EVERYBODY’S GRETZKY

by Lowetide

It’s like there’s something in the water.  A week from now, a normally adult, hard-working city will begin to act like school children on dubble bubble and Freshie. After a decade of disappointment, is this the fall that delivers more wins and losses? Will the Oilers be good enough to sustain talk of contention? Will the McDavid addition have us talking about Edmonton’s first Calder Trophy? Will McLellan’s power play make other teams lay off using the lumber on the youngsters? Will this team find a magic Pisani, that two-way forward who can calm the waters on an inexperienced line? We wait. Not much longer, though!

PROJECTED TRAINING CAMP ROSTER (UNOFFICIAL)

  1. G Cam Talbot—The No. 1 job is his to lose, and he can’t lose
  2. G Ben Scrivens—Early word has him ready, not sure it matters
  3. G Anders Nilsson—I think he might be a major story this TC
  4. G Laurent Brossoit—AHL starter but McLellan saw him good
  5. G Eetu Laurikainen—A great damn bet
  6. G Keven Bouchard—Junior goalie will get a look in Penticton, then back to junior
  7. G Jordan Papirny—No. 58 on Nickolet’s list.
  8. D Andrej Sekera—Edmonton’s No. 1 defenseman the moment he signed.
  9. D Mark Fayne—Stay-at-home defender should play a prominent role.
  10. D Oscar Klefbom—He’ll be a big part of the team this season—from the start.
  11. D Justin Schultz—He could score 50 points or not get tendered. WIDE open.
  12. D Nikita Nikitin—Here’s hoping he passes the physical.
  13. D Eric Gryba—The new Andy Sutton is gonna cut them down.
  14. D Andrew Ference—Veteran is the captain and fighting for his job. Unusual situation.
  15. D Brandon Davidson—Bubble blue with onrushing impact prospects. Easy peasy.
  16. D Griffin Reinhart—Big defender needs to jump a veteran and hold off a better prospect.
  17. D Darnell Nurse—I think he might be a top 4D by this time next season. Seriously.
  18. D Brad Hunt—Impact AHL offensive defenseman. I don’t know if there’s an NHL road.
  19. D David Musil—Oilers like him, he has one more season of waiver eligibility. He or Davidson win a depth job at some point, I’d expect.
  20. D Jordan Oesterle—Talented college player impressed in year one AHL. What now?
  21. D Dillon Simpson—More improvement in the AHL, remains well down pro depth chart.
  22. D Martin Gernat—Hopefully better days ahead.
  23. D Ben Betker—Huge blue begins his pro career. He’s a good skater, that’s a good sign.
  24. D Joey Laleggia—Unique numbers and skills. That’s always a good thing for a prospect.
  25. D Caleb Jones—Faster and better with the puck than the scouting reports/boxcars imply.
  26. D Ethan Bear—A nice draft year, this season should tell us a lot.
  27. D Kevin Davis—No. 36 on Nickolet’s list.
  28. D Colton Waltz—Tough defender, unlikely to make main camp.
  29. D Loik Leveille—There’s a chance they sign him.
  30. C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—He’s going to be a big part of any success for Edmonton.
  31. C Connor McDavid—This is a once in a lifetime gift, twice if you’re old like me.
  32. C Anton Lander—I’m not sure of his role but it should be significant.
  33. C Mark Letestu—He has a nice range of skills, could see action on multiple lines.
  34. C Leon Draisaitl—McLellan mentioned the T word (Thornton) and the wing.
  35. C Bogdan Yakimov—Impressed early and often last year. Can he do it again?
  36. C Jujhar Khaira—Another young F who showed well in the first week of TC last season.
  37. C Kyle Platzer—Strong one year ago in TC, we’ll see what a year can do.
  38. C Alexis Loiseau—Penticton will be a great opportunity for him to show well.
  39. C Marco Roy—He played well at rookie camp a year ago.
  40. C Tyler Soy—Skill F, will show his stuff and head back to junior.
  41. C Cole Linaker—No. 81 on Nickolet’s list.
  42. L Taylor Hall—Health is the only worry, he’s a fantastic NHL player.
  43. L Benoit Pouliot—Important piece on this team, also needs health.
  44. L Lauri Korpikoski—Likely “Pisani” for this team, needs a comeback season.
  45. L Matt Hendricks—Can he repeat last year’s impressive performance?
  46. L Luke Gazdic—They won’t Stortini him, but he could be HS opening night.
  47. L Ryan Hamilton—If he had a little more speed, he’d be an NHL factor.
  48. L Anton Slepyshev—Anticipation! Can’t wait to see this guy play.
  49. L Mitch Moroz—Showed well early in Penticton a year ago.
  50. L Kale Kessy—This could be an emerging story if the uptick in speed remains.
  51. L Connor Rankin—Rugged winger can score.
  52. L Braden Christoffer—Tough, undersized and skilled.
  53. R Jordan Eberle—So consistent he gets overlooked. Very valuable.
  54. R Nail Yakupov—His skills are somewhat unique on this roster.
  55. R Teddy Purcell—Enormous opportunity for the veteran in a walk year.
  56. R Rob Klinkhammer—Veteran with size and speed. That has value.
  57. R Tyler Pitlick—He’s fast enough and rugged too. Health always an issue.
  58. R Iiro Pakarinen—He’s capable of passing some men in front of him. Shooter.
  59. R Andrew Miller—Has the speed to stand out in this crowd.
  60. R Greg Chase—He’ll be relied on in Penticton to play with an edge.
  61. F Rihards Bukarts—No. 50 on Nickolet’s list.
  62. R Cole Sanford—Outstanding scorer, on the NHL.com list.

PROJECTED OPENING NIGHT LINEUP

  • Pouliot—Nuge—Eberle
  • Hall—McDavid—Purcell
  • Korpikoski—Lander—Yakupov
  • Hendricks—Letestu—Klinkhammer
  • Sekera—Fayne
  • Klefbom—Schultz
  • Nikitin—Gryba
  • Talbot (Scrivens)

That’s every veteran available plus The One. Mclellan is going to run the living daylights out of the top two lines and I do think both Korpikoski and Yakupov will push for Purcell’s spot as listed above. My RE totals have seven men getting the points and that battle could last until the deadline. I suspect foot speed is going to be Purcell’s downfall but don’t underestimate the veteran. He’s fantastic with the puck.

I think we may see another invite to rookie camp (a tough F who can play the policeman in Penticton) and possibly a Kevin Westgarth type for main camp too. McLellan may want a big man who can play and that fellow might be Kale Kessy.

The biggest battles this camp? Backup goalie, the entire right side up front after Eberle and Lander-Letestu for 3C. For the first time in exactly forever, the Edmonton Oilers may arrive at the end of training camp with a veteran on the outside looking in.

OILERS ROOKIES- U OF A ROSTER 2014

  • Mitch Moroz – Leon Draisaitl – Mitch Holmberg
  • Vladdy Hockey – Bogdan Yakimov – Greg Chase
  • Travis Ewanyk – Jujhar Khaira – Kale Kessy
  • Connor Jones – Kellen Jones – Kyle Platzer
  • Jordan Oesterle – Dillon Simpson
  • Darnell Nurse – C.J. Ludwig
  • David Musil – Martin Gernat
  • Laurent Brossoit (Ty Rimmer)

In the what a difference a year makes category, I offer you this look back at one year ago and the UofA game. The lineup was much bigger up front than in previous seasons and specifically up the middle. Edmonton wasted a lot of at-bats on Vladimir Tkachev that could have been devoted to other kids—that’s another example of why the Oilers have been so bad. They simply shoot themselves in the foot in all areas and even though it’s a small item it really isn’t when you consider how hard these kids try to impress. Hopefully we’ve seen the last of these types of moments.

OILERS ROOKIES- U OF A ROSTER 2015 ESTIMATED

  • Loiseau—McDavid—Draisaitl
  • Slepyshev—Yakimov—Chase
  • Moroz—Platzer—Buharts
  • Christoffer—Soy—Roy
  • Nurse—Bear
  • Laleggia—Leveille
  • Jones—Betker
  • Bouchard—Papirny

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LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

10 this morning, a busy show and lots to talk about. TSN 1260.

  • Steve Lansky, Big Mouth Sports. Jays and US Open matches today for Genie and Milos.
  • Brian Swane, Edmonton Sun. Oil Kings gearing up, Eddies need a W.
  • Brad Gagnon, Bleacher Report and CBS Sports. NFL talk as we gear up for Week 1 next Thursday!
  • Paul Almeida, Saturday Sports Extra. The man, the myth, the opinion! We’ll chat Oilers, Blue Jays and Eskimos.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide twitter. Loooooooooooooooooooooong weekend gets started at 10!!!!

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godot10

Woodguy:
RexLibris,

I’m thinking a Yak-Lander-DrySaddle 3rd line would be a killer.

Yep…I agree wholeheartedly. Draisaitl-Lander-Yakupov seem like they were made for each other. It would be a line where Draisaitl would be the main puck transporter (lugging and/or passing).

It would mean he would have to change his game the least moving to wing. Playing wing with Nugent-Hopkins or McDavid, he would have to learn to play far more without the puck.

oilswell

Woodguy:
There is a serious demarcation line from the top 6 to the bottom 6.
The big guns play a period each and the 2nd big guns aren’t that far off.

But look at the names and tell me that there was the skill depth to run three.

Anyone have TOI for the Worlds? Looking at just shots there are 11 players with 20+ shots and 3 with 30+. May be useful to compare what he did there.

Pouzar

Woodguy: I’m thinking a Yak-Lander-DrySaddle 3rd line would be a killer.

That would be a beastly half court line.

JD_Wry

Cameron,

Saw this vid today, and thought you would like it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=44&v=nY-7PUEoIrQ

RexLibris

Woodguy:
RexLibris,

I’m thinking a Yak-Lander-DrySaddle 3rd line would be a killer.

Run Pou-RNH-Ebs and Hall-McD-X on the 2nd.

Along a more serious vein, yes that would be a nice line.

I do have some serious reservations about running Draisaitl on the wing for too long.

I want him in the middle unless I am shown definitive proof that he is more dominant on the wing.

RexLibris

Woodguy:
RexLibris,

I’m thinking a Yak-Lander-DrySaddle 3rd line would be a killer.

Run Pou-RNH-Ebs and Hall-McD-X on the 2nd.

I’ve read X is a great two-way winger with speed, skill and poise.

Can’t wait to see him in training camp.

I’ve already bought his jersey!

😉

G Money

RexLibris: That is perhaps the most GMoney thing I’ve ever seen your write.
Is it strange that I imagine it as a chart on your bedroom wall complete with Raquel Welch leather bikini? Or am I guilty of projecting?

I was thinking more along the lines of “typically GMoney” as opposed to maximally GMoney.

Raquel Welch, eh?

If I tried to put a bikini poster up on the bedroom wall, I suspect the correlation between my breaths/60 pre-poster and breaths/60 post-poster would be -1, if you see what I mean. Yet another of those things they don’t warn you about when you get married.

Now, if I *were* to try and risk death that way, my tastes would run more to something like this:
http://u.realgeeks.media/bergproperties/old_wp/_blog_wp-content_uploads_2008_10_milla-jovovich-0602-020.jpg

Especially love the fact that the URL is from “realgeeks”. Ha!

Woodguy

RexLibris,

I’m thinking a Yak-Lander-DrySaddle 3rd line would be a killer.

Run Pou-RNH-Ebs and Hall-McD-X on the 2nd.

wheatnoil

AnOmYnOuS1: I think part of his rolling 3 lines may be his ageing roster. Thorton and Marleau were getting up there and so probably couldn’t handle quite as many minutes and still remain effective. It’ll be interesting to see since he has done a top 6/bottom 6 approach as well as the top 9/bottom 3.

I’m actually expecting him to make changes between games. A team like Arizona he could probably just overload, they don’t have enough depth to take that kind of beating from 2 lines. A team like Chigaco and Tampa, you’ll need a semi-competent 3rd line to match up against them. Is it October yet?

Yes, this.

I think we can expect the McBlender.

wheatnoil

Woodguy: I’m going off his verbal.

Did you listen to his interviews with Bob and Gene?

Not the whole thing, just articles that pulled quotes from it. Haven’t had time to listen, but it sounds like a good one for me to listen to the whole thing. I hear he talked about putting Drai up in the Top 6 and loading the top 6 with centres like he did in San Jose.

I’m just saying that he might feel that way now, but may adjust through the year if he thinks he’s got the horses to run 3 lines.

That said, I’m with you in that I want the 3 scoring line unicorn… so I’m willing to craft what-ever narrative I need to so I don’t give up hope of seeing it!

Woodguy

speeds: I think that would be my general thought as well, that I don’t mind the idea of McDavid/RNH/Draisaitl as the C’s picking up nearly all of the ~52min at ES and PP.However, that doesn’t necessarily mean that they’d be ready for that this season, as opposed to 2 seasons from now when hopefully (a) a guy like Slepyshev has developed to add W depth and (b) McDavid and RNH are so established that EDM is now the team that wingers want to sign with for 1 year, 1M contracts to rehabilitate value.

Agreed.

Add to that the fact that some decent NHL vets will be willing to sign 1yr value deals with the Oilers in the coming years and you can rotate a lot of wingers through those lines.

RexLibris

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
RexLibris,

Sorry, Rex. I must have missed that.

Did someone say Hemsky? He would be welcome back. Fills that RW slot in the top 9.
Hall-McDavid-Hemsky
Pouliot-Nuge-Eberle

Darn salary cap.

The problem is that we’re talking about 2006 Hemsky, not 2015 Hemsky.

RexLibris

Woodguy: The biggest thing is that line is going to see A LOT of 3rd pair Dmen and think that’s very exploitable if there’s some talent on the line.

GIMME THE GODDAM UNICORNS ALREADY!!!

Seconded.

Here’s a quick excerpt from the Oilers RE I’ve been working on:

that line [is] likely to be used as a sly counter-attack line once the top two lines have drawn the tough competition

Now, I’m projecting here because I really don’t have a damned clue what McLellan has planned. Maybe he gets more traditional with his 3rd line and runs a couple of veterans and Yakupov gets better acquainted with the various popcorn vendors of the NHL this season, maybe he doesn’t.

But if I’m already waving two massive red capes at the opposition’s bulls on the 1st and 2nd line you’d be damned sure I’d try and stick the knife in real quietly with that 3rd line.

Consider the Flames’ 3rd defense pairing of Engelland and Russell (presumably) against Lander, Yakupov and Korpikoski or Letestu. I’d take that matchup most any day.

AnOmYnOuS1

wheatnoil: McLellan has changed strategies over the years with the Sharks. That may be related to his development as a coach but also likely using the players he has and adapting his strategies to optimize his roster.

It’s possible he sees this Oilers team as more of a Top 6 / Bottom 6 to start the year. However, he’s shown flexibility in the past and may expand to a Top 9 / Bottom 3 if he thinks he’s got the horses for it.

It’s also possible that he wants to just over-load the first two lines and run the hell out of them to destroy the opposition.

I think part of his rolling 3 lines may be his ageing roster. Thorton and Marleau were getting up there and so probably couldn’t handle quite as many minutes and still remain effective. It’ll be interesting to see since he has done a top 6/bottom 6 approach as well as the top 9/bottom 3.

I’m actually expecting him to make changes between games. A team like Arizona he could probably just overload, they don’t have enough depth to take that kind of beating from 2 lines. A team like Chigaco and Tampa, you’ll need a semi-competent 3rd line to match up against them. Is it October yet?

speeds

Woodguy: I want 3 scoring lines quite badly.

18 min
18 min
16 min
8 min

Is how I’d hand out the TOI (or something like that)

I was reading the McLellen tea leaves based on all his verbal over the last couple days.

Also,

Crosby’s work with Kunitz makes me unsure how much an “elite” finisher is needed as opposed to “competent finisher who plays 3ft from the net”

I think that would be my general thought as well, that I don’t mind the idea of McDavid/RNH/Draisaitl as the C’s picking up nearly all of the ~52min at ES and PP. However, that doesn’t necessarily mean that they’d be ready for that this season, as opposed to 2 seasons from now when hopefully (a) a guy like Slepyshev has developed to add W depth and (b) McDavid and RNH are so established that EDM is now the team that wingers want to sign with for 1 year, 1M contracts to rehabilitate value.

Woodguy

wheatnoil: McLellan has changed strategies over the years with the Sharks. That may be related to his development as a coach but also likely using the players he has and adapting his strategies to optimize his roster.

It’s possible he sees this Oilers team as more of a Top 6 / Bottom 6 to start the year. However, he’s shown flexibility in the past and may expand to a Top 9 / Bottom 3 if he thinks he’s got the horses for it.

It’s also possible that he wants to just over-load the first two lines and run the hell out of them to destroy the opposition.

I’m going off his verbal.

Did you listen to his interviews with Bob and Gene?

RexLibris

G Money: I have repeatability numbers and charts for a bunch of different stats for 13-14 and 14-15 combined:

That is perhaps the most GMoney thing I’ve ever seen your write.

Is it strange that I imagine it as a chart on your bedroom wall complete with Raquel Welch leather bikini? Or am I guilty of projecting?

Probably best if we don’t explore that idea. 🙂

Woodguy

AnOmYnOuS1:
sliderule,

I don’t think that’s fully accurate. While not the playmaker that Nuge or Drai are, he is still solid. He was centering Forsberg and Eriksson and the World Championships and did a pretty good job. His line was destroying Crosby’s line before they threw Hall and Ebs with him. He even got 3G 4A in 8 GP. Now he’s not going to blow you away, but I think he does a respectable job.

Agreed.

This isn’t the Renney Lander anymore.

The biggest thing is that line is going to see A LOT of 3rd pair Dmen and think that’s very exploitable if there’s some talent on the line.

GIMME THE GODDAM UNICORNS ALREADY!!!

wheatnoil

Woodguy: I want 3 scoring lines quite badly.

18 min
18 min
16 min
8 min

Is how I’d hand out the TOI (or something like that)

I was reading the McLellen tea leaves based on all his verbal over the last couple days.

McLellan has changed strategies over the years with the Sharks. That may be related to his development as a coach but also likely using the players he has and adapting his strategies to optimize his roster.

It’s possible he sees this Oilers team as more of a Top 6 / Bottom 6 to start the year. However, he’s shown flexibility in the past and may expand to a Top 9 / Bottom 3 if he thinks he’s got the horses for it.

It’s also possible that he wants to just over-load the first two lines and run the hell out of them to destroy the opposition.

AnOmYnOuS1

Woodguy,

No worries WG.

RexLibris,

Sorry, Rex. I must have missed that.

Did someone say Hemsky? He would be welcome back. Fills that RW slot in the top 9.
Hall-McDavid-Hemsky
Pouliot-Nuge-Eberle

Darn salary cap.

Woodguy

LadiesloveSmid:
RexLibris,

who does TB have on the farm?

maybe they will claim Ortio off waivers

Ludlevskis is their 3rd goalie.

He’s the Latvian who stopped 55/57 against the Canadian at the 2014 Olympics.

They’re fine in goal.

Edit: He only put up a. 900 in the AHL last year. They might shore it up but I doubt it……

AnOmYnOuS1

sliderule,

I don’t think that’s fully accurate. While not the playmaker that Nuge or Drai are, he is still solid. He was centering Forsberg and Eriksson and the World Championships and did a pretty good job. His line was destroying Crosby’s line before they threw Hall and Ebs with him. He even got 3G 4A in 8 GP. Now he’s not going to blow you away, but I think he does a respectable job.

Woodguy

G Money: Maybe that’s the case, but I’m not sure I believe it.

If you have both future-Crosby and future-Thornton (plus future-or-maybe-here-and-now-Datsyuk) on your team, do you throw all of them, or any two of them, on a line together?

If there’s one thing that Crosby (in many years in Pit, plus this year at the WHCs) has shown, its that elite C’s, especially gifted passers, still need elite finishing wingers to maximize their impact on the game.

I expect many things from the elite and gifted passing skills of Leon Draisaitl, but elite finishing is not one of my expectations.

I want 3 scoring lines quite badly.

18 min
18 min
16 min
8 min

Is how I’d hand out the TOI (or something like that)

I was reading the McLellen tea leaves based on all his verbal over the last couple days.

Also,

Crosby’s work with Kunitz makes me unsure how much an “elite” finisher is needed as opposed to “competent finisher who plays 3ft from the net”

G Money

Snowman,

Maybe. The question at that point is not who will create more chances, but who will ultimately finish more chances.

Two playmakers: 10 chances/60, finish 1

Playmaker + finisher: 7 chances/60, finish 2

is something like the real-life version of the equation I suspect.

Would be an interesting project to see if the numbers actually support that hypothesis.

(No I’m not adding it to my project list!!)

LadiesloveSmid

RexLibris,

who does TB have on the farm?

maybe they will claim Ortio off waivers

Woodguy

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
Woodguy,

Are you counting this past season as one? Just curious.

No.

Also,

I’m mostly trolling the Falmes fan because he’s an awful poster for this site.

Woodguy

AnOmYnOuS1:
Woodguy,

Wasn’t meant in any sort of negative way. I’m a huge fan of Hall. Just thought that it was funny that the two numbers added up, except Hall still has another year.

Ahh.

I’m in a snippy mood and going after Hall is DSF’s goto move since Gagner was traded.

Apologies sir/madam.

G Money

RexLibris,

I have a draft article in the works on yours and my favourite topic per Yost – repeatability.

I have repeatability numbers and charts for a bunch of different stats for 13-14 and 14-15 combined:

Pts/G Y1 to Y2: regr=( 0.525, 0.5) r= 0.535 r^2=0.286 p= 0.0000 err=0.109
CF% Y1 to Y2: regr=( 0.769, 11.6) r= 0.719 r^2=0.517 p= 0.0000 err=0.098
SF% Y1 to Y2: regr=( 0.706, 14.7) r= 0.691 r^2=0.478 p= 0.0000 err=0.097
SCF% Y1 to Y2: regr=( 0.752, 12.4) r= 0.702 r^2=0.492 p= 0.0000 err=0.100
GF% Y1 to Y2: regr=( 0.499, 25.0) r= 0.504 r^2=0.254 p= 0.0000 err=0.112
Sh% Y1 to Y2: regr=( 0.245, 5.8) r= 0.308 r^2=0.095 p= 0.0167 err=0.099
Sv% Y1 to Y2: regr=( 0.191, 74.7) r= 0.221 r^2=0.049 p= 0.0894 err=0.110
PDO Y1 to Y2: regr=( 0.261, 73.9) r= 0.313 r^2=0.098 p= 0.0149 err=0.104
FO% Y1 to Y2: regr=( 0.461, 27.0) r= 0.481 r^2=0.231 p= 0.0001 err=0.110
PenD Y1 to Y2: regr=( 0.434, 0.0) r= 0.346 r^2=0.120 p= 0.0067 err=0.155

PPSh% Y1 to Y2: regr=( 0.140, 10.7) r= 0.156 r^2=0.024 p= 0.2343 err=0.117
PPSCF60 Y1 to Y2: regr=( 0.558, 22.6) r= 0.596 r^2=0.355 p= 0.0000 err=0.099
PPCF60 Y1 to Y2: regr=( 0.676, 34.0) r= 0.675 r^2=0.456 p= 0.0000 err=0.097
PPSF60 Y1 to Y2: regr=( 0.446, 30.1) r= 0.469 r^2=0.220 p= 0.0002 err=0.110
PPGF60 Y1 to Y2: regr=( 0.304, 4.6) r= 0.333 r^2=0.111 p= 0.0094 err=0.113
PP% Y1 to Y2: regr=( 0.298, 7.7) r= 0.328 r^2=0.107 p= 0.0106 err=0.113
PKSv% Y1 to Y2: regr=(-0.037, 90.7) r=-0.044 r^2=0.002 p= 0.7378 err=0.109
PKSCA60 Y1 to Y2: regr=( 0.620, 19.7) r= 0.659 r^2=0.434 p= 0.0000 err=0.093
PKCA60 Y1 to Y2: regr=( 0.545, 46.6) r= 0.645 r^2=0.416 p= 0.0000 err=0.085
PKSA60 Y1 to Y2: regr=( 0.485, 28.0) r= 0.562 r^2=0.316 p= 0.0000 err=0.094
PKGA60 Y1 to Y2: regr=( 0.173, 5.5) r= 0.192 r^2=0.037 p= 0.1417 err=0.116

Let me know if you would like any of those for your article. The charts look like this:

http://i.imgur.com/LgnTiP6.png

RexLibris

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Chiarelli: Hiya, Steve, sorry to hear about Vasilevsky.

Yzerman: Thanks, Peter. What can I do for you?

Chiarelli: Well, I was thinking see, and I’ve got Scrivens just hanging around here…

sliderule

If Drai or Yak end up playing with Lander it will be very disappointing for whomever gets stuck on his line.
Lander is solid defensively and will probably get some points on the power play but he just doesn’t make plays.
If it’s yak that ends up on his line it will be the end of the line for him.He is primarily a shooter and without a playmaking center he would suffer.
Drai would do ok but it would be a waste of his skill.Better in AHL at center than in bottom six in NHL.

G Money

Pajamah,

I think we’re violently agreeing. I think Kunitz (though some will argue “chemistry”) was a bit of an anchor on Crosby. He goes to show that an elite passer can make an OK scorer look really good. But it’s still a pale shadow compared to what you get when you combine an elite passer with an elite finisher.

I think hindsight on that situation, along with seeing the effect of Hall/Eberle with Crosby at the World’s, is why Pittsburgh went out and got Phil Chub Rocks. For the same reason, I expect an out of this world year for both players next year (I’m not a Phan of Phil, but his talent is unquestionable).

Snowman

G Money: Maybe that’s the case, but I’m not sure I believe it.

If you have both future-Crosby and future-Thornton (plus future-or-maybe-here-and-now-Datsyuk) on your team, do you throw all of them, or any two of them, on a line together?

If there’s one thing that Crosby (in many years in Pit, plus this year at the WHCs) has shown, its that elite C’s, especially gifted passers, still need elite finishing wingers to maximize their impact on the game.

I expect many things from the elite and gifted passing skills of Leon Draisaitl, but elite finishing is not one of my expectations.

Some players can only finish and they do it very well. Nuge or Drai may not be Kessel but they’ll finish well enough to cash their chances and they’ll get more chances creating for each other than the team would get with Nuge or Drai creating for a finisher alone. I don’t think you need a pure finisher if you have two guys who can finish pretty well. Hopefully they create more chances than they miss.

RexLibris

Cameron: It’s like drinking irony from a firehose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x0vMpFMQF4

RexLibris

G Money: I expect many things from the elite and gifted passing skills of Leon Draisaitl, but elite finishing is not one of my expectations.

You’ve obviously forgotten about the many times Hemsky passed the puck into the net after deking out two defenders and skating around the goalie.

Do you need a YT refresher?

flyfish1168

Cameron: The ‘Drai on wing’ development is interesting to me. As I recall Oilers brass passed on a higher rated/ceiling player to take Drai specificallybecause he is a ‘big-body center’. A year later and his only hope to make the roster is by not being one.

And while the obvious answer ‘McDavid changes everything’ is fair enough on it’s face, McDavid’s chief competetion for the Calder will be the guy you passed over to take Drai.

It’s like drinking irony from a firehose.

That’s ok your are envious of Leon. Benney and Yahoo will be instant targets and you will have a chance at a big top 6 in Mathews.

RexLibris

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
Speaking of regression to the meat…
http://www.tsn.ca/talent/how-analytics-forecast-future-success-and-failure-1.355108

Take that Calgary. And go away, Cameron! Love Bennett. Great pick for the Flames. But the Drai pick was just fine for the Oil. In a couple of years when it’s McDavid-Nuge-Drai-Yakimov down the middle, watch out.

Mentioned that on twitter yesterday.

I had tried to do something similar a short while ago but lack the data-capturing abilities of Yost and others.

I’m citing Yost’s article in my Flames RE.

As for Bennett, we don’t know if he’ll follow the Brule path or not. He lost an entire year to shoulder rehab but came on reasonably well in the NHL playoffs. I’ll have to see a lot more, one way or another, to declare him injury-prone.

I’d be concerned that his Kingston team was so easily handled in the OHL playoffs and he was on the ice for a lot of goals against. And as I’ve always said, if I have to choose between an Iginla or a Thornton type, I’ll take the player who dishes the puck and creates chances for his fellow skaters over the one-shot trigger man every day.

Woodguy,

Are you counting this past season as one? Just curious.

AnOmYnOuS1

Woodguy,

Wasn’t meant in any sort of negative way. I’m a huge fan of Hall. Just thought that it was funny that the two numbers added up, except Hall still has another year.

Speaking of regression to the meat…
http://www.tsn.ca/talent/how-analytics-forecast-future-success-and-failure-1.355108

Take that Calgary. And go away, Cameron! Love Bennett. Great pick for the Flames. But the Drai pick was just fine for the Oil. In a couple of years when it’s McDavid-Nuge-Drai-Yakimov down the middle, watch out.

Woodguy

AnOmYnOuS1: So funny thing about 325 games…
Taylor Hall NHL GP 299 + AHL 26 = 325 Pro games in 5 years
I was curious as to how many Hall had played and discovered that if we count the lockout AHL games he’s hit that number exactly. Quite the coincidence.

Hi DSF

I said 6 seasons.

Pay attention.

AnOmYnOuS1

Woodguy:
I doubt he plays more than 325 games in the first 6 years of his career.

So funny thing about 325 games…
Taylor Hall NHL GP 299 + AHL 26 = 325 Pro games in 5 years
I was curious as to how many Hall had played and discovered that if we count the lockout AHL games he’s hit that number exactly. Quite the coincidence.

Ca$h-McMoney!

Ryan Pilon is apparently quitting hockey. Won’t be playing for the Wheat Kings this year and won’t be attending Islanders camp, as per the Brandon newspaper.

Wow.

I mean I was admittedly cheering against the kid because of the way he walked away from the Hurricanes, but this is something else. Good thing no one used a second round pick on him.

Woodguy

wheatnoil: He’ll be Bono’s favourite hockey player?

Correct.

Woodguy

Ducey: Yes,all are idiots: Edmontonian’s, politicians, taxpayers, stadium builders…all except Colby

If only we could satisfy the critics – of course an impossibility.

The critics never seem to do anything, other than criticize.In this case Colby seems bent out of shape because at least in part, we cannot foresee the future.

I know lots of people like this.They arm themselves with vocabulary and self righteousness. When you are ask them:“You know maybe you should run for politics or start your own company, or get active on that issue”then respond with incredulity.

I expect bashing Edmonton goes over well in Eastern Canada – the home of the “National” Post.Somewhere the elite can feel sanctimonious before rushing off to a fundraiser for a new publically funded art gallery.

Of course, the LRT has nothing to do with the new arena.Of course, the average Edmontonian is quite happy and content.We are rightly excited about the new arena, because not only will it be “cool” but it has spurred a revitalization of the downtown to the extent that the revitalization levy will bring in much more than forecast, and the $3 billionin investment is providing a ton of jobs.

I’ll be quite happy to go to watch a game or concert, or coach my kids while they play at the community rink.I’ll have a beer at a nearby restaurant or bar. I’ll be happy knowing that the investment in the arena will be paid back, and is more important to me than a couple of overpasses and a community center.

Rexall was never put in the right place, and many other arenas around N. America will never meet the economic models they were supposed to.And I know that people say that the economic impact is muted because it just takes investment from other areas of a city.But we needed investment in downtown.It has been stunted for too long by the Mall, and the car.

So bring on the arena.And fuck you Colby.

I have no idea how you could read that piece and come away with that as his message.

Pajamah

G Money,

As the sole member of the Anti-Kunitz’s, I’m inclined to disagree with you.

Kunitz is a fucking bum, and leeches points of Crosby enough to actually attain an international resume. Its a joke. He makes those average into good, or maybe even really good in some cases.

He drags those pilons around like city road worker.

LadiesloveSmid

Cameron: The ‘Drai on wing’ development is interesting to me. As I recall Oilers brass passed on a higher rated/ceiling player to take Drai specificallybecause he is a ‘big-body center’. A year later and his only hope to make the roster is by not being one.

And while the obvious answer ‘McDavid changes everything’ is fair enough on it’s face, McDavid’s chief competetion for the Calder will be the guy you passed over to take Drai.

It’s like drinking irony from a firehose.

They drafted Leon because they needed a player that brought a different dimension to their top 6. Can you imagine the scrutiny they’d get if they took another 180 lb kid who had a shoulder injury before the season even started? Bennett’s frame can’t support his style of play against men. They didn’t and still don’t need a scrappy little kid that dies in the corners. Big, puck protecting guy that can line up at C or wing is actually exactly what they need in the top 6.

Pretty funny that flames fans think Bennett will be better than Reinhart and Eichel this year too. If there’s one fan base that toots their own horn like no other…

wheatnoil

Woodguy:
Sam Bennett will be the next Gilbert Brule

He’ll be Bono’s favourite hockey player?

Woodguy

Sam Bennett will be the next Gilbert Brule

I doubt he plays more than 70 games in any one season in his career.

I doubt he plays more than 325 games in the first 6 years of his career.

Everyone will say “Great junior player, too bad about all the injuries. We’ll never know what could have been”