YOU BETTER BE RIGHT

Jeff Petry isn’t gone yet and that one thing has me hoping the Edmonton Oilers are still interested in the 2015-16 season. In moving David Perron earlier in the year for a draft pick and Rob Klinkhammer, the club once again moved back the rebuild. Adding Petry’s exit to the pile? An even longer slog to respectability. If that sounds crazy, let’s once again review Jeff Petry’s role on the Edmonton Oilers:

JEFF PETRY PLAYER CARD

petry player cardThis season, the Oilers have their top four D tightly bunched in terms of quality of competition (Fayne faces the toughest, then several are bunched together) and Petry is right in that mix. I’m comfortable saying he is facing top four opposition nightly. He and Ference get the toughest zone starts and the more we learn about the game the more weight we put on severe zone starts: That is the heavy lifting.

His offense at evens is nothing to write home about, he’s No. 116 among NHL defensemen at the discipline (in with guys like Braydon Coburn and Ryan McDonagh). The thing about Petry is this: He’s really just arrived as an NHL defender. He’s at 293 games, seasoned enough to really help the turn north and young enough to have his foot speed and motor skills. By the time Jeff Petry reaches 1,000 games—that’s 8.5 seasons in the distance—he’ll be slow and old and possess the feet of clay most of us have at 20.

For now, the young man has been touched by God and NHL teams know it. Do the Oilers know it? I think they do. Why aren’t they signing him? He may not want to stay and that is his right.

So, I’m left with this feeling of absolute hopelessness about this Edmonton Oilers organization. They drafted this young man, watched him develop and grow into the player we see today and yet either don’t see him as a $5 million dollar defenseman or can’t convince him to sign at that number. And that’s fine but the gap between Petry and Justin Schultz—as defensemen—is mammoth. So what this comes down to is another decision made necessary because the club is all-in on Schultz.

There’s an old baseball saying that comes into play when a player on the field is about to go against convention. When a runner at second attempts a steal of third base with two outs? Do you know what baseball men say? Or when the batter is given the ‘take’ sign when the pitcher is behind three balls and no strikes, and swings anyway? Do you know what basebell men say?

You better be right.

Amen to that.

I fear Craig MacTavish agrees.

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  1. Pouzar says:

    Early Hijack:

    Brock Otten’s
    Sunday Top 10 – Most Improved Players of 2014/2015

    http://ohlprospects.blogspot.ca/

    Honorable Mention:
    Kyle Platzer – Owen Sound Attack

    Platzer has most definitely taken his game to the next level this year. He looks considerably stronger on the puck and it’s helped to give him more time to operate and use his high end vision/hockey sense to make plays. He’s also been more aggressive in playing in traffic and along the boards. He’ll end up doubling his own personal best in points.

  2. frjohnk says:

    I posted this a few days ago

    P/60
    tied for 116th best

    Corsi Against/60
    73rd best

    Fenwick Against/60
    82nd best

    OZS %
    28th toughest

    Scoring Chances For % Rel
    38th best

    Corsi For % Rel
    41st best

    Fenwick for % Rel
    54th best

    Change in OZ start OZ finish
    51st best

    TOI/game
    29th highest

    PDO
    7th worst

    Shot Blocks
    6th best

    Hits for
    50th best

    On Ice Shooting %
    5th worst

    If Oilers shot league average shooting % with petry on ice
    He is tied for 92nd for points/60

    Best Oiler D man by a country mile ( but Klef is closing the gap,)

    Petry is a pretty good number 3, but partnered with a player better than him, would be the makings of a good top pairing.

  3. delooper says:

    I’ve never really understood the appeal of watching car crashes. If I was studying failure analysis as a mechanical engineer, I could understand looking at the components after-the-fact. But watching it happen… no. Not unless there’s some real mystery there.

  4. Captain's Log says:

    It’s strange to think that Jeff Petry is only in his 5th professional season. In some ways it feels like he has been around much longer; perhaps it is because of the colossal amount of change that blue-line has seen.

    Where would he be if the Oilers had taken the Detroit development model and applied it to this wonderful player? Jeff Petry played less than a full season in the AHL before he became an NHL regular. Nevermind the fact that he was never playing with what you would reasonable call a solid defensive group.

    Despite all of that he has blossomed into a very useful NHLer and now the Oilers seem ready to send him away. Why oh why?

  5. Big Oil Truck says:

    Hear you loud n clear, Lowetide. Dmen take forever to grow and are impossible to pick up in the prime of their career, and MacT seems to be letting Petry run away. I can’t see them properly replacing him for years.

  6. VanOil says:

    Don’t worry Klefbom will be a 300 game NHL defenseman just in time for Hall to leave town. Nurse should make the mark just in time for Nuge to flee as well.

  7. VanOil says:

    My advice to MacT on defense would be;

    Sign Petry
    Trade Jultz to the Habs for Eller (Solving your C problem regardless of who you draft)
    Sign Patrik Hersley as a #6-7 with a powerplay bomb

    Buy out/Retain salary trade one of Nikitin or Ference

    Jultz is a natural replacement for Gonchar and would fit well with the Hads big bodied D prospects of the future.

  8. russ99 says:

    Petry and Schultz aren’t mutually exclusive

    MacT decided to kick the can down the road on Petry and not pay the man last summer way before all that Schultz “Norris” talk to cover up how he caved on yet another young potential core RFA.

    I’m glad Schultz is turning the corner under Nelson, but then as now, he’s not a replacement for Petry.

    If anything the issue is deciding to overpay Nikitin instead of overpaying to lock up Petry.

  9. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    19 scouts at Leafs-Panthers. No one from the Oilers

    https://twitter.com/kevin_mcgran/status/567818559491022849

    EDIT- AND I AM BLIND!

  10. Lowetide says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    19 scouts at Leafs-Panthers. No one from the Oilers

    https://twitter.com/kevin_mcgran/status/567818559491022849

    Morey Gare is there for the Oilers.

  11. blainer says:

    One has to believe MacT has a plan. With all the media and Blogs telling him he is making a mistake I have to think he has a plan B. If he is serious about the current D going forward without Petry he is out of a job next year. I wonder if the Cap is also factoring in to his decision and Boychuk is not coming cheap if he becomes available. Agreed on Klef.. he is looking good..

  12. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Lowetide: Morey Gare is there for the Oilers.

    D’OH! Just caught that but you were too quick! Ha ha. I suck.

  13. TheOtherJohn says:

    Lowetide: Morey Gare is there for the Oilers.

    Did we ever figure out which pro scout thoought Cam Barker was a good idea? because Morey was head pro scout at the time

    Just sayin

  14. spoiler says:

    Chip Alexander‏@ice_chip ·
    Blackhawks, Jets, Canadiens and Caps scheduled to have scouts at Canes-Isles game.

  15. spoiler says:

    spoiler:
    Chip Alexander‏@ice_chip·
    Blackhawks, Jets, Canadiens and Caps scheduled to have scouts at Canes-Isles game.

    I am stunned the Habs have a spare scout to attend this game since they’ve got 5 in TO.

    Oh, I see one of the 5 is Bergevin, carry on…

  16. Lowetide says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”: D’OH! Just caught thatbut you were too quick! Ha ha. I suck.

    Ha! No worries, I’d read it on twitter earlier so had checked. I could have been nicer though. 🙂

  17. McSorley33 says:

    JW called the Petry saga ….Incomprehensible.

    There is no better word.

    Is it possible Mac T’s grand plan counts on having both Ference and NN back next year?

  18. 8p0intgame says:

    Even Strength Scoring for 1OV Picks (First through Fourth NHL Seasons) 2008-2013:
    S. Stamkos:
    2008-09: 79 GP 12-14-26 .329 PPG 1.76 P/60
    2009-10: 81 GP 19-23-42 .519 PPG 2.34 P/60
    2010-11: 82 GP 25-24-49 .598 PPG 2.50 P/60
    2011-12: 82 GP 41-22-63 .768 PPG 2.79 P/60

    J. Tavares:
    2009-10: 81 GP 11-12-23 .284 PPG 1.32 P/60
    2010-11: 79 GP 16-22-38 .481 PPG 1.97 P/60
    2011-12: 82 GP 19-29-48 .595 PPG 2.17 P/60
    2012-13: 48 GP 17-11-28 .583 PPG 2.17 P/60

    T. Hall:
    2010-11: 65 GP 10-15-25 .385 PPG 1.57 P/60
    2011-12: 61 GP 13-18-31 .508 PPG 2.13 P/60
    2012-13: 45 GP 12-21-33 .733 PPG 3.04 P/60
    2013-14: 75 GP 16-37-53 .707 PPG 2.79 P/60

    T. Seguin:
    2010-11: 74 GP 10-9-19 .257 PPG 1.44 P/60
    2011-12: 81 GP 22-28-50 .617 PPG 2.67 P/60
    2012-13: 48 GP 10-12-22 .458 PPG 1.96 P/60
    2013-14: 80 GP 24-29-52 .663 PPG 2.77 P/60

    R. Nugent-Hopkins:
    2011-12: 62 GP 14-14-28 .452 PPG 1.95 P/60
    2012-13: 40 GP 2-9-11 .275 PPG 1.12 P/60
    2013-14: 80 GP 11-19-30 .375 PPG 1.50 P/60
    2014-15: 56 GP 13-12-25 .446 PPG 1.73 P/60

    N. Yakupov:
    2012-13: 48 GP 10-10-20 .417 PPG 2.14 P/60
    2013-14: 63 GP 7-11-18 .286 PPG 1.45 P/60
    2014-15: 58 GP 5-7-12 .207 PPG 0.99 P/60

    N. MacKinnon:
    2013-14: 82 GP 15-26-41 .500 PPG 2.11 P/60
    2014-15: 57 GP 5-18-23 .404 PPG 1.79 P/60

    NYCOil asked for these numbers in the previous thread.

  19. TheOtherJohn says:

    Why does anyone think Boychuk is going to sign in Edmonton?

    H has s played hisentire career for contending teams in the EC. He’s on another young contending EC team that has minimal travel. He will be playing in NYC next year and they will pay him real good $$.

    Not sure I get how anyone thiinks Oilers would appear attractive to someone like him

  20. SkatinginSand says:

    Lowetide: Morey Gare is there for the Oilers.

    Ouch! Could we have Petry for Clarkson with the Oilers retaining salary? (sarcasm intended)

  21. Lowetide says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    Why does anyone think Boychuk is going to sign in Edmonton?

    H has s played hisentire career for contending teams in the EC. He’s on another young contending EC team that has minimal travel. He will be playing in NYC next yearand they will pay him real good $$.

    Not sure I get how anyone thiinks Oilers would appear attractive to someone like him

    I don’t think he’ll sign here.

  22. frjohnk says:

    The one person who should be concerned the most with a Petry trade is Ference.

    Petry has propped up Ference this year no doubt.

    Ference will look even worse once Petry is traded.

    Could be the catalyst to get Ference bought out.

    Hey gotta look at a Petry trade with a glass half full right?

  23. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    8p0intgame: NYCOil asked for these numbers in the previous thread.

    Thank you. If anything that shows us how lucky we are to have Taylor Hall?

  24. Bling says:

    I think MacTavish’s plan — if you want to call it that — is to trade Petry and make a big push for Boychuk.

    The problem with that is there’s a good chance Boychuk won’t come here, and then we’ll have Nurse taking Petry’s spot.

    This is all very reminiscent of when Lowe allowed Glencross to walk away while he was busy courting Hossa.

    Same regime, folks.

  25. Jon K says:

    I think if Petry is dealt for picks and Nikitin isn’t bought out, we may have to concede that MacT’s transition to management was yet another failed endeavor by Kevin Lowe.

    I loved MacT as a coach. I’d rate him as very good to excellent in that discipline. However, I would be willing to agree that he wasn’t perfect. Notably, he sometimes had a demonstrated inability to accept players for what they were and would reject them for failing to conform to his expectations.

    Prime example: Penner. He might have been overweight, under-conditioned, and capable of much more, but there was no denying that he was an overwhelmingly positive factor when he was on the ice. He was a good scorer and a beastly possession player when he was here.

    Rather than just accept Penner as he was and utilize him accordingly, MacT publicly ragged on him until he was essentially ran out of town.

    Unfortunately for us, this bias is far more dangerous in a GM and I think we are seeing its fruits with the Schultz/Petry fiasco.

  26. 8p0intgame says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    That is true, but RNH doesn’t look too great by this metric. He has the second worst 5 on 5 scoring of all first overall picks from 2008 to 2013 (and Seguin). Yakupov is the worst but it isn’t fair to compare them because he has only played three NHL seasons

  27. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    If MacT wanted Boychuk that bad he would have done what Snow did and acquired him from Boston for magic beans when he was still under the delusion that the team he built was good.

    He may “want” Boychuk… but he doesn’t want him that much. He wants him in the same way LT wants Scarlett Jo!

  28. spoiler says:

    Jon K,

    It’s Pancake Tuesday and we finally have our first Dustin Penner reference!!

  29. Jon K says:

    8p0intgame:
    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    That is true, but RNH doesn’t look too great by this metric. He has the second worst 5 on 5 scoring of all first overall picks from 2008 to 2013 (and Seguin). Yakupov is the worst but it isn’t fair to compare them because he has only played three NHL seasons

    Thats so weird. If only there was some common factor that could explain why those two players have lagged behind picks that went to other teams. Hmmmmm.

  30. frjohnk says:

    Lowetide: I don’t think he’ll sign here.

    FWIW I’m good friends with his first cousin (yeah I know this is weak) but I asked him a couple days ago ” so is Johnny going to sign with the Islanders or is he going to head to free agency, maybe sign with Oilers?”

    His response was “probably free agency, I think he may want to see what the oilers have to offer, but I really don’t know”

    My buddy elaborated that Johnny is quite family oriented and that Johnny’s and his wife’s family are in the edmonton area and that could be a draw to play there.

    But he also said that signing with a potential winner is big too.

    So in the end who knows.

    It’d be nice to somehow get Petry AND Boychuk.

    Good chance we get neither

  31. Jon K says:

    spoiler:
    Jon K,

    It’s Pancake Tuesday and we finally have our first Dustin Penner reference!!

    Dang it! If I had realized I would have referenced pancakes in my list of Penner faults. Bah!

  32. 8p0intgame says:

    Jon K,

    I like Nugent-Hopkins and Yakupov. I was just surprised by how low their even strength scoring was compared to other first overall picks. I was also surprised that Hall had 3.04 even strength points per 60 in the 2012-13 season.

    Edit: After taking another look at the numbers, it is also interesting that Nugent-Hopkins and Yakupov actually had better rookie seasons than most of the other first overall picks during that time period.

  33. ashley says:

    I do not know who Robin Roland is, but that is a surprising quote. This is a much bigger deal than Hemsky last year, but seems to be getting little press vs Hemsky. Petry value to the Oilers (or any team) far exceeds a talented right winger especially when you look at the depth chart.

    This is a vital part of the team the Oilers are about to flush without any way of really replacing the talent. These guys do not make it to free agency. Even Methot signed an extension the other day.

    This is a grievous error in judgment on Kingsway. If the verbal from Petry camp is that he wants out, it is time to open the lines of communication. It is always possible to bridge over such sentiment with a little effort. Now is the time. Get on the phone. Set up some meetings. It is worth the effort.

    Also, missed the last thread, but RNH is the real deal. NYCOIL assessment jives with my contacts from East and Southeast USA. When they talk about the Oilers, there is much sympathy, but the first yabbut is: At least you have RNH. He is the glue to that first line. He is the reason Eberle and Hall always looks so good. He makes everyone look good. I say put him with Yak. Yak has earned it.

  34. Bling says:

    8p0intgame:
    Jon K,

    I like Nugent-Hopkins and Yakupov. I was just surprised by how low their even strength scoring was compared to other first overall picks. I was also surprised that Hall had 3.04 even strength points per 60 in the 2012-13 season.

    Nuge’s EV scoring was a concern pre-draft.

  35. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Found this at CnB. Nuge ranked 11th in his draft class in EV pts/game

    http://www.coppernblue.com/2011/4/15/2092297/2011-NHL-Draft-Prospects-chl-update

    And Bruce, among others, mentioned in terms of Nuge not being a consensus 1st overall pick.

  36. TheOtherJohn says:

    Late to the last thread but look at the Oil. Nuge is in no way part of the problem. Just looked at Copper and Blue article. Only players I like nearly as much as Nuge are Landeskog and Johansen. I’ll stick with Nuge

  37. blainer says:

    MacT… look in the mirror and pretend your the GM of the Red Wings who just accepted a new job to manage the oilers. What does that GM do? First thing he does is sign Petry… tries to land Boychuk in UFA based on his ties to Edmonton via back channel communication .. and then Trades Shultz in a package with futures to get a Vet center and a Goalie. That’s what a GM would do with NO ties to the current players… Forget the ties to the current players and play moneyball..JMO…

  38. Woodguy says:

    blainer:
    One has to believe MacT has a plan. With all the media and Blogs telling him he is making a mistake I have to think he has a plan B. If he is serious about the current D going forward without Petry he is out of a job next year. I wonder if the Cap is also factoring in to his decision and Boychuk is not coming cheap if he becomes available. Agreed on Klef.. he is looking good..

    Many people said the same thing about 2C last year.

    “There’s no way MacT goes into this season with only 2 NHL Centers”

    Yet here we are.

  39. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    For reference, this year among the OHL elite draft eligibles we have:

    EV P/60
    McDavid: 5.81
    Marner: 4.57
    Strome: 4.54

    WHL keep an eye on Nolan Patrick putting up 3.9 in his 16 yr old season

    Last year McDavid scored 4.11 in his 16-17 yr old season
    Sam Bennett scored 4.09 in his 17 yr old season

    Wish we had chlstats.com going back to prior years, but thanks to them for this info.

  40. blainer says:

    Woodguy: Many people said the same thing about 2C last year.

    “There’s no way MacT goes into this season with only 2 NHL Dmen”

    Yet here we are.

    Yup… that is soooo true. OMG what a mess we are for next year. Might as well start checking out the 2016 draft lottery.

  41. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    blainer: Yup… that is soooo true. OMG what a mess we are for next year. Might as well start checking out the 2016 draft lottery.

    I give you Nolan Patrick! See post above

  42. VanOil says:

    Ralph for POHO!

    http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/31506144

    Process, competence and everything else that the Oilers lack.

  43. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL": I give you Nolan Patrick! See post above

    Matthews in ’16.

    Patrick is ’17.

    http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=201274

  44. Woodguy says:

    blainer: Yup… that is soooo true. OMG what a mess we are for next year. Might as well start checking out the 2016 draft lottery.

    Yup, it’s scary.

    Also,

    I fixed “Dmen” to read “Centers” in the original post.

    Fingers work faster than my brain.

  45. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Auston Matthews ’16: Matthews in ’16.

    Patrick is ’17.

    http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=201274

    Yeah, I’m preparing to be in the conversation for both!

  46. GCW_69 says:

    8p0intgame: NYCOil asked for these numbers in the previous thread.

    Interesting, but I am not sure why special teams should be excluded if you want to get a complete picture. High draft picks are expected to get first pp time, which Nuge also does, and deliver offence special teams. How does Nuge look if you do total ppg as well?

  47. TheOtherJohn says:

    EC teams within 2 hours of NYC (many less than 1 1/2 hours):
    Boston
    Washington
    Philly
    Pitts
    Washington
    Detroit
    Carolina
    Montreal
    Ottawa
    Toronto
    Rangers
    Buffalo
    Columbus

    I.e. home in bed after many road games except on a back to back

  48. Woodguy says:

    blainer: Yup… that is soooo true. OMG what a mess we are for next year. Might as well start checking out the 2016 draft lottery.

    Funny you say that.

    I analyzed what MacT said to Bob about the Dmen next year and named my post:

    “If Craig MacTavish does what he says he’s going to do, we might as well start looking at the top of the 2016 draft right now”

    http://becauseoilers.blogspot.ca/2015/02/if-craig-mactavish-does-what-he-says.html

    /stealthspam

  49. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    GCW_69: Interesting,but I am not sure why special teams should be excluded if you want to get a complete picture. High draft picks are expected to get first pp time,which Nuge also does,and deliver offence special teams. How does Nuge look if you do total ppg as well?

    That’s the one metric where the data supports your argument that he is “disappointing” offensively speaking best (EV pts/60).

    If you add PP, it helps Nuge, not hurts (outside of just this year).

  50. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    And I must say, this Patrick kid is a whole lotta wow!

  51. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Woodguy: Funny you say that.

    I analyzed what MacT said to Bob about the Dmen next year and named my post:

    “If Craig MacTavish does what he says he’s going to do, we might as well start looking at the top of the 2016 draft right now”

    http://becauseoilers.blogspot.ca/2015/02/if-craig-mactavish-does-what-he-says.html

    /stealthspam

    Way ahead of you. Going to copy Auston Matthews ’16 and change my name to Nolan Patrick ’17
    ha ha. I wish I were kidding.

  52. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Auston Matthews ’16:
    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    And I must say, this Patrick kid is a whole lotta wow!

    Yes, that’s a ridiculous EV/60 scoring rate for a guy who turned 16 in September and is a WHL rookie.

  53. Bruce McCurdy says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    Why does anyone think Boychuk is going to sign in Edmonton?

    H has s played hisentire career for contending teams in the EC. He’s on another young contending EC team that has minimal travel. He will be playing in NYC next yearand they will pay him real good $$.

    Not sure I get how anyone thiinks Oilers would appear attractive to someone like him

    It’s because of how the last Edmonton-native UFA d-man who signed here has been whole-heartedly endorsed by the fan base. 😐

  54. LoDog says:

    GCW_69,

    Nuge is first in ppg I do beleive.

  55. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    Plays the point on the PP, PKs, has NHL bloodlines and good size. I’ll bet Daryl has his suit planned out for the ’17 draft picture!

  56. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    This Pitt/Wash game is very intense – tied early in the 3rd. Earlier, Ovie got away with what looked like a vicious slash on Letang.

  57. Bruce McCurdy says:

    8p0intgame:
    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”,

    That is true, but RNH doesn’t look too great by this metric. He has the second worst 5 on 5 scoring of all first overall picks from 2008 to 2013 (and Seguin). Yakupov is the worst but it isn’t fair to compare them because he has only played three NHL seasons

    Whereas Nuge is a grizzled vet in his fourth season so all of his comps are more than fair.

  58. Pouzar says:

    The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL":
    For reference, this year among the OHL elite draft eligibles we have:

    EV P/60
    McDavid: 5.81
    Marner: 4.57
    Strome: 4.54

    WHL keep an eye on Nolan Patrick putting up 3.9 in his 16 yr old season

    Last year McDavid scored 4.11 in his 16-17 yr old season
    Sam Bennett scored 4.09 in his 17 yr old season

    Wish we had chlstats.com going back to prior years, but thanks to them for this info.

    I mentioned Nolan Patrick last week. His Dad is my Real Estate agent (Stephen Patrick – former 1st rounder with Buffalo). Super nice man…I’ll be cheering hard for the kid going forward.

    He isn’t available till the ’17 draft though correct?

  59. Snowman says:

    Good gord Taylor Hall is terrible look at those numbers…Trade that guy right now. His contract is terrible.

    I know Nuge lags behind the other number ones. I still think he settles in somewhere around 2.50/60. Give him one or two more summers of healthy training. Another 10 pounds and a bit more speed and the numbers will be there. I still think he’s far and away the best overall player from his draft year and I still think in a couple years he’ll be in the 70-80 point range for a season and he’ll produce for the better part of a decade after that.

    I’d bet on it every day of the week.

  60. Lowetide says:

    It is also believed the Oilers will meet this week with Boston University’s Matt O’Connor.

    New from Elliotte

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-nhl-trade-deadline-2015-rumours/

  61. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Whereas Nuge is a grizzled vet in his fourth season so all of his comps are more than fair.

    Yeah, I asked for EV pts/gm or pt/60 ( I was actually looking for their draft eligible seasons to compare). Found that Nuge was 11th by that metric in his draft year in the Copper n Blue post. I just wanted to point out that there were some concerns about Nuge’s even strength scoring before he was drafted, but he was drafted first overall as he was projected to be the best player.

    That’s all. If you look at my posts in the last thread, I am huge supporter/defender of RNH. I just wanted to try to get at what might be causing GCW to consider him disappointing in some respects.

    I really do think his rookie year was a bit unfair to himself in terms of setting fans’ expectations too high. That PP number will be really hard to ever duplicate again.

    And even if he doesn’t ever do that, he is still a terrific player in my books and can be on my team any time.

  62. jp says:

    Woodguy: Many people said the same thing about 2C last year.

    “There’s no way MacT goes into this season with only 2 NHL Centers”

    Yet here we are.

    Well, we have 3 NHL centers NOW.

  63. 8p0intgame says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    All I am saying is that Nuge has the worst 5 on 5 scoring in his fourth NHL season out of the first overall picks from 2008 to 2011. Saying he has worse 5 on 5 scoring than Stamkos, Tavares and Hall is hardly an insult.

  64. Snowman says:

    Lowetide:
    It is also believed the Oilers will meet this week with Boston University’s Matt O’Connor.

    New from Elliotte

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-nhl-trade-deadline-2015-rumours/

    That doesn’t make me like Todd Nelson any less that’s for sure.

  65. jp says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    Why does anyone think Boychuk is going to sign in Edmonton?

    H has s played hisentire career for contending teams in the EC. He’s on another young contending EC team that has minimal travel. He will be playing in NYC next yearand they will pay him real good $$.

    Not sure I get how anyone thiinks Oilers would appear attractive to someone like him

    I wonder if anyone out there still thinks the Oilers are an up and coming team on the cusp…

  66. wiggs22 says:

    Lowetide… when mac T was hired he said that he should be judged not on what he says but what he does. He also stated that the goal of a successful franchise is to find good players and keep good players.

    I can’t for the life of me understand how he can be so blind. If reports are true and he has had no contract talks with petry’s agent, to me he should be fired.

    Also, We all want him to do trades to improve this team but he states that the market is slow and bearish …!well Kane is traded in a blockbuster and franson in a good hockey trade. . . He may be a very intelligent man But he seems to me that he lacks the one thing we need, salesmanship. That’s right. Sather had the gift to find talent but what no one talks about is his horse trader salesmanship. He could talk another smart GM into the trade and convince the guy that he was winning the deal.
    Mac T doesn’t seem to be able to convince or sell a bag of pucks this yearn A true GM needs to have many gifts but this I find to be the one talent that to me seals his fate as a failed GM

    What are your thoughts ?
    Forgive the rambling style of this message, I’m new to this ; )

  67. LoDog says:

    Also of note from 30 thoughts.

    Olli Jokinen’s best financial offer last summer was from Edmonton, but after recent winters in Calgary and Winnipeg, his family preferred a warmer locale.Getting traded to Toronto when it was minus-40 with the wind chill probably contributed to his negative mood.

  68. Bruce McCurdy says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    Found this at CnB. Nuge ranked 11th in his draft class in EV pts/gamehttp://www.coppernblue.com/2011/4/15/2092297/2011-NHL-Draft-Prospects-chl-update

    And Bruce, among others, mentioned in terms of Nuge not being a consensus 1st overall pick.

    That was true in April of 2011 when SumOil wrote that C&B piece, but the list of top prospects had stratified nicely by draft day. This post from the day before the draft shows as much, & still makes interesting reading today if I may say so myself.

  69. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Thanks. I realized after I posted that you were responding to 8pointgame and not me. I didn’t write that blurb. The double quoting thing threw me off.

  70. LMHF#1 says:

    “We don’t need Gilbert, we’ve got Petry.”

    “We don’t need Petry, we’ve got Nurse.”

    “We don’t need Nurse we’ve got (name here).”

    And round round we go!

  71. flyfish1168 says:

    Bruce McCurdy: It’s because of how the last Edmonton-native UFA d-man who signed here has been whole-heartedly endorsed by the fan base.

    Is this a setup and Dion is coming here also

  72. Bruce McCurdy says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”: Yeah, I asked for EV pts/gm or pt/60 ( I was actually looking for their draft eligible seasons to compare). Found that Nuge was 11th by that metric in his draft year in the Copper n Blue post. I just wanted to point out that there were some concerns about Nuge’s even strength scoring before he was drafted, but he was drafted first overall as he was projected to be the best player.
    That’s all. If you look at my posts in the last thread, I am huge supporter/defender of RNH. I just wanted to try to get at what might be causing GCW to consider him disappointing in some respects.
    I really do think his rookie year was a bit unfair to himself in terms of setting fans’ expectations too high. That PP number will be really hard to ever duplicate again.
    And even if he doesn’t ever do that, he is still a terrific player in my books and can be on my team any time.

    Yeah I know you’re a Nuge supporter & I wasnt challenging anything you said, just pointing out that what was a debate in April was a consensus by June. The concerns expressed in April,were valid & warrant ongoing evaluation as players’ NHL careers take shape. But by June of that year it seems that whatever concerns there had been had been addressed to the satisfaction pf a wide range of experts. Of course that was the time that the liquid discussion crystallized into actual draft picks, so it’s pretty significant.

  73. Bruce McCurdy says:

    LMHF#1:
    “We don’t need Gilbert, we’ve got Petry.”
    “We don’t need Petry, we’ve got Nurse.”
    “We don’t need Nurse we’ve got (name here).”
    And round round we go!

    We don’t need Boychuk we’ve got Ference!

  74. Woodguy says:

    LMHF#1:
    “We don’t need Gilbert, we’ve got Petry.”

    “We don’t need Petry, we’ve got Nurse.”

    “We don’t need Nurse we’ve got (name here).”

    And round round we go!

    Exactly.

    Actually I think they moved Gilbert out because they had Schultz in the bag and promised him top 4 TOI to achieve his bonuses.

    If they’re moving Petry out they may have someone else in the bag.

    I think its Phaneuf.

  75. RexLibris says:

    Nice to see people still wearing Ron Tugnutt’s old jersey.

    http://imgur.com/gallery/SsGLa6b

    *edit – I see someone else mentioned it in the comments section.

  76. Woodguy says:

    Federov (Who is CSKA Moscow’s GM) from Freidman’s piece:

    “Most importantly, he recognizes an NHL GM job is not one step away.

    “It would be inappropriate for me to come right to that position. I would need to be an assistant, to learn. The job is different in the NHL than it is in the KHL. But, there is still some time before this can happen. We will see if the stars align,” he laughs.”

    Wait!

    Even though he has KHL GMing experience he think he needs to be an assistant GM first in the NHL to learn?

    Obviously he was never an Oiler.

    Sather – Coach to GM
    Lowe – Coach to GM
    MacT – Coach to GM

    v4.1 was never an Oiler, but we can include him:

    Tambellini – Couch to GM

    The Oiler model never fails.

    1) Take your coach, make him GM
    2) Hand him Gretzky then draft Messier, Kurri, Coffey, Lowe, Moog, Anderson, Fuhr etc.
    3) ??????????
    4) Stanleys!!!

  77. LoDog says:

    Woodguy: Exactly.

    Actually I think they moved Gilbert out because they had Schultz in the bag and promised him top 4 TOI to achieve his bonuses.

    If they’re moving Petry out they may have someone else in the bag.

    I think its Phaneuf.

    If toronto was to retain say 1 million would that be such a bad thing? Isnt phaneuf at 6 a big upgrade on petry at 5.5?

  78. slopitch says:

    The fact that Petry is a good 2nd pairing d and the oilers have no first pairing D makes losing him even more disappointing. That said, good teams can survive injuries to 2nd pairing guys. Chi is good without Leddy and Bruins are ok without Boychuk. I’d be fine moving Petry and signing Sekera in the summer. Seriously. He’s not Pronger. There’s a generational player (or 2) in this years draft. If I’m gonna lose sleep it will be on lottery night.

    I’m playing devils advocate here a bit. Sign Petry.

  79. Gerta Rauss says:

    LoDog: If toronto was to retain say 1 million would that be such a bad thing? Isnt phaneuf at 6 a big upgrade on petry at 5.5?

    For me the bigger question is what they have planned for Schultz(assuming they are bringing in Dion)

    Do you need Phaneuf and Schultz on the same team..?

  80. Snowman says:

    Woodguy: Exactly.

    Actually I think they moved Gilbert out because they had Schultz in the bag and promised him top 4 TOI to achieve his bonuses.

    If they’re moving Petry out they may have someone else in the bag.

    I think its Phaneuf.

    I find the probable accuracy of this hilarious and depressing. I wonder where Oilers management got the idea that in order to bring in a good blueliner, you must first get rid of a good blueliner. Obviously, 2.5 effective defenseman is the maximum allowable number on the Oilers roster at any given time.

    Klefbom better watchout because Nurse is on the way and Schultz is bulletproof. In two years time we’ll be talking about how Klefbom isn’t as physical as we thought he’d be… And MacT will be vehemently declaring Schultz and Phaneuf an elite shutdown pair worthy of co Norris and Hart trophies.

  81. Woodguy says:

    LoDog: If toronto was to retain say 1 million would that be such a bad thing? Isnt phaneuf at 6 a big upgrade on petry at 5.5?

    I’m not sure on Phanuef.

    Struggles in 1st pairing role, excels at 2nd pairing.

    Depends on how the Oilers would use him.

    Also,

    Matty with the requisite puff piece on Subban before the Oilers trade for him:

    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/touch/story.html?id=10821591&cid=dlvr.it-twitter-ej_oilers

    I wonder if MacT trades Yak for him and Eriksson?

    SN had Eriksson on the block.

    Nice Seguin trade Chiarelli.

  82. spoiler says:

    The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL":
    For reference, this year among the OHL elite draft eligibles we have:

    EV P/60
    McDavid: 5.81
    Marner: 4.57
    Strome: 4.54

    WHL keep an eye on Nolan Patrick putting up 3.9 in his 16 yr old season

    Last year McDavid scored 4.11 in his 16-17 yr old season
    Sam Bennett scored 4.09 in his 17 yr old season

    Wish we had chlstats.com going back to prior years, but thanks to them for this info.

    Yep, he’s a pretty famous 16 year old already. All the reports I have read or heard so far have been blown away by him.

  83. spoiler says:

    Lowetide:
    It is also believed the Oilers will meet this week with Boston University’s Matt O’Connor.

    New from Elliotte

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-nhl-trade-deadline-2015-rumours/

    Garrioch reported earlier today that the Sens were one of TEN teams romancing him.

  84. LoDog says:

    Gerta Rauss: For me the bigger question is what they have planned for Schultz(assuming they are bringing in Dion)

    Do you need Phaneuf and Schultz on the same team..?

    While I think jultzs game is starting to come around I would rather he be used to shore up other areas.

    Ditch ference sign boychuk.
    Boychuk
    Phaneuf
    Klefbom
    Fayne
    Marincin
    Xxx if petry money is reasonable he could be a fine xxx.

  85. PunjabiOil says:

    I’d like to think Boychuk will sign here. He lives in Edmonton in the off-season, and the Oilers are signalling a a vacancy by moving Petry.

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/06/18/johnny-boychuk-loves-edmonton-says-boston-sportcaster-but-are-boychuk-and-the-edmonton-oilers-the-right-fit/

    Having that said, the smart play would be signing Petry, buying out Nikitin and/or trading Ference. It’s an outright disaster they’re trading Petry when he’s just entering the prime of his career.

    What absolute phudus.

    The Petry situation is just baffling. It’s one of those things that MacT seemed to have talked himself into, and now is too stubborn to rectify it. We saw it with Schultz, we saw it with Marincin, we saw it with Eakins, we’re seeing it with Ference/Nikitin (both already being inked into next year’s lineup) and we’ll see it again in the future. When MacT is set in his ways, he’s not going to re-consider.

    He just isn’t.

    You know, I want to believe they have some sort of plan, but what have they really done in the past 12 months to inspire confidence in such?

    They’ve turned/about to turn two valuable assets in Perron and Petry in more draft picks. Baffling given these players could have been value contracts,.

    It’s becoming increasingly clear by the day that MacT is a bust as a GM. The Oilers have several significant quality assets that will help the team in the forseeable future.

    And that’s why it’s very dangerous to entrust them over to MacT.

  86. spoiler says:

    Woodguy: I’m not sure on Phanuef.

    Struggles in 1st pairing role, excels at 2nd pairing.

    Depends on how the Oilers would use him.

    Also,

    Matty with the requisite puff piece on Subban before the Oilers trade for him:

    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/touch/story.html?id=10821591&cid=dlvr.it-twitter-ej_oilers

    I wonder if MacT trades Yak for him and Eriksson?

    SN had Eriksson on the block.

    Nice Seguin trade Chiarelli.

    Phaneuf also doesn’t play the right side as well as he plays the left. If they’re using him to replace Petry, then we’re in trouble.

    Ideally he would play the port side next to Schultz, giving some physicality to that pairing and a booming shot to offset Jultz’s complete lack of confidence in his own shot.

    But I’d still want TO to retain too.

    I have dealt with that family, including Dion, in the past as clients and I have a hard time believing he’d include Edmonton on his trade list. If he had to leave the east coast–and man does he love PEI–I would expect he would prefer to be in Van or Cali because of his wife.

    I don’t fear Phaneuf.

    I fear a Crawford/Quick trade followed by an Adam McQuaid signing.

  87. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Woodguy: I’m not sure on Phanuef.

    Struggles in 1st pairing role, excels at 2nd pairing.

    Depends on how the Oilers would use him.

    Also,

    Matty with the requisite puff piece on Subban before the Oilers trade for him:

    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/touch/story.html?id=10821591&cid=dlvr.it-twitter-ej_oilers

    I wonder if MacT trades Yak for him and Eriksson?

    SN had Eriksson on the block.

    Nice Seguin trade Chiarelli.

    Klefbom-Petry (toughs)
    Phaneuf-_____
    Marincin-Schultz

    wouldn’t be terrible. Don’t see a scenario where Petry walking leaves them anywhere but further in the gutter.

  88. Jigger says:

    I fear they are going to trade Yak for Subban and then LB beats him out and the Oil give up 2 NHL players for nothing. I could be wrong. But I might be right. Yak goes on to score a PPG for the next 12 yrs.

  89. flyfish1168 says:

    Woodguy,

    We maybe finally seeing pre-eakin happy Yak again. I hope to god MacT at least bridge him and see what he can do. It was ridiculous how he was handicapped by eakins and not having a consistent competent centerman. MacT has blood all over that one also. JMHO

    Good interview on Ralph Krueger, maybe others may want to see. Smart and humble JMHO

    http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/31506144

  90. spoiler says:

    I don’t get why the plan isn’t to sign Petry and then see if you can sign Boychuk.

    If you can’t sign Boychuk, you still have Petry.

    If you do sign Boychuk, are you trying to tell me Detroit will have lost interest in obtaining a hometown RHed Dman?

    And wouldn’t Petry with term be worth more?

    Isn’t that the safe, smart, conservative way to execute this manoeuvre? The way that protects your team the best?

    Is it that frigging important the draft pick be this year’s?

    Well, MacT?

  91. flyfish1168 says:

    Jigger:
    I fear they are going to trade Yak for Subban and then LB beats him out and the Oil give up 2 NHL players for nothing. I could be wrong. But I might be right. Yak goes on to score a PPG for the next 12 yrs.

    I can see Yak wanting revenge by running some soft Oilers. I believe Yak is the best hitter to go 1st overall in recent history.

  92. Gerta Rauss says:

    spoiler: Phaneuf also doesn’t play the right side as well as he plays the left

    I thought he preferred the right side, but I could be wrong.

  93. MrEd says:

    Your 15-16 Edmonton Oilers. (Sniffing the tea leaves)

    Hall-RNH-Ebs
    Pouliot-Roy-Yak
    Hendricks-Gordon-Klink
    Pakarinen-Lander-xxxxxx

    Klef-Jultz
    Nikiten-Fayne
    Ference-xxxxxxx

    Scrivens
    xxxxxxxx

    Purcell? Pitlick??

    Is this the plan? it fits the verbal.

    IMO. Nelson has to be the whisperer for this to be a productive season.

    P.S: Fill the blanks with cap space and I think there is a team here.

  94. LoDog says:

    Gerta Rauss,

    He has played mostly right in Toronto. Not sure which side he is “better” on.

  95. Bruce McCurdy says:

    MrEd,

    That looks an awful lot like your 14-15 Edmonton Oilers.

  96. Rondo says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    MrEd,

    That looks an awful lot like your 14-15 Edmonton Oilers.

    The similarities are different.

  97. spoiler says:

    Gerta Rauss: I thought he preferred the right side, but I could be wrong.

    He originally struggled when he was forced to the right side in Toronto. And then he struggled a bit when they moved him back to the left after playing the right side for so long. Breaking habits is hard to do.

    But IMO his problems began when he was moved over to the right by TO. I think the combination of expecting him to face hard minutes while playing his offside hasn’t been a good experiment with Dion.

    He has improved after spending seasons there, but I don’t think he ever reached his potential. Maybe the important thing is not to keep switching them around so their first instincts are always true.

  98. Gordies Elbow says:

    MrEd,

    You’re missing Braydon Coburn from your roster.

  99. teamblue says:

    What about Petry for Seidenberg? I haven’t seen Seidenberg play much this year and not sure if the injuries have hurt his play. He’s got a $4 mil for 3 years cap hit I think. RH, played on top pair with Chara. Is Chara carrying him? Gives Boston a dman to continue the playoff push this year, but alleviate cap hurt next year. Not sure what other moving pieces would have to be involved from either side. Kypreos has said Boston is open to moving him and Eriksson.

  100. godot10 says:

    spoiler: He originally struggled when he was forcedto the right side in Toronto.And then he struggled a bit when they moved him back to the left after playing the right side for so long.Breaking habits is hard to do.

    But IMO his problems began when he was moved over to the right by TO.I think the combination of expecting him to face hard minutes while playing his offside hasn’t been a good experiment with Dion.

    He has improved after spending seasons there, but I don’t think he ever reached his potential.Maybe the important thing is not to keep switching them around so their first instincts are always true.

    Except Phaneuf played mostly RD in Calgary.

    i.e. HIs first two seasons, he played RD with Roman Hamrlik as LD, on the 2nd pairing.

  101. Bling says:

    Woodguy: I’m not sure on Phanuef.

    Struggles in 1st pairing role, excels at 2nd pairing.

    Depends on how the Oilers would use him.

    Also,

    Matty with the requisite puff piece on Subban before the Oilers trade for him:

    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/touch/story.html?id=10821591&cid=dlvr.it-twitter-ej_oilers

    I wonder if MacT trades Yak for him and Eriksson?

    SN had Eriksson on the block.

    Nice Seguin trade Chiarelli.

    I don’t think a Yak to Boston trade makes sense.

    I’m a big fan and I think he is turning the corner, but he’s also a real wildcard who needs to be sheltered, and I don’t see how that kind of acquisition makes sense for a team jockeying for playoff position.

    If they’re trading Subban, IMO it’s for a definite upgrade that improves the team right now to put them over the hump.

    Gordon+Petry for Subban +?

  102. Hammers says:

    LT I respect your opinion but this going on and on regarding Petry is getting to be a bit much . Yea he is our best but still a 3-4 on most teams & a 4-5 on a great team . if I say what I think Klefbom has made greater strides than Petry did in his first 40 games and I think that’s all Petry will end up being is a 3-4 .The norm in this city has been the fans running “D” out of town with Poti maybe being one of the better but I have already accepted Petry leaving . Lets hope McT gets something worthwhile . As for dumping of McT and bringing in a new GM , means another 3-4 years because a new GM will dump players some of whom we the fans will scream about . Any new GM will want to structure his own team so I say give McT another year , that will be 3 summers .

  103. TheOtherJohn says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    MrEd,

    That looks an awful lot like your 14-15 Edmonton Oilers.

    The 29th place 14/15 Oiler at $65m

  104. Lowetide says:

    Hammers:
    LT I respect your opinion but this going on and on regarding Petry is getting to be a bit much .

    I’ll probably write about Petry pretty much daily until he is traded. Just want to give you fair warning.

  105. jp says:

    spoiler:
    I don’t get why the plan isn’t to sign Petry and then see if you can sign Boychuk.

    If you can’t sign Boychuk, you still have Petry.

    If you do sign Boychuk, are you trying to tell me Detroit will have lost interest in obtaining a hometown RHed Dman?

    And wouldn’t Petry with term be worth more?

    Isn’t that the safe, smart, conservative way to execute this manoeuvre? The way that protects your team the best?

    It is, if Petry is willing to sign for a reasonable number.

    I believe MacT is still smarting from that Gagner contract. He wasn’t sure if Sam was worth the cash, and it turned out he wasn’t. Now we have a boat anchor in Purcell. I think MacT is over compensating for past mistakes.

    Maybe MacT is this stupid and unable to correctly assess his own D corps, but I wonder if he knows from talks last summer exactly what it would take to re-sign Petry. And maybe he just isn’t willing to pay that (the “lack of recent contract talks” according to Petry’s agent could be all rhetoric). Or Petry could be absolutely set on leaving Edmonton/testing free agency.

    Otherwise I completely agree that re-signing Petry is the best move on all levels and shouldn’t preclude signing Boychuk.

    But as Willis said, sending Petry away at this point would be inexplicable, which is why I wonder if MacT has his hands tied on this in some way.

  106. spoiler says:

    godot10: Except Phaneuf played mostly RD in Calgary.

    i.e. HIs first two seasons, he played RD with Roman Hamrlik as LD, on the 2nd pairing.

    During the next three Calgary seasons, including his Norris year, he played LD alongside Aucoin. He was drafted as an LD… Jeff Woywitka played RD beside him at Red Deer. At the last World Championships he played at, he played LD. He moved to RD the last time for the Leafs to play alongside Gunnarsson when they had a plethora of LH shots, but once the Leafs had space back at LD again, they moved him back to LD.

    The point being, I think it is his better side. Seems his coaches agree. He can always line up on the right side for the PP, if it is more effective, and that’s his preference.

  107. spoiler says:

    jp:
    As Willis said, sending Petry away at this point would be inexplicable, which is why I wonder if MacT has his hands tied on this in some way.

    I’ve been thinking about Katz a lot lately and what “conduit to the owner” might really mean… as in “conduit for the owner”.

  108. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    spoiler: I’ve been thinking about Katz a lot lately and what “conduit to the owner” might really mean…as in “conduit for the owner”.

    The crazy could very well be coming from up high. Katz might be the Wang of the West!

  109. GCW_69 says:

    Woodguy: Even though he has KHL GMing experience he think he needs to be an assistant GM first in the NHL to learn?

    Wasn’t this the blog that argued MacT’s coaching experience (plus MBA) was enough?

  110. Kmart99 says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Klefbom-Petry (toughs)
    Phaneuf-_____
    Marincin-Schultz

    wouldn’t be terrible. Don’t see a scenario where Petry walking leaves them anywhere but further in the gutter.

    After half an ahl season next year:
    Klef-Petry
    Phaneuf-Nurse
    Marincin-Boychuk
    Fayne

    So what if I’ve just ignored Nikki and Ference and Jultz. That’s how speculation and fan dreaming works.
    Efff. Just make Petry a fucking offer. At least you can save face with your fans and say he wasn’t interested. Show some respect for us and at least go through the motions. To not even give Petty the chance to say no is so Oilers.

  111. Woodguy says:

    GCW_69: Wasn’t this the blog that argued MacT’s coaching experience (plus MBA)was enough?

    Making stuff up again to fit your narrative?

    If you can find quotes to that effect I’ll listen.

    A bunch of us here were MacT fans and very hopeful after the reign of error of Tambo.

    I don’t think we said “MBA, he’s ok!”

    Many of us are that educated (or more) and know exactly what it means,

  112. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy: Making stuff up again to fit your narrative?

    If you can find quotes to that effect I’ll listen.

    A bunch of us here were MacT fans and very hopeful after the reign of error of Tambo.

    I don’t think we said “MBA, he’s ok!”

    Many of us are that educated (or more) and know exactly what it means,

    The prevailing sentiment was… MacT has an interesting resume, he could be a very good GM, certainly it will be hard for him to do worse than Tambo, BUT, it would be better for him and the team if he was an AGM first under a seasoned hand, and it would be better if the team had an open competition for Tambo’s job.

  113. Hammers says:

    Lowetide: I’ll probably write about Petry pretty much daily until he is traded. Just want to give you fair warning.

    Then at least write about what teams he may go to and what we may get. Maybe that tells us value or your perceived value .

  114. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Hammers: Then at least write about what teams he may go to and what we may get. Maybe that tells us value or your perceived value .

    I think you’ll find he’s written about this subject extensively here and at ON.

  115. Woodguy says:

    GCW_69: Wasn’t this the blog that argued MacT’s coaching experience (plus MBA)was enough?

    Here I am referencing his expereince with Lowe’s unbaalnced rosters and hoping he had learned from it.

    https://lowetide.ca/2013/04/15/brand-new-day-5/comment-page-1/#comment-224466

    I was wrong.

    Damn.

    Hey here’s me saying the Oilers should pick up Grabbo as 2C and trade Gagner for a LD.

    https://lowetide.ca/2013/04/15/brand-new-day-5/comment-page-1/#comment-224507

  116. Hammers says:

    Woodguy: Making stuff up again to fit your narrative?

    If you can find quotes to that effect I’ll listen.

    A bunch of us here were MacT fans and very hopeful after the reign of error of Tambo.

    I don’t think we said “MBA, he’s ok!”

    Many of us are that educated (or more) and know exactly what it means,

    Many of us aren’t that educated but do at least have common sense . As for the MBA reference I like you don’t remember it being part of the idea that McT will be a good G.M. It ain’t over till the fat lady sings so don’t yet right off McT.

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  118. G Money says:

    When I see the list of rookie scoring, I don’t fret about RNH and Yakupov as players.

    Instead, what I ask myself is this:

    Why is it that RNH and Yak both started out as well or better than other first round picks (in fact, both RNH and Yak in their rookie seasons were better than Tavares in both his rookie AND sophomore seasons), and then went backward, while Hall went forward?

    Might we not consider that the Oiler development model (“throw them in the deep end” and “a rookie player deserves a rookie coach” and “you can only have one good defenseman, if you have two you have to get rid of one”) might have something to do with it?

    Is it a coincidence that Hall had a veteran C in Horcoff and a veteran coach in Renney and his development path looks normal, while Nuge and Yak got thrown into the shit storm to end all shit storms and look like they suffered?

    Just how resilient should we expect 1OV’s to be in the face of grotesque managerial incompetence?

  119. rickithebear says:

    Hammers: Many of us aren’t that educated but do at least have common sense .

    I hate this view!

    Any Work/Life Experience is education.

    Do not get me started on the conversation I had with the dean of my wifes college at Mount Allison last summer.

    He took that stance.

    We were leaving,
    I turned to him and said
    “no engineering, Medical, Law program?”
    “by education standards”
    “not a real university”

    I know Mount A has the highest rhodes scholar count!

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