FOR WHAT IT’S WORTH

The Edmonton Oilers have received some nice performances from young defensemen this season and some of these men (Oscar Klefbom, Justin Schultz) are likely here for the rest of the decade. Others, like Martin Marincin, are auditioning not just for the Oilers but the entire NHL, as the Oilers have only so much room for youngsters. Marincin has reached the 300-minute mark on the season and is 50.6% Corsi 5×5. That’s a good number and it’s hard to argue he’s the No. 7 option on this roster:

OILERS BLUE PLAYER CARD

PLAYER BOXCARS CORSI FOR % OZ STARTS 5X5 PER 60 EV TOI
ANDREW FERENCE 58, 2-9-11 45.5 40.5 0.60 17:37
KEITH AULIE 18, 0-0-0 45.6 41.5 0.00 12:26
MARK FAYNE 61, 2-5-7 45.9 43.2 0.33 15:27
JEFF PETRY 58, 4-11-15 49.1 43.4 0.59 18:13
MARTIN MARINCN 20, 0-1-1 50.4 45.5 0.19 16:13
NIKITA NIKITIN 34, 3-5-8 48.5 52.0 0.47 15:43
OSCAR KLEFBOM 39, 2-9-11 50.2 55.9 0.75 19:25
JUSTIN SCHULTZ 60, 4-18-22 50.7 63.5 0.85 18:57
JORDAN OESTERLE 1, 0-0-0 70.8 80.0 0.00 16:20

This is sorted by offensive zone start (from worst to first) and shows Marincin as the only defender with a sub 50% ZS who also delivers a Corsi for 5×5 at greater than 50%. It’s a little misleading—Jeff Petry is the star of this graph—but 20 games in young Marincin is in fact performing well enough to warrant more playing time. I’m bullish on this kid’s future but there are two things to discuss here:

  • The Oilers verbal (or lack of) in regard to the player when discussing the future
  • The Oilers recent track record in regard to evaluation of the defense

I think Martin Marincin could end up being a bizarre deadline pickup for an NHL team and it’s unlikely the cost would be dear. I don’t have much confidence in this organization’s ability to evaluate defensemen and the Jeff Petry issue is only part of the problem.

PETRY GONE?

  • Elliotte Friedman: There is no expectation that the Edmonton Oilers and defenceman Jeff Petry talk about a contract extension. Other teams would be shocked if Petry isn’t one of the moves. Source

The latest from Elliotte runs counter with what we’re hearing and it’s still likely Edmonton deals their best defender. There’s also a rumor that the Oilers are still planning on bringing in Johnny Boychuk for a boatload of cash in the summer (via Brooksie, here) so there are many legs to this story. Could this be the depth chart next season?

  • Klefbom—Schultz
  • Ference—Boychuk
  • Nikitin—Fayne

MacT could pick up some picks for Petry and Marincin to fuel his rebuild, send Nurse to the AHL and acquire a college free agent or two for the long run. I don’t believe this defensive six is any good at all but there’s not one damn chance Edmonton has Ference or Nikitin or Fayne outside the top six and Schultz is protected and we know it. So, among the kids Olscar Klefbom makes the grade, Darnell Nurse is in the minors with Jeff Petry and Martin Marincin likely down the road.

It’s all coming together!

OESTERLE

The young man looked solid solid to me, nice outlet passing and very little panic. Marincin and Oesterle in the lineup and Keith Aulie in the pressbox looked good from here, I wonder if we see those men in Minnesota this week? If Oesterle can play, it reduces the need to get immediate payback on Petry (the Oilers aren’t going to win many games after Petry leaves anyway) perhaps allowing for a higher draft pick.

  • Klefbom—Schultz
  • Marincin—Fayne
  • Ference—Oesterle

It also allows Edmonton to audition Marincin for the rest of the season on the off chance MacT changes his mind. I have to say it’s kind of depressing to contemplate this organization sending away Petry and Marincin while retaining Ference and Nikitin. Where on earth is this going to be viewed as moving forward?

Sign Jeff Petry. Today.

*Marincin photo by Rob Ferguson, all rights reserved. Statistical information via Hockeystats.ca, Behind the Net and NHL.com.

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  1. meanashell11 says:

    Once again it is as obvious to anyone with half a brain yet MacT sees different. If we lose both these guys for magic beans my patience will almost be exhausted. I have raised four Oiler fans 3000 miles from Edmonton for two decades, I have been a fan since they entered the league, I remember exactly where I was when they lost the first chance to the Islanders and exactly where I was when they won the following year. It is not a step forward, I do not care what MacT thinks.

  2. HBomb says:

    If that’s the plan for the defense next year, the plan involves Auston Matthews, apparently.

    Fire Craig MacTavish. Today. Before any further damage is done.

  3. 36 percent body fat says:

    How does he not see this team is better when Nikitin isnt playing.

  4. supernova says:

    Boychuk

    This could be a scary deal in terms of $$ and term.

    I like the player but he really doesn’t seem to me like he is a true top 2 or that he will be for a long period.

    Would rather pay more money on a short term for Petry.

    If the going rate is say $5 for 5 on Petry

    Would rather offer 5.75 for 2 and it allows Klefbom, Schultz and even Nurse to get some at bats while still not looked into a long contract.

    ——

    Although signing Boychuk might mean having to buy out NIkitin

  5. murray says:

    With Chicago’s cap crunch next year would they trade seabrook for marincin, horak and a 2nd round pick, 1st if he resigns. 8 know might not seem like a lot but 2 cheap roster players for with potential and a high pick would be helpful.

    I would also see if the Ottawa would trade Anderson or Toronto would trade Bernier for the pens 1st rounder.

  6. Gret99zky says:

    Where on earth is this going to be viewed as moving forward?

    11230 – 110 Street Edmonton, Alberta T5G 3H7 (near Kingsway)

  7. Gret99zky says:

    Isn’t it strange the local media and Oiler management is just recently reporting talks with the Petry camp have been on-going (for several weeks according to MacT) but the media out East is running a different story?

    Sounds like damage control to me.

  8. theres oil in virginia says:

    OT. I’ve calculated the standings as they would be with the old style scoring system:

    http://postimg.org/image/o23j92m7x/

    I like to see what effect the Bettman point really has on the races.

  9. HugThePost says:

    It must be season ticket renewal time……a time to let on that you’re making decisions based on a desire to win.

  10. Jamie says:

    Is there any ‘rules of thumb’ to assess CF and OZ starts, such as looking more at the differential between the two? For instance, is MM numbers any better than Ference really? Both have a CF that is 5% above their OZ starts, which seems to indicate that they are pushing the play in the right direction. Compare that to Klefbom who is getting all the accolades but has a negative differential.

    I don’t know the answer but CF seems to be the stat that is usually referenced and often without looking at OZ starts. This seems misleading to me.

  11. Gret99zky says:

    I’m sure MacT would argue the team is better “visually” in the last two games sans Petry.

    And they are improving 4GA vs. 2GA in the last two games as well.

    The losses are just a result of bad luck.

    Is Oesterle going to take his minutes?

    Really?

  12. frjohnk says:

    Could this be the depth chart next season?
    •Klefbom—Schultz
    •Ference—Boychuk
    •Nikitin—Fayne

    If it is, I don’t think its a bottom feeder D core. Here is why.

    I’d like to think that Klefbom and Schultz take another step forward in their development.
    I’d like to see a healthy Nikitin. A healthy Nikitin would be a huge arrow.
    Boychuk is an upgrade on Petry ( But I don’t think the gap between these two is much)
    I do think that Ference needs to be bought out.
    A Marincin Fayne D pair would be solid.

    This year up to date. Our team defense. All situations.

    Scoring Chances Against Per 60 is 21st in the league
    Shots Against Per 60 is 18th in the league

    Our team defense is just below league average when looking at those two metrics. I think if the projected D core as mentioned above is healthy, we could be close to an average D core.

    I said in the last post.
    Next year

    If we get great goaltending, we make the playoffs.
    If we get league average goaltending, we will battle for a playoff spot.
    If we get goaltending like 13-14 and 14-15 oilers goaltending, we battle for a lottery pick.

  13. Zack says:

    I’d like to quote Woodguy’s blog post here:
    http://becauseoilers.blogspot.ca/2015/02/if-craig-mactavish-does-what-he-says.html?m=1

    An article focusing on the potential defensive group next year. I shudder at the thought of next years possible parings and how they will most likely be playing over thier capabilities.

    It’s beating a dead horse but we need legitimate skilled veteran defensemen. Look at the growth of Dougie Hamilton who’s been paired with Chara, or Aaron Ekblad (Brain Campbell). Nevermind just mentoring these kids (Klef, Schultz, Marincin), imagine what it would do to this team if the forwards could recieve crisp passes as we move out of the defensive zone. Not to mention have some solid defensive play back there.

    I say if we are not in the McDavid/Eichel option at the draft, I really hope MacTavish wheighs his options for a potential deal. I’d imagine trading that 3/4th overall and packaging it with Marincin would garner a nice return.

  14. TheOtherJohn says:

    Simply do not see Boychuk signing in Edmonton. He can get paid similar money to play in an easier EC with relatively easy travel. So unless MacT tries to David Clarkson Boychuk noting MacT has already tried this, I see him resigning for 4-5 years ,most likely w NYI

    With the same defense less Petry plus Boychuk It’s unlikely we challenge for the playoffs

    Agree with FRJOHNK if we could replace Scrivens with Carey Price I think we could challenge for WC playoffs next year.

  15. Clarkenstein says:

    Lord help us if Jultz is here “for the rest of the decade”!! Is there a softer player in the NHL? A defenceman yet?? I would take “magic beans” for this bust. Another one.

  16. Woodguy says:

    Petry’s LHD mates with him, then without him.

    With Petry
    FERENCE, ANDREW 46.2
    KLEFBOM, OSCAR 52.8
    NIKITIN, NIKITA 50.7
    MARINCIN, MARTIN 58.1
    AULIE, KEITH 51.7

    Without Petry (assume easier minutes)
    FERENCE, ANDREW 43.8
    KLEFBOM, OSCAR 49.8
    NIKITIN, NIKITA 48.1
    MARINCIN, MARTIN 48.7
    AULIE, KEITH 44.6

    I think this makes it pretty clear that Ference is the single biggest issue on the Dcorps. (besides keeping Petry) (dumping Aulie was obvious the day he was signed: https://lowetide.ca/2014/07/01/oilers-sign-aulie/comment-page-1/#comment-324256)

    If we assume that Boychuck is in the bag, then the biggest issue (short term) is keeping Marincin and flushing Ference.

    If the pairs looked like this (sorted by TOI)

    Klef-Jultz
    Marincin – Boychuck
    Nikitin – Fayne

    That’s not nearly as awful.

    Klef-Jultz get all the ozone starts and get hidden when possible.
    2nd two pairs basically split the Dzone starts and tough comp.

    Probably not a playoff Dcorps, but not a disaster either.

    Money wise

    1MM-4MM
    1MM-6.5MM
    4.5MM-3.62MM
    Ference buyout 1.06MM

    $21.62MM

    If Boychuck is actually in the bag then it behooves MacT to move Ference, either via trade (retain up to $1MM in salary or buyout)

  17. Woodguy says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    Simply do not seeBoychuk signing in Edmonton. He can get paid similar money to play in an easier EC with relatively easy travel. So unless MacT tries to David Clarkson Boychuk noting MacT has already tried this, I see him resigning for 4-5 years ,most likelyw NYI

    With the same defense less Petry plus Boychuk It’s unlikelywe challenge for the playoffs

    Agree with FRJOHNK if we could replace Scrivens with Carey Price I think we could challenge for WC playoffs next year.

    There are rumours all over the place that he wants to move back West.

    LT showed than even the NY media has picked up on it.

    Boychuk lives in Edmonton in the summer.

    There are a lot of things that go into these decisions that aren’t hockey and travel related.

  18. Woodguy says:

    1MM-4MM
    1MM-6.5MM
    4.5MM-3.62MM
    Ference buyout 1.06MM
    $21.62MM

    The year after with Nikitin gone and Nurse on ELC it drops to 18MM

  19. blainer says:

    I remember when MacT took the job and said.. ” How I do will be judged on Merit”. He said he will stand by his decisions and that he understood that his job would hang in the balance of those decisions. Well.. here we are his job IS hanging on those very decisions. Not being able to assess players especially Defense at his level is down right perplexing to say the least. He will be gone next year as there WILL be a lot of empty seats. Bank on it… Too bad I like the guy..

  20. JohnnyRocket says:

    I have so little faith in this management team. There needs to be a dissenting voice in the room that prevents MacT from making these mistakes. Unfortunately there is a cloud of hubris allowing him to repeatedly go all in on terrible decisions again and again. It is so difficult to be a fan of this team. The community has kept me going (daily reader since 2005). I think it might be the sense of helplessness as a fan, watching the team make blatantly poor decisions, while the online blogging community sees these mistakes coming from afar. It is also hard seeing the team you deeply care for be openly mocked and pitied.
    I’m not sure if trading away their two best defence men at a time when our defense is our Achilles heel might be when I exit stage right. I have a great job, loving family, and good beer in the fridge. This team is literally the only stress I have on my life.
    If anyone has any ideas of constructive things we can do to help change the management of this team, let me know.

  21. Snowman says:

    I know Mact said Nurse in the minors. No way does that happen in my view. Mact said he had a list of attributes nurse had to have before joing the big club. Over two hundred pounds and dominating world juniors. My bet is he is here at least 40 games.

    Unless Boychuk takes a 3 or 4 year deal a contract at 6 per makes me ill. You would think Mact learned about signing aging eastern conference dmen with Ference. That contract will look awful in 3 years.

    This was a depressing post. Yeesh.

  22. Old School G says:

    It’s just so much easier to keep both Petry and Marincin though? (He thinks out loud) We would be way better off figuring out ways to keep these two, my take.

  23. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    Woodguy:
    Petry’s LHD mates with him, then without him.

    With Petry
    FERENCE, ANDREW46.2
    KLEFBOM, OSCAR52.8
    NIKITIN, NIKITA50.7
    MARINCIN, MARTIN58.1
    AULIE, KEITH51.7

    Without Petry (assume easier minutes)
    FERENCE, ANDREW 43.8
    KLEFBOM, OSCAR49.8
    NIKITIN, NIKITA48.1
    MARINCIN, MARTIN48.7
    AULIE, KEITH44.6

    I think this makes it pretty clear that Ference is the single biggest issue on the Dcorps. (besides keeping Petry) (dumping Aulie was obvious the day he was signed: https://lowetide.ca/2014/07/01/oilers-sign-aulie/comment-page-1/#comment-324256)

    If we assume that Boychuck is in the bag, then the biggest issue (short term) is keeping Marincin and flushing Ference.

    If the pairs looked like this (sorted by TOI)

    Klef-Jultz
    Marincin – Boychuck
    Nikitin – Fayne

    That’s not nearly as awful.

    Klef-Jultz get all the ozone starts and get hidden when possible.
    2nd two pairs basically split the Dzone starts and tough comp.

    Probably not a playoff Dcorps, but not a disaster either.

    Money wise

    1MM-4MM
    1MM-6.5MM
    4.5MM-3.62MM
    Ference buyout 1.06MM

    $21.62MM

    If Boychuck is actually in the bag then it behooves MacT to move Ference, either via trade (retain up to $1MM in salary or buyout)

    Hello. It behooves MacT to move Ference regardless. I think the right way to do it is a closed door discussion with the captain about a landing spot and having him waive his NMC and making it happen. A buyout is going to be the type of egg on their face that wouldn’t happen with this group of managers and also would sully Edmonton’s already bad reputation with agents and players.

  24. blainer says:

    Woodguy:

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    FOR WHAT IT’S WORTH

    22 Feb 2015

    by Lowetide ⋅ in mact, oilers 15-16, petry ⋅ 19 Comments
    ⋅ Tags: mact, marincin, oesterle, oilers 15-16, petry

    The Edmonton Oilers have received some nice performances from young defensemen this season and some of these men (Oscar Klefbom, Justin Schultz) are likely here for the rest of the decade. Others, like Martin Marincin, are auditioning not just for the Oilers but the entire NHL, as the Oilers have only so much room for youngsters. Marincin has reached the 300-minute mark on the season and is 50.6% Corsi 5×5. That’s a good number and it’s hard to argue he’s the No. 7 option on this roster:
    OILERS BLUE PLAYER CARD

    PLAYER
    BOXCARS
    CORSI FOR %
    OZ STARTS
    5X5 PER 60
    EV TOI

    ANDREW FERENCE
    58, 2-9-11
    45.5
    40.5
    0.60
    17:37

    KEITH AULIE
    18, 0-0-0
    45.6
    41.5
    0.00
    12:26

    MARK FAYNE
    61, 2-5-7
    45.9
    43.2
    0.33
    15:27

    JEFF PETRY
    58, 4-11-15
    49.1
    43.4
    0.59
    18:13

    MARTIN MARINCN
    20, 0-1-1
    50.4
    45.5
    0.19
    16:13

    NIKITA NIKITIN
    34, 3-5-8
    48.5
    52.0
    0.47
    15:43

    OSCAR KLEFBOM
    39, 2-9-11
    50.2
    55.9
    0.75
    19:25

    JUSTIN SCHULTZ
    60, 4-18-22
    50.7
    63.5
    0.85
    18:57

    JORDAN OESTERLE
    1, 0-0-0
    70.8
    80.0
    0.00
    16:20

    This is sorted by offensive zone start (from worst to first) and shows Marincin as the only defender with a sub 50% ZS who also delivers a Corsi for 5×5 at greater than 50%. It’s a little misleading—Jeff Petry is the star of this graph—but 20 games in young Marincin is in fact performing well enough to warrant more playing time. I’m bullish on this kid’s future but there are two things to discuss here:

    The Oilers verbal (or lack of) in regard to the player when discussing the future
    The Oilers recent track record in regard to evaluation of the defense

    I think Martin Marincin could end up being a bizarre deadline pickup for an NHL team and it’s unlikely the cost would be dear. I don’t have much confidence in this organization’s ability to evaluate defensemen and the Jeff Petry issue is only part of the problem.
    PETRY GONE?

    Eliotte Friedman: There is no expectation that the Edmonton Oilers and defenceman Jeff Petry talk about a contract extension. Other teams would be shocked if Petry isn’t one of the moves. Source

    The latest from Elliotte runs counter with what we’re hearing and it’s still likely Edmonton deals their best defender. There’s also a rumor that the Oilers are still planning on bringing in Johnny Boychuk for a boatload of cash in the summer (via Brooksie, here) so there are many legs to this story. Could this be the depth chart next season?

    Klefbom—Schultz
    Ference—Boychuk
    Nikitin—Fayne

    MacT could pick up some picks for Petry and Marincin to fuel his rebuild, send Nurse to the AHL and acquire a college free agent or two for the long run. I don’t believe this defensive six is any good at all but there’s not one damn chance Edmonton has Ference or Nikitin or Fayne outside the top six and Schultz is protected and we know it. So, among the kids Olscar Klefbom makes the grade, Darnell Nurse is in the minors with Jeff Petry and Martin Marincin likely down the road.
    It’s all coming together!
    OESTERLE
    The young man looked solid solid to me, nice outlet passing and very little panic. Marincin and Oesterle in the lineup and Keith Aulie in the pressbox looked good from here, I wonder if we see those men in Minnesota this week? If Oesterle can play, it reduces the need to get immediate payback on Petry (the Oilers aren’t going to win many games after Petry leaves anyway) perhaps allowing for a higher draft pick.

    Klefbom—Schultz
    Marincin—Fayne
    Ference—Oesterle

    It also allows Edmonton to audition Marincin for the rest of the season on the off chance MacT changes his mind. I have to say it’s kind of depressing to contemplate this organization sending away Petry and Marincin while retaining Ference and Nikitin. Where on earth is this going to be viewed as moving forward?
    Sign Jeff Petry. Today.
    *Marincin photo by Rob Ferguson, all rights reserved. Statistical information via Hockeystats.ca, Behind the Net and NHL.com.

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    19 Responses to “FOR WHAT IT’S WORTH”

    meanashell11 says:

    February 22, 2015 at 8:46 am

    Once again it is as obvious to anyone with half a brain yet MacT sees different. If we lose both these guys for magic beans my patience will almost be exhausted. I have raised four Oiler fans 3000 miles from Edmonton for two decades, I have been a fan since they entered the league, I remember exactly where I was when they lost the first chance to the Islanders and exactly where I was when they won the following year. It is not a step forward, I do not care what MacT thinks.

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    HBomb says:

    February 22, 2015 at 8:49 am

    If that’s the plan for the defense next year, the plan involves Auston Matthews, apparently.
    Fire Craig MacTavish. Today. Before any further damage is done.

    HBomb(Quote) (Reply)

    36 percent body fat says:

    February 22, 2015 at 8:50 am

    How does he not see this team is better when Nikitin isnt playing.

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    supernova says:

    February 22, 2015 at 8:51 am

    Boychuk
    This could be a scary deal in terms of $$ and term.
    I like the player but he really doesn’t seem to me like he is a true top 2 or that he will be for a long period.
    Would rather pay more money on a short term for Petry.
    If the going rate is say $5 for 5 on Petry
    Would rather offer 5.75 for 2 and it allows Klefbom, Schultz and even Nurse to get some at bats while still not looked into a long contract.
    ——
    Although signing Boychuk might mean having to buy out NIkitin

    supernova(Quote) (Reply)

    murray says:

    February 22, 2015 at 8:53 am

    With Chicago’s cap crunch next year would they trade seabrook for marincin, horak and a 2nd round pick, 1st if he resigns. 8 know might not seem like a lot but 2 cheap roster players for with potential and a high pick would be helpful.
    I would also see if the Ottawa would trade Anderson or Toronto would trade Bernier for the pens 1st rounder.

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    Gret99zky says:

    February 22, 2015 at 8:56 am

    Where on earth is this going to be viewed as moving forward?
    11230 – 110 Street Edmonton, Alberta T5G 3H7 (near Kingsway)

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    Gret99zky says:

    February 22, 2015 at 8:58 am

    Isn’t it strange the local media and Oiler management is just recently reporting talks with the Petry camp have been on-going (for several weeks according to MacT) but the media out East is running a different story?
    Sounds like damage control to me.

    Gret99zky(Quote) (Reply)

    theres oil in virginia says:

    February 22, 2015 at 8:59 am

    OT. I’ve calculated the standings as they would be with the old style scoring system:
    http://postimg.org/image/o23j92m7x/
    I like to see what effect the Bettman point really has on the races.

    theres oil in virginia(Quote) (Reply)

    HugThePost says:

    February 22, 2015 at 9:05 am

    It must be season ticket renewal time……a time to let on that you’re making decisions based on a desire to win.

    HugThePost(Quote) (Reply)

    Jamie says:

    February 22, 2015 at 9:06 am

    Is there any ‘rules of thumb’ to assess CF and OZ starts, such as looking more at the differential between the two? For instance, is MM numbers any better than Ference really? Both have a CF that is 5% above their OZ starts, which seems to indicate that they are pushing the play in the right direction. Compare that to Klefbom who is getting all the accolades but has a negative differential.
    I don’t know the answer but CF seems to be the stat that is usually referenced and often without looking at OZ starts. This seems misleading to me.

    Jamie(Quote) (Reply)

    Gret99zky says:

    February 22, 2015 at 9:07 am

    I’m sure MacT would argue the team is better “visually” in the last two games sans Petry.
    And they are improving 4GA vs. 2GA in the last two games as well.
    The losses are just a result of bad luck.
    Is Oesterle going to take his minutes?
    Really?

    Gret99zky(Quote) (Reply)

    frjohnk says:

    February 22, 2015 at 9:09 am

    Could this be the depth chart next season?
    •Klefbom—Schultz
    •Ference—Boychuk
    •Nikitin—Fayne
    If it is, I don’t think its a bottom feeder D core. Here is why.
    I’d like to think that Klefbom and Schultz take another step forward in their development.
    I’d like to see a healthy Nikitin. A healthy Nikitin would be a huge arrow.
    Boychuk is an upgrade on Petry ( But I don’t think the gap between these two is much)
    I do think that Ference needs to be bought out.
    A Marincin Fayne D pair would be solid.
    This year up to date. Our team defense. All situations.
    Scoring Chances Against Per 60 is 21st in the league
    Shots Against Per 60 is 18th in the league
    Our team defense is just below league average when looking at those two metrics. I think if the projected D core as mentioned above is healthy, we could be close to an average D core.
    I said in the last post.
    Next year
    If we get great goaltending, we make the playoffs.
    If we get league average goaltending, we will battle for a playoff spot.
    If we get goaltending like 13-14 and 14-15 oilers goaltending, we battle for a lottery pick.

    frjohnk(Quote) (Reply)

    Zack says:

    February 22, 2015 at 9:11 am

    I’d like to quote Woodguy’s blog post here:
    http://becauseoilers.blogspot.ca/2015/02/if-craig-mactavish-does-what-he-says.html?m=1
    An article focusing on the potential defensive group next year. I shudder at the thought of next years possible parings and how they will most likely be playing over thier capabilities.
    It’s beating a dead horse but we need legitimate skilled veteran defensemen. Look at the growth of Dougie Hamilton who’s been paired with Chara, or Aaron Ekblad (Brain Campbell). Nevermind just mentoring these kids (Klef, Schultz, Marincin), imagine what it would do to this team if the forwards could recieve crisp passes as we move out of the defensive zone. Not to mention have some solid defensive play back there.
    I say if we are not in the McDavid/Eichel option at the draft, I really hope MacTavish wheighs his options for a potential deal. I’d imagine trading that 3/4th overall and packaging it with Marincin would garner a nice return.

    Zack(Quote) (Reply)

    TheOtherJohn says:

    February 22, 2015 at 9:14 am

    Simply do not see Boychuk signing in Edmonton. He can get paid similar money to play in an easier EC with relatively easy travel. So unless MacT tries to David Clarkson Boychuk noting MacT has already tried this, I see him resigning for 4-5 years ,most likely w NYI
    With the same defense less Petry plus Boychuk It’s unlikely we challenge for the playoffs

    Agreed. I could live with this and having Nurse come up in Nikitin’s place after 40 games or so..

  25. Lowetide says:

    Snowman:
    I know Mact said Nurse in the minors. No way does that happen in my view. Mact said he had a list of attributes nurse had to have before joing the big club. Over two hundred pounds and dominating world juniors. My bet is he is here at least 40 games.

    Unless Boychuk takes a 3 or 4 year deal a contract at 6 per makes me ill. You would think Mact learned about signing aging eastern conference dmen with Ference. That contract will look awful in 3 years.

    This was a depressing post. Yeesh.

    This is me preparing you for the Petry trade. 🙁

  26. The Artist formerly known as "NYCOIL" says:

    frjohnk,

    Only two problems with your argument.

    1) With. 915 goaltending the Oilers would still have a negative goal differential of -23. Take away some empty netters, sure but that’s still 25th overall. The Oilers need to vastly improve their d in addition to goal.

    2) You’re banking on a healthy Nikitin. So he was injured last year and came to camp this year out of shape. You think a bad back and bad shoulder don’t have a chance to flare up again next year? You can’t bank on a healthy Nikitin. Get him off the IR, sit him the rest of this year so he is eligible for a buy out and buy him out.

  27. Ray says:

    Woodguy:
    1MM-4MM
    1MM-6.5MM
    4.5MM-3.62MM
    Ference buyout 1.06MM
    $21.62MM

    The year after with Nikitin gone and Nurse on ELC it drops to 18MM

    Klefbom will need more money by then, but the point still stands it would be a very affordable d core

  28. Pouzar says:

    Oesterle’s +10 Corsi rating paired with Ference is nothing short of amazing imo.
    What a debut.

  29. Gret99zky says:

    frjohnk,

    I like your optimism but there are a lot of “ifs”.

  30. eidy says:

    Zadorov suspended again by Buffalo. 6 ft 5. 220 lbs. I’d be interested. Russian too so then you can fire Nikitan into the sun and still meet the Ruskie quota

  31. verdad2.0 says:

    The last two nights of hockey in Edmonton were disgraceful.
    MacTavish and Lowe have only had nine years to find a competitive team, and yet they appear further and further away from it.
    The number one priority for the Oilers organization is the immediate dismissal of MacTavish, like tomorrow.
    Lowetide, you have a major media outlet use it. Generate a clamor that this incompetent isn’t allowed to bungle the next week.
    With unanimous blogosphere contempt and disdain for MacTavish mabye some action can salvage something out of this season.

    It is monstrous what Oiler fans have had to endure. There seems to be no accountability or remorse in the mind of MacTavish. Is there no shame?

    The Ducks must have so enjoyed seeing the utter loser Justin Schultz put the winning goal into his net last night. Of course, Scrivens is an even bigger loser for not holding on to the lame shot better to begin with. And worst of is MacTavish to have either one of them playing in the NHL.

    One other point that should be confronted. Nugent Hopkiins is massively overrated. Look at the non performance of the last two nights. Nothing. Aimlessness and ineffectuality.
    A real GM would recognize this and deal him when real value might be coming back.
    No real number one center gets owned in his own rink in back to back nights.
    Doesn’t happen if you are legitimate.

    Lastly, Yakupov’s re-emergence is another obvious indictment of Eakins. Stop rationalizing for this Ahab. He made everything worse. The only person is ever impressed is the bumbler MacTavish.

    It will be so painful to see competent defensemen like Marincin and Petry given away for nothing this week.

    We should not stand for it. Rexall is either be empty for the rest of the season or llitterred with Oiler jerseys on the ice.

  32. Woodguy says:

    Jamie:
    Is there any ‘rules of thumb’ to assess CF and OZ starts, such as looking more at the differential between the two?For instance, is MM numbers any better than Ference really? Both have a CF that is 5% above their OZ starts, which seems to indicate that they are pushing the play in the right direction.Compare that to Klefbom who is getting all the accolades but has a negative differential.

    I don’t know the answer but CF seems to be the stat that is usually referenced and often without looking at OZ starts.This seems misleading to me.

    Excellent point.

    Stats.hockeyanalysis.com has a 5v5 Zone adjusted numbers to account for ZS.

    You should also account for game state and use score adjusted metrics where possible.

  33. wheatnoil says:

    One problem with Boychuk… this year on Long Island…

    Boychuk with Leddy: 58.3% corsi
    Boychuk without Leddy: 48.2% corsi
    Leddy without Boychuk: 54.3%

    There’s probably more to this story. Have to go for now, but I’ll try to dig into it later (competition, zone starts together & apart, etc) but Boychuk has played pretty much the whole season with Leddy. We’ll have to look at previous years in Boston to see how this compares.

  34. Pouzar says:

    verdad2.0,

    Yeah last’s night game was a travesty.

  35. verdad2.0 says:

    Boychuk is a worse defenseman than Petry.
    Would anyone dispute that?

    Petry is competent playing with garbage. Boychuk was propped up by team-mates.
    Only MacTavish seems to not get this distinction.

  36. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Let’s stipulate that Boychuk is an improvement over Petry for the sake of argument.

    He’s 31 now. Let’s say you sign him 6 years.

    Are his 32-37 year old seasons going to be, on average, better than Petry’s 28-33 year old seasons?

    I think this has been broached here before, but it bears a real hashing out.

    I’m more concerned about age here than I am about the cap differential between the two (assuming Boychuk goes long at c. 6+ per and Petry goes long at c. 5+ per).

    Of course, the situation of comparing the two directly is a bit forced.

  37. Woodguy says:

    Pouzar:
    Oesterle’s +10 Corsi rating paired with Ference is nothing short of amazing imo.
    What a debut.

    He had a great 1st game.

    Heavily sheltered and 80% OZS helped too.

  38. Halfwise says:

    verdad2.0,

    > unanimous blogosphere contempt and disdain

    You have personal experience with these concepts, I am sure.

    You have the same tired adjectives, the same pomposity, every time you put in an appearance here.

    It’s old. You add nothing.

    Please get your own blog. Fill it with your incomparable expressions. As I’ve said before, I will waste no time getting over there to read it.

  39. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy: He had a great 1st game.

    Heavily sheltered and 80% OZS helped too.

    Oh definitely.

  40. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Who wants to raise the “prospects don’t develop in a straight line” specter re: Klefbom?

  41. Gret99zky says:

    Snowman:
    I know Mact said Nurse in the minors. No way does that happen in my view. Mact said he had a list of attributes nurse had to have before joing the big club. Over two hundred pounds and dominating world juniors. My bet is he is here at least 40 games.

    Unless Boychuk takes a 3 or 4 year deal a contract at 6 per makes me ill. You would think Mact learned about signing aging eastern conference dmen with Ference. That contract will look awful in 3 years.

    This was a depressing post. Yeesh.

    I agree we see Nurse sooner rather than later. MacT can’t help himself. (see Draisaitl, Leon)

    Also, I can see Boychuk making north of $6M per season. But if he wants to be here and he spends his summers here then the fans should probably overlook the overpay and any under-performance that might ensue.

  42. eidy says:

    Woodguy,

    Helps Ferrence too. Not to do anything offensively, but to limit what he does in the D zone. decreasing 21’s minutes to 15 also helps the oilers

    If they would eat 1 million of Ferrence’s contract, I bet they would get a decent pick. With all that playoff experience, there would be GM’s interested. Well you only need one crazy GM to make the deal

  43. speeds says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”: Hello. It behooves MacT to move Ference regardless. I think the right way to do it is a closed door discussion with the captain about a landing spot and having him waive his NMC and making it happen. A buyout is going to be the type of egg on their face that wouldn’t happen with this group of managers and also would sully Edmonton’s already bad reputation with agents and players.

    It’s sometimes said that a buyout would sully the reputation, but is it not worth considering that the exact opposite may be the case?

    Maybe players want to play for a team they believe will do everything they can to win, where if a player doesn’t perform, well, out the door and bring in someone who does perform, vs. a team they perceive as playing favorites with some players, or unwilling to make the hard choices*?

    *Not saying players think that about Edmonton, I have no idea what their perception is other than it stands to reason that all else equal one would prefer to play for a team that’s competitive in a city with warmer weather.

  44. verdad2.0 says:

    Halfwise,

    My critique happens to be right even if you won’t acknowledge it.
    MacTavish is an incompetent. Enyoy him making the team worse this week.
    All the other issues around the Oilers are secondary until he is removed.

    Be constructive and lend support to a groundswell of public demand for his removal.

    You may find me repetitive but he sitll has a job.

    Did you watch the last two nights? A disgrace. No team with the support this team gets should subject its fans to that garbage.

    If there was something more important to disucss , I would discuss it.
    There isn’t.

  45. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Who wants to raise the “prospects don’t develop in a straight line” specter re: Klefbom?

    Man, he’s the exception isn’t he?

  46. frjohnk says:

    The Artist formerly known as “NYCOIL”:
    frjohnk,

    Only two problems with your argument.

    1) With. 915 goaltending the Oilers would still have a negative goal differential of -23. Take away some empty netters, sure but that’s still 25th overall. The Oilers need to vastly improve their d in addition to goal.

    2) You’re banking on a healthy Nikitin. So he was injured last year and came to camp this year out of shape. You think a bad back and bad shoulder don’t have a chance to flare up again next year? You can’t bank on a healthy Nikitin. Get him off the IR, sit him the rest of this year so he is eligible for a buy out and buy him out.

    For your first point, I think we are both are making the mistake of not incorporating a better offense, from a better coached team.

    With Eakins 2.06 goals per game.
    With Nelson 2.36 goals per game

    And continued growth from Yak, ( hopefully he has a good 2 line C next year) Lander, RNH,
    a healthy Eberle, Hall, Pouliot

    We have had awful shooting percentage this year. ( 3rd worst) I expect we would score more goals next year. This should be a league average team offensively speaking.

    As for Nikitin, Id rather roll the dice on him than Ference. I think if the Oilers do use 1 buy out, it wouldn’t be him. Buy out Ference and hope that Nikitin can stay healthy. If not LTIR and then he is gone in the spring. I’d like to see a healthy Nikitin.

    That projected D core with Boychuk, would in my mind be an upgrade from this year’s d core which was 21st in scoring chances against/60 and 18th in shots against/60. Not far from league average.

    Along with an average offense, it will all come down to goaltending if we become a playoff team

  47. G Money says:

    verdad2.0: One other point that should be confronted. Nugent Hopkiins is massively overrated. Look at the non performance of the last two nights. Nothing. Aimlessness and ineffectuality.

    You know, your ravings on MacT are amusing. Pointless but amusing.

    But as far as the Nuge goes: fuck off.

    You want to know why the Nuge is starting to wear down?

    Because the team played its 9th game in 15 nights, not to mention the classic third in four. And do you know where Nuge sits in terms of TOI per game for this team for F?

    #1.

    Do you know where he sits in the league for TOI per game for F?

    #1.

    That means he’s played more NHL hockey than any other forward in the last two weeks. Likely more hockey than any other forward in pro hockey in any league in the last two weeks.

    At the age of 21.

    And you’re ragging on him for looking tired?

    Fuck off.

  48. Woodguy says:

    wheatnoil:
    One problem with Boychuk… this year on Long Island…

    Boychuk with Leddy: 58.3% corsi
    Boychuk without Leddy: 48.2% corsi
    Leddy without Boychuk: 54.3%

    There’s probably more to this story. Have to go for now, but I’ll try to dig into it later (competition, zone starts together & apart, etc) but Boychuk has played pretty much the whole season with Leddy. We’ll have to look at previous years in Boston to see how this compares.

    There’s only 77 minutes of Boychuck without Leddy so small samples can do strange things.

    Here’s Boychuk’s TOI mates and CF% away from Leddy::

    HICKEY, THOMAS 19:13 46.9%
    DE_HAAN, CALVIN 17:47 48.7%
    STRAIT, BRIAN 17:45 45.9%
    POULIN, KEVIN 14:23 56.7%
    HAMONIC, TRAVIS 13:54 23.8%
    VISNOVSKY, LUBOMIR 11:40 66.7%

    The 13 minutes with Hamonic seems to be throwing everything for a loop. What a bizarre results from two good players.

    Boychuk’s numbers in BOS were good without Chara. Unsure of type of comp faced without Chara.

    Sometimes Chara was in the line up, sometimes not.

  49. Halfwise says:

    verdad2.0:
    Halfwise,

    My critique happens to be right even if you won’t acknowledge it.
    MacTavish is an incompetent. Enyoy him making the team worse this week.
    All the other issues around the Oilers are secondary until he is removed.

    Be constructive and lend support to a groundswell of public demand for his removal.

    You may find me repetitive but he sitll has a job.

    Did you watch the last two nights? A disgrace. No team with the support this team gets should subject its fans to that garbage.

    If there was something more important to disucss , I would discuss it.
    There isn’t.

    I have never disagreed with you.

    I have always criticized your style.

    If you expect others to listen to you, perhaps you should listen to them.

  50. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: Man, he’s the exception isn’t he?

    He’s had few games in the 35%CF range lately as the comp increased.

    Not as noticeable when the whole team is shite.

  51. smellyglove says:

    Boychuk at $6m and term in Edmonton?

    I can see the future: MacT’s satisfied grin at the announcement presser and, later, the torch and pitchfork baring fans as they march to Boychuk’s house after a Ference-like season.

    I’ve seen this movie before!

  52. Woodguy says:

    speeds: It’s sometimes said that a buyout would sully the reputation, but is it not worth considering that the exact opposite may be the case?

    Maybe players want to play for a team they believe will do everything they can to win, where if a player doesn’t perform, well, out the door and bring in someone who does perform, vs. a team they perceive as playing favorites with some players, or unwilling to make the hard choices*?

    *Not saying players think that about Edmonton, I have no idea what their perception is other than it stands to reason that all else equal one would prefer to play for a team that’s competitive in a city with warmer weather.

    This.

    Players know who is good and who isn’t.

    Probably better than anyone else.

    They see a team offload an anchor to help them win and that’s a good thing.

  53. Auston Matthews '16 says:

    G Money: At the age of 21.
    And you’re ragging on him for looking tired?
    Fuck off.

    I’ll have you know, that he is 21 and 5/6ths!

    ; )

  54. Woodguy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Let’s stipulate that Boychuk is an improvement over Petry for the sake of argument.

    He’s 31 now. Let’s say you sign him 6 years.

    Are his 32-37 year old seasons going to be, on average, better than Petry’s 28-33 year old seasons?

    I think this has been broached here before, but it bears a real hashing out.

    I’m more concerned about age here than I am about the cap differential between the two (assuming Boychuk goes long at c. 6+ per and Petry goes long at c. 5+ per).

    Of course, the situation of comparing the two directly is a bit forced.

    That’s the bogey.

    My crystal ball says:

    First 2 years Boychuck is better or very close

    Petry then wins the next 5 years hands down.

    Boychuk is a physical D and they tend to fall off the cliff.

    Predicting the cliff is the hard part for individual cases.

  55. Woodguy says:

    eidy:
    Woodguy,

    Helps Ferrence too.Not to do anything offensively, but to limit what he does in the D zone.decreasing 21’s minutes to 15 also helps the oilers

    If they would eat 1 million of Ferrence’s contract, I bet they would get a decent pick.With all that playoff experience, there would be GM’s interested.Well you only need one crazy GM to make the deal

    When it comes to signing/trading for old ineffective D with good reputations the NHL GMs as a whole are hilariously predictable.

    Someone would take him.

  56. frjohnk says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Let’s stipulate that Boychuk is an improvement over Petry for the sake of argument.

    He’s 31 now. Let’s say you sign him 6 years.

    Are his 32-37 year old seasons going to be, on average, better than Petry’s 28-33 year old seasons?

    I think this has been broached here before, but it bears a real hashing out.

    I’m more concerned about age here than I am about the cap differential between the two (assuming Boychuk goes long at c. 6+ per and Petry goes long at c. 5+ per).

    Of course, the situation of comparing the two directly is a bit forced.

    Good points.

    Ive ran a bunch of numbers. Which show Petry is a good 3, Boychuk a good 2. Of course its up for debate who is better because the gap is not much, but I would say that right now Boychuk > Petry.

    Maybe two years from now Boychuk =Petry
    And then after that Petry>Boychuk

    But Boychuk is MOAR BIGGER
    so of course we have to target him

    But his age especially at the end of a long contract could be a hinderance, if we signed Petry we wouldn’t have that issue.

  57. verdad2.0 says:

    G Money,

    When an organization can’t make the right judgements early about players it suffers badly.
    Look at the endless tragegy of Gagner. He never go better. But the Oilers could have traded him earlier for real value.

    Nugent Hopkins doesn’t get a pass because of the schedule. None of his peers do. That is ridiculouls.

    Look at his Cult of Hockey attributed post game scores this year, barely above 5 on average. That is not what is to be expectded from a first line center.

    Being open to moving him can’t be dismissed by the Oilers.

    Will he ever scored over 50 points in a season?

  58. Woodguy says:

    Before I finishing pushing Ference off the cliff I did note this in my blog post about the Oilers D:

    Ference may do ok with actual 3rd pairing minutes. He should have been there since they signed him.

    Oseterle and Ference were sheltered and got 80% OZS last night and both turned in 67-70% CF%.

    ANA was tired (their 3rd in 4 too), but its there.

    He’s been playing as a 2/3 since he got here and maybe that’s unfair to him.

    Perhaps as a 6/7 he can be ok?

    Problem is that MacT Dman depth has demanded he be deployed as a 2/3.

    Maybe not next year.

  59. Lowetide says:

    verdad2.0:
    G Money,

    Will he ever scored over 50 points in a season?

    Do you mean ‘again’?

  60. Gret99zky says:

    verdad2.0,

    In fairness to LT, despite-his-optimistic-to-a-fault persona, he has legitimately expressed concern about MacT’s ability to right the ship. Especially in regards to assessing the defensive corps(e).

    And I honestly believe MacT reads this blog.

    A lot of what is posted on this blog begins to materialize on the big club. (Chabot, Draisaitl, Marincin, Petry negotioations, etc.)

    The problem is MacT has dial up internet and so it usually doesn’t happen until about 8-12 weeks after it’s been posted.

  61. Woodguy says:

    verdad2.0,

    Will he ever scored over 50 points in a season?

    He’s had 2 seasons over 50pts already.

    LT, can you ban this troll, he wrecks pretty good threads with his idiocy.

  62. G Money says:

    Woodguy,

    Yeah, 77 minutes worth of CF tells you pretty much nothing.

    Moreso for a defender, where the CF has so many complicating factors that weakens the association between effectiveness and CF.

  63. John Chambers says:

    smellyglove:
    Boychuk at $6m and term in Edmonton?

    I can see the future: MacT’s satisfied grin at the announcement presser and, later, the torch and pitchfork baring fans as they march to Boychuk’s house after a Ference-like season.

    I’ve seen this movie before!

    MacT has shown to have an oblivious understanding of the impact of age on a players productive ability.

    Ference was too old to commit to a 4-year contract / Kraftwerk was too young to be depended on in his role / Petry is entering the prime of his career and will be jettisoned. Smart management is about forecasting what the players will deliver in current season and the seasons ahead over the duration of the contract.

    I fear big dollars going to Boychuk and Niemi based on Stanley Cups won in 2011 and 2010.

  64. leadfarmer says:

    Halfwise,

    He does have his own blog. It’s just very quiet there

  65. RexLibris says:

    Arizona plays New Jersey Monday.

    Arizona has lost 5 straight, Jersey has won 3 in a row.

    I wonder if the slide continues of if the Coyotes can win one there.

  66. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy: Lowetide: Man, he’s the exception isn’t he?
    He’s had few games in the 35%CF range lately as the comp increased.
    Not as noticeable when the whole team is shite.

    Klefbom has, of course, already had a pretty uneven development path when you consider the multiple injuries he’s suffered and the length of their impact at critical development times.

    But, over the past two seasons, moving from OKC to EDM, he has looked like an exception… smooth transition.

    It’s all too perfect. Me thinks we might see a hiccup next season at some point that could surprise those too confident in his progress… That hiccup could even come in the form of a concussion, or typhus.

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  68. leadfarmer says:

    There is no reason to get down on a 21 year old for lack of production, or anyone younger. You actually shouldnt count on them producing and if they do consider that a bonus. Young players battle inconsistency and they have a lot to learn from playing the game. Now Verdad go troll the Avalanche blogs about Duchene, Landeskog, and MacKinnon all in danger of not reaching 50 points.

  69. thejonrmcleod says:

    So how do we explain the Oilers–with that lineup–winning the Corsi battle (55.56% at even strength)?

    If the Oilers had dressed an optimal lineup (with Petry et al) and done the same, we’d day, “This is what happens when you play your best players!”

  70. leadfarmer says:

    But Im sure in Dead cat bounce world all these players have peaked

  71. Lois Lowe says:

    I, too, am mad at everything. Let’s derail this thread and talk more about my feelings.

  72. G Money says:

    Woodguy: ANA was tired (their 3rd in 4 too), but its there.
    He’s been playing as a 2/3 since he got here and maybe that’s unfair to him.
    Perhaps as a 6/7 he can be ok?

    I have several soft throw-at-TV objects labelled with Ference’s name …

    That said, e know this to be a universal truth about Our Edmonton Oilers: we play too many players too far up the lineup with too little Actual NHL Player support (in other words, the rest of their line/D mates are usually also playing too high up the lineup, and often too high a league).

    When Ference was signed, there was reason to believe he was, when paired with another Actual NHL D man, an effective 4/5 D man on a much better team.

    Here, he’s not just been a 2/3, based on TOI there have been nights where he has been the de facto 1D.

    And the only Actual NHL D man he’s been paired with is Petry, and looked OK. For 7 or 8 games worth, he’s been with Jultz, with expectedly awful results.

    So to some extent, ragging on Ference for his poor CF% without Petry is a bit of an inevitability, since almost every non-dreamy D has sub-par results without Petry because they are now paired with each other instead of Petry.

    (This is no doubt why Kingsway felt that Petry was not a priority to sign. Because he’s their best D and makes everyone else look better, so trade him.)

    Ference as #6 with a reasonably capable #5 (i.e. someone capable of playing in the NHL at the 5D spot, not Aulie) likely is fine for a team striving to be on the playoff bubble next year.

  73. Eustace Matthews '16 says:

    Lois Lowe:
    I, too, am mad at everything. Let’s derail this thread and talk more about my feelings.

    Well at least you don’t have irritable vowel syndrome!

  74. RexLibris says:

    If the plan is to move Petry for picks/prospect and then sign Boychuk at high money/short term, similar to Nikitin, then so be it.

    I don’t like it, but I think Boychuk probably is a more capable defender than Petry at this moment.

    As noted above, Petry wins in the long-term and sending him out now to replace with Boychuk is only fixing a problem of management’s own making when they failed to sign him this summer instead focusing on Niktin.

    The Oilers are going to need someone on the blueline next year to help stabilize Klefbom because, and this may come as a shock, he isn’t likely to be able to go into next season with the poise of a 15 year veteran. Petry could help Klefbom. Boychuk could help Schultz. Ference could assist Marincin. This would be a responsible way to usher new and developing young defensemen into the NHL and ensure organizational success.

    Suter is paired with Brodin. Weber with Jones. Hamilton with Chara and others. The experienced help to educate and develop the new. We’re seeing it with Derek Roy and Yakupov and Nail is glowing in how much he has appreciated it.

  75. G Money says:

    thejonrmcleod: So how do we explain the Oilers–with that lineup–winning the Corsi battle (55.56% at even strength)?

    As mentioned earlier, the Ducks were also on a scheduled loss night (3rd in 4), so presumably the sawoff is that the Oilers have been at home and the Ducks on the road. Two tired teams makes for slow hockey.

    It’s also been an interesting shift of late that (to my eyes anyway) the Oilers are now starting to more consistently play to the level of their opposition – down for e.g. TO, up for e.g. NYI, asleep for e.g. MIN.

    Presumably because that’s because the guys most able to dictate play in the o zone (Hall) and in the d zone (Petry) are both out.

  76. Woodguy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Klefbom has, of course, already had a pretty uneven development path when you consider the multiple injuries he’s suffered and the length of their impact at critical development times.

    But, over the past two seasons, moving from OKC to EDM, he has looked like an exception… smooth transition.

    It’s all too perfect. Me thinks we might see a hiccup next season at some point that could surprise those too confident in his progress… That hiccup could even come in the form of a concussion, or typhus.

    Or having to face 1st and 2nd toughs every night with Julz as his flanker…….

    Not sure if I chose that over typhus if I’m him.

  77. Woodguy says:

    Wait!

    Is Verdad2.0 actually DSF?

    Writing doesn’t quite seem the same.

    Not nearly as much Wellwood as I’d expect too….

  78. RexLibris says:

    So the gist of this article today is:

    Todd Nelson must be stopped!

    Exeunt Marincin and Petry stage left

    Craig’s on it.

  79. Halfwise says:

    Eustace Matthews ’16: Well at least you don’t have irritable vowel syndrome!

    I laughed at this.

  80. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy:
    Wait!

    Is Verdad2.0 actually DSF?

    Writing doesn’t quite seem the same.

    Not nearly as much Wellwood as I’d expect too….

    HA, bringing back the Kyle Wellwood.

    I’d forgotten about that pearl of wisdom.

  81. haters says:

    Stay away from a Boychuck and anyone with Paneouf on his jersey. SIGN PETRY.
    D corps take time to develop but based on what I’ve seen the last few weeks ours is percolating nicely.
    In a couple years I hope we can look back with Joe Leggalia Nurse and Osterle playing well with Petry MM and Shultz, and say yes it was hard but here we are, we made it.

    It’s always darkest before the dawn gents.

  82. Halfwise says:

    Lois Lowe:
    I, too, am mad at everything. Let’s derail this thread and talk more about my feelings.

    Well, enough about me, let’s talk about you.

    How do YOU feel about my feelings?

  83. G Money says:

    verdad2.0: Will he ever scored over 50 points in a season?

    MacT has done some good things, but his overall performance justifies his firing.

    I’ve heard very few people defend MacT to a greater extent than that, and this is a blog with a fairly healthily wide variety of opinions.

    Your rantings are mindless and divorced from reality in both your assessment of the situation and the extent to which you think you will have an influence.

    You are a mob of 1. If MacT is government policy, you are Sarah Palin.

    And the fact that you don’t even know Nuge’s point history suggests that your opinions on players are just as ignorantly polarized as your opinions on anything else.

    I’ll tell you one thing: if someone with your viewpoint is so loudly and knee jerkingly for MacT’s firing, it sure is making me reconsider my assessments on the situation, in a pro-MacT light.

  84. Eustace Matthews '16 says:

    G Money: You are a mob of 1. If MacT is government policy, you are Sarah Palin.

    ROFL!

  85. HiddenDarts says:

    Woodguy: ban this troll

    This times a thousand!

    Although I will admit that now that his posts are getting longer winded, they are much easier to skip without reading.

  86. Gret99zky says:

    LT, can you ban this troll, he wrecks pretty good threads with his idiocy.

    I’m okay with anyone who posts here.

    I agree his style needs to change.

    Say you like K-Mart and watch the People Court.

    But definitely don’t say “400 Oak Street, Cincinnati, Ohio” 500 times.

  87. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy:
    Wait!

    Is Verdad2.0 actually DSF?

    Writing doesn’t quite seem the same.

    Not nearly as much Wellwood as I’d expect too….

    He’s far to complimentary of Petry to be DSF.

  88. verdad2.0 says:

    leadfarmer,

    Just remember the Gagner experience!

  89. haters says:

    Woodguy:
    Petry’s LHD mates with him, then without him.

    With Petry
    FERENCE, ANDREW46.2
    KLEFBOM, OSCAR52.8
    NIKITIN, NIKITA50.7
    MARINCIN, MARTIN58.1
    AULIE, KEITH51.7

    Without Petry (assume easier minutes)
    FERENCE, ANDREW 43.8
    KLEFBOM, OSCAR49.8
    NIKITIN, NIKITA48.1
    MARINCIN, MARTIN48.7
    AULIE, KEITH44.6

    I think this makes it pretty clear that Ference is the single biggest issue on the Dcorps. (besides keeping Petry) (dumping Aulie was obvious the day he was signed: https://lowetide.ca/2014/07/01/oilers-sign-aulie/comment-page-1/#comment-324256)

    If we assume that Boychuck is in the bag, then the biggest issue (short term) is keeping Marincin and flushing Ference.

    If the pairs looked like this (sorted by TOI)

    Klef-Jultz
    Marincin – Boychuck
    Nikitin – Fayne

    That’s not nearly as awful.

    Klef-Jultz get all the ozone starts and get hidden when possible.
    2nd two pairs basically split the Dzone starts and tough comp.

    Probably not a playoff Dcorps, but not a disaster either.

    Money wise

    1MM-4MM
    1MM-6.5MM
    4.5MM-3.62MM
    Ference buyout 1.06MM

    $21.62MM

    If Boychuck is actually in the bag then it behooves MacT to move Ference, either via trade (retain up to $1MM in salary or buyout)

    Couldn’t agree more , suprisingly. Unfortunately I don’t think this sane well thought out plan goes forward with MacT in the picture. Nothing is more dangerous than a person that feels backed into a corner and I feel very anxious if MacT still has excucitive control to make moves before his dismissal this spring . I hope the only thing he has mandate to do is to sign Petry if the money is reasonable .

  90. verdad2.0 says:

    G Money,

    But he is employed.
    So it isn’t ranting. It is actually the most constructive advice.

  91. sesame_oil says:

    verdad2.0,

    I agree with pretty much everything you said. Mct should be fired for hiring Eakins and still believing it was the right choice. Eakins set the oilers back two years , the effect is right up there with losing pronger but this was self inflicted .

    As for rnh, he is not a first line center and is overrated, more of a second line center that is inconsistent offense . From time to time he shows flashs of speed on the outside but does not use it. Not sure about moving him though, he will get better with age but mgmt is paying him like a top line center when they did not need to.

  92. Unicorns says:

    theres oil in virginia:
    OT.I’ve calculated the standings as they would be with the old style scoring system:

    http://postimg.org/image/o23j92m7x/

    I like to see what effect the Bettman point really has on the races.

    That’s interesting, thanks for posting that. It seems the B point mostly condenses the point spread as opposed to much of a difference in position.

  93. Lowetide says:

    The talk of Nuge being a bust or poor is silly. Those who state it are showing gross stupidity or attempting to troll. Either way, please move your bullshit down the street. Thanks.

  94. Unicorns says:

    By LT’s chart, Ference is the best D on the team, highest points for hard minutes D, CF% is reasonable given usage and TOI. He’s a beauty. MacT is right.

  95. haters says:

    Lowetide:
    The talk of Nuge being a bust or poor is silly. Those who state it are showing gross stupidity or attempting to troll. Either way, please move your bullshit down the street. Thanks.

    Imagine when he’s like 25-28. It’s gonna be fun to watch.

  96. GCW_69 says:

    Gret99zky: (for several weeks according to MacT)

    MacT chose his words carefully. He said they had been in contact for several weeks. He did not say they had been negotiating. In contact could easily have been Petry’s agent calling and saying, “are you sure you don’t want to put an offer in the table?” and MacT responding, “no”.

  97. haters says:

    sesame_oil:
    verdad2.0,

    I agree with pretty much everything you said. Mct should be fired for hiring Eakins and still believing it was the right choice. Eakins set the oilers back two years , the effectis right up there with losing pronger but this was self inflicted .

    As for rnh, he is not a first line center and is overrated, more of a second line center that is inconsistent offense . From time to time he shows flashs of speed on the outside but does not use it. Not sure about moving him though, he will get better with age but mgmt is paying him like a top line center when they did not need to.

    Huh? I get it . Kind of . We all just hate people to look at them sometimes. But if you can’t see this YOUNG mans speed and wrist shit power/accuracy then I’m not sure what you’ve been watching. Wait till he has his first shave, then tell me what you think.

  98. elphy101 says:

    I would prefer to talk about the oilers defense longer term and what it will look like when we open the new arena. I think going by Mac T’s comments, the major holes that the team needs to fill and the general age of our prospects, we will not come close to making the playoffs next year.

    What do people think is the dream defense for the 2016-2017 season? I’m actually quite excited and hopeful in that regard and I think we have the makings of a very good d-corps without any major external hires.

    My starting defense would be as follows;

    Klefbom Schultz
    Nurse Petry
    Marincon Fayne

    To me, if we sign Petry and give it time, this team will have an exceptional d-corps. I see no problem with letting it ride with Nikitin and Ference for another year while the kids develop. No need for buyouts, just give these kids time.

    Also sign Petry!!! He would look amazing playing hard minutes with Nurse long-term.

  99. Gret99zky says:

    Lowetide:
    The talk of Nuge being a bust or poor is silly.

    Agreed. And it could be argued he has been asked to do too much for a player his age.

  100. Snowman says:

    Lowetide: This is me preparing you for the Petry trade.

    Lol, I like your style. Really crush everyone’s spirits out of the gate and then when the actual terrible thing happens it seems normal. I wish I could have learned that lesson with some of the girls I dated in my youth. Really set the bar low out of the gate. Way harder to be disappointed with the actual results.

  101. GCW_69 says:

    Woodguy: That’s the bogey.
    My crystal ball says:
    First 2 years Boychuck is better or very close

    MacT has to be getting desperate. If Boychuk is better the first two years and you are a year away from getting fired, that might be enough to tip the balance.

  102. Halfwise says:

    verdad2.0:
    G Money,

    But he is employed.
    So it isn’t ranting. It is actually the most constructive advice.

    “Constructive” would require suggesting a practical alternative.

    Are you Adil, the annoying guy who used to call in to talk shows?

  103. Halfwise says:

    Snowman: Lol, I like your style. Really crush everyone’s spirits out of the gate and then when the actual terrible thing happens it seems normal. I wish I could have learned that lesson with some of the girls I dated in my youth. Really set the bar low out of the gate. Way harder to be disappointed with the actual results.

    Reminds me of the woman who told me I was terrible in bed. How she could figure that out in 90 seconds still has me puzzled.

  104. rickithebear says:

    Process of correction:
    1. I dentify problems
    – Pendegast
    – Tambo
    – Eakins
    2. Identify working assets:
    – Eberle; Hall; RNH; Yak;
    – test questioned assets (short contract)
    – Petry; Schultz. Massive failed EVGA
    3. Remove failed assets.
    Hemsky
    Whitney
    Smyth
    MP
    Petrell
    N. schultz
    R. jones
    Potter
    Hartikainen
    Belanger
    Eager
    Smithson
    Brown
    Hordichuck
    Brown

    4. identify stock parts for use (prospects)
    ???????????

    5. ensure proper identification of new replacement parts.
    BPA drafting

    6. Identify realistic asset replacement rate.
    2-4 good assets per year. YEAR!
    expected rate:
    4 per 4.25yr
    3 per 5.7 years
    2.5 per 6.8 years
    2 per 8.5 years

    Summer 2013
    Perron
    Gordon
    Ference

    Winter 2014
    Hendricks
    Fasth
    Scrivens

    Summer 2014
    Nikitin
    Purcell
    Pouliot
    Fayne
    Pakarainen

    Winter 2014
    Roy
    Fraser
    Klink

    Hall-Lander-XXX
    Pouliot-RNH-Eberle
    Purcell-Roy-Yak
    Klinkhammer-Gordon-Hendricks
    Fraser-XXX

    Nikitin – Fayne 2.11 EVGA/60
    Klefbom -XXX
    Marincin – Schultz
    Ference

    Scrivens
    Fasth

    Best EVGA VS 1st comp since 07-08
    #1 Souray-Staios 07-08 1.81 EVGA/60
    #2 Souray-Vish 08-09 2.11
    #3 Nikitin-Fayne 14-15 2.11
    #4 Smid-Petry 11-12 2.14
    #5 Ference – Petry 13-14 2.24

  105. John Chambers says:

    G Money: MacT has done some good things, but his overall performance justifies his firing.

    I’ve heard very few people defend MacT to a greater extent than that, and this is a blog with a fairly healthily wide variety of opinions.

    Your rantings are mindless and divorced from reality in both your assessment of the situation and the extent to which you think you will have an influence.

    You are a mob of 1.If MacT is government policy, you are Sarah Palin.

    And the fact that you don’t even know Nuge’s point history suggests that your opinions on players are just as ignorantly polarized as your opinions on anything else.

    I’ll tell you one thing: if someone with your viewpoint is so loudly and knee jerkingly for MacT’s firing, it sure is making me reconsider my assessments on the situation, in a pro-MacT light.

    I think your first sentence here is spot on. To build on it – MacT is a smart man, a good hockey coach and member of the hockey establishment, an improvement on Tambellini, but sub par in other critical aspects of management that leaves something to be desired against the likes of Chiarelli, Lombardi, and even Treliving.

    To MacT’s credit he has filled out the bottom six forward corps with some nice talent, and like his predecessor has refrained from going Milbury with the young core.

    But after two years it’s not evident that he truly understands things like underlying numbers when it comes to his player personnel, is a poor manager of contracts and cap, and doesn’t possess the savvy to effectively take this team out of second gear by obtaining the right personnel on Defense or in goal.

    What would really satisfy me would be to see MacT’s role diminished and to have a more experienced hand take a few bold measures to have playoffs become the focus for next season and beyond.

  106. MightyOil1 says:

    Woodguy: There are rumours all over the place that he wants to move back West.

    LT showed than even the NY media has picked up on it.

    Boychuk lives in Edmonton in the summer.

    There are a lot of things that go into these decisions that aren’t hockey and travel related.

    Adding to the Boychuk conversation, confirmed this week in the media, Edmonton is the number 1 location on players no trade lists. We can debate the many reasons why but the fact remains, players that want to come to Edmonton are fewer than other destinations. We have to live in the real world. If a Johnny Boychuk actually wants to come to Edmonton, the team has to consider it. The Oilers are desperate for D, and Boychuk is an NHL D Man.

  107. verdad2.0 says:

    The constructive short term alternative is to let Bob Green pay what is required to keep Petry.
    Try to divest of Ference, Scrivens and Nikitin if at all possible.
    Never play Aulie or Gadzic ever again.
    Trade Schultz asap.
    Be open to serous offers on the over-rated core of the Oilers.
    For example, what does it take to get OEL out of Phoenix?
    Work on that until a new GM is acquired.

  108. Gret99zky says:

    elphy101,

    I wouldn’t exactly describe a “dream defense” with the names you have listed.

    “This team will have an exceptional d-corp given time” is not very convincing.

    This defense needs more than time.

    From what we have seen of Marincin, Klefbom, and especially Nurse are unproven at the NHL level.

  109. sliderule says:

    This is off the topic but as we have discussed that the best way and maybe only way is to build through the draft are we making progress.I thought I would compare us to other teams who have drafted in top five since 2008.
    Islanders…….six times
    Florida “………four times
    Colorado .”……Three times
    Tampa ,Columbus,Kings. …….two times

    Three of those teams should make the playoffs .Florida and Columbus still have hopes but they along with Colorado will probably stay short.None of these will be picking top five this year.

    Then we have the oilers .Four picks in the top five ,three of them first overall and another pick this year in top five.

    Is there any hope?

  110. spoiler says:

    Let’s just consider the right side and leave the left side out for the moment… Would you rather have

    Petry
    Fayne
    Schultz

    Boychuk
    Fayne
    Schultz

    Boychuk
    Petry
    Schultz

    Yes, I know everyone would prefer Boychuk, Petry, Fayne, but being realistic…

    The problem appears to be, as MacT alluded to this past summer, contracts. The best set of three D up there is pretty expensive, and will be moreso when Schultz gets paid. Fayne signed for less than what Petry will likely sign for, and is perhaps more solid in his own end. It seems to me that the Fayne deal is really what put the writing on the wall for Petry. Not Nikitin. A case could be made too that sticking with Jultz is doing the same.

  111. John Chambers says:

    Lowetide:
    The talk of Nuge being a bust or poor is silly. Those who state it are showing gross stupidity or attempting to troll. Either way, please move your bullshit down the street. Thanks.

    Fact of the matter is that at some point the Oilers will become a winning team and the Steve Simmons’ and Kelly Hrudeys of the world (scores of mindless bloggers to boot) will champion how the Oilwrs re-built the right way, slow and steady, and how a 27- and 26-year old Hall and Nuge will be above human archetypes of how a competitive franchise is built.

    I think the smarter posters here exhibit a good mix of patience for the things we know will improve with maturity, and impatience for poor management and stubbornness to admit to seeing the light when the evidence undermines our previous bias.

    But til then we beat on, boats against the current …

  112. Eustace Matthews '16 says:

    Gret99zky: Agreed.And it could be argued he has been asked to do too much for a player his age.

    It’s called, ‘Welcome to the Oilers’, where everyone learns to swim in the deep end.

    Those who struggle, will always find a fan or ten willing to throw them an anchor.

    Those who do survive and learn how to swim, are asked why it took them so long.

    And it turns out like Oilways.

  113. MightyOil1 says:

    Lowetide,

    100%. Nuge is a beauty and will continue to get better and better. At a young age he puts up offence without sacrificing defence. An improved PP would see a dramatic increase in his point totals.

  114. John Chambers says:

    sliderule,

    Pittsburgh selected Whitney, Fleury, Crosby, Malkin, and Staal all top-5.

    LA selected Doughty, Schenn, Hickey.

    Chicago selected Toews, Kane, Barker, and also selected top-10 myriad times over a decade.

    Times will get better for Edmonton. The duration of our re-build can be attributed to bad management, and bad drafting early from KP and some bad Dallas Eakins in the latter part. Id like to think that most of it is behind us and a good goalie and a signed Petry or equivalent has us at least in a playoff race until at least Valentines Day next year.

  115. fifthcartel says:

    “Hockey was so primitive that shooting the puck towards the other teams net came to be an advanced stat” – Bruce Arthur puts it perfectly on TSN The Reporters this morning

    I like Boychuk, and I think if he makes it to FA they have a decent shot to throw a bunch of money at him as the hometown team angle.

    I’m sad there’s zero possibility of a Boychuk-Petry right side, but oh well. If there plan is Boychuk for the right side I hope they have a decent LH defensemen coming in.

    My best case scenario defense with the most realistic acquisitions –

    Klefbom-Boychuk
    Phaneuf-Schultz
    Wiercioch-Fayne
    Ference

    Nikitin buyout/Ference trade if needed.

    Marincin or someone else for Wiercioch.

    Salary cap might not work either but I could see those being realistic targets.

  116. spoiler says:

    Wow… Yakupov, what a game, huh? Best forward on the ice, smart plays… That’s a really sweet string of games for the exuberant youngster. Right now, Yak is At Play in the Fields of the Gord, and I am liking what I see.

    Thank you, Country Grammar. Thank you, D-Roy.

    Fine games too by Slim Shady and that new guy, whazzisname, the one that makes kitchen blenders.

  117. spoiler says:

    rickithebear: Lets just leave out Cap reality!
    That is Fucking Embarrasing!
    HFB grade 3 shite!

    The point was cap reality, so not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing, my babel fish has the day off (it’s Sunday).

  118. verdad2.0 says:

    John Chambers,

    Nine years of patience is just a rationalization of incompetence

  119. RexLibris says:

    haters: Imagine when he’s like 25-28. It’s gonna be fun to watch him shave.

    Thought it needed updating.

  120. Ca$h-Money! says:

    The RNH viewpoints are all fascinating, even the ones I feel are dumb.

    For me, today, he isn’t a number 1 on a playoff team.

    That said I don’t expect anyone under 25 to be a number one on a playoff team. Clearly there will be outliers, but generally speaking I hokd that to be true.

  121. rickithebear says:

    Spoiler:

    I F……….. up!

    Read to problem appears to be!

    2 young ones started fighting.

    Brok it up.

    Came back Typed.

    Had to put them in there rooms.

    Re Read and said you are bang on!

    the others who chase a d with zero regard!

    Are being HFB!

    As was i with the response!

    off to end the time out!

  122. rickithebear says:

    John Chambers:
    sliderule,

    Pittsburgh selected Whitney, Fleury, Crosby, Malkin, and Staal all top-5.

    LA selected Doughty, Schenn, Hickey.

    Chicago selected Toews, Kane, Barker, and also selected top-10 myriad times over a decade.

    Times will get better for Edmonton. The duration of our re-build can be attributed to bad management, and bad drafting early from KP and some bad Dallas Eakins in the latter part. Id like to think that most of it is behind us and a good goalie and a signed Petry or equivalent has us at least in a playoff race until at least Valentines Day next year.

    I have beat this drum for 4 years.

    you can trace chicago’s current roster to 1996 draft picks.
    Toews and Kane were – ve players in cup win.

    top end of team was littered with 5 ufa’s.
    Sopel; Campbell; Hossa; Kopecky; Niemi

  123. spoiler says:

    rickithebear,

    Gotcha, thanks!

  124. Woodguy says:

    RexLibris,

    Weber doesn’t play with Jones.

    Weber plays with Josi on the 1sy pair.

    Jones plays with Volchenkov on the 3rd pair.

    Their 2nd pair of Ellis-Ekholm is probably the best 2nd pair in hockey.

    D depth.

    Powering the best teams since hockey began.

    Someone should mention it to MacT

  125. speeds says:

    spoiler:
    Let’s just consider the right side and leave the left side out for the moment… Would you rather have

    Petry
    Fayne
    Schultz

    Boychuk
    Fayne
    Schultz

    Boychuk
    Petry
    Schultz

    Yes, I know everyone would prefer Boychuk, Petry, Fayne, but being realistic…

    The problem appears to be, as MacT alluded to this past summer, contracts. The best set of three D up there is pretty expensive, and will be moreso when Schultz gets paid.Fayne signed for less than what Petry will likely sign for, and is perhaps more solid in his own end.It seems to me that the Fayne deal is really what put the writing on the wall for Petry. Not Nikitin. A case could be made too that sticking with Jultz is doing the same.

    In the unlikely event they were to re-sign Petry, and be in a position to sign Boychuk in the summer, I don’t think it impossible they decide Schultz’s PP role might be gone/limited and move on. Alternatively, I also don’t think Fayne’s contract would be unmovable, so maybe they move him.

    That’s a lot of money to spend on your RD, but perhaps that’s an option if you carry all of Nurse, Klefbom and Marincin as a relatively cheap LD the year after Nikitin’s deal expires?

  126. Woodguy says:

    spoiler:
    Wow… Yakupov, what a game, huh? Best forward on the ice, smart plays…That’s a really sweet string of games for the exuberant youngster.Right now, Yak is At Play in the Fields of the Gord, and I am liking what I see.

    Thank you, Country Grammar.Thank you, D-Roy.

    Fine games too by Slim Shady and that new guy, whazzisname, the one that makes kitchen blenders.

    Awesome post on many levels.

    10/10

    Would read again.

    Hilarious.

  127. Woodguy says:

    speeds: In the unlikely event they were to re-sign Petry, and be in a position to sign Boychuk in the summer, I don’t think it impossible they decide Schultz’s PP role might be gone/limited and move on.Alternatively, I also don’t think Fayne’s contract would be unmovable, so maybe they move him.

    That’s a lot of money to spend on your RD, but perhaps that’s an option if you carry all of Nurse, Klefbom and Marincin as a relatively cheap LD the year after Nikitin’s deal expires?

    That could work for sure.

    Spend $ on RD because the 3 left D will be cheap for 3-5 years as a group.

    I actually like Schultz more then Fayne.

    Looking strictly at results this year I take Petry then Schultz then Fayne.

    He’s a worse puck mover than Schultz by far and I don’t rate Schultz high as a puck mover.

  128. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy:
    RexLibris,

    Weber doesn’t play with Jones.

    Weber plays with Josi on the 1sy pair.

    Jones plays with Volchenkov on the 3rd pair.

    Their 2nd pair of Ellis-Ekholm is probably the best 2nd pair in hockey.

    D depth.

    Powering the best teams since hockey began.

    Someone should mention it to MacT

    I stand corrected. I had thought that they had been paired together for part of last season.

    Josi is a good mention though as I recall liking the signing by Poile when it happened and the majority of other comments I read at the time (MSM and otherwise) were that it was too much and too long for an unproven, uninspiring player.

    Poile was right. The commenters were wrong.

    Is Jeff Petry our Roman Josi? If so, we should be asking Craig MacTavish “what would David Poile do with Petry?”

  129. rickithebear says:

    2 years from now start of 16-17
    Hall has 4 years left on contract
    Eberle has 3 years
    Pouliot has 3 years
    RNH has 5 years
    Hendricks 1yr
    Fayne 2 yrs
    2015 top 5 2 yr
    Ference 1 yr
    Nurse 1yr (RFA 17)
    Draisatl 1 yr (RFA 17)
    Yakimov 1 yr (RFA 17)
    2015
    —————————-
    Lander RFA summer 15
    Yak RFA summer 15
    Schultz RFA summer 15
    Mariincin RFA summer 15
    Roy UFA summer 15
    Klefbom RFA summer 16
    Pakarinen (RFA 16)

  130. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy: Their 2nd pair of Ellis-Ekholm is probably the best 2nd pair in HOCKEY.

    Keith -Seabrook 2nd/3rd comp

    Hjarlmasson- Oduya 1st comp

  131. Woodguy says:

    RexLibris: I stand corrected. I had thought that they had been paired together for part of last season.

    Josi is a good mention though as I recall liking the signing by Poile when it happened and the majority of other comments I read at the time (MSM and otherwise) were that it was too much and too long for an unproven, uninspiring player.

    Poile was right. The commenters were wrong.

    Is Jeff Petry our Roman Josi? If so, we should be asking Craig MacTavish “what would David Poile do with Petry?”

    Poile signs Petry to 4×6 3 years ago.

  132. russ99 says:

    I’d prefer to wait until March 3rd to jump on board the fire MacTavish bandwagon.

    But for sure he has to be in a short leash, and what he does in the next two weeks will go a long way as to determining if he should be making roster decisions this summer.

    Losing Petry for magic beans and selling low on Marincin and/or Yak would do it for me.

  133. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear: Keith -Seabrook 2nd/3rd comp

    Hjarlmasson- Oduya 1st comp

    Ellis-Eklhom’s results are better then Seabrook-Keith this year.

    Those 4 guys are certainly top 4 2nd pairing D though.

  134. leadfarmer says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Because he has at least one foot out the door, so its ok for him to like Petry. If he would of stayed then he would of hated him. Its the same person. Don’t believe me. Go to his blog and read his comments there and here. Very similar trains of thoughts. Nuge sucks, Seguin is god. Hall is not very good. The same 5 concepts repeated over and over in the same manner as DSF, DCB, Verdad Troll.0 or whatever he wants to be called

  135. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy:
    RexLibris,

    Weber doesn’t play with Jones.

    Weber plays with Josi on the 1sy pair.

    Jones plays with Volchenkov on the 3rd pair.

    Their 2nd pair of Ellis-Ekholm is probably the best 2nd pair in hockey.

    D depth.

    Powering the best teams since hockey began.

    Someone should mention it to MacT

    How many times was Ellis traded in his first few years? Really turned into a nice player.

  136. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy,

    Wouldn’t quite say he plays third pair with Volchenkov because he plays more than 19 minutes a game and 6 minutes more per game than Volchenkov including more than 3 1/2 minutes ES. He is more like a 5th top four defenseman than a 3rd pairing. Wouldn’t that be nice.

  137. leadfarmer says:

    Pouzar,

    Having really good veteran players at the position really helps guide young players along

  138. Woodguy says:

    Pouzar: How many times was Ellis traded in his first few years? Really turned into a nice player.

    I’ve been staring at his numbers for a week straight, taking them apart and trying to tease out info.

    He’s a 1st pairing Dman on most teams, maybe even NAS.

    Patience with Dmen.

    Who knew?

  139. Eustace Matthews '16 says:

    Pouzar: How many times was Ellis traded in his first few years? Really turned into a nice player.

    Zero

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=107049

  140. Woodguy says:

    leadfarmer:
    Woodguy,

    Wouldn’t quite say he plays third pair with Volchenkov because he plays more than 19 minutes a game and 6 minutes more per game than Volchenkov including more than 3 1/2 minutes ES.He is more like a 5th top four defenseman than a 3rd pairing.Wouldn’t that be nice.

    Depends on who’s hurt because he’s the first one to play up the roster to fill in. (Ellis has been hurt for a while and he’s been the 2RD since Jan 8)

    With a completely healthy NAS D he’s been 3rd pair.

  141. Woodguy says:

    Also,

    a 21 year old who plays the most TOI/gm of any forward in the NHL, plays against the best the other team has (in the Western Conference no less), saws off at 50% of the shot attempt share playing in front of bad Dcorps.

    Yeah, fuck that guy.

  142. Numenius says:

    spoiler:

    Yes, I know everyone would prefer Boychuk, Petry, Fayne, but being realistic…

    Let’s just get accustomed to that for awhile, to get used to how nice it’d look.

    Klefbom-Boychuk
    Ference-Petry
    Marincin-Fayne
    Nikitin

    Doesn’t that already feel less chaotic? There’s no problem with PP time because Boychuk and Petry can take that and possibly Klefbom.

    Now let’s say you’ve traded Jultz for Wiercioch (or equivalent) and bought out Ference.

    Klefbom-Boychuk
    Wiercioch-Petry
    Marincin-Fayne
    Nikitin

    That’s starting to feel like a playoff worthy D. And it’s actually affordable because Schultz’s expected 4-5M is gone and 2.5M of Ference is gone, which pretty much gets you Boychuk. The extra 2.25 to Petry either comes from a higher cap or savings elsewhere. Klefbom is still in his entry deal.

    1-6.5
    2-5.25
    1.5-3.6
    4.5
    0.667 (Ference hit for first year of buyout, see War-on-ice)
    Total 25.35M

    Then for the next year, Nikitin’s salary is gone and you can pay Klefbom and Wiercioch with his and Ference’s money, and Nurse will be in the mix with his low salary. The trick in all of this would be getting Boychuk to sign for only 4 years or so, because you don’t want him too long term once Nurse and Klefbom have to get paid.

    spoiler: A case could be made too that sticking with Jultz is doing the same.

    Schultz does seem to be the problem. If he were only going to be making Fayne money for the next 4 years, he and Boychuk might be a better choice (in light of the cap) over Petry and Boychuk, but since he wants more (and McT seems to agree) and seemingly won’t improve enough to earn it, keeping him doesn’t make much sense.

  143. Woodguy says:

    Ran across this today:

    Last 4 years WOWY of Gio and Brodie:

    Together 1814min
    CorFor/60 54.97
    CorAgn/60 50.60
    CF% 52.1

    Gio Apart
    2220 min
    CorFor/60 50.25
    CorAgn/60 56.25
    CF% 47.2

    Brodie Apart
    2418 min
    CorFor/60 50.38
    CorAgn/60 52.76
    CF% 48.8

    To be fair to Gio is most common partner besides Brodie was Hannan. Brodie’s was Sarich and Sarich was probably one of the most under appreciated Dmen in the last 10 years.

    It kinda looks like Brodie is the reason Gio is getting Norris talk.

    Def better together than apart like Weber-Suter were.

    2 good Dmen on a top pair matter.

    Someone tell MacT!

  144. Woodguy says:

    Numenius,

    Schultz does seem to be the problem.

    I’d argue that Schultz isn’t the problem.

    The fact that Schultz needs to be sheltered and get heavy OZS to produce effectively is the problem.

  145. Magnus says:

    Question: How many mistakes and poor decisions does MacTavish have to make before we can stop referring to him as a “smart man”.

  146. Numenius says:

    Woodguy: I’d argue that Schultz isn’t the problem.

    The fact that Schultz needs to be sheltered and get heavy OZS to produce effectively is the problem.

    I’d agree Schultz isn’t the problem if he’s making 3M. But if he’s making 5M and needs that sort of shelter and OZS, wouldn’t you agree that he is?

  147. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy,

    Brodie and Giordano is an interesting item.

    You could almost subdivide Flames fans into those who prefer one over the other and find a reasonable correlation between those who more fully embrace “enhanced stats” (Brodie) to the more traditional fans (Giordano).

    Giordano is a good player, but Brodie makes him that much better. The same holds true going the other way.

    Some Flames fans I’ve spoken to are shaking their heads at the Petry situation. Some of them see Petry as a lesser version of Brodie and can’t comprehend how a team would willingly send a player like that away when the D corps is so obviously lacking.

    Yes. Flames fans think the Oilers are being short-sighted for letting Petry go.

    Let’s just let that sink in for a moment.

    They would, however, gladly take him on their team to pair with Wideman or Russell.

    Wouldn’t that be a treat.

  148. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy: Poile signs Petry to 4×6 3 years ago.

    So, Fenton as next Oilers GM then.

    Did he ever play backup practice goaltender for the Oilers’ farm club back in ’83?

  149. Woodguy says:

    Flames start a 7 game road trip today hanging on to the last wildcard spot in the West.

    They will not finish the road trip in a playoff spot.

    They play:

    Rags today – Probable loss
    Devils tomorrow – 2nd of B2B probable loss (Devils rest today)
    Islanders Feb 27 – Probable loss
    Flyers March 3rd – Could win – rested
    Bruins March 5th – Tough game
    Detroit March 6th – Scheduled loss – tough opponent
    Senators March 8th – Sens playing better – toss up game

    I can see them coming back with 5/14 points from this trip.

  150. Woodguy says:

    Numenius: I’d agree Schultz isn’t the problem if he’s making 3M. But if he’s making 5M and needs that sort of shelter and OZS, wouldn’t you agree that he is?

    Depends.

    Yandle was paid and sheltered for a while too.

    Schultz doesn’t produce like Yandle though.

    If he doesn’t bring his game up to where he’s competitive on 2nd pairing minutes its a problem.

  151. leadfarmer says:

    I don’t know if anyone noticed but even though Perron is scoring goals he is giving up a lot going the other way and is -4 on the Penguins which is hard to do.

  152. Woodguy says:

    RexLibris:
    Woodguy,

    Brodie and Giordano is an interesting item.

    You could almost subdivide Flames fans into those who prefer one over the other and find a reasonable correlation between those who more fully embrace “enhanced stats” (Brodie) to the more traditional fans (Giordano).

    Giordano is a good player, but Brodie makes him that much better. The same holds true going the other way.

    Some Flames fans I’ve spoken to are shaking their heads at the Petry situation. Some of them see Petry as a lesser version of Brodie and can’t comprehend how a team would willingly send a player like that away when the D corps is so obviously lacking.

    Yes. Flames fans think the Oilers are being short-sighted for letting Petry go.

    Let’s just let that sink in for a moment.

    They would, however, gladly take him on their team to pair with Wideman or Russell.

    Wouldn’t that be a treat.

    I hope they do trade Petry to CAL (if they trade him)

    He might get them to the playoffs and then they have 0% chance at McJesus.

    McJesus landing in Cowtown would make me very, very sad.

  153. Halfwise says:

    Numenius,

    This line of thinking makes way too much sense.

    I was mulling over the tone of the Petry discussions during the past year. The explanation that makes the most sense to me is that Petry was not interested in playing under Eakins, but it was not in his interest to say so to MacT. So a one year deal was struck.

    Since Eakins’ departure the whole team’s outlook has improved, albeit slowly. There would be no reason for either party to rush into contract discussions in January. But as the Todd Nelson picture clarified, Petry’s feelings about Edmonton’s particular charms improved.

    Meanwhile LT and others continued to talk about Petry’s position atop the performance figures for Oiler D, and MacT would find it hard to ignore the coach’s preferences and Petry’s contribution relative to the rest of the D.

    And while all this chat was going on, a few feelers must have come in from other teams, along the line of ‘would a 3rd rounder get me Jeff Petry’. Since Petry would improve any roster and lower a draft pick, MacT would only activate the trade at the last minute so that the value of the draft pick would be maximized.

    MacT and Petry’s agent have not actually contradicted one another as to what has happened in the past 4 weeks, and it appears that an offer has just been made.

    MacT may be a flawed judge of D talent and roster balance. He has plenty of company on Kingsway. But there are plausible reasons that wouldn’t be made public as to why things may have happened as they have leading up to Petry’s current contract and over the past few months.

  154. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy,

    But if he doesnt start producing and needing less sheltered minutes soon he is going to be the problem.

  155. GCW_69 says:

    Woodguy:
    1MM-4MM
    1MM-6.5MM
    4.5MM-3.62MM
    Ference buyout 1.06MM
    $21.62MM

    The year after with Nikitin gone and Nurse on ELC it drops to 18MM

    Pretty sure Marincin and Klefbom would get some raises by 16/17

  156. spoiler says:

    Woodguy:
    Flames start a 7 game road trip today hanging on to the last wildcard spot in the West.

    They will not finish the road trip in a playoff spot.

    They play:

    Rags today – Probable loss
    Devils tomorrow – 2nd of B2B probable loss (Devils rest today)
    Islanders Feb 27 – Probable loss
    Flyers March 3rd – Could win – rested
    Bruins March 5th – Tough game
    Detroit March 6th – Scheduled loss – tough opponent
    Senators March 8th – Sens playing better – toss up game

    I can see them coming back with 5/14 points from this trip.

    I was looking at that yesterday too, thinking it would be tough for them to come back with half the available points. Do-able, but tough. I have a few units out there that I laid down with some local yokels after the Flamer hot streak in October against the Lames making the playoffs, so I am watching with considerable, and heightening, interest.

  157. Pouzar says:

    Eustace Matthews ’16: Zero

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=107049

    I was alluding to the multitude of trade rumors he was involved in in his first few years in the league.

  158. Eustace Matthews '16 says:

    Pouzar,

    Whoosh – over my head!

  159. spoiler says:

    Woodguy: Rags today – Probable loss
    Devils tomorrow – 2nd of B2B probable loss (Devils rest today)
    Islanders Feb 27 – Probable loss
    Flyers March 3rd – Could win – rested
    Bruins March 5th – Tough game
    Detroit March 6th – Scheduled loss – tough opponent
    Senators March 8th – Sens playing better – toss up game

    Oh, and they don’t play the Rangers till Tues, then Devs on Wednesday. They do get a nice little break before the B2B.

  160. spoiler says:

    Woodguy: I’ve been staring at his numbers for a week straight, taking them apart and trying to tease out info.

    He’s a 1st pairing Dman on most teams, maybe even NAS.

    Patience with Dmen.

    Who knew?

    With Ellis being a smaller fellow, I think most teams would have slow-played this hand, even the Oilers.

  161. GCW_69 says:

    ” There are ton of players selected in the 2nd round who became Stars. For example, PK Subban….for Sabre fans Mike Peca and Derrick Roy. When you piss away 2nd round picks away you become the Edmonton Oilers.”

    This was posted by a commenter on Die by the Blade. How sad is it when even Sabres fans are poking fun at the Oilers?

  162. Numenius says:

    Halfwise: MacT may be a flawed judge of D talent and roster balance. He has plenty of company on Kingsway. But there are plausible reasons that wouldn’t be made public as to why things may have happened as they have leading up to Petry’s current contract and over the past few months.

    I believe something is going on in the background that we don’t know too. When things don’t make sense, there usually is. My suspicion, though, is that what’s driving events is Boychuk indicating his interest or some trade McT really wants to make.

    Petry may have changed his mind about how much he wants to be here, but I don’t think that’s the main factor.

  163. spoiler says:

    Woodguy: He might get them to the playoffs and then they have 0% chance at McJesus.

    Ha! I wanna get paid, dammit!

    I am more than willing for the Flames to finish 17th and have a 99% chance of not getting McDavid. I like those odds, lol.

  164. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I don’t know where it lands, but as it stands today PITT’s first pick is 21st OV. I’d be pretty damn happy if that pick stayed that high.

  165. Woodguy says:

    leadfarmer: If he doesn’t bring his game up to where he’s competitive on 2nd pairing minutes its a problem.

    Which is exactly what I said.

    Last sentence:

    If he doesn’t bring his game up to where he’s competitive on 2nd pairing minutes its a problem.

  166. Woodguy says:

    GCW_69: Pretty sure Marincin and Klefbom would get some raises by 16/17

    Sure.

    Marincin is up this year and I don’t see much past $1.5M x 2

    Klef’s bridge will probably be something like $2.5 x 2

  167. Woodguy says:

    spoiler: Ha!I wanna get paid, dammit!

    I am more than willing for the Flames to finish 17th and have a 99% chance of not getting McDavid. I like those odds, lol.

    Oh shit, do I owe you money if they make the playoffs?

  168. Woodguy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    I don’t know where it lands, but as it stands today PITT’s first pick is 21st OV. I’d be pretty damn happy if that pick stayed that high.

    Here’s hoping Fleury remembers that he’s Fleury.

  169. Numenius says:

    Woodguy: If he doesn’t bring his game up to where he’s competitive on 2nd pairing minutes its a problem.

    An interesting thing about Schultz is that he’s a July 6 birthday, which means he just misses the free agency cutoff (July 1) and so will be RFA for another 3 years rather than 2. That gives the Oilers a little extra negotiating room to keep his next contract number down.

    Something like this, for example, might make sense:

    3.75 * 3 RFA = 11.25
    5 * 3 UFA = 15
    = 26.25M over 6 yrs = $4.375 AAV

    That AAV I think I could handle.

  170. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy: I hope they do trade Petry to CAL (if they trade him)

    He might get them to the playoffs and then they have 0% chance at McJesus.

    McJesus landing in Cowtown would make me very, very sad.

    Add in the potential embarrassment it would bring to the management group here and we are in complete agreement.

    As I’ve said before on this forum, there are two areas of vulnerability that I see with the Oilers right now: shame and money. Shame is a tough nut to crack but I think the Flames are your in there. Money is something Bruce and I have argued over, but there has to be a financial tipping point that would get their attention. Maybe it would be advertisers instead of ticket sales, who knows, but even the most stubborn insular system has it’s pressure points.

  171. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    I don’t know where it lands, but as it stands today PITT’s first pick is 21st OV. I’d be pretty damn happy if that pick stayed that high.

    Agreed. Like WG says above, so long as they run with Fleury there is still hope.

  172. Woodguy says:

    Fleury’s career playoff SV%

    2006-2007 0.880
    2007-2008 0.933
    2008-2009 0.908 – Won Cup
    2009-2010 0.891
    2010-2011 0.899
    2011-2012 0.834
    2012-2013 0.883
    2013-2014 0.915

    I can see why they keep giving him long term contracts.

    What a waste of a team with 2 of the top 5 players for years and years.

  173. Woodguy says:

    Numenius: An interesting thing about Schultz is that he’s a July 6 birthday, which means he just misses the free agency cutoff (July 1) and so will be RFA for another 3 years rather than 2. That gives the Oilers a little extra negotiating room to keep his next contract number down.

    Something like this, for example, might make sense:

    3.75 * 3 RFA = 11.25
    5 * 3 UFA = 15
    = 26.25M over 6 yrs = $4.375 AAV

    That AAV I think I could handle.

    Pretty sure he turned down more than that on a long term contract last year.

  174. Woodguy says:

    spoiler: Oh, and they don’t play the Rangers till Tues, then Devs on Wednesday. They do get a nice little break before the B2B.

    Oops, thanks for the correction

  175. Woodguy says:

    spoiler: Ha!I wanna get paid, dammit!

    I am more than willing for the Flames to finish 17th and have a 99% chance of not getting McDavid. I like those odds, lol.

    Now I see, you’ve bet with the hoi polloi in Cowtown.

    You’ll win.

  176. RexLibris says:

    Numenius: I believe something is going on in the background that we don’t know too. When things don’t make sense, there usually is. My suspicion, though, is that what’s driving events is Boychuk indicating his interest or some trade McT really wants to make.

    Petry may have changed his mind about how much he wants to be here, but I don’t think that’s the main factor.

    If that is the case then why not try to improve across the board?

    Trade Nikitin with salary retained and even wrap it in a draft pick to clear cap space.

    Add Boychuk and Petry to Schultz. I know that leaves Fayne, but he is certainly tradeable if need be, or could slide over to LD and bump Ference from 3rd pairing to pressbox. Keep Marincin and Klefbom and you’ve got a functional defensive group.

  177. Gerta Rauss says:

    Eustace Matthews ’16: Well at least you don’t have irritable vowel syndrome!

    This is pretty funny

  178. Woodguy says:

    RexLibris: Add in the potential embarrassment it would bring to the management group here and we are in complete agreement.

    As I’ve said before on this forum, there are two areas of vulnerability that I see with the Oilers right now: shame and money. Shame is a tough nut to crack but I think the Flames are your in there. Money is something Bruce and I have argued over, but there has to be a financial tipping point that would get their attention. Maybe it would be advertisers instead of ticket sales, who knows, but even the most stubborn insular system has it’s pressure points.

    I’ll bet that season ticket and sponsor renewals are down.

    I’d also bet their TV numbers are down too.

  179. RexLibris says:

    Why would think this is even a good idea?

    http://www.theguardian.com/film/shortcuts/2015/feb/22/sleeping-with-jeff-bridges-become-nightmare-new-album

    Just Youtube a Steve Tambellini press conference. You’ll be surfing the delta waves in minutes.

  180. book¡je says:

    Woodguy: I’ll bet that season ticket and sponsor renewals are down.

    I’d also bet their TV numbers are down too.

    I’ve gone from watching every game to watching 1 in 5. I also keep turning down free tickets from people.

    I suspect I am one of many. As a tier 2 fan, it’s not that relevant, but I would bet my family/friends are wondering why they are paying for tickets that they can’t even give a away.

  181. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy: I’ll bet that season ticket and sponsor renewals are down.

    I’d also bet their TV numbers are down too.

    TV gets paid up front though, correct? So “money’s in the bank see ya later suckers”.

    Corporate sponsorship fed by the many small business owners and the number of executive associations who network in Edmonton is probably an achilles heel there. Edmonton is a big small city. Everybody knows everybody else and while the average guy may always be lining up for tickets, when the corporate guys can’t give away their luxury box tickets maybe a pinch is felt.

  182. Gerta Rauss says:

    leadfarmer:
    ,

    Because he has at least one foot out the door, so its ok for him to like Petry.If he would of stayed then he would of hated him.Its the same person.Don’t believe me.Go to his blog and read his comments there and here.Very similar trains of thoughts.Nuge sucks, Seguin is god.Hall is not very good.The same 5 concepts repeated over and over in the same manner as DSF, DCB, Verdad Troll.0or whatever he wants to be called

    The 2.0 fellow is not DSF-different writing style, he’s not even in the same league as DSF.

    The occasional poster here called CAPITALIST however, may be DSF that slips through LT’s spam filters. I need a larger sample size to be sure however.

  183. Numenius says:

    RexLibris: Add Boychuk and Petry to Schultz. I know that leaves Fayne, but he is certainly tradeable if need be, or could slide over to LD and bump Ference from 3rd pairing to pressbox. Keep Marincin and Klefbom and you’ve got a functional defensive group.

    I’d love that, but I don’t see how they could keep Boychuk, Petry, and Schultz long-term (as they’d have to promise each of them), since Schultz will want too much money for his worth.

    I’m also not saying McT is completely rational in all this, just more rational than it appears.

  184. Numenius says:

    Woodguy: Pretty sure he turned down more than that on a long term contract last year.

    Yeah, I should have said that would make sense to me, not that it’s necessarily realistic.

  185. RexLibris says:

    book¡je: I’ve gone from watching every game to watching 1 in 5.I also keep turning down free tickets from people.

    I suspect I am one of many.As a tier 2 fan, it’s not that relevant, but I would bet my family/friends are wondering why they are paying for tickets that they can’t even give a away.

    I’m kind of in the same boat.

    I pick up a few tickets along the season as they come, and I’ve never bought a jersey (and following the 2013 lockout am never likely to), I watch games once in awhile, but what entertainment value can I derive from a team who, at their absolute best over the past month have given me only a 50/50 shot at seeing a win and in the meantime are musing over deleterious personnel decisions?

    As someone once said “I love them, I just don’t like them very much right now”.

  186. Gerta Rauss says:

    I mistakenly purchased the Center Ice package after they beat the Rangers in NYC, and then they promptly lost 11 in a row. So I still watch the games, but find myself fast forwarding through them if the score gets out of hand, or, the game is just on in the background while I do other things with my time.

    It’s too bad, I’m still an Oilers fan – and will go to my grave with my Oilers jersey on – but I’m largely indifferent to the team at this point.

  187. Eustace Matthews '16 says:

    Heads up for anyone who does a lot of video streaming – the cost of bits is going up!

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/telus-bails-on-unlimited-internet-bandwidth-plays-on-for-a-price-1.2965470

  188. RexLibris says:

    Gerta Rauss: and will go to my grave with my Oilers jersey on

    Permission to throw your jersey-clad corpse on the ice at their first loss following your demise?

  189. Ca$h-Money! says:

    Woodguy: Sure.

    Marincin is up this year and I don’t see much past $1.5M x 2

    Klef’s bridge will probably be something like $2.5 x 2

    I think you are thinking like an Oilers fan. On short term deals we should be able to get them for cheaper than that. Established NHL players get 1.5 to 2 million contracts.

  190. RexLibris says:

    With Ortio out for 6-8 weeks I think this would be a sound idea.

    http://flamesnation.ca/2015/2/22/why-the-flames-should-claim-ilya-bryzgalov

    There have been rumours that Burke, I mean Treliving, has plans to move Ramo at the deadline.

    No such luxury now.

  191. Woodguy says:

    RexLibris: TV gets paid up front though, correct? So “money’s in the bank see ya later suckers”.

    Corporate sponsorship fed by the many small business owners and the number of executive associations who network in Edmonton is probably an achilles heel there. Edmonton is a big small city. Everybody knows everybody else and while the average guy may always be lining up for tickets, when the corporate guys can’t give away their luxury box tickets maybe a pinch is felt.

    Its my understanding that the TV $ is paid out per game based on the ratings.

    There is X$ for the rights per season then Y$ per viewer.

  192. Gerta Rauss says:

    RexLibris: Permission to throw your jersey-clad corpse on the ice at their first loss following your demise?

    Granted, although MacT may sign my corpse to a PTO and have me playing 3rd pairing minutes with Ference.

    And then I’ll have the last laugh

  193. Woodguy says:

    RexLibris: TV gets paid up front though, correct? So “money’s in the bank see ya later suckers”.

    Corporate sponsorship fed by the many small business owners and the number of executive associations who network in Edmonton is probably an achilles heel there. Edmonton is a big small city. Everybody knows everybody else and while the average guy may always be lining up for tickets, when the corporate guys can’t give away their luxury box tickets maybe a pinch is felt.

    Not to mention that every business looks at $50 Oil and starts cutting costs in anticipation of a slow down.

    Entertainment budget is near the top of the list of variables you can live without.

  194. Pouzar says:

    Gerta Rauss: This is pretty funny

    No it isn’t………I’ve suffering silently for years!

  195. Woodguy says:

    Gerta Rauss: The 2.0 fellow is not DSF-different writing style, he’s not even in the same league as DSF.

    The occasional poster here called CAPITALIST however, may be DSF that slips through LT’s spam filters. I need a larger sample size to be sure however.

    CAPITALIST is too incoherent in thought to be DSF.

  196. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy: Not to mention that every business looks at $50 Oil and starts cutting costs in anticipation of a slow down.

    Entertainment budget is near the top of the list of variables you can live without.

    Good point. I hadn’t considered the oil money.

    I guess I’m just stuck dreaming about that fabled diversified economy we kept hearing so much about the last few years.

  197. Woodguy says:

    Ca$h-Money!: I think you are thinking like an Oilers fan. On short term deals we should be able to get them for cheaper than that. Established NHL players get 1.5 to 2 million contracts.

    Established NHL Dmen playing top 4 minutes do not sign for 1.5-2MM deals.

    RFA Dmen coming off of ELCs do.

    If a UFA NHLer is making that as a Dman they are in the 5-7 variety.

  198. Woodguy says:

    RexLibris: Permission to throw your jersey-clad corpse on the ice at their first loss following your demise?

    I’ll help heave.

  199. spoiler says:

    Woodguy: CAPITALIST is too incoherent in thought to be DSF.

    Agreed. I can usually pick out a DSF sock puppet within about 4 posts, and have done so accurately in the past. Verdad is definitely not DSF, and Capitalist ‘s posts I don’t remember, but if I have read them and the DSF alarm didn’t go off, it’s unlikely it’s him.

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