KEEPERS

The Edmonton Oilers ended their season as it began: leaking.

  • Friedman: “(MacTavish) has informed Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins not to worry about listening to rumors, because those players won’t be traded. He said you can add Nail Yakupov to that list as well. He believes very strongly that these are players, and the types of player that they are, other teams have given up on too early. He doesn’t want to make the same mistakes, and he wants to give them the chance to grow together.” Source

Music! I’m here to tell you that losing teams DO trade important parts of their cluster before they mature and trading any of these young men in their early 20’s is a horrible bet. I’ve been very critical of Craig MacTavish this season—with sound reason to do so—but the most important thing for MacT (or the next GM) is to hold firm on those young assets who are in the NHL at this time.

Improvement can come via free agency (don’t sign another defenseman who can’t play top 4D!), trading picks (that Penguins pick looms large) and I believe we have the shopping list surrounded: Starting goalie, two more defensemen (Marincin may solve one issue) and a strong center option for next season.

WHAT ABOUT DEREK ROY?

I like Derek Roy and it’s clear there is some chem there with Yak City but lordy that line gives up a lot going the other way. I hope the Oilers consider signing Roy AND a free-agent center like Carl Soderberg. Why? The Oilers NEVER have enough depth! If they enter training camp with Nuge, Soderberg, Roy, Lander and Gordon, then someone has to move over to the wing? Music! Do it! Now!

And then do the same damn thing on defense.

FINAL 5X5/60’S (War-on-Ice)

I’ll begin the RE series this coming week but want to give the final numbers a chance to settle. Last season the early numbers were incorrect and I had to go back, hoping to avoid the same issue. I did want to post the final 5×5/60’s via War-on-Ice because they offer us some clues about next year:

  1. Jordan Eberle 1.98 (finally healthy, he romped)
  2. Benoit Pouliot 1.98 (I think he should stay with Nuge-Eberle)
  3. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1.92 (EV scoring levels established, wonderful two-way C. He’s Keon)
  4. Taylor Hall 1.86 (even in a tough year there is value)
  5. Derek Roy 1.50 (I think he’s found a home)
  6. Anton Lander 1.46 (A solid two-way C with a good future if he can sustain this number imo)
  7. Nail Yakupov 1.20 (He’s still more potential than production, spectacular possibilities remain)
  8. Teddy Purcell 1.11 (Subpar number but quality on the PP and an actual NHL player)
  9. Matt Fraser 1.10 (I think he’s a tweener, may get another year in Edmonton)
  10. Boyd Gordon 0.86 (Plays a vital role on this team and it is not offensive)
  11. Matt Hendricks 0.79 (Like Gordon, the offense doesn’t come close to telling the story)
  12. Luke Gazdic 0.61 (Enforcer did more than expected)
  13. Tyler Pitlick 0.59 (Looks like a player if he could only score!)
  14. Rob Klinkhammer 0.40 (Incredible he doesn’t post more crooked numbers, but no hands at all)

I think that’s most of the group for next season, with the top eight back for sure. Fraser, Gazdic and Pitlick are the biggest question marks and of course Roy is without a contract at this time. You want the impact offensive players to be well past 2.00/60 but I believe the kids in the hall can manage that in healthy seasons and if they can get the damn puck up to them in a timely fashion 2/60 should be easy. I’m well pleased with that Pouliot number.

DEFENSE

  1. Oscar Klefbom 0.86
  2. Justin Schultz 0.77
  3. Andrew Ference 0.67
  4. Niki Nikitin 0.37
  5. Brandon Davidson 0.37
  6. Martin Marincin 0.36
  7. Mark Fayne 0.33
  8. Keith Aulie 0.14

Important to note that 5×5/60 for defensemen isn’t close to being the most important stat, but it’s interesting to see Klefbom above Schultz at the end of the season. I’ve been very critical of Justin Schultz and his season, but the fact remains he doesn’t deliver what people think he does. He LOOKS like an offensive player but the wayward passes and the vapor lock moments conspire against him and Schultz doesn’t have an answer for many hockey situations, offense and defense. His 5×5/60 number is about No. 80 (these numbers aren’t final) among defensemen league-wide at 5×5 (over 400 minutes on the Stats.HockeyAnalysis.com scale).

Many Oilers fans fret over Martin Marincin’s lack of offense, I’d suggest Schultz is a bigger worry.

TODD NELSON? TYLER DELLOW?

Don’t know. My hope is he returns, not because Nelson is superior to Eakins, but because the coach wasn’t the problem, Eakins or Nelson. I like his power play, I like his handling of the yutes from the farm and I think he’s worth the risk.

As for Dellow, I’m somewhat torn on his return. I think Tyler could do a world of good for this organization but they have to bloody listen AND act on recommendations. I think we saw some of that this year (Schultz handling for sure) but not in other cases (I’ll eat my shoes, the old ones, if Dellow thought dealing Petry was a good idea). Dellow having input on the free agent hires could be golden for the Oilers. Seriously.

The other reason I’m torn on Dellow returning? I would LOVE to see him free to respond to the (now) hundreds of unanswered tweets and articles written since his hiring and look forward to that day.

Still, team first. Go Nelson, go Dellow. We wait.

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  1. V. Chilly says:

    How are we feeling about O’Connor this morning and more importantly how are the rest of the teams pursuing him? It’s tough but one terrible goal can ruin a goalie, e.g. Tommy Salo.

  2. Woodguy says:

    I like his handling of the yutes

    He certainly had more than two yutes as well.

    I want Nelson to return for one simple reason:

    Learning Curve

    Every new coach takes time to learn his players and the players to learn what the coach wants.

    That involves mistakes (lordy, we’ve seen enough mistakes at every level of the org due to inexperience) both by the coach and by the players.

    The players will think too much and not read/react enough until they learn the new coach/systems.

    That means another October flushed and looking at the draft picks in November.

    Keep the damn coach and get better players.

    Its the roster.

    Always has been.

  3. gogliano says:

    Not sure if you saw it, LT, but MacT confirmed “the list” when speaking with Cassie Cambell at the intermission.

  4. Ca$h-Money! says:

    Did Greg Chase have 20 PIMS last night or am I reading that wrong? What the heck happened there?

  5. smellyglove says:

    I was at the game last night. Pouliot and Percell played really well, and Eberle had a nice game (as he usually does against the Canucks). Hall was so-so.

    On D: Klefbom seemingly never left the ice and my-oh-my were the rookie defensemen bad. Generally, the Oilers played well, except the 3rd period led to numerous own zone meltdowns.

    Lastly, Scrivens was TERRIBLE. All the Oiler fans in my section had a collective groan whenever the puck got by him. He let two in through the 5-hole that were easy saves (shooter under pressure, no screen, no bounce/tip).

  6. Acumen says:

    I would say that we collectively need to cool our jets a bit on Justin Schultz. He has not been good at all this season, but the roster has been built to put him in way over his head since the arrival of Eakins–they thought they had him figured out but they over estimated him. He’s not a messiah D, he’s a complimentary piece.

    His development since Krueger has been ambitious and exposing, but they have been using him in the right spot since midway through this season. He has blunders but he hasn’t hit his 300 games yet. Give him time, these defenders always require more time.

    Looking at the numbers of Duncan Keith, Brian Campbell, or Brian Rafalski. They didn’t make their impact until at or after age 25. They just weren’t paraded as the top defenseman on putrid team going up against an NHL giants’ division in the years before the break out.

    Of the 3 much maligned D, Schultz offers real and tangible upside, and his perception league wide is down. Unlike Nikitin and Ference, there are clear benefits to keeping him around.

    Get him locked in for a few years while he’s a cheaper sign and pray for the best I say. We open up a hole if we trade him, and we’ve put up with the growing pains already.

  7. Doubting Olive says:

    LT, that would make Dellow the de facto GM. And since he never played for the Oilers in the 80s, he’ll never be GM.

    I certainly think he has valuable advice, but then how many hats should he wear? Player procurement? Game strategy? Post game analysis? Draft assessment? Which snacks sell better at the concessions? Any one of them is a full time job alone, and probably has an incumbent.

    I think he has input, and I think it is valued to a degree. The proof of this is that he’s still here after it would have been so easy to let him split a cab with Eakins.

    Do we know that Dellow’s advice isn’t followed? Poo and Fayne smack of Dellow’s advice. Scrivens and Fasth both had nice numbers tranding up and seemed reasonable gambles.

    The thing is, if you follow every single piece of his advice, they become directives. Whatever else MacT and Lowe are, they are not blind followers.

  8. Doubting Olive says:

    Acumen: We open up a hole if we trade him

    No we do not.

    There are guys better and cheaper at what he brings.

    Twice last night, he actually turned his back on his D partner after passing to him and was shocked when the puck went by him from behind, followed by a fore-checker.

    Thing is, when he’s in the AHL, he kills it.

    I hope Nelly can fix him, if Nelly is coach.

  9. Lowetide says:

    Doubting Olive:
    LT, that would make Dellow the de facto GM.And since he never played for the Oilers in the 80s, he’ll never be GM.

    I certainly think he has valuable advice, but then how many hats should he wear?Player procurement?Game strategy?Post game analysis?Draft assessment?Which snacks sell better at the concessions?Any one of them is a full time job alone, and probably has an incumbent.

    I think he has input, and I think it is valued to a degree.The proof of this is that he’s still here after it would have been so easy to let him split a cab with Eakins.

    Do we know that Dellow’s advice isn’t followed?Poo and Fayne smack of Dellow’s advice.Scrivens and Fasth both had nice numbers tranding up and seemed reasonable gambles.

    The thing is, if you follow every single piece of his advice, they become directives.Whatever else MacT and Lowe are, they are not blind followers.

    My point was, and is, that hiring a guy is one thing. Valuing him is another. As for Dellow’s input into summer free agent signings, he was added in August. and it was an Eakins hire from what we know.

    I don’t know that we can credit him for the astute Pouliot and Fayne signings.

    https://lowetide.ca/2014/08/05/sail-on-dellow/

  10. barry.moore23 says:

    I’m not sure ‘worry’ would describe the emotion that trade rumors sending players out of Edmonton brings up :). To steal one from LT — I don’t worry means what MacT thinks it means.

    This blog is amazing. Keeping Oiler fans Oiler fans since what 2008 ??

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  12. Suntory Hanzo says:

    OHhell won the Nail Yakupov points prediction contest. 34 was the closest guess and 33 was the result. Oddspell a close second at a 35 guess.

    OHhell, send me you address to bbillo@gmail.com so I can mail out your copy of ‘the game of our lives’ prize.

    Congrats!

  13. kinger_OIL says:

    Suntory Hanzo,

    I believe it was Hunter who collected everyones predictions for OIL point total: that would be interesting to see now…

  14. Woogie63 says:

    That list needs way more bang and grind guys. A better balance between 5×5 numbers and “maybe” hits will help this team in a fast and inexpensive fashion. Defensive scoring is an issue, but we need some nasty on the backend.

    Need to upgrade Roy. We saw Yak improve with a real NHL centre, now MacT needs to get really GOOD NHL centre to get Yak to 60-70 point guy, and built another productive line.

  15. hunter1909 says:

    kinger_OIL:
    Suntory Hanzo,

    I believe it was Hunter who collected everyones predictions for OIL point total: that would be interesting to see now…

    I’m currently taking bribes from anyone who doesn’t want their prediction published. : p

  16. Doubting Olive says:

    Lowetide,

    Well I guess it all boils down to what you believe:

    1) Eakins hires Dellow, much is made of the Oilers pioneering advanced analytics (although several GMs said they’d been doing it for years). Eakins values Dellows advice and adjusts ice time and usage accordingly, like putting TCAF and Schultz out for OT against some very scary opposition, but HEY! OT’s a coin flip, right? Petry, for some reason, is actually a healthy scratch. Eakins is eventually fired, GM admits to ‘blood on his hands’ but Dellow remains. Oilers continue to pay and employ him for funsies, because that’s what businesses do: employ a person in a controversial role, then pointedly ignore him and his horse. Perhaps it is symbolic of Old School Hockey Sense defeating New Fangled Advanced Analytics and gives Oilers management a great sense of gratification. Someone should do an impressionist painting of it.

    2) MacT hears of New Fangled Advanced Analytics and decides he wants in. Kind of like waking up one day and wanting to learn the guitar, or grow a garden. He has no talent with music nor even rudimentary horticulture, so does what we all do: Buy the shiniest thing out there. Dellow is forced on Eakins, who does the exact opposite of what Dellow advises. Eakins is shown the door, but MacT still has his mascot, who he thinks says the cutest things, like “SIGN PETRY, DAMMIT!”

    The point is, if Dellow’s advice isn’t valued, for a given value of valued, why even keep him on? Especially as he’s probably on a free-lance contract. It doesn’t make any sense, you just don’t keep a guy hanging around.

    So, what are they asking him to do, exactly? It’d be hard for him to give advice on player retention (Petry) if he was never asked, nor was it in his remit of employment. Otherwise the kit guy could just as easily give MacT advice.

    I want to see Dellow succeed, if only from a selfish angle that if he succeeds, the team succeeds. That’s if he’s being used correctly…

  17. dawgtoy says:

    Selfishly I’d love to see Dellow released from his contractual obliigations. I know he’d be unable to speak about what he knows behind the scenes, but I’m sure he has some gems for some MSM types via Twitter. He just makes the long, sad sack seasons easier to stomach through sheer entertainment and knowledge.
    We just don’t know how much the organization is listening to him, therefore it’s difficult to comment on his effect on the team. He was an Eakins hire. Is he valued by Nelson, or his future replacement? Therefore I’m just happy to see him back on Twitter, even though he may be a somewhat handcuffed version.

  18. Clay says:

    That play by Marincin to Pouliot last night was top-drawer. He may not be an offensive-dman, but he clearly has some chops, and I would not be surprised at all to if he was a 25 point guy that was defense-first.

    This was his draft +5 season. It was Petry’s draft +6 season where he really began to show his colours. I hope MacT hangs on to this kid; he’s not even begun to show what he can do.

  19. Ducey says:

    I am not convinced that tradin Schultz is a big priority. He has beeen marginally more physical lately. I don’t know how you look at Yak with all his warts and say they should not give up on him, bit that Jultz iis a lost cause. Dmen take time.

    I am not a fan of signing Roy. I guesss MacT got a lot of doors slammed in his face last summer when he was trying for a C, but there has to be someone better out there doesnt there? I guess it means Leon might startin the AHL.

    The list should include trading Scrivens. He has been brutal.

    Not sure what is going on with o’connor but a prospect guy last weekend was talking about how he was the weakest G of the 4 in the final 4. It might be a better idea to search around for a former prospect G and see if he can resurrect his career. Happens all the time.

    Oh. And add new G coach to the List. An absolute priority. Sean Burke might fix a lot of problems.

  20. frjohnk says:

    hunter1909: I’m currently taking bribes from anyone who doesn’t want their prediction published. : p

    I know Im toast!

  21. Ca$h-Money! says:

    Ducey:
    I am not convinced that tradin Schultz is a big priority. He has beeen marginally more physical lately. I don’t know how you look at Yak with all his warts and say they should not give up on him, bit that Jultz iis a lost cause. Dmen take time.

    I am not a fan of signing Roy. I guesss MacT got a lot of doors slammed in his face last summer when he was trying for a C, but there has to be someone better out there doesnt there? I guess it means Leon might startin the AHL.

    The list should include trading Scrivens. He has been brutal.

    Not sure what is going on with o’connor but a prospect guy last weekend was talking about how he was the weakest G of the 4 in the final 4. It might be a better idea to search around for a former prospect G and see if he can resurrect his career. Happens all the time.

    Oh. And add new G coach to the List. An absolute priority. Sean Burke might fix a lot of problems.

    It’s not just about signing Roy. It’s about signing veterans for around $1 million. That way if you send them down it doesn’t impact your cap, they’re just very expensive AHL players. It’s one of the advantages of being a profitable team.

    If we sign Roy for $2 it’s more problematic.

  22. Woogie63 says:

    Is MacT a keeper?

  23. Unicorns says:

    Benning had an interesting comment during an interview yesterday, that some teams were trying to build heavy and big, and maybe that speed was more important now in hockey.

    I can’t see in any way how Roy helps the Oilers. He is the most one dimensional player on the team and they have nowhere to shelter him. I see him as a marginal NHL player. He has skill certainly, Europe beckons.

    Yak only needs a centre that can play, and would be better off with a guy to teach him how to play positionally because he still has no idea what he is doing even if its better than before.

    I’d be up for Schultz and Yak for McDonough and Talbot, Sather likes offense. He can drop St Louis for Yak and help his cap sit out.

  24. cadooo says:

    Ca$h-Money!,

    Greg Chase got kicked out the game during a faceoff. Something to do with a mouth guard. I assume he told off the ref. When he was being led off the ice he threw his mouth guard on the ice. Weird situation and weird reaction.

    Jon Keen ‏@JonKeenNLSports 13h13 hours ago
    Victoria F Greg Chase kicked out in Kelowna in the 1st period…yapping, and threw his mouthguard it appeared….

    On the positive side Draisaitl with 5 assists in first two games this round.

  25. frjohnk says:

    Running the salary cap numbers for next year. This list has Nurse and Draisaitl on the opening roster. Roy resigned. Nikitin bought out. Schultz, Pitlick and Marincin signed for same amount as this year. Yak at 3M.

    Taylor Hall……..6
    Jordan Eberle…6
    RNH………………6
    Ted Purcell…….4.5
    Benoit Pouliot….4
    Boyd Gordon…..3
    Matt Hendricks..1.8
    Derek Roy………1.5
    Nail Yakupov…..3
    Iiro Pakarinen….0.8
    Luke Gazdic……0.8
    Tyler Pitlick……..0.9
    Robert Klink…….0.725
    Anton Lander…..0.9
    Leon Draisaitl…..0.9
    Forward cost 40.825

    Justin Schultz……3.75
    Mark Fayne………3.6
    Andrew Ference..3.25
    Oscar Klefbom …..0.9
    Darnell Nurse…….0.9
    Martin Marincin…..0.9
    Brandon Davidson.0.9
    XXXXXXX
    D cost 14.2

    Nikitin Buyout (2yrs)..1.5

    D cost with buyout 15.7

    Scrivens 2.3
    XXXXXX

    Goalie cost 2.3

    Total = 57.3 M

    If the cap is 68 Million. That leaves 10.7M to get a starting goalie and a D man.

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  27. GCW_69 says:

    Clay:
    That play by Marincin to Pouliot last night was top-drawer.He may not be an offensive-dman, but he clearly has some chops, and I would not be surprised at all to if he was a 25 point guy that was defense-first.

    This was his draft +5 season.It was Petry’s draft +6 season where he really began to show his colours.I hope MacT hangs on to this kid; he’s not even begun to show what he can do.

    I think we won’t see Marincin’s offence until he hits the 250 or even 300 game mark. The team is determined to throw him in the deepest waters and he will need to learn to swim before he learns to wander.

  28. flyfish1168 says:

    HI LT

    If we value or evaluate UFA and FA with to high a emphasis on analytic I believe its dangerous. The difference in system play between us and their previous team, strength of the players he use to play with I believe can dictate there stats. Some of these things just can’t be brought forward.

    I’m not saying don’t use it at all, but don’t let it be the most important and be all ingredient. I love a player that give it all in all situations and being a team 1st player. The fight in the dog often is very important. JMHO

  29. thejonrmcleod says:

    I’d sign Roy for another year.

    Put Roy-Yakupov on the third line and Hall-Lander on the second line.

    Then eventually the second line might become Hall-Draisaitl-Yak.

  30. book¡je says:

    Give or take 100 points, my season prediction for point total is pretty close to the final outcome.

    The Leafs fired their GM again. Daryl Katz could teach those guys a thing or two about patience.

  31. book¡je says:

    I suspect that Roy has been able to connect as a mentor with Yakupov and I get the sense that others simply haven’t managed to do that. So, even if Roy isn’t on the same line next year, perhaps you keep him around just to be the Yak Whisperer.

  32. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I doubt we see a tell all from Dellow any time in the next decade. He’s smart enough to know that the NHL folk don’t value those who kiss and tell.

    If the Oilers are dumb enough to let him go, I’ll expect a flurry of petulant articles about him. But, he’ll quietly carry on elsewhere. And with my blessing.

    The Oilers make decisions based on things other than winning hockey games.

  33. Ray says:

    thejonrmcleod:
    I’d sign Roy for another year.

    Put Roy-Yakupov on the third line and Hall-Lander on the second line.

    Then eventually the second line might become Hall-Draisaitl-Yak.

    Eventually Hall-Drai-Yak is your second line? I say nay nay. If Draisaitl and Yak develop to a reasonable level of play and you put them with Hall that is going to be your first line full stop.

  34. kinger_OIL says:

    hunter1909,

    I’ll eat another pair of LT’s shoes, if my points predicition was higher than 69…

  35. Rondo says:

    frjohnk:
    No surprise here

    http://www.tsn.ca/leafs-fire-gm-nonis-interim-coach-horachek-1.254857

    Wow accountability, what a concept.

  36. Doubting Olive says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    I doubt we see a tell all from Dellow any time in the next decade. He’s smart enough to know that the NHL folk don’t value those who kiss and tell.

    If the Oilers are dumb enough to let him go, I’ll expect a flurry of petulant articles about him. But, he’ll quietly carry on elsewhere. And with my blessing.

    The Oilers make decisions based on things other than winning hockey games.

    Tru dat! (All of it!)

  37. John Chambers says:

    Nice to see Schultz get torched on a 2 on 1, with the puck dribbling through Scrivens and over the goal line to end the season. Fitting.

  38. ohhell says:

    Suntory Hanzo:
    OHhell won the Nail Yakupov points prediction contest. 34 was the closest guess and 33 was the result. Oddspell a close second at a 35 guess.

    OHhell, send me you address to bbillo@gmail.com so I can mail out your copy of ‘the game of our lives’ prize.

    Congrats!

    Yeah! Although I would have preferred to be wrong on the low side.

  39. Captain's Log says:

    I didn’t watch last night’s game but just saw the highlights. Frankly as much as the Oilers need defenders and a centre, goaltending has to be the #1 need. I know that they bleed chances and could make a good goalie look bad, but Scrivens is really not an answer. He can backup to finish his contract but even if they sign Matt O’Connor they should add another real tender. O’Connor can play in Bakersfield with LB while Niemi/Talbot/Andersen/Gibson/Lenher/Anderson take main duties. If O’Connor or LB look ready maybe they trade Scrivens partway through the season to give them some starts.

    It’s the goalie, stoopid!

  40. frjohnk says:

    John Chambers:
    Nice to see Schultz get torched on a 2 on 1, with the puck dribbling through Scrivens and over the goal line to end the season. Fitting.

    Part of that is on Nelson.

    He was playing 3 forwards and Schultz at that time in OT.

    So basically he went with 4 offensive players with little defensive acumen.

    He was not playing to go to the shootout. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.

  41. Yeti says:

    hunter1909: I’m currently taking bribes from anyone who doesn’t want their prediction published. : p

    I only jultzed it by 7 points, which I’m quite proud of.

  42. russ99 says:

    Three things that I’m convinced are wrong paths this offseason that MacT seems convinced to do:

    1. We keep the top 8 forwards, and stick to the three scoring lines ideal that’s not workable in our division, we’re not a playoff team. If we want a playof team in the new arena, we need to start making moves toward that now.

    2. Ference and Nikitin need to go, and add Purcell to that list if we want the cap room to sign the veterans we need. And Schultz will never reach his potential without a solid veteran pairing mate who can skate, clear the crease and mentor Schultz on defense by example.

    3. Scrivens has shown his previous numbers don’t reflect what he can give an NHL team even with a league average defense. If we can get a good #1 than Bachman and Broissoit look good to hold down a traditional backup role.

    I don’t get the “stay the course” ideal at work here, we’ve been a bad team for 8 years now and we’ll continue to be a bad team, save a veteran infused jumpstart like the Islanders did.

  43. cabbiesmacker says:

    “My hope is he returns, not because Nelson is superior to Eakins, but because the coach wasn’t the problem”

    Eakins might not have been THE problem but he most certainly was one of the biggest. I sincerely wish he’d been allowed the full year because that would have erased all doubts about which coaching option was preferable.

    Some people seem to forget how badly the good ship Oiler was taking on water over Eakins last 10 – 20 games of his tenure. There’s pretty much zero chance this team would have shown any of the few positives it did once Nelson’s influence kicked in. Eakins was preaching to a deaf choir and that was pretty damned obvious.

  44. leadfarmer says:

    When evaluating this team you have to keep in mind their quality of defensemen. No defensemen means your team struggles. Take a look at Pittsburgh what happened when they lost their defensemen. It doesn’t matter that they have two future Hall of Famers at center, they just scraped together a win against the worst lineup in probably 20 years to make the playoffs and the only reason they are in the playoffs is the points they accumulated when they had defensemen.

    Hopefully Marincin learned his lesson this year and he will spend the summer in the gym.

    I don’t know if I would buy out Nikitin. Burry him in another league next year and let his contract expire. Maybe if he is motivated next year and plays like a bottom pairing defensemen you can get rid of him at the deadline with 50% retained for a 5th rounder or something. With Purcell coming of the books and Nikitin as well we may have a decent amount of cap space to make a move in a year.

    blast our goalies to the moon.

  45. leadfarmer says:

    Oh yeah and give Brossoit 50 starts in the Ahl next year.

  46. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Can O’Connor no longer burn a year by playing an nhl game? Can he do it with an ahl game? Are there ahl games left?

    If he can’t burn a year, maybe he signs with a better team?

  47. justDOit says:

    hunter1909: I’m currently taking bribes from anyone who doesn’t want their prediction published. : p

    Just going to short-circuit your threat: 90 frEakin points. Whoa… daddy…

    On the positive side, I believe that qualifies me to sit on a Spurtznet panel of some sort. So there’s that.

    Don’t publish who made it, but what was the highest point prediction?

  48. cabbiesmacker says:

    kinger_OIL:
    hunter1909,

    I’ll eat another pair of LT’s shoes, if my points predicition was higher than 69…

    Look on the bright side. It wasn’t a bet you could lose money on so you won’t have to welch like you did on ours 2 years ago.

    (disclaimer – if it wasn’t you, but i’m pretty sure it was because it was “king” something, who bet me $20 that the Oilers were playoff bound then my sincere apologies)

  49. justDOit says:

    Be sure to set your PVR:

    Follow

    Tom Gulitti
    ‏@TGfireandice
    NHL officially announces draft lottery will be held Saturday, April 18, 8 p.m. Results will be revealed live on NBC, CBC and TVA

  50. RexLibris says:

    frjohnk:
    No surprise here

    http://www.tsn.ca/leafs-fire-gm-nonis-interim-coach-horachek-1.254857

    Yeah, not surprising when your boss has not connection to you, personally hired a young assistant GM the summer before, and then went on to tell the media that the core players, those player assembled by you and your predecessor/mentor, will have to be moved this off-season.

    Nonis doesn’t need an exit interview, two-thirds of the season was essentially one long, drawn-out debriefing.

    Now, do we see Nonis in Calgary in some way alongside Burke? He has basically followed Burke around for most of his professional hockey management career.

  51. kinger_OIL says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    Wasn’t me – I haven’t said this is a playoff team since I first found this blog about 4 years ago! Thank goodness for this blog: the only way that alows me to continue to be an Oiler Fan! Playoffs at least 2 years away: I’m not predicting playoffs in two years, because who knows what happens then. Law of averages I guess and all those draft picks at some point have to kick in.

  52. RexLibris says:

    Trade Schultz.

    Buy out Nikitin.

    Re-sign Roy.

    Sign Soderberg. Carl, that is, not Steven.

    Pursue Sekera, Franson and Niemi.

    Retain Nelson either as Head Coach or as Associate Coach to Todd McLellan.

    Retain Bachman for G depth.

    Retain Dustin Schwartz but add some goalie coaching assistance to the system.

  53. RexLibris says:

    Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun 13m Just imagining the reaction if the Bruins or Kings won the draft lottery next Saturday. I think that would be fun.

    LeBrun hates Buffalo.

  54. Marc says:

    This is from this morning, but seeing as no one has posted it:

    Jim Matheson @NHLbyMatty · 11h 11 hours ago
    The Oilers will offer Justin Schultz a 1 year contract and hope he starts looking like a keeper.#oilers

    Add that to MacT not mentioning Schultz as a player who has been assured that they won’t be traded and it certainly suggests that the Oilers will be going into the off season with a more realistic assessment of Schultz’s capabilities at this point and time than they did last season.

  55. justDOit says:

    Looking forward to the RE series.

    Split Enz would be a bad choice for the music, except for Benny’s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar7DgREshAk&t=1m26s

  56. cahill says:

    V. Chilly,

    For what it’s worth I have a friend who was a goalie in Hockey East and he watches a lot of their hockey. He didn’t seem overly impressed with O’Connor. Said his foot work, lateral movement needs alot of work, he is prone to letting in weak goals and wasn’t sure that he would be a starter in the NHL. He thought he’s overhyped due to Eichel bringing attention to Boston U and he’d be better served playing one more season in college rather than turning pro. Personally, I’m not sold on him outside of this year his SV% isn’t anything to write home about.

    Ducey mentioned Sean Burke coming here to be a goalie coach. Burke wants a job in management. It doesn’t seem like it will happen in Arizona. I doubt he is going to take a goalie coach job.Perhaps the Oiler’s in their ‘forensic audit’ remove their pro scouts and can convince Burke to come here to headup the pro scouting team. This team needs scouts that can identify D & G. The one thing that Phoenix has done well in the past was find free agents to fill in the, as LT calls them, 7’s, 8’s & 9’s.

  57. frjohnk says:

    IF the plan is to NOT make the playoffs next year they should not buy out anybody.

    Buying any of Purcell, Nikitin, Ference or Scrivens saves us money next year but it will be added to the cap for the following year.

    With those 4, their salary adds up to 14.55M in 16-17.

    Lets say we bought all of them out next year just for the sake of discussion
    We save 9.616M next year (14.55M – 4.616 buyout cost)

    But it would also costs us 4.616m in 16-17.
    And would cost 1.167 in 17-18 ( Ference buyout)
    And 1.167 in 18-19. ( Ference buyout)

    Scrivens, Nikitin and Purcell are UFA after next year. By not buying them out this spring, it would cost us 11.3M for to have them on the roster for 15-16. The cost for 16-17 is $0M

    Buy them out this spring and the cost is 4.2M in 15-16 and 4.2M in 16-17.

    4.2M can get you a pretty decent hockey player.

    As for Ference, I’d look at buying him out next spring.

    Buy out in spring of 2015 looks like this for Ference
    2015-16….1.167M
    2016-17….1.167M
    2017-18….1.167M
    2018-19….1.167M

    Buy out in spring of 2016 looks like this
    2016-17….1.083M
    2017-18….1.083M

    I don’t think we make the playoffs next year, if that is the case, do not buy anybody out. ( Maybe look at trades with retaining salary) Look for contending for a spot in 16-17.

  58. GCW_69 says:

    hunter1909:
    Hunter1909 Oiler’s 2015 Death March final results: Oilers finish with 62 points. Here are the winners:

    1st:Commonfan1465 points

    2nd: Pouzar67 points

    3rd: Yeti: 69 points

    4th:Zatch; Phrank Lee 72 points

    6th: Godot 10 73 points

    7th: Paperdesigner; Marcus Oilerus; Bookjie74 points

    Congratulations to all the winners.

    To claim prize, winners must contact within 30 days/prizes will be distributed after 30 days:

    hunter1909@safemail.net

    I don’t know what I was thinking back then. Should have expected something in the 60s. No matter how bad I think the team will be, they find ways to be worse.

  59. RexLibris says:

    Marc: Jim Matheson @NHLbyMatty · 11h 11 hours ago
    The Oilers will offer Justin Schultz a 1 year contract and hope he starts looking like a keeper.#oilers

    Well, I guess putting him in net couldn’t be any worse than what we’ve already tried…

  60. rickithebear says:

    Marincin:
    13-14
    22gm 16:51 AVG TOI .16 EVP/60
    20gm 21:10 Avg TOI .57 EVP/60
    14-15
    24gm 17:07 AVG TOI .00 EVP/60
    17gm 20:48 AVG TOI .85 EVP/60

    Let the horse run!

  61. Doubting Olive says:

    Happy Birthday Nuge! 22 today.

  62. leadfarmer says:

    I wonder how long until the league changes their playoff match ups.
    Anaheim plays what should be the 6th seed in the first round before playing the winner of what should be the 7th seed vs the 8th seed, while the central division destroys itself. Whoever comes out of the central division is going to be so beat up physically that they may not have the bodies to keep going. All this while one of Van or Cgy gets a pass to the second round.

  63. godot10 says:

    leadfarmer:
    I wonder how long until the league changes their playoff match ups.
    Anaheim plays what should be the 6th seed in the first round before playing the winner of what should be the 7th seed vs the 8th seed, while the central division destroys itself.Whoever comes out of the central division is going to be so beat up physically that they may not have the bodies to keep going.All this while one of Van or Cgy gets a pass to the second round.

    But Anaheim gets punished with travel, compared to the central division teams. They went to the divisional setup so travel wouldn’t be as debilitating to Western Conference teams in the playoffs.

  64. rickithebear says:

    frjohnk: No surprise here
    http://www.tsn.ca/leafs-fire-gm-nonis-interim-coach-horachek-1.254857

    Nonis players and Coach:
    21-16-3
    Shanahan interim coach:
    9-28-5

    Remember MacT 13months and calling for his head!

    Acordingly!

    Acountabilty!
    “I do not ……………………”

  65. godot10 says:

    1) Derek Roy is a bird in the hand. Get the bird in the hand signed, and then go look for another one in the bush.

    2) Pouliot, Nugent-Hopkins, Eberle
    Hall, Lander (or bird-in-the-bush), Miller/Pakarinen
    Hendricks, Gordon, Klinkhammer/Pitlick

    3) Those three lines should allow Purcell-Roy-Yakupov to have a soft minutes/heavier O-zone start role.
    The opposition will have to put out their better players against Nuge’s line and Hall’s line.

    4) I would try Schultz and the Pittsburgh 1st for Phaneuf.

    5) Nikitin for Cam Ward? Or Scrivens for Cam Ward, with Carolina retaining $1 million. Ward only has one year left. Contract year. He would be playing for a new contract. LImited risk.

    6) Franson is a 3rd pairing D. Gilbert would be a better option, and a lot cheaper. if one is going to spend the money, spend it on Petry or Sekera rather than Franson.

  66. leadfarmer says:

    godot10,

    You would send Schultz and a mid first in a deep draft for a second pairing defenseman making 7 mil a year?

  67. justDOit says:

    Follow

    Ryan Fabro
    ‏@RYANFABRO590
    Not sure if this is out there yet but just heard from a very reliable source that 18 #leafs scouts have been let go today as well

    This is troubling. I wonder how many of them end up in the Oilways office?

  68. Mr DeBakey says:

    godot10: 4) I would try Schultz and the Pittsburgh 1st for Phaneuf.

    That is still too much for Phaneuf,
    Something involving Schultz & Seabrook would be interesting & might work.
    As has been pointed out, that Schultz contract is amazingly bad

  69. leadfarmer says:

    godot10,

    ????

    Edmonton is in the same division but is 300 miles further from Anaheim than Dallas which is in another division. Denver, which is another division, is more than 700 miles closer to Anaheim than Edmonton. In fact the furthest they have to travel in the central division is less than 300 miles further than Edmonton and they don’t have to go through international customs everytime they go there.

  70. leadfarmer says:

    I think they wanted to create stronger rivalries by going to a divisional playoff, I doubt travel concerns had much to do with it.

  71. godot10 says:

    leadfarmer:
    godot10,

    You would send Schultz and a mid first in a deep draft for a second pairing defenseman making 7 mil a year?

    Phaneuf is a legit #2.5, with physicality, mobility, and a shot for the PP. He is a nice complement to Fayne, who can continue to be buried with d-zone starts, with Phaneuf getting a more feature offensive role. The Oilers PP will be devastatingly good with Phaneuf replacing Schultz.

    Klefbom Phaneuf
    Marincin Fayne

    or
    Marincin Phaneuf
    Klefbom Fayne

    4 legit D. With both Klef and Marty having a competent vet to play with.

    When you see the dollars that D or going to get in free agency, Phaneuf’s contract will be a market value contract. He is only twenty nine.

    I want to hang with the pack next year. Phaneuf is the D who can make the difference who is available. He is not perfect. Continuous improvement is a superior strategy to the pursuit of perfection at every step.

  72. Ca$h-Money! says:

    Phaneuf on this team just makes them that much harder to cheer for. Everyone I know who has met the guy suggest he is just the absolute worst. I know we need competent D, but there has to be a less cancerous option out there.

  73. stevezie says:

    godot10,

    I know you are set on this, but that is an objective overpay for Phaneuf. The rumour was Toronto wanted Brendan Smith for him at the deadline, and Detroit balked and/or insisted on significant salary retention. Smith is 26 and had 13 points.

    Would you trade Pitsburgh’s 1st for a 26 year old coming off a 17 minute, 13 point season? Obviously, you would not.

    Wait, would you?

    And then Schultz, who is rfa and therefore not a salary dump? (Which also implies you think Schultz has positive value to a team that already has Gardiner and Rielly.)

    I agree Phaneuf is miscast in Toronto, but that casting has resulted in him being severely overpaid by a team who a) does not need a 7 million dollar, long-term signed 2-3 defenceman right now, and b) has reason to move away from Phaneuf specifically.

    This is before we even begin to consider the implications of the stagnant salary cap!

    Your offer would be accepted so fast it would make your head spin. Shanny would hire his secretary as GM just so he would have someone to officially accept the trade.

  74. stevezie says:

    godot10,

    3 goals, and not a defensive ace.

    Yes, he probably scores a lot more with usage more appropriate to his skills, but solid second pairing d-men do not get 7 million, and they really don’t get it from teams like the Leafs who do not need a guy with his skills.

    You don’t go to a motivated seller who has something only a small handfull of teams would want with a first round draft pick. I think they would take Nitkinin if we retained salary. Maybe I am wrong, but I would bet my shoes he goes eventually goes for a lot lower than a 1st (let alone whatever Schultz’s value is. Don’t say nothing- if it’s nothing we just don’t qualify him.)

  75. admiralmark says:

    frjohnk,

    I agree in a lot of ways with your thoughts here. The only drawback I see is the effect on the young D on this team. With Ference, Nikitin and Schultz manning 3 out of 6 D positions. This means Klef, Marincin, and possibly Nurse all have to try and develop by being thrown into the fire. They need to somehow find more competent D to help with the young D moving forward. Perhaps finding a way to lose at least 1 of these 3 and then having the remainder of Schultz/Ference on the 3rd pairing might be the lesser of 2 evils?

  76. PeOiler says:

    Marco Roy scores his second of the playoffs, albiet a flukey one off of an opponents stick. 2-1 Remparts.

  77. HugThePost says:

    uh……speaking of keepers, this is our goalie saviour?

    http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/boston-u-goalie-blows-late-ncaa-title-game-lead-with-h-1697276142/+bubbaprog

    Based on that play, this guy would fit right in with this circus.

  78. dangilitis says:

    I really doubt anyone is stupid enough to look at Justin Schultz and think that he can be part of the return for a top pair defenseman. He must be seen as a risk by smarter teams, and more under the microscope since MacT’s comments at the beginning of the year. Yes we live in the West but teams can easily get footage of gaffe after gaffe.

    Tyler Myers, who is a better defenceman, was traded with a likely mid to late1st round draft pick and Stafford for Kane and Bogosian. Kane is far less valuable to most teams than Seabrook, and you can see what was required to get the deal started. Myers’ value now likely exceeds that of Kane, but that’s the risk that was associated with not knowing whether a better team would benefit Myers based on his earlier seasons. There is far greater risk for a good-great team in acquiring Schultz, if you could even convince someone to take him, and thus, far less reward.

    The decision to trade Petry and keep Schultz has far greater negative impact than signing Nikitn, which will only hurt the team for 2 years. I wonder what we could have gotten for Schultz in October?

  79. leadfarmer says:

    godot10,

    How does a guy that scored 3 goals all year while eating up 3 1/2 minutes of powerplay time a game make a powerplay devastatingly good?
    I would worry about a guy making 7 million a year producing 13 evenstrength points. That is Andrew Ferrence level production.

    The only way i give Toronto anything of value for him is if they keep at least 1.5 million in salary. He is just not good enough for his price tag, especially with the cap not going up.

  80. stephen sheps says:

    On Todd Nelson:

    “I’m sure if you ask anyone in the room and they’ll all tell you the same thing. He’s been really positive on us and really changed the way we approach the game from the beginning of the year to now. It’s just unfortunate he’s been put in a pretty bad situation and a lot of injuries and players going down. So Todd has been great. We’ll see what happens next year but hopefully Todd gets to stick around with us” – Benoit Pouliot post game comments.

    That should say at least a little bit about how the players feel about this coach, corresponds to some of the verbal coming from Eberle and Hall earlier in the full-nelson era.

    Figured most of you had either watched or listened to last night’s post game/post mortem but thought I’d transcribe that quote nonetheless.

  81. stevezie says:

    dangilitis,

    Some dared to dream O’Reilly. Since a week before his hiring Dellow was publicly imploring the Oilers to consider the deal, we can assume the issue was raised. Maybe Colorado said no, who knows?

  82. leadfarmer says:

    HugThePost,

    Definitely fits our goalie mold. All we have to do is trade for Bernier and keep “Seive”ns and we could have a monopoly on goalies that make a way above average amount of bone headed plays.

  83. RexLibris says:

    justDOit:
    Follow

    Ryan Fabro
    ‏@RYANFABRO590
    Not sure if this is out there yet but justheard from a very reliable source that 18 #leafs scouts have been let go today as well

    This is troubling. I wonder how many of them end up in the Oilways office?

    Rightly so.

    Leafs have been falling well short on the draft for decades now.

    Part of that is on the GMs they’ve had, but that scouting department needed a massive overhaul.

    I don’t see an Oilers connection in this department.

  84. justDOit says:

    stephen sheps: Figured most of you had either watched or listened to last night’s post game/post mortem but thought I’d transcribe that quote nonetheless.

    Thanks – just watching the interviews now. Love that Yak wished the Nucks well in the playoffs. Class.

    Does anyone know where I can find that MacT interview from last night?

    Edit: Found JW’s article on the MacT interview over at ON.

  85. LMHF#1 says:

    HugThePost:
    uh……speaking of keepers, this is our goalie saviour?

    http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/boston-u-goalie-blows-late-ncaa-title-game-lead-with-h-1697276142/+bubbaprog

    Based on that play, this guy would fit right in with this circus.

    Wow…wtf was that about???

    (O’Connor I mean, not the comment)

  86. Pouzar says:

    So Brossoit with a ho hum 38 save shut out yesterday.
    Just announce him as our starter for next year. #OnlyHalfJoking

  87. cabbiesmacker says:

    LMHF#1: Wow…wtf was that about???

    (O’Connor I mean, not the comment)

    Give the guy a beak. according to the article headline he had other things on his mind.

    Boston U. Goalie Blows Late NCAA Title Game Lead With Huge Boner

  88. Dicky94 says:

    Pouzar,

    He could possibly be the backup by the end of next year. I personally think he is a better option than Scrivens right now. Thankfully the season is over though.

  89. Heinz 57 says:

    In my world, when gainful employment comes knocking, it usually begins with a trip in anonymous white van—with my head stuffed into a stuffy, black, PVC gimp-hood—to some underground bunker where the sun doesn’t shine, and day blends into the night, and the metal meshwork round-file beside my desk (that no-one ever comes to empty) slowly fills with deceased keyboards (every one of them pocked by a missing right-hand Windows key) of inadequate clackbone to withstand an entrepreneurial abduction scenario.

    Those missing Windows keys have all accumulated—still in their spanky-new, pristine condition—in a narrow-lipped coffee mug lined with dried-out coffee residue—a mug sporting a dainty, useless handle, trialled exactly once on the morning of first muster (day? night?), handle-out fist-grip after the first sip, then forever orphaned onto a receding desk corner, where sometimes it passes beneath notice as a plinth for a rising SUDs clam-stalk of sweet and sour molded holders (SUDs = single-use disposables).

    ———

    The anguish of 2015-2016 shall not be mine—though I might cut myself a day pass from time to time for a minor wrist slashing and blood pressure release.

    Eternally half-full, I’m sure I’ll be back again to enjoy the winning season of 20?x-20?x+1, real soon now.

    Got ta trot, they’re tugging on my eyelet cinch-cord something fierce. Once they get the nose ring in, there’s no way I can maintain home position long enough to belt out one final triple mdash, so it’s best to quit while I’m a-heading out the door in one piece …

    ———

    … noooooo wait a minute — one more thing! — NO SPRINGING THE “BALANCE” PICTURE BEFORE ITS TIME.

    I’ve waiting a long #$!#@ time for that picture, so don’t be getting hasty while I’m AFK for a meagre twrr;ve jomthss,./0.

    thump, bump bump ouch bump, slam, slam, SLAM, cra-a-a-a-nk, roaaARRR, squeeeeeeeeeeEeeal

    Crap! They’re not using a white van this time. Hey, I know that sound, it’s the same 1968 Ford Mustang GT from long ago, but this time with four tires and no spare (praise the lord) … hardly recognized it with all the extra wiggle room … but come on people, if we have to use torque arms, could we do this with a trunk that’s not form-fitting to a spring chicken? Whe-ew, maa-an they should clean this head bag! The least bit of warmth, and right away you begin to smell history repeating.

  90. G Money says:

    *** NERD ALERT ***

    This is a redo of the head to head CF% visualization chart I posted a few weeks ago, this time with playoff (sigh) teams only.

    https://oilersnerdalert.wordpress.com/2015/04/12/head-to-head-cf-visualization-for-playoff-teams/

  91. Doubting Olive says:

    cabbiesmacker: Give the guy a beak. according to the article headline he had other things on his mind.

    Boston U. Goalie Blows Late NCAA Title Game Lead With Huge Boner

    Hahaha! Coach should have called a time out. “We need someone to get rid of this, STAT! Looking at you, rookie.) Or at least let him put a bigger jock on.

    #unfortunategrammar

  92. Giant Squid Overlord says:

    Thank you to everyone who gave “LTisms” suggestions for my digital composition that I’m creating to honour LT and this blog. It’s going to take a day to render and for me to do some Photoshop touch ups.

    I put in a lot of the suggestions but there wasn’t room for all. I did include a boy playing in a wooden box, but I’m not sure what it means. Anyone care to enlighten?

    I was planning on posting the file for download somewhere on the net for anyone who wanted a copy, but am not sure how best to do this. It was suggested I make it cost to download a hi res version with proceeds going to LT. I’m cool with this idea, but I wouldn’t know how to set it up. Suggestions?

  93. G Money says:

    Giant Squid Overlord,

    If you go the free download road, I have no problem putting it in the same download folder where I’ve made all my NerdAlert data available. Let me know if you’d like to do this.

  94. Captain's Log says:

    godot10,

    Phaneuf had 3 more points on the PP this year than Schultz. He has had much better years than this last one but I’m not convinced he would make that big of an impact.

  95. Giant Squid Overlord says:

    G Money,

    Right on, thanks for offering. We’ll see where this goes.

  96. PeOiler says:

    Marco Roy with another goal to put the Remparts up 3-2 in the third.

  97. frjohnk says:

    G Money:
    *** NERD ALERT ***

    This is a redo of the head to head CF% visualization chart I posted a few weeks ago, this time with playoff (sigh) teams only.

    https://oilersnerdalert.wordpress.com/2015/04/12/head-to-head-cf-visualization-for-playoff-teams/

    Looking at the match ups.

    Anaheim 43% vs Winnipeg 57%
    Chicago 52% vs Nashville 48%
    Minnesota 44% vs StL 56%
    Calgary 43% vs Vancouver 57%

    Detroit vs 48% vs TB 52%
    Montreal 48% vs Ottawa 52%
    NYR 40% vs Pittsburgh 60%
    NYI 53% vs Washington 47%

    Anaheim, Calgary, Minnesota and Rangers got their heads caved in by their first round opponents in the regular season.

    I’m pretty sure Rangers reverse those stats with the Pens roster depleted.

    Also wouldn’t surprise me to see Calgary have a CF% of around 40% but win the series.

  98. Younger Oil says:

    In defence of O’Connor on that goal, while it was a big mistake, I’m baffled as to why the ref didn’t blow the whistle. O’Connor clearly had it in his glove, and the puck was out of sight. The fact that the ref didn’t blow his whistle (O’Connor looked right at the ref after he caught it, who did nothing) made O’Connor think the puck was still in sight, hence opening his glove and trying to get back into position.

    That’s how I saw it at least.

  99. stevezie says:

    frjohnk,

    The most illuminating tidbit on the Flames I’ve seen recently is they lead the league on penalties taken-drawn differential. That’s going to make a difference that does not show up in Corsi.

  100. Dashingsilverfox says:

    stevezie:
    frjohnk,

    The most illuminating tidbit on the Flames I’ve seen recently is they lead the league on penalties taken-drawn differential. That’s going to make a difference that does not show up in Corsi.

    That should be offset to a large degree by Vancouver’s PK which was 2nd in the league at 85.7%.

    Calgary’s was 20th at 80.6%

  101. Rondo says:

    frjohnk,

    TB
    NYR Big favorites

    Wash
    STL
    Chicago Favorites

    Calgary
    Montreal -Flip the coin

    Winnipeg- Upset

  102. godot10 says:

    leadfarmer:
    godot10,

    How does a guy that scored 3 goals all year while eating up 3 1/2 minutes of powerplay time a game make a powerplay devastatingly good?
    I would worry about a guy making 7 million a year producing 13 evenstrength points.That is Andrew Ferrence level production.

    The only way i give Toronto anything of value for him is if they keep at least 1.5 million in salary.He is just not good enough for his price tag, especially with the cap not going up.

    He was used as a heavy D-zone start tough minutes defender playing too many minutes in Toronto.

    Use him properly, in the Justin Schultz role in Edmonton, because one has Fayne to be the shutdown RD.

    Like Nelson runs Klefbom and Schultz with Nugent-Hopkins line, run Phaneuf (with Klefbom or Marincin) with Nugent-Hopkins line. And one helps Klefbom and/or Marincin in the process.

    The OIlers were only able to get Pronger because he was damaged goods (nobody knew if he was going to recover from a wrist injury 100%) and because no one else had cap room to sign him to the contract the Oilers did. Buy Phaneuf low. Now Phaneuf is a big step down from Pronger, but he is a big step up from Schutlz, and there will be competition for Phaneuf.

    Phaneuf is a legit #2.5 D. Not quite a top D…but that would represent a huge improvement on the Oilers blue line.

    Phaneuf probably doesn’t want to come to Edmonton, so it probably doesn’t matter. San Jose and Detroit and Colorado are likely to pursue him hard.

    If Colorado cannot extend O’Reilly, Phaneuf for O’Reilly will likely happen. Marleau plus for Phaneuf is also a possibility.

    The Oilers have all sorts of other shiny young things, that Phaneuf would not be the centre of attention

    I would try though. Toronto would be a good place for Justin Schultz to get a 2nd opinion, since they would be rebuilding.

  103. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Giant Squid Overlord,

    LT told a story about how his dad made a new ‘tent’ for camping but it was more of a coffin box. Hilarious story.

    https://lowetide.ca/2013/09/05/penticton/

  104. Bank Shot says:

    Why are we overjoyed that MacT won’t trade any of the “core”?

    Having three one way wingers as your big ticket items isn’t a great way to build a hockey team.

  105. Rondo says:

    Bank Shot,

    They are not trading the core because they wouldn’t get much of a return.

  106. leadfarmer says:

    godot10,

    My point is that at 7 million per year, you don’t can’t get him “cheap” because even if you get him for
    A 7th round pick you still have to pay him 7 million a year which is ridiculous money for a 2nd pairing defenseman even if he is a 2 and 3/4 dman

  107. stevezie says:

    godot10: If Colorado cannot extend O’Reilly, Phaneuf for O’Reilly will likely happen. Marleau plus for Phaneuf is also a possibility.

    You’re not responding to any of the arguments. No one is saying he sucks, or that he wouldn’t make Edmonton better. The point is his price-tag, declining production and Toronto’s situation have collided to significantly lower his trade value.

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/maple-leafs-want-brendan-smith-in-dion-phaneuf-deal-with-red-wings/

    The Leafs agreed to take Weiss’s contract and still couldn’t get Brendan Smith for him. Brendan Smith.

    Ryan O’Reilly? Marleau plus? The same Marleau who rather famously isn’t waiving his ntc? You don’t think they’d rather take Crosby, just to balance out the contract lengths? Maybe they should swap him for Drew Doughty and the set of Stanley Cup rings Gretzky’s high-stick cheated them out of? Or would they have to retain salary? Who throws in the 2nd there?

  108. godot10 says:

    stevezie: You’re not responding to any of the arguments. No one is saying he sucks, or that he wouldn’t make Edmonton better. The point is his price-tag, declining production and Toronto’s situation have collided to significantly lower his trade value.

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/maple-leafs-want-brendan-smith-in-dion-phaneuf-deal-with-red-wings/

    The Leafs agreed to take Weiss’s contract and still couldn’t get Brendan Smith for him. Brendan Smith.

    Ryan O’Reilly? Marleau plus? The same Marleau who rather famously isn’t waiving his ntc? You don’t think they’d rather take Crosby, just to balance out the contract lengths? Maybe they should swap him for Drew Doughty and the set of Stanley Cup rings Gretzky’s high-stick cheated them out of? Or would they have to retain salary? Who throws in the 2nd there?

    I would much rather have Phaneuf at $7 million and/or Petry at $5 million than Cody effin-Franson (a marginal #4 D) for $5 million.

    I think there will be a strong market for Phaneuf during June, moreso than at the trade deadline.

    Dallas needs a vet D. Colorado needs a vet D. San Jose is looking to shake things hard. Maybe Carolina does Eric Staal and a bad contract or two for Phaneuf.

    Detroit was looking for a steal at the deadline.

  109. Doubting Olive says:

    stevezie:
    frjohnk,

    The most illuminating tidbit on the Flames I’ve seen recently is they lead the league on penalties taken-drawn differential. That’s going to make a difference that does not show up in Corsi.

    Truculence/60?

  110. G Money says:

    Phagoof is an interestingly polarizing player, isn’t he?

    He has significant value as a player as a stalwart second pairing defensemen and power-play specialist (he hasn’t done as much lately but has a history of being very good in that role).

    He’s clearly miscast as a #1D and if anyone knows how bad things can get when you have players too high up in the lineup, it’s the Oilers.

    The problem is that for a useful second pairing defender, his current contract is toxic.

    I think the end result is that any realistic trade proposal for Phaneuf is going to assume that Toronto retains salary to get down to a level that makes sense for that class of defender, OR takes on an equally toxic but smaller contract as an equivalence.

    At that point you can start to manufacture a trade for assets that takes into account the needs and relative asset strengths of the trading parties.

  111. godot10 says:

    G Money:

    He’s clearly miscast as a #1D and if anyone knows how bad things can get when you have players too high up in the lineup, it’s the Oilers.

    The problem is that for a useful second pairing defender, his current contract is toxic.

    The defense market was reset with the Subban contract. $7 million only seems high for an #3D. It will be the norm going forward, for #3D’s in their late twenties as UFA’s or potential UFA’s.

    Phaneuf at $7 million is going to be a better value than whatever Sekera or Franson are going to get.

    I’d try to stuff Nikitin’s contract the other way with Schultz and the Pittsburgh pick. I will be surprised if their is NOT a strong market for Phaneuf trades.

    I would probably open with Schultz, NIkitin, and the 2nd round pick.

  112. thejonrmcleod says:

    Yak with a big endorsement of Nelson:

    “Yeah, I think my last half of the year was pretty good,” said Yakupov. “I’m really happy to have Nelly. He gave me kind of a second life. I was really enjoying to play, really enjoying practice and to be around the hockey rink and play the game. I think that’s really the important thing in your favourite job. It was really, really good. I just want to thank Nelly too for giving me support. He was so nice to me and it just helps a lot, you know? I really enjoyed the (second half) of the year.”

  113. Woodguy says:

    G Money:
    *** NERD ALERT ***

    This is a redo of the head to head CF% visualization chart I posted a few weeks ago, this time with playoff (sigh) teams only.

    https://oilersnerdalert.wordpress.com/2015/04/12/head-to-head-cf-visualization-for-playoff-teams/

    So Freaking Awesome.

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