

    She, too, makes mention of Franson as well as the Capitals’ Mike Green, Buffalo’s Tyler Myers and Carolina D-man Justin Faulk. However, the cost to the Wings for that group could be steep, St. James speculating that “teams will want either Tomas Tatar or Gustav Nyquist or Anthony Mantha or Dylan Larkin, plus a higher-round draft pick.”

    http://www.tsn.ca/countdown-to-tradecentre-stars-eyeing-leafs-d-1.191388

    If MacTavish were able to acquire Tatar for Petry that would be an interpretation of a 2nd round pick that I think I could live with.

  29. Hammers says:

    I’m just not sure why you keep worrying about Hall . I don’t care who is doing the forensics things like an injury this year will be taken into account . That doesn’t or shouldn’t mean he or anyone else can’t be traded .

  30. Lowetide says:

    Hammers:
    I’m just not sure why you keep worrying about Hall . I don’t care who is doing the forensics things like an injury this year will be taken into account . That doesn’t or shouldn’t mean he or anyone else can’t be traded .

    That isn’t what I’m saying. I’m saying when a forensics group starts its work, and a little later Bob McKenzie says “the Oilers aren’t saying no to Hall advances from NHL teams” that may be a tell about where the forensics is heading.

    I worry about Hall because the Oilers management does not have my trust.

  31. RexLibris says:

    So is this the game where Nugent-Hopkins injures his shoulder and goes for surgery to finish his season?

    I had to look it up, but it was all the way back in 2008 that Horcoff threw his shoulder out in Atlanta.

    It seems simultaneously yesterday and an eternity ago.

  32. John Chambers says:

    Lowetide,

    Really it’s not a terrible thing to learn the extent to which other teams covet Hall, if for no other reason than to properly calibrate his worth to your own team.

    Apparently, as The Score reports, the Oilers have been trying to trade Petry for months, which is probably true but also bizarre because the assumption around the LoweTide blog is that Philly and Detroit, LA, and others would be keen to acquire him, but the big implication is that perhaps other teams really don’t think he’s much of an upgrade on Nik Grossman or Jon Eriksson or whoever.

  33. Auston Matthews '16 says:
  34. Lowetide says:

    John Chambers:
    Lowetide,

    Really it’s not a terrible thing to learn the extent to which other teams covet Hall, if for no other reason than to properly calibrate his worth to your own team.

    Apparently, as The Score reports, the Oilers have been trying to trade Petry for months, which is probably true but also bizarre because the assumption around the LoweTide blog is that Philly and Detroit, LA, and others would be keen to acquire him, but the big implication is that perhaps other teams really don’t think he’s much of an upgrade on Nik Grossman or Jon Eriksson or whoever.

    Sure, and if I trusted these guys it might be welcome. I am NOT at all convinced the Edmonton Oilers are going to do good things this summer.

  35. Hammers says:

    Lowetide: The Bob Green elevation came (I believe) out of the forensics. I like the move, but they didn’t interview anyone and surely that’s a tell nothing is really changing.

    Many companies promote from within ,Nelson , Green and that may come from Katz and how he runs Rexall . Many new employees can come from outside if it’s a position that is new Nicholson so like always for me it starts with the owner of the company and that’s what the Oilers are a company .

  36. Bag of Pucks says:

    If the Oilers are trying to trade Hall, I would think it can’t be anything to do with his on ice production which is stellar. It has to be related to concerns/rumours/innuendo about his leadership qualities or lack thereof in the dressing room.

    The fact that mgmt is still obsessing about these ‘intangibles’ rather than the tangible issues with this team is worrisome. But as mentioned, promoting Green without a legitimate review/external interview process shows it’s the same old same ol in Kingsway.

    The only players you trade Hall for are a dominant 1C outscorer with size (e.g. Kopitar) or a legitimate potential 1D on a reasonable contract (e.g. Seth Jones) to form your longtime shutdown pairing alongside Nurse.

    Can’t see any GM in the league making that type of trade for Hall at this time.

  37. Lowetide says:

    Hammers: Many companies promote from within ,Nelson , Green and that may come from Katz and how he runsRexall. Many new employees can come from outside if it’s a position that is new Nicholson so like always for me it starts with the owner of the company and that’s what the Oilers are a company .

    Exactly. And a company develops a past. Katz’ hockey past is basically the Oakland Seals. So, keep doing what you’re doing? I don’t think that’s a good idea.

  38. Woodguy says:

    frjohnk: Avs only 3 points out of the 8th spotthat Calgary *spits* holds right now
    Colorado has two veterans leading in scoring.
    Their young players are struggling not unlike some of ours
    2 better goalies than us
    Their 2 best D men are better than ours
    But the other D are worse than ours.

    Stuart is so bad that Ference is closer to Duncan Keith than Stuart is to Ference at many of the D metrics.Holy crap

    The best teams have 6 solid NHL Dmen.

    NAS, NYI, PIT (when healthy), TBY, STL.

    CHI’s missing Leddy and Oduya is having a rough year.

    LAK is feeling the loss of Voynov.

    Oilers are miles and miles away from being that good and their best is on the way out because he doesn’t fit their mould on what they think a good Dman is.

    Next year might be worse than this one unless they add a ton of D.

  39. Woodguy says:

    John Chambers:
    Lowetide,

    Really it’s not a terrible thing to learn the extent to which other teams covet Hall, if for no other reason than to properly calibrate his worth to your own team.

    Apparently, as The Score reports, the Oilers have been trying to trade Petry for months, which is probably true but also bizarre because the assumption around the LoweTide blog is that Philly and Detroit, LA, and others would be keen to acquire him, but the big implication is that perhaps other teams really don’t think he’s much of an upgrade on Nik Grossman or Jon Eriksson or whoever.

    That’s a strange interpretation.

    It makes more sense that the price is high and teams don’t usually pay high prices with the deadline months away unless they have big injury issues.

  40. smellyglove says:

    Hope the website move went well, LT. Next step: a responsive WordPress theme that works well on browsers :).

    Forensic audit? From the inside? That never works. Like another poster said, you need to hire a third party to do it. You could argue that Bob is running the show, but who’s to say that he isn’t subject to the internal politics that have kept Lowe/Howsen/MacT safe for all of these years? If he’s on top, it could be in title only… I’ve seen that happen a few times in my own career. Or he knows the trifecta is golden (in Katz’s eyes), even if it is unsaid, and finds a few scapegoats in tier 2 or 3 of management to blame/fire.

    Really, who else can they scrape out before they start running out of excuses?

    Would it kill this group to look to the outside for once?

  41. Lowetide says:

    smellyglove:
    Hope the website move went well, LT. Next step: a responsive WordPress theme that works well on browsers :).

    I actually haven’t moved it over yet, we’re having issues and I don’t want to move it until figuring out what the heck is going on. It’s in compose area so hopefully a long phonecall today or tomorrow will allow the move. 🙂

  42. Hammers says:

    As for Hall or Nuge or any top player on our team I just can’t say his not available until I would know what’s being offered for that particular player . What would anyone say if it’s Malkin for the Nuge straight up. We have 1 player with a No trade Ference and that is a good reason not to offer them .in my opinion . Players are assets like it or not and you should always be prepared to at least listen . Management is what it is like it or not.

  43. Hammers says:

    Lowetide: Exactly. And a company develops a past. Katz’ hockey past is basically the Oakland Seals. So, keep doing what you’re doing? I don’t think that’s a good idea.

    Problem then is his the owner not any of us and we have to support or not the team . I still choose to support and hope McT and company lead them in the right direction .

  44. Pouzar says:

    Lowetide: I actually haven’t moved it over yet, we’re having issues and I don’t want to move it until figuring out what the heck is going on. It’s in compose area so hopefully a long phonecall today or tomorrow will allow the move.

    Just curious…and sorry if it’s been mentioned but why the move?

  45. G Money says:

    COL: The difference between COL and EDM’s record is goaltending. Period. If it weren’t for Varlamov, the Avs would (once again) be in lottery pick territory. Lowe and MacT should send Varlamov a thank you card.

    Hall: He was fine before the injury. He’s been slow and not at all dominating since. The theory that this impaired performance level (a la Flyfish; Caramel) is a permanent new normal is strange, it implies that a minor MCL injury is the straw that broke Hall’s back as an elite NHL player.

    Visibly, he doesn’t look particularly fast anymore. He used to have that ability to separate when he needed to, like rocket packs on his skates, and that never happens anymore. In fact, we see it once in a while from Nuge (who isn’t that fast a skater) and not from Hall. When Nuge is faster than Hall, you know there’s something wrong.

    The simplest answer was and is that he came back too soon and it’s still a problem (mentally and physically) that is affecting his game. And likely will til the end of the season and he can get a full training program on the knee and regain both full strength and full confidence.

    To tie on to an analysis I did on Hall back in December, to piggyback on LT’s fairly stark boxcars, this is Hall’s 5×5 CF chart pre and post injury, with regression lines:
    http://i.imgur.com/esCgNIn.png

    Pre injury CF 58.9 and climbing, CorsiRel 12.9, post injury 55.8 and declining, CorsiRel 8.9.

    This is his updated CF chart:
    http://i.imgur.com/JcMLPb0.png

    You can see that the decline has mostly continued unabated – in fact, the ‘season’ and ‘post injury’ trend lines now pretty much line up i.e. the early season success has now been swallowed.

    Post injury Corsi has declined to 52.8.

    The good news? Visually, it looks like he’s been a consistently better player for the last five games. (I think this jives with the on-ice visuals as well). Maybe the knee is feeling better. Maybe the noggin is feeling better.

    If that’s true, the rest over the All-Star break will do him a world of good. All of Oiler fandom will be watching closely, that’s for sure!

    As LT says – the stars may be lining up such that just as we do indeed put a stamp on Hall’s troubles, he’s about to rebound.

  46. John Chambers says:

    Woodguy: That’s a strange interpretation.

    It makes more sense that the price is high and teams don’t usually pay high prices with the deadlinemonths away unless they have big injury issues.

    The thing is the player can be traded at any time during the season, meaning once he’s been dealt to a playoff team he’s no longer available. After Petry there’s Tyler Myers who will command a much higher cost, and then not that much else in the way of available inventory for top-4 D.

    So there is in theory a major 1st mover advantage. Perhaps to MacT’s credit he’s been holding out for a 1st round pick or top prospect in exchange, and more than likely Dean Lombardi and Ken a Holland have said, “for Petry, fat chance”.

    I surmise the situation as this: the Oilers really do value Petry but can’t get him signed, but other teams don’t value him to the same extent and he can’t fetch a 1st. For that reason he remains an Oiler until someone is willing to pay the price (ie an injury occurs) or we approach the deadline and MacT is forced to sell.

  47. Lowetide says:

    Pouzar: Just curious…and sorry if it’s been mentioned but why the move?

    All kinds of updating issues, GoDaddy has an area of their world that automatically does it for me. The problem I’m having, and the reason I haven’t moved, is the actual stories I’m writing are wonky for me to read. And that’s something I want to solve before moving.

  48. John Chambers says:

    Woodguy: The best teams have 6 solid NHL Dmen.

    NAS, NYI, PIT (when healthy), TBY, STL.

    CHI’s missing Leddy and Oduya is having a rough year.

    LAK is feeling the loss of Voynov.

    Oilers are miles and miles away from being that good and their best is on the way out because he doesn’t fit their mould on what they think a good Dman is.

    Next year might be worse than this one unless they add a ton of D.

    I disagree with the assumption that the Oilers don’t value Petry. He leads the team with regard to TOI, and if Dellow has had a single audience with MacT he’ll have espoused Petry’s RelCorsi, and all the other fine things he does.

    Guy doesn’t want to be here. It’s that simple. It’s s shitty shitty scenario for MacT who is trying to build a competitive team and where good defensemen need to be added and not subtracted, but Jeff Petry decided that he doesn’t want to be an Oiler.

    So what else can the boss do? Perron was at least converted into a 1st, and I think if that was on the table MacT would gladly make that exchange with Ken Holland then attempt to trade the pick at the draft for another Dman then fine, but Jeff Petry just isn’t valued as highly because a) he’s an Oiler, b) perceived as being soft c) not a ton of offense, etc.

    At some point he’ll be traded for a 2nd and a 4th, everyone will whine, but that’s probably both the inevitable outcome, and the best possible outcome for the Oil, as shitty as that sounds.

  49. Lowetide says:

    John Chambers:

    Guy doesn’t want to be here. It’s that simple. It’s s shitty shitty scenario for MacT who is trying to build a competitive team and where good defensemen need to be added and not subtracted, but Jeff Petry decided that he doesn’t want to be an Oiler.

    Absolutely zero evidence this is the case.

  50. John Chambers says:

    Lowetide: Sure, and if I trusted these guys it might be welcome. I am NOT at all convinced the Edmonton Oilers are going to do good things this summer.

    I think the team will be marketed very differently heading into next season in that one or two members of the Hall-Eberle-Yak-Schultz core will be traded. Rightfully this team needs a shakeup, and rightfully also we should have some worry about Hall being traded for Jeff Skinner, but I don’t think it’s a bad idea for management to explore hypothetical scenarios (ie trade Hall) because at this point they have to do whatever is necessary to make the franchise respectable again.

    Agreed – it’s hard to fathom a trade scenario where Hall is traded and the Oilers get better, but if say St Louis is offering Pietrangelo or Arizona is offering OEL then it’s hard to argue that this isn’t worth significant consideration.

  51. hunter1909 says:

    One MacT thing I like is he’s not traded away any of the young guns. Maybe he understands that every one of these number 1 picks cost the team an entire season of California Seals level ineptitude, and this shit adds up. Who knows.

    Eakins royally fucked up the chemistry of this team, and I’m amazed he gets off so lightly. Okay, maybe the future of the NHL is systems, and robots. A nice no fighting, no contact game with eff knows what. That’s fine by me, I have discovered other things to do over the last two years.

    You really have to wonder at what point Katz starts wondering what kind of a team he’s going to be sitting in his emperor’s throne watching in his shiny Cat-palace. Oil has dropped to what? Good luck with that filling the arena to watch a mediocre team.

    Of course he still gets to hear about the dynasty, lol.

  52. John Chambers says:

    Lowetide,

    Why why why wouldn’t they sign him then? They can’t afford to lose their best defenseman.

    They’re a sub-par management group but they’re not imbeciles.

    The 1-year contract and The Score reporting that they’ve been trying to trade him for months indicates to me a player not committed to being here and the Oilers trying to exact some return.

    Should’ve traded him in the summer when he was still RFA – perhaps they waited thinking that if the team was competitive he might want to stick around.

  53. TheOtherJohn says:

    Anyone that thinks Schultz is a member of the Oiler core should submit themselves for the interior review that is not a “forensic audit”

    May be proven wrong but I could see Petry really help a playoff contender make a run late in the playoffs. Expect he can play 18-20 TOI on a contender and is RH with decent offense

  54. spoiler says:

    Lowetide: Absolutely zero evidence this is the case.

    There is some evidence. We don’t know if the one year deal signed last summer was all MacT was offering, or if it was the only term Petry would sign. That’s not a lot, but it’s not absolutely zero either.

  55. Lowetide says:

    spoiler: There is some evidence. We don’t know if the one year deal signed last summer was all MacT was offering, or if it was the only term Petry would sign.That’s not a lot, but it’s not absolutely zero either.

    We know they were discussing various terms, right? That implies (to me) there was a gap in price on free-agent seasons. I don’t see any evidence, although it’s also possible Petry never planned to sign here (and we wouldn’t have evidence).

  56. spoiler says:

    Over the past year and a half, Garrioch has had the Oilers trading Eberle, Yak, Hall. Trading with Ottawa, trading for Cam Ward, etc etc etc. And none of these things have come to pass… because it is Garrioch.

    We have no idea who, if anyone, was involved in this alleged deal. There is no reason to assume the worst case scenario.

    Schultz is part of the “core”. What if it was Schultz plus a 1st and something else for Myers?

    I think there would be a lot of ecstatic people here.

  57. spoiler says:

    Lowetide: We know they were discussing various terms, right?

    I know the Oilers were.

  58. John Chambers says:

    After watching Strahlman, Niskanen and Orpik get minted last summer, Petrys agent would’ve rightfully advised him to take a 1-year deal, even at a discount, because someone is going to give him upwards of $35-$40M over a 7 year contact.

    It sucks for Oiler fans but I really can’t blame him.

  59. spoiler says:

    Could be that Petry wanted a pretty big number on term to continue to endure this penury. Not hard to imagine.

  60. Bar_Qu says:

    I’m starting to wonder if this “forensic audit” is simply this year’s version of Katz’s letter to the fans. Words, whitewashing and moving on. I think maybe the Bob Green thing was all that will happen as a result of this audit and then big dollars will be thrown at Todd McClelland and/or Mike Babcock (the latest free agent white whales).

    Regardless, I am not hopeful for change, meaningful change anyways.

  61. John Chambers says:

    spoiler:
    Could be that Petry wanted a pretty big number on term to continue to endure this penury.Not hard to imagine.

    MacT: Okay we have three options for you – a four-year $18M deal, a six-year $27M deal, or a low-ball one year deal for a paltry three million.

    Petry and agent (gleefully): We’ll take the three mil. #UFAjuly2015

  62. John Chambers says:

    Bar_Qu:
    I’m starting to wonder if this “forensic audit” is simply this year’s version of Katz’s letter to the fans. Words, whitewashing and moving on. I think maybe the Bob Green thing was all that will happen as a result of this audit and then big dollars will be thrown at Todd McClelland and/or Mike Babcock (the latest free agent white whales).

    Regardless, I am not hopeful for change, meaningful change anyways.

    I dunno. Starting next season with McLelland let alone Babcock as your HC instead of Eakins is a major major upgrade.

  63. Bar_Qu says:

    John Chambers: I dunno. Starting next season with McLelland let alone Babcock as your HC instead of Eakins is a major major upgrade.

    Assuming he is given a defence corps not made up of newly minted D and nearly dead D, I’m not sure how much upgrading that position helps.

  64. Lowetide says:

    Nurse with an assist, now 26gp, 8-18-26.

  65. Lowetide says:

    Kyle Platzer with his 20th goal today now 43gp, 20-33-43.

  66. oliveoilers says:

    John Chambers:
    Lowetide,

    Why why why wouldn’t they sign him then? They can’t afford to lose their best defenseman.

    They’re a sub-par management group but they’re not imbeciles.

    The 1-year contract and The Score reporting that they’ve been trying to trade him for months indicates to me a player not committed to being here and the Oilers trying to exact some return.

    Should’ve traded him in the summer when he was still RFA – perhaps they waited thinking that if the team was competitive he might want to stick around.

    I strongly suggest you do a 5 second google search before continuing the line of ‘Petry doesn’t want to be here’ narrative. “Petry” + “Oilers” + “Contract Talks”.

    No offer was made, nor any approach from the Oiler’s management to open negotiations.

    Their mind was made up before the one year deal.

    Stubborn, stubborn, stubborn MacT

  67. GCW_69 says:

    Bar_Qu:
    I’m starting to wonder if this “forensic audit” is simply this year’s version of Katz’s letter to the fans. Words, whitewashing and moving on. I think maybe the Bob Green thing was all that will happen as a result of this audit and then big dollars will be thrown at Todd McClelland and/or Mike Babcock (the latest free agent white whales).

    Regardless, I am not hopeful for change, meaningful change anyways.

    I highly doubt any highly regarded veteran coach is going to come to Edmonton with these clowns in management unless they throw obscene money at them.

    So, expect a Paul Maurice or Pete Debeor level coach rather than Babcock.

  68. spoiler says:

    Here is the verbal after the Petry signing from Tychkowski:

    The Edmonton Oilers defenceman signed a one-year, $3.075 million contract Monday, a deal just long enough to get him to unrestricted free agency next July.

    If he delivers a big year, he hits the jackpot in the summer of 2015. If he takes a step backward, the money tree might look like it just got hit by a late autumn windstorm.

    It’s up to him, and that’s the way he wants it.

    “It was something we both agreed on, both sides thought this was the best scenario, to see how the year went not only for the team but how it went for me,” said the 26-year-old, who likes that he’s in control of his own destiny.

    “There’s benefits to both sides; a long term deal gives you security, but in signing a one-year deal it’s up to me to perform and have a good year, put myself in a good position to either talk extension or, if both sides decide to part ways, go the other (UFA) direction.”

    General manager Craig MacTavish tried for a longer deal, but is content with the one-year compromise.

    “It’s a bit of risky deal for us because we’re exposed on the asset,” he said of the potential to lose Petry to free agency. “We very much view Jeff as a high-end asset for us, but at the same time we have to see what the level is.

    “Jeff is anticipating a high level and he has the ability to hit it out of the park. If that’s the case, we’re right back at the table next year negotiating a long-term deal based on a tremendous season.”

    (emphasis mine)

    Pretty sure we had a report too from Friedman at the time the negotiations were going on that the Oilers were taking offers on Petry. That might mean they were looking to assess his value, came back to his agent and said, this is all we can get, we can’t send him to a better home, it would hurt our team too much. Or it might mean the Oil don’t like him at the numbers requested, or both, dunno.

  69. Woodguy says:

    John Chambers:
    After watching Strahlman, Niskanen and Orpik get minted last summer, Petrys agent would’ve rightfully advised him to take a 1-year deal, even at a discount, because someone is going to give him upwards of $35-$40M over a 7 year contact.

    It sucks for Oiler fans but I really can’t blame him.

    Oilers only offered a 1 year last year.

  70. John Chambers says:

    oliveoilers,

    That obviously implies that MacT and the Oilers don’t know what player they have in Petry.

    Yet they feed him the most minutes and trust him in the most difficult situations.

    So either MacT is a blithering idiot, or there’s more to the story than just “the Oilers aren’t interested in re-signing him”.

  71. Woodguy says:

    John Chambers: I disagree with the assumption that the Oilers don’t value Petry. He leads the team with regard to TOI, and if Dellow has had a single audience with MacT he’ll have espoused Petry’s RelCorsi, and all the other fine things he does.

    Guy doesn’t want to be here. It’s that simple. It’s s shitty shitty scenario for MacT who is trying to build a competitive team and where good defensemen need to be added and not subtracted, but Jeff Petry decided that he doesn’t want to be an Oiler.

    So what else can the boss do? Perron was at least converted into a 1st, and I think if that was on the table MacT would gladly make that exchange with Ken Holland then attempt to trade the pick at the draft for another Dman then fine, but Jeff Petry just isn’t valued as highly because a) he’s an Oiler, b) perceived as being soft c) not a ton of offense, etc.

    At some point he’ll be traded for a 2nd and a 4th, everyone will whine, but that’s probably both theinevitable outcome, and the best possible outcome for the Oil, as shitty as that sounds.

    There’s a lot of assumptions in there that I know to not be true.

    What I heard prior to Petry signing last year that MacT wasn’t sold on him and that MacT only offered him a 1 year deal.

    I might be much clearer to MacT what he has in Petry now, but that horse is out of the barn as Petry is only 40 games to UFA status.

    I also hear that they haven’t even offered Petry an extension.

    They aren’t even trying to keep him.

    I have not heard anything about Petry’s feelings on the matter, so I can’t speculate on whether or not he’d sign.

  72. verdad2.0 says:

    If you don’t trust MacTavish etal for making the right decisions this summer, then surely reason should suggest that they should be fired immediately!
    As I have consistently urged, the entire group bef fired. They have done nothing to deserve anyone having confidence in whatever decisions they may make to improve the Oilers.
    The recent trade of Perron for what will turn out to be close to nothing is just another expample of the endless ineptifude.

    I have long believed that big parts of the current “core” need to flushed if the Oilers are to progress, but the specific decisions both on who goes and who comes back has to be left to others, not the current group.

    Sure this is obvious now?

  73. John Chambers says:

    Woodguy,

    Well I’m drawn to one of two conclusions:
    1) Petry doesn’t want to be here
    2) MacT is really f’ing stupid

    For now I’ll believe 1), but if the Oilers think the best re-building plan is to let their best defenseman leave then 2) isn’t all that implausible.

    What’s that line you guys use about wanting to have nice things?

  74. oliveoilers says:

    John Chambers:
    oliveoilers,

    That obviously implies that MacT and the Oilers don’t know what player they have in Petry.

    Yet they feed him the most minutes and trust him in the most difficult situations.

    So either MacT is a blithering idiot, or there’s more to the story than just “the Oilers aren’t interested in re-signing him”.

    MacT isn’t an idiot, but he’s a dog with a bone when it comes to players and sideburns. Most places just pay out your final two weeks after you quit, just so as you’re not hanging around being a morale vortex.

  75. John Chambers says:

    verdad2.0,

    It’s becoming more obvious.

    However, after reading LT’s report card the other day, I will note that a few players near the top of the list including Gordon, Pouliot, and (a little further down) Fayne, are all MacT hires. The Nuge contract is his, and Schultz’s short contract is also his. All good things.

    The Eakins hire is easily his worst move, and is all his. Scrivens / Fasth caught everyone off guard, but is all MacT’s. The failure to ink Petry long-term – another major major error.

    The first Perron trade was possibly the organization’s best trade since acquiring Roloson. The second Perron trade is optimistically making the best of a bad situation, and pessimistically a bit of poor asset management.

    He’s not a blithering idiot, but I think we’ll all agree the Petry contract and where we are now has been a monumental failure. Like I say, my guess is that Petry wanted just a single year in order to cash in when he becomes a UFA, but I’m being swayed over the argument for arrogance and stubbornness.

  76. spoiler says:

    Woodguy: Oilers only offered a 1 year last year.

    Not according to the Tych article.

  77. russ99 says:

    I still think this was done and dusted last summer. By agreeing to the one-year deal, everyone knew he was going to be a UFA.

    Petry’s no idiot, he obviously knows what a commodity a player like him is on the open market.

    Plus he’s in his prime, and how many more years of his career does he want to play for a non-contender?

    So if there was the option for a multi year deal last summer, it may well have been well below what his rep thinks he can get on the market, may not have been enough to offset losing in Edmonton, and/or MacT may have gone lower than he should.

    However, it may not all be lost as long as we spend that cap room on someone better than Petry.

  78. spoiler says:

    LT,

    Do you have a link to that Garrioch article, because I can`t find anything from him other than Petry comments and goaltending comments.

    Closest I could find was Pierre LeBrun on Jan 16:

    “I will tell you this. I know of a team that phoned Edmonton last week and I presume offered some pretty interesting parts and wanted to get in on a conversation involving one of their big three kids, and the answer was, ‘No. We’re not ready to have that discussion.’ “

    So, in other words, one team has come calling on the kids and the Oilers have rebuffed them.

    What`s not to like about that?

    And we can`t blame other GMs for trying.

  79. GCW_69 says:

    russ99: However, it may not all be lost as long as we spend that cap room on someone better than Petry.

    Like Nikitin.

  80. oliveoilers says:

    Hey guys, just gonna lighten the mood a little. Got this from a trade rumour site. Seemed legit 😉

    To Edmonton:
    Dion Phaneuf (25% retained)
    Jake Gardiner

    To Toronto:
    Jordan Eberle
    Andrew Ference

    To Arizona:
    Phil Kessel
    Tyler Bozak
    Richard Panik
    1st Round Pick 2016

    To Toronto:
    Mikkel Boedker
    Max Domi
    1st Round Pick 2015
    Martin Hanzal

    To Dallas:
    Joffrey Lupul

    To Toronto:
    Ales Hemsky
    4th Round Pick 2015

    Lines:
    VanRiemsdyk-Kadri-Eberle
    Boedker-Hanzal-Hemsky
    Komarov-Holland-Santorelli
    Booth-Smith-Winnik

    Ference-Franson
    Rielly-Robidas
    Percy-Polak

    In what universe does that team not get destroyed. Love the 1st pairing D. Effin’ Leaves.

  81. Unicorns says:

    One of the quirks of the human condition along with confirmation bias and the like is ignoring the obvious as it piles up. People who live in flood plains often don’t recall accurately how many times they’ve been flooded out.

    A few people were pointing out after 2-3 years of this stretch of horror that there was massive incompetence or massive tanking going on. I saw that most people couldn’t support that, there was a fair amount of acrimony in those years in the Oilogosphere. The patterns were there, people didn’t want to acknowledge it even after giving ample benefit of the doubt.

    The thoughts of those who get onto things early are rarely popular. Still even after year 4 then 5 then 6…… people still couldn’t buy that things stank, that the summer wouldn’t bring a turn.

    So now it’s been long enough even Lowetide, amongst the most even keeled brightsiders through this mess, has lost the that view.

    I have never read anything credible about Petry wanting out, his recent comments sounded to me like he was hoping for his agent to get a call if anything. I think that own drafted players have far more team loyalty than we realize, until the first trade hardens them. The Oilers have a history here, turning on their best players, being distant and treating them poorly IMO, dumping them often for beans and making the team worse.

    They have rarely come out of one these deals on the right side. It’s the same bull headed, wrong headed thinking that has been going on for decades really. It’s just the utter failing that’s newish. The same guys have been running the show really since the Oilers entered the NHL, and it’s their attitudes and lack of professional growth we are witness to.

    There is no way and no argument to make for them or for us, unless the Oilers are engaging in tampering and know that they have a better replacement in the bag, that Petry leaving is a help. He is the best defenseman, and I say the third best player on the team behind Hall and Nuge. Keeping him is less expensive than trading or signing for another player. UFA’s will be more because Petry has the least rep. A trade will cost assets, and what team is going to trade a RD clearly better than Petry that doesn’t involve Hall, if even then?

    This is the same old same old, Pitkanen, Vish, the Euros and Gilbert on D, Penner, Hemsky, Horcoff, Glencross. It’s been so long even Peter Forsberg had a comment about the Oilers – ‘they trade away their best players’.

    The sad part is I am confident that a few well done additions turns them completely around. This team has no history of doing that successfully especially in one summer. The Oilers, by their own choice, have no Jim Nill. Still there is an outside chance they sign Petry, even if true to Oiler managing it’s only because they couldn’t find a deal and MacT is smart enough to realize he needs something from him even if it’s later.

    What the heck do they talk about with Katz these days when they’re hanging out, MacT Lowe and Buchy and whoever else is in the club? Maybe that’s why Katz moved to Van – to avoid the awkward get together’s.

  82. spoiler says:

    oliveoilers,

    LOL. That was a pretty good laugh!

  83. spoiler says:

    oliveoilers,

    Unbelievably, the mastermind behind all those trades doesn`t also say, `Draft Eichel, McDavid or Hanifin“.

  84. oliveoilers says:

    spoiler:
    oliveoilers,

    Unbelievably, the mastermind behind all those trades doesn`t also say, `Draft Eichel, McDavid or Hanifin“.

    That’s because the pick was traded for E. Staal and Cam Ward!

  85. oliveoilers says:

    Okay, it’s Sunday, the first Guinness has been fired down the range. Let’s have some fun!

    I want to see trade proposals. But not as you’d think! I want them to seem ridiculous at first, but start to make perverse sense the more you think about them. And as many teachers put on my tests: Show you workings!

  86. Lowetide says:

    spoiler:
    LT,

    Do you have a link to that Garrioch article, because I can`t find anything from him other than Petry comments and goaltending comments.

    Closest I could find was Pierre LeBrun on Jan 16:

    “I will tell you this. I know of a team that phoned Edmonton last week and I presume offered some pretty interesting parts and wanted to get in on a conversation involving one of their big three kids, and the answer was, ‘No. We’re not ready to have that discussion.’ “

    So, in other words, one team has come calling on the kids and the Oilers have rebuffed them.

    What`s not to like about that?

    And we can`t blame other GMs for trying.

    I’ve looked and can’t find it, sorry. I’m going to change the opener because it’s deceiving unless I can find the link. I can tell you that this morning I read something like “I am hearing that the it’s all quiet in regard to the Oilers. Teams are interested blah blah blah” but I didn’t link at can’t find.

    Sincere apologies.

  87. oliveoilers says:

    Let’s get the ball rolling:

    To MTL:
    Edmonton’s 1st rnd pick from Pitts.
    Viktor Fasth
    Jeff Petry

    To EDM:
    Dustin Tokarski
    Lars Eller

  88. Lowetide says:

    Found it!

    http://www.ottawasun.com/2015/01/23/players-intrigued-by-vegas-as-potential-nhl-market?token=8972e7f3acb14dd6551a787991fb54ac

    With several teams looking for a young forward who can score, most have either Edmonton’s Taylor Hall or Jordan Eberle on their radar screen and all have inquired with GM Craig MacTavish about the possibility. What they’re being told? That the Oilers don’t want to do anything right now. “It’s surprising because you’d think they’d want to do something and there’s plenty of interest,” said a league executive. “With where they’re sitting and what’s been happening, it doesn’t sound like they even really want to discuss the possibility.” The Oilers are listening to offers but the sense is if they’re going to do something with either Hall or Eberle it will be in the off-season when their draft position is decided and they can weigh everything. All-star forward Ryan Nugent-Hopkins isn’t going anywhere

  89. rickithebear says:

    C David with 5 points Today:
    1 @ EV ad 4 on PP with Strome.

    Mcdavid points since WJC
    7gm 4EVG 3PPG 3EVA 5 PPA
    All PP points with strome
    1.00 EVP/gm
    1.14 PPP/gm

    Marner:
    8gm 4EVG 1PPG 11EVA 4PPA +9
    1.875 EVP/gm All even W/ Dvorak
    .625 PP/gm

  90. rickithebear says:

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    Hunting
    Played Golf
    Drank Beer and Scotch
    Had money in the Bank
    left the toilet seat up
    farted when he wanted

    He lived happily ever after!

  91. oliveoilers says:

    rickithebear:
    My wife Posted this Beautiful Fairy tale on her desk top.

    Once Apon A time a guy asked a girl to marry Him!
    She Said No!
    So he
    rode Morordcycles
    went fishing
    Hunting
    Played Golf
    Drank Beer and Scotch
    Had money in the Bank
    left the toilet seat up
    farted when he wanted

    He lived happily ever after!

    He also had to scratch that itch himself……

  92. book¡je says:

    Ok, let’s work on a consensus point.

    – Jeff Petry does not want Arby’s.

    Let’s build from that.

  93. Lowetide says:

    Nuge with the dart pass and a deadly gorgeous assist.

  94. flyfish1168 says:

    Lowetide:
    Nuge with the dart pass and a deadly gorgeous assist.

    Working on his 2nd car?

  95. oliveoilers says:

    book¡je:
    Ok, let’s work on a consensus point.

    – Jeff Petry does not want Arby’s.

    Let’s build from that.

    Nobody that isn’t blind drunk wants Arby’s.

  96. Lowetide says:

    oliveoilers: Nobody that isn’t blind drunk wants Arby’s.

    Haven’t been there in decades but once had an excellent baked potato there. Or maybe it was Fuddruckers.

  97. jfry says:

    i think the “forensics” will come to the conclusion that fall out boy is total garbage.

  98. Ca$h-Money! says:

    Let’s trade Petry for the promise to not ever have to sit through a Fallout Boy performance ever again.

    Petry and a third…. And Gernat.

  99. Woodguy says:

    spoiler: Not according to the Tych article.

    Link?

  100. Lowetide says:

    Nurse with 2 assists today now 26gp, 8-19-27.
    Platzer 1-2-3 today 43gp, 20-35-55 on the year.

  101. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    jfry:
    i think the “forensics” will come to the conclusion that fall out boy is total garbage.

    I was just walking into the room when they were announced – did the announcer say, “here are the Fall Out Boys…”?

    If so, shades of Hank Kingsley and The Judd…

  102. G Money says:

    Man, I just find this unwatchable hockey.

    I know it’s par for the course, and we can’t expect any of these guys to risk injury, but for me it is like watching 10 Justin Schultz’s out there, Jultzing all over the place.

    Time to go wash the car.

  103. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    rickithebear:
    My wife Posted this Beautiful Fairy tale on her desk top.

    Once Apon A time a guy asked a girl to marry Him!
    She Said No!
    So he
    rode Morordcycles
    went fishing
    Hunting
    Played Golf
    Drank Beer and Scotch
    Had money in the Bank
    left the toilet seat up
    farted when he wanted

    He lived happily ever after!

    Morordcycles? I think the beer and scotch came first

  104. geowal says:

    Woodguy: Link?

    Near the top of the comments he already posted it

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