RE 14-15 TEDDY PURCELL: ONE WAY OUT

I remember Teddy Purcell in the early days of his NHL career, he was part of a large group of forwards who hit the California coast in 2008 or so. Purcell didn’t have much pedigree and was battling a large group of players from Wayne Simmonds to Brad Richardson for playing time. I always cheer for the Purcell-types, there’s not much promised beyond an invite. Whatever happens now, Teddy Purcell made it. That’s something to respect.

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  1. THIS is erosion! Purcell turns 30 in September and he’s closer to the end than the middle, but he was far from being the worst option available to either coach.
  2. He didn’t score much at even strength. He was the No. 6 forward at even strength and he made a lot of veteran plays. I know he’s not going to make the all-star team and he’ll be gone when they’re good, but this isn’t a player who deserves a thrashing. He gave us what he had and I know for a fact he was among the 10 best forwards on this team. The Oilers weren’t a good 5×5 team, Purcell didn’t push the river but he delivered an appropriate amount based on playing time and linemates. He isn’t that far from his previous season, when he was performing for a much better team.
  3. Purcell is the first guy I get rid of this summer. Making you a dullard.
  4. Nice. You can’t win with slow forwards. You can’t win with rookie forwards or no damn good forwards either. Purcell is a useful player, it’s a damn shame he’s being wasted on a lost team but these things happen.
  5. Well, he was okay at least okay 5×4. He was No. 3 on the power play. Clever bugger, has been since he arrived in the NHL. I love good passers, and Purcell is more than that. He’s also very patient, hangs on to the puck forever even when he knows there’s going to be a price. In fact, I don’t remember the last Oilers forward who took as many hits to make a play as Purcell. Unselfish player, maybe to a fault.
  6. Meaning he should shoot more? Yes, I think so. Sublime passer though, so that’s a good option.
  7. Sam Gagner had a better year. Gagner was better 5×5 (1.41) but less effective (2.84) with the man advantage.
  8. Will they buy him out? No. Edmonton would need to have six superior skill wingers to flush him, and they do not have that many.
  9. They have four, maybe more. Hall, Eberle, Pouliot and you’re thinking Yakupov but I’m going to tell you that’s not true (yet) in many areas of the game. Purcell is going to be one of the top six wingers on this team next season on merit.
  10. What about Fraser, Pakarinen, Pitlick and Miller? What ABOUT Fraser, Pakarinen, Pitlick and Miller?
  11. One of those guys will pass Purcell soon. Well, if they do it should be in mid-season and you can always move Purcell to the pressbox. I didn’t see anything this year from any of them that makes buying out Purcell a reasonable option. It’s like the conversation we had about a center for Hall’s line—maybe it is Leon but let’s have some bloody cover in case that isn’t the answer.
  12. Purcell provides cover? Well, he’s an established NHL player. Let’s make sure one of these kids can beat him out before we flush the veteran.
  13. Who do you like among the wingers outside the NHL? In order. Among offensive wingers. Pakarinen, Slepyshev, Fraser, Miller, Pitlick.
  14. Interesting order. I put Pakarinen there because he ripped up the AHL first try, we haven’t seen that (yet) from Slepyshev. Fraser is mind boggling in the AHL (90 goals in 179 games) but hasn’t been able to provide consistent offense in the NHL so far. Miller looked fast and skilled, I like him, but we’re miles from counting on him. Tyler Pitlick isn’t an offensive winger, despite a pretty good shot.
  15. Who did he play well with? Purcell scored well with Derek Roy and (very well) with Anton Lander as his centers, although he wasn’t with Lander much this season. David Perron and Purcell were effective, which makes sense.
  16. Who were his most common linemates at 5×5? Nail Yakupov (408 minutes), Derek Roy (393 minutes), RNH (225 minutes) and  David Perron (191 minutes).
  17. That’s top quality. Well, no. I love Nail but he’s an adventure at this point, so Purcell (as the veteran on the line) was employed as the guy who was going to do a cleanup on aisle 3 a lot. Roy was a good linemate but there was no real chem with Nuge. Perron was a good fit, no doubt.
  18. Purcell is too slow to keep up to the kids. Speed is an issue for Purcell, it’s the thing that will send him to Europe in his early 30’s (the hands remain terrific). At the end of his contract (2016 summer) I suspect he’ll get one more NHL deal at a lesser amount, maybe two years.
  19. Not from the Oilers, surely. Edmonton should have someone ready by then, be it Leon or Marner or Dylan Strome. I’m not confident the current group above offers a guaranteed solution but would suggest Pakarinen and a signed Slepyshev might be the strongest options.
  20. Why this song? It’s a brilliant song, great guitars and the band is outstanding. It’s a funny lyric and the guy in the song is similar to Purcell—one way out and he can’t go that way.
  21. What do you mean? Guys who have Purcell’s experience and future shouldn’t be grinding it out with the No. 28 team. He can do some things, even in a support role, but finds himself not in Tampa helping the power play, but rather in Edmonton holding on to an NHL job.
  22. So, there’s only one way out but he can’t take it? Yes. Because playing a game for the No. 28 team is better than not being in the game at all. Sooner or later, the man will come flying through the door and that’s all she wrote.

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147 Responses to "RE 14-15 TEDDY PURCELL: ONE WAY OUT"

  1. Ben says:

    Purcell’s no world-beater, but he’s exactly the kind of place-holding vet that keeps the Oilers brainrust from putting an 18-year-old in that spot. There’s a kind of value to that.

  2. Doubting Olive says:

    I like Purcell, a good vet.

    However, I was thinking the other night about things I could do while Teddy’s on a break-away and still finish and watch him score:

    Do 3 years of back taxes.

    Re-tile the bathroom.

    Swap molasses that have been in the fridge to a different container, then back again.

    Watch all of GoT.

  3. Ca$h-Money! says:

    Doubting Olive:
    I like Purcell, a good vet.

    However, I was thinking the other night about things I could do while Teddy’s on a break-away and still finish and watch him score:

    Do 3 years of back taxes.

    Re-tile the bathroom.

    Swap molasses that have been in the fridge to a different container, then back again.

    Watch all of GoT.

    I’ve got one!

    Watch Oilers management successfully complete an actual rebuild.

  4. flyfish1168 says:

    He will be a good trading chip next spring at trade deadline.

  5. Doubting Olive says:

    Ca$h-Money!: I’ve got one!

    Watch Oilers management successfully complete an actual rebuild.

    Oh, c’mon! He ain’t THAT slow! 😉

  6. RT26 says:

    Keep Purcell. You could sign play him on the third line with Lander and either a signed Derek Roy, or with Pitlick/ Pakarinen as the other winger.

    Focus on solving D and G in the off-season.

  7. sumaclab says:

    Unless someone comes to camp and wows you than keep TP for this year and then flush him at the trade deadline.

  8. season not played says:

    Next years third line of Lander, Purcell and ideally someone fast and physical.

  9. G Money says:

    Well, he’s an established NHL player. Let’s make sure one of these kids can beat him out before we flush the veteran.

    Sigh. Doesn’t history suggest that means he’s as good as gone? Then again, you can never have enough 7th round draft picks.

    He was the No. 6 forward at even strength and he made a lot of veteran plays. I know he’s not going to make the all-star team and he’ll be gone when they’re good, but this isn’t a player who deserves a thrashing. He gave us what he had and I know for a fact he was among the 10 best forwards on this team. The Oilers weren’t a good 5×5 team, Purcell didn’t push the river but he delivered an appropriate amount based on playing time and linemates. He isn’t that far from his previous season, when he was performing for a much better team.

    Age may play a part of it. Before I get down too much on any of the forwards, the ability of the D to retrieve and move the puck needs to be addressed. Until that happens, every forward is playing with what I would guess to be a -3% Corsi and -0.25 ppg ball and chain.

  10. G Money says:

    Doubting Olive: Oh, c’mon!He ain’t THAT slow!

    Hey! C’mon! This management team is outstanding and completes rebuilds in record time. That’s why we’re already on the 8th one. Or is it nine?

  11. stush18 says:

    I think i may be the only oiler fan that likes purcell.

    In terms of actual puck possesion, i dont think there is a player better than purcell on the oilers. Especially on zone entries. Its hard to get him off the puck, and he places the puck into smart areas. Hes also a sublime passer. We all wish he shot more, but thats just not his style.

    I have no idea how fast a player soderburg is, but i really wouldnt mind playing purcell with hall in some capacity. Im pretty sure he has to play the off-wing with nail, which cant be an easy task.

    How about
    Pouliot-nuge-ebs
    Hall-soderburg-purcell
    Roy-lander-yak
    Hendrick-gordon-klink

    Im assuming that line is too slow for hall. But we all know hall loves the drop pass.

  12. smellyglove says:

    Man, I had to stop reading yesterday’s thread because of DSF. Winnipeg’s trio is better than Hall, Nuge, Hopkins… really?

    I’m as pessimistic on the Oilers as anybody, and have, in the past, enjoyed DSF’s questioning of assumptions. Good to keep homerism in check. However, that thread wrecked DSF’s credibility with me.

    Comparing three players of a good playoff team versus those of a perennial bottom feeder, and bringing +- into the equation reeks of HFBoards intellectual capacity. Not to mention while disregarding age differences, other issues (coaching), and general quality of support on the team.

    DSF: I invite enlightened dialogue with friendly people. Please don’t wreck this place with your trolling–it’s the only thing that fans of the Oilers have left.

  13. PhrankLee says:

    I’m happy to employ the guy in the top 6F because he is actual NHL talent but a 5×5/60 of 1.1 is awful for top 6F, imo.

    He has a decent shot and does not use it nearly enough.

    He learned a lot on the half boards PP in Tampa. I never really saw him put it to much use here, though I would have liked to.

    Superior passer. Hits guys in full stride very well.

  14. PhrankLee says:

    4 years from now that Klingberg deal at 4.25/yr will be the best value contract in the NHL.

    Wow.

  15. Woodguy says:

    Perfect write up on Purcell.

    Lots of the twitterati had no use for him, but he was the 2nd best RW on the team in terms of being able to actually play the game like an Actual NHL player.

    Like you said, you don’t get rid of those players, they need to be pushed out and no one is pushing too hard.

    If they slot Yak on 2RW next year I see no one who beats Purcell at 3RW and Parkinen-Lander-Purcell is a pretty damn serviceable 3rd line that doesn’t need shelter or OZS so you can feed lines 1 and 2 all the gravy.

    Also,

    It was noted at the end of the last thread by Leadfarmer:

    Dallas signed Klinberg to a 7 year 4.2 mil a year contract, so maybe the 7 year 3.5 mil per year for Klefbom is possible.

    Identify young talent and lock it up as long as you can.

    Glad to see MacT moving similarly on Klef.

    Wish he did on Petry.

    Hope he doesn’t on Jultz.

  16. Магия 10 says:

    As much as we focus on our G woes, the Wild gave Dubnyk some rest last night and he only had to make 19 saves. They broke the Blue’s forecheck and cycle. Looks like Parise has the missing clue for Mac-T on procuring and keeping D:

    “They’re a big team, a physical team. Our D did a good job of getting the puck and getting out of the zone.”

    Get. The. Damn. Puck. Out. Clean. Then speed can kill.

  17. zatch says:

    If Edmonton somehow wins the lottery tomorrow, does Draisatl move?

  18. elgruntus says:

    Great song choice LT! I’ve got one more silver dollar riding on the choice of “End Of The Line” for MacT. Don’t let me down 🙂

    BTW, I love these posts where you talk to yourself and play great music.

  19. leadfarmer says:

    Hoping Purcell comes in motivated in the fall, and has a good year since he is in need of a contract the following year. No reason to buy him out and spread his cap hit for two years when he is a useful player still. Aftter Nikitin, Schultz (1 year trial run likely), Purcell, and Scrivens contract expire at the end of this year, this team is sitting very well cap wise. Hope the GM knows how to use it

  20. leadfarmer says:

    zatch,

    Yes,

    To wing.

  21. Магия 10 says:

    leadfarmer:
    zatch,

    Yes,

    To wing.

    Yes.

    To Bakersfield.

  22. justDOit says:

    zatch: does Draisatl move?

    Three scoring lines – three centers with elite passing skills. Mkay?

    Colborne’s awesome shift on the GWG from the other night: http://streamable.com/dt1x Horvat = schooled.

  23. leadfarmer says:

    Магия 10,

    Its really unfair to St.Louis that they have to play the wild in the first round, while what should be the 7th seed gets to play the 8th seed (Van vs Cgy). Anaheim gets a EZ pass to the conference final.

  24. speeds says:

    Woodguy:

    Dallas signed Klinberg to a 7 year 4.2 mil a year contract, so maybe the 7 year 3.5 mil per year for Klefbom is possible.

    Identify young talent and lock it up as long as you can.

    Glad to see MacT moving similarly on Klef.

    Wish he did on Petry.

    Hope he doesn’t on Jultz.

    I’d like to see him sign both Marincin and Klefbom long term, depending on the numbers of course.

  25. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy,

    Absolutely agree on Schultz. He’s at over 200 games played now in the NHL. If you don’t see progress with him next year, there is a good chance you will not see progress at all.

    Woodguy, do you know what his qualifying offer is?

  26. vinotintazo says:

    the more Teams that fire their HC, the less chance we have @ Ttodd mclellan 🙁 .

  27. vinotintazo says:

    leadfarmer:
    Woodguy,

    Absolutely agree on Schultz.He’s at over 200 games played now in the NHL.If you don’t see progress with him next year, there is a good chance you will not see progress at all.

    Woodguy, do you know what his qualifying offer is?

    Qualifying offer has to be above his current offer… however the oilers can take him to arbitration and just offer him same as last year based on merit…

  28. Магия 10 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Магия 10,

    Its really unfair to St.Louis that they have to play the wild in the first round, while what should be the 7th seed gets to play the 8th seed (Van vs Cgy).Anaheim gets a EZ pass to the conference final.

    I prefer a balanced schedule in-conference. Without it playoffs have to be divisional like this.

    The upside is no first round losses to Dallas even if the Oil reach the playoffs.

  29. Магия 10 says:

    vinotintazo:
    the more Teams that fire their HC, the less chance we have @ Ttodd mclellan .

    If enough teams fire their coach maybe 2 of them get a Todd.

  30. zatch says:

    justDOit,

    I feel like that’s a lot of (potential) firepower for a 3rd line. A lot of money too. I can’t imagine any of those 3 men being satisfied on a 3rd line. I can’t imagien finding 6 wingers good enough for all 3. I can’t imagine our cap space liking it.

    Drai to the wing sounds good. I guess I figured more as part of a potential trade package for a D upgrade?

  31. RexLibris says:

    Pitch perfect on Purcell. (SO close to alliteration…)

    There were many nights where he left me wanting, but his passing is very good, his shot reluctant, and his speed problematic.

    But who are you going to replace him with? Fraser? No. Pakarinen? At times, perhaps, but he isn’t ready. Pitlick? Too often injured.

    Purcell is like the veteran D they are going to shop for this summer – a placeholder to buy time.

    On another note, regardless of the lottery, the Oilers need to find a way to trade up with the Pittsburgh pick. After pick #5 it goes New Jersey, Philadelphia, Columbus, San Jose, Colorado.

    One of the D is falling and I’d be calling the Sharks to move the Pittsburgh pick and a 2nd for their pick if it looks like Kylington will be available.

    MacTavish speaks glowingly about Klefbom and how the only problem they have with him is there isn’t enough to go around (exactly the problem they have with Nugent-Hopkins – cloning, dammit, get on it Katz!). If they are picking 3 or 4 I think it is Hanifin for exactly this reason. If they can get a shot at picking up another one of them in the same draft year, you do it, and that player is Kylington.

    In 2003 the Predators went Suter D (#7), Glazachev LW (#35), Klein D (#37) and Weber D (#49). Two out of three D turned out and they were set for nearly a decade. Adding Hanifin and Kylington to the prospect group sets the Oilers on D for a long time with Klefbom and Nurse added to the mix.

    OT I know, but there’s been a lot of “trade that pick” talk lately and I don’t think that’s the right approach here.

  32. zatch says:

    RexLibris,

    Pitch Perfect Pour Purcell

  33. godot10 says:

    If the Oilers win the lottery, they should really investigates trades of McDavid for Doughty or McDavid or Ekman-Larsson.

    McDavid and Schultz for Doughty.
    McDavid for Ekman-Larsson and Samuelsson (or Domi or Duclair).

  34. PhrankLee says:

    zatch,

    Parlaying pitch perfect Purcell points.

  35. RexLibris says:

    justDOit: Three scoring lines – three centers with elite passing skills. Mkay?

    Colborne’s awesome shift on the GWG from the other night: http://streamable.com/dt1x Horvat = schooled.

    Colborne isn’t really a C anymore. He’s been far more effective on the wing.

    This season he took about 4.3 faceoffs a game, winning 53% mind you, but he’s been largely transitioned to the wing except in cases of injury.

    Three scoring lines is a thing and the Oilers need it.

    But until they can find (AND KEEP!) a solid D corps that can pass the puck on the tape to a forward in motion with time and space, then it’ll remain a pipe dream.

    Even Crosby’s production, or lack thereof, in the postseason is being closely associated to a diminished Penguins blueline. I guess Shero’s plan of trading away all those young defensive prospects wasn’t the best idea.

  36. Ben says:

    godot10:
    If the Oilers win the lottery, they should really investigates trades of McDavid for Doughty or McDavid or Ekman-Larsson.

    McDavid and Schultz for Doughty.
    McDavid for Ekman-Larsson and Samuelsson (or Domi or Duclair).

    Not sure if serious.

  37. RexLibris says:

    zatch:
    RexLibris,

    Pitch Perfect Pour Purcell

    A little bit of a dog’s breakfast for language purists, but merci all the same.

    Reminds me of Ron Perlman’s character in Name of the Rose speaking “all languages…and none”.

  38. Evilas says:

    Магия 10: Yes.

    To Bakersfield.

    If this happens, would you offer Draisaitl to Nash for Jones?

    Yes/No?

  39. theres oil in virginia says:

    Alright LT, time to hire a secretary. Guests?

  40. Woodguy says:

    leadfarmer:
    Магия 10,

    Its really unfair to St.Louis that they have to play the wild in the first round, while what should be the 7th seed gets to play the 8th seed (Van vs Cgy).Anaheim gets a EZ pass to the conference final.

    ANA has only won one game.

    I wouldn’t count WPG out just yet.

  41. Woodguy says:

    Evilas: If this happens, would you offer Draisaitl to Nash for Jones?

    Yes/No?

    In a heartbeat

  42. RexLibris says:

    theres oil in virginia:
    Alright LT, time to hire a secretary.Guests?

    Jennifer Marlowe?

  43. Lowetide says:

    Dammit! Steve Lansky 10:05 (now); Jeff Krushell at 10:25; Garret Hohl, Jets Nation at 11; James Mirtle Globe and Mail 11:25

  44. theres oil in virginia says:

    Woodguy: ANA has only won one game.

    I wouldn’t count WPG out just yet.

    According to: http://www.whowins.com/tables/up10.html

    When up 1-0
    sport…round….site….Game 2 rec…………..series rec.
    NHL…Prelim…..all…..105-111 (.486)…..136-80 (.630)
    NHL…Prelim……H…..76-53 (.589)……….91-38 (.705)
    NHL…Prelim……V…..29-58 (.333)………..45-42 (.517)

    All time, I think. Not sure what it would look like for last 10 years or so.

  45. GCW_69 says:

    vinotintazo: Qualifying offer has to be above his current offer… however the oilers can take him to arbitration and just offer him same as last year based on merit…

    If his current salary is above league average, I don’t think a raise is required to qualify.

  46. GCW_69 says:

    Woodguy: Evilas: If this happens, would you offer Draisaitl to Nash for Jones?
    Yes/No?
    In a heartbeat

    Some people just can’t follow instructions. ; )

  47. Acumen says:

    Evilas,

    At first, thought that would be a bad trade for Nashville. But the more I think about it, the more sense it makes for them. They’ve needed an elite C forever, have an overload on D and a solid 4-5 year window before Weber starts to fade. You could make the bet that Jones will be that quality down the road, but you don’t know for sure, and Draisaitl fits their standard forward type like a glove.

    As an Oilers fan, I do it no questions asked.

  48. slopitch says:

    If you win the lottery you count your lucky stars and start planning the celebration in 2017. You dont go looking to trade him. He’s the last guy you move.

    Drai to Nashville is very interesting option given they are loaded on D and lacking in C. Riberio is good but at 35 I wouldnt bet on him much longer as 1C. Ellis is very underrated as well.

  49. John Chambers says:

    smellyglove:
    Man, I had to stop reading yesterday’s thread because of DSF. Winnipeg’s trio is better than Hall, Nuge, Hopkins… really?

    I’m as pessimistic on the Oilers as anybody, and have, in the past, enjoyed DSF’s questioning of assumptions. Good to keep homerism in check. However, that thread wrecked DSF’s credibility with me.

    Comparing three players of a good playoff team versus those of a perennial bottom feeder, and bringing +- into the equation reeks of HFBoards intellectual capacity. Not to mention while disregarding age differences, other issues (coaching), and general quality of support on the team.

    DSF:I invite enlightened dialogue with friendly people. Please don’t wreck this place with your trolling–it’s the only thing that fans of the Oilers have left.

    At this very moment in time Ladd – Little – Wheeler will win you more games than Hall – RNH – Eberle. They aren’t as talented as the Oilers trio, but they work their ass off both on and off the ice, and do the little things in-game to compete and win.

    I think the start of the past couple seasons really wore down everyone’s morale. Lousy goaltending right out of the gate ruined a summer of focus and training and everyone only gave half a shit by US Thanksgiving.

    It won’t be a couple of free agents who end the Oilers re-build, it’ll be a renewed focus on competing and winning even if it means not hitting the scoresheet … And a goalie who can stop the puck in October. Gord Almighty they need that.

  50. justDOit says:

    RexLibris: Jennifer Marlowe?

    Bailey would do, in a pinch.

  51. John Chambers says:

    season not played:
    Next years third line of Lander, Purcell and ideally someone fast and physical.

    Brian Bickell in a salary dump (along with Raanta) would be a nice addition to a Lander-Purcell line.

  52. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy,

    WPG is a good team that is going to get better. I think WPG is a better team than CGY or Van. Doesn’t change my point of not liking that Cgy and Van get to play each other while better teams have to face each other.

    WPG will give Anaheim a run for their money, but Anaheim will move on. CGY or Van will not give anaheim much of a challenge in the next round. Anaheim will then lose in the conference finals to whoever comes out of the central.

  53. justDOit says:

    Hey Nerdz! The NHL had just released the lookup table of number combinations for tomorrow’s lotto. Thought it might interest some here.

    http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en/v3/ext/pdfs/NHL-Lottery-2015-Look-Up-Table-Alpha-by-Team.pdf?navid=nhl:topheads

    I haven’t had time to look at it, as I’m currently off to the garage to removed the entire intake on a V6 to replace three spark plugs.

  54. John Chambers says:

    Woodguy: ANA has only won one game.

    I wouldn’t count WPG out just yet.

    Awesome series. Physical as hell but clean physical.

    The Ducks don’t get challenges physically very much and the Jets push them, but Ana can bring both toughness and as we saw last night, skill.

    The Jets will be like a team possessed at the MTS Centre though, even if they’re down 0-2. You do not want to miss the first period of game 3. It’ll be everything you love about playoff hockey.

  55. PhrankLee says:

    slopitch: Drai to Nashville is very interesting option given they are loaded on D and lacking in C.

    I like this deal. After this draft we have, finally, nice depth at C.

    I would still like to offer futures first.

    I like our options now that Lander is emerging.

  56. Магия 10 says:

    Evilas: If this happens, would you offer Draisaitl to Nash for Jones?

    Yes/No?

    Yes. Don’t think they accept.

  57. Магия 10 says:

    John Chambers: At this very moment in time Ladd – Little – Wheeler will win you more games than Hall – RNH – Eberle. They aren’t as talented as the Oilers trio, but they work their ass off both on and off the ice, and do the little things in-game to compete and win.

    With the same D behind them I think Hall – RNH – Eberle reach them in winnitude/60

  58. doritogrande says:

    If the Oilers win the lottery, they should really investigates trades of McDavid for Doughty or McDavid or Ekman-Larsson.

    McDavid and Schultz for Doughty.
    McDavid for Ekman-Larsson and Samuelsson (or Domi or Duclair).

    If we’re trading McDavid to LA, Kopitar is the ask, and there had better be more than just him coming back.

  59. zatch says:

    If Edmonton wins McDavid, the 2016 First should also be in play. Certainly the Pens 2015. Between that and Draisatl, go big game hunting.

  60. Ca$h-Money! says:

    doritogrande:
    If the Oilers win the lottery, they should really investigates trades of McDavid for Doughty or McDavid or Ekman-Larsson.


    McDavid and Schultz for Doughty.McDavid for Ekman-Larsson and Samuelsson (or Domi or Duclair).

    If we’re trading McDavid to LA, Kopitar is the ask, and there had better be more than just him coming back.

    No GM will trade McDavid. If he meets expectations then said GM is out of a job. Hockey reasons aside (and there are enough of those) it would come down to money: look at what Crosby did to the value of the Pens. A team that acquires Crosby (especially 18 y.o. Crosby) is worth like $150 million more the next day.

    LA isn’t trading Doughty. They play him 30 minutes a night, he’s young and in his prime. He is a perfect fit for the team they’ve built there, and with that team they’ve won 2 cups in the last 4 years. I highly doubt they will be blowing up their entire model based on this season. They might try to trade their Captain, or buy out Mike Richards, but they aren’t trading Doughty. We can all stop talking about it.

  61. frjohnk says:

    Evilas: If this happens, would you offer Draisaitl to Nash for Jones?

    Yes/No?

    They’d be asking for RNH, not Draisaitl.

    Draisaitl has more value to a cap hell team than a team like Nashville who isn’t in cap hell.

    Nashville would have no reason trading a top 3 D man now, going to be a number 1 d man, for a top prospect. If Nashville is trading Jones they would want a player who is a top line player right now not one who eventually will be in a couple of years.

    If we are to get a top pairing D man our best bet is to knock on doors of teams who are in cap hell.

  62. Pouzar says:

    frjohnk: They’d be asking for RNH, not Draisaitl.

    Draisaitl has more value to a cap hell team than a team like Nashville who isn’t in cap hell.

    Nashville would have no reason trading a top 3 D man now, going to be a number 1 d man, for a top prospect. If Nashville is trading Jones they would want a player who is a top line player right now not one who eventually will be in a couple of years.

    If we are to get a top pairing D man our best bet is to knock on doors of teams who are in cap hell.

    The difference in usage between Seth Jones and Josi/Weber is gaping. IMO, SJ is a ways away from #1 d-man status, as such the purchase price needs to be somewhere between Drai and Nuge.
    And favoring the Drai end of the spectrum.

  63. Woodguy says:

    I would trade McDavid for these players:

    Orr
    Gretzky
    Lemiuex
    Howe

    In their prime of course.

  64. G Money says:

    godot10: McDavid for Doughty

    I would do this trade.

    Doughty is a true dominant #1D in his prime.

    D wins championships – just ask Crosby and Malkin.

    But other than Doughty, there is no other player in the league that I can think of that is young enough and dominant enough that a McDavid trade makes sense. OEL, Hedman, etc. are not in the range.

  65. Dashingsilverfox says:

    If anyone is interested…

    I had a chance to speak with my friend who runs a printing shop and got a pretty good group discount on printing Squid’s masterpiece.

    For 40″ X 30″, printed on canvas, the cost would be $90/each.

    You would have to do your own mounting/framing.

  66. judgedrude says:

    justDOit:
    Hey Nerdz! The NHL had just released the lookup table of number combinations for tomorrow’s lotto. Thought it might interest some here.

    http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en/v3/ext/pdfs/NHL-Lottery-2015-Look-Up-Table-Alpha-by-Team.pdf?navid=nhl:topheads

    I haven’t had time to look at it, as I’m currently off to the garage to removed the entire intake on a V6 to replace three spark plugs.

    LT always says that we need some 6’s and 7’s (maybe even some 8’s or 9’s)…..

    For the four balls 6, 7, 8, 9 is a McDavid Winner!!

  67. zatch says:

    judgedrude,

    God Wills It!

  68. G Money says:

    judgedrude: LT always says that we need some 6’s and 7’s (maybe even some 8’s or 9’s)…..

    For the four balls6, 7, 8, 9 is a McDavid Winner!!

    Uno dos tres catorce is second on the list.

    What do U2 know about the NHL lottery that we do not?

    The possibilities are making my head spin.

  69. Woodguy says:

    Philly fires Berube.

    Another entrant into the coaching lottery.

  70. 10W30 says:

    Klingberg 7 years @ 4.2 Million as per Bleacher Report. Will this affect our Klefbom negotiations? I know they are far appart on pt production but coould be something to look at.

  71. Jordan says:

    judgedrude,

    justDOit,

    I quite like how there is a 1/1001 chances that there is a selection that belongs to no one and the balls needs to be picked again.

  72. Ducey says:

    zatch:
    If Edmonton wins McDavid, the 2016 First should also be in play. Certainly the Pens 2015. Between that and Draisatl, go big game hunting.

    I disagree.

    If they get McDavid, it will be a developmental year. He is good for maybe 40ish pts in his first year, and likely will need to learn faceoffs and some defense. We saw this with every 1st before.

    That’s not going to move the dial very far.

    I’d rather they develop Nurse and Leon on the farm, develop some D further, and find a GOALIE. Until they have someone who can properly guard the net, they are not going anywhere.

    And I wouldn’t give a first or Leon for goalie…

    In 2016 they should be primed for a breakout and can go whale hunting – although it has only worked once with Pronger.

  73. linkfromhyrule says:

    From JG’s new article at ON:

    “Bill Scott will represent the Oilers at the lottery. “I’m not a superstitious guy,” he told me. “But fortunately I know a few who are, and they have armed me with a couple good luck charms which I can’t reveal,” he smiled. The Oilers will pick either 1st, 3rd or 4th, so they will be picking a very good player regardless of what happens on Saturday at 6 p.m. MST on Hockey Night in Canada.”

    Guys, he’s got the tie. HE’S GOT THE TIE!!!

  74. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Woodguy:
    Philly fires Berube.

    Another entrant into the coaching lottery.

    Are you referring to Berube entering the fray, or Philly?

    I’m not interested in the Oilers hiring Berube, whereas Philly might be Very interested in hiring Babcock or McLellan. I don’t see this as a promising development, nor a surprising one for that matter.

  75. MrSmitty says:

    linkfromhyrule:
    From JG’s new article at ON:

    “Bill Scott will represent the Oilers at the lottery. “I’m not a superstitious guy,” he told me. “But fortunately I know a few who are, and they have armed me with a couple good luck charms which I can’t reveal,” he smiled. The Oilers will pick either 1st, 3rd or 4th, so they will be picking a very good player regardless of what happens on Saturday at 6 p.m. MST on Hockey Night in Canada.”

    Guys, he’s got the tie. HE’S GOT THE TIE!!!

    I am praying to the 8 drunken gods its the tie. Oh please let it be the tie.

  76. LMHF#1 says:

    I’m absolutely on board with either Lindrosing the #1 pick or immediately trading a top tier forward.

    My main interest would be Doughty ++ out of LA.

  77. RexLibris says:

    If you win the lottery, you take McDavid.

    If you want to land a defenseman this year do it by trading Marincin to a team in cap hell for a veteran or go hit free-agency, something made easier when you have McDavid.

    You don’t trade McDavid.

  78. LMHF#1 says:

    RexLibris:
    If you win the lottery, you take McDavid.

    If you want to land a defenseman this year do it by trading Marincin to a team in cap hell for a veteran or go hit free-agency, something made easier when you have McDavid.

    You don’t trade McDavid.

    That depends entirely on the offer.

  79. Marc says:

    Ducey: I disagree.

    If they get McDavid, it will be a developmental year.He is good for maybe 40ish pts in his first year, and likely will need to learn faceoffs and some defense.We saw this with every 1st before.

    That’s not going to move the dial very far.

    I’d rather they develop Nurse and Leon on the farm, develop some D further, and find a GOALIE.Until they have someone who can properly guard the net, they are not going anywhere.

    And I wouldn’t give a first or Leon for goalie…

    In 2016 they should be primed for a breakout and can go whale hunting – although it has only worked once with Pronger.

    Crosby had 102 pts as a rookie. And he had just turned 18 a couple months before the season started.

    Generational talents turn the dial in a big way from the outset.

    That’s why you don’t trade him for anyone other than:

    Orr
    Gretzky
    Lemiuex
    Howe

    In their prime of course.

  80. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Coaching And GM Odds

    via Bovada,

    Who will be the next Full Time Head Coach of the Toronto Maple Leafs

    Mike Babcock 9/5

    Todd McLellan 9/4

    Jeff Blashill 9/2

    Dan Bylsma 11/2

    Doug Gilmour 6/1

    Peter DeBoer 6/1

    Dallas Easkins 13/2

    Who will be the next Full Time General Manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs

    Mike Babcock 2/1

    Mike Futa 5/2

    Ray Shero 9/2

    Peter Chiarelli 6/1

    Doug Wilson 10/1

    Paul Fenton 10/1

    Sean Burke 10/1

    Julien Brisebois 12/1

    Jason Botterill 12/1

    Kyle Dubas 25/1

    Who will be the next Full Time General Manager of the Boston Bruins

    Ray Shero 2/1

    Don Sweeney 2/1

    Jeff Gorton 3/1

    Tom Fitzgerald 5/1

    Julien Brisebois 8/1

    Mike Futa 8/1

    Paul Fenton 17/2

  81. Woodguy says:

    Ducey: I disagree.

    If they get McDavid, it will be a developmental year.He is good for maybe 40ish pts in his first year, and likely will need to learn faceoffs and some defense.We saw this with every 1st before.

    That’s not going to move the dial very far.

    I’d rather they develop Nurse and Leon on the farm, develop some D further, and find a GOALIE.Until they have someone who can properly guard the net, they are not going anywhere.

    And I wouldn’t give a first or Leon for goalie…

    In 2016 they should be primed for a breakout and can go whale hunting – although it has only worked once with Pronger.

    40 points??

    Crosby scored 102 in his first year and McDavid is tracking ahead of Crosby.

    Hall got 42 pts his first year and Hall isn’t in McDavid’s zip code at all.

    Also,

    Gmoney and others who trade McDavid.

    You are all on glue.

    This isn’t another RNH, Hall, etc.

    This guy will be the best player in the game when he hits 21 or so and will be for 10 years barring injury.

    He really is McJesus.

    No one trades the McJesus.

  82. G Money says:

    Ducey: If they get McDavid, it will be a developmental year. He is good for maybe 40ish pts in his first year, and likely will need to learn faceoffs and some defense. We saw this with every 1st before.

    In Sydney Crosby’s rookie year, he finished sixth in league scoring with 102 pts (the leader was Thornton with 125).

    This is what they mean when they say a player is a ‘generational’ talent.

    They are calling him this because he’s the first player to outscore Crosby on his way up the ranks.

    It would/should not be a surprise if McDavid is the scoring leader next year for whichever team gets him.

  83. misfit says:

    McDavid isn’t your average 1st OV pick. Pegging him for 40 points is probably selling him short a great deal.

    Crosby had 102 points as a rookie. He’s not Crosby, but he’s closer to that company than anyone since him.

    Kane was a 72 point player as an 18 y/o rookie. I’d put McDavid ahead of him.

    I’d put him ahead of Stamkos as well, and even Stamkos’ 46 point rookie season had some head-scratching decisions that cost his coach his job. He likely would’ve exceeded that with anyone else. McDavid won’t be getting 4th line icetime or HS games anywhere he goes.

    Connor McDavid is a better prospect than John Tavares, and he was a 54 point player with an Islanders team completely devoid of talent.

    We can probably all agree that both Nuge and Hall are a good sized step down from CM as prospects and both missed a lot of games to injury as rookies, and both did better than 40 points even in the shortened season.

    McDavid could very likely lead the Oilers in scoring next year, and should be a lock for 70 no matter where he lands (if not 20+ points more than that). That moves the dial quite a bit for us from the combined 43 points we got from Roy/Draisaitl/Arcobello this year.

  84. Woodguy says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Are you referring to Berube entering the fray, or Philly?

    I’m not interested in the Oilers hiring Berube, whereas Philly might be Very interested in hiring Babcock or McLellan. I don’t see this as a promising development, nor a surprising one for that matter.

    Referring to Philly.

    Going to be some quality coaches available this summer.

  85. frjohnk says:

    RexLibris:
    If you win the lottery, you take McDavid.

    If you want to land a defenseman this year do it by trading Marincin to a team in cap hell for a veteran or go hit free-agency, something made easier when you have McDavid.

    You don’t trade McDavid.

    This.

  86. G Money says:

    Woodguy,

    Heh heh. We are apparently in full agreement on McDavid’s first year, but in ‘bike racks’ mode for trading him.

    Put it this way – Crosby and Malkin have one Stanley Cup together. Doughty has two and he’s 25 years old.

    I trade McDavid for Doughty because the Oilers fleet forwards with Doughty as #1D are a better and more dangerous team in the long run than the Oilers plus McDavid and whatever D corpse MacT can put together.

  87. zatch says:

    Ducey,

    I never once said goalie. I don’t think they should look at a goalie in this context. Defence is what’s up. Yes, 15-16 would be a development year, but that would also increase the value of the pick.

    LMHF#1,

    Underated option. I also think Buffalo for Eichel and one of their other A level prospects could be interesting too. It comes down to how many good bodies are worth one McJaysus

  88. Магия 10 says:

    Jordan:
    judgedrude,

    justDOit,

    I quite like how there is a 1/1001 chances that there is a selection that belongs to no one and the balls needs to be picked again.

    Dashingsilverfox: Who will be the next Full Time Head Coach of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    Mike Babcock 9/5

    Who will be the next Full Time General Manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs
    Mike Babcock 2/1

    Wait a minute if he’s both then, he’s full time on neither and the bookje’s don’t need to pay out.

  89. Dashingsilverfox says:

    40 points?

    John Kilngberg who was the subject of interest earlier, scored 40 points this season and, not only is he a defenseman, he’s not McDavid.

  90. speeds says:

    LMHF#1: That depends entirely on the offer.

    For the sake of argument, is there a D in the league worth McDavid?

  91. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Магия 10:
    Wait a minute if he’s both then, he’s full time on neither and the bookje’s don’t need to pay out.

    No idea…but I would wager he’ll be the new GM/Coach in Toronto.

    With Shanahan/Hunter/Dubas already in place, it would be a perfect set up.

  92. Woodguy says:

    G Money:
    Woodguy,

    Heh heh.We are apparently in full agreement on McDavid’s first year, but in ‘bike racks’ mode for trading him.

    Put it this way – Crosby and Malkin have one Stanley Cup together.Doughty has two and he’s 25 years old.

    I trade McDavid for Doughty because the Oilers fleet forwards with Doughty as #1D are a better and more dangerous team in the long run than the Oilers plus McDavid and whatever D corpse MacT can put together.

    Shero’s love of Fleury cost PIT minimum 1 and probably 3 Cups.

    Not a good reason to trade McDavid.

    You don’t trade him.

  93. Woodguy says:

    speeds: For the sake of argument, is there a D in the league worth McDavid?

    No.

  94. Магия 10 says:

    G Money: It would/should not be a surprise if McDavid is the scoring leader next year for whichever team gets him.

    Imagine the burnanation if the winning loser moves him to a winning team that ‘features’ him to a Ross.

  95. Woodguy says:

    G Money:
    Woodguy,

    Heh heh.We are apparently in full agreement on McDavid’s first year, but in ‘bike racks’ mode for trading him.

    Put it this way – Crosby and Malkin have one Stanley Cup together.Doughty has two and he’s 25 years old.

    I trade McDavid for Doughty because the Oilers fleet forwards with Doughty as #1D are a better and more dangerous team in the long run than the Oilers plus McDavid and whatever D corpse MacT can put together.

    I trade McJesus for Doughty, Karlsson, and Hedman.

    All of them.

    3 for 1.

    Plus they all have to be on 8 year $5MM/yr contracts.

    Plus a 2nd.

  96. Магия 10 says:

    Dashingsilverfox: No idea…but I would wager he’ll be the new GM/Coach in Toronto.

    With Shanahan/Hunter/Dubas already in place, it would be a perfect set up.

    I’d guess he might be more interested in a GM position with full whip. But you can see why Shanaban would pay big cash to lure Babcock in as GM-in-training/coach.

  97. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Магия 10: I’d guess he might be more interested in a GM position with full whip. But you can see why Shanaban pay big cash for that.

    Toronto has also received permission from the Coyotes to speak with Sean Burke.

    I would imagine he might also get a management role in Toronto.

  98. Bad Seed says:

    After the Oil win the lottery and draft McDavid, it’ll be pretty funny reading DSF claiming Bennett the superior player all year long.

  99. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Bad Seed:
    After the Oil win the lottery and draft McDavid, it’ll be pretty funny reading DSF claiming Bennett the superior player all year long.

    Toronto is going to win the draft lottery.

  100. Магия 10 says:

    Bad Seed:
    After the Oil win the lottery and draft McDavid, it’ll be pretty funny reading DSF claiming Bennett the superior player all year long.

    Why not? They’re in the same Calder class.

  101. godot10 says:

    Bad Seed:
    After the Oil win the lottery and draft McDavid, it’ll be pretty funny reading DSF claiming Bennett the superior player all year long.

    I think Bennett is probably better than Strome, Marner, and Draisaitl. He got all his points last year playing a reckless style with a bum shoulder, being one of the youngest players. He’s behind McDavid and Eichel, but who isn’t.

    McDavid, Eichel

    Then

    Bennett, Ekblad, Hanifin

    Then

    Everybody else…Marner, Strome, Draisaitl, Provorov, Reinhart

  102. Магия 10 says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Toronto is going to win the draft lottery.

    Right. That would be handy. As players are only good if the management is a good vintage.

  103. Магия 10 says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Toronto has also received permission from the Coyotes to speak with Sean Burke.

    I would imagine he might also get a management role in Toronto.

    If your imagination is sufficiently vivid a Toronto media role awaits.

  104. VOR says:

    I assume you all know the most help you can expect from one draft, at least the most help you can expect immediately? 3 players who will play important roles this fall. That is the best any team has ever done, three players that were truly NHL ready. In one remarkable draft two teams pulled it off in the same year.

    The irony is that going into the draft experts thought it was going to be a terrible draft. Partly based on that these two teams chose bizarre strategies for maximizing their chances. Team 1 let’s call them Team By the Book decided to take whoever Central Scouting had ranked higher unless they could come up with a compelling argument otherwise. Team 2 I have chosen to call Team WTF. They decided to let their scouts go with their gut intuition. This is one of the few times we know of where individual scouting was ever deployed head to head with some form of consensus scouting. If it hadn’t been for this weird little codicil Team By The Book would have won the draft hands down. Picking fourth OV they drafted one of the greatest players in the history of hockey. With their second draft of the 2nd round they picked a very good player who would step in and play that fall and provide secondary scoring when paired with the kid they took with their 2 nod round pick. Getting three instant NHLers turned Team By the Book around. They experienced one of the biggest turnarounds in NHL history. They also drafted a future NHL superstar and two more useful pieces. It is actually one of the top five individual drafts of history. So how on Earth could they not have won the draft?

    Because Team WTF, with the 6th OV chose to take the player ranked 22nd OV and in the fourth round opted for a checking forward despite correctly suspecting they were leaving a Hall of Fame talent on the board and then in the seventh round picked a smurf with terrible boxcars.

    So in 1980 the Los Angeles Kings drafted Larry Murphy, Jimmy Fox, and Greg Therrion who played that fall. The Edmonton Oilers drafted Paul Coffey, jari Kurri and Andy Moog all of whom played the next season.

    Needless to say if the Oilers draft 3 players as good as LAs picks we are having a very different conversation this fall. If they draft 3 players as good as Coffey, Kurri, and Moog we are entering a new world.

    1980 is now known as one of the greatest draft classes in history. We need to pray 2015 is as good.

  105. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Магия 10: If your imagination is sufficiently vivid a Toronto media role awaits.

    Been there…done that.

  106. Yeti says:

    Woodguy: I trade McJesus for Doughty, Karlsson, and Hedman.

    All of them.

    3 for 1.

    Plus they all have to be on 8 year $5MM/yr contracts.

    Plus a 2nd.

    That would require Kale Kessey going back the other way to even things out.

  107. j says:

    Woodguy,

    Would you have traded Gretz for Pronger, Lidstrom, Bourque, Coffey…? Not as clear cut as I though as Gretz was traded (sold) for considerably less.

    However, I don’t see that type of defenseman in the league right now. Doughey isn’t in this class IMO.

    Keep McDavid for his entry level, sign an extension, and then look at the marketplace. Maybe straight up for Hanafin at that point 🙂

  108. Магия 10 says:

    If it gets any worse next year LT, could you switch your alter ego over to one from the continuum where Jon Cooper was hired instead of Ralph, and Cooper and Mac-T are both moving up with the departure of Lowe? Cooper’s going to be this gen’s W.S. Bowman some day.

  109. Woodguy says:

    Yeti: That would require Kale Kessey going back the other way to even things out.

    That might break the whole thing down.

  110. Магия 10 says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Been there…done that.

    Then trolling is 2nd nature. Nothing like trolling the rest of the country for cash.

  111. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Магия 10: Then trolling is 2nd nature. Nothing like trolling the rest of the country for cash.

    Beats working.

  112. Woodguy says:

    Because Team WTF, with the 6th OV chose to take the player ranked 22nd OV and in the fourth round opted for a checking forward despite correctly suspecting they were leaving a Hall of Fame talent on the board and then in the seventh round picked a smurf with terrible boxcars.

    Kurri wasn’t regarded as a checking forward.

    He was very highly regarded for what he was, but no one took him in the first 3 rounds because everyone was working off the information that he was going to spend the next 2 years in Finland to fulfill his military obligation.

    Sather knew otherwise but only dared let it go until the 4th.

    Imagine if Sather pulls the Kurri move in the 3rd instead of taking Shawn Babcock and took Bernie in the 4th?

  113. Pouzar says:

    I can’t think of anything more terrifying than this regime’s pro scouting dept. consulting on any trade of Connor McDavid.

  114. Yeti says:

    Pouzar: I can’t think of anything more terrifying than this regime’s pro scouting dept. consulting on any trade of Connor McDavid.

    Oh, ye of little faith!

  115. zatch says:

    Guys, I’m starting to fantasize about a Drai-McDavid/Strome-Yak sheltered 3rd line…someone pop my bubble. Drai likely wouldn’t work on the left, right?

  116. RexLibris says:

    zatch:
    Guys, I’m starting to fantasize about a Drai-McDavid/Strome-Yak sheltered 3rd line…someone pop my bubble. Drai likely wouldn’t work on the left, right?

    That’s nothing.

    I’m stuck daydreaming of drafting McDavid and then trading up for Kylington leaving us with Nugent-Hopkins, McDavid, Draisaitl, Lander, Yakimov down the middle and Klefbom, Nurse, Marincin, Kylington on D.

    I’ll happily stay there until reality sets in tomorrow evening around 7pm.

  117. RexLibris says:

    GXL:
    Ray Ferraro’s comment on Jeff Petry @ 11:30 to 13:00 http://www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/ferraro-targeting-of-players-increases-in-playoffs-1.258921. ouch

    GXL

    In the red corner we have Ray “The Razor” Ferraro with his coach Kelly “Rude Man” Hrudey. And in the blue corner we have Craig “The Bold” MacTavish with his coach Kevin “Lumber” Lowe!

    A barn fight worth watching.

  118. Jordan says:

    Woodguy: 40 points??

    Crosby scored 102 in his first year and McDavid is tracking ahead of Crosby.

    Hall got 42 pts his first year and Hall isn’t in McDavid’s zip code at all.

    Also,

    Gmoney and others who trade McDavid.

    You are all on glue.

    This isn’t another RNH, Hall, etc.

    This guy will be the best player in the game when he hits 21 or so and will be for 10 years barring injury.

    He really is McJesus.

    No one trades the McJesus.

    I’m pretty sure Judas trades McJesus for money.

    Peter drafts McJesus, but then treats him like McT treats Marincin, then trades him for nothing, and weeps bitterly..

    Pilate would only trade McJesus if there was a huge public outcry, and it brought back someone who was a better player now.

    Herod keeps McJesus through his ELC & 6 years of his 8-year deal, then pads his stats trades him for a kings ransom to a team that needs a star player, and earns Bettman’s favour in the process.

    So.. I think there are probably people who would trade him, but maybe not necessarily immediately.

  119. wheatnoil says:

    Only Oiler fans can debate trading someone who’s not even on the team… or debate trading someone because he’s being replaced by someone who’s not yet on the team. 🙂

    (For the record… don’t trade McDavid… or McJesus.)

  120. LadiesloveSmid says:

    RexLibris: That’s nothing.

    I’m stuck daydreaming of drafting McDavid and then trading up for Kylington leaving us with Nugent-Hopkins, McDavid, Draisaitl, Lander, Yakimov down the middle and Klefbom, Nurse, Marincin, Kylington on D.

    I’ll happily stay there until reality sets in tomorrow evening around 7pm.

    you’re gonna get me fantasizing and disappointing me when we take Crouse and Hesketh

  121. wheatnoil says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Hesketh

    Even the Oilers wouldn’t draft someone who isn’t eligible to be drafted…

    … other than the time they did that… but they wouldn’t do it twice!

  122. Marc says:

    zatch:
    Guys, I’m starting to fantasize about a Drai-McDavid/Strome-Yak sheltered 3rd line…someone pop my bubble. Drai likely wouldn’t work on the left, right?

    At no point this season did I ever really feel like we’d get McEichel. I always thought we’d end up picking third or fourth. We’ll get a good player there, so I’m happy.

    That said, for sheer entertainment value, it would be amazing if the Oilers won the lottery. All the talking heads that have been calling RNH a third line center or saying the Hall has an attitude problem would go into meltdown. It would be a joy to watch.

    And they’d change the lottery rules in such a way that would effectively prevent the Leafs or Flames or Canucks from ever amassing a collections of high lottery picks in the future.

  123. LMHF#1 says:

    speeds: For the sake of argument, is there a D in the league worth McDavid?

    On his own? No.

    If LA offered Doughty, Kopitar, Jones and one of their young scorers? Or more?

    You can’t just “No” that and have any legs to stand on.

  124. bendelson says:

    Back to Purcell for just a moment…

    “He is the softest player in the league!” says a ridiculous Gregor with absolute confidence.

    When that man comes flying through the door, Teddy doesn’t stand a chance!

  125. Marc says:

    Bob Stauffer ‏@Bob_Stauffer 2m2 minutes ago

    …I would not be surprised if the Oilers signed Slepyshev to an ELC some time this spring

    Bob Stauffer ‏@Bob_Stauffer 3m3 minutes ago

    Contrary to some reports earlier this week, I am told Oilers prospect Anton Slepyshev has NOT signed new deal in KHL…

    Woot!

  126. russ99 says:

    I’m not a big fan, though I appreciate that Purcell tried to make the best of a bad situation, i.e. being sent here in a cap dump trade where the guy going the other way was released.

    IMO, we need veteran 2-way wingers on the third line with Gordon or Lander that can handle the toughs in the D-zone, chip in on offense as much or preferably more than Purcell did, and mentor the kids on playing the right way to win.

    Purcell on the third line with Lander and the best of our weak AHL forwards is a recipe for another 26-28th place finish.

    The real problem here isn’t Purcell the player as much as Purcell’s cap room, which could potentially be used to bring in said 2 veteran wingers.

  127. Heinz 57 says:

    Whenever I get five minutes to poke my nose into the playoff results, I’m sure as hell not going to visit some useless, frou-frou social-media enabled (aka groupthink enhanced) sports emporium and website.

    No! Death to the NHL!

    Instead—gentlemen and womenfolk get your bookmarks ready—I’m going here:

    http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2015/04/13/le-tableau-des-series-2015

    Long live the LNH! Long live data visualization that doesn’t suck slider bar shitloaf! Pardon my French.

    Long ago when I lived in Montreal for a couple of years, I believe I was told that the Journal had this spread protected under some form of trademark, copyright or, god forbid—how I wish this was funny—patent law.

    Probably whatever form of protection they once enjoyed lapsed long ago and it’s now protected by a new and improved protection model: the complete lack of useless bling.

  128. Woodguy says:

    wheatnoil:
    Only Oiler fans can debate trading someone who’s not even on the team… or debate trading someone because he’s being replaced by someone who’s not yet on the team.

    (For the record… don’t trade McDavid… or McJesus.)

    We really need the team to improve.

    Man.

  129. Woodguy says:

    russ99,

    Purcell on the third line with Lander and the best of our weak AHL forwards is a recipe for another 26-28th place finish.

    Orly?

    If I made a list of 10 things that would keep the Oilers in the mid-20’s a 3rd line of Parkanin-Lander-Pucell would be 17th

    1 – 1LD
    2 – 1RD
    3 – 2LD
    4 – 2C
    5 – 1G
    6 – 2G
    7 – Head Coach
    8 – Power Play Coach
    10 – Injuries

  130. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy:
    russ99,

    Purcell on the third line with Lander and the best of our weak AHL forwards is a recipe for another 26-28th place finish.

    Orly?

    If I made a list of 10 things that would keep the Oilers in the mid-20’s a 3rd line of Parkanin-Lander-Pucell would be 17th

    1 – 1LD
    2 – 1RD
    3 – 2LD
    4 – 2C
    5 – 1G
    6 – 2G
    7 – Head Coach
    8 – Power Play Coach
    10 – Injuries

    Question: is no. 11 “grit” or “character”?

  131. G Money says:

    Woodguy,

    And what’s #9, you sneaky son of a gun?

  132. stush18 says:

    Woodguy:
    russ99,

    Purcell on the third line with Lander and the best of our weak AHL forwards is a recipe for another 26-28th place finish.

    Orly?

    If I made a list of 10 things that would keep the Oilers in the mid-20’s a 3rd line of Parkanin-Lander-Pucell would be 17th

    1 – 1LD
    2 – 1RD
    3 – 2LD
    4 – 2C
    5 – 1G
    6 – 2G
    7 – Head Coach
    8 – Power Play Coach
    10 – Injuries

    Technically youve made a list of things the oilers need to get out of the bottom of the league.

  133. G Money says:

    Woodguy: I trade McJesus for Doughty, Karlsson, and Hedman.
    All of them.

    You crazy, man. YOU CRAZY!!

  134. G Money says:

    stush18: Technically youve made a list of things the oilers have failed at and therefore stayed at the bottom of the league.

    ftfy

  135. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Woodguy:
    russ99,

    Purcell on the third line with Lander and the best of our weak AHL forwards is a recipe for another 26-28th place finish.

    Orly?

    If I made a list of 10 things that would keep the Oilers in the mid-20’s a 3rd line of Parkanin-Lander-Pucell would be 17th

    1 – 1LD
    2 – 1RD
    3 – 2LD
    4 – 2C
    5 – 1G
    6 – 2G
    7 – Head Coach
    8 – Power Play Coach
    10 – Injuries

    really? I think 1LD 1RD are most important longterm, but to get them out of the gutter now they need >.890 goaltending

  136. Lowetide says:

    G Money:
    Woodguy,

    And what’s #9, you sneaky son of a gun?

    lord’s a leaping?

  137. G Money says:

    LadiesloveSmid,

    I am just putting the finishing touches on a quantitative assessment of goaltenders using the H/M/L shot categories.

    It doesn’t seem to matter how much we want to try and point the finger away from Bic Frivens and at the defense, the coaching, etc. … those guys were no-excuses fucking awful this year.

  138. theres oil in virginia says:

    G Money:
    LadiesloveSmid,

    I am just putting the finishing touches on a quantitative assessment of goaltenders using the H/M/L shot categories.

    It doesn’t seem to matter how much we want to try and point the finger away from Bic Frivens and at the defense, the coaching, etc. … those guys were no-excuses fucking awful this year.

    Yes, but isn’t that really the point? If you had to repeatedly endure being screamed at by insane women, whacked on the head with bamboo sticks, whipped with rubber hoses, and shot at repeatedly with BB guns, how well would you perform at your job? ‘Cause that’s about what it’s like playing goal for Edmonton. Even early in the year when the corgis were barking. Imagine this: you’re walking peacefully in the park, taking in all the sights and sounds, and then suddenly a ninja jumps out from behind the bushes and kicks you in the nuts and then runs away celebrating. That’s what it was like being an Oilers goalie during a power play in the early part of the season. Ask Fasth. Get the picture? What happens when a goalie loses confidence? Ferraro talked about that a bit in the clip someone linked above.

  139. G Money says:

    theres oil in virginia,

    The thing is, that’s the story we use to make excuses for the Oiler goalies. “Migod, they must have been distracted by the tire fire!”.

    But if we do that, we’re conveniently letting them off the hook for the fact that

    a. there are a myriad of other tire fires out there – and it doesn’t look like it’s cratered those other goalies to nearly the same extent, and

    b. many of the goals they let in are of the easy variety, not the tough variety.

    That last point in particular is what the H/M/L distinction is going to help clarify. If it’s the tire fire of a defense, then you’d presumably expect that the Oiler goalies would do a decent job on the easy shots but would get lit up like a Xmas tree on the hard shots.

    If that’s what we actually saw, I’d let them off the hook.

    But as Frjohnk showed yesterday, the Oiler goalies as a tandem are actually worst in the league at the easy shots. And they’re not actually that bad at stopping really the dangerous shots, especially Fasth. So letting them off the hook “because tire fire” is not supported by the data (at least, the data we have).

    Conversely, if your impression is that the Oiler goalies let in a bunch of easily stoppable goals that any NHL goalie should have stopped … your impression is correct.

    Bottom line is that it’s not that the Oiler goalies are having a stroll in the park and a ninja jumps out at them. It’s that they think they’re having a stroll in the park, forget that they’re playing goal, and they let in a shot from the blueline.

    (I do however accept your kicked inna nuts analogy for the powerplay early in the year. But most analyses stick mostly to EV sv%, as have I)

  140. Woodguy says:

    LadiesloveSmid: really? I think 1LD 1RD are most important longterm, but to get them out of the gutter now they need >.890 goaltending

    I think they almost can’t make a mistake in terms of actual upgrade in getting a new goalie because the current ones are so awful.

    They could make lots of mistake in $ and term, but that’s not the topic.

    They can make lots of mistakes on D and think their one big signing is great when it’s a pile of shite.

  141. Woodguy says:

    G Money:
    Woodguy,

    And what’s #9, you sneaky son of a gun?

    Damn.

  142. Woodguy says:

    stush18: Technically youve made a list of things the oilers need to get out of the bottom of the league.

    Yes.

  143. theres oil in virginia says:

    G Money,

    You really need to find a way to work getting kicked in the nuts by a ninja into your analysis.

    I accept that the goalies were not good, but I don’t accept that they alone are responsible for the deep dark depths of those save percentages. Also, I agree that other goalies seem to do well statistically behind awful defenses.

    I like what FrJohnK is doing, my only quibble is that shot location != shot quality. I’ve seen long goals against the Oilers this year where there’s no doubt the puck was tipped right off the blade and fluttered in and looks like a soft goal. Many times this year. I don’t agree with ?Woodguy? that these happen to all teams at the same rate (defensive breakdowns, that is).

    None of my “objections” are intended to attempt to nullify any of the work that you guys are doing. I enjoy it much and I think there’s value in it. I am suggesting to just keep in mind that separating goaltending from defense is not so easy, and I don’t think it’s yet been done, and it may be impossible. I’m also trying hard not to say too much, because I haven’t got time now to dig into things like you cats are doing.

    The overall point I’m making is that when you don’t trust your defense, you tend to cheat in order to cover for the inevitable breakdown, and then you become the breakdown. His wandering early in the season was possibly evidence of this. He seemingly never made the simple play…not once. Why not? When you don’t trust your guys to make good plays with the puck, you start trying to make things happen yourself. Which he did. Bad things. I was hoping Scrivens would overcome this, because he seems to have such a good rapport with the guys, even after they fuck up royally.

  144. russ99 says:

    LadiesloveSmid: really? I think 1LD 1RD are most important longterm, but to get them out of the gutter now they need >.890 goaltending

    Obviously the quality of goaltending and top defensive pair will go a long way in determining next year’s record, but it’s past time for MacT to stop fooling around and dump the three scoring line ideal that has no basis in reality for playoff teams.

    So yes, while our third line won’t be the determining factor as to next season’s success or failure, the lack of secodndary offense and reliable own zone start coverage teams also is a big concern.

    It’s almost as if MacT thinks the kids can make up the deficit by themselves, and as long as Hendricks – Gordon and Klinkhammer can hold down the nasty zone stars he can fiddle around with the middle six with no real expectation of NHL average production or own zone protection.

    Look at the playoff teams’ middle six especially in the west. Even if Yak takes off, Lander has another leap in scoring, and Roy/Purcell do better, we’re vastly deficient.

    I want the Oilers in the playoffs, I just wish the people running the club had the same urgency…

  145. Dark Asia says:

    Speaking of goaltending – good article on Dubnyk that shed a bit of light on his last season with the Oilers:

    http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_27918554/wilds-turnaround-was-impressive-devan-dubnyk-has-been

  146. Bruce McCurdy says:

    russ99: Obviously the quality of goaltending and top defensive pair will go a long way in determining next year’s record, but it’s past time for MacT to stop fooling around and dump the three scoring line ideal that has no basis in reality for playoff teams.

    You mean like that third line of Pouliot-Brassard-Zuccarello that helped NYR make the Finals last season? If only those bastards could score Rangers might have won the Cup!

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