RE 14-15 CRAIG MACTAVISH: JUST AIN’T EASY

Craig MacTavish had a bad year. The lack of urgency that sabotaged Steve Tambellini’s time in office plagued MacT,  and led to his career as Oilers GM being the shortest since Larry Gordon. There is so much in this change of power, so many angles, the mind boggles. Where to begin?

  1. I thought he had more time. So did he.
  2. You had high hopes. So did he.
  3. What, in the end, was the problem? Craig MacTavish hurt the team with many of his decisions, in some cases setting the organization back substantially. At the same time, he didn’t make enough good decisions and his verbal got him in trouble from the start of the process. Bold, Devan Dubnyk, challenging Jeff Petry, the entire thread of Justin Schultz verbal. Craig MacTavish is a smart man but his record as GM suggests he was either not ready, or will never be ready.
  4. Things seemed to bite him in the ass a lot. MacT talked a fabulous game, but there are 29 pirates representing the other NHL teams.
  5. When did you start to worry? The first worry came over the Clarkson almost signing, but the Gordon contracts and the Perron trade suggested things were going in a good direction. MacT’s short time as GM was like being stuck in a rut: You feel some momentum, maybe things are going to work out, and then Jeff Petry gets traded.
  6. You approached it from the pov that MacT was going to succeed eventually, despite the inexperience. Yes. As I mentioned, there were signs that things were going in a good, or better, direction. Of course, there was always that damnable lack of urgency and that, more than anything, cost MacT his job.
  7. In your opinion. No, I think we can state with authority that the Oilers management group lost their jobs because they simply had no clue about the anger and rage from the fanbase—plus the media and much of the rest of the NHL, is my guess. It’s been exactly forever since the Oilers played a game that mattered, and still MacT spoke about small improvement for next season.
  8. What was the last straw? There were three things that happened this season that changed my view on MacT as a GM. First, there was no center acquired in the summer to give cover. I know there was (apparently) a deal in place for a C but he never arrived and it really was two C’s and mud. Clearly Craig MacTavish decided Leon Draisaitl was ready, and he was not.
  9. Second thing? He fired Dallas Eakins without ever giving him a balanced team and that’s a shame. After all those years Craig MacTavish coached a team that was undermanned—then firing the coach for his own missteps? Terrible.
  10. Maybe he was forced to fire Eakins. Doesn’t matter. He should have resigned.
  11. Brave talk from the man with nothing on the line. True. Doesn’t change the strength of my argument.
  12. Third thing? The ‘we challenged him’ verbal on the Petry situation. That’s a tell, he and the organization as they currently are constructed in the front office, cannot tell their ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to identifying defensemen.
  13. Well! Colorful language. Old timey phrase. It’s not that bad.
  14. I think you’re being too hard on him. I’m sure he felt there would be a larger canvas, but for me he fell victim to that noxious Oilers management tendency to think they are the smartest men in the room. All of the constituencies are in and the votes have been tabulated: The Edmonton Oilers are not, in fact, the smartest men in the room.
  15. Can we move on? Where? The Nikitin deal?
  16. How will you remember MacT? Great checking center, outstanding. Very capable and intelligent coach who reached the steps of glory with the only well constructed team he would ever coach. A plodding general manager who may well have developed into a capable executive but there was simply no way to invest another year in the GM’s development.
  17. Can we talk about Peter Chiarelli now? Yes.
  18. How much can he do in one summer? He can do a lot this summer, and he must.
  19. He must? Yes.
  20. Please explain. You only get one chance to make a first impression, and the Oilers one year from now will have written the first chapter in the Connor McDavid story. If there’s a top quality goalie, or two top flight defensemen, willing to jump into the boat this summer—sign them! I’d also really like to see Carl Soderberg as an Oiler center. Nuge—McDavid—Soderberg —Lander may allow Edmonton to include Boyd Gordon in a trade this summer. Crazy thought, but there you go. Or they could run Soderberg and Lander on a 3line, that might be grand.
  21. And trades? Yes, make trades. It might be nice to make a three-for-one with the one going our way, or dealing a pick for a useful player, under control.
  22. What are Chiarelli’s priorities? Get a quality coach, be it Babcock or McLellan or Nelson.
  23. Then? Find help. Acquire a goaltender and two defensemen, would love to see a two-way center.
  24. What’s your list? Ideally we would see a younger goalie like Cam Talbot, but I’ll accept Craig Anderson or Corey Crawford or Cory Schneider.
  25. What’s your metric for G’s? Even-strength save percentage and I do buy into the idea that getting a younger goalie is preferable.
  26. Have you given up on Martin Jones? Not at all. His EV save percentage is about the same as, say Jimmy Howard’s, and he should have better years. Then again, so should Ben Scrivens.
  27. Defense? There’s a long list, I’d like at least one RH defenseman with experience and two actual NHL players. I like Andrej Sekera and Brent Seabrook (via trade), others have suggested Paul Martin who I’ve always seen as wobbly but his track record is long and successful. I like Mike Green but he’s playing softer minutes and is going to get paid, so the options are out there and I’ll trust Chiarelli to be miles better than the last Oilers regime in identifying defensemen.
  28. Would you like Petry and Dubnyk back? Yes. They’re not coming back.
  29. Why this song? It’s from the lowest period for the Allmans and the lyric is miserable and dark. Gregg Allman wrote it about his relationship with Cher, one of several famous stories that surrounded the band as the music became less prominent and the lifestyle took over for the band.
  30. Nadir? Yes. Exactly.

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151 Responses to "RE 14-15 CRAIG MACTAVISH: JUST AIN’T EASY"

  1. Lowetide says:

    Lowdown at 10 this morning, TSN1260:

    10:05 Steve Lansky, Big Mouth Sports. Habs and Flames still alive!
    10:25 Andrew Bucholtz, 55-yard line. CFL draft coming up, what will the Eskimos do?
    11:00 Alan Hull, Copper and Blue. What must Chiarelli do?
    11:25 Antony Bent, Soccer Sunday. We’ll preview the weekend show.

    10-1260 text @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

  2. G Money says:

    MacT talked a fabulous game, but there are 29 pirates representing the other NHL teams.

    Indeed, I think it was his inexperience in recognizing the latter that led to the former.

  3. Rondo says:

    LT,

    I asked Martin Lunden about Oliver Kylington regarding a post by a fan.

    “Erik Liljekvist · Top Commenter · Karlstad, Sweden
    I have seen him play in Färjestad BK the past two years, and he got talent to be a top 5 pic, but that personality is not the ideal one. The reason he got loaned to the second division was because he was demanding to much as a 17 year old. He demanded more then 20 minutes of ice time (he had 14) and could not see to the teams best. Färjestad did the same with Jonas Brodin (Minnesota) and Oscar Klefbom (Edmonton) regarding to icetime, so they don’t give them to little, they give them just enough to develope, but he could not appreciate that.

    I do hope ( and think) he will become a great D man in 5 years, but for now, he is far from being that NHL ready player.”

    Martin responded

    Hmm.. well, you never know. That was basically what the press said when he got loaned out to another team. That he was “demanding” to play 20 minutes or more each game – which Färjestad obviously didn’t do (much like Erik say, they never do to them teenagers). Kylington himself told media that he never demanded an actual number (playing time) but he was disappointed with what he got in Färjestad at the time (the last two or so games before he got loaned out he played like 6 minutes or so, at the very least according to himself) which was too little. Why he only played 6 minutes a game the last couple of games there I don’t know. But he thought he needed to play more, get continuity to develop, and he was frustrated he didn’t get it with Färjestad but he never “demanded” more afaik. Also, being loaned out to AIK (in Stockholm) was never a bad thing for him. He does derive out of Stockholm and he got his folks living there so all in all I believe it worked out great for him. Much like I believe he won’t be sour by playing in the AHL.

    Regarding how good he will be it’s hard to tell. I reckon Klefbom (f.e.) will always be better in his own end than Kylington will be at the same age. But Kylington got an offensive upside which Klefbom does not have. The offensive upside rarely shows in the Swedish leagues though. I would personally be very surprised if he’s still there when it’s the Oilers turn to pick again.

  4. sliderule says:

    I thought Mact would be a good manager.I was so wrong.

    In hindsight his tenure as a coach should have been foreshadowing.Publically calling out useful players like Hemsky and Penner because they didn’t train to his standards hurt their play and the team.You would have thought he would have learned by this but then he did the same with Petry,Marincin and Dubnyk.They are all useful players that had their play suffer in part because of his comments.

    Mact made some poor moves as a GM but I feel his ultimate fate was sealed by his motor mouth.

  5. Michelangelo-McDavid says:

    I think MacT is a good hockey man and I have no problem with him as the second in command, the problem with MacT was his mouth. Tambo he didn’t say a damn thing and MacT talked to much. MacT’s song should have been Thorogood’s – Talk Too Much. He cannot be the talking head for an organization. He has great quotes though, I wanted him to get canned so he would go to Sportsnet.

    Listen to PC when he talks he is confident but doesn’t really give any substantial info. Bob’s his uncle, Peter will be more of a politician.

    MacT devalued the assets that he was wasn’t sold on, Petry, Dubnyk and overvalued the guys that he liked Schultz, even Klefbom. So when another GM knows that the Oiler’s GM isn’t sold on his best defenseman, of course you aren’t going to get full value. When a goalie knows he doesn’t have the backing of his boss it messes with your head.

    MacT reminds me of the old pirate joke where the captain asked for his red shirt at the first sign of trouble. MacT at the first sign of trouble was constantly asking for his brown pants.

  6. DBO says:

    Yep, the blinders on the dmen killed him, and the assumption that they had more time. Wasting the Hall, Eberle and Nuge deals killed the fan base. Now Chia steps in.

    1. Goalie: I expect to see Niemi. If not Niemi, (and to be clear I don’t want him), then I am good with Jones, Talbot or Lehner. Go younger then mid 30’s.
    2. Dmen: sekera is no brainer (but who knows). And Seabrook or someone works. Franson is solid (Willis had good ON article on UFA D options). i actually wonder if there is something bigger in the works. Boston is re tooling. Needs cap relief and is getting younger. Would we sneeze at Chara? They dealt Big Joe before, so maybe they move Chara. yes he is old and breaking down, but he is still a force and his contract expires when McJesus is up for his new deal. Get him and Eriksson for picks and prospects (or one of Nikitin or Schultz to send some salary back), add Sekera/Franson and you are golden (including buyout of Nikitin or trade of Schultz). Otherwise offer sheet Hamilton. 7 year, $6 million.

    Chara – Fayne
    Klefbom-Sekera/Franson
    Marincin-Schultz/Ference

  7. Stanley 2018 says:

    It’s a shame what’s happened to Scrivens. I absolutely believe he’s getting Dubnyk’d by this team. Not saying PC shouldn’t go get a Niemmi or something, but I don’t want history repeating itself either.
    I tried my best to cheer for MacT, but so many mistakes. Anything would have been better than the C situation. Keeping Gags would have been better, not like it would have hurt the GA any worse.
    I disagree with the Eakins comments. Never should have been HC in the first place. Nelson proved these guys can play, even with half the team on the IR. MacT failed to identify which coach would fit the team best, and fired the better fitting Coach to make it happen. The Petry thing will sting for awhile. WHY?!

  8. OrangeandBlue says:

    Unfortunately, when I think of MacT as a GM I picture that bewildered look on his face when things were falling apart on the ice. I see other GM’s look angry or something like that when they lose, but he always seemed to have that slightly confused look.

  9. gd says:

    To me the biggest stat is: Chia-50 years old, MacT-56 years old. I would have had an easier time accepting rookie mistakes from a 38 year old like Botterill or Brisbois. Lowe just didn’t do proper due diligence on the MacT hiring and the only saving grace in McDavid, because MacT blew two years of Hall/Nuge career.

    The reality is MacT didn’t really get fleeced in trades, but I just don’t think he is a very good evaluator of talent and I don’t see that as something you can get better at, at least at his age. I’m sure he can be adequate as an advisor, but I am very relieved he is not in charge anymore.

  10. Bag of Pucks says:

    I’ve often wondered what Slats thinks of the performance of Oiler management since he left. One rookie mistake after another?

    After the gold rush, Sather obviously lost the plot on the drafting side, but he was always a supremely effective horse trader. And he understood asset mgmt. Throw a winger on Wayne’s line for a month to pump his value and then deal him for a total upgrade.

    Asset management is where MacT really fell short imo. Poor value contracts with Ference, Nikitin, Schultz, Scrivens and he narrowly dodged the albatross of all time with Clarkson. And he continued the maddening trend of Oiler mgmt this century, buying low and selling high.

    He lost it for me with Perron. Defenders of that trade point to a 1st for 1year of Perron being fair value. This completely ignores the fact that Perron came in with a great attitude, wanting to be part of the longterm solution and put up numbers. Handled properly, Perron would’ve extended and now you have an actual vet in his prime instead of another lottery ticket. Instead, MacT lets his puppet relegate Perron to the third line, drive the team in the ditch, and then scapegoat the vet when the heat blasted his HC.

    David Perron had multiple concussions, sat out a year, and came back into this league with the same edge and sandpaper in his game. He’s not deficient in character. Skype MacT? As LT is fond of saying, he made a lot of decisions that didn’t involve winning.

  11. frjohnk says:

    I loved MacT as a player and a coach. As GM, I hoped it had worked out better for him.

    Like much of his team, MacT, it seemed was in a position 1 spot too high of his ability.

    I hope now he will be in a position to succeed.

  12. Woodguy says:

    I heard the main reason the extension for Petry was only 1 year is because Petry wouldn’t sign long term with Eakins as coach.

    MacT’s verbal was just cover.

    There’s a reasonable chance he would re-sign now, but they don’t have the inside track now and Petry is gonna get paid.

  13. russ99 says:

    Overall I’m still a big MacT fan, and his GM tenure won’t dim his accomplishments with us as a player and coach.

    Frankly, the structure and “buddy hire” track record of the organization was his own worst enemy:

    No candidate interviews when MacT was hired with zero GM experience, i.e. no “free advice” from people who’ve done the job before.

    Example 1A on how not to fire and hire a head coach.

    No countering voices of reason in the room when poor decisions made on play style, roster makeup, game day decisions and at worst player procurement.

    Higher-ups likely forcing his hand on keeping assistant coaches and re-shuffling hockey ops staff, when replacing poor performing staff with new voices would have helped.

    Pro scouting being the most nepotistically poisoned aspect of the org feeding MacT bad infiomation to make player personnel decisions, with Howson’s input making that worse.

    So while MacT isn’t blameless here, how his poor decisions were allowed to spiral out of control is due to how Katz and Lowe run the organization.

    Hopefully Chiarelli isn’t handcuffed to the same, but keeping MacT and Lowe around leads me to fear the opposite.

  14. Yeti says:

    This was another very good post, if depressing, in an excellent series.

    I wonder whether some of the future troubles were already manifest in the Gagner contract? Hindsight is easy, but to go from giving Sam a fairly rich contract (with a ticking NTC) when it was clear he couldn’t be what the team needed him to be, to ditching him for a bad contract in the space of a year. Well, that wasn’t exactly an auspicious start. Either a proper role had to be found for Sam or he needed to be traded for a genuine asset while his value was relatively high.

    It’s a shame its turned out like this, but we’re essentially on a new post-MacT rebuild… trying to put in place the parts he never delivered and hopefully shifting out some of the mistakes he made. Thank goodness McDavid has shifted the landscape and opened up a whole new vista.

    And lastly, MacT may have suffered from ‘smartest man in the room’ syndrome which negatively affected his performance as GM. We should remember that we still have three such men in key positions within the organisation. Past performance would suggest that Chiarelli is – of course – now the veritable smartest man in the room. I just hope they haven’t constrained his room for maneouver by saddling him with the old boys club. In Peachy we trust?

  15. knighttown says:

    The final nail for MacTavish was winning the lottery. He thought he had time, he HAD time until that changed everything.

    I’ve never understood the narrative about Eakins firing being unfair because MacT handed him an unbalanced roster. You play the hand you’re dealt in ANY job and you’re judged based on how you do in comparison to expectations. Eakins had some pretty decent talent and still managed to be behind the Buffalo Goddamned Sabres.

    You’re essentially saying, unless you’re put in the perfect situation you can’t be held accountable. I’d like to work for you!

  16. cabbiesmacker says:

    “How will you remember MacT?”

    Last player to go helmetless?

    Explains a lot of things

  17. Yeti says:

    Woodguy: I heard the main reason the extension for Petry was only 1 year is because Petry wouldn’t sign long term with Eakins as coach.

    Sorry, but when you say you heard this, I’m presuming that you aren’t talking about hearing it from your neighbour’s barber, but have something more tangibly linked to the organisation or player? I’m just curious because it’s hard to know how to interpret that.

  18. slopitch says:

    The one thing MacT did well was not make any major mistakes. Perhaps Petry was one but its easier to say that mistake was made 2 years ago when they didnt sign him long term. Nikitin was a mistake but the term isn’t dear. Ference isn’t a critical one. I still think you could move him ala Steve Staois. MacT in all he did had a bit of luck. He dodged Clarkson and for his brutal PDO team last year they got McDavid. He traded Perron to Pittsburgh and the pick value doubled ect.

    I think MacT did a lot to improve the Oilers from a draft/development standpoint. Nurse has been developed properly and I think it was reasonable to have Drai to make the team (just not as a 2C). For Drai, there have been lots of 3rd overalls who have an impact in the draft+1 year. But its very hard to develop in quicksand (on a loser) and without support. Again, the mistake wasnt dear, Drai seems to be better off now then ever.

    This team is setup to win a Stanley with 3 dynamite ELC contracts in the next 3 years. Im glad Chai is here and agree MacT should have been let go/demoted. But I dont think we’re gonna look back at his years here with disdain. MacT made some bad hires on D, left a hole up the middle and the PDO crippled the team. But the result was McDavid.

    Connor friggin McDavid.

  19. russ99 says:

    Yeti,

    My biggest gripe with his player decisions, kicking the real decision down the road a year or two, then it becomes a problem.

    Had he decided to move Gagner before caving at the last minute before that arb meeting, we’d have been a lot better off.

    But hey, at least we get McJesus.

  20. Ducey says:

    I still love MacT and am glad he is still with the Oilers.

    Both Perron trades have worked out nicely. The Fasth and Scrivens deals were good bets. I am not convinced we ever saw Nikitin healthy. The draft improved. The moves down in the 2013 draft look they have worked.

    Pouliot. Gordon. Fayne. Pakarainen. All good.

    The Smid trade was questioned at the time but looks good now. He got rid of Horcoff when all thought it was impossible. Traded Brown for a 4th. Hendricks for DD was good. He got rid of Hemsky for a couple of picks – which looks good now given Hemsky’s indifferent year in DAL.

    The lack of a C was a problem, but its clear he pursued half a dozen guys who refused to come here including Ribero, Roy, and Jokinen. I think he had little choice but to go with Leon.

    And Petry. LT was on side with MacT until then. It always comes back to Petry 🙂

    Every GM has a few black marks on his resume. If the team is winning, people tend to overlook them. Had the goalie deals worked out maybe MacT would still be GM.

    Oh, and I don’t want Dubnyk. Back to .908 in the playoffs. Its more likely that he turns back into a pumpkin than stay at an elite goalie level.

  21. jake70 says:

    Thanks for the nice comments on the “Sympathy for the Martin” piece yesterday…..was fun.

  22. Rondo says:

    Every decision Oilers made got us to this position. McDavid

  23. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Bag of Pucks: He lost it for me with Perron. Defenders of that trade point to a 1st for 1year of Perron being fair value. This completely ignores the fact that Perron came in with a great attitude, wanting to be part of the longterm solution and put up numbers. Handled properly, Perron would’ve extended and now you have an actual vet in his prime instead of another lottery ticket. Instead, MacT lets his puppet relegate Perron to the third line, drive the team in the ditch, and then scapegoat the vet when the heat blasted his HC.

    A lot of certainty in your assertions here but there are at least two things we don’t know:

    1) Whether Perron asked for a trade.
    2) Whether Perron’s health is a long-term issue. He had a hip injury that prevented his trip to the Worlds in 2014, & his play this past season was not inconsistent with a guy struggling with a “core” issue.

    I’ll also politely agree to disagree with your take on Perron’s “great attitude”. He may have come in with that, but over time it became less “great” and more “grate”, at least from the safe distance of my couch.

    Perron did go on a hot roll immediately after the trade, but his production completely dried up down the stretch, 0-1-1, -8 in the last 12 games as the Pens nearly fell out of the playoffs, and then 0-1-1, -1 in 5 games when they fell meekly in the first round. I’d be interested to hear Pens fans’ opinion of that trade around now.

  24. slopitch says:

    Woodguy:
    I heard the main reason the extension for Petry was only 1 year is because Petry wouldn’t sign long term with Eakins as coach.

    MacT’s verbal was just cover.

    There’s a reasonable chance he would re-sign now, but they don’t have the inside track now and Petry is gonna get paid.

    Interesting. I remember Nick Schultz’s brother spouting off on twitter before shutting down his account too. I do think Eakins was MacT’s biggest mistake. He wasnt ready and it snowballed.

  25. Rip Fan Winkle "OilOnslaught" says:

    Rondo:
    Every decision Oilers made got us to this position. McDavid

    This, it’s all water under Connor’s bridge now.

  26. Traktor says:

    Dallas was a couple leagues below pat Quinn. It was over before puck dropped.

    Sure center depth wasn’t great but you had a legit 1C and 3C. Plus a bunch of star wingers. MacT signed lander and Eakins sent him to the minors. Our D wasn’t great but Eakins sent MM to the minors and press boxed Petry.

  27. Woodguy says:

    Yeti,

    I know a few guys who know a few guys.

  28. Woodguy says:

    @TSNBobMcKenzie: DET has granted Mike Babcock permission to talk to other NHL teams. Window open til late May. Doesn’t mean Babcock leaving DET, window open.

    Here we go….

  29. Rip Fan Winkle "OilOnslaught" says:

    Dubnyk hasn’t become a different player, he’s just had his career year and good on him. Last night he wasn’t great and I think he’s been regressing in the playoffs.

    MacT saw him right, but made a mess out of situation. He should have been upgraded, but that’s typically done AFTER you find the better player. A slightly below average goalie is better than rolling the dice like he did.

    Hopefully Peachy has a better eye for goalie fundamentals.

  30. tcho says:

    I’m trying to figure out Minnesota’s playoff record since acquiring Sutter & Parise (summer 2012), and I’m having a devil of a time finding it. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

    We were confidently promised 100 home playoff dates in the next 10 years. With 2 second round exits, and a 1st round, I’m assuming it’s something like 16 home playoff games they’ve played in those years, leaving 84 in the next 7? That would average to 12 home games/year. That has to be exciting as a Wild fan – you’re basically guaranteed several cup appearances in the next 7 years!

  31. blainer says:

    MacT had a ton of supporters on this site. I think we all cut him some slack last year as we all believe he tried to sign just about every center available. He didn’t want to trade the core and I agreed with that. I was still ready to be patient with him this as well.. after the lottery win we have enough assets to trade futures and near developed prospects. What LOST him his job are outrageous comments like he was going to run the same D next year.. next season will be another developing year , Dubnyk etc The words that should have been coming out of his mouth were we are going to do everything possible that we can to make this team turn North next year Period. As just about everyone here has said… he would have been smart not to say much..

    One last note on Dubnyk.. He did not have a great series against Chicago and who really Knows what he is next year.. No doubt he was lights out this year but which Dubnyk shows up next year.. me I take my chances on another goalie with a longer track record or I stack the oilers with Ben.S and C.Talbot.. then the Condors next year with O’Connor and LB.. Mr. Chirelli I hope you are reading this blog.. If so listen hard and you actually might be here in two years time…

  32. linkfromhyrule says:

    tcho: We were confidently promised 100 home playoff dates in the next 10 years. With 2 second round exits, and a 1st round, I’m assuming it’s something like 16 home playoff games they’ve played in those years, leaving 84 in the next 7? That would average to 12 home games/year. That has to be exciting as a Wild fan – you’re basically guaranteed several cup appearances in the next 7 years!

    Good grief did MacTavish promise that? Talk about over promising.

    Dubnyk does appear to be regressing, but it has been against the Blue and Hawks, not exactly bottom feeders. You have to wonder if the heavy workload from the trade until now is starting to wear on him.

  33. flyfish1168 says:

    Woodguy:
    I heard the main reason the extension for Petry was only 1 year is because Petry wouldn’t sign long term with Eakins as coach.

    MacT’s verbal was just cover.

    There’s a reasonable chance he would re-sign now, but they don’t have the inside track now and Petry is gonna get paid.

    yet another player that did not like or want to play under eakins. I like to suggest even if we had a balance team eakins would still not have taken the team much further.

  34. vinotintazo says:

    Rip Fan Winkle “OilOnslaught”:
    Dubnyk hasn’t become a different player, he’s just had his career year and good on him. Last night he wasn’t great and I think he’s been regressing in the playoffs.

    MacT saw him right, but made a mess out of situation. He should have been upgraded, but that’s typically done AFTER you find the better player. A slightly below average goalie is better than rolling the dice like he did.

    Hopefully Peachy has a better eye for goalie fundamentals.

    I think he’s the same guy also, minus those stinkers from the bluline.. lol

  35. linkfromhyrule says:

    Woodguy:
    @TSNBobMcKenzie: DET has granted Mike Babcock permission to talk to other NHL teams. Window open til late May. Doesn’t mean Babcock leaving DET, window open.

    Here we go….

    A not-unrealistic scenario could see Chiarelli having to decide between Babcock and McLellan this off-season. Imagine if someone had said that in December, they would have been ridiculed.

    We finally sucked right on to the path to glory!!

  36. blainer says:

    gd:
    To me the biggest stat is: Chia-50 years old, MacT-56 years old. I would have had an easier time accepting rookie mistakes from a 38 year old like Botterill or Brisbois. Lowe just didn’t do proper due diligence on the MacT hiring and the only saving grace in McDavid, because MacT blew two years of Hall/Nuge career.

    The reality is MacT didn’t really get fleeced in trades, but I just don’t think he is a very good evaluator of talent and I don’t see that as something you can get better at, at least at his age. I’m sure he can be adequate as an advisor, but I am very relieved he is not in charge anymore.

    MacT has not evolved at all.. he still thinks hockey can be played 80’s style. The game has changed. I think he can scout the forwards quite well but has NO idea about D.. Play to your strengths..

  37. Woodguy says:

    blainer,

    Agreed that the best thing we can say about MacT is that he didn’t trade any good young player.

  38. Hall Awaits says:

    Reading the tea leaves from OEG employee Bob Stauffer’s comments, I definitely think this holds weight. He said time and again Petry wanted to know who the coach was before making any decisions on Edmonton. Not like Edmonton had the intelligence to sign him when they had the chance anyways but still that’s a tell. Eakins has sure left an impression.

    Woodguy:
    I heard the main reason the extension for Petry was only 1 year is because Petry wouldn’t sign long term with Eakins as coach.

    MacT’s verbal was just cover.

    There’s a reasonable chance he would re-sign now, but they don’t have the inside track now and Petry is gonna get paid.

  39. blainer says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    I’ve often wondered what Slats thinks of the performance of Oiler management since he left. One rookie mistake after another?

    After the gold rush, Sather obviously lost the plot on the drafting side, but he was always a supremely effective horse trader. And he understood asset mgmt. Throw a winger on Wayne’s line for a month to pump his value and then deal him for a total upgrade.

    Asset management is where MacT really fell short imo. Poor value contracts with Ference, Nikitin, Schultz, Scrivens and he narrowly dodged the albatross of all time with Clarkson. And he continued the maddening trend of Oiler mgmt this century, buying low and selling high.

    He lost it for me with Perron. Defenders of that trade point to a 1st for 1year of Perron being fair value. This completely ignores the fact that Perron came in with a great attitude, wanting to be part of the longterm solution and put up numbers. Handled properly, Perron would’ve extended and now you have an actual vet in his prime instead of another lottery ticket. Instead, MacT lets his puppet relegate Perron to the third line, drive the team in the ditch, and then scapegoat the vet when the heat blasted his HC.

    David Perron had multiple concussions, sat out a year, and came back into this league with the same edge and sandpaper in his game. He’s not deficient in character. Skype MacT? As LT is fond of saying, he made a lot of decisions that didn’t involve winning.

    I was very happy with the Perron trade at the time.. still am..Things change, the team did not play well and he did not have as good as year either. I thought he was part of the problem and glad they moved Poo into his spot. I would have been happy with a late first in this draft but now that 16th pick has HUGE value. This move in my mind is one of Mact’s best..

  40. John Chambers says:

    Matthieu Perreault. – MacT tried to sign him, a 50-pt 2-way C entering his prime, but lost the deal to Cheveldayoff and Los Jets.

    Then again there was Petry, and the goaltending, and Nikitin, and … too much mess for every good or every attempt at good. Half of Chiarelli’s job will be cleaning up mistakes.

    But a signed Perreault and extended Petry would’ve changed my mind about MacT as a GM capable of identifying and prioritizing talent.

  41. slopitch says:

    LT, why are you so big on Soderberg? We have 10 million to spend on D and in net. Are you planning on moving Lander for a D or to wing? Id keep Gordon personally.

  42. blainer says:

    cabbiesmacker:
    “How will you remember MacT?”

    Last player to go helmetless?

    Explains a lot of things

    LOl.. thanks for that.. needed a good laugh..

  43. Woodguy says:

    linkfromhyrule: A not-unrealistic scenario could see Chiarelli having to decide between Babcock and McLellan this off-season. Imagine if someone had said that in December, they would have been ridiculed.

    We finally sucked right on to the path to glory!!

    It’s crazy.

  44. John Chambers says:

    Woodguy:
    blainer,

    Agreed that the best thing we can say about MacT is that he didn’t trade any good young player.

    This was always my remark on why Tambellini wasn’t to be considered in the same thought bubble as Mike Milbury.

    It’s like – the contractor who messed up the countertops at least didn’t wreck the foundation, but we’re still eating takeout.

  45. blainer says:

    Woodguy:
    http://www.tsn.ca/babcock-permitted-to-seek-other-coaching-opportunities-1.278148

    Link to Babcock story

    The signing of Babcock will change everything here. That coach WILL attract all the free agents. If this happens I will be quite happy. If somebody had told me last year that the 2015/16 season opens with CMD and Babcock as coach I would have recommended a straight jacket for that person. This is gonna be some off season… Can’t wait…

  46. Numenius says:

    Woodguy:
    I heard the main reason the extension for Petry was only 1 year is because Petry wouldn’t sign long term with Eakins as coach.

    MacT’s verbal was just cover.

    There’s a reasonable chance he would re-sign now, but they don’t have the inside track now and Petry is gonna get paid.

    If this is true about Petry re-signing long term, then MacT’s move makes more sense.

    On the other hand, it was MacT who hired the dementor in the first place, so it doesn’t absolve him of much, if any, blame.

  47. Really? says:

    There are certainly a lot of Mac T apologists on this thread. He was a good player. He was a mediocre coach whose only success came when Lowe delivered Pronger. As a GM he was a loose cannon who didn’t know enough to keep his mouth shut.

    Given the requirements of the Oilers GM position and the goodwill he had at the start of his tenure, MacT was an epic fail as a GM.

    As for Chiarelli, he has a huge opportunity but he still has to deliver. Time will tell.

  48. Rip Fan Winkle "OilOnslaught" says:

    linkfromhyrule: Good grief did MacTavish promise that? Talk about over promising.

    Dubnyk does appear to be regressing, but it has been against the Blue and Hawks, not exactly bottom feeders. You have to wonder if the heavy workload from the trade until now is starting to wear on him.

    If it is that’s a problem. Losing doesn’t have to mean a terrible SV% either. It was .809 or something last night in an elimination game. I like him but he seems to be what we new him as which is a decent lower mid goalie.

    I see him as having some technique issues. Scrivens too. They aren’t that young, I don’t know if they can change much at this point.

  49. Factotum says:

    Gawd, I love that song.

    “You want so bad to leave this whirlwind storm
    But you can’t find no place to grab on.
    So ’round and ’round you go again, and it just ain’t easy.”

    Nine years of Oiler fandom in three lines. Brilliant choice, LT.

  50. pts2pndr says:

    MacT was too quick to fire Ralph and hitch his career on Eakins . Karma so to speak! His ultimate fail for me was his continued bombastic support for a badly failing Eakins! MacT does get full marks for loyalty but it was misplaced as it always has to defer to the TEAM and not any one individual!

  51. VanOil says:

    Sign Petry 5M x 6 year deal
    Sign Patrick Hersley 1 or 2 year deal
    Trade Jultz for a goalie.

    Run Petry-Fayne-Hersley down the right side.
    Klefbom-Marncin-Ference on the left.

    Let Nurse marinate in the AHL until Hersley is use to the NHL.

    Ignore the last man to play hockey with out a helmet until he returns to the broadcast both where he belongs.

    Edit: shipping the double agent to Siberia should be assumed

  52. rickithebear says:

    Our problem for the team/
    Can you see it?

    Hall 53gm (-1) – RNH 76gm (-12) – Eberle 81gm (-16)
    Pouliot 58gm (-1) – Roy/Arco 82gm (-18) – Yakupov 81gm (-35)
    Gazdic/Klink 80gm (-11) – Draisatl/Lander 75gm (-29) – Purcell 82gm (-33)
    Hendricks 71gm (-14) – Gordon 60gm (-21) – Fraser/Pak/Pit/Ham 76gm (-26)

    Marincin 41gm (-4) – Fayne 74gm (-21)
    Nikitin 42gm (-12) – Petry 59gm (-25)
    Ference 70gm (-17) – Oesterle/Hunt/ Musil/Nurse/davidson 35gm (-19)
    Klefbom 60gm (-21) – Schultz 81gm (-17)
    Aulie 31gm (-3)

    Right side!
    Right Side!
    Right side!

  53. Ducey says:

    So if the Oilers (unbelievably) have their pick of TMac or Babcock, who should they take?

    TMac actually was an assistant under Babcock, took over the Broncos right after Graham James was there (that couldn’t have been fun) and has won a Calder Cup.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_McLellan

    Babcock has one impressive resume though

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Babcock

    Might be a nice topic for a LT thread sometime soon.

  54. rickithebear says:

    VanOil:
    Sign Petry 5M x 6 year deal

    Corporate came to site for project cuts!

    I am smiling again!
    Actually laughing my ass off!

    Petry
    56gm (-25)
    2nd/3rd comp.

    Aulie
    31gm (-3)
    3rd comp

  55. LMHF#1 says:

    MacTavish never learned anything. He still chooses favorites to a fault. As HC this was bad enough. As GM it was quickly fatal.

    Bring on Coach Babcock! They’d better not let this world championship experience change their minds. Babcock is the guy.

  56. CofC says:

    Thanks for the read;

    Definitely agree – there were some decisions that retrospectively could have been made differently; Or at the least, the optics and verbal could have been tweaked;

    3 poor decisions/issues referenced in article had to do with Petry, Dubnyk and Schulz;

    While statistically Petry looked fairly solid and showed progress in certain categories, some would argue that despite number of hits tallied, he was fairly soft on the puck and the man; He moves the puck well and skates well, but until his final year he hadn’t shown much progress in the grit department (in addition to the not-infrequent giveaways at key moments) . Had he been signed for what he likely was asking, for a significant term (rather than the one year “challenge”), there is no doubt in my mind that many would have questioned it, and had he then not picked up his game as he did over his final year and instead stagnated, fans would have howled. Instead, he rose to the “challenge” and likely because of previous disagreements on contract, and perhaps some friction with coach at the time, he chose to look elsewhere; Had to be moved for some kind of return.

    Schulz also is fairly soft on the puck and the man, and has significant ability to move the puck and create offence; The huge potential in his game was recognized league-wide, and has yet to come to fruition. Will he turn upwards? Hard to say; Given perceived potential, though, I understand the willingness to wait and see, especially when gauging a young defenceman; It’s too bad the available compliments on D made it difficult to shelter him, as it’s no surprise that acquiring mature top-shelf D-men is no easy task, and unless trading the “core”, was made even more difficult given the lack of appeal of Edmonton (climate/geography/success record) as a destination. So I am still hopeful here, but yes, the verbal and optics surrounding this young man could have been “tweaked”.

    Dubnyk was not playing well. He had a tendency to allow softies and did not come through in the clutch. He’s the first to say (as he did) that he owes much of what he is today to Chabot, and that with one change in technique after leaving the Oil, he has turned his game around. Scrivens and Fasth seemed like reasonable bets at the time, not only from fans’ perspective, but also from that of experts around the league. There were attempts to acquire a known number one in the off season, but for reasons aforementioned regarding D, this proved unfruitful.

    Not mentioned in article is the Eakins item; I would say in retrospect probably shouldn’t have happened. Fundamentally, I don’t disagree with much of what he had to say in theory – obviously seemed like there were connection issues however in dealing with some of the players (not to de-emphasize the monumental task of fostering defensive accountability in a team sorely lacking in this area at the time – offensive stats likely to suffer while working though team D-issues).

    I still think MacT has some good vision and hockey IQ – good for Chiarelli in recognizing this and utilizing him as a resource.

  57. Rip Fan Winkle "OilOnslaught" says:

    However they set it up they need 3 mentors on D. They have one functioning vet. Please no rookie pair.

  58. GCW_69 says:

    Woodguy:
    I heard the main reason the extension for Petry was only 1 year is because Petry wouldn’t sign long term with Eakins as coach.

    MacT’s verbal was just cover.

    There’s a reasonable chance he would re-sign now, but they don’t have the inside track now and Petry is gonna get paid.

    MacT hired the coach, so not sure that really matters. But, why say anything like that at all? Makes him look clueless. He easily could have said, “Jeff wanted to explore other options” and be done with it. Instead he spewed the whole challenge thing. He took a bad situation he created and made it worse.

  59. leadfarmer says:

    I don’t get the Soderberg lust that most people here have. If he signs for 3.5 mil sure, but most think he will want to get paid closer to the 4-5 mil per year range which is the last thing we need for a 0.5 ppg player. Cap management is going to be an issue in the future. Save that money and use it to get a 5 mil defenseman instead, and find a cheaper third line center, or just snag Sobotka.

  60. rich says:

    At the start I was very hopeful that MacT would be a significant upgrade on Tambellini. Thought there was no way he could be worse.

    He said a lot of things that everyone wanted to hear at his opening presser and it was a breath of fresh air changing from someone who was always thinking but never seemed able to pull the trigger. I have clients who can be that way sometimes they’ll talk themselves into inaction because of the fear of making the wrong decision.

    First red flag went up with the poor way he handled Krueger, but wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. He’ll learn, he’ll get better. But he didn’t.

    Should have realized however that with his public comments on DD that MacT really was over his head as a GM. The things that make you a great coach – learning sometimes how to use the media to make a point to players (or a good bag skate) don’t work as a GM. You can’t be as transparent and this hurt the team – and it hurts you dealing w/29 other sharks who are trying to pick your pocket.

    In hindsight, the hiring of Eakins though was his biggest mistake. He alienated many in the room, did not do his homework on the team before getting there and hurt the GM’s credibility at the same time.

    MacT’s public comments on Petry may have been an attempt to salvage something if Petry said he wouldn’t sign an extension (spin it to your advantage) but by then there were too many holes in the ship. He lost more people with this.

    His December presser less than 2 weeks before having to can Eakins were for me the final straw. If you’re going to make a public vote of confidence, don’t expound. Say it and move on. MacT just liked to hear himself talk and hadn’t learned.

    Perhaps PC can help him to learn the subtleties required for a GM. Or just make him a good assistant who can help with pro and amateur scouting. But MacT needed to go as he was not up for the job and I’m relieved.

  61. GCW_69 says:

    VanOil:
    Sign Petry 5M x 6 year deal
    Sign Patrick Hersley 1 or 2 year deal
    Trade Jultz for a goalie.

    Run Petry-Fayne-Hersley down the right side.
    Klefbom-Marncin-Ference on the left.

    Let Nurse marinate in the AHL until Hersley is use to the NHL.

    Ignore the last man to play hockey with out a helmet until he returns to the broadcast both where he belongs.

    Edit: shipping the double agent to Siberia should be assumed

    Any hope of signing Petry died when MacT was retained as number two, imo.

  62. vinotintazo says:

    leadfarmer:
    I don’t get the Soderberg lust that most people here have.If he signs for 3.5 mil sure, but most think he will want to get paid closer to the 4-5 mil per year range which is the last thing we need for a 0.5 ppg player.Cap management is going to be an issue in the future.Save that money and use it to get a 5 mil defenseman instead, and find a cheaper third line center, or just snag Sobotka.

    I kinda agree here, before we got McDavid Sodeberg would have been great, now there is no really room, Unless he can play wing, and can be signed @ a reasonable price.

    3rd line of

    Sodeberg-Lander-Yak

    looks better than Roy-Lander-Yak IMO.

    I think I prefer Sodeberg over Roy, but roy will cost 1-2M, while Sodeberg will get paid… around 3-4M.

    Lander is a better center for a 3rd line role now (Better defensively and in the FO). Add in another 2 way C/LW and I think we can leave yak in the other Wing.

    blainer,

  63. GCW_69 says:

    leadfarmer:
    I don’t get the Soderberg lust that most people here have.If he signs for 3.5 mil sure, but most think he will want to get paid closer to the 4-5 mil per year range which is the last thing we need for a 0.5 ppg player.Cap management is going to be an issue in the future.Save that money and use it to get a 5 mil defenseman instead, and find a cheaper third line center, or just snag Sobotka.

    That depends on where the Oilers intend to play him. Soderberg’s most common line mates the last two seasons were Erickson and Kelley. If he can put up .5 ppg with Kelley, what could he do on a line with two quality players? What if they sign him to play with Nuge and Eberle and either drop Pouliot down to pay with Lander or, and here is a shocking concept, sell high on a player for once?

    Soderbergh brings more offence than Pouliot while still playing a good two way game. The trade return for Pouliot, when packaged with either the 2016 1st or the Pittsburgh 1st should be substantial.

    With the Oilers weakness on defence and in goal, that’s the series of chess moves I would take a hard look at.

  64. Woodguy says:

    GCW_69: MacT hired the coach, so not sure that really matters.But, why say anything like that at all?Makes him look clueless.He easily could have said, “Jeff wanted to explore other options” and be done with it.Instead he spewed the whole challenge thing.He took a bad situation he created and made it worse.

    To be clear:

    MacT wasn’t sold on Petry either.

  65. oprah sucks says:

    mac t’s biggest mistake not mentioned was the hiring of eakins and firing of krueger. not saying ralph should have stayed coach nor is dallas a bad one, but changing coaches when ur team clearly buys into coaches philosophy cant be good unless u bring in a proven nhl coach. it was clear, two months into last season that team didnt buy into eakins systems. this set the team back farther than any trade or non-trade mact did or didnt do. and with the recent history of coaches gone through org, team was forced to ride it out as long as they could. i guess if one wants to look at it differently this might end up being the best thing considering it resulted in winning lottery and adding new and respected managment. then again who could have planned this out?! not even buffalo, arizona or leafs apparently! lol

  66. PDL says:

    Woodguy:
    I heard the main reason the extension for Petry was only 1 year is because Petry wouldn’t sign long term with Eakins as coach.

    MacT’s verbal was just cover.

    There’s a reasonable chance he would re-sign now, but they don’t have the inside track now and Petry is gonna get paid.

    Hi all! First time poster.

    It really makes you wonder what Eakins did to these players that they had to plan their own escape. I think most professional athletes can endure a HS for one game without giving management an ultimatum.

  67. speeds says:

    from Dreger via twitter:

    Pete DeBoer is quietly drawing interest. San Jose and Edmonton are among teams believed to have talked to DeBoer.— Darren Dreger(@DarrenDreger) May 8, 2015

  68. Alpine says:

    Ducey,

    I’m actually leaning towards TMac these days. I’m not sure he’s better than Babcock, but I have a feeling we won’t get Babcock once other jobs start opening up. I’m thinking he’ll go for MTL if possible. McLellan never won a cup in SJ, but he never had anything close to a Lidstrom on the backend. And he bested Babcock twice in the playoffs.

  69. spoiler says:

    Rip Fan Winkle “OilOnslaught”:
    However they set it up they need 3 mentors on D. They have one functioning vet. Please no rookie pair.

    So let me get this straight… We need three D-mentors?

    I thought we just got rid of one?

  70. godot10 says:

    The dementor was the most inexperienced coaching hire in over a decade in the NHL. One never hires a coach with so little experience who has only coached within one organization. There is an extreme lack of experience in dealing with diverse adverse situations or even much experience with the diversity of players. He had had basically coached a very small homogenous group of players for a very short period of time. He had never seen a curveball.

    The dementor had a PR machine, and MacT fell hook, line, and sinker for it. He wanted a yes man, and stepped right in front of a con man who gave him exactly what he was looking for.

    And it is clear that MacT never even asked the most basic questions that one should ask in such an interview. i.e. What do you think of the players in our organization and the NHL and AHL level, and what do you think are the strengths and weaknesses, and what should be done.

    MacT was looking for a jackboot to stick to the throat of Taylor Hall, and the dementor (who is skilled managing up) discerned that, and showed MacT his jackboot.

  71. Cahoon says:

    At the risk of sounding like MacT here, I really think we are two good FA signings off of being solid

    Pou-Nuge-Ebs
    Hall-MacD-Pitlick
    Drai-Lander-Yak
    Hendricks-Gordon-Klink
    Paka,Yak2

    Klef-Franson
    Marincin-Schultz
    Nurse/Ference-Fayne
    Davidson/Ference

    Neuvirth
    Scrivens

    All of those lines have a guy who will go to the hard areas (Pou,Pitlick, Lander, Wagon) 3 very good playmakers (Nuge, MacDavid, Draisatl), and three very good goal scorers (Ebs, Hall, Yak).

    I know many here think Franson is Petry lite, but his numbers given his ZS last year were solid. Each defensive pairing has someone who is over or close to the 300 game mark (the one that doesn’t Marincin has shown very well with Schultz), and Ference as the insurance in case Darnell isn’t ready.

    With rumors that Nikitin hasn’t been healthy the whole time he’s been here, you might be able to trade him for next to nothing a la Horcoff deal, and maybe get a bite on Purcell. Buyouts if not.

    Neuvirth put up really solid numbers tending for the worst team in the NHL.

    I am ready for some major disagreements on this, but I think with T-Mac or Babs coaching, that team is VERY competitive.

  72. Alpine says:

    speeds:

    DeBoer’s Devils had monster possession numbers with a very average roster for a couple years there. I don’t think I’d want him here but he lost Parise and Kovalchuk one after another without anything close to a replacement coming in.

  73. godot10 says:

    Pouliot has several years of good advanced stats for three different teams. One could believe his advanced stats.

    Franson track record of advanced stats is lousy. So he had a slight tick up in a contract year. The GM falling for that is going to be a fool. Franson is far worse than Petry-lite. He is just another 3rd pairing D.

    If the Oilers sign Franson, the OIlers won’t make the playoffs in McD ELC, and we are talking about spinning the wheels of mediocrity at best for the medium term, because Hall and Eberle won’t be staying when their contracts expire.

    Franson means doom.

  74. Ducey says:

    godot10:

    Franson means doom.

    Take it from an expert on doom.

    Phaneuf on the other hand = rainbows and playoffs!

  75. Hammers says:

    Funny thing is its always easy to criticize a GM , a coach an assistant coach but we so seldom here from LT or any other writer in this city what a lot of the problems have revolved around and that’s been ownership . We started out saying rebuild while holding onto a chance of playoffs but that then changed to tanking and that was with Mr Katz giving his O K . None of us no for sure what was said or agreed to behind the scenes . It seems with the new owner came a lot of recommendations especially as related to the new decision makers . Sometimes I thought it was like starting from scratch . When I talk to family and friends we think this ten year trip was planned with many getting all the blame that sat squarely at the owners feet . Sure a few experienced people came in but for the most part nothing like the last few months and what we’re still hoping for . I wish one writer would write a true and thorough article of what the fans have gone through here over the last 20 years .

  76. Ducey says:

    Alpine: DeBoer’s Devils had monster possession numbers with a very average roster for a couple years there. I don’t think I’d want him here but he lost Parise and Kovalchuk one after another without anything close to a replacement coming in.

    It is interesting that the Oilers seem to be doing quite a wide ranging search for a coach. Not just going after the two obvious ones.

    Doesn’t seem very likely that T. Nelson will be continuing on. Hopefully Acton doesn’t survive the purge.

  77. leadfarmer says:

    GCW_69,

    He is anything but proven though. He has one year of a small blue bubble in the bottom right of the sledgehammer last year on a team full of blue bubbles, and a blue bubble in the top left corner this year. He is going to cash in on a career year this year and the last thing this team needs is another expensive forward.

  78. hunter1909 says:

    Bruce McCurdy: I’d be interested to hear Pens fans’ opinion of that trade around now.

    Penguin fans want their management sacked. Losing a 1st for Perron appears to be the latest in a series of waco moves by whoever steers the ship.

    Traktor: MacT signed lander and Eakins sent him to the minors. Our D wasn’t great but Eakins sent MM to the minors and press boxed Petry.

    Eakins is held by the fancy stats gang like Jim Jones was in Guyana.

  79. leadfarmer says:

    The guy I want has a 4 year history of blue bubbles in the top left corner before leaving to Russia and has a 2.7 million dollar contract, even if it is only for one year

  80. hunter1909 says:

    oprah sucks: this might end up being the best thing considering it resulted in winning lottery and adding new and respected managment. then again who could have planned this out?!

    100% agree.

    It’s like blowing the rent on a weekend bender, then waking up Tuesday with the winning lottery ticket in your pocket.

  81. hunter1909 says:

    LMHF#1:
    MacTavish never learned anything. He still chooses favorites to a fault. As HC this was bad enough. As GM it was quickly fatal.

    Bring on Coach Babcock! They’d better not let this world championship experience change their minds. Babcock is the guy.

    I’m agreeing with everything here.

  82. hunter1909 says:

    godot10: MacT was looking for a jackboot to stick to the throat of Taylor Hall

    Good call. I never thought of that.

    MacT had a similar “thing” for Rob Schremp.

  83. Heinz 57 says:

    I’m never going to see things precisely this way.

    While the Leafs still have to pay an injured Nathan Horton US$26.1-million for the next five years not to play, his salary does not count against the cap. And so, when the Leafs are finally a competitive team again, they will have flexibility.

    When was the honourable time for Nonis to fall on his sword? He also hung around and awaited the axe after the end of the season.

    ———

    This “smartest man in the room” meme increasingly gets on my nerves. Contrary to available data, it implies that the competition is easily trounced.

    My first clue that MacT might be in trouble came when he announced Eakins as the new head coach. He was clearly nervous as hell, as if it had suddenly dawned on him just how badly this decision might play out. He burned a career’s worth of lifelines with that one decision in ten minutes.

    Lot’s of smart, ambitious people make decisions on the same basis (all this chuff about due process notwithstanding), but it’s supposed to be ruthlessly calculated with nerves of steel and balls of brass.

    You’re not supposed to be standing in front of the microphone projecting the sense that half your brain is suddenly knocking on the front door asking “did I really just do this?”

    ———

    Furthermore, I don’t think Draisaitl’s forty games in a men’s league hurt his development one bit. He was going to pay those dues sooner or later, and there is a fair argument to be made that sooner is better (especially if later is hanging precariously on the cusp of competitive and you’ve got zero appetite for the rookie learning curve).

    The counter argument is that there’s a slow and steady approach to burning through the rookie learning curve.

    The problem with this line of reasoning is that it assumes you have certain infrastructure already in place.

    Such as balance.

    The team needed far more than another center or two to achieve balance.

    Management by Magic Induction

    1) Assume circular dependency is successfully broken.

    2) Manage accordingly.

    3) Pass Go.

    4) Collect 200 Ws.

  84. Kitchener says:

    MacT was great for interviews. I liked several of his trades. I’m thrilled that he didn’t trade the kids. I’m happy that the team got bigger. I’m glad Nurse was a Greyhound again.

    IMO, his key mistake was hiring Eakins. Nothing against Eakins, Eakins in Edmonton was a bad fit. I hope Eakins gets another NHL chance with a real lineup that matches his style, but man am I glad that era in Edmonton is over. MacT has to wear that decision and, unfortunately for him, it likely sunk his tenure as GM.

  85. spoiler says:

    Woodguy:
    @TSNBobMcKenzie: DET has granted Mike Babcock permission to talk to other NHL teams. Window open til late May. Doesn’t mean Babcock leaving DET, window open.

    Here we go….

    I wonder if Maureen has given her permission too.

  86. Rip Fan Winkle "OilOnslaught" says:

    spoiler: So let me get this straight… We need three D-mentors?

    I thought we just got rid of one?

    One for each phase of the game?

  87. Kitchener says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Pens fan here. The Pens got fleeced, pure and simple, trading future for present in a run at the Cup. It was a coherent move that would have looked brilliant had Perron stabilized at a 40G pace, then extended the contract. He had the potential to fill the Recchi role, and still does if healthy and he can start scoring again.

    The Pens have the 87/71 window that will stay open for several more years, but trades like Perron will haunt them in the 20’s. Penguins jerseys will be available at deep discounts in 2025.

  88. rich says:

    Ducey: Take it from an expert on doom.

    Phaneuf on the other hand = rainbows and playoffs!

    Franson was a healthy scratch in Nashville in the regular season and in the playoffs before Weber got hurt. No thanks.

    He also doesn’t hit anyone. When JW posted something on ON about signing him and offering a big contract I was floored because he is usually very good when it comes to sussing talent. Franson would be crucified by the fans if he were to sign here. It’d be worse than anything that was said about Gilbert or Petry.

  89. linkfromhyrule says:

    MacT on hiring Eakins/firing Krueger:

    “In my mind, faced with this set of circumstances, it was the right decision,” MacTavish said. “I stand by that decision and I’ll be judged on that decision. But that’s what led me to make that decision. Things change.

    MacT must be some sort of prophet, because he foresaw his own demise, or at least a contributing factor to it

  90. RexLibris says:

    From the TSN article on McLellan impressing Hall and Eberle:

    Hall is aware of the potential match between his club and McLellan, but maintains that he’s not out to impress him in particular.

    “No matter who the coach is, you know that hockey is just one big community and you want to play well for anyone watching,” said the 23-year-old. “I saw [new Oilers president and general manager] Pete [Chiarelli] here the other day and I’m not sure if they interviewed or what went on, but he’s a great coach. I have a ton of respect for what he teaches and I’ve learned a lot so far.”

    http://www.tsn.ca/mclellan-impressing-oilers-duo-at-worlds-1.278147

    Sure sounds like a young man who has character issues and is a detriment to the team both on and off the ice.

    Do people just outright ignore this kind of evidence when they level their criticisms or is that they are somehow cognitively incapable of recognizing it’s existence, like some sort of factual aphasia?

  91. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Mike and Maureen Babcock are coming to TCU Place in Saskatoon on July 24th.
    I will be there with my McDavid 97 sweater welcoming him with open arms to the Oilers fold.

  92. khildahl says:

    RexLibris,

    Keep your newfangled facts out of it.

    Dustin Penner was lazy, Ales Hemsky was soft, and Shawn Horcoff tortured kittens.

  93. Jon K says:

    RexLibris,

    Have you ever had an experience with a public figure that ran contrary to what they said in the media?

    I suspect not but am curious.

  94. Pajamah says:

    khildahl:
    RexLibris,

    Keep your newfangled facts out of it.

    Dustin Penner was lazy, Ales Hemsky was soft, and Shawn Horcoff tortured kittens.

    Filthy Russian *spits*

  95. Yeti says:

    Off topic – and beware, this is likely to be more explosively controversial than that small matter of the NDP – but Oban 14 is just not worth the money. A really disappointing scotch, sadly. The only good thing I can say about it is at least it didn’t trade away any of the young core.

  96. LadiesloveSmid says:

    leadfarmer:
    The guy I want has a 4 year history of blue bubbles in the top left corner before leaving to Russia and has a 2.7 million dollar contract, even if it is only for one year

    who’s this?

  97. khildahl says:

    Yeti,

    I find I feel that way about Oban in general. Mind you, like all scotch, it suffers from the disadvantage of not being bourbon.

  98. blainer says:

    Cahoon:
    At the risk of sounding like MacT here, I really think we are two good FA signings off of being solid

    Pou-Nuge-Ebs
    Hall-MacD-Pitlick
    Drai-Lander-Yak
    Hendricks-Gordon-Klink
    Paka,Yak2

    Klef-Franson
    Marincin-Schultz
    Nurse/Ference-Fayne
    Davidson/Ference

    Neuvirth
    Scrivens

    All of those lines have a guy who will go to the hard areas (Pou,Pitlick, Lander, Wagon) 3 very good playmakers (Nuge, MacDavid, Draisatl), and three very good goal scorers (Ebs, Hall, Yak).

    I know many here think Franson is Petry lite, but his numbers given his ZS last year were solid. Each defensive pairing has someone who is over or close to the 300 game mark (the one that doesn’t Marincin has shown very well with Schultz), and Ference as the insurance in case Darnell isn’t ready.

    With rumors that Nikitin hasn’t been healthy the whole time he’s been here, you might be able to trade him for next to nothing a la Horcoff deal, and maybe get a bite on Purcell. Buyouts if not.

    Neuvirth put up really solid numbers tending for the worst team in the NHL.

    I am ready for some major disagreements on this, but I think with T-Mac or Babs coaching, that team is VERY competitive.

    I have always liked Franson and think he would be a great add…

  99. vinotintazo says:

    LadiesloveSmid: who’s this?

    sabotka?

  100. LadiesloveSmid says:

    vinotintazo: sabotka?

    ah, probably

    for some reason had defence men on the mind

  101. V.XIV.VI.I says:

    Wow, points 9 and 10 are infuriating. Are you trolling us, LT? Eakins had a better roster in both years than Krueger and he failed miserably. Yeah it had big holes in the form of self-inflicted wounds (especially once Petry had responded to the challenge), but there were only two problems with the handling handling of Eakins – his hiring and not firing him sooner.

  102. Klima's_Bucket says:

    LadiesloveSmid: ah, probably

    for some reason had defence men on the mind

    Probably because the Oilers are more in need of 2 or 3 legitimate Dmen before addressing a depth forward hole.
    Debating which two way centre the Oilers should target while the defence still includes Ference, Nikitin and Schultz is like arguing over what rims you should get when you don’t even have tires or even a vehicle.

  103. RexLibris says:

    Jon K:
    RexLibris,

    Have you ever had an experience with a public figure that ran contrary to what they said in the media?

    I suspect not but am curious.

    Well there was that time with Richard Nixon who, despite denying any criminal inclinations, CLEARLY stole my garden hose.

  104. Lowetide says:

    I remember driving back from the longest hockey game, after doing my broadcast. MacT was being interviewed, and he said something like “Jeff answered the challenge, some team is going to get a really good player” and that line just snapped off and hung there, frozen.

    Craig MacTavish never did figure out what he didn’t know. I believe he tried.

  105. Lowetide says:

    RexLibris: Well there was that time with Richard Nixon who, despite denying any criminal inclinations, CLEARLY stole my garden hose.

    Gentlemen, please refrain from political discussion, please and thanks. Ancient stuff Lyndon Johnson and Jimmy Carter is fine.

    Thanks!

  106. Alpine says:

    Ducey: It is interesting that the Oilers seem to be doing quite a wide ranging search for a coach. Not just going after the two obvious ones.

    Doesn’t seem very likely that T. Nelson will be continuing on.Hopefully Acton doesn’t survive the purge.

    Meet the New Oilers. Actually different than the Old Oilers.

  107. leadfarmer says:

    DSF better be trolling the Wild blogs today about what a great signing Thomas Vanek has been. He is being compared to Dany Heatley today, LOL.

  108. Ducey says:

    Apparently the Oilers would have to pay compensation to the Wings for Babcock in the range of a third round pick.

    Losing a second and a third for Chia and Babs would suck. At least they can be deferred for a few years.

    I wonder if it just has to be any old pick in that round. If so, the Oilers should trade their 2017 2nd round pick to the team that wins the Cup (assuming its not EDM). Their 2nd for the Cupwinner’s second and the Cupwinners 3rd or 4th.

    Then take the Cupwinners 2nd and tell Neely to shove it.

  109. frjohnk says:

    Im with Godot

    I don’t believe Franson is the D man we should be targeting. Preds fans were up in arms with his play.

    He is probably a decent number 4/5 d man plugged into an offensive role. But we have a bunch of guys filling those spots.

    After Weber went down in the playoffs

    average TOI per game include OT
    Josi 31.5 mins
    Jones 29.9 mins
    Ellis 27.5 mins
    Ekholm 26 mins

    Franson 14 mins

    If we think we are overpaying Schultz at 3.6M, wait until a team is paying Franson 5M +.

  110. kinger_OIL says:

    Lowetide,

    Carter was after, and Johnson was succeeded by Nixon: so who are we allowed to joke about, and not? Are you saying Nixon is off-limits? Reagan: too soon? “Trust but verify”. Something the Oilers haven’t done in a a decade. I’m hopeful with Chia and Nicholson they seem to be doing the whole verify thing…Although the more of MacT/Acton/Howson/Buchberger are around in 12 months, I will be discouraged. Ferrence as captain as well: please be bye-bye, please allow these new guys to be able to clean house with impunity.

  111. Ducey says:

    leadfarmer:
    DSF better be trolling the Wild blogs today about what a great signing Thomas Vanek has been.He is being compared to Dany Heatley today, LOL.

    Just imagine if BUF had not matched the offer sheet:
    http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/34585-THNcom-Blog-What-if-Thomas-Vanek-became-an-Oiler.html

    You want to talk about doom.

  112. blainer says:

    frjohnk:
    Im with Godot

    I don’t believe Franson is the D man we should be targeting.Preds fans were up in arms with his play.

    He is probably a decent number 4/5 d man plugged into an offensive role.But we have a bunch of guys filling those spots.

    After Weber went down in the playoffs

    average TOI per game include OT
    Josi 31.5 mins
    Jones 29.9 mins
    Ellis 27.5 mins
    Ekholm 26 mins

    Franson 14 mins

    If we think we are overpaying Schultz at 3.6M, wait until a team is paying Franson 5M +.

    Wow was unaware of his poor play… ice time and was a HS… Stay away.. the last defenseman we signed who had been a HS was NN.. I agree now.. No to Franson..

  113. blainer says:

    It is really tough waiting to see if Chia has what it takes. If NN and Ference are here next year he will be an epic fail and also out of a job quickly.. We need a major overhaul on D AND the correct goaltending decision. As much as I like Soderburg he is not coming cheap.. Would rather have Lander at center and Pick up a Winnik type for the wing with Yak. I would like to see..

    Pou Nuge Ebs
    Hall CMD Winnik
    Purcell Lander Yak
    Hendy Gordon Klink

    Dry gets called up for the first injury replacement. It really is too bad Pak got injured as he might be better than Winnik. Pitlick is too injury prone. I would also move Yak up if Babs/Tmac can fix his defense.. suspect that will take a min of twenty games to show the new coach…

  114. Eastern Oil says:

    blainer,

    I actually like Franson from seeing him quite a bit in TO, but would certainly not want him at anything north of $5 mil. I think Petry is the better player between the two and most (not all) of the stats show it.

    It was always strange to me why Franson was always going to get a 1st or 2nd rounder at the trade deadline where Petry would be lucky to retrieve a 3rd.

    You have a poor man’s Franson in MM for a whole heck of a lot cheaper when comparing relative value to potential cap hit.

  115. Pouzar says:

    We got Connor Frickin McDavid.

  116. Yak2 says:

    I think Mike Babcock’s quote of “I don’t have the skillset to do Ken’s job” perfectly suits MacT.

  117. Ca$h-Money! says:

    So should I watch the Otters game or the Barons game tonight?

  118. khildahl says:

    Ca$h-Money!,

    Are they both on TV?

  119. Ca$h-Money! says:

    khildahl,

    Hockeystreams.com. I bought a month to watch the Otters/Greyhounds and I’ve extended a month to keep watching Connor & the barons. Both start around 5/5:30.

    There’s a chance the Otters game is on Sportsnet, I’m sure the Barons game is online only.

    I asked the good people of twitter but so far the 10 people that follow me haven’t answered.

  120. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: Gentlemen, please refrain from political discussion, please and thanks. Ancient stuff Lyndon Johnson and Jimmy Carter is fine.

    Thanks!

    Thanks. I suspect I’m getting my own back for my comment yesterday about what constitutes “ancient” in the life of our most gracious host.

    Henceforth I shall refer only to political events that predate the Merovingian dynasty and that unscrupulous rat bastard that followed, Martel.

  121. RexLibris says:

    Ca$h-Money!:
    khildahl,

    Hockeystreams.com.I bought a month to watch the Otters/Greyhounds and I’ve extended a month to keep watching Connor & the barons.Both start around 5/5:30.

    There’s a chance the Otters game is on Sportsnet, I’m sure the Barons game is online only.

    I asked the good people of twitter but so far the 10 people that follow me haven’t answered.

    I think I read that the Otters game was on SN

    http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/article/rogers-ohl-final-broadcast-schedule

  122. vinotintazo says:

    Ca$h-Money!:
    khildahl,

    Hockeystreams.com.I bought a month to watch the Otters/Greyhounds and I’ve extended a month to keep watching Connor & the barons.Both start around 5/5:30.

    There’s a chance the Otters game is on Sportsnet, I’m sure the Barons game is online only.

    I asked the good people of twitter but so far the 10 people that follow me haven’t answered.

    what’s the price for 1 month?

  123. Lowetide says:

    kinger_OIL:
    Lowetide,

    Carter was after, and Johnson was succeeded by Nixon: so who are we allowed to joke about, and not?Are you saying Nixon is off-limits?Reagan: too soon?“Trust but verify”

    Well, I was joking, so…

  124. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide:
    I remember driving back from the longest hockey game, after doing my broadcast. MacT was being interviewed, and he said something like “Jeff answered the challenge, some team is going to get a really good player” and that line just snapped off and hung there, frozen.

    Craig MacTavish never did figure out what he didn’t know. I believe he tried.

    That comment of his would have been my last straw if I hadn’t broke earlier.

    The miscalculation on Petry was unforgiveable, in my opinion.

    If Petry wanted to try free-agency, as has been suggested, then find another way to say that.

    But to suggest that he wasn’t up to snuff on a team that hadn’t made the playoffs in nine years and whose blueline was a trainwreck of Michael Bay proportions is beyond belief.

  125. Lowetide says:

    RexLibris: Thanks. I suspect I’m getting my own back for my comment yesterday about what constitutes “ancient” in the life of our most gracious host.

    Henceforth I shall refer only to political events that predate the Merovingian dynasty and that unscrupulous rat bastard that followed, Martel.

    Nope! Me trying to be funny! 🙂

  126. Woodguy says:

    PDL: Hi all!First time poster.

    It really makes you wonder what Eakins did to these players that they had to plan their own escape.I think most professional athletes can endure a HS for one game without giving management an ultimatum.

    The one year contract was signed before Petry was HS’d this year.

    Whatever it was, happened the year before.

    My money was on the as an FA Petry has many, many options and why play for a coach you don’t care for in a losing org when you don’t have to?

    Jason Strudwick was on a radio station in Montreal and said he’s never seen an organization treat a good player as poorly as the Oilers treated Petry.

    Everything changed now though.

    I wish MacT was further away though.

  127. Woodguy says:

    spoiler: So let me get this straight… We need three D-mentors?

    I thought we just got rid of one?

    *polite golf clap*

  128. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: Nope! Me trying to be funny!

    And it was.

    I tried picturing you yesterday as part of Trudeau-mania.

    Turtleneck with suit jacket and mop-top? Or am I mis-imagining the aesthetic landscape of Maidstone?

  129. Woodguy says:

    spoiler: I wonder if Maureen has given her permission too.

    Maybe Don Metz should make a video for her?

    Katz should send the jet for her and Mike and let her know she can use it to visit her kids at their colleges whenever she wants to.

  130. Woodguy says:

    Pouzar:
    We got Connor Frickin McDavid.

    WWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!

  131. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    I remember driving back from the longest hockey game, after doing my broadcast. MacT was being interviewed, and he said something like “Jeff answered the challenge, some team is going to get a really good player” and that line just snapped off and hung there, frozen.

    Craig MacTavish never did figure out what he didn’t know. I believe he tried.

    That interview got me so worked up I actually wrote a post on my blog.

  132. khildahl says:

    Woodguy: her

    Well, I’m sure even the concrete wasteland of construction and litter that is our fair city is nicer than Detroit. So we’ve got that going for us.

  133. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy: That interview got me so worked up I actually wrote a post on my blog.

    Same. But without the blog part.

    I was furious.

    I try to be a glass-half-full person and look for some evidence of a rational motive behind a lot of managerial moves, but that move was just born stupid.

  134. G Money says:

    RexLibris: Do people just outright ignore this kind of evidence when they level their criticisms or is that they are somehow cognitively incapable of recognizing it’s existence, like some sort of factual aphasia?

    Some time ago, I theorized that they simply set their brains on fire each and every weekend, thereby purging themselves of all evidence and all cognitive function other than a handful of deeply held beliefs.

    Though procedurally and anatomically challenging, I still feel this theory has merit.

  135. RexLibris says:

    http://guff.com/youll-hate-yourself-for-laughing-at-these-animal-puns/88?gclid=CNWSoPaTs8UCFdKFfgod50gAiA

    Is it wrong that I don’t hate myself for laughing at them?

    Perhaps my soul is already filled with self loathing over being an Oilers fan that there simply is no more room.

  136. G Money says:

    rickithebear: Petry
    56gm (-25)
    2nd/3rd comp.
    Aulie
    31gm (-3)
    3rd comp

    So according to Rickinomics(tm),

    Fistric > Weber

    and

    Aulie > Petry

    Gents, I believe we’ve solved the MacT “why the hell can’t he assess defensemen?!?” problem.

    Ricki was his advanced stats guy.

  137. Woodguy says:

    G Money: So according to Rickinomics(tm),

    Fistric > Weber

    and

    Aulie > Petry

    Gents, I believe we’ve solved the MacT “why the hell can’t he assess defensemen?!?” problem.

    Ricki was his advanced stats guy.

    EYE HART G$

  138. Ca$h-Money! says:

    vinotintazo: what’s the price for 1 month?

    $18/month. Gets you NHL, AHL, CHL, IIHF. Good way to watch the worlds, Draisaitl, McDavid, the Barons, and the memorial cup. I don’t have TV so it’s the only way.

  139. RexLibris says:

    G Money,

    I often wonder about how people come to certain conclusions that seem to be set quite in contradiction to known fact.

    It can be very frustrating but I’ve decided there are several options available to me when this happens.

    1. Humour. Lewis Black is excellent as a remedy for this frustration as he so excellently embodies the overwhelming rage that can boil beneath one’s skin in these instances.

    2. Philosophical meditation. It helps to discover that reality is more a product of perspective and relative experience than I think many of us realize. It can’t all be ignorance, willful or otherwise, nor can it all be ego-driven agendas. There are those for whom this is their reality as they see it.

    3. Reductio ad absurdum. Similar to 1, but with a more irreverent, occasionally sarcastic, edge such as responding to arguments in favour of creationism with pictures of Hitler riding a T-Rex or referring to The Flintstones as documentary footage. Joining someone’s side of the argument and deliberately undermining their position by putting forth the most ridiculous examples that are logical outcomes of their claims. Hilarity ensues.

  140. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy: Katz should send the jet for her and Mike and let her know she can use it to visit her kids at their colleges whenever she wants to.

    Just what college kids dream of. A visit from parents.

  141. hunter1909 says:

    RexLibris: Henceforth I shall refer only to political events that predate the Merovingian dynasty and that unscrupulous rat bastard that followed, Martel.

    He makes great brandy.

  142. RexLibris says:

    G Money: So according to Rickinomics(tm),

    Fistric > Weber

    and

    Aulie > Petry

    Gents, I believe we’ve solved the MacT “why the hell can’t he assess defensemen?!?” problem.

    Ricki was his advanced stats guy.

    Well, math is difficult, so I think I’ll give you a hand here.

    Nikita Nikitin = N
    Fistric = Fi
    Aulie = A
    Ference = Fe
    Hunt = H
    Petry = P
    MacTavish = M
    Marincin = m
    Oilers = O

    Fi (A + Fe + N + H) – m (M + O) – P = CMD

  143. Woodguy says:

    hunter1909: Just what college kids dream of. A visit from parents.

    Apparently being close to a “one flight” airport to visit the kids or the kids to visit them (esp. at Thanksgiving) is a big thing.

    I don’t make these things up.

  144. Ca$h-Money! says:

    G Money: So according to Rickinomics(tm),

    Fistric > Weber

    and

    Aulie > Petry

    Gents, I believe we’ve solved the MacT “why the hell can’t he assess defensemen?!?” problem.

    Ricki was his advanced stats guy.

    No way. If he was, we’d have Brett Bellmore locked up long term.

  145. vinotintazo says:

    Ca$h-Money!: $18/month.Gets you NHL, AHL, CHL, IIHF.Good way to watch the worlds, Draisaitl, McDavid, the Barons, and the memorial cup.I don’t have TV so it’s the only way.

    Thx!

  146. vinotintazo says:

    RexLibris: Nikita Nikitin = N
    Fistric = Fi
    Aulie = A
    Ference = Fe
    Hunt = H
    Petry = P
    MacTavish = M
    Marincin = m
    Oilers = O

    Fi (A + Fe + N + H) – m (M + O) – P = CMD

    Bless the D-Corps that got us McJesus!!! 🙂

  147. Pouzar says:

    Ca$h-Money!:
    So should I watch the Otters game or the Barons game tonight?

    Both brutha!

  148. rich says:

    G Money: So according to Rickinomics(tm),

    Fistric > Weber

    and

    Aulie > Petry

    Gents, I believe we’ve solved the MacT “why the hell can’t he assess defensemen?!?” problem.

    Ricki was his advanced stats guy.

    That’s pure gold. Well done.

  149. oliveoilers says:

    RexLibris:
    G Money,

    I often wonder about how people come to certain conclusions that seem to be set quite in contradiction to known fact.

    It can be very frustrating but I’ve decided there are several options available to me when this happens.

    1. Humour. Lewis Black is excellent as a remedy for this frustration as he so excellently embodies the overwhelming rage that can boil beneath one’s skin in these instances.

    2. Philosophical meditation. It helps to discover that reality is more a product of perspective and relative experience than I think many of us realize. It can’t all be ignorance, willful or otherwise, nor can it all be ego-driven agendas. There are those for whom this is their reality as they see it.

    3. Reductio ad absurdum. Similar to 1, but with a more irreverent, occasionally sarcastic, edge such as responding to arguments in favour of creationism with pictures of Hitler riding a T-Rex or referring to The Flintstones as documentary footage. Joining someone’s side of the argument and deliberately undermining their position by putting forth the most ridiculous examples that are logical outcomes of their claims. Hilarity ensues.

    Door number 3 please, Rex.

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