CHIARELLI IN CHARGE

I don’t recall a week like this one. Ever. Being an Oilers fan is kind of like the sitcom Seinfeld: For each action, there’s an equal and opposite reaction. So, if the Oilers win Connor McDavid, a trap door instantly opens and flings Taylor Hall into outer space. Peter Chiarelli accepts the GM job, we step into an elevator shaft and fall 60 stories. This is us. Find $20 on the ground? Be certain the roof is leaking at home. We’re used to it, that’s why beer comes out of trees in our part of the world.

Today was a giddy day, although not without upset or sadness. It’s hard to take it all in, so let’s begin with a few quotes and discuss them before the elevator arrives on the 60th floor. All quotes from Bruce McCurdy, who is a good and decent man so you need to click here.

  • Chiarelli: “I’ve seen the progression here in past years, in talking to MacT they’ve been trying to get bigger and heavier, and that’s certainly an area I want to improve.”

I’m all for a big, heavy team but let’s make sure they can skate and play hockey. Chiarelli was heading in that direction with the Bruins (even a few years ago his 4line was a bit of an Coke machine trio) before they let him go. I think we should assume he’s talking more Justin Williams than Colton Orr and am completely fine with it. Benoit Pouliot is a perfect example of the ideal in my opinion.

  • Chiarelli: “There are teams that aren’t necessarily hard and heavy but they strip pucks. They’re hard on battles, they win more than their share of battles … they [can be] heavy but they’re not huge. A lot of that has to do with the coach, the philosophy of the organization, that’s part of what I hope to instill.”

Mike Babcock, come on down! Seriously, that sounds more like the Detroit Red Wings than the Boston Bruins and I’m very okay with it. I’m not one to even dream of getting Babcock, but this description fits the bill. Todd McLellan, Todd Nelson, Claude Julien, others? That’s a nice list, feel a little sorry for Nelson in this scenario but it appears the Oilers are moving into a new neighborhood.

  • Chiarelli: “Here it’s about the next stage of their development, there are some young kids that need to be put in their proper places, either here or in other leagues.”

Music! THIS is a big deal. The Oilers made a lot of mistakes with this roster, but the biggest one (imo) came from using people who weren’t ready in feature roles, thus making the entire team weaker. Justin Schultz is the most obvious example but there are many going back forever (Laddy Smid in his early seasons being another one). Lots of players who weren’t ready. Lots.

  • Chiarelli: “In Boston we had to add a lot of pieces, I don’t think that’s the case here.”

Also good news. If you’re looking at this reasonably, center (Nuge, McDavid, Leon) is solved by year three, probably earlier. You have Hall, Eberle, Pouliot, Yakupov as wingers and even if you deal off one of them it’s likely an easier fix than trying to get another center. The 4line is fine, which brings us to defense and then goalie. Lots of work there.

  • Chiarelli: “In this business you can’t be afraid to make trades, the way that the parity is developing ,the way that the cap is closing in, the margins are really small. Those are ways to improve your team. I’m not afraid of doing it, but it has to be at the right moment.”

I like this quote. If we wake up one morning this summer and a deal has been made involving a member of the young cluster, it behooves one to look deeper at the reason behind the move and to see if full value has been returned. Cam Talbot has value, Brent Seabrook has value and maybe they’re available. If the Oilers go the free agent route, Antti Niemi, Andrej Sekera and Carl Soderberg should be attractive to Chiarelli.

It begins.

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  1. Woodguy says:

    leadfarmer:
    Woodguy,

    Any stat showing that Ryan Ellis is superior to Doughty, Pietrangelo, and Ekblad is a very valuable stat.

    Oh yeah and Ellis is 5’10.

    Where did I say Ellis was better than those guys?

    I showed a stat that is very predictive of productivity in the NHL, and because you can’t see past height you probably haven’t seen that Ellis might have been NAS’ best RHD this year.

    5 years past his draft year.

    I think he’s this generation’s Brian Campbell.

    Oh, and 5’10” Ellis did it in the biggest, toughest division in the NHL.

  2. Lowetide says:

    MArco Roy is up to 12GP, 3-8-11 in the playoffs. Nice little run there.

  3. Woodguy says:

    leadfarmer:
    Woodguy,

    If Nashville offers Seth jones for Draisatl you do that trade yesterday.In one or two years you won’t be able to trade for him.He is going to a really good one soon and in a position we desperately need.

    Show me proof.

    Draft location isn’t proof of anything.

  4. Bling says:

    We’re all clamouring for a #1D, and hey, if that’s available, let’s go get it.

    BUT this team’s D might get a whole lot better collectively by adding 4 guys who are solid two-way players, and subtracting the guys who are real minuses (Nikitin, Ference, and Aulie).

    I think Klef makes one and I like Marincin with Schultz on the bottom pairing, with the latter finally getting the Yandle treatment. Fayne as the #7.

    Nurse is good enough to be a #4 D out of the box, IMO.

    That leaves two D. They don’t need to be stars and we don’t need a PP witch from back there; what is needed are a couple guys who can really break the cycle and make good outlet passes.

  5. DocFan says:

    I think this may be paranoia from being an oilers fan for too long BUT…

    I just listened to the Presser and I’m a little nervous.
    Was it just me, or was Chiarelli (Charles? Charlie?) nervous sounding in his answers? I didn’t get the feeling he had specific ideas or plans in his head. Granted he was just hired, but his answers about not being scared to trade away young players has me a bit worried.

    Then hearing Nicholson talk. Somehow Lowe still maintains a title in this organization. I know it’s title only, but does anyone else get the feeling that MacT was thrown under the bus during the forensic audit? I’ll explain my thoughts:

    There is a quote out there from MacT that the relationship between him and Lowe was always a difficult one and was in the past when Lowe was GM and he was Coach. Some of these decision that MacT has made that we criticize, how many were influenced by Lowe? NN? Ference? Etc Etc.

    I still think MacT is a very intelligent man. Inexperienced yes, but intelligent. I get the feeling that his hands have been tied a bit in the situation he was in.

    Now Nicholson comes in, asks Lowe (who is a buddy as he describes it), so where is it going wrong…what’s Lowe’s response going to be?? Some how through all of this Lowe maintains some position, and MacT is demoted / released? Something is fishy.

    Maybe it’s just me, but until this team starts winning actual games, I will always be skeptical of “good times ahead” signs from this organization.

  6. Woodguy says:

    MrEd:
    Woodguy,

    What?? Mr. LaForge seems to me to be someone who has been a real treasure to our city.
    I admit that i have had no contact with him personally, but as a life long citizen, the man seemed to beforthright and honest in his dealings.i think he likes Edmonton.

    He likes Edmonton so much he threatened to move the team to a “better hockey market” after we filled the arena for 7 playoff-less years at the 6th highest ticket price in the NHL in order to arm twist the CoE into doing the heavy lifting and acting as the nicest bank in the history of banks for the benefit of a private company.

    Better hockey market???

    If there were a better hockey market 21 NHL would be trying like hell to get there.

    Fuck him for doing that.

    Asshole.

  7. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Woodguy: Ok, Ignore all the evidence.

    You usually do.

    Then you push the goal posts.

    Then you mention some arcane player who over achieved one year and present that number like he puts it up like clock work.

    Rinse

    Repeat.

    You’re DSF.

    Its what you do.

    Spare me the personal attacks.

    There is a very long list of forwards who have not only accomplished what Hall has done but then went on to sustain it while Hall’s production has been dropping like a stone.

    Hall fell into a perfect situation and was gifted 1st line minutes and PP time right from the get go.

    Since his early spurt, players from his draft year have started to pass him like a house by the side of the road.

    He’s already 3rd in his draft class for goals scored and Tarasenko might pass him by next Thursday. (that’s hyperbole).

    He’s a good player but he is not the kind of player who you fall in love with.

    And remember, a very wise hockey man said the worst thing you can do is fall in love with your players.

  8. Pouzar says:

    leadfarmer:
    Pouzar,

    When you have Shea Weber, and Roman Josi everyone else is somewhat sheltered.

    There is nothing to disagree with here. Look at the usage charts. Jones is on a sheltered Island all by himself. Just stating fact.

  9. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy,

    What makes you think he is better that Weber? Weber who hangs out in the top left corner of the Sledgehammer while Ellis has a small blue bubble in the far top right corner. Peter Laviolette would disagree with you since he plays Weber 7 min more per game than Ellis.

  10. Woodguy says:

    stush18,

    He also played on a stacked winterhawks team (which would explain his ipp)

    This year’s Wheaties put up 338 goals in 72 games.

    Jones’ Hawks put up 333 in 72 games.

    Provorov’s IPP is 21.7%

    I think Jones is going to be a fine NHL Dman, a very good #2, but he’s not someone to blow your brains out over.

  11. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy,

    Same back at you.

    They are both young players and both have a bright future ahead of them. Nashville is in need of a good center while Oilers are in need of a good Dman. I think each of them will develop into said item.

  12. SkatinginSand says:

    Pouzar,

    Have you actually watched any of Nashville’s playoff games? He is not being sheltered.

  13. flyfish1168 says:

    Dubnyk is having a hell of a game.

  14. Магия 10 says:

    Dashingsilverfox: Since his early spurt, players from his draft year have started to pass him like a house by the side of the road.

    Hi, DSF

  15. Pouzar says:

    leadfarmer:
    Woodguy,

    What makes you think he is better that Weber? Weber who hangs out in the top left corner of the Sledgehammer while Ellis has a small blue bubble in the far top right corner.Peter Laviolette would disagree with you since he plays Weber 7 min more per game than Ellis.

    And who’s that in the sheltered quadrant?

  16. Woodguy says:

    leadfarmer:
    Woodguy,

    What makes you think he is better that Weber? Weber who hangs out in the top left corner of the Sledgehammer while Ellis has a small blue bubble in the far top right corner.Peter Laviolette would disagree with you since he plays Weber 7 min more per game than Ellis.

    Here’s NSH Vollman chart for their D: http://somekindofninja.com/nhl/usage.php?f1=2014_s&f2=5v5&f3=&f5=NSH&f4=D&f7=20-&bubbleType=corsiRel&yAxis=qoc&update-filters=Update+Results

    Ellis gets a massive advantage in zone starts, but the QC is similar/identical to Weber’s.

    As it turns out, most of ozone disparity due to the dzone starts taken with Gaustad’s line.

    Weber TOI w/ Gaustad 348 min, 12.7%OZS
    Ellis takes his turn at those starts, but not as many minutes: 99:52 min, 8.2% OZS
    So Ellis doesn’t play as much with Gaustad, but gets the brutal starts with him too (even worse)

    One way to tease out some of the difference of the difference in impact between Weber and Ellis is to look at the with each of the 4 main NAS C’s in terms of CF% WOWY and OZS%.

    Ribero:
    With Weber 411 min – 56.5% CF – 65.5% OZS – CF% w/o Weber 56.8%
    With Ellis 288 min – 60.5%CF – 70.2% OZS – CF% w/o Ellis 55.6%

    Gaustad:
    With Weber 348 min – 40.2%CF – 12.7%OZS – CF% w/o Weber 44.6%
    With Ellis 99min – 48.0%CF – 8.2% OZS – CF% w/o Ellis 41.1%

    Fisher
    With Weber 310min – 50.3% CF – 50.4% OZS – CF% w/o Weber 49.7%
    With Ellis 136min – 52.2% CF – 43.9% OZS – CF% w/o Ellis 51.8%

    Jarnkrok
    With Weber 250 min – 48.3% CF – 55.6% OZS – CF% w/o Weber 57.5%
    With Ellis 178 min – 54.2% CF – 53.9% OZS – CF% w/o Ellis 54.3%

    All 4 of NSH’s C’s do better with Ellis than with Weber.

    That includes Gaustad and his awful starts. He’s actually much better with Ellis with the same awful ZS, its just that Weber gets more of them.

    Fisher does better with Ellis even though they start in the OZ 6% more with Weber than Ellis.

    I don’t know if we can contribute all the results on just Weber or Ellis, their partners (Josi and Ekholm respectively) are on the ice too.

    What this does show me is that Ellis/Ekholm get better possession results in the same or tougher spots than Weber/Josi with the same team mates.

    In some spots significantly better.

  17. Woodguy says:

    leadfarmer:
    Woodguy,

    What makes you think he is better that Weber? Weber who hangs out in the top left corner of the Sledgehammer while Ellis has a small blue bubble in the far top right corner.Peter Laviolette would disagree with you since he plays Weber 7 min more per game than Ellis.

    Also,

    Weber is a big red bubble, Ellis’ blue bubble is almost as big.

  18. Pouzar says:

    SkatinginSand:
    Pouzar,

    Have you actuallywatched any of Nashville’s playoff games? He is notbeing sheltered.

    Sweet Jezzuz.
    LOOK AT 2014-2015 Regular season!

  19. Bling says:

    DSF:

    If you are implying that Jeff Skinner is a better player than Taylor Hall because he’s scored 9 more goals in 37 more games, I don’t know what to say.

    Seguin is a hell of a talent, but let’s remember he had a pretty good sidekick in Jamie Benn.

    Let’s see what Hall does next year with McDavid.

  20. wheatnoil says:

    Sounds like MacT has been spotted with Lowe, Nicholson and Chia at the Kelowna game… maybe MacT is going to land on his feet in the organization? Scout? AGM? Or maybe just a transition plan.

    https://twitter.com/andylevang/status/591795610212179968

  21. Lois Lowe says:

    All of this positive Oiler news is just bizarre. When they finish 28th next year, again, I’m going to be crushed.

  22. Bling says:

    I do think that if a member of the young core gets moved, it will be Hall, simply because of injury risk.

    You know, another guy who used to take a beating like him? One of our own, Ales Hemsky.

    Hall is a better player than Hemmer, but guys like these — and you can add Nathan Horton and Ryan Smyth to this list — they take an impossible amount of punishment, and they tend to fade while the Datsyuks, Zetterbergs, and Sedins of the world keep plugging away.

    Another consideration is that we know what Taylor Hall without his game breaking speed looks like. He isn’t a Jagr type talent who will age well, IMO. He really relies on his speed, and if that goes he becomes a lesser threat.

    I love Taylor Hall as a player, but if OEL is available, you pull the trigger IMO.

    But he won’t be 🙂

  23. Woodguy says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    There is a very long list of forwards who have not only accomplished what Hall has done but then went on to sustain it while Hall’s production has been dropping like a stone.

    Name all the players who did what he did at 21 and 22.

    Hall fell into a perfect situation and was gifted 1st line minutes and PP time right from the get go.

    Yes, oh so lucky to play with an 18 year old 170lb center eh who you routinely deride for not being big enough to compete in the Western Conference.

    ATTENTION DSF:

    SOMEONE IS POSTING UNDER YOUR NAME BUT HIS ARGUMENTS ARE EVEN TOO RIDICULOUS FOR YOU.

    YOU MAY WANT TO LOOK INTO THIS.

  24. Woodguy says:

    Bling:
    DSF:

    If you are implying that Jeff Skinner is a better player than Taylor Hall because he’s scored 9 more goals in 37 more games, I don’t know what to say.

    Seguin is a hell of a talent, but let’s remember he had a pretty good sidekick in Jamie Benn.

    Let’s see what Hall does next year with McDavid.

    DSF had about 123412235 posts in Hall’s rookie year about how Skinner was better.

    He moves targets and goal posts every time he’s proven wrong.

    Its what he does.

  25. Dashingsilverfox says:

    Bling:
    DSF:

    If you are implying that Jeff Skinner is a better player than Taylor Hall because he’s scored 9 more goals in 37 more games, I don’t know what to say.

    Seguin is a hell of a talent, but let’s remember he had a pretty good sidekick in Jamie Benn.

    Let’s see what Hall does next year with McDavid.

    Are your suggesting Nuge and Eberle are NOT pretty good sidekicks?

    Sure, I think Hall will do very well with McDavid IF he can stay healthy but remember the Oilers were the WORST defensive team in the league last season and I don’t think McDavid plays D or G.

  26. SkatinginSand says:

    Bling,

    Truly elite players also make their teammates better. In 2014-15 both Eberle’s and Nugent-Hopkins’ CF% were significantly better with Pouliot than with Hall.

  27. pocession charge says:

    I think any smaller player should model his game after Parise. He is so tenacious and not afraid to play in heavy traffic. Man he’s good.

  28. Lois Lowe says:

    Woodguy has been into the whiskey. It angers the blood.

  29. SkatinginSand says:

    Pouzar,

    Since Weber was injured, he is not being sheltered. Why is that invalid?

  30. RexLibris says:

    The Hitmen took a pounding tonight.

    9-4 Brandon.

    Even when the Flames aren’t playing the Hockey Gords are throwing some love our way.

  31. Woodguy says:

    This should be a great thread celebrating a great day and for the 216985 time I just sucked into DSF’s vortex of troll.

    Bah!

    I blame Laforge.

  32. RexLibris says:

    I think Hitchcock is going to be added to the list of ex-coaches this spring.

    Good thing Burke locked Hartley up for another four years.

  33. Woodguy says:

    Lois Lowe:
    Woodguy has been into the whiskey. It angers the blood.

    Truth.

  34. Ray says:

    leadfarmer:
    Ray,

    I think they need to win two rounds, and the last 4 teams remaining get the last four picks.I maybe wrong though.

    Sorry, you are right. It’s the Division leaders and conference finalists that get re-seeded for the first round.

    So Calgary would have to best Anaheim for our pick to move to 15th.

  35. SkatinginSand says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    I would have to actually see Hall with McDavid before endorsing that match. There is only one puck.

  36. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy,

    So change tack.

    Discuss Hamilton and whether he would move the dial enough on D this coming season to be worthy of an offer sheet and how much it would have to be.

  37. Pouzar says:

    SkatinginSand:
    Pouzar,

    Since Weber was injured, he is not being sheltered. Why is that invalid?

    I am offering up numbers for a much larger sample size (i.e. the entire 2014-15 season).
    Again, there is nothing to argue here. I am presenting the fact that Jones was sheltered big time and was a bottom pairing guy in NSH based on Usage and it’s not close.

  38. leadfarmer says:

    SkatinginSand,

    They are sheltering their 20 year old because they know how to develop a player. Most defensive prospects including the good ones are not even in the NHL yet. Unless you think his ceiling is that bottom right corner.

  39. striker says:

    Lois Lowe: All of this positive Oiler news is just bizarre. When they finish 28th next year, again, I’m going to be crushed.

    Don’t tempt the fates Lois. We just Orange-ed the hell out of the lottery, let’s revel in that for a bit and thank Stan Weir for his bounty.

  40. RexLibris says:

    SkatinginSand:
    Dashingsilverfox,

    I would have to actually see Hall with McDavidbefore endorsing that match. There is only onepuck.

    He’ll be fine.

    McDavid last night passed off to his winger and then made for the net where he put it behind the goalie.

    And not in a Smytty kind of garbage goal way.

    More like how Hemsky used to feather pass the puck past a sprawling goalie or how Yakupov shoots a one-timer so fast that the slow motion camera can’t pick it up.

    The only struggle will be for the 3rd wheel to either keep up or get the hell out of the way.

  41. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy,

    So once again, if he is better why is he getting 7 min of ice time less per game. I think Laviollete knows who his big guns are, weber and Josi, and runs with them.

  42. wheatnoil says:

    Woodguy:
    This should be a great thread celebrating a great day and for the 216985 time I just sucked into DSF’s vortex of troll.

    Bah!

    I blame Laforge.

    Here’s something to cheer your thoughts: McDavid has 30 points in 11 playoff games.

  43. striker says:

    Is it just me or has DSF been saying even more outrageous things than normal since the lottery win. It’s like the prospect of the Oilers getting a generational player is shorting out his logic algorithms…

  44. RexLibris says:

    Ray: Sorry, you are right. It’s the Division leaders and conference finalists that get re-seeded for the first round.

    So Calgary would have to best Anaheim for our pick to move to 15th.

    Probably a moot point. I think the Flames try to trade up and grab Provorov or Crouse.

  45. Pouzar says:

    leadfarmer:
    SkatinginSand,

    They are sheltering their 20 year old because they know how to develop a player.Most defensive prospects including the good ones are not even in the NHL yet.Unless you think his ceiling is that bottom right corner.

    I believe you meant “somewhat sheltering”.

  46. stush18 says:

    Pouzar: I am offering up numbers for a much larger sample size (i.e. the entire 2014-15 season).
    Again, there is nothing to argue here. I am presenting the fact that Jones was sheltered big time and was a bottom pairing guy in NSH based on Usage and it’s not close.

    Not to go all dsf on you right now, but technically leon was also extremely sheltered and put up less points than jones. Also i think it would be stupid for jones to be anything but sheltered on nashvilles defense. There is no reason to feed him to sharks when weber and ellis are ahead of him.

    Right now in the playoffs, they need him to play tougher min because of weber. So he is.

    But nashville is doing the smart thing bringing him along as slow as possible and letting him ease into the league while simultaneously lowering his contract value on his next contract.

  47. striker says:

    Ray: So Calgary would have to best Anaheim for our pick to move to 15th.

    16th it is then, huzzah

  48. leadfarmer says:

    Also Ryan Ellis spent last year, 3 years older than Jones, in the same quadrant Jones is now and having a very little blue bubble. There is something about developing players there and as they grow increase their difficulty level.

  49. striker says:

    RexLibris: Discuss Hamilton and whether he would move the dial enough on D this coming season to be worthy of an offer sheet and how much it would have to be.

    He would move the dial and is worth pursuing but seems like the Bruins would undoubtedly match even if it meant offloading some other players. At least that’s what they should do if any team throws a 6m offer sheet at Dougie. A little strange to be calling a grown man Dougie, no?

  50. SkatinginSand says:

    leadfarmer,

    I think this comment needs to be directed to Pouzar. He is the one who seems to think that a 20 yr. old on a team with Jossi and Weber should be getting elite opponents and 20% zone starts or he is a complete bust.

  51. Alpine says:

    Dashingsilverfox,

    Buffalo were probably the worst defensive team. Toronto were worse than the Oilers as well. Edmonton had the worst netminding but the defense controls how easy a night it it’ll be for their goaltending. Oilers were bad at that, but not the worst.

    Luckily for the Oilers, they are in fact allowed to acquire players who play those positions in the summer.

  52. stush18 says:

    This is why LT doesnt ban or get rid of dsf.

    Comment section is full.

    Im onto your schemes.

  53. marty62 says:

    stush18:
    This is why LT doesnt ban or get rid of dsf.

    Comment section is full.

    Im onto your schemes.

    Orrrrrrr.. is DSF really LT trolling his own site to bump the comments?????? Conspiracy theory # 1…..

  54. Pouzar says:

    SkatinginSand:
    leadfarmer,

    I think this comment needs to be directed to Pouzar. He is the one who seems to think that a20 yr. old on ateam with Jossi andWeber should be getting elite opponents and 20% zone starts or he is a complete bust.

    Really? Are you for real?

  55. SkatinginSand says:

    RexLibris,

    Is there a right hand shooting Benoit Pouliot out there?

  56. RexLibris says:

    Now who’s been hitting the whiskey?

  57. marty62 says:

    on a side note our old pal Dubnyk is about to win his 3rd playoff game against the blues 4 1……..

  58. RexLibris says:

    SkatinginSand:
    RexLibris,

    Is there a right hand shooting Benoit Pouliotout there?

    I don’t have anyone in mind, but the recent talk of Justin Williams is a good mention.

    I think he’d likely be out of the Oilers’ price range given the pressing needs at D and G.

    Personally, I’m not seeing the need for a veteran RW right now. I get that it is a weak spot on the roster, but all things considered, it doesn’t make my top five to-do list.

  59. NYCOIL "Taking Photos" says:

    RexLibris: I don’t have anyone in mind, but the recent talk of Justin Williams is a good mention.

    I think he’d likely be out of the Oilers’ price range given the pressing needs at D and G.

    Personally, I’m not seeing the need for a veteran RW right now. I get that it is a weak spot on the roster, but all things considered, it doesn’t make my top five to-do list.

    That’s what I’ve been sayin, too. Need a rightie Poo. Haha

  60. gogliano says:

    SkatinginSand:
    RexLibris,

    Is there a right hand shooting Benoit Pouliotout there?

    Marc Andre Pouliout shot right I think. If he shot left he could probably learn to shoot right.

  61. leadfarmer says:

    Pouzar,

    Well that is because I think the bottom right corner of the sledgehammer isn’t as much sheltering as it is actually appropriate deployment for a 20 year old defenseman. His coach still put him on the ice 20 min a game. His GM brought in another defensemen at the trade deadline and the coach is preferring to go with his young defenseman in the playoffs while the guy they brought in for a first round pick was sitting on the bench. I think that is a pretty good vote for confidence for the young guy

  62. smellyglove says:

    DSF has been twisting himself into knots since the lottery. He’s the king as slithering and cherry picking stats… wouldn’t pass muster in a research methods class, not enough rigor :0

  63. RexLibris says:

    Kelowna wins, 3-2. Draisaitl with an assist on the night.

  64. leadfarmer says:

    marty62,

    Notice how they both don’t comment at the same time.

    Bom-bom-bom.

  65. Pouzar says:

    leadfarmer:
    Pouzar,

    Well that is because I think the bottom right corner of the sledgehammer isn’t as much sheltering as itis actually appropriate deployment for a 20 year old defenseman.His coach still put him on the ice 20 min a game.His GM brought in another defensemen at the trade deadline and the coach is preferring to go with his young defenseman in the playoffs while the guy they brought in for a first round pick was sitting on the bench.I think that is a pretty good vote for confidence for the young guy

    Agree with all that.

    So you think he will progress to the point where he will be a can’t miss #1 defenseman?
    Maybe he will be.

    My whole point is that I am not willing to trade Draisaitl ++ to find out. I was merely was pointing out how Jones is being USED NOW to illustrate he is not there “yet”.

    This has Jack Shit to do with how I think new defensemen should be broken in. But some here seem to read minds.

  66. stush18 says:

    NYCOIL “Taking Photos”: That’s what I’ve been sayin,too. Need a rightie Poo. Haha

    Right handed players in general are a needed commodity. As far as i van remember, we only have two right handed forwards, ebs and Gordon

    Thats why i dont think ebs will be traded.

    Things like that really mess with tactics like breakouts and powerplays.

  67. pocession charge says:

    stush18: Right handed players in general are a needed commodity. As far as i van remember, we only have two right handed forwards, ebs and Gordon

    Thats why i dont think ebs will be traded.

    Things like that really mess with tactics like breakouts and powerplays.

    Purcell

  68. John Chambers says:

    marty62:
    on a side note our old pal Dubnyk is about to win his 3rd playoff game against the blues 4 1……..

    Might be a good defenseman to pluck from the Blues.

    Think J Bo would entertain a move back home now given the changes?

  69. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Woodguy,
    I was reading your post about Nashville’s D performance in relation to various centres. Don’t you think Ellis is able to excel because he has Weber as a buffer? I mean Weber plays more minutes and tougher minutes on a regular basis. Do you think Ellis could contribute at such a high level if playing on a team without Weber. What happens to Ellis’ numbers when his TOI increases and his zone starts decrease?

  70. Ice Sage says:

    smellyglove:
    DSF has been twisting himself into knots since the lottery. He’s the king as slithering and cherry picking stats… wouldn’t pass muster in a research methods class, not enough rigor :0

    LOL – DSF is scrambling to find new targets for his vitri-oil. Fortunately for his gig, there are dozens of Wellwoods out there.

  71. SwedishPoster says:

    Some extended research later I’m more positive in regards to Chiarelli, still cautious and part of his record is concerning(drafting and cap management stands out), but he has a lot of good reputation around the hockey world and I like what I hear about his time in Ottawa.

    His comments so far are pretty much the same we’ve heard from MacT really, measured approach, lot of pieces in place already, we don’t have to get there in a year, we have to go through the right steps, are all pretty much the same things MacT has been saying. We’ll see what goes once he’s looked into things a bit more, I like his comments about wanting to look at the roster closer to decide the style of play going forward.

  72. Bank Shot says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Woodguy,
    I was reading your post about Nashville’s D performance in relation to various centres. Don’t you think Ellis is able to excel because he has Weber as a buffer? I mean Weber plays more minutes and tougher minutes on a regular basis. Do you think Ellis could contribute at such a high level if playing on a team without Weber. What happens to Ellis’ numbers when his TOI increases and his zone starts decrease?

    Yes they would drop.

    Look at Mark Fayne in New Jersey versus Edmonton. Big difference in the corsi numbers. Corsi has always had a lot of trouble capturing the effectiveness of defencemen.

  73. Kmart99 says:

    The fact that Skinner has more goals than Hall definitely speaks to the value of staying healthy. It’s a valuable attribute just like speed or any other skill. Overall, Skinner has been able to provide the ‘Canes with more goals than hall, so in that dept he’s been more valuable. Even if in any given game Hall is better. Hall is def better. I also won’t be surprised if hall is #1 in his draft class for points two seasons from now.

  74. AsiaOil says:

    marty62: Only thing you can say to that is his play dropped off the cliff in Edmonton,then he was equally bad in Nashville and Montreal.Arizona got him on a cheap deal then traded him when he was winning games and messing up there tank job…..

    First congratulations to Dubnyk for being nominated for the Vezina this year and a wonderful bounce-back game stopping 36 of 37 in St Louis tonight for a big win. LT I would say that this means he covered his draft number 😉 Yes he will come down to earth but that is still a .920 – 9.25 starter for the next 5 years.

    As for excusing the Oilers mgmt for letting him go – BS – he only lost 17 games last year before he was tossed and then had 2 starts in Nashville and 0 starts in Montreal. Both teams are extremely strong goalie development programs and they saw something in DD – no coincidence which team’s goalies are joining DD as Vezina nominees this year. It was a the 2nd dumbest move MacT made and he made a ton of them as soon as he became GM flapping his gums about bold moves and promptly falling on his face.

    But I digress on this happy day – more important to cheer actual competence on Kingsway, CMD, PC and Lowe/MacT being kicked to the curb. Good times.

  75. Kmart99 says:

    Dreaming of Chiarelli finding a way to bring in:
    Seabrook, Sekera, Petry
    Niemi, Dubnyk

    … Dreaming.

  76. Frank the dog says:

    At least we no longer need to worry about Bucky taking over as Oilers HC now.

  77. Kmart99 says:

    Frank the dog:
    At least we no longer need to worry about Bucky taking over as Oilers HC now.

    Umm… The job is still open.

  78. AsiaOil says:

    You want to see what PC means about heavy but skilled – take a look at this goal by Stewart tonight in the Wild’s win over St Louis. The Blues are a big tough team (more so than the Wild) and regularly maul the Oilers. This is exactly what the Oilers need but very rarely get from the existing roster (especially from the so called young core)

    http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?hdpid=35&intcmpid=nav-video-main

    Stewart (or similar) with CMD and Pou on L2 would be just fine for the kid’s first year.

  79. G Money says:

    *** LATE NIGHT NERD ALERT ***

    The mind wanders, and asks: who are the chippiest teams in the NHL?

    https://oilersnerdalert.wordpress.com/2015/04/25/the-chippiest-teams-in-the-nhl/

  80. SwedishPoster says:

    Am I the only one who believes the single reason Lowe stays in the org is so that the name Lowetide would still make sense for an Oiler blog?

  81. Ribs says:

    SwedishPoster:
    Am I the only one who believes the single reason Lowe stays in the org is so that the name Lowetide would still make sense for an Oiler blog?

    Yes. You are the only one.

    ;’)

  82. SwedishPoster says:

    Ribs,

    No no I’m pretty sure the squirrels are with me on this. At least that’s what they tell me. Could they be lying? No they can’t be. They are very convincing.

  83. Woodguy says:

    leadfarmer:
    SkatinginSand,

    They are sheltering their 20 year old because they know how to develop a player.Most defensive prospects including the good ones are not even in the NHL yet.Unless you think his ceiling is that bottom right corner.

    Jones is a fine young Dman.

    If you goal is to win during McDavid’s ELC, you don’t trade for him today because he can’t step into your top pairing today and excel.

    He probably could in a few years, but not today.

  84. Woodguy says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Woodguy,
    I was reading your post about Nashville’s D performance in relation to various centres. Don’t you think Ellis is able to excel because he has Weber as a buffer? I mean Weber plays more minutes and tougher minutes on a regular basis. Do you think Ellis could contribute at such a high level if playing on a team without Weber. What happens to Ellis’ numbers when his TOI increases and his zone starts decrease?

    Using the Vollman chart, Weber and Ellis play very similar QoC. Using other metrics like Corsi of Competition or TOI of Competitiion at war on ice, they also come up very close.

    Weber is slightly harder, but its very close so we can’t just say “Weber gets tougher comp” , because 3 different QC metrics tells us otherwise.

    Also,

    The biggest difference is zone starts.

    Weber gets a ton of Dzone starts (12%OZS) with Gaustad in 312 minutes.

    However, we see that Ellis gets even worse ZS (9%) with Gaustad and has much better results (48%CF compared to 40%)

    Then you can look down the line and see Ellis actually gets worse ZS with Fisher and Jarncrock than Weber does, yet comes out better with both.

    We also cannot discount Josi and Ekholm in all of this.

    They are both very good Dmen who are certainly contributing to NAS’ success.

    All of this is not to say Weber is bad.

    Not at all.

    Its to say “WOW, Ellis is pretty damned good”

  85. Woodguy says:

    I apologize to everyone, and specifically Leadfarmer and DSF for my assholishness in this thread.

    No excuse.

    Sorry to LT as well for abusing the privilege of posting on his wonderful site.

    Also,

    I still think Laforge treated the fans terribly so what I said about him stands.

    Asshole.

  86. Michelangelo-McDavid says:

    The question isn’t whether right now is Ellis better than Jones. My opinion is that Ellis is but that comparison is a 20 year old to a 24 year old. Also we know that it’s tough to get a good read on Nashville because of their usage of the Weber-Josi pairing. In the previous season I believe Jones played tougher minutes than Ellis. I think that when Jones is 24 he will be ahead of Ellis but that is all projection. Right now Ellis is better he is a good 2nd pairing defenseman that is under contract for good term and $. In short Nashville isn’t too likely to trade Ellis.

    The question is would trading Drai for Jones be good for the Oilers and would it make sense for Nashville. Neither Drai or Jones are finished products and it very well could be that Drai takes the first step to being a more finished product.

    In my opinion it comes down to whether you value a potential low end #1 defenseman / top end #2 defenseman to a potential low end #1/top end #2 center. That’s how I see their value, people see Drai as having higher value than a low end #1. I disagree.

    His +1 Draft Year Points/G in the CHL was good but I don’t think you can call it elite. Here were other players +1 years and their birth month.

    Drouin 2.35 (Mar 28)
    Huberdeau 1.94 (Jun 4)
    Hodgson 1.74 (Feb 18)
    Schenn 1.68 (Aug 22)
    Kadri 1.66 (Oct 6)
    Draistail 1.65 (Oct, 27)
    Johansen 1.49 (July, 31)
    Strome 1.48 (Jul 11)
    Horvat 1.37 (Ap 5)
    Scheifele 1.34 (Mar 15)

    Those are good numbers and would strongly suggest that Drai is a top 6 forward but I’m not sold on him being elite. That’s just my opinion I could be wrong.

    I think for a team like the Oiler’s that lack depth that fans wouldn’t even consider moving a great young center for a 20-year-old potential top pairing defenseman is strange.

    Draistail’s Pts/G as in his +1 draft year was .24
    Jones PtS/G in his +1 draft year was .32 as a defensema and he was less sheltered than Drai.

    I’m not necessarily saying you do the deal but you would have to consider it. Again I could be wrong, but then again I could be right. Ultimately, it is a deal that might make sense for both teams.

  87. oliveoilers says:

    Woodguy:
    I apologize to everyone, and specifically Leadfarmer and DSF for my assholishness in this thread.

    No excuse.

    Sorry to LT as well for abusing the privilege of posting on his wonderful site.

    Also,

    I still think Laforge treated the fans terribly so what I said about him stands.

    Asshole.

    WG, it has been a strange and wonderful and emotionally draining week for all in Oilerland. And to think this is just the beginning.

  88. oliveoilers says:

    Off to GP for 4H swimming with the tribe. Last one out turn off the lights!

  89. SwedishPoster says:

    In other news Lander went 1+1 and Klefbom had two helpers in a pre-WC game against Russia on russians soil the other night. New game in about an hour. Sweden won 5-4 after being up 5-0 to start the third so some familiarity for the boys with the 3rd period collaps, though actually winning the game must’ve felt odd.

  90. Woodguy says:

    Michelangelo-McDavid:
    The question isn’t whether right now is Ellis better than Jones.My opinion is that Ellis is but that comparison is a 20 year old to a 24 year old.Also we know that it’s tough to get a good read on Nashville because of their usage of the Weber-Josi pairing.In the previous season I believe Jones played tougher minutes than Ellis.I think that when Jones is 24 he will be ahead of Ellis but that is all projection.Right now Ellis is better he is a good 2nd pairing defenseman that is under contract for good term and $.In short Nashville isn’t too likely to trade Ellis.

    The question is would trading Drai for Jones be good for the Oilers and would it make sense for Nashville.Neither Drai or Jones are finished products and it very well could be that Drai takes the first step to being a more finished product.

    In my opinion it comes down to whether you value a potential low end #1 defenseman / top end #2 defenseman toa potential low end #1/top end #2 center.That’s how I see their value, people see Drai as having higher value than a low end #1.I disagree.

    His +1 Draft Year Points/G in the CHL was good but I don’t think you can call it elite.Here were other players +1 years and their birth month.

    Drouin2.35(Mar 28)
    Huberdeau1.94 (Jun 4)
    Hodgson1.74 (Feb 18)
    Schenn1.68 (Aug 22)
    Kadri1.66 (Oct 6)
    Draistail1.65 (Oct, 27)
    Johansen1.49 (July, 31)
    Strome1.48 (Jul 11)
    Horvat1.37(Ap 5)
    Scheifele1.34 (Mar 15)

    Those are good numbers and would strongly suggest that Drai is a top 6 forward but I’m not sold on him being elite.That’s just my opinion I could be wrong.

    I think for a team like the Oiler’s that lack depth that fans wouldn’t even consider moving a great young center for a 20-year-old potential top pairing defenseman.

    Draistail’s Pts/G as in his +1 draft year was .24
    Jones PtS/G in his +1 draft year was .32 as a defensema and he was less sheltered than Drai.

    I’m not necessarily saying you do the deal but you would have to consider it. Again I could be wrong, but then again I could be right. Ultimately, it is a deal that might make sense for both teams.

    Good post.

    I think you do that deal if your goal isn’t to win the Cup during McDavid’s ELC.

    Jones will be a fine top pairing Dman, but probably not during McDavid’s ELC.

    If you want to win during McDavid’s ELC you need to target someone who is playing those minutes today and succeeding.

  91. SwedishPoster says:

    Also rumour has it Patrik Hersley has signed with Lokomotiv Jaroslav in the KHL no mention if there’s an NHL out clause. Might be the end to that Oiler rumour, shame, would’ve been a nice bet as a bottom pairing PP howitzer.

  92. book¡je says:

    Woodguy:
    I apologize to everyone, and specifically Leadfarmer and DSF for my assholishness in this thread.

    No excuse.

    Sorry to LT as well for abusing the privilege of posting on his wonderful site.

    Also,

    I still think Laforge treated the fans terribly so what I said about him stands.

    Asshole.

    I don’t know that you owe DSF an apology. The guy loves to provoke. Seemingly, it’s his favorite thing, certainly more so than engaging in honest debate. I think that if you play that game, you should expect some vitriol . If anything, you owe yoursself an appology for getting sucked in.

    I’m less angry at LaForge, I see things like threats to move the team as part of the politics of sucking money from the municipal and provincial government. It’s up to to other negotiators to call the bluff. With that said, the whole Katz group was one of the least professional developers I’ve ever seen engage council. They almost sunk the project despite tremendous support from Mandel and Council.

    Finally WG, I suspect some of your surly mood is because you have undirected free anger floating around in your brain. You’ve been carrying a batch of angry around attached to Oilers management for years. With the changes to Oilers management, this has all been released and it’s now just floating around your brain not knowing what to do. So for the next few days, everyone around you is going to seem like an asshole, but don’t worry it will fade.

  93. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    book¡je: Finally WG, I suspect some of your surly mood is because you have undirected free anger floating around in your brain. You’ve been carrying a batch of angry around attached to Oilers management for years. With the changes to Oilers management, this has all been released and it’s now just floating around your brain not knowing what to do. So for the next few days, everyone around you is going to seem like an asshole, but don’t worry it will fade.

    When will you be conducting you next therapy session? I’d like to get on the waiting list, please.

  94. Woodguy says:

    book¡je: I don’t know that you owe DSF an apology.The guy loves to provoke.Seemingly, it’s his favorite thing, certainly more so than engaging in honest debate.I think that if you play that game, you should expect some vitriol .If anything, you owe yoursself an appology for getting sucked in.

    I’m less angry at LaForge,I see things like threats to move the team as part of the politics of sucking money from the municipal and provincial government.It’s up to to other negotiators to call the bluff.With that said, the whole Katz group was one of the least professional developers I’ve ever seen engage council.They almost sunk the project despite tremendous support from Mandel and Council.

    Finally WG, I suspect some of your surly mood is because you have undirected free anger floating around in your brain.You’ve been carrying a batch of angry around attached to Oilers management for years. With the changes to Oilers management, this has all been released and it’s now just floating around your brain not knowing what to do.So for the next few days, everyone around you is going to seem like an asshole, but don’t worry it will fade.

    Thanks Bookie.

    I’m don’t think I have any free form anger floating around in my brain.

    Had some Irish Whiskey doing laps there though…..

    😀

    Also,

    Yeah, the #1 rule about DSF is don’t engage. Its never a debate but a loopy scooby doo-esque chase as DSF darts into one door only to emerge at the end of the hall hammering on a completely different point…

  95. book¡je says:

    Woodguy: Thanks Bookie.

    I’m don’t think I have any free form anger floating around in my brain.

    Had some Irish Whiskey doing laps there though…..

    I actually suspected that last night when I read your response to DSF.

  96. Lois Lowe says:

    Woodguy:

    Yeah, the #1 rule about DSF is don’t engage.Its never a debate but a loopy scooby doo-esque chase as DSF darts into one door only to emerge at the end of the hall hammering on a completely different point…

    And he would have gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for you meddling kids!

    *shakes fist*

  97. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy: Yeah, the #1 rule about DSF is don’t engage. Its never a debate but a loopy scooby doo-esque chase as DSF darts into one door only to emerge at the end of the hall hammering on a completely different point…

    I took this quite literally and it painted a very funny image. Marx brothersesque.

    He went in this door, but somehow he’s over there… hammering something… now he’s over there riding a bike and eating a wax peach!

  98. Магия 10 says:

    marty62: Orrrrrrr.. is DSF really LT trolling his own site to bump the comments?????? Conspiracy theory # 1…..

    Cunning scheme or split personality? Are the periodic bans the Smeagol-LT gaining temporary mastery over the Gollum-LT?

    Or is the truth even stranger? Is D the nom de plume of a certain Riders fan driving household income without LT’s knowledge? Wheels within wheels.

  99. Woodguy says:

    Lois Lowe,

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    And you never know which costume he’ll be wearing when he emerges.

    “Skinner is better than Hall” guy

    “RNH is too small to play C” guy

    “Jooris has more trade value than Yak” guy

    Its a surprise at every turn!

  100. tcho says:

    Woodguy,

    My personal fave was “Horcoff is suddenly a valuable/good centre, NOW that he’s been traded to Dallas” guy.

  101. Hammers says:

    Go away on holidays and all hell brakes loose. New player, new g.m. New coach? Not sure how I really feel . If Julien is new coach all we did is move pieces around . Seems like they Boston just had a crappy year . Not surprised I guess as this owner seems more like a follower than a leader . Where the hell is Sather when you need him .

  102. wheatnoil says:

    Woodguy,

    I like Whiskey Woodguy! He reminds me of my uncle when he’s not on whiskey!

    Also, with DSF, that’s only part of the lesson. He’s got some really great points and at times, as LT put it, he keeps us honest. Engage when he makes good points. When he says preposterous things, you shake your head and ignore it… like I do when my uncle IS on whiskey.

  103. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy:
    I apologize to everyone, and specifically Leadfarmer and DSF for my assholishness in this thread.

    No excuse.

    Sorry to LT as well for abusing the privilege of posting on his wonderful site.

    Also,

    I still think Laforge treated the fans terribly so what I said about him stands.

    Asshole.

    Why apologise? The Oiler’s just had their Iron Mask taken off after many years of torment.

    DSF is also in shock, he stated it by predicting his conditions for the team to move forward – followed by the team virtually giving DSF everything he asked for.

    Lowetide’s in shock, because now he doesn’t have to walk softly around his wife; with the Oiler’s poised to take on the NHL with Hall/RNH and McDavid(!!) and because he’s cornered the Oiler’s blogosphere market.

    Every Oiler fan is in shock. Every Oiler fan has got a different story.

  104. hunter1909 says:

    McDavid reminds me of Cloutier when he fights. He’s a killer.

  105. hunter1909 says:

    Funny how McDavid towers over the current lineup.

    Hopefully they stick him with Hall+Yakupov for a little while. Nothing could stop them.

  106. hunter1909 says:

    If they put out a line of Hall/McDavid/Yakupov next year, I might taunt Habs fans with Geffrion/Beliveau/Richard comparisons.

  107. Woodguy says:

    hunter1909,

    DSF is also in shock, he stated it by predicting his conditions for the team to move forward – followed by the team virtually giving DSF everything he asked for.

    Yeah, the thing about DSF is that he was an Edmontonian and Oiler fan for years and years, and couldn’t stand what Lowe did to the team.

    I also agree that DSF does add to the conversation very well when he’s in the mood to do so.

    But like me, when the whiskey comes calling all bets are off and suddenly Jooris has more trade value than Yak.

  108. Michelangelo-McDavid says:

    Woodguy,

    I agree. Although unlike DSF I think that the Oilers window is when Hall hits free agency. The Oiler’s should be able to keep McD (with his extension) and Nuge & Hall at 6 milllion and surround them with good forwards. It will likely mean saying goodbye to players like Eberle, Yakupov but the forward core is likely McD, Nuge and my guess is Hall.

    Using Chicago as a reference I don’t think that Chicago is going to crumble next year and they have Kane, Toews and Hossa for a lot higher cap hit then when McD signs his extension here in Edmonton. The Hawks will move Sharp, Keith is signed and I wouldn’t doubt that Crawford gets moved. The Oiler’s can manage the cap with Nuge and Hall’s extensions it’s when they hit free agency that the Oiler’s might start to get into trouble. At that point I think they are going to have to say good bye to Hall and keep Nuge. But that is a 5 year window.

    The guy I target, if the Blues lose, is Shattenkirk. They need to resign Tarasenko and he’s a guy that could shake loose. Problem is I have no idea how you get him.

    Klefbom-Shattenkirk – Soft Minutes (Seabrook-Keith treatment)
    Marincin-Fayne – Hard Minutes (Hjalmarsson-Oduya treatment)

    Then you fill your bottom 6 with potential players;
    Bartkowski, Postma, Cowen are guys that intrigue me and I know there are problems with all of those players but I keep circling back to them.

  109. Woodguy says:

    Michelangelo-McDavid,

    I think there are two distinct window.

    1) During McDavid’s ELC
    2) During McDavid’s 2nd contract

    Two different windows with two slightly different strategies.

    You can achieve both, they are not mutually exclusive.

    Also,

    I think that the Oilers window is when Hall hits free agency.

    What exactly do you mean by this?

    The Oilers can’t win with Hall?

    Also,

    Cowan is probably not NHL caliber and his contract is gross.

  110. book¡je says:

    Woodguy,

    A lot of people don’t realize that DSF is a deeply jaded long term Oiler fan. I am interested to see the transformation in DSF’s attitude if the Oilers actually start being well managed. It may be pretty hard to argue that we overvalue Hall if he and McDavid click.

    It’s uncharted territory for all of us. This blog has only ever existed in a state of Oiler suckatude. What’s going to happen? Are we all just going to come here and hi-five each other?

  111. Woodguy says:

    book¡je:
    Woodguy,

    A lot of people don’t realize that DSF is a deeply jaded long term Oiler fan.I am interested to see the transformation in DSF’s attitude if the Oilers actually start being well managed.It may be pretty hard to argue that we overvalue Hall if he and McDavid click.

    It’s uncharted territory for all of us.This blog has only ever existed in a state of Oiler suckatude.What’s going to happen?Are we all just going to come here and hi-five each other?

    I look forward to a return to a time where Oiler fans were considered arrogant due to the dominance of the team.

    We’ll all just come here and pat each other on the back for being Oiler fans.

  112. Lois Lowe says:

    Woodguy,

    I look forward to LT’s Katy Perry RE series should that ever come to pass. Her music is pretty happy, right?

  113. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    book¡je: What’s going to happen? Are we all just going to come here and hi-five each other?

    We’re going to debate the ripening of the uneven grab-bag of fruit that is the late round draft picks of the future!

    “Hub Tander has the making of a future Stortini!”
    someone will say.

    “I think Garretth (two rs, two ts, an h) Jeeps is going to be a Heskethesque bust!”

  114. stephen sheps says:

    Woodguy:

    DSF is also in shock, he stated it by predicting his conditions for the team to move forward – followed by the team virtually giving DSF everything he asked for.

    Yeah, the thing about DSF is that he was an Edmontonian and Oiler fan for years and years, and couldn’t stand what Lowe did to the team.

    I also agree that DSF does add to the conversation very well when he’s in the mood to do so.

    Strange as it may be, some of my favourite threads from the last 5 years have been when you and DSF go off the rails a little. I tend to not chime in unless a conversation about whiskey emerges, but seeing two very divergent positions coming together can be both entertaining and contributes to the debate – even if you both end up looking like asshats for a minute. It’s like listening to a far right libertarian and an anarchist debate about politics. The further apart they appear on the surface, the closer they happen to actually be – it’s a continuum not a linear spectrum.

    book¡je:
    Woodguy,

    It’s uncharted territory for all of us. This blog has only ever existed in a state of Oiler suckatude.What’s going to happen?Are we all just going to come here and hi-five each other?

    yes. though I prefer the fist-bump… 🙂

  115. gd says:

    Lois Lowe:
    Woodguy,

    I look forward to LT’s Katy Perry RE series should that ever come to pass. Her music is pretty happy, right?

    I look forward to a time when LT’s RE series is a two word article: STANLEY CUP

    and then he drops the mike

  116. russ99 says:

    My favorite part about yesterday is that all the assumptions about how the Oilers are to be built and run are all out the window.

    Going to be real interesting to see how it plays out, especially with a GM who isn’t afraid to make a risky move to improve the roster.

  117. theres oil in virginia says:

    Woodguy:
    I apologize to everyone, and specifically Leadfarmer and DSF for my assholishness in this thread.

    No excuse.

    Sorry to LT as well for abusing the privilege of posting on his wonderful site.

    Also,

    I still think Laforge treated the fans terribly so what I said about him stands.

    Asshole.

    I think that if we tally up your negatives and weigh them against what you bring to the site, you come out pretty wealthy. There are times when you carry this blog’s comment section (G Money as well, over the last few months). You certainly have no need to apologize to me, but I appreciate the respect that your apology shows to the environment that LT has created here, which is one of the things I appreciate most about this community.

    Also, me not ever having been to Edmonton, I get all my info from afar, so I always enjoy and learn something from the bits of history, such as your LaForge rant. I either didn’t know, or had forgotten his role in these events. It reminds me of when you posted regarding the ticket prices…that was shocking to me and changed my perspective by a good bit.

  118. theres oil in virginia says:

    stephen sheps: far right libertarian

    Please pardon my language and tone for just a second, but what the hell is a “far right libertarian”?

  119. theres oil in virginia says:

    AsiaOil,

    Happy to see the change (back) in your handle.

  120. stephen sheps says:

    theres oil in virginia,

    oddly enough there are actually some on the left who would consider themselves libertarians as well, just not in terms of economics. Were you suggesting that all libertarian thought is inherently right wing?

    I guess what I was trying to get at was using the far right without inadvertently insinuating that either Woodguy or DSF, who I both like and respect a great deal for people I only know from the internet, is a fascist in the politics analogy I was making, while still working within a left – right political binary. And I failed. No offence taken at all.

  121. theres oil in virginia says:

    stephen sheps,

    Ha! I see. Actually, at least from my perspective, a libertarian and an anarchist simply differ by small degree. Right-wing implies a strong belief in government, which pretty much excludes libertarians. (Shhh. Don’t tell the Koch brothers.)

  122. stephen sheps says:

    theres oil in virginia,

    I agree with you completely – hence my original comment about appearing different on the surface but are much closer in practice. (And the less we tell the Koch brothers, the better)

  123. rickithebear says:

    WG: giving your stats context.

    Weber high First comp with mid 1st comp teamates 2.59 GF/60
    2.17 EVGA/60

    Josi high first comp with low 3rd teamates 2.72 GF/60
    2.13 EVGA/60

    Ellis mid 2nd comp with high 1st comp tea mates. 2.84 GF/60
    2.23 EVGA/60

  124. Halfwise says:

    theres oil in virginia,

    AsiaOil,

    stephen sheps,

    Woodguy,

    Gents: LT’s barber shop hosts grownups, like no other forum I have seen. You four epitomize this with your comments in this thread. It’s too early for the whisky, so here’s a coffee mug raised in your direction.

  125. Ca$h-Money! says:

    theres oil in virginia:
    stephen sheps,

    Ha!I see.Actually, at least from my perspective, a libertarian and an anarchist simply differ by small degree.Right-wing implies a strong belief in government, which pretty much excludes libertarians.(Shhh.Don’t tell the Koch brothers.)

    The whole concept of a single line political spectrum is totally ridiculous. The fact that we teach this in school is troublesome, it teaches the masses a base concept that’s far too flawed to be useful. At the very least a simple 2×2 matrix provides for a clearer picture, and it’s simple enough for teenage students to understand.

    The school system teaches that the extreme left is communism, and the extreme right is Fascism. The idea that those two things are opposites is just ridiculous, but that’s what we learn. Hence the idea that “right wing implies a strong belief in government” when realistically it doesn’t mean that at all.

  126. theres oil in virginia says:

    Ca$h-Money!,

    I agree with all except your last sentence. Left wing also implies a strong belief in government. The common usage of left wing and right wing is that these are the two ends of the spectrum of folks who want to use the government to accomplish their ends. I’m interested in hearing anything else you’ve got to say on the subject, if you’ve got time to expound.

  127. Ca$h-Money! says:

    theres oil in virginia,

    I wouldn’t say you are wrong or right, that’s the exact problem with looking at a spectrum along a single axis. By that definition left wing implies a strongly authoritarian government playing a direct interventionist hand in the economy, and the right wing a strongly authoritarian government with a limited or theoretically nonexistent direct hand in the economy.

    Many who self identify as right wing would suggest that the truest form of “right wing” calls for a limited role for government in the economy and also in the general lives of the population, commonly self identified as libertarian.

    No one is right or wrong in these assertions: the flaw is in fact in the idea of a single axis to define political behaviour. It’s far too complicated a thing to describe so simply, and it often leads folks down the wrong path and restricts appropriate discourse.

  128. striatic says:

    Ideology often described as far right involves advocating for massive government spending, just that the spending is typically reserved for Military and Law Enforcement. In the politics of the so called Western nations we certainly don’t describe that kind of spending as leftist.

    The terms right wing and left wing have been around long enough that they are more tribal descriptors than ideological ones, although the respective tribes certainly have their ideologies.

    Oh, by the way, has anyone mentioned that we’ve got Connor McDavid?

    Because we do.

  129. Von Leon says:

    Woodguy:
    hunter1909,

    DSF is also in shock, he stated it by predicting his conditions for the team to move forward – followed by the team virtually giving DSF everything he asked for.

    Yeah, the thing about DSF is that he was an Edmontonian and Oiler fan for years and years, and couldn’t stand what Lowe did to the team.

    I also agree that DSF does add to the conversation very well when he’s in the mood to do so.

    But like me, when the whiskey comes calling all bets are off and suddenly Jooris has more trade value than Yak.

    We’re any of you ever on the Oilers Usenet back in the day? There was a poster called Hungry Lion who I swear sounds like DSF. His whole MO was to just post garbage to stir the pot. Eventually everyone just ignored him and he faded away. Maybe he’s reborn as DSF. That would be a pretty sad existence if he’s been posting the same shit for 20 years.

  130. DocFan says:

    Looks like Eakins May land on his feet:

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/flyers-have-dallas-eakins-on-coaching-short-list/

    I hope he does. Even for all his mistakes, he’s a very smart guy and once he learns how to connect with his players, watch out.

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