RE 14-15 MARTIN MARINCIN: DONE SOMEBODY WRONG

Martin Marincin said something to someone, I’ll go to my grave believing it. The Oilers reacted swiftly, sending him down and letting him sit for a time while the season bled out. Which is fine, if you’re a coach and a GM with a future, not so good when the owner is hearing it from his buddies. The MacT regime went from using Theo Peckham as the example of what happens when you don’t listen, to using Marincin in a very similar role. This is my opinion.

RE 14-15: 65GP, 3-11-14 .215

ACTUAL 14-15: 41GP, 1-4-5 .122

MARTIN MARINCIN BOXCARS, THREE YEAR TREND

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MARTIN MARINCIN FANCY NUMBERS, THREE YEAR TREND

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  1. What do the numbers tell us? Martin Marincin is going to have a career. Tough zone starts, second-pairing minutes, his Corsi for % at 5×5 isn’t far from even. He isn’t going to score a lot but really he’s well priced for a third pairing blue—and he can play either side.
  2. He’ll never be top 4D with that offense. In about one full season, we’re looking at 11 points, so no, not a lot of offense. He should be able to help at evens and on the PK, and is already facing the tough ZS’s. Just a kid too, very useful player who is under contract and miles from big money. More please.
  3. You think they’ll trade him, don’t you? Yes.
  4. Why? I think there was some kind of disconnect. Conditioning? Something along those lines. And then maybe he didn’t respond well to the wakeup call? Don’t know. Something. Either way, he’s in the jailhouse now.
  5. Can he recover? Yes. I hope he plans to work out in Edmonton this summer, similar to the work Bogdan Yakimov did last summer. I think the Oilers will eventually require their prospects to attend a summer camp, maybe with the new draft picks.
  6. They already do that, though. Not with guys like Marincin. They bring in guys from the current draft, some college men, and maybe a few guys who are still in junior or just starting pro. Marincin has been in pro hockey since 2012 fall.
  7. Who did he play well with? Everyone. Pretty much everyone.
  8. Right. Haha. No, seriously. Here’s the Corsi for 5×5%’s: Mark Fayne 46.3; Justin Schultz 56.9; Niki Nikitin 54.9; Jeff Petry 58.7. He did have some downward numbers but none among his primary partners.
  9. Is there any good reason to trade Marincin? I think you could make the argument Marincin is the least likely of the good kids to be able to help in a big way at maturation.
  10. Good kids? Klefbom, Nurse, Marincin.
  11. Why would they trade him? As Edmonton turns north, inexperienced defensemen will become less plentiful. The Oilers will bring Nurse up at some point this coming season, suspect Klefbom will be the only youngster in the top six when that happens.
  12. Does Marincin have value? Oh yes. If you put Marincin with the No. 16 pick, I think you could expect a quality return. An NHL defenseman with experience and term.
  13. Do you have any recent examples? Something like the Jay Bouwmeester to St. Louis trade. Calgary received goalie Reto Berra, defensemen Mark Cundari and the No. 22 overall selection in the 2013 draft. The Flames chose Emile Poirier.
  14. So, Marincin and the No. 16 pick represents similar value? Yes. I think so.
  15. Will a new coach see him good? I don’t know if a new coach sees him at all. Chiarelli will have an opinion on him, but we already know MacT’s decision and his usually remain final. MM is in a tough spot as an Oiler, because the spot he’ll occupy on the team next season is easily duplicated.
  16. Who can play his spot? Most of the NHL defensemen are best-suited for 5-6D. Niki Nikitin, Andrew Ference, Justin Schultz, it would have been nice to have Klefbom there for a year and of course Nurse would be best served by a season there. Brandon Davidson, David Musil…
  17. I get it. Lots of them. Yes.
  18. What about as the partner for Mark Fayne on the severe ZS pairing? That’s a good fit in my opinion, based on what is currently on the roster. Suspect Chiarelli may want to aim higher.
  19. What would you like to see? I would move heaven and earth to acquire three defensemen, including a complete top pairing, like Sekera—Seabrook. The second pairing would be Klefbom—Petry and the third pairing Marincin—Fayne.
  20. What about Ference, Nikitin and Schultz? What ABOUT Ference, Nikitin and Schultz?
  21. So you’d turn over pretty much the entire defense as it stands? Yes. Easy decision really. I’d keep Klefbom and Marincin, plus Fayne for the tough ZS’s.
  22. A GM can’t turn over that much of the roster in one summer. In the year before he arrived as GM, Boston’s top 7D: Hal Gill (1489 minutes); Brian Leetch (1434); Brad Stuart (1412); Nick Boynton (1115); David Tanabe (1087); Andrew Alberts (936) and Milan Jurcina (839).
  23. And the following year? Zdeno Chara (2237 minutes); Andrew Alberts (1495); Paul Mara (1290); Brad Stuart (1100); Jason York (640); Andrew Ference (581) and Aaron Ward (432).
  24. So he turned over a lot of the roster that first summer? Well, during the year, too. Lots of trades, including acquiring Andrew Ference and Aaron Ward. He would pick up Dennis Wideman in Feb. 2007 too, and turned over pretty much the entire rig in quick order. In a cap world.
  25. Lots of names flying out? That is my guess, although Klefbom and Nurse are extremely likely to be a big part of the future in Edmonton.
  26. Why this song? It goes back to what we talked about at the beginning. He said something. I believe it. The bell has tolled. Perhaps I’m underestimating Chiarelli here, or maybe Martin Marincin is no big deal. Two years into his NHL career, his arrows are easily good enough for the Oilers to retain him on merit. We wait.

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154 Responses to "RE 14-15 MARTIN MARINCIN: DONE SOMEBODY WRONG"

  1. Lowetide says:

    Lowdown, 10:05 this morning on TSN 1260. Scheduled t appear:

    10:05 Dennis King, Oilogosphere Icon. We’ll talk Habs and McLellan.
    11:00 Corey Pronman, ESPN Get your questions in!
    11:25 Andrew Berskhire Habs Eyes on the Prize. Tough night for Montreal

    10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. 90 minutes away!

  2. Lowetide says:

    This fellow will be walking the streets of Bakersfield next season. Probably

    http://zipzp.eu/news.php?u=http://dlvr.it/9jXnnZ

  3. supernova says:

    Really wander what the rest of the League values Marty as.

    To me he should be very attractive to an opposing team.

    Big, mobile, young, cheap and already has his feet wet.

    Should be a top 6 on pretty much every NHL team except for a few.

  4. Woodguy says:

    Martin Marincin said something to someone, I’ll go to my grave believing it.

    I heard that after getting lectured about his diet and work our regime that Marty said to Dallas “Why do you worry so much about things that are not hockey?”

    Or something to that effect.

    Great draft pick by Stu.

    Will be very useful as a Dman on the Oilers or very useful as a trade chip.

    Another reason why I wish MacT would step aside.

    A lot of his biases are not good.

  5. leadfarmer says:

    One of the reasons why MacT should of been completely let go. No reason keeping him around talking in everyone’s ear that Marincin is junk when results so far have been the opposite. Give him and Klefbom competent mentors this year and hope Marincin spends the summers in the weight room.

    As far as defensive roster turnover I don’t see any other way around it. Not just this year but in the next 2 years. Nikitin’s contract is done in a year, he’s not coming back. Ference is done in two years, he’s not coming back. Schultz is going to keep wanting to get paid well, don’t see him getting that kind of money. They may give him one more year to prove himself.

  6. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy:
    Martin Marincin said something to someone, I’ll go to my grave believing it.

    I heard that after getting lectured about his diet and work our regime that Marty said to Dallas “Why do you worry so much about things that are not hockey?”

    Or something to that effect.

    Great draft pick by Stu.

    Will be very useful as a Dman on the Oilers or very useful as a trade chip.

    Another reason why I wish MacT would step aside.

    A lot of his biases are not good.

    Eakins wrecked MacT

  7. PunjabiOil says:

    What about Ference, Nikitin and Schultz? What ABOUT Ference, Nikitin and Schultz?

    Laughed at this line. Great writing.

    Burying Marincin in the minors to start the season was clearly a mistake, and the Edmonton Oilers went into the season not icing their best lineup. Then HS’d Petry against LA. Self inflicted wounds. The more I think of it, replacing MacT was the right decision.

    My hope is Chia makes his own decisions, and sees higher value in Marincin than MacT did.

  8. Rondo says:

    Lowetide:
    Lowdown, 10:05 this morning on TSN 1260. Scheduled t appear:

    10:05 Dennis King, Oilogosphere Icon. We’ll talk Habs and McLellan.
    11:00 Corey Pronman, ESPN Get your questions in!
    11:25 Andrew Berskhire Habs Eyes on the Prize. Tough night for Montreal

    10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. 90 minutes away!

    Could you ask Corey Pronman about the question he answered on his chat.

    “Is there much of a gap between Provorov, Werenski and Roy?
    Corey Pronman (12:42 PM)

    Not in my eyes. After you get past Hanifin as the top D in the class, there’s a bunch I feel you could reasonably argue for as the 2nd best for whatever reason.”

  9. sliderule says:

    Marty is just another in the long list of oilers that management deems not aggressive enough.

    Just throw him on dust bin with Poti ,Gilbert ,Cogliano and Petry.

    If Lowe and Mact have any say with Chiarelli he will be traded for another Ference clone.

  10. Bag of Pucks says:

    Woodguy:
    Martin Marincin said something to someone, I’ll go to my grave believing it.

    I heard that after getting lectured about his diet and work our regime that Marty said to Dallas “Why do you worry so much about things that are not hockey?”

    To be fair, Dallas was probably preparing for the imminent date when he’d have no hockey ‘things’ to worry about.

  11. Bobbin Roundlee says:

    leadfarmer:
    One of the reasons why MacT should of been completely let go.No reason keeping him around talking in everyone’s ear that Marincin is junk when results so far have been the opposite.

    I am not sure that Chiarelli is anyones puppet so.

    He might give MacT a listen to but if you believe that he will go against his better judgement… that is yet to be seen. Given that Nicholson is Chiarellis boss I trust that decision making will NOT be influenced by the Boys on the Bus.

  12. Stanley 2018 says:

    MacT doesn’t like MM because he’s not a physical player. He likes a Klefbom or a Nurse. MM don’t play that way. If Chiarelli can flip him to improve the D, I’m all for it. He’s good, but he’s not vital. And if PC can’t get a decent return for him, let him play. He’s the best option for 2nd LD we got, and if they can find an offensive defenseman to complete the pairing, should work just fine.

  13. Bag of Pucks says:

    MacT’s influence on Chiarelli will be directly proportional to his results.

    He’s a sounding board and if he feeds Chia bad Intel that doesn’t jibe with the eye or the data, than Chiarelli will first assess if there’s specific areas where the Intel is consistently strong. If there’s not, MacT will be toast when Chia gets a chance to install his own people.

    This isn’t ‘Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.” The head has been cut off, or at the very least it’s been frozen Walt Disney style.

  14. blainer says:

    LT… I absolutely love that D projection for next year. Dumping Shultz NN and Ference and then adding those new pickups WITH a quality goalie.. I’m talkin 920 plus save% and we are not just making the playoffs … we will be serious conteders…

  15. Richard S.S. says:

    Lowetide
    You need better people working with you. Someone’s forgetting to post your shows for Podcasts since Tuesday. Your Saturday Sports Extra’s podcasts are available but nothing since late last year.

    Besides you deserve a big raise and much better perks anyway. You’d be shocked at what others are getting.

  16. TheGreatMutato says:

    Woodguy:

    I heard that after getting lectured about his diet and work our regime that Marty said to Dallas “Why do you worry so much about things that are not hockey?”

    This is a great quote, particularly when read in one’s head using the proper eastern-European accent. Love it.

    I’ll need to remember this as a go-to response when the drama-mill is building up another tangential, non-hockey Oilers story.

  17. Braden88 says:

    Lowetide:
    This fellow will be walking the streets of Bakersfield next season. Probably

    http://zipzp.eu/news.php?u=http://dlvr.it/9jXnnZ

    Looks like a Boyd Gordon prodigee. Centerman witih little offensive output. a full WHL career and in the end not even close to point per game. i hope he’s defensively good

    but he’s got a really good first name!

  18. admiralmark says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    MacT’s influence on Chiarelli will be directly proportional to his results.

    He’s a sounding board and if he feeds Chia bad Intel that doesn’t jibe with the eye or the data, than Chiarelli will first assess if there’s specific areas where the Intel is consistently strong. If there’s not, MacT will be toast when Chia gets a chance to install his own people.

    This isn’t ‘Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.” The head has been cut off, or at the very least it’s been frozen Walt Disney style.

    In a perfect world Chiarelli would tell MacT just focus on our needs at forward. Don’t concern yourself with any of the Defenceman.. I got someone else focusing on that.

    The more I think about it the more it is a not a very good sign MacT and Howson were kept on board.

  19. Woogie63 says:

    Draft the player… send the player for more development back to juniors for two years (including world juniors).

    Send the player to the AHL for two more years of development (including the Oympics and WC).

    Slowly bring the player into the NHL.

    At the 85 NHL games mark trade him away ….. for an older, more expensive version of the player we are developing.

    seems like a foolish strategy for a team so in need of defensemen.

  20. PaperKurtRussell says:

    I always liked him, ever since he was suspended at the world juniors for cross-checking that guy in the face. Ironic that we’re now talking about him not being mean enough… hit the protein shakes Marty!!

  21. RexLibris says:

    On Braden Christoffer: http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=88696

    Seems like a potential Ewanyk replacement, Travis that is, not Brad.

    The pts peaked this year as an overager but the PIMs along with his size look like a WHL version of Brad Marchand.

    Thank the bleeding heavens above the Oilers decided to sign this player as a free-agent rather than waste a pick on him.

    Small changes, but significant nonetheless.

  22. Stelio Kontos says:

    I think marincin is too valuable as a good contract that can be kept on a good contract through the competitive years. The defence is coming, I say bridge with two free agent signings, and move out the trash FSN. Maybe give shultz one last chance, young men seem to blossom overnight. There are enough decent ufas out there that could make this a decent defence by committee. I wait on a deal like that until we are decently close to the playoffs, preferable in them.

    Now how do we get petty and Dubnyk back?

  23. gmac2412 says:

    Anyone think that Chiarelli may seek opinion from MM’s international buddy Chara rather than listening to MacT (who can find the proverbial decent defensive forward at the bottom of the Ocean, but can’t seem to evaluate D-men if his life depended on it!!)?

    I suspect Chara would have an opinion on a countryman playing the same position and hopefully has some first hand knowledge of him from Slovak national team games.

  24. RexLibris says:

    I’ve loved Marincin since the 2010 draft. Liked him as a prospect more than his 2nd round colleagues in Pitlick and Hamilton.

    That being said, we keep saying that the 16th and Marincin gets you a defenseman and then start discussing how many bodies Chiarelli can move out this summer.

    What about Schultz and the 16th? The kid can’t play defense, but I’m reasonably certain that around the league many see that as an Oilers-effect. There may be a GM out there who figures he can scoop a pick and a potential Yandle-type for a veteran defenseman.

    Name recognition goes a lot further than people realize in this league.

    Consider Petry as a counter-example.

    Here he was generally lauded as a top 4 RHD.

    Around the league most pundits said “yeeeeaaah, he’s kind of a 5/6 on a good team”

    Then he goes to Montreal and suddenly he’s a top 4 RHD on a good team in a playoff situation.

    Around the league his name was made despite all evidence to the contrary. I think Justin Schultz could be something similar on the trade market, if you find the right GM.

  25. Rip Fan Winkle "OilOnslaught" says:

    If Peachy listens to MacT very much the only thing holding me to the Oilers is CMD. I think former management opinions should be mostly irrelevant now.

    Rednecks shouldn’t draft Europeans, they think and speak differently, end result is the same. A European playing on such a shitty team might say, with some pretentious git up in his grill, something like WG said meaning “diet and exercise might be better addressed after playing good hockey first”.

    Rednecks shouldn’t draft college players either.

    Hopefully Peachy isn’t a redneck.

    The reason Albertans voted NDP is that Boston is a working man’s town and they wanted to make Peachy feel more welcome. Nice people.

  26. blainer says:

    Woogie63:
    Draft the player… send the player for more development back to juniors for two years (including world juniors).

    Send the player to the AHL for two more years of development (including the Oympics and WC).

    Slowly bring the player into the NHL.

    At the 85 NHL games mark trade him away ….. for an older, more expensive version of the player we are developing.

    seems like a foolish strategy for a team so in need of defensemen.

    Perfect.. Very well said…

  27. RexLibris says:

    Woogie63: seems like a foolish strategy for a team so in need of defensemen.

    *spoken in booming arena-announcer voice*
    Ladies and Gentlemen…YOUR EDMONTON OILERS!

  28. linkfromhyrule says:

    You have to think (read: hope) one of the BOTB will tell Chia that Marincin is not fit for the NHL because he needs to HIT MOAR, and Chia will look at him like he’s a lunatic.

    Marincin is one of those quietly effective defenseman that you don’t notice as much as the rest, but that’s because he doesn’t make many of those glaring mistakes that certain other members of the D make. Yes he lacks offense, but I have very rarely seen him pull an FSN.

    He is the type of Dman a good GM will value. Chia seems like the type of GM that understands defenseman.

    I don’t think PC is coming in here believing he can truly value the opinions of any of the previous management. Would you listen to the architects of the worst performing franchise of the last 9 years if you were coming in to supposedly right the ship? I would listen to their opinions, but take everything with a bucketload of salt. Take note of what they say, and figure out who is feeding BS narratives.

  29. blainer says:

    We are all counting on PC to make the correct decisions. He CANNOT listen to MacT regarding the D. If he has to consult within the org on this point please use BN.. PC has NO ties to keeping SNF.. hopefully that is why he was brought in. It would be tougher for MacT to flush the D after making promises of keeping them.

  30. su_dhillon says:

    Woodguy:
    Martin Marincin said something to someone, I’ll go to my grave believing it.

    I heard that after getting lectured about his diet and work our regime that Marty said to Dallas “Why do you worry so much about things that are not hockey?”

    Or something to that effect.

    Great draft pick by Stu.

    Will be very useful as a Dman on the Oilers or very useful as a trade chip.

    Another reason why I wish MacT would step aside.

    A lot of his biases are not good.

    I wonder if over the last couple of weeks, MacT has spent some time in reflective thought and reviewd what went wrong. You would think he had to have, he went from the guy that could ride CMD to the promise land to the guy sitting next to the guy.

    Petry, Dubynk, Jultz, Marincin, Nikitin… If he owns all those as mistakes then maybe he can help Chia but does he see all those as his mistakes? That’s the question.

  31. Stelio Kontos says:

    Did you guys hear about the 20yo MLA? Funny how we beat up on the oilers being too inexperience to play hockey, and people are willing to put similar inexperience into office. Maybe CMD for President of the World was not so far fetched.

  32. kinger_OIL says:

    blainer,

    I agree: its what I said before: you get Seabrook (in a trade including MM), and in three years best case scenario we are a stanley cup contender: we will be saying: “man we need a guy 27 years old, in his prime on this team, our D is getting long in the tooth…Add one good D this summer: pump Nikitin and Ferrence and Shultz (or get rid of them this off-season) and trade them at deadline, pick up another good D, and for next season you have 2 really good D’s: plus Nurse Klef, Fayne, MM and whoever @ 7. It isn’t reasonable to assume that we can make the playoffs next year even with MCD. So don’t sell the farm trying to do so. 80-85 points, and still in it in jan. is the outer marker best case scenario.

  33. Klima's_Bucket says:

    If I am Peter Chiarelli the only time I call MacT into my office to discuss Dmen is if my wife was mad at me as I left the house for failing to put the toilet seat down. MacT would come into my office for five minutes and share his thoughts on Dmen. I would then ask him to leave and close the door. Then I would laugh hysterically until the thoughts of my unhappy wife faded away into oblivion.

  34. jake70 says:

    MM strolling around Kingsway offices, bongos playing in backgroud….
    (started humming this one day after a Marincin comment on here)

    Please allow me to introduce myself
    I’m a tall man who can skate
    I’ve been around for a long, long year
    Riding planes and interstates
    And I was ’round when young linus
    Scored his five goals, in a game
    Witnessed those Oilers who sure
    Washed their hands and sealed his fate

    Pleased to meet you
    Hope you guess my name
    But what’s puzzling you
    Is the nature of my game

    I stuck around here in Edmonton
    Nelly saw’t time for a change
    Stuck it to MacT and hockey ops
    Hanging out here on Kingsway

    Survived the tank
    Seen Low pull rank,
    When the swarm thing raged!
    And the results stank!

    Pleased to meet you
    Hope you guess my name, oh yeah
    Ah, what’s puzzling you
    Is the nature of my game, oh yeah

    There was no glee
    Without kings and jacks
    Fighting for the last decade,
    For wins so far away
    I shouted out,
    “Who traded Perron and Petry”
    When after all
    It was the fans and me

    Let me please introduce myself
    I’m a tall D, who can skate
    Lots of fans, especially LT’s site,
    Who stretch all the way to east Bombay!

    Pleased to meet you
    Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
    But what’s puzzling you
    Is the nature of my game, oh yeah, Yo MacT
    Pleased to meet you
    Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
    But what’s confusing you
    Is just the nature of my game

  35. khildahl says:

    Stelio Kontos,

    The 20 year old allegedly living in a frat house, the yoga instructor, and the woman whose Facebook page proudly displayed pictures of her with pot leaf clothes and flipping off the Canadian flag.

    Nothing like knowing who you’re voting for.

  36. gd says:

    If there is any chance the B’s would trade Chara to Chia, I think he might be the perfect fit for sheltering the Nurse/Klef/MM cluster as he would cost less then Seabrook. Get Dan Boyle and sign one of Niemi/Neuvirth/Rammo, buyout NN and that should be a good start to the offseason.

    I’ve also thought maybe trade Schultz for Ryan Murphy who might be a younger, cheaper and equally disappointing R shooting offensive Dman.

  37. Bar_Qu says:

    su_dhillon,

    We are blind to our weaknesses. Which is why life coach/mentors/bosses/wives exist to enlighten us to our failures.

    Don’t tell her I said that.

  38. orangepylon says:

    Woodguy:
    Martin Marincin said something to someone, I’ll go to my grave believing it.

    I heard that after getting lectured about his diet and work our regime that Marty said to Dallas “Why do you worry so much about things that are not hockey?”

    Makes sense to me. Curious. Where did you hear that?

  39. orangepylon says:

    I obviously don’t know how to quote people on this site. Sorry

  40. G Money says:

    khildahl: the woman whose Facebook page proudly displayed pictures of her with pot leaf clothes and flipping off the Canadian flag.

    Yes indeed, I have the pleasure of having this immature creature represent my area.

    (And no, I didn’t vote for her, for exactly that reason. Seems my neighbours were more intent on sending a message than using their brains)

  41. supernova says:

    Braden88: Looks like a Boyd Gordon prodigee. Centerman witih little offensive output. a full WHL career and in the end not even close to point per game. i hope he’s defensively good

    but he’s got a really good first name!

    Braden88,

    Boyd Gordon scored 81 points in 56 games and played on World Junior Squad in his Draft plus 1 year.

    also had very limited PIMs and was a first round choice.

    don’t think they are similar at all.

    Maybe a Derek Dorsett type player.

    An in your face winger that plays on the line.

  42. G Money says:

    jake70,

    Ha, well done!

  43. judgedrude says:

    Can anybody spin this positively in the Month of McDavid?

    http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/funs-over-for-frank-freshwaters-u-s-marshals-catch-fugitive-who-escaped-real-life-shawshank-in-1959

    Maybe, “A new task force was formed to search out cold cases found Stanley in the southern U.S. (who escaped Fort Northlands in 1991) and had been crisscrossing the U.S. for years. They didn’t recognize him will all the new markings, but they are determined to bring him back to his rightful residence.”

  44. Traktor says:

    We know it was about conditioning. Eakins said so when he sent him down. In the long term maybe you teach a guy a lesson and you look at it as a one-off but Eakins pretty much made the wrong decision with every decision and in hindsight MM was just another straw on the camel’s back.

    There’s players that should be moved long before MM but you gotta give to get and wouldn’t be surprised if he’s moved.

  45. linkfromhyrule says:

    G Money: Yes indeed, I have the pleasure of having this immature creature represent my area.

    (And no, I didn’t vote for her, for exactly that reason.Seems my neighbours were more intent on sending a message than using their brains)

    I voted NDP, but my candidate was none of the above. Unreal that they actually allowed some of these candidates to run. Even more ridiculous is your new MLA had a campaign manager. Multiple levels of incompetence leaving things like that up on social media when you’re running for PUBLIC office.

    I have a feeling that for the first time in my life, Alberta politics are going to get interesting….

  46. su_dhillon says:

    Bar_Qu,

    I’m married. Your story checks out.

  47. remlap says:

    linkfromhyrule: I voted NDP, but my candidate was none of the above. Unreal that they actually allowed some of these candidates to run. Even more ridiculous is your new MLA had a campaign manager. Multiple levels of incompetence leaving things like that up on social media when you’re running for PUBLIC office.

    I have a feeling that for the first time in my life, Alberta politics are going to get interesting….

    Interesting that people are freaking out about a couple of old, immature pictures on social media. Yet, other MLAs were involved with beating their wives and prostitute scandals WHILE IN OFFICE, and much less press was given.

  48. FPB94 says:

    Hey boys. I have been trying to do a couple of draft behemoth posts but I haven’t had that much time with my internship (which finishes in a week) but they`re coming up soon.

    They will be called

    Value in the Q
    USNUDP, A trojan horse?

    Btw I’ve been infected. I told a kid he was the straw stirring the drink this week. Oops.

  49. kooler says:

    any news on matt o’connor?

  50. Tire Fire says:

    G Money: Yes indeed, I have the pleasure of having this immature creature represent my area.

    (And no, I didn’t vote for her, for exactly that reason.Seems my neighbours were more intent on sending a message than using their brains)

    I suppose it depends on whether you count your vote as buying you i) an MLA who will do something for your riding, or ii) increasing the size/power of a party block in the legislature to do something for your riding and your province.

    I’ve never been in a riding where I had to make that choice and I’m not sure what I’d do, but it’s not as simple as you’ve cast it.

  51. Bag of Pucks says:

    @Jake70

    Brilliant

  52. TheGreatMutato says:

    remlap: Interesting that people are freaking out about a couple of old, immature pictures on social media. Yet, other MLAs were involved with beating their wives and prostitute scandals WHILE IN OFFICE, and much less press was given.

    People are eventually going to have to develop a thicker skin when it comes to seeing unflattering photos or evidence of other generally harmless behaviour from their candidates or newly elected officials. It’s only going to become increasingly more common.

    We now live in a world where everything is broadcast and captured for posterity. Soon, every candidate you see running for high office will have some easily accessible skeletons in their closet. Who cares if someone inhaled? Who cares if someone in their 20s or 30s at one point in time acted like someone in their 20s or 30s? There probably isn’t a person under 30 who doesn’t have some embarrassing stuff online somewhere.

    The only way to avoid these uncomfortable revelations is to vote for people who are 65+ and who haven’t yet figured out how to set the timer on their VCRs, let alone use a computer.

    And then ignore it when reports surface about them beating their wives.

  53. Stelio Kontos says:

    Tire Fire,

    I’d say that’s the major problem with the system. That and 40% of voters can make a majority. Idk how you fix it aside from proportional representation, which has its own set of problems.

  54. G Money says:

    remlap: Interesting that people are freaking out about a couple of old, immature pictures on social media. Yet, other MLAs were involved with beating their wives and prostitute scandals WHILE IN OFFICE, and much less press was given.

    Not old. Current. Oldest one that I’ve seen was 2014.

    And if any riding votes in an abuser or other cheat, they deserve all the criticism heaped upon them.

    In this particular case, none of those applied. The alternatives in this riding are all experienced and accomplished with no taint of scandal.

    So it’s clear that this vote was made blindly rather than with any aforethought as to quality or capability of the actual representative.

    If one were cynical, one might even think the NDP counted on exactly that, given that 19 out of every 20 signs in the area said “Rachel Notley” and not the name of the actual candidate. No other party used this cult of personality tactic. Unsurprisingly.

    Tire Fire: I’ve never been in a riding where I had to make that choice and I’m not sure what I’d do, but it’s not as simple as you’ve cast it.

    Not sure how that’s a simplification. It seems reasonably clear that the people voting for this candidate knew nothing about her, and were in fact voting for the party.

    You’ll have to excuse me if I think this is a foolish voting process. It shouldn’t be too much to ask to spend five minutes looking at the candidates and the issues at hand locally and factoring that into the voting equation.

    Even if you voted for the party, you (we) now have a demonstrably petulant and immature person with zero real-world experience responsible for representing the needs of this riding during the policy making process of the new government.

    I see this as a problem.

  55. stevezie says:

    After yesterday’s chats about only mentioning something when we have a complaint: I think LT really nailed it from points 18 on.

    Let’s sign two good ones and then see if we can’t just trade for a 3rd really good one.

    Marincin is a fine player but he I think he does have the lowest ceiling (of he, Nurse, Schultz and Klefbom). If he is the one traded out that’s fine, with the obvious caveat that it’s an even deal. If I am the one betting my money says we keep him and combo Schultz with next year’s first because A) as Rex pointed out Schultz has better name recognition (and shinier stats), 2) Schultz costs us more and by September we and just better need the space, and D) There’s a good chance we will sign/trade for an offensive defenceman to do Schultz’s job. If we get Green, for example, can he teach Schultz to be Green or does he just make him redundant?

  56. VOR says:

    woodguy,

    I am just headed out to try and resume seeding but before I go I have to say I don’t follow your logic. Marincin is still here. To my eye he looks better each year. He is progressing nicely. So exactly how did MacT f this kid up. There has to be more to your argument than that he didn’t mention the kid, which other posters have debunked already.

    Yesterday you were trashing MacT for waiving Lander, who took the experience as a wakeup call and put it all together and got a chance to play serious minutes in the NHL and made the most of it (note this also happened under MacT). Marincin spent time in the AHL made his way back to the NHL and played well, all under MacT.

    Is it possible you just don’t like MacT?

  57. LoDog says:

    I guess stuff like this is why Braden Christoffer was signed to Bakersfield.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wve6rmvMXbM

    Seems he hits like a truck and fights a lot for a smaller guy.

    Captain of his team as well.

  58. Rondo says:

    If Oilers do use their #16 pick and they want a D-man it will be between Jeremy Roy and Olivier Kylington

  59. Lois Lowe says:

    Ladies and gentlemen, this is not the place for election debriefs. I recognize that it is fresh in our minds but lets please remember the house rules. If we can’t agree about the Oilers, we are certainly not going to agree about politics.

  60. Stelio Kontos says:

    Lois Lowe:
    Ladies and gentlemen, this is not the place for election debriefs. I recognize that it is fresh in our minds but lets please remember the house rules. If we can’t agree about the Oilers, we are certainly not going to agree about politics.

    Sorry MOM!!!

  61. rickithebear says:

    Player Cap
    Hit
    Eberle, Jordan 6
    Hall, Taylor 6
    Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan 6
    Purcell, Teddy 4.5
    Pouliot, Benoit 4
    Connar Mcdavid 3.75
    Draisaitl, Leon 3.4
    Gordon, Boyd 3
    Yakupov, Nail 2.5
    Hendricks, Matt 1.85
    Lander, Anton 0.988
    Yakimov, Bogdan 0.925
    Gazdic, Luke 0.8
    Klinkhammer, Rob 0.725
    14FWD 44.438

    Nikitin, Nikita 4.5
    Fayne, Mark 3.625
    Ference, Andrew 3.25
    Nurse, Darnell 1.713
    Klefbom, Oscar 1.244
    Marincin, Martin 0
    Schultz, Justin 0
    5D 14.332

    Brossoit, Laurent 0.925
    Scrivens, Ben 2.3
    2G 3.225

    Total Cap 61.995

  62. Bag of Pucks says:

    Speaking of Cult of Personality, noticed the NDP’s campaign team was called ‘Notley Crew.’

    Does this mean our premier’s the one they call ‘Dr Feelgood?’

    Albertans definitely told the PCs “Don’t go away mad, just go away.”

  63. bendelson says:

    Lois Lowe:
    Ladies and gentlemen, this is not the place for election debriefs. I recognize that it is fresh in our minds but lets please remember the house rules. If we can’t agree about the Oilers, we are certainly not going to agree about politics.

    But, but… it’s so tempting to enter the fray.

    As per usual, you are correct Lois.
    McDavid changed everything – except the house rules.

  64. vinotintazo says:

    rickithebear:
    PlayerCapHit
    Eberle, Jordan6
    Hall, Taylor6
    Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan6
    Purcell, Teddy4.5
    Pouliot, Benoit4
    Connar Mcdavid3.75
    Draisaitl, Leon3.4
    Gordon, Boyd3
    Yakupov, Nail2.5
    Hendricks, Matt1.85
    Lander, Anton0.988
    Yakimov, Bogdan0.925
    Gazdic, Luke0.8
    Klinkhammer, Rob0.725
    14FWD 44.438

    Nikitin, Nikita4.5
    Fayne, Mark3.625
    Ference, Andrew3.25
    Nurse, Darnell1.713
    Klefbom, Oscar1.244
    Marincin, Martin0
    Schultz, Justin0
    5D14.332

    Brossoit, Laurent0.925
    Scrivens, Ben2.3
    2G3.225

    Total Cap 61.995

    You can apply the bonuses from McDavid and Draisaitl to the 2016, when Purcell and Nikitin and Gordon’s cap are long gone!.

    that way we can sign a good Goalie. and a Dman

    I’d keep nurse and draisaitl in the AHL.

    promote Davidson, since he has to clear waivers.

  65. rickithebear says:

    linkfromhyrule: I voted NDP, but my candidate was none of the above. Unreal that they actually allowed some of these candidates to run. Even more ridiculous is your new MLA had a campaign manager. Multiple levels of incompetence leaving things like that up on social media when you’re running for PUBLIC office.

    I have a feeling that for the first time in my life, Alberta politics are going to get interesting….

    The innocence of political honesty.

    My Ex wife was the note taker at “Unit the right” in Windemere.

    They actually had to discuss wether MLa’s 2 term and then Mp 2 term and Visa Versa might get a negative Perception.

    PS:
    To paraphase your point!
    You are saying,”You are not a good politician unless you are lying!”

    Sounds like most Hockey GM’s!

  66. Pajamah says:

    This whole NDP thing is not unlike hockey in the way we tried to send a message to the rat bastard PC’s.

    You will not play the game this way, and if you do, we will take your head off. We wanted to level them, but instead we left our feet and put our elbow into the side of their heads and knocked them out cold.

    And now we sit here, suspended for 4 years, going “what the hell did we just do?”

  67. Yeti says:

    G Money: Even if you voted for the party, you (we) now have a demonstrably petulant and immature person with zero real-world experience responsible for representing the needs of this riding during the policy making process of the new government.

    Yeah, but does she know a little bit about winning, if there’s ever a concern?

  68. blainer says:

    vinotintazo: You can apply the bonuses from McDavid and Draisaitl to the 2016, when Purcell and Nikitin and Gordon’s cap are long gone!.

    that way we can sign a good Goalie. and a Dman

    I’d keep nurse and draisaitl in the AHL.

    promote Davidson, since he has to clear waivers.

    Buyout at least Ference and maybe NN.. Trade Shultz. That gives us lots of room..

  69. Lois Lowe says:

    Stelio Kontos,

    Truth be told, I LOVE politics and this election was fascinating on so many levels. I had a very inside connection to the Prentice camp during his run for leadership, his time in office, and the provincial campaign.

    I’m doing a lot of talking and analysis, just not here out of respect for our gracious host. He’s on radio currently so I’m stepping in to remind us all about the rules of engagement here. I don’t mean to single anyone out or comment directly on their views. That’s what Twitter is for.

  70. vinotintazo says:

    blainer: Buyout at leastFerence and maybe NN.. Trade Shultz. That gives us lots of room..

    easier said than done.

  71. blainer says:

    vinotintazo: easier said than done.

    Agreed. But this was the mostly LT’s idea from this post and I like it. If we hadn’t of hired Chia I would say no way this happens.. but with the new sheriff in town ya just never know…

  72. Stelio Kontos says:

    Lois Lowe,

    I appreciate what you were trying to do, but it’s the dog days of summer (well as an oilers fan…sob), and it’s a minor topic in the thread. We’re all adults here, just look the other way. If theres a legitimate problem, then deal with it.

  73. Gally says:

    Several have mentioned over a few posts that Marincin needs to spend the summer in the weight room. Iirc, he did that last summer and came to camp 15lbs heavier, which slower him down a bit, but he was at home, not the Oilers weight room, so they(MacT/Eakins/etc) cried party foul when they were already trying to short his stock.

  74. Cahoon says:

    jake70,

    With that kind of well done parodies, you could be the next Weird Al!

    That was amazing, it made my day!

  75. G Money says:

    Lois Lowe,

    I seem to recall from a few days ago that the conclusion was that the politics banter, as long as it didn’t get out of hand either in volume or in tone (I believe it’s fair to say that it’s the potential for holy war that’s the concern, less so than the topic), wasn’t really much different from discussions of music, whiskey, BBQ, etc.

    But a good reminder, as that conclusion may still violate house rules!

    Yeti: Yeah, but does she know a little bit about winning, if there’s ever a concern?

    Winning, not sure. Whining, quite skilled it appears!

  76. Lois Lowe says:

    Stelio Kontos,

    You’re new here, so I am going to remain polite and simply remind you that I don’t make the house rules, LT does. It’s always been this way and it always will be.

    You keep trying shift the conversation into politics (and I have reminded you once or twice before). It’s nothing personal, it’s just the convention here. It’s not about being adults, it’s about respecting LT and the community here.

  77. G Money says:

    Pajamah,

    LOL, nice hockey analogy.

    Babcock for Prime Minister!

    McDavid for Mayor!

  78. Kmart99 says:

    G Money,

    Not sure it’s fair to extrapolate an accurate personality description based on 2 or 3 photos with really nothing wrong. A pot leaf? Oh no! Flipping off the flag? What does that even tell you?

    Says she is too inexperienced and young to recognize what kinds of pics to post when you’re running for office.

    But regarding her personality? Nothing accurate can be assumed based on those pics.

    She is too young and inexperienced for this definitely, and it’s unfortunate that so many ppl just voted party instead of looking at the person repping their area, but how is that her fault? But what do those pics have to do with it?

    Honestly, this tells me more about the people spreading the pics and writing the articles than it does about Drever.

    The pics are NBD IMO. The lack of research done by voters is a bigger concern. The lack of experience for Drever is a bigger concern. The pics? Nope.

    Anyways… Back to hockey talk

  79. vinotintazo says:

    blainer: Agreed. But this was the mostly LT’s idea from this post and I like it. If we hadn’t of hired Chia I would say no way this happens.. but with the new sheriff in town ya just never know…

    Hey I’m all for Chia changing the D Corps… I really hope he does, but untill he does, next year’s D will look something like this:

    Klefboom-Schultz (Eze minutes)
    Nikitin-Fayne (burried 10 feet under)
    Marincin-Ference (what ever is left)
    Davidson (popcorn guy, injury replacement)

    Nurse (AHL)

  80. Gally says:

    linkfromhyrule:

    I don’t think PC is coming in here believing he can truly value the opinions of any of the previous management. Would you listen to the architects of the worst performing franchise of the last 9 years if you were coming in to supposedly right the ship? I would listen to their opinions, but take everything with a bucketload of salt. Take note of what they say, and figure out who is feeding BS narratives.

    If you can’t value your self professed number two’s input, then you Turf him, or make him your number six or seven. Players and management are the same thing, just with different roles.

  81. Lowetide says:

    Hi, all. Just dropping by to respectfully request that we refrain from political talk. Thanks!

  82. Kmart99 says:

    Lowetide,

    Can we talk PC? 😉

  83. wheatnoil says:

    Todd Nelson will interview for the Oilers head coaching job this weekend. Obviously, Chiarelli wants to get to know Nelson a bit better…— Darren Dreger (@DarrenDreger) May 7, 2015

    Nelson still has term remaining on his AHL contract, but if not a fit in Edmonton it's expected he will attract other NHL interest.— Darren Dreger (@DarrenDreger) May 7, 2015

    I enjoy that we get access to these snippets of news, though I do wonder how New Jersey was able to keep secret the whole Shero hiring until the announcement where as the Oilers brass can’t seem to use the urinal without a leak to the media.

  84. Kmart99 says:

    wheatnoil:
    I enjoy that we get access to these snippets of news, though I do wonder how New Jersey was able to keep secret the whole Shero hiring until the announcement where as the Oilers brass can’t seem to use the urinal without a leak to the media.

    That was the one and only thing I liked about Tambo. Kept his cards close.

  85. OrangeandBlue says:

    vinotintazo,

    Wow, I’ve been feeling a good buzz thinking about center depth and then look at that D corps and it really sobers me up. I really do hope that we keep Marincin though because it would be great to have a reliable worker on the backend that wouldn’t create any cap issues in a few years.

  86. blainer says:

    vinotintazo: Hey I’m all for Chia changing the D Corps… I really hope he does, but untill he does, next year’s D will look something like this:

    Klefboom-Schultz (Eze minutes)
    Nikitin-Fayne (burried 10 feet under)
    Marincin-Ference (what ever is left)
    Davidson (popcorn guy, injury replacement)

    Nurse (AHL)

    If that happens we are back in the lottery.. Unless they find a Goaltender with super powers.. big ones.. like beyond superman..

  87. Kmart99 says:

    Mark it down, because of his super low market value, Phaneuf will almost certainly be an Oiler next year.

    Phaneuf, Sekera, Martin…. Cap would be an issue tho.

    Would love to see Petry come right back.

  88. Gally says:

    vinotintazo: You can apply the bonuses from McDavid and Draisaitl to the 2016, when Purcell and Nikitin and Gordon’s cap are long gone!.

    that way we can sign a good Goalie. and a Dman

    I’d keep nurse and draisaitl in the AHL.

    promote Davidson, since he has to clear waivers.

    Sure, you can push the bonuses to next year, but then you’re throwing away over $5M in cap space, which might be what you need to replace all those players. The only time pushing money forward makes sense is when you literally have no other options, or if your in a sport with non guaranteed contracts.

  89. Gally says:

    wheatnoil,

    Leak in the office. Which is another reason they needed to “fire everybody”. Because you’re right, if Chiarelli is hanging to the right one day instead of the left when he pees, it seems to get out, and has for years.

  90. blainer says:

    OrangeandBlue:
    vinotintazo,

    Wow, I’ve been feeling a good buzz thinking about center depth and then look at that D corps and it really sobers me up.I really do hope that we keep Marincin though because it would be great to have a reliable worker on the backend that wouldn’t create any cap issues in a few years.

    Ya what a difference a year makes. Just last year we had serious problems in the middle.. This year we have Nuge CMD Lander Gordon Dry Yak2 Kaira etc… If we can just fix the D.. I know one thing ..Our prospect pool will be massive after this draft if we keep most of the picks. For trade purposes this year I would use our 2nd and next years first..

  91. Kosmo Kraemer says:

    I’m just hoping that Chi doesn’t believe everything MacT tells him. I’m fully onboard with trading Marincin if that helps bring in a minimum of a number two defenseman to play with Fayne.. Hopefully that duo could do the job. Its a minimum of one high ranked D as well as a Anderson caliber goalie as well. The once Chi gets into the season a bit he will be able to see for himself what else needs changing.

    Also very happy about Chi meeting with Nelson.

  92. Ca$h-Money! says:

    wheatnoil,

    We have about 10x as strong a fan base as New Jersey.

    Plus in Jersey you don’t ask people about their business.

  93. thejonrmcleod says:

    For clarity’s sake, what topics are off limits here?

  94. Pajamah says:

    G Money,

    Something something, blue to orange.

    And if anyone asks. I’m talking about hockey and Oilers new McDavid jerseys.

  95. Optimism is like heroin says:

    rickithebear,

    with this cap hit when we look there is just not enough money in the kitty to add the players that we need to make a turn around. If you figure that we would like to see 4 different forwards, 3 different defense and another goalie, there will need to be more trades than free agents signed. Buyouts are an option but they just deffer things. I feel we will see some changes but this is the year they need to clear some cap to set us up for the next 5 years.

  96. Pajamah says:

    thejonrmcleod:
    For clarity’s sake, what topics are off limits here?

    Religion, Sex, Politics, and the Flames.

  97. Woodguy says:

    jake70:
    MM strolling around Kingsway offices, bongos playing in backgroud….
    (started humming this one day after a Marincin comment on here)

    Please allow me to introduce myself
    I’m a tall man who can skate
    I’ve been around for a long, long year
    Riding planes and interstates
    And I was ’round when young linus
    Scored his five goals, in a game
    Witnessed those Oilers who sure
    Washed their hands and sealed his fate

    Pleased to meet you
    Hope you guess my name
    But what’s puzzling you
    Is the nature of my game

    I stuck around here in Edmonton
    Nelly saw’ttime for a change
    Stuck it to MacT and hockey ops
    Hanging out here on Kingsway

    Survived the tank
    Seen Low pull rank,
    When the swarm thing raged!
    And the results stank!

    Pleased to meet you
    Hope you guess my name, oh yeah
    Ah, what’s puzzling you
    Is the nature of my game, oh yeah

    There was no glee
    Without kings and jacks
    Fighting for the last decade,
    For wins so far away
    I shouted out,
    “Who traded Perron and Petry”
    When after all
    It was the fans and me

    Let me please introduce myself
    I’m a tall D, who can skate
    Lots of fans, especially LT’s site,
    Who stretch all the way to east Bombay!

    Pleased to meet you
    Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
    But what’s puzzling you
    Is the nature of my game, oh yeah,Yo MacT
    Pleased to meet you
    Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
    But what’s confusing you
    Is just the nature of my game

    Out..Freaking…Standing!!!

  98. Lowetide says:

    thejonrmcleod:
    For clarity’s sake, what topics are off limits here?

    Really just politics. I’ve found religious conversations here to be very interesting, but politics gets crazy. NOTE: fine to talk ancient politics, like Trudeau in 1968 or Jimmy Carter in 1986.

  99. Jon K says:

    Lowetide: Really just politics. I’ve found religious conversations here to be very interesting, but politics gets crazy. NOTE: fine to talk ancient politics, like Trudeau in 1968 or Jimmy Carter in 1986.

    This is a relief. Speaking for myself, it makes it hard to read the comments here when politics are involved. The natural instinct is to rail against a contrary view and all hell breaks loose.

  100. FPB94 says:

    Yeah please no politics over here. It always ends terribly. Nothing to gain here.

  101. Pajamah says:

    So, how about that Martin Marincin kid?

    I’m setting my jersey purchase date for July 3rd 2016. If he makes it that long, he’ll be here forever.

  102. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Lowetide: NOTE: fine to talk ancient politics, like Trudeau in 1968 or Jimmy Carter in 1986.

    Or Nero in 64 AD or Augustus in 4 BCE…

  103. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide: Really just politics. I’ve found religious conversations here to be very interesting, but politics gets crazy. NOTE: fine to talk ancient politics, like Trudeau in 1968 or Jimmy Carter in 1986.

    Are you crazy!? 1968 led to the FLQ Crisis, while Jimmy Carter fucked everything up in the Middle East so much that they had to turn to an ex ham actor named Ronald Reagan+his adorable wife Nancy.

  104. thejonrmcleod says:

    Lowetide: Really just politics. I’ve found religious conversations here to be very interesting, but politics gets crazy. NOTE: fine to talk ancient politics, like Trudeau in 1968 or Jimmy Carter in 1986.

    Thanks. I’ve been tempted to bring up religion, but I’ve mostly resisted so far.

  105. hunter1909 says:

    Jon K: This is a relief. Speaking for myself, it makes it hard to read the comments here when politics are involved. The natural instinct is to rail against a contrary view and all hell breaks loose.

    Nine years out of the playoffs under the KLowe+MacT Show can do that to it’s fans.

  106. hunter1909 says:

    Does anyone have an exact date when Lowe+MacT first took over the Oilers? I just recall starting to listen to the team when Moreau was a third liner, Doug Weight was planning to pack his bags, Tom Poti was about to turn into Mike York and Dallas were the bad guys.

    In other words, Lowe+MacT have always run the Oilers.

  107. G Money says:

    hunter1909,

    I can’t recall if it was 1999 when Lowe became HC, or 2000 when he became GM, but one of those years, the Flames were in the running to hire Lowe for the same role.

    I remember some of my Flame fan buddies (I know, that term shouldn’t actually exist) being disappointed/pissed off that they didn’t get him.

    I find it amusing to remember this.

  108. Lowetide says:

    hunter1909:
    Does anyone have an exact date when Lowe+MacT first took over the Oilers? I just recall starting to listen to the team when Moreau was a third liner, Doug Weight was planning to pack his bags, Tom Poti was about to turn into Mike York and Dallas were the bad guys.

    In other words, Lowe+MacT have always run the Oilers.

    Lowe took the GM job, June 2000? I think that’s right.

  109. prairieschooner says:

    I was extremely disappointed when the Oilers found such an influential position for MacT.
    The professional thing to do was to clean house.If the new GM could not find the key to the executive washroom then the Oilers hired the wrong guy.Heck Eakins didn’t even have to watch any game film to have his opinion on what was wrong with the oilers
    And what chance does Marincin have when MAcT is asked for an opinion on MM
    Can anyone tell me why Charlie Huddy was let go?

  110. jimmers2 says:

    prairieschooner,

    Huddy was sent packing in the housecleaning following MacTavish’s departure as coach (2009). He was gone when Pat Quinn was hired, as I recall anyway.

    The instincts of many then was that it was a mistake… been paying in spades ever since.

  111. Masamax says:

    Fine to talk about ancient politics?

    So what is everyone’s opinion on Pericles; corrupt kleptocratic rat or patriot?

    prairieschooner:
    I was extremely disappointed when the Oilers found such an influential position for MacT.
    The professional thing to do was to clean house.If the new GM could not find the key to the executive washroom then the Oilers hired the wrong guy.Heck Eakins didn’t even have to watch any game film to have his opinion on what was wrong with the oilers
    And what chance does Marincin have whenMAcT is asked for an opinion on MM
    Can anyone tell me why Charlie Huddy was let go?

    Letting go of Huddy was probably a mistake, but this was part of the same purge that saw MacT’s first departure, so likely related to that.

  112. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide: Lowe took the GM job, June 2000? I think that’s right.

    When did MacT appear? HOW did he appear??

  113. hunter1909 says:

    Masamax: Fine to talk about ancient politics?
    So what is everyone’s opinion on Pericles; corrupt kleptocratic rat or patriot?

    I thought Pericles was a fish.

    *high school dropout*

  114. hunter1909 says:

    Appears the internet thinks McDavid won’t help the Oilers get into the playoffs.

    lol

  115. Tire Fire says:

    G Money:

    Not sure how that’s a simplification.It seems reasonably clear that the people voting for this candidate knew nothing about her, and were in fact voting for the party.

    I’m saying it’s an oversimplification to suggest that people have to vote only for the candidate, rather than for the party, or are guilty of not “using their brains.” Just because they came to a different conclusion than you doesn’t mean they didn’t use their brains 🙂

  116. hunter1909 says:

    If Mrs. Babcock turns down the chance for Mike to coach Oilers 2.0 Dynasty in the shiny new ice palace…

  117. hunter1909 says:

    Tire Fire: I’m saying it’s an oversimplification to suggest that people have to vote only for the candidate, rather than for the party, or are guilty of not “using their brains.”Just because they came to a different conclusion than you doesn’t mean they didn’t use their brains

    Politics makes hot air.

  118. hunter1909 says:

    Redford’s stench permeated the election. I don’t even live in Alberta to know that.

  119. MightyOil1 says:

    prairieschooner,

    Exactly. Any logic that leads to advice suggesting that Shultz is Norris caliber, Maricin is out of shape, Buckberger is a bridge to the dynasty teams, Petry is soft, and Horcoff should be on Team Canada should be set aside. And that’s before you every let Howsen get a word in.

  120. russ99 says:

    I don’t buy at all that Chiarelli will listen to MacT’s bad advice on defensemen and dump that “lazy Euro” organizational bias when it comes to Marincin.

    Chiarelli was a scout in Ottawa when they acquired Chara. From Wikipedia: “The Senators knew from observation that Chára would be a reliable defender, and were also aware that he was growing into his body and improving his skills each year.”

    Not saying Marincin will turn into Chara, but he will at least turn into a reliable middle pairing D and when he gets filled out, the hitting and physicality will come.

  121. rickithebear says:

    thejonrmcleod:
    For clarity’s sake, what topics are off limits here?

    The Level of suck of:
    Corsi%!
    Petry and Schultz box protection!
    Janet Jones!
    He who shall not be named!
    Dubnyk prior to Eakins.

    The wisdom of:
    Cameron Abney’s truculance!
    Drafting as many oil kings as possible!
    Dallas eakins coaching!
    PC’s snow like trades!

  122. Pajamah says:

    hunter1909: I thought Pericles was a fish.

    *high school dropout*

    Pericles is also an owl in the newest iteration of Scooby Doo.

    *yep*

  123. Eastern Oil says:

    Other items that may not be talked about on this fine blog as well:

    1. Scarlett Johansson’s relationship status, she is forever single on here.
    2. Any increase (potential or real) in the price of scotch due to any reason.
    3. If the Flames win the Cup it shall only be referred to as “the event that shall not be named”

  124. Woodguy says:

    VOR:
    woodguy,

    I am just headed out to try and resume seeding but before I go I have to say I don’t follow your logic. Marincin is still here. To my eye he looks better each year. He is progressing nicely. So exactly how did MacT f this kid up. There has to be more to your argument than that he didn’t mention the kid, which other posters have debunked already.

    Yesterday you were trashing MacT for waiving Lander, who took the experience as a wakeup call and put it all together and got a chance to play serious minutes in the NHL and made the most of it (note this also happened under MacT). Marincin spent time in the AHL made his way back to the NHL and played well, all under MacT.

    Is it possible you just don’t like MacT?

    No one was a bigger fan of MacT than me.

    That used to be a criticism of me on this site.

    I even called MacT as the next GM before he was back as VP.

    I’m just very disappointed in how he handled the roster.

    Marincin is the epitome of this.

    You are free to think what you want, as am I.

  125. SwedishPoster says:

    Eastern Oil:
    Other items that may not be talked about on this fine blog as well:

    1.Scarlett Johansson’s relationship status, she is forever single on here.
    2.Any increase (potential or real) in the price of scotch due to any reason.
    3.If the Flames win the Cup it shall only be referred to as “the event that shall not be named”

    Glad you told me because I was just about to tell you guys about how I went to ScarJo’s wedding last week and chugged down a really expensive bottle of scotch, used to cost half of that a few months ago, the reason for my drinking was how they kept showing Flames cupwinning goal on a big monitor. Strange wedding indeed. Oh and she married Zack Kassian.

    Does this mean I’m banned?

  126. spoiler says:

    hunter1909:
    Redford’s stench permeated the election. I don’t even live in Alberta to know that.

    I don’t think the election lacked for skeletons, lol. In the end it bit the idiots in the ass and the imbeciles won. (And the other parties are just as icky.)

    Democracy has been effed up for a long time… people don’t realize that without economic freedom, political freedom is mere lip service… an illusion of choice. A concept that is deliberately ignored by our education system, which is brought to you by your… government.

    Many people also don’t realize that the right to bear arms is in the US Constitution to protect citizens not from each other, but from their government. The notion of government as a necessary evil has been whitewashed from textbooks.

    Instead we have the prevailing notion of government as Mother or Saviour… watching carefully over us all lol…

    People were blaming the present economic shambles on the idiot PCs, as if the price of oil was completely irrelevant. As if Federal money printing and ZIRP policies don’t have an effect. When (or if) the price returns to its former heights, one presumes the government of the day will get accolades for saving the economy.

    Madness.

  127. thejonrmcleod says:

    SwedishPoster,

    Which denomination was the minister who performed the ceremony?

  128. spoiler says:

    SwedishPoster: Glad you told me because I was just about to tell you guys about how I went to ScarJo’s wedding last week and chugged down a really expensive bottle of scotch, used to cost half of that a few months ago, the reason for my drinking was how they kept showing Flames cupwinning goal on a big monitor. Strange wedding indeed. Oh and she married Zack Kassian.

    Does this mean I’m banned?

    thejonrmcleod:

    Which denomination was the minister who performed the ceremony?

    LMAO!!!

  129. theres oil in virginia says:

    SwedishPoster: Glad you told me because I was just about to tell you guys about how I went to ScarJo’s wedding last week and chugged down a really expensive bottle of scotch, used to cost half of that a few months ago, the reason for my drinking was how they kept showing Flames cupwinning goal on a big monitor. Strange wedding indeed. Oh and she married Zack Kassian.

    Does this mean I’m banned?

    Depends. How many wrong does it take to make a right? (I’ve been told it’s not two, so I’m under the impression that it must be more.)

  130. Lowetide says:

    thejonrmcleod:
    SwedishPoster,

    Which denomination was the minister who performed the ceremony?

    Ha!

  131. SwedishPoster says:

    thejonrmcleod,

    Not sure. But it was Kassian getting married so some kind of worshipping of satan was certainly going on.

  132. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: NOTE: fine to talk ancient politics, like Trudeau in 1968 or Jimmy Carter in 1986.

    Ancient? Um, not to be impolite but weren’t you alive during Trudeau’s election there LT?

    It’s funny but when I read the phrase “ancient politics” I imagine Caesar v Cato or the ostracism of Aristides.

    You weren’t around for those ones were you? Because now I’m picturing The Hockey News Draft Edition on a papyrus scroll and waiting for an epic rant on how hard it was to read boxcars on a prospect in roman numerals.

    😉

  133. RexLibris says:

    thejonrmcleod:
    SwedishPoster,

    Which denomination was the minister who performed the ceremony?

    If they were showing a Flames cup-winning goal, I’d guess the Church of Satan.

  134. G Money says:

    hunter1909: When did MacT appear? HOW did he appear??

    He was hired by Lowe as an assistant coach in 1999 when Lowe became head coach, replacing Low. Lowe joined the Oilers in 98 as an assistant to Low. MacT became HC when Lowe became GM.

    I will leave the Low and Lower jokes as an exercise for the reader.

  135. BustedSoulO says:

    Stelio Kontos,

    No, Lois is right.
    I spent a couple of hours this morning sifting through the election fallout and came HERE to get away from it.
    “Rules Of Engagement” are just that, not “Suggestions of Engagement”.
    You wouldn’t want me judging your hockey opinions differently because of your political leanings, now would you?

  136. theres oil in virginia says:

    spoiler: I don’t think the election lacked for skeletons, lol. In the end it bit the idiots in the ass and the imbeciles won.And the other parties were just as icky.

    Democracy has been effed up for a long time…people don’t realize that without economic freedom, political freedom is mere lip service… an illusion of choice.A concept that is deliberately ignored by our education system, which is brought to you by your… government.

    Many people also don’t realize that the right to bear arms is in the US Constitution to protect citizens not from each other, but from their government.The notion of government as a necessary evil has been whitewashed from textbooks.

    Instead we have the prevailing notion of government as Mother or Saviour… watching carefully over us all lol…

    People were blaming the present economic shambles on the idiot PCs, as if the price of oil was completely irrelevant.As if Federal money printing and ZIRP policies don’t have an effect.When (or if) the price returns to its former heights, one presumes the government of the day will get accolades for saving the economy.

    Madness.

    Objection!

  137. G Money says:

    spoiler: ZIRP

    I for one welcome our new ZIRP overlords.

    Although what we actually have for savings accounts is NIRP – aka bank fees.

  138. Tire Fire says:

    spoiler

    Many people also don’t realize that the right to bear arms is in the US Constitution to protect citizens not from each other, but from their government.The notion of government as a necessary evil has been whitewashed from textbooks.

    Instead we have the prevailing notion of government as Mother or Saviour… watching carefully over us all lol…

    I don”t know man, I learned a lot about the origin of the U.S. right-to-bear-arms laws and the notion of government as an infringement on our rights that we only allow because it protects us from bigger rights violations. None of that was “whitewashed” from any of the textbooks I used in Alberta.

    Agree 9000000% about people mistaking economic boom/bust states with the quality of the govt. that happens to be present then. Not sure why that is, lack of interest and education on the subject I guess.

  139. jimmers2 says:

    thejonrmcleod,

    What demonination?

    Why, Corsi, of course!

  140. RexLibris says:

    Tire Fire: Not sure why that is, lack of interest and education on the subject I guess.

    This is part and parcel of human nature and the desire to assign blame for external conditions on a variant of an external body to which we have some form of recourse.

    There are extremely complex mechanics that go into economic cycles and rather than assign a modicum of blame that dissipates the anger by spreading it around to a dozen different items we try to focus it on a particular location.

    Those who can grasp the impact of all these players will sometimes seek political office but usually don’t get very far because they seek nuanced solutions to problems that the public perceives as being absolute.

    For all of our wonderful accomplishments, we are, in the end, still only the smartest monkeys on the planet.

  141. BustedSoulO says:

    spoiler,

    Amen.
    Have you read “Revolution” by Russell Brand, by any chance?
    🙂

  142. sliderule says:

    The critical talk I hear about Marty seems to be more in the seen him bad.

    This includes guys who write for Cult of Hockey.

    Since Marty went back to help in OK city I have read how Davidson is playing better than him.The boxes don’t seem to show this but maybe they have access to information and folks I don’t.

    There was even a certain amount of this when he was with the oilers when I would read markings on his performance and wonder whether I watched the same game.

    When you look at his oiler enhanced stats he looks like a good player.

    This is a player who hasn’t shown much offence but in junior he displayed offensive instincts that seem to take a while to emerge for some players when they reach Nhl.

    I just hope Chiarelli gives him a chance because his age fits perfect fo Connor.

  143. GCW_69 says:

    gmac2412:
    Anyone think that Chiarelli may seek opinion from MM’s international buddy Chara rather than listening to MacT (who can find the proverbial decent defensive forward at the bottom of the Ocean, but can’t seem to evaluate D-men if his life depended on it!!)?

    I suspect Chara would have an opinion on a countryman playing the same position and hopefully has some first hand knowledge of him from Slovak national team games.

    I was thinking the same thing. One of the good things Eakins reportedly did was all Chara to take Marincin under his wing. So, Chara should have a view.

  144. Hammers says:

    Funny thing is M.M.has been one of my favourites for a few years so I get a bit pissed when I keep seeing him labeled as one of the young group who may go . The thing is not all players are treated equally and those thinking they are start reevaluating as there not . Labels good and bad get attached to players , all players. The job of management and coaches is to sift through the bull and make accurate decisions on what you have .that happens to be the main reason many a good to great player slips through and that is on management .

  145. AsiaOil says:

    Trading Marincin with #16 is insane if the same player can be had by trading the #16 with Schultz. As others have said – MM is going to be exactly what we need when the cap issues hit in a few years. MacT was a terrible GM (and Lowe before him) because he cannot recognizes his biases (and find ways to neutralize these) and he allows his emotions cloud his judgement on players. These are poison to effective management and leads to decisions like Dubnyk, Petry, Nikitin, Acton, and of course MM. This cannot continue if the Oilers are to become a competitive team – and letting MacT hang around while trying to find another job better be the only reason he’s still employed by the team.

  146. Klima's_Bucket says:

    GCW_69: So, Chara should have a view.

    What doesn’t Chara have a view of?

  147. Pouzar says:

    Eric (12 wins) ‏@ericrsports 5m5 minutes ago
    #OKCBarons Game One lines:
    R.Hamilton-Williams-C.Hamilton
    Winquist-Stretch-Miller
    K.Jones-C.Jones-Ford
    Moroz-Khaira-Winchester

  148. Pouzar says:

    Eric (12 wins) ‏@ericrsports 6m6 minutes ago
    #OKCBarons Game One d-pairs:
    Hunt-Davidson
    Simpson-Musil
    Marincin-Oesterle

  149. blainer says:

    Pouzar:
    Eric (12 wins) ‏@ericrsports6m6 minutes ago
    #OKCBarons Game One d-pairs:
    Hunt-Davidson
    Simpson-Musil
    Marincin-Oesterle

    What No Nurse…

  150. Pouzar says:

    blainer,

    Neal ‏@tweetneal 7m7 minutes ago
    Gerry Fleming on not starting Nurse – “we will let him acclimate a little more before getting him in.” #okcbarons

  151. blainer says:

    Pouzar:
    blainer,

    Neal ‏@tweetneal7m7 minutes ago
    Gerry Fleming on not starting Nurse – “we will let him acclimate a little more before getting him in.” #okcbarons

    wow.. that does not sound good.. he obviously does not have enough confidence in play during practice I guess.. Lousy stream for hockey streams also..

  152. Lowetide says:

    blainer: wow.. that does not sound good.. he obviously does not have enough confidence in play during practice I guess.. Lousy stream for hockey streams also..

    A coach wanting to go with his most veteran lineup in the first game of an important series is fairly routine.

  153. Rip Fan Winkle "OilOnslaught" says:

    De

    khildahl:
    Stelio Kontos,

    The 20 year old allegedly living in a frat house, the yoga instructor, and the woman whose Facebook page proudly displayed pictures of her with pot leaf clothes and flipping off the Canadian flag.

    Nothing like knowing who you’re voting for.

    Democracy – beautiful ugly

  154. coolwasabi says:

    I like MacT.

    But then you think about what he said about JSchultz. And what he didn’t say about Marincin (he didn’t even acknowledge him!). And how he handled Petry. And what he continues to say about Nikitin. And what he said about Dubynk. And what he said about Leon. And then what he did with Leon.

    And then I realize that I don’t really like him much anymore. And question why he’s still here as the #2.

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