WHILE TAYLOR HALL’S CONTRACT GENTLY WEEPS

I spent yesterday afternoon watching my NFL team taking a massive risk in an effort to get better. The Philadelphia Eagles are sending out all of their offensive stars (Shady McCoy, Jeremy Maclin, Nick Foles) and replacing them with defensive players and a QB who should be better in terms of accuracy and ball control. Basically, sending out high priced offense for defense and a new pivot. Hmmm. It’s risky business but maybe there’s a lesson here we can apply to Craig MacTavish.

RISK AVERSE

Craig MacTavish has had a strange career as Oilers GM. The only bold thing he’s ever done is to use the word in the first media avail after taking over. Since that day we’ve seen a series of measured chess moves. Boyd Gordon and Andrew Ference in free agency, David Perron acquisition, that crazy trade for Bogdan Yakimov in year one. Mark Fayne, Benoit Pouliot and a fresh dice roll on the goalies in year two. Even the risky stuff—like signing Niki Nikitin—lacks flair.

Maybe Craig MacTavish needs to do something really bold. Instead of patiently waiting for the defensemen to age three years, maybe he could hurry up the process by actually making a bold move. For instance, if the Oilers draft No. 3 overall this summer, what about making a trade for a young defenseman like Victor Hedman or OEL? Kevin Shattenkirk anyone?

If the Oilers decide to trade a forward, who would it be? You’d get best value for Taylor Hall, right? What could you get for Taylor Hall? It would kill me but I have to say anything would be better than another season like the last two: Opening night wobbly goaltending resulting in a ghastly loss, followed by one month of ‘this can NOT be happening’ and then the long, long road of ‘games that don’t matter’ ending the year. No sir. No mas.

OVERHAULING THE DEFENSE IN ONE SUMMER

Could Craig MacTavish overhaul the defense in one summer? We know from his last media avail he’s comfortable with all of Nikitin, Ference, Schultz, Fayne and Klefbom, but what if he was fibbing? Could he turn this rig around in two months this summer? Could he buy out Ference, move Nikitin to 7D, trade Schultz and use those millions to cobble together a better blue?

The problem with hoping for a complete overhaul (new goalie and three new blue?) is there’s little reason to believe the new hires will be better than the current group. MacT’s additions on defense (Ference, Nikitin, Fayne) are two-thirds of the problem, with the other guy apparently on the way to Norris. That’s the real problem with projecting the Oilers into next season: We can talk about signing Sekera or Petry—but the Oilers may be focused on Barret Jackman in free agency or trading for Dennis Seidenberg.

CAN IT BE DONE?

Anaheim made some major moves at the deadline, adding defenders James Wisniewski, Simon Despres and Korbinian Holzer to their group. The Oilers can’t get better next season on defense by standing pat, by running in place. Free agency hasn’t been kind (I’d argue Fayne was a good addition) and I’m not sure you can trust the current management to trade a big piece for a quality defender.

BOXED IN

So, if you can’t trust the management to make astute judgements in the marketplace (trade or free agency) and you don’t have the horses currently to compete next season, what do you do? Wait. Wait on Oscar Klefbom, wait on Darnell Nurse, wait on Noah Hanifin. As horrible as it may appear, if I’m Darryl Katz there’s no money this summer for Barret Jackman or Dennis Seidenberg or even Johnny Boychuk.

We are here. Dead in the water. Best to keep the powder dry, wait for Nikitin’s contract to expire, Klefbom etc to age a year and gain experience and try to find a goalie who won’t kill us. The Taylor Hall contract gently weeps.

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  1. Ca$h-Money! says:

    We’re in deep trouble.

    Here’s what I want, as a fan. I want someone with a media pass to stand up in a press conference, after MacTavish & co. call for patience (which will happen).

    I want that media person to say something along the lines of: “That’s fine. The fans of this city have been patient for years, more patient arguably than any fanbase in hockey has ever been, and can continue to be patient. With that said, at what point is it acceptable for the people that pay for tickets and jersey’s to say enough is enough? If you are calling for patience, are you willing to set a deadline where it’s fair for your fans to say enough is enough?”

    Put it on them to set a date for when failure is no longer acceptable, so that we can finally demand for their heads without them throwing “patience” back at us.

  2. dustrock says:

    possibly your best blog title ever. getting depressing though. 🙂

  3. PhrankLee says:

    “..for every mistake we must surely be learning..”

  4. justDOit says:

    Fall 2016 – opening night in the Oil Drop. That’s when they plan to start playing hockey.

    They better be right, for the benefit of Mr Katz.

  5. bendelson says:

    Preaching patience to the fanbase is one thing…
    What is he telling the players whose careers are dying on the vine in the meantime?

    No, the time for patience is over.

    Do something bold GMacT. Do it this summer.

  6. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Whose fault was the Johnson OT winner last night in Montreal? Gilbert? Petry? Or both?

  7. Captain's Log says:

    Taylor Hall is a great piece but I’m not sure that you’re going to get Victor Hedman or OEL. Tampa has plenty of scoring depth (6 forwards with 45+ points) so trading away their best defender for pure offense seems like a step backwards overall.

    Arizona is in full rebuild mode and we’ve seen here in Edmonton rebuilding is really tough when you’ve got no defence. OEL gives them some stability and is on a beauty contract. I don’t think they’ve got anyone that could come close to replacing him.

    It’s possible St. Louis may decide they need to shed some cap space this summer so if the Oilers can get any of those I would guess it’s Shattenkirk. With only 2 years left on his contract after this one I wouldn’t want to trade Hall and his 5 more years at 6M for just Shattenkirk. We’d need someone else coming back – say Jaskin?

  8. sliderule says:

    The oilers are 28 th in scoring in nhl.

    Please,please Lowetide don’t give the Kingsway boys ideas about trading our best scorer.

    Draft Mceichel fixes the offence.

    If balls fall wrong draft Hanifin and he will play right away and be your best defender within a couple of years.

    Use all the remaining cap money to sign a starting goaltender..If that doesn’t happen all the other moves won’t be worth anything.

  9. wheatnoil says:

    bendelson:
    Preaching patience to the fanbase is one thing…
    What is he telling the players whose careers are dying on the vine in the meantime?

    No, the time for patience is over.

    Do something bold GMacT.Do it this summer.

    It appears we can’t trust that management actually knows what it’s doing. If we start from the premise that management can’t be trusted… then the question is: can things get worse?

    If they can get worse, then it would be best to do nothing. If management struggles to make good decisions, bold decisions are likely to make the situation boldly worse. By minimizing management’s decisions, you minimize their ability to sabotage any progress from the pieces that are already in place.

    If things can’t get any worse… then you really have nothing to lose. You close your eyes, grip tight, and swing for the fences with a hope and a prayer. To mix sports metaphors, it may be time for a hail mary.

  10. justDOit says:

    wheatnoil: it may be time for a bloody mary.

    Ftfy

  11. wheatnoil says:

    justDOit,

    Ha! It was time for that long, long ago!

  12. dustrock says:

    boy, you’ve got to carry that weight. carry that weight a long time.

  13. Pouzar says:

    My only worry is that if we don’t explore a Hall for Defense type deal he is goin to request a trade out of this gong show anyway which will put Mr. “I’m comfortable with our D going into next year” in quite a bind.

  14. John Chambers says:

    Fall 2016 appears to be a much brighter beacon than 2015 for the reasons:
    -Nikitin and Purcells contracts are over, offering $9M to be spent productively elsewhere. Buying these guys out this summer only keeps a hangover into 2016.
    – Klef and Marincin will start the season having flown over 100 sorties each (love this term and have unapologetically stolen it), and Schultz 200. Nurse will have had a year of pro experience.
    – Drai will be ready to be an NHL contributor
    – the kids Hall, Nuge, Ebs, and Yak will no longer be kids.
    – supporting cast like Lander, Pitlick, and Iiro may develop into complimentary players on value contracts.

    This implies that there’s a 16-month timeframe to resolve the outstanding issues:
    – a veteran RHD to replace Petry. It might be Boychuk, and it might be a Coburn-like player acquired at the draft in 2016
    – a goaler. A good one. Not Niemi.
    – a defensive C to replace Gordon (May be Lander)
    – perhaps a quality C or D acquired through free agency similar to how Chicago signed Campbell and Hossa when they were ready to take a step forward.

    I agree with LoweTide in that playoffs are unlikely next season, but a year of development under Nelson might put us in a very strong position to break out after the list decade.

    However pieces must be acquired this summer – especially on D. This organization is simply not in a position to thumb their nose up at the possibility of signing a Boychuk if there’s a reasonable (5 or less for 5 or less) to be signed.

  15. Rondo says:

    Corey Pronman @coreypronman

    2G 6P in 3 games for Crouse since moved onto a line w Sam Bennett and Spencer Watson. That should

    be interesting to track in closing weeks.

  16. justDOit says:

    wheatnoil,

    I was thinking this morning…

  17. J-Bo says:

    Dear Mr. Mactavish,

    I know it might sound crazy to you, but I am tired of losing. Could you please buy out Mr. Ference, Mr. Nikitin, and sign both Mr. Boychuk and Mr. Petry this summer? While you are at it, please make sure you do not trade for Mr. Phaneuf and his bloated contract. Also, can you please decide that Marincin is an excellent prospect. Thank-you.

    Sincerely,

    Crazy Tired of Losing

    Boychuk – Petry
    Marincin – Fayne
    Klefbom – Schultz

  18. bendelson says:

    wheatnoil: It appears we can’t trust that management actually knows what it’s doing. If we start from the premise that management can’t be trusted… then the question is: can things get worse?

    If they can get worse, then it would be best to do nothing. If management struggles to make good decisions, bold decisions are likely to make the situation boldly worse. By minimizing management’s decisions, you minimize their ability to sabotage any progress from the pieces that are already in place.

    If things can’t get any worse… then you really have nothing to lose. You close your eyes, grip tight, and swing for the fences with a hope and a prayer. To mix sports metaphors, it may be time for a hail mary.

    Swing away GMacT.

  19. frjohnk says:

    With Petry the numbers are showing that our team defence when looking at shots and scoring chances against were…..not that far from league average.

    shots against/60
    Edmonton 29.2
    League average 28.8

    scoring chances against/60
    Edmonton 27.7
    League average 26.1

    Arrow ( high and medium danger) shots against/60
    Edmonton 16.7
    League average 15.9

    I doubt we get a number 1 D man but I do think we can replace Petry through free agency.

    My questions for next year.

    Do Klefbom, Schultz and Marincin make a step forward, stay in place or regress?
    Is a healthy and in shape Nikitin ( if not bought out) a top 4 defenceman?

    If we replace Petry
    If the 3 young guys make a step forward
    If Nikitin is healthy and in shape ( not sure he is top 4 in this case though

    I say that this team defence would be closer to league average than it is a bottom feeder and I don’t think defence is the main problem.

    If we want to turn north, we need goaltending to be above league average.

  20. stush18 says:

    John Chambers,

    This is exactly it. We also will have whoever we draft this year likely playing on the team, as well as yakimov and sleppy, among others, fighting for a spot on the team. Also if im not mistaken, that is a good year for ufas. Perfect time for us to utilize that cap space.

    16-17 season is the year they are fighting for, and eakins basically said as much.

    If we could get a gm who knew how to gm, we would be golden.

  21. Jesse says:

    I love love love Taylor Hall, but depending on who the Oilers draft I wouldn’t mind seeing him traded. If they draft McEichel they have a new franchise player and suddenly a C depth chart of RNH-McEichel-Draisaitl-Gordon/Lander/Yakimov for the future. Yes, trading Hall for the sake of another new franchise player sets the winning even further in the future, but who are we kidding, there’s no end in sight as it is. The return that Hall could bring back would be (hopefully) huge enough to balance out the defense.

    Additionally, I want Taylor Hall to be free of this garbage dump. Just imagine the joy on his face seeing him score an OT playoff goal. That poor young man.

    The Hall rebuild is definitively dead. If (and only if) you can get equal value for him on D, then I would do it.

  22. 719 says:

    Green may be a better option if you can get him on a 3 year contract. Puts up more offence than Petry, and the short term would be what the Oilers need for cap reasons.

    If its a trade, I would target Carlson from Washington, seems like a reasonable bet to be a 1st pairing RD, currently the Oilers do not have anyone like him. He also gets a lot of points. The 3rd overall may get that trade done.

    We need a 1st line C. A guy that can score at a point per game clip and play reasonable defence. The only guy I can think of that may be available is Joe Thorton, but I doubt he would waive his no trade clause to come here.

  23. season not played says:

    The Oilers need to finish with a 15 points in 15 games to reach the point totals they achieved in the 2009-2010 and 2010-2011 seasons. I don’t recall all the particulars of those seasons, but iirc winning wasn’t a huge priority. I don’t think the team will play .500 hockey down the stretch which means this will be the worst edition of the Oilers of all time. No real need to elaborate on that. When you compare the tenures of Tambellini v MacTavish, I think it is fair to say that while Tambo was frustratingly and ineffectively calculating, MacT has done more damage to the team with his mouth and kneejerk decision making. What GM sewers his starting goalie in the media in the offseason and then flushes him after a half season slump after the organization has invested ten years in the guy? I know, a lot of circumstances have factored into Dubnyks rebound, but that was a high pedigree asset hitting with a steady progression, hitting the age when goalies start to get it who had a slump. Probably a confidence thing, wonder what could have caused that. Thing is, I don’t even blame MacT, he is just a guy in over his head who has no idea what he is doing, or Lowe for that matter. At this point it is on Daryl Katz for not recognizing that he is employing incompetent management for his hockey team and making a change. Unfortunately, it may take a couple of unsuccessful years in the new building and an attendance decline before any real change takes place.

    2009-2010, bad team with very little in the system in terms of prospects and a bleak future.
    5 year rebuild complete with three first overall draft picks
    2014-2015, worse team with very little in the system in terms of prospects and a bleak future.

    Check Hockey’s Future.

  24. Fish82 says:

    My trade would be Hall for OEL, (ONLY BECAUSE I CAN’T SEE ARIZONA DOING THAT TRADE FOR #2 or #3 – If they would, lets do it) but, I would like to put a kink in that trade. I would also shoot for the Oilers to have the OPTION of swapping picks with ARI. Make it a conditional swap. If no swap ARI gets our 2nd (32 OV for free – so the trade is Hall + 32 OV = OEL = ARI wins, and we replace Hall with MCEICHEL), If we do swap to get ARI’s pick #2, we have to give up PIT’s 1st with #3 Replace Hall with Eichel OR (probably the best bet) keep three and draft Marner to replace Hall (sort of) thus retaining PIT’s pick and only giving up 32nd. If ARI wins the lottery, and we exercise the swap, we give up #3 and PIT’s 1st, and our 32 OV for McDavid.

  25. nelson88 says:

    Hall is a great player but if you can get a bonafide #1 D for him you do it and don’t think twice. Much of the oilers lack of offensive production is due to the fact that the get very little scoring from the back end and their top end forwards are handicapped by the team spending too much time in their own end.

    Best case scenario if you get McEichel. Worst case you get Strome or Marner or Hanafin and you keep them down for a year and make some adjustments at the NHL level.

    McEichel – RNH – Ebs
    Pouliot – Roy – Yak
    Drai – Lander – Purcell (would trade him but not likely to happen)
    Hendricks – Gordon – Klink

    Klef – Weber/OEL/Hedman etc.
    Marincin – Jultz (would prefer he be traded but not going to happen)
    Ference – Fayne
    trade Nitkinin with 1/2 salary retained.

    Bernier/Anderson etc.
    Scrivens

    Not a cup contender but a realistic playoff contender with only one; admittedly difficult, move to make and a couple very manageable follow ups.

  26. Woodguy says:

    sliderule:
    The oilers are 28 th in scoring in nhl.

    Please,please Lowetide don’t give the Kingsway boys ideas about trading our best scorer.

    Draft Mceichel fixes the offence.

    If balls fall wrong draft Hanifin and he will play right away and be your best defender within a couple of years.

    Use all the remaining cap money to sign a starting goaltender..If that doesn’t happen all the other moves won’t be worth anything.

    i disagree with the assumption that the Oilers don’t score because their F’s can’t score.

    There are two scoring situations, 5v4 and 5v5.

    Nelson’s 5v4 is excellent and is producing.

    They still can’t produce 5v5.

    I am of the opinion that the Dcorps is the reason why this team can’t score 5v5.

    Why?

    The key to scoring 5v5 is possession and shots in the ozone.

    To get possession and shots you need to enter the ozone with possession. (you can dump and chase but it results in 50% less shot attempts then entering with possession, even for gifted players like Jagr)

    To enter the ozone with possession you need to have possession through the neutral zone.

    To have possession through the neutral zone you need to exit the dzone with the puck.

    To exit the dzone with the puck you have to Dmen who can break the cycle/scoop rebounds and make the right first pass to start the break out.

    This is what the Oilers lack and this is why they can’t score.

    They also lack C’s to quarterback the break out. Right now they have 1, RNH, although Lander is coming along nicely.

    Oilers haven’t had offensive talent up front like they do now in a long, long time, but they aren’t entering the ozone with possession much at all.

    Last time Edmonton had a decent Dcrops and C’s who could QB the break out was MacT’s last year in 08/09

    Dcorps that year (sorted by total TOI)

    Souray
    Gilbert
    Staios
    Grebs
    Viz
    Smid

    C’s: (sorted by FO taken)
    Horc
    Gagner
    Cogliano
    Brodziak

    That Oilers team scored 2.43 goals/60 5v5 and were 12th in the NHL.

    This year’s team, with more offensively gifted forwards, scored 1.81 goas/60 5v5 and is 28th.

    I know its easy to think that a lack of goals means the forwards aren’t any good, but that’s not nearly the entire story.

    The Oilers have one Dman who can create a turnover in the dzone and make the first pass to the right guy

    Klefbom.

    Fayne is ok, not good.
    Mairncin is ok, not good (although he excels mostly at not allowing the zone entry)
    Schultz is not even ok at it.
    Ference is awful at it.
    Aulie is awful at it
    *random rookie* will be awful at it because they are a rookie.

    Its the Dcorps.

    Has been for years and year and the talent level keeps dropping and the exact kind of Dmen the Oilers need are the exact kind of Dmen that MacT doesn’t “visually” like.

  27. slopitch says:

    Oilers need to move 2016 1st (or Jultz) + 2015 Pittsburgh 1st + a d prospect (say Musil) for OEL. They have been trying to get that stud dman since 2006. Do that and every other defender will look better. The rest of the summer really wont matter if they do this (with potential major lottery bonus). The goaltending will be better and with Drai/Roy/lottery pick, Im pretty happy with the forward lines.

    Overhaul the D? Not required. Let NN go to Russia and get a player capable of being a #1 dman.

  28. knighttown says:

    The thing is, waiting is no longer going to do it unless you’re talking about waiting another 7 years. 3 years ago we had massive amounts of untapped potential but gradually, year by year, the curtain is drawn back and its far more clear what we have than it has been since Rebuild 1.0 began so many years ago.

    Opening day 2016-17 with age on opening day 2016 in brackets:

    The true unknowns:

    1. Darnell Nurse (22)- I’m not sure anyone is projecting him to be Shea Weber…the offense just doesn’t seem to be there. Most are saying a very toolsy and impressive player…think Eric Johnson or Joni PItkanen. But how big a gap is 22 year old Nurse vs. 27 year old Petry? I doubt if it’s a gap at all and perhaps the edge goes to Petry.

    2. Hanifan (20)- Assuming we miss McEichel as the odds say is most likely, you’ve got Noah Hanifan. Being optimistic and saying he’s Ekblad, he’d be firmly in our Top 4 at the age of 20.

    The mostly unknowns:

    1. Leon Draisatl (21)- We’ve seen what he is right now, that is, an anchor that is being roundly outplayed by a waiver-wire pickup (Corsi be damned). Most here are saying he belongs in the AHL next year and perhaps he is as good as Roy after Christmas. So projecting at 21, is that growth curve showing a true difference maker? Definitely possible at 25 or 26 but can we agree it’s unlikely he’s a number 1 center in 2 years?

    The developers:

    I said it at the time and was roundly booed but it seems likely that we’ve seen the best offensively we’ll see from Eberle (27) and Hall (25). Offensive players peak production comes earlier than you think and those who take-off later do so in large part because of opportunity. Eberle and Hall have been given tons of minutes, first PP time and the best teammates from Day 1. They were also given “the push”, weaker competition when possible and offensive zone starts. But as new kids come along those minutes are deployed elsewhere. What tends to happen is that the kids get better and so can produce at almost the same rate as with tougher sledding.

    1. Nuge (24) is younger and has handled the tough sledding already so he could still have significant growth in his production.

    2. Yak (24) is young but only 5 months younger than RNH and showing signs but I’d expect that as he improves he’ll be asked to play tougher minutes and so instead of exploding, you’ll see a gradual improvement. Perhaps 25+ in a sheltered role or 20 goals in a tougher role.

    3. Schultz (27) is a perfect example. It’s not possible to gift him better minutes so whatever improvements he makes will be offset by the need to give those softies to someone else like Nurse or Hanifan.

    4. Klefbom (24)- I reviewed him recently and he’s had average results with a less than average degree difficulty of minutes. Defensemen do develop later so at 24 it’s quite possible he could be either sawing off against really tough minutes or winning the battle against middling competition.

    Marincin (25) and Lander (26) are at the head of the class of the chaff but every team has guys like these. Potentially mid-pairing and middle six forwards.

    So for the kids who are projected to be key difference makers, in 2 years, what do you have?

    At forward, Nuge will get better and Draisatl will be much better and possibly even a reasonable #2C and an upgrade on Roy. The wings are what they are (pretty good) but don’t expect exponential growth.

    At defense, Klefbom might be able to do what Petry did. Fayne will still be Fayne…either getting his teeth kicked in against the toughs or holding his own against moderate competition. Nurse could be better than anyone else from today’s roster and so could Hanifan.

    Klefbom (24)-Fayne (30) really hard minutes
    Schultz (27)- Hanifan (20) really soft minutes
    Nurse (22)- Marincin (25) mid-level minutes

    Goalies; fuck, I could be playing nets by then.

    They really did time this poorly. In 2016-17 that defense will be JUST starting to be able to hold its own and if it becomes an actual great group it probably isn’t until Nurse is 26 and Hanifan is 24.

    2020-21

    Seriously.

    We haven’t noticed it but the clock has been reset again. If you could possibly ignore the past decade and objectively project this team’s future you’d say that they are building down the middle and from the back end and that the direction is pretty decent. Keeping the powder dry is the right play here but it isn’t to compete for the Stanley in 2016 that’s for sure.

    They are essentially in the same place as Buffalo, Toronto, Calgary and Arizona; at the beginning of a long rebuild that Hall and Eberle aren’t the core of. The difference is, those teams will be given time to rebuild but in Edmonton that can’t happen because of the past decade.

  29. Yeti says:

    “We know from his last media avail he’s comfortable with all of Nikitin, Ference, Schultz, Fayne and Klefbom, but what if he was fibbing?”

    Sadly, as Woodguy has shown, MacT tends not to fib. I think there’s 0 chance he buys either of Nikitin or Ference out. That would be to admit a huge mistake, something we simply don’t see in Oilers’ management. There’s simply no way it happens. Far more likely to see a young defenceman traded for a more established one. This does not make me happy.

  30. LMHF#1 says:

    The only bold thing that Mr. “this the ONLY WAAAAYYYY!” could do that I’d actually trust is to quit and let someone else go get the required pieces. His judgement on players is way off and he won’t let people who know tell him who to get.

  31. LMHF#1 says:

    Woodguy: i disagree with the assumption that the Oilers don’t score because their F’s can’t score.

    Its the Dcorps.

    This. All day long. Ever since Visnovsky was moved especially. Transition is everything. Remember watching Hemsky and Visnovsky on the ice at the same time? It was so effortless to gain the offensive zone.

  32. Kosmo Kraemer says:

    MacT traded away Perron and Petry. Both deletions hurt the team.

    My concern is who is MacT going to get rid of at the draft?

    Marincin is a RFA at July 1st and we know that MM has pissed of MacT somehow, doesn’t matter how but that has happened.

    Will MacT finally see what the rest of us are seeing or will he continue on as he is.

    And after the draft, going into next year, who will he find to get rid of because the sideburns are too long?????

  33. su_dhillon says:

    I thought we might see a Chip kelly vs mactavish post today 😉

    I like that Chip is bold and willing to take some risk but I have 2 issues, 1) how much risk is too much? and 2) do you understand value? With the Eagles I think I’m ok with Chip taking on guys with injury risk but if you are taking that risk then you should get it at a discount. Chip payed a dear price in terms of compensation and cap hit. I don’t think he realizes how much value a 2nd rd pick has in todays NFL and how valuable cap space is.

    With Mactavish we have seen almost zero willingness to take on risk and like Kelly I think he also doesn’t understand the value of his assets. Mactavish undervalues productive but un-sexy players like Petry but is enamored with young assets that have sparkly futures and that coach killer ‘Potential’. There also seems to be zero willingness to acknowledge mistakes and instead he seems intent on doubling and tripling down (see Jultz, Nikitin)

    In the end I think it comes down to what LT talks about a lot, GM’s learning on the job, Chip and MacT were both coaches but had basically zero experience in management at the pro level. They like what they like and are out to prove that they know better than the everyone else. As a fan of both teams, it scares the hell out of me.

  34. russ99 says:

    LT – I’m so hoping for a massive pro scouting overhaul this summer after the “forensic audit”.

    MacT isn’t blameless, but it’s pretty safe to assume (like Tambellini before him) he’s getting questionable scouting before making those moves.

    That’s my only hope of getting quality players in here.

    Also, I’m on board for moving Eberle and keeping Hall. Trading Hall for less than elite talent would be a Thrashers move, and a Thrashers trade is the only thing between this group and the historically most inept management of all time.

  35. Armchair GM says:

    John Tavares was in the same situation on the island (now that is a value contract the Islanders have) until Garth Snow decided he needed to protect his job security and landed a real #1 goalie and a couple of steady high pairing defensemen. Now no one can tell me he had that plan all along but the Islander example shows how only a few key pieces can turn the fortunes of a team around. Put Halak, Boychuk and Leddy in Copper and Blue and our season would have been headed far north.

  36. frjohnk says:

    Leafs throwing everything they can at the tank battle

    Leafs sit Kadri for 3 games
    http://www.tsn.ca/video/shanahan-there-s-a-history-here-1.227862

  37. judgedrude says:

    If only city council didn’t drag their feet on the downtown arena, maybe the “we have to have a good team” deadline would have passed already instead of Fall 2016.

  38. sliderule says:

    Woodguy,

    I agree with you but I just don’t think that trading your best scorer for a D will get you a push .

    The reason being is like you say our centres are not good enough.

    The only one move I see making a big difference would be a goalie who can stop at league average emerging from a trade or UFA.

    I typed in UFA and spell check changed to Uganda so maybe it knows something about oilers chances of getting one.

  39. LoDog says:

    Of course MacT is fibbing about the defence. Just like he was fibbing about the centre situation. I don’t have much faith in his abilities but he is not an idiot.

    Hey everyone in the league, we couldn’t get a single centre to sign with us, we are so fucked. Could someone please trade me one and not bend me over in the process.

  40. theres oil in virginia says:

    Not sure why you’re stressing about the Eagles, LT. They have potentially improved dramatically. The defense could turn out to be extremely good this year, and they were pretty good last year.

    Foles is no better or worse than Bradford (maybe a little worse), but in the Eagles offense, Bradford could be really good.

    Maclin was due for more money than he’s worth, they haven’t yet replaced him, but I imagine they will soon. Jordan Matthews is good, but needs another top-talent with him.

    Eagles reunited an old Seahawks CB pair…could be good, but injuries are an issue. That LB they got is an injury risk, but if healthy, he could be stellar.

    McCoy is good, but last year in that offense, he was wasted. Gore would have been a nice fit. They need to replace him, but FA signings ain’t over.

    Kelly thinks (and probably is right) that he needs to pay for the talent on defense, and let him work his magic with young talent on offense and a multitude of weapons. It’s very interesting to watch.

  41. Unicorns says:

    Woodguy,

    Bang on. The thing is Lowe for sure knows this. I can’t remember where but read an interview with him talking about CFP and the perfectly timed outlet passes.

  42. rickithebear says:

    Rondo:
    Corey Pronman @coreypronman

    2G 6P in 3 games for Crouse since moved onto a line w Sam Bennett and Spencer Watson. That should

    be interesting to track in closing weeks.

    Remeber i kepp saying he has an elite even NHL finish but would be interesting to see his Assist count with NHL players.

    49GM 16A .33 APG
    feeding forwards
    Scoring .26GPG

    Last 2 games 4A
    Feeding a .86 GPG center and .32 GPG wing.
    Based on A rate relative to line mates would expect .75 APG
    that would be a 72P fwd in NHL @22
    30G 42A

    Keep tracking Mr. pronman

  43. Woogie63 says:

    FORGET bold. We are not going to get any quality moving to this city this team or this GM. Millionaire players want to win and have fun. The city is too remote, too cold and too into players lives;
    The team has no track record of winning, and in fact is too often committed to losing, and that has to be awful to play on a team that accepts losing. MacT has inspired nobody, he can’t get impact players to make the team better and on/off ice personal don’t want to put there careers into a bottom 5 GMs hands…

    Stay will the draft, that is the best hope for long term winning hockey.

  44. hags9k says:

    The only hope for next year is that the wait on Darnell is a short one. He needs to be lightning in a bottle right out of the gate, or else we are indeed dead in the water.

    How management has put us in a worse position from 365 days ago is just amazing. There was hardly any room to get worse, but they found a way. Off with their heads.

  45. rickithebear says:

    Remeber when Hemsky and Vish were on the Ice mostly with
    Penner-Horcoff- Souray – Roloson

    and Penner; Horcoff; Souray; Roloson
    could protect our D zone from hemsky’s and Vish’s roving!

    Gosh how awkward souray’s skating looked.
    Aulie Awkward! What is his EVGA again!
    But Souray was one of the best Box protection d in the game.

    Horcoff: no wonder Hall and yak had great WOWY numbers with him.
    Their walk about looked like structured play Compared to hemsky and Vish.

    But best of all penner’s puck control in the OZ really allowed for limited DZ pressure.

    it usually only ocured when walk about Hemsky turned over the puck leading to Odd man rushes.
    If horcoff did not anticipate hemsky turning over the puck.
    Yep!
    Remember it real well!

  46. Woodguy says:

    sliderule:
    Woodguy,

    I agree with you but I just don’t think that trading your best scorerfor a D will get you a push .

    The reason being is like you say our centres are not good enough.

    The only one move I see making a big difference would be a goalie who can stop at league average emerging from a trade or UFA.

    I typed in UFA and spell check changed to Uganda so maybe it knows something about oilers chances ofgetting one.

    i don’t trade Hall.

    If the OIlers get McJesus or Eichel AND you can get OEL (or same) for Hall, then ok, but that’s a pretty strictly defined set of circumstances. (DrySaddle can play LW with RNH, McEichel, Lander, Gordon at C)

    Roy is not good at the break out either.

    Everyone wants him re-signed but the Oilers need to aim higher.

    He’s like a glass of water in the desert right now, but the Oilers need a big 4L jug at 2C, not a glass.

    I think players like Yak, Roy, and Julz and pretty good in the Ozone, but they don’t help you at all to get there.

  47. maudite says:

    knighttown:
    The thing is, waiting is no longer going to do it unless you’re talking about waiting another 7 years.3 years ago we had massive amounts of untapped potential but gradually, year by year, the curtain is drawn back and its far more clear what we have than it has been since Rebuild 1.0 began so many years ago.

    Opening day 2016-17 with age on opening day 2016 in brackets:

    The true unknowns:

    1. Darnell Nurse (22)- I’m not sure anyone is projecting him to be Shea Weber…the offense just doesn’t seem to be there.Most are saying a very toolsy and impressive player…think Eric Johnson or Joni PItkanen.But how big a gap is 22 year old Nurse vs. 27 year old Petry?I doubt if it’s a gap at all and perhaps the edge goes to Petry.

    2. Hanifan (20)- Assuming we miss McEichel as the odds say is most likely, you’ve got Noah Hanifan.Being optimistic and saying he’s Ekblad, he’d be firmly in our Top 4 at the age of 20.

    The mostly unknowns:

    1. Leon Draisatl (21)- We’ve seen what he is right now, that is, an anchor that is being roundly outplayed by a waiver-wire pickup (Corsi be damned).Most here are saying he belongs in the AHL next year and perhaps he is as good as Roy after Christmas.So projecting at 21, is that growth curve showing a true difference maker?Definitely possible at 25 or 26 but can we agree it’s unlikely he’s a number 1 center in 2 years?

    The developers:

    I said it at the time and was roundly booed but it seems likely that we’ve seen the best offensively we’ll see from Eberle (27) and Hall (25).Offensive players peak production comes earlier than you think andthose who take-off later do so in large part because of opportunity.Eberle and Hall have been given tons of minutes, first PP time and the best teammates from Day 1.They were also given “the push”, weaker competition when possible and offensive zone starts.But as new kids come along those minutes are deployed elsewhere.What tends to happen is that the kids get better and so can produce at almost the same rate as with tougher sledding.

    1. Nuge (24) is younger and has handled the tough sledding already so he could still have significant growth in his production.

    2. Yak (24) is young but only 5 months younger than RNH and showing signs but I’d expect that as he improves he’ll be asked to play tougher minutes and so instead of exploding, you’ll see a gradual improvement.Perhaps 25+ in a sheltered role or 20 goals in a tougher role.

    3. Schultz (27) is a perfect example.It’s not possible to gift him better minutes so whatever improvements he makes will be offset by the need to give those softies to someone else like Nurse or Hanifan.

    4. Klefbom (24)- I reviewed him recently and he’s had average results with a less than average degree difficulty of minutes.Defensemen do develop later so at 24 it’s quite possible he could be either sawing off against really tough minutes or winning the battle against middling competition.

    Marincin (25) and Lander (26) are at the head of the class of the chaff but every team has guys like these. Potentially mid-pairing and middle six forwards.

    So for the kids who are projected to be key difference makers, in 2 years, what do you have?

    At forward, Nuge will get better and Draisatl will be much better and possibly even a reasonable #2C and an upgrade on Roy.The wings are what they are (pretty good) but don’t expect exponential growth.

    At defense, Klefbom might be able to do what Petry did.Fayne will still be Fayne…either getting his teeth kicked in against the toughs or holding his own against moderate competition. Nurse could be better than anyone else from today’s roster and so could Hanifan.

    Klefbom (24)-Fayne (30) really hard minutes
    Schultz (27)- Hanifan (20) really soft minutes
    Nurse (22)- Marincin (25) mid-level minutes

    Goalies; fuck, I could be playing nets by then.

    They really did time this poorly.In 2016-17 that defense will be JUST starting to be able to hold its own and if it becomes an actual great group it probably isn’t until Nurse is 26 and Hanifan is 24.

    2020-21

    Seriously.

    We haven’t noticed it but the clock has been reset again.If you could possibly ignore the past decade and objectively project this team’s future you’d say that they are building down the middle and from the back end and that the direction is pretty decent.Keeping the powder dry is the right play here but it isn’t to compete for the Stanley in 2016 that’s for sure.

    They are essentially in the same place as Buffalo, Toronto, Calgary and Arizona; at the beginning of a long rebuild that Hall and Eberle aren’t the core of.The difference is, those teams will be given time to rebuild but in Edmonton that can’t happen because of the past decade.

    This is exactly perfect. Drafting BPA is the right method but you need at least DMA (decent management available) to manage these assets and identify positions of strength/weakness and deal from them.

    There was a way to correct this. It involved selling high on players. I can’t recall the entire Lowe era ever really selling high on anyone. As money became available they progressively bought high though.

  48. trevorj says:

    Once there was a way, to get back homeward.
    Once there was a way to get back home…

    Trading Taylor Hall would be very fitting for this period in oilers history. The crappy little maraschino cherry on top of this shit sundae. We are being spoon fed crap. Its crap. Trading Taylor Hall therefore is highly likely here in Oilerville because it (oilerville) operates in its own private reality and that reality is a vast realm of nonsense. Its garbage. Oilerville does not deserve a sublime talent such as Taylor Hall until it comes back to reality.

  49. Магия 10 says:

    Problem with MacT is that he needed some guys to anchor the D. So he went out and got some anchors for D.

  50. LMHF#1 says:

    rickithebear:
    Remeber when Hemsky and Vish were on the Ice mostly with
    Penner-Horcoff- Souray – Roloson

    and Penner; Horcoff; Souray; Roloson
    could protect our D zone from hemsky’s and Vish’s roving!

    Except for the fact that Hemsky played the C role in the defensive zone most of the time.

  51. rich says:

    LMHF#1: This. All day long. Ever since Visnovsky was moved especially. Transition is everything. Remember watching Hemsky and Visnovsky on the ice at the same time? It was so effortless to gain the offensive zone.

    You guys are bang on. Take you back to 2006-07 the year after the SCF run. With Pronger and Spacek gone, the best puck movers on the team, the Oilers had to start changing tactics and they struggled to adjust. MacT frequently talked about the forwards having to come deeper in their own zone, not being able to cheat for offense because the defensemen couldn’t make a pass.

    It’s this all over again. And it’s going to make your goaltending even look worse because the puck is going to stay in your zone longer. We’re seeing it now, the Oilers simply can’t handle effective forechecking teams and are coughing up one scoring chance after another right now.

  52. hags9k says:

    I’d deal Hall in a Dougie Hamilton + style deal. There is no easy way out of this. Dealing Hall is chopping the zombie bit arm off quickly, but standing pat and waiting is like a mouth’s worth of root canals with no anesthetic. We are in for pain no matter what. We are here.

  53. justDOit says:

    trevorj: Once there was a way, to get back homeward.
    Once there was a way to get back home…

    Day after day

    Alone on a hill…

  54. Woodguy says:

    Unicorns:
    Woodguy,

    Bang on. The thing is Lowe for sure knows this. I can’t remember where but read an interview with him talking about CFP and the perfectly timed outlet passes.

    That’s the part I don’t get.

    Lowe and MacT should know this stuff cold and they just don’t seem to be any damn good it.

    Lowe was good at it before…….

  55. leadfarmer says:

    If Hall doesn’t find a way to stay in the lineup consistently, wasting that contract will be the least of our worries.

  56. Hammers says:

    Oilers plan won’t include trading Hall or our 1st this year but I do think they add both a goalie and 1 “D” and 1 “C” . Katz wants a playoff bound team in 16-17 for the new building and I see $18 mill in savings that year . Nikitin , Purcell , Ference , Gordon & Hendricks . Coming in will be Leon , Nurse , this years 1st , Yakimov with a couple of other Condors bubbling under . Halls value is now at its lowest so he needs a good upcoming year for McT to make his bold move . A few positive moves can happen this year as teams may have to beat the cap and Lander & Roy will both be added unless he goes after a Kadri type of “C” . I can accept accept this as he can then decide on long term deals for Schultz & Yak dependent on there 15-16 seasons . I do see a plan in place and it revolves around the new building.

  57. frjohnk says:

    rickithebear: Remeber i kepp saying he has an elite even NHL finish but would be interesting to see his Assist count with NHL players.

    49GM 16A .33 APG
    feeding forwards
    Scoring .26GPG

    Last 2 games 4A
    Feeding a .86 GPG center and .32 GPG wing.
    Based on A rate relative to line mates would expect .75 APG
    that would be a 72P fwd in NHL @22
    30G 42A

    Keep tracking Mr. pronman

    Ricki
    I totally understand the NHLE you use to forecast prospects cause I use pretty much the same thing.

    But a handful of games is a small sample size. Very small.

    Lets see how he finishes the year. Then do a NHLE @22 with Bennett as his center and a NHLE @22 without Bennett.

    I do think there is merit about him not playing on an offensive team ( his team scores 2.85 goals per game, average OHL team scores 3.6 gpg) and not having offensive players.

    I said it before that it is not out of the question that on an offensive team he could have something like 35 goals 30 assists in 51 games as compared to 27 goals and 18 assists as he has now.

    If he closes the year with a 1.25 to 1.5 pts per game average with Bennett as his center it will sure make things interesting.

  58. TemujinBC says:

    Really like that Tim Fraggle interview, he seems like he’d be a really good coach.

    And of course McCurdy is Klefbom-level dreamy.

    What a good first hour today’s show was.

  59. wheatnoil says:

    Woodguy: That’s the part I don’t get.

    Lowe and MacT should know this stuff cold and they just don’t seem to be any damn good it.

    Lowe was good at it before…….

    I’ve mentioned this before, but GM Lowe struggled with forwards and GM MacT struggles with defense. GM Lowe got enough D and got a coach (MacT) who could get the most out of his forwards. GM MacT can get forwards. He hasn’t needed to get a lot of top 6 forwards, but he’s found them (Pouliot, Perron) as well as bottom 6-ers. He can’t find a D-man.

    Just throwing this out there… maybe the problem isn’t that Lowe has too much influence in the room. Maybe MacT is too strong-willed that he won’t listen to Lowe’s advice on defense.

    Or maybe they’ve gotten lost in the woods and they (and we) are just plain screwed.

  60. theres oil in virginia says:

    theres oil in virginia,

    More Eagles stuff for LT, looks like they’re going to sign Ryan Matthews, former SD RB. That could make a very good tandem with Sproles. Matthews could really excel in that role, if healthy. Big if.

    Now, just need to figure out what the plan is for WR#1.

  61. GCW_69 says:

    Woodguy: i don’t trade Hall.

    If the OIlers get McJesus or Eichel AND you can get OEL (or same) for Hall, then ok, but that’s a pretty strictly defined set of circumstances. (DrySaddle can play LW with RNH, McEichel, Lander, Gordon at C)

    Roy is not good at the break out either.

    Everyone wants him re-signed but the Oilers need to aim higher.

    He’s like a glass of water in the desert right now, but the Oilers need a big 4L jug at 2C, not a glass.

    I think players like Yak, Roy, and Julz and pretty good in the Ozone, but they don’t help you at all to get there.

    If we are going to consider trading Hall for a top defender (and I would trade him for the right defender), it’s too bad we don’t have a guy like Perron to help fill the void.

    Pouliot – Nuge – Eberle

    Perron – McEichel – Purcell

    Roy – Lander – Yak

    Hendricks – Gordon – whomever

    Klefbom – Hall return

    Marincin – Schultz

    Nikitin – Fayne

    Ah well. We have that shiny draft pick instead.

  62. LMHF#1 says:

    Woogie63:
    FORGET bold.We are not going to get any quality moving tothis citythis team or this GM.Millionaire players want to win and have fun.The city is too remote, too cold and too into players lives;
    The team has no track record of winning, and in fact is too often committed to losing, and that has to be awful to play on a team that accepts losing.MacT has inspired nobody, he can’t get impact players to make the team better and on/off ice personal don’t want to put there careers into a bottom 5 GMs hands…

    Stay will the draft, that is the best hope for long term winning hockey.

    No team has used this strategy and won a damn thing in the UFA NHL.

    The BS EXCUSES about the city are just that – complete BS excuses.

    People don’t get the mountains that can be moved by an owner like Katz.

  63. Unicorns says:

    knighttown,

    I agree that we know who Hall and Eberle are as players, they’ll grow and mature but aren’t going to be Crosby, but I don’t think offense is cut and dried for these players given how messed up the Oilers are.

    Woodguy’s point about the D is right. And everyone on a bad team looks worse, on a good or great team better.

  64. McSorley33 says:

    theres oil in virginia,

    More Eagles stuff for LT, looks like they’re going to sign Ryan Matthews, former SD RB. That could make a very good tandem with Sproles. Matthews could really excel in that role, if healthy. Big if.
    Now, just need to figure out what the plan is for WR#1.
    *************************************************************
    It is like and Injured Reserve – fantasy team.

  65. Alpine says:

    I’m actually not surprised the Oilers are still a ways from getting to the playoffs, because I always thought the rebuild since Tambo’s era was very overhyped. I never saw a core of mostly wingers with one or two good Cs and no great D really going anywhere other than hovering around 20th place or lower. And other than three of those hitting the ground running, while the rest have struggled, there wasn’t much outside those teenagers other than Gagner and Petry entering their primes with Horcoff and Hemsky exiting theirs. Any hype of their prospect pool was just standard fan-bias for a pretty average prospect pool outside the 1OVs. Justin Schultz was a very good prospect given way too much fanfare and on-ice responsibility for a rookie/sophomore D.

    I can’t really blame them for going BPA with Yak or Hall or Eberle or even Paajarvi, so the luck of where they were in the draft maybe hampered their ability to grab a blue chipper C/D outside of RNH and recent 1st rounders. However, Tambo did a crappy job of finding vet D to offset their lack of blue chippers, finding decent bottom six guys, or taking gambles on other young players, and handcuffed the team’s goaltending situation with Khabi’s contract who up took a spot that could have been filled by a better, younger goalie who could compete with Dubnyk.

    So while MacT hasn’t done the best job and probably should be let go for the sake of being a BOTB and some notable blunders, he’s had to construct a full roster outside of one good line of forwards, and some maybe prospects. The types of players he’s brought in the past two offseasons should have been signed in the 2012 offseason. They should have got better partners for Petry and Schultz two years ago, although Smid kind of hit a wall in 2013 that may or may not have been foreseen. Below average post 1st drafting , and below average veteran acquisition has contributed to the team’s misfortune, as succeeding in both could have helped offset the effects of PDO or not winning the lottery with a couple young D (hi Flames). Klef’s getting there but he can’t do it alone.

    They should keep Hall unless a young top six F and younger top 4 D are coming their way (I doubt too many teams will give that up), and especially if McEichel comes in so that you could pair them with Yak to annihilate the softs.

  66. McSorley33 says:

    How bad is it?

    It is so bad -many of us are choosing to focus on 2016.

    Nearly impossible to think positively about next year….

    Craig should be forced to go on the TSN lottery show. He as earned the privilege.

  67. theres oil in virginia says:

    McSorley33,

    It’s the biggest concern with these moves. You have to have depth at each of these positions, which really, you need anyway. If you can plug players in for a few games with very little drop-off in individual talent, then it can work. It’s very interesting to watch.

  68. Unicorns says:

    wheatnoil: I’ve mentioned this before, but GM Lowe struggled with forwards and GM MacT struggles with defense. GM Lowe got enough D and got a coach (MacT) who could get the most out of his forwards. GM MacT can get forwards. He hasn’t needed to get a lot of top 6 forwards, but he’s found them (Pouliot, Perron) as well as bottom 6-ers.He can’t find a D-man.

    Just throwing this out there… maybe the problem isn’t that Lowe has too much influence in the room. Maybe MacT is too strong-willed that he won’t listen to Lowe’s advice on defense.

    Or maybe they’ve gotten lost in the woods and they (and we) are just plain screwed.

    Good point. Thinking about it though, MacT struggled with good possession forwards whose visual he didn’t like – Penner and Hemsky in particular. He was good with bottom 6 forwards.

    I think perhaps part of his problem with Petry was that in every pic of him he looks like his dog just got ran over. I wonder if MacT doesn’t go for that old baseball managers thing that you don’t want a guy if he has an unattractive girlfriend or whatever.

    Edit: Eyeglow/60

  69. theres oil in virginia says:

    LT, if you can call Ryan Fitzpatrick a QB, then yes, the Jets got one.

  70. frjohnk says:

    •David Burstyn

    -good interview on why Crouse is ranked 6th.
    -has Strome ranked 8th, skating an issue,
    -loves Marner

  71. Rondo says:

    frjohnk,

    Kyle Woodlief of Redline Report yesterday.

    Draisaitl > Strome

    Ekblad = Hanifin

  72. rickithebear says:

    frjohnk: Ricki
    I totally understand the NHLE you use to forecast prospects cause I use pretty much the same thing.
    But a handful of games is a small sample size. Very small.

    When doing a look at players assist rates.
    you are passing to the scorers you play with.

    there is an expected A per GPG rate of line mates.

    first thought of the ratio after looking at Getzlaf’s season to seasn A numbers.

    it trends thru all the leagues.

    Klefbom:
    11-12 SEL playing with 4th line forwards that averaged 2.5G/season
    WJC allstar D.
    12-13
    Gets better push
    11gm 3A 23A pace.
    13-14 OKC
    Hunt; Fedun Marincin;Gernat; Davidson
    48gm 1G 9A
    14-15 OKC
    9gm 1G7A
    14-15
    last 21gm Nelson
    2G 8A -8
    last 12 -13 schultz is a boat anchor!

  73. Unicorns says:

    I was in a watering hole years ago with a friend who was dating an Eskimo. A lot of the team was there, we were supposed to catch up etc but of course with all the ‘celebs’ there I was kind of left observing it all.

    When Sportscentre came on those guys were glued to it, especially the NFL highlights. With Nuge responding to Hrudey calling him a third liner by destroying the competition, the players around the league are seeing it I’m sure. They can see the forward group is really good. I don’t see why MacT can’t leverage that into a few UFA signings and stabilize the team.

    It doesn’t have to be all or none to make things better. He can go after Phaneuf or whomever, but a pairing better than what they have even if not elite and a 92% goalie revolutionize the team.

    If we look at the D corp through old timey GM eyes, all the bets were good, it just didn’t work out. There doesn’t have to be a need to protect decisions or face, it’s normal to move on on this case. Lots of teams do, you have to to be effective, things go sideways.

    There is no good reason not to change tactics, make a classy exit for those who need to exit, make Marincin the 7th so he can be with the team and work on his physique, and drive everyone left down the depth chart. It would work, and give space until the youth get good enough.

  74. TheOtherJohn says:

    Rondo: Kyle Woodlief of Redline Report yesterday.

    Ekblad = Hanifin

    If that is what Woodlief said, I think he will be proven wrong.

    One of the weakness of Hanifan’s game is he has a subpar shot. One of the strengths of Ekblad’s game is his shot. . Hanifan is also 25 lbs lighter than Ekblad.

    Could we stop with the suggestion that the OIlers are waiting for new arena opening to be good. Leaving aside ZERO evidence to supportthe theory, Oiler management are not skilled enough to time the teams improvement

  75. Woodguy says:

    GCW_69: If we are going to consider trading Hall for a top defender(and I would trade him for the right defender),it’s too bad we don’t have a guy like Perron to help fill the void.

    Pouliot – Nuge –Eberle

    Perron – McEichel – Purcell

    Roy – Lander – Yak

    Hendricks – Gordon – whomever

    Klefbom – Hall return

    Marincin – Schultz

    Nikitin – Fayne

    Ah well. We have that shiny draft pick instead.

    You forgot Draisitl.

    Large left handed young man would be fine as a LW on a soft minute scoring line.

  76. Woodguy says:

    wheatnoil: I’ve mentioned this before, but GM Lowe struggled with forwards and GM MacT struggles with defense. GM Lowe got enough D and got a coach (MacT) who could get the most out of his forwards. GM MacT can get forwards. He hasn’t needed to get a lot of top 6 forwards, but he’s found them (Pouliot, Perron) as well as bottom 6-ers.He can’t find a D-man.

    Just throwing this out there… maybe the problem isn’t that Lowe has too much influence in the room. Maybe MacT is too strong-willed that he won’t listen to Lowe’s advice on defense.

    Or maybe they’ve gotten lost in the woods and they (and we) are just plain screwed.

    It’s interesting that COL has 2 ex-players running the show and they are a mirror image of the Oilers.

    Great young forward group.

    Awful D.

    Barrie and Johnson are good but after that there isn’t much.

    They gave an over-the-hill Dman a too long contract in Stuart just like MacT did with Ference.

    I take Ference over Stuart, but both shouldn’t be taking a regular shift in the NHL anymore.

    I think the Oilers have more D coming,but it far along the horizon until they are competitive with the best in the NHL.

    Ex-players having problems identifying NHL Dmen.

    Interesting as the game is much different today than when Lowe, MacT, Roy and Sakic played.

  77. Pouzar says:

    Because I know MacT has no interest in Marner, Hanifin has to be the pick.

  78. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    If you adhere to a BPA doctrine in drafting, bold moves and unnerving hockey trades are a real and quite necessary link. It becomes a matter of timing as to when you begin the process of substantive hockey trades and reshuffling your true assets – not the peripheral players. Edmonton has been busy going after BPA drafting and shuffling the deck chairs of peripheral players. I think the time of bold hockey trades is now upon us and we need to assemble a properly balanced team over the next few seasons. I certainly think one of the significant forward assets needs to be swapped for a new core D asset that has some worn tread. Still young, but has NHL games under their belts – essentially equivalent to what you’re surrendering. You do so in the pursuit of balance. This isn’t new thinking, but it has not been an active template for the Oilers over the last few years from observation. Having said that, I feel we are moving into the window. You also have to fuse to this strategy the game of cap management – not just for your team but all others and what that may create in terms of reachable assets and asset swap valuation at points in time. This is tricky. Like market timing in capital markets – the market is fluid and always changing. How does the Blackhawks, Kings, Penguins situation change and can you seize opportunity or miss the mark?

    I personally have come to accept next season in not a season to expect a place in the playoffs. Lowering your sights on that helps in managing your frustration. I only wish to see continued reshaping of the roster with a major move this summer and setting us up for playoff spot contention next season. After that, I expect us to be in the playoffs for several seasons and becoming a contender – a legitimate contender – 3/4 years from today. This just isn’t easy and there are lots of hockey trades in between. Like teams in our life cycle – Columbus, Florida and Colorado come to mind – it will have hills and troughs. Our core is young and not ready for true prime time. But are they really clamoring to bolt? Maybe, But is that true for Duchene, Johansen, Bjugstad also? As a young blue chip NHL’er, you gotta own it, Hunker down and make the ascent as a collective. So far, our blue chips have been underwhelming on that front but give them allowance, they are still so young collectively.

  79. John Chambers says:

    Woodguy,

    Sakic, MacT, and Roy still salivate over the Adam Foote / Derian Hatcher defenseman who became extinct in 2006.

  80. 719 says:

    Want a break from the doom and gloom? Thought this way a pretty funny exchange. Eberle has taken over the Hometown Hockey account for an hour…

    Hometown Hockey ‏@hometownhockey_ 33m33 minutes ago
    Hey guys, I’m taking over the account right now! Send me your questions and I’ll get to as many as possible! – @ebs_14

    Taylor Hall ‏@hallsy04 26m26 minutes ago
    .@hometownhockey_ how come you never had braces as a child?

    Hometown Hockey ‏@hometownhockey_ 24m24 minutes ago
    How come you’ve had botox in your lips six times? @hallsy04

  81. rickithebear says:

    He guys!
    there is this green check mark above comments that checks writing!

    Zach werenski is having a superior rookie season than the best from the last 10 years.
    Werenski (17yr) 6’2″ 214lb (2.89) 30GM 8G 15A 23P +13 62PT NHL projection
    Trouba (18) 6’1″ 195lb (2.67) 37gm 12G 17A 29P -8 40pt NHL projection
    Merril (18) 6’3″ 209lb (2.79) 42gm 7g 18A 25P +11 22pt NHL projection
    J. johnson (18) 6’1″ 210lb (2.88) 38gm 10G 12A +11 30pt NHL projection
    Hunwick(18) 5’11’ 190lb (2.68) 41gm 1G 14A +13 15 assist NHL projection

  82. Woogie63 says:

    LMHF#1,

    Spending + 80 nights a year in a hotel,
    Logging 100,000 miles in an airplane
    Driving home on a cold snowy QE2 at 3 am

    Gets pretty tiring quick…. Why do it? UFA can choose their lifestyle.

    Katz can’t change that

  83. Ryan says:

    Alpine,

    Kulikov was an option when PRV was selected.

  84. rickithebear says:

    Ryan:
    Alpine,

    Kulikov was an option when PRV was selected.

    Players picked by oilers who were ranked higher and droped to the selection used.
    last 10 years.

    #31 2010 pitlick
    #10 2009 MP
    #24 2004 Schremp

    I do not like this approach!

  85. Unicorns says:

    TheOtherJohn: If that is what Woodlief said, I think he will be proven wrong.

    One of the weakness of Hanifan’s game is he has a subpar shot. One of the strengths of Ekblad’s game is his shot. . Hanifan is also 25 lbs lighter than Ekblad.

    Could we stop with the suggestion that the OIlers are waiting for new arena opening to be good. Leaving aside ZERO evidence to supportthe theory, Oiler management are not skilled enough to time the teams improvement

    They are different. Hanifin is supposed to have exceptional vision, unparalleled skating and considers himself an offensive D in the mold of Keith and someone I can’t remember, maybe Doughty. He’s already NHL size, just not huge.

    To me that means Hanifin plays more like Niedermayer, Ekblad like Weber. I prefer high mobility and a complete game, especially as the game moves away from big hits and holding. Ekblad getting really big will likely come at the cost of mobility, PK’s usually take the big shot away eventually. He’s got Campbell to cover him now.

    To me it’s like a choice between Weber and Suter. I think Suter is better. Both top player, different styles.

  86. Rocknrolla says:

    rickithebear:
    He guys!
    there is this green check mark above comments that checks writing!

    Zach werenski is having a superior rookie season than the best from the last 10 years.
    Werenski (17yr) 6’2″ 214lb (2.89)30GM 8G 15A 23P +1362PT NHL projection
    Trouba (18) 6’1″ 195lb (2.67) 37gm 12G 17A 29P -8 40pt NHL projection
    Merril (18) 6’3″ 209lb (2.79) 42gm 7g 18A 25P +11 22pt NHL projection
    J. johnson (18) 6’1″ 210lb (2.88)38gm 10G 12A +11 30pt NHL projection
    Hunwick(18)5’11’ 190lb(2.68) 41gm1G 14A +1315 assist NHL projection

    Where does Hanifin and Provorov fit in that NHLE?

  87. rickithebear says:

    I was looking at the reults of players in their drafts:.

    Hemsky 6’0″ 184lb
    733GM 155G 365A 520P
    #10G #3A #5P
    14-15 (4.0M) 61gm 9G 17A 26P -10 .426 PPG

    Roy 5’9″ 184lb
    723gm 184G 332A 516P
    #7G #6A #6P
    14-15 (1.0M)
    NSH 26 1G 9A 10P even .385 PPG
    EDM 31gm 6g 8A 14P -11 .452 PPG

  88. Ribs says:

    TheOtherJohn: Could we stop with the suggestion that the OIlers are waiting for new arena opening to be good. Leaving aside ZERO evidence to supportthe theory, Oiler management are not skilled enough to time the teams improvement

    I suggest you go listen to the Eakins post-firing news presser where he admits that this was his plan. I don’t think it’s crazy to think the people above him knew about this plan or perhaps even supported it. Couple this with the fact that management is doing very little to hurry along the rebuild and I think you have a pretty legit theory.

    LT has a saying for what is happening these days… “The Edmonton Oilers are a bad hockey club and they make decisions based on things other than winning. “

  89. lance says:

    Rebuild 1.0
    Greene + Stoll = Vish
    4D + 2C = 1D?

    Vish –> Whitney.
    (31 y/o –> 25 y/o)
    Rebuild 1.0 reset

    Had Whitney not blown out his ankle he would maybe have become a real #1D for the last couple years. That ankle explosion was imho the undoing of rebuild 2.0. A gamble that failed yielded a significant total asset decline. I don’t think there is evidence that Lowe doesn’t understand the importance of a real 1D, I do think he gambled on Whitney and lost.

    Should he trade Hall for a replacement 1D and chalk up the expense to Rexall ice? Maybe. Sad definitely.

    Or, if 4D + 2C = 1D, then maybe Drai + MM = ??

    Who fits? Does phx do that for OEL? Does that fetch Doughty? I don’t know value but the math seems legit.

  90. Ice Sage says:

    sliderule:
    The oilers are 28 th in scoring in nhl.

    Please,please Lowetide don’t give the Kingsway boys ideas about trading our best scorer.

    Draft Mceichel fixes the offence.

    If balls fall wrong draft Hanifin and he will play right away and be your best defender within a couple of years.

    Use all the remaining cap money to sign a starting goaltender..If that doesn’t happen all the other moves won’t be worth anything.

    I like this path. Not enough raw meat for some of the fanbase, perhaps?
    Ference and Nikitin can move along anytime but not JSchultz, even though he’s disappointed, he’s entering his prime years and should pull it together a la Petry / Gilbert in the next year or so. Marincin, too.

  91. freedomisamyth says:

    Ribs: I suggest you go listen to the Eakins post-firing news presser where he admits that this was his plan. I don’t think it’s crazy to think the people above him knew about this plan or perhaps even supported it. Couple this with the fact that management is doing very little to hurry along the rebuild and I think you have a pretty legit theory.

    LT has a saying for what is happening these days… “The Edmonton Oilers are a bad hockey club and they make decisions based on things other than winning. ”

    I think there’s a bit of a difference though in what you two are saying and what MacT (and Eakins in his interview) was saying. You guys are saying they are ‘waiting till the new arena’ to be good, implying that they really aren’t trying to get better and in fact would rather lose. The gist from mact/eakins was more that they thought they would be good (win some in the playoffs good) by then, and if they got good faster, that’s great, but by the new arena is what they were aiming for. So, any decisions of theirs should be put in context of that plan (ie, not mortgaging the future in any way to bring in a second line center for this year). Whether that’s a good plan or not is another question.

    They also already admitted that they were ‘behind schedule’ on where they thought they should be. So, there’s that.

  92. frjohnk says:

    719:
    Want a break from the doom and gloom? Thought this way a pretty funny exchange.Eberle has taken over the Hometown Hockey account for an hour…

    Hometown Hockey ‏@hometownhockey_33m33 minutes ago
    Hey guys, I’m taking over the account right now! Send me your questions and I’ll get to as many as possible! – @ebs_14

    Taylor Hall ‏@hallsy0426m26 minutes ago
    .@hometownhockey_ how come you never had braces as a child?

    Hometown Hockey ‏@hometownhockey_24m24 minutes ago
    How come you’ve had botox in your lips six times? @hallsy04

    ha ha

  93. LMHF#1 says:

    Woogie63:
    LMHF#1,

    Spending + 80 nights a year in a hotel,
    Logging 100,000 miles in an airplane
    Driving home on a cold snowy QE2 at 3 am

    Gets pretty tiring quick…. Why do it?UFA can choose their lifestyle.

    Katz can’t change that

    Make the planes stupid-nice.

    Fly players to see their families and vice versa.

    Hold training camp in Maui.

    Cater to the players – homes, financial planners, etc.

    I could go on and on. This isn’t rocket science – it requires a little imagination and a new approach is all. Kevin Brown used to get flown home on a private jet between starts. You could, with some effort, have nearly every player you’re looking at saying “wow, they take care of their players”. That’s what you need when the weather sucks.

  94. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy: It’s interesting that COL has 2 ex-players running the show and they are a mirror image of the Oilers.

    Great young forward group.

    Awful D.

    Barrie and Johnson are good but after that there isn’t much.

    They gave an over-the-hill Dman a too long contract in Stuart just like MacT did with Ference.

    I take Ference over Stuart, but both shouldn’t be taking a regular shift in the NHL anymore.

    I think the Oilers have more D coming,but it far along the horizon until they are competitive with the best in the NHL.

    Ex-players having problems identifying NHL Dmen.

    Interesting as the game is much different today than when Lowe, MacT, Roy and Sakic played.

    Defensively COL is worse than EDM,
    They give up more shots
    they give up more high and medium danger shots
    they give up more scoring chances

    Defensively only Toronto and Buffalo are worse than Colorado.

    But their goaltending is top 5, goaltending has masked how bad they are defensively.

  95. Rondo says:

    TheOtherJohn: Rondo

    Others who have seen him differ from your opinion

    http://oilersnation.com/2015/1/26/how-good-is-noah-hanifin

  96. commonfan14 says:

    Derek Van Diest ‏@SUNdvandiest 12m12 minutes ago
    Nikita Nikitin says he was in good shape at the beginning of the year and is not sure why Craig MacTavish suggested otherwise. #Oilers #NHL

    Would this be possible grounds for a lawsuit if true? Pretty damaging thing to say about a pro athlete that could negatively impact his future earning potential.

  97. Unicorns says:

    frjohnk: Defensively COL is worse than EDM,
    They give up more shots
    they give up more high and medium danger shots
    they give up more scoring chances

    Defensively only Toronto and Buffalo are worse than Colorado.

    But their goaltending is top 5, goaltending has masked how bad they are defensively.

    With the amount of offensive players in the forward group and possibly with another elite one this summer that might be on the team, the Oilers almost seem better off with defensively responsible as opposed to offensive defensemen (say going after Green or Phaneuf), as long as they can pass and keep the play alive at the offensive blue. When the team plays better guys like Nurse and Klef will score enough points.

  98. LMHF#1 says:

    commonfan14:
    Derek Van Diest ‏@SUNdvandiest12m12 minutes ago
    Nikita Nikitin says he was in good shape at the beginning of the year and is not sure why Craig MacTavish suggested otherwise. #Oilers #NHL

    So MacTavish has even managed to offend the guy he was busy defending to the media because he was Howson’s pick.

    That takes talent.

  99. Lloyd B. says:

    Woodguy,

    Steve Yzerman says hello.

  100. vinotintazo says:

    commonfan14: Derek Van Diest ‏@SUNdvandiest 12m12 minutes ago
    Nikita Nikitin says he was in good shape at the beginning of the year and is not sure why Craig MacTavish suggested otherwise. #Oilers #NHL

    not sure if this is better or worse….

  101. Rocknrolla says:

    commonfan14:
    Derek Van Diest ‏@SUNdvandiest12m12 minutes ago
    Nikita Nikitin says he was in good shape at the beginning of the year and is not sure why Craig MacTavish suggested otherwise. #Oilers #NHL

    Would this be possible grounds for a lawsuit if true? Pretty damaging thing to say about a pro athlete that could negatively impact his future earning potential.

    WOW….here comes a shitstorm. Backpedaling to follow…

  102. Ca$h-Money! says:

    commonfan14:
    Derek Van Diest ‏@SUNdvandiest12m12 minutes ago
    Nikita Nikitin says he was in good shape at the beginning of the year and is not sure why Craig MacTavish suggested otherwise. #Oilers #NHL

    Would this be possible grounds for a lawsuit if true? Pretty damaging thing to say about a pro athlete that could negatively impact his future earning potential.

    Sue the guy who’s massively overpaying you today because he said some things in an effort to account for your horrendous performance, arguably hurting your chances of getting paid tomorrow.

    Boy that would be a thing of beauty.

  103. rich says:

    commonfan14:
    Derek Van Diest ‏@SUNdvandiest12m12 minutes ago
    Nikita Nikitin says he was in good shape at the beginning of the year and is not sure why Craig MacTavish suggested otherwise. #Oilers #NHL

    Would this be possible grounds for a lawsuit if true? Pretty damaging thing to say about a pro athlete that could negatively impact his future earning potential.

    Can understand why Nikitin would want to defend himself after being thrown under the bus by the GM.

    Just one more reason why MacT needs to say less. I’m not going to argue with what LT and Bruce said today on the radio (summarized: MacT is smart, knows hockey). They know from personal experience and I certainly don’t.

    But from a communications standpoint, each time he opens his mouth he’s digging a much deeper hole for himself and his credibility. He’s saying things that make everyone question his hockey sense, trying to defend decisions that haven’t worked out and coming off as more desperate. Not smart.

  104. Bank Shot says:

    Unicorns: They are different. Hanifin is supposed to have exceptional vision, unparalleled skating and considers himself an offensive D in the mold of Keith and someone I can’t remember, maybe Doughty. He’s already NHL size, just not huge.

    To me that means Hanifin plays more like Niedermayer, Ekblad like Weber. I prefer high mobility and a complete game, especially as the game moves away from big hits and holding. Ekblad getting really big will likely come at the cost of mobility, PK’s usually take the big shot away eventually. He’s got Campbell to cover him now.

    To me it’s like a choice between Weber and Suter. I think Suter is better. Both top player, different styles.

    No way has the league been moving away from holding over the past few years. They’ve been going towards more holding for awhile now.

  105. frjohnk says:

    commonfan14:
    Derek Van Diest ‏@SUNdvandiest12m12 minutes ago
    Nikita Nikitin says he was in good shape at the beginning of the year and is not sure why Craig MacTavish suggested otherwise. #Oilers #NHL

    Would this be possible grounds for a lawsuit if true? Pretty damaging thing to say about a pro athlete that could negatively impact his future earning potential.

    Eakins did the fitness testing on the bike.

    When it was Nikitins turn he said ” In Mother Russia, no good ride bike, no ride here” and walked away.

    Eakins failed his fitness test.

    Told MacT that Nikitin was not in shape.

  106. OF17 says:

    LMHF#1: So MacTavish has even managed to offend the guy he was busy defending to the media because he was Howson’s pick.

    That takes talent.

    PLEASE let this mean Nikitin wants out.

    Might save MacT from himself.

  107. G Money says:

    commonfan14: Derek Van Diest ‏@SUNdvandiest 12m12 minutes ago
    Nikita Nikitin says he was in good shape at the beginning of the year and is not sure why Craig MacTavish suggested otherwise. #Oilers #NHL

    Say less, say it more carefully. Both sides could be telling the truth.

    MacT version: Nikitin was injured, couldn’t train as effectively as a result, was not in as good shape as he could have been if healthy. When he gets healthy, NORRIS baby NORRIS.

    Nikitin version: Vunce over injury, trained ass off to be in best shape possible, vy you heff to be med?

  108. Woogie63 says:

    LMHF#1,

    I have been within the 5% of Air Canada flyers for 20 years …it has been years since I have had to go more than 4 rows back on the plane. Westin “is my middle name”. …+100,000 miles in air gets tired quick, no matter how you dress it up…

    I am just saying a UFA can choose where they want to live and the travel and location of EIA is NOT a selling point to a 30 year old millionaire… and Katz can’t change that

  109. rickithebear says:

    The reason we do not score is we do not have high evG/gm depth thhru our top 9.
    As was posted before:

    Duuring the lawson crouse discussion.

    rickithebear says:
    March 10, 2015 at 9:49 am

    You require strong EVG scoring to make playoffs and be competitive in the playoffs:

    Average of the oiler players healthy seasons without Eakins:
    Hall .267 EVGPG top 25 rate
    80gm 21EVG
    Eberle .261 EVGPG top 30
    80gm 21G
    he had a top 12 Season .306 EVGPG
    RNH .252 EVGPG his 2 healthy seasons
    80gm 20 EVG

    ———————-
    Yak .227 EVGPG Krueger and last half of Nelson
    80 gm 18 EVG
    Pouliot .225 EVGPG
    80gm 18 EVG
    ———————-
    Lander .182 EVGPG reg Shift games
    14-15 EVG
    ———————
    Roy .144 EVGPG
    11-12 EVG
    ———————————–
    Purcell .113 EVGPG
    9 EVG
    Hendricks .100
    7-8 EVG
    Gordon .086
    6-7 EVG

    Hall – Lander -Yak
    Pouliot – RNh- Eberle
    XXX-XXX-XXX

    Slepy and Yakimov continue to show Elite EVGPG rates.

    Lawson Crouse:
    6’3″ 212lb
    age NHLE suggests 25-26 EVGPG @22
    .307 to .317 EVGPG

    Modern era:
    top 100 EVG scorers age 22 -28
    Players in Crouse NHLE
    Perry .321 26 EVG
    Propp .318 25 EVG
    Tochett .315 25 EVG
    T. Sandstrom .314 25 EVG
    J. lemaire .313 25 EVg
    S. thomas .313 25 EVg
    M. foligno .308 24-25 EVG
    D. heatley .308 24-25 EVG
    D. Hull .306 24-25 EVG
    B. Shanahan .306 24-25 EVg
    R. Nash .306 24-25 EVG
    Iginla .303 24 EVG
    Modano .303 24 EVG
    B. sutter .303 24 EVG
    K. dineen .302 24 EVG

    Glencross .260 20 EVG/ 75gm regular shift in CGY
    Cogliano
    EDM .149 12 EVG/82gm
    ANA .166 13-114 EVG/82gm

  110. G Money says:

    LMHF#1,

    Woogie63,

    Yeah, the difficulty with this line of thought is the idea that throwing money at multi-millionaires can address issues that can’t really be addressed monetarily: weather, isolation, fishbowl, travel, reputation and worst of all, a shitty team that has no chance of winning for years to come.

  111. Woodguy says:

    Lloyd B.:
    Woodguy,

    Steve Yzerman says hello.

    The big difference is that Yz spent time in the Wings front office and watched and learned how good teams do things.

    Lowe, MacT, Roy and Sakic had minimal NHL executive experience when they took on lead roles.

    I guess I should change my comment to:

    “Assuming a NHL coach or player has the experience to be a lead executive is not correct”

    Fair?

  112. G Money says:

    rickithebear: The reason we do not score is we do not have high evG/gm depth thhru our top 9.

    While you consistently denigrate the value of clear expression, let me translate this sentence for you:

    “We do not score enough because our players do not score enough at even strength.”

    You’ve taken a tautology and made it confusing.

    The question to answer is: WHY don’t our players score enough at even strength?

    You can’t actually answer the question by throwing out (or up) a massive list of (mostly meaningless) numbers without context.

    I would hazard it is a combination of lack of experience, lack of a balanced roster, lack of size against big Western teams, and a lack of key puck movement skills on D.

    The solution is to hire or grow those D and add the necessary size and skill and experience at key positions (2C, 4C), preferably by looking at players in their prime. Rather than players young enough to have their development derailed by the MacLowe Shit Showe, or old enough to be Andrew Ference.

    Whatever the question is, the answer is NOT “Lawson Crouse”.

  113. Woodguy says:

    G Money:
    LMHF#1,

    Woogie63,

    Yeah, the difficulty with this line of thought is the idea that throwing money at multi-millionaires can address issues that can’t really be addressed monetarily: weather, isolation, fishbowl, travel, reputation and worst of all, a shitty team that has no chance of winning for years to come.

    Winning cures all.

    Just win baby.

    When the Oilers of the 80’s were winning guys who got traded here thought they won the lottery and they flied commercial back then.

    They’re hockey players.

    They want to play hockey and win.

    Just win.

  114. Магия 10 says:

    Woodguy: Winning cures all.

    Just win baby.

    When the Oilers of the 80’s were winning guys who got traded here thought they won the lottery and they flied commercial back then.

    They’re hockey players.

    They want to play hockey and win.

    Just win.

    To enter the main sequence you need to kick off some fusion, baby.

  115. spoiler says:

    John Chambers:
    Woodguy,

    Sakic, MacT, and Roy still salivate over the Adam Foote / Derian Hatcher defenseman who became extinct in 2006.

    I don’t know any GM who wouldn’t salivate over Adam Foote. He could skate backwards faster than many NHLers could skate forwards. He does not belong in the same cognate as Derian Hatcher.

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