STUCK INSIDE OF MOBILE WITH THE MEMPHIS BLUES AGAIN

by Lowetide

Anton Slepyshev! If you’re looking for one name who impressed more than expected this camp (among the kids), the speedy Russian winger with good size and a quick release is a stone alone this morning. After the Oilers sent down 18 last night, the competition for jobs is both less populated and more intense. Let’s have a look.

OILERS ROSTER TODAY

oilers roster sep 27

The cuts last night put a few things into clearer view. I think we can make a case for Leon Draisaitl making the team and serving as both winger and No. 5 center (Matt Hendricks can also fill that 5C role). Brandon Davidson remaining this deep into camp suggests there’s at least some consideration for him breaking camp with the big team—perhaps at the expense of both Griffin Reinhart and Darnell Nurse. Trading Davidson may also be an option.

The goalie battle is the most interesting one at this point. Anders Nilsson is signed to a friendly deal and he’s under control next season (RFA), so there’s a long range issue here along with the here and now. Are Nilsson and Scrivens equal? If they are, contract status could be enough to send Scrivens away. We should also talk about the possibility of starting the season with 3G, 8D, and 12F. It could happen.

WHO GETS CUT?

First, let’s assume that Iiro Pakarinen, Mitch Moroz, Dillon Simpson and Joey Laleggia begin the season on IR. That leaves 15F, 10D and 3G left—28 men. Based purely on performance, the final five moves would be:

  • R Teddy Purcell (IR)
  • L Luke Gazdic
  • D Darnell Nurse
  • D Eric Gryba
  • G Ben Scrivens

I don’t believe that’s going to happen, for obvious reasons. If I’m guessing today about the cuts, I’ll go Anton Slepyshev, Darnell Nurse, Brandon Davidson and Griffin Reinhart. That leaves a roster of 13F, 7D and 3G—and that may last until the club is certain Talbot—Nilsson is a workable tandem. If Purcell goes on IR, you might see Reinhart stay among the group I’ve mentioned.

THE WAIVER WIRE

At 10 this morning, we’ll hear the laundry list of waiver eligibles, this time including a few Oilers players. Let’s have a quick look at each of them.

  • L Ryan Hamilton (Pre-season: 1GP, 0-1-1). I knew he would have a difficult time making the roster, McLellan’s Oilers are going to be fast trains. Hamilton has a lot of good things in his game but that one thing has him here.
  • R Andrew Miller (Pre-season: 3GP, 1-1-2). I think he played very well, but more impressive performances by men like Leon Draisaitl, Anton Slepyshev and even Lauri Korpikoski cut him out of the team photo. He could be called up during the season, and there’s a chance he gets claimed on waivers (although it seems a distant bell).
  • R Tyler Pitlick (Pre-season: 3GP, 0-0-0). He was not close to good enough. Pitlick’s performance this TC is a lot like his pro career, looks good on the ice without much ever happening. As difficult as his rookie AHL season was (.371 points-per-game) the real story is what happened after (or what didn’t). Hunter Shinkaruk (.419 points-per-game his rookie season) had a similar rookie AHL experience but the expectations are high (as they were for Pitlick) and one assumes he’ll find a way to make himself useful. Pitlick may need (in the words of Craig MacTavish) a second opinion.
  • D Brad Hunt (Pre-season: 1GP, 0-0-0). He got lost in the flood. Edmonton has a lot of defensemen now, including puck movers like Joey Laleggia—who may make life miserable for Hunt in the AHL this season as the team looks at their new offensive defender. Hunt is unlikely to be claimed on waivers but I wouldn’t be surprised to see a minor league deal sending him to another AHL club.

LUKE GAZDIC!

We have this conversation every fall, get rid of the enforcer. The Edmonton Oilers believe this player type has value and I don’t see Peter Chiarelli or Todd McLellan causing a change in the weather. I’ve made my views on this known (there’s really no evidence this kind of player helps in any area) but that and $1.50 will get you an extra-large coffee. If Luke Gazdic doesn’t make this roster, I’ll fall off my chair.

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wintoon

Woodguy,

When you also realize that Scrivens puck handling is a total nightmare then you realize that Nilsson may be a stronger option.

Ryan

Woodguy: Doobie put up a .893 in 13/14 over 32 games with the Oilers.

Interesting point though.

Yes, I didn’t add Doobie since I had mentioned him already in a previous comment. We all know his journey back from the abyss–traded for salary dump (Hendricks) then traded for future consideration and then sailing thru waivers twice without getting claimed.

It’s still worth noting that Scrivens’ 57 game foray into sub .900 goaltending has him so far off the charts, he’s a completely unique outlier.

One-Timer

G Money:
Ca$h-McMoney!,

The real fear is: what if Talbot dips, Scrivens doesn’t rebound, and Nilsson shits the bed against real NHL opposition?

That is when the Oilers apply for a special Commissioner’s Exemption to use foam targets instead of a goalie.

Lois Lowe

flyfish1168:
Interesting story here

http://thehockeywriters.com/oilers-trying-to-pawn-off-nikita-nikitin/

I hope it is successful

This article is either perfect satire or the most unintentionally hilarious thing I’ve read all week. I look forward to many more if the Oilers actually become relevant league-wide.

The thread today seems very meta.

Pastor of Disaster

If Sleppy is Stuck Inside of Mobile, then hopefully Nikitin can Go [His] Way (and We’ll Go Ours). That would be Absolutely Sweet, Marie. Outside of Howson and MacT, does NN even have 5 Believers? I doubt it. Maybe his time with the Oilers this season will only be Temporary. Like Achilles.

I guess One of Us Will Know (Sooner or Later).

Woodguy

ASkoreyko: So wait, are you trying to claim that Woodguy is some nerd in the basement who has never played the game and therefor his opinion is irrelevant? Yet in the same paragraph you immediately discount Darrel Sutter who is probably the polar opposite of a basement dwelling nerd and then state your own opinion as the truth?

You can’t have it both ways.

It would seem you are going to dismiss anything that doesn’t fit your own viewpoint which is fine, but then why even bother posting on LT? If you already have your mind made up and will refuse to acknowledge anything that goes against you why even bother? You know what is right and just leave it at that.

That’s way more coherent of a response than what I was going to write.

Woodguy

Ryan: I just did an in-depth analysis that involved about five minutes of refreshing pages at stats.hockeyanalysis.com that took me back to 2007-8.

In short a sub .900 EV SV over the course of more than 20 NHL games portends either retirement or a flight to Europe.In other words, it’s where NHL goalies careers go to die.

Notable names included Christobal Huet 2009-10 with an .893 EV sv% who went on to play the following season in the Swiss B league.

Other notable names included guys like Roloson and Brodeur who were headed fo retirement.

Vesa Toskala had a .9004 EV sv% over 26 games in 2009-10 which basically signaled the end of this NHL career.

Antti Raanta has so far lived to fight another day after posting an .8934 over 25 games in 2013-4.

If Scrivens can carve out an NHL career after his sub .900 EV SV% from 57 games last season, contrary to your assertion…He wouldn’t just be an exception to the norm, he’d be the first goalie to land on the fucking moon.

Doobie put up a .893 in 13/14 over 32 games with the Oilers.

Interesting point though.

böök¡je

Woodguy: My issue is that Scrivens wasn’t that good before EDM picked him up, he just ran hot for 19 games for LAK.

From my goalie thing:

Scrivens is a fine young man and I would let him date my daughter.I woudn’t let him play goal for my hockey team though.He’s had only 1 decent year out of his 4 NHL years.The other 3 have been bad to very bad.As I mentioned in my previous post, MacT’s bet on him was not a good one as he lacked the track record you want for making these types of bets.Oilers should retain salary and trade him.

Linky: http://becauseoilers.blogspot.ca/2015/05/a-look-at-top-ufa-goalies-and-some.html

I looked for trends of elite & startinggoalies and found that being ranked high in Adjusted SV% regularly was pretty common among the good ones and non-existent among the poor ones.

If we look at Scrivens’ yearly ranks we see:

11/12 – 51/58
12/13 – 30/48
13/14 – 17/55
14-15 – 46/48

You can even go a step further and break his 13/14 year down to:

LAK 4/54 (ran hot) (min 500 min played)
EDM 25/46 (min 500 min played)

Outside of 18 games for LAK where he ran hotter than the Sun, Scrivens has not shown himself to be much more than a replacement level goalie.

He might rebound, but I see his high point being “Almost NHL starter”, that’s simply not good enough and a thin bet for a guy who is going UFA at the end of the year.

So basically what you are saying is that you just don’t like people from Spruce Grove.

ASkoreyko

BONVIE: It’s that type of thinking that ended up having management draft Yakapov and look how that is turning out.

Hindsight makes everyone the smartest person in the room. Yakupov was the consensus #1 pick. The Oilers would of been taking a much larger risk in picking Murray or even worse Trouba with the #1 pick.

Sometimes these things don’t work out the way they are supposed to, but you have to remember to judge the decision at that point in time.

Zelepukin

Woodguy: My issue is that Scrivens wasn’t that good before EDM picked him up, he just ran hot for 19 games for LAK.

From my goalie thing:

Scrivens is a fine young man and I would let him date my daughter.I woudn’t let him play goal for my hockey team though.He’s had only 1 decent year out of his 4 NHL years.The other 3 have been bad to very bad.As I mentioned in my previous post, MacT’s bet on him was not a good one as he lacked the track record you want for making these types of bets.Oilers should retain salary and trade him.

Linky: http://becauseoilers.blogspot.ca/2015/05/a-look-at-top-ufa-goalies-and-some.html

I looked for trends of elite & startinggoalies and found that being ranked high in Adjusted SV% regularly was pretty common among the good ones and non-existent among the poor ones.

If we look at Scrivens’ yearly ranks we see:

11/12 – 51/58
12/13 – 30/48
13/14 – 17/55
14-15 – 46/48

You can even go a step further and break his 13/14 year down to:

LAK 4/54 (ran hot) (min 500 min played)
EDM 25/46 (min 500 min played)

Outside of 18 games for LAK where he ran hotter than the Sun, Scrivens has not shown himself to be much more than a replacement level goalie.

He might rebound, but I see his high point being “Almost NHL starter”, that’s simply not good enough and a thin bet for a guy who is going UFA at the end of the year.

This. Plus add in the fact that all you need to do is watch him play and you’ll notice that he has a lot of bad habits, aka, Scrivens gonna scriv. He constantly flops forward as a solution to smother easy shots, leaving the net wide open for rebounds. He does not handle the puck well and he has an uncanny ability to let in weak-side shots. The advocates for Scrivens to make the team are probably the same people who believe Ference deserves a regular shift.

Woodguy

book¡je: Didn’t G-Money or Willis or somebody (sorry) make a pretty strong evidenced based argument that Scrivens was likely to return to his earlier form and be a solid goalie?

If you’re in Chia’s position, you probably worry more about keeping the guy that helps you as a backup this year over “I hope” and “maybe” but it’s a possibility that Scrivens goes all Dubnyk on us.

My issue is that Scrivens wasn’t that good before EDM picked him up, he just ran hot for 19 games for LAK.

From my goalie thing:

Scrivens is a fine young man and I would let him date my daughter. I woudn’t let him play goal for my hockey team though. He’s had only 1 decent year out of his 4 NHL years. The other 3 have been bad to very bad. As I mentioned in my previous post, MacT’s bet on him was not a good one as he lacked the track record you want for making these types of bets. Oilers should retain salary and trade him.

Linky: http://becauseoilers.blogspot.ca/2015/05/a-look-at-top-ufa-goalies-and-some.html

I looked for trends of elite & starting goalies and found that being ranked high in Adjusted SV% regularly was pretty common among the good ones and non-existent among the poor ones.

If we look at Scrivens’ yearly ranks we see:

11/12 – 51/58
12/13 – 30/48
13/14 – 17/55
14-15 – 46/48

You can even go a step further and break his 13/14 year down to:

LAK 4/54 (ran hot) (min 500 min played)
EDM 25/46 (min 500 min played)

Outside of 18 games for LAK where he ran hotter than the Sun, Scrivens has not shown himself to be much more than a replacement level goalie.

He might rebound, but I see his high point being “Almost NHL starter”, that’s simply not good enough and a thin bet for a guy who is going UFA at the end of the year.

Ca$h-McMoney!

BONVIE,

As opposed to Ryan Murray? Or are you suggesting they should have used the pick to draft a guy that played 2 games that year?

Or they should have gone way off the board and selected a guy that went in the 10 range like Trouba?

BONVIE

Ca$h-McMoney!:
G Money,

Totally possible.The talking heads will crucify this management team if that happens.They’ll say “should have signed a veteran” operating under the assumption that a quality veteran was available.We all understand that with goaltending all you can do is make good bets, but they’re still bets.

I like the bets we’ve made.

It’s that type of thinking that ended up having management draft Yakapov and look how that is turning out.

Ca$h-McMoney!

G Money,

Totally possible. The talking heads will crucify this management team if that happens. They’ll say “should have signed a veteran” operating under the assumption that a quality veteran was available. We all understand that with goaltending all you can do is make good bets, but they’re still bets.

I like the bets we’ve made.

dangilitis

RexLibris:
Boyes signs in TO for $700,000, per twitter.

That’s a good player at a good price. I’d prefer him on the opening day roster over Korpikoski, Purcell (at his price tag), Gazdic, and Slepyshev (this year)

BONVIE

I sure hope they keep Nillson. I always liked him as a prospect and was surprised when we picked him up for nothing.

My opinion of Nillson is he is our best chance long term in filling in the mess Mctavish made by trading out a top 10 NHL goalie. I really like Cam Talbot but I’m not confident he will be the type of goalie that will Filll the massive void left by trading out our starter. I’ve seen way too much of Scriven’s bad goaltending already I’m like Woodguy in I don’t need to see anymore.

I am in favour of keeping Gryba, Davidson, and Rheinhart. I like the fact they can play Defense. Please send Nikitin to the minors if they can’t make the trade.

G Money

Ca$h-McMoney!,

Yup. I like the Talbot signing. I like the Nilsson signing as a challenge to both Talbot and Scrivens.

But unless one of those guys plays himself off the team and makes it easy, I don’t envy the guy making the decisions.

On the other hand, deciding between three goalies all of whom give you a decent shot at winning is a problem this team hasn’t had in quite a long while.

The real fear is: what if Talbot dips, Scrivens doesn’t rebound, and Nilsson shits the bed against real NHL opposition?

Klima's_Bucket

RexLibris: Boyes signs in TO for $700,000, per twitter.

I’d rather have Purcell at 4.5 Mill…

RexLibris

Boyes signs in TO for $700,000, per twitter.

Ca$h-McMoney!

I think the thing to consider might be the perception vs. reality of keeping Scrivens/Nilsson.

This is why I think it’s going to be really tough for these guys to run a tandem of Talbot/Nilsson. If they struggle, the media is going to crucify you. Your tandem has a combined, what, 50 NHL starts between the two of them?

This is why I maintain Nilsson has an uphill battle. Personally I’m in the pro Nilsson camp, I just don’t think it will happen.

John Chambers

oliveoilers:
wheatnoil,

LOL, my list for Bat Sh!t Crazy GMs are, in no particular order,

1)Jim Benning

2)Don Sweeney

3)Jim Rutherford

One of these I suspect to be the sock puppet of Cam Neeley.

It’s strange seeing it happen to someone else for a change.

I thought Rutherford had a decent summer getting the cheaper Bonino and giving up second-tier assets to obtain Kessel.

Pittsburghs defense is a bit young but I have these guys pegged to win their division.

Aron_S

Ryan:
If Scrivens can carve out an NHL career after his sub .900 EV SV% from 57 games last season, contrary to your assertion…He wouldn’t just be an exception to the norm, he’d be the first goalie to land on the fucking moon.

Kudos. This made me laugh so hard I nearly coughed up a lung with the cold I’m fighting.

Jethro Tull

G Money: If you want a good recent comparable to Scrivens, Varlamov might be a reasonable start. (Lower numbers over about 40 more games, then posted a .903 over 35 games, then went on to be a Vezina candidate the next year). Ditto Dubnyk and his .890.

“…in this week’s episode of extreme outliers playing for markedly better/luckier teams…..”

😉

böök¡je

Thanks G-Wheat!

Woodguy- you’re being hard on Scrivens. Without his nearly record breaking season last year, the Oilers wouldn’t have McDavid, and Lowe and MacT would still be in charge. Really, the Mayor should declare the first day of the season as Scriven’s Day in the City and we should throw him a damn parade.

We can fly him in from Bakersfield to attend.

G Money

Ryan,

So what you’re saying is … goalies near the end of their career tend to see a decline in sv%?

How does Roloson having a poor sv% near the end of his long and distinguished career tell you *anything* about Scrivens?

The questions at hand are:
– if a goalie posts good numbers early in his career, how common is a dip? Answer: quite.
– if a goalie posts good numbers early, how likely is it that they fail out? Answer: not very. Goalies that fail out tend to post poor numbers early. Something your five minute study should have confirmed. Example: Viktor Fasth.

Based on a substantive data set (all 143 goalies in the last decade, weeded down to 40+ in our study), Scrivens is a good bet to rebound.

Note the word “bet”. There are no certainties. It is certainly possible that he will fail out. But if he does, he’ll be the first goalie in a decade to post his kind of numbers early and then fail out.

If you want a good recent comparable to Scrivens, Varlamov might be a reasonable start. (Lower numbers over about 40 more games, then posted a .903 over 35 games, then went on to be a Vezina candidate the next year). Ditto Dubnyk and his .890.

NecrOILmancer

Ryan:
If Scrivens can carve out an NHL career after his sub .900 EV SV% from 57 games last season, contrary to your assertion…He wouldn’t just be an exception to the norm, he’ be the first goalie to land on the fucking moon.

One small stop for man, one giant leap for Oilerkind.

stevezie

So most (but not woodguy) agree scrivens is probably the safer bet, but his contract might be the deciding factor.

But deciding which way? Will anyone want Scrivens at that price?

If not, is it so bad to ask Nilsson to increase his N.A. sample size in the A while splitting games with Broissoint? Et Etc can rock the ECHL for a month or so.

Is that so bad? The alternative is putting all our eggs in Scrivens’ or Nilsson’s basket. Considering it is his first year as a starter, i expect Talbot will need a strong backup.

EDIT: Put Ryan in the WG category

Ryan

wheatnoil:
Ryan,

Fair questions. I think, to start, it’s worth looking at the data and G Money has put it together nicely here.

https://oilersnerdalert.wordpress.com/2015/06/20/goalies-are-not-voodoo-if-they-make-it-to-60-or-so-nhl-games/

That’s actually the 3rd in the series and we didn’t vigorously analyze the “dip” we were talking about. That came from G Money’s first post where he saw that there was significant early career volatility in many elite goaltenders.

That post is here… https://oilersnerdalert.wordpress.com/2015/06/07/more-blogs-about-goalies-and-food/

That said, to reiterate, your questions are valid. Neither of us really dug in to exactly how common that dip is, how long it lasts and when we should expect it to rebound. However, there’s the initial work on it and there’s some good stuff in the comments by TheGreatMutato on a few more goalies. Mason, in particular, is an interesting one I think.

I just did an in-depth analysis that involved about five minutes of refreshing pages at stats.hockeyanalysis.com that took me back to 2007-8.

In short a sub .900 EV SV over the course of more than 20 NHL games portends either retirement or a flight to Europe. In other words, it’s where NHL goalies careers go to die.

Notable names included Christobal Huet 2009-10 with an .893 EV sv% who went on to play the following season in the Swiss B league.

Other notable names included guys like Roloson and Brodeur who were headed fo retirement.

Vesa Toskala had a .9004 EV sv% over 26 games in 2009-10 which basically signaled the end of this NHL career.

Antti Raanta has so far lived to fight another day after posting an .8934 over 25 games in 2013-4.

If Scrivens can carve out an NHL career after his sub .900 EV SV% from 57 games last season, contrary to your assertion… He wouldn’t just be an exception to the norm, he’d be the first goalie to land on the fucking moon.

John Chambers

Josh Donaldson. Just wow.

Jethro Tull

wheatnoil,

LOL, my list for Bat Sh!t Crazy GMs are, in no particular order,

1) Jim Benning

2) Don Sweeney

3) Jim Rutherford

One of these I suspect to be the sock puppet of Cam Neeley.

It’s strange seeing it happen to someone else for a change.

jake70

Man, Josh Donaldson another walk off homer. This is what it feels like to cheer for a team that wins. Been long time.

Klima's_Bucket

Bruce McCurdy,

Thanks for letting me know!

wheatnoil

oliveoilers,

Agreed, wasn’t meaning to blame the Oilers. I think it was the Bruins being stupid.

I don’t know if they learned their lesson or not. It’s possible they haven’t and will continue to do stupid things. Certainly I was looking at it from the Oilers perspective and not from the Bruins’.

Frustrating that Boston lines up as a trade partner in more than one potential way and it’s their ego that prevents them from making the deal. Of course, maybe that’s why Chiarelli is gone from there to begin with.

wheatnoil

Ryan,

Fair questions. I think, to start, it’s worth looking at the data and G Money has put it together nicely here.

https://oilersnerdalert.wordpress.com/2015/06/20/goalies-are-not-voodoo-if-they-make-it-to-60-or-so-nhl-games/

That’s actually the 3rd in the series and we didn’t vigorously analyze the “dip” we were talking about. That came from G Money’s first post where he saw that there was significant early career volatility in many elite goaltenders.

That post is here… https://oilersnerdalert.wordpress.com/2015/06/07/more-blogs-about-goalies-and-food/

That said, to reiterate, your questions are valid. Neither of us really dug in to exactly how common that dip is, how long it lasts and when we should expect it to rebound. However, there’s the initial work on it and there’s some good stuff in the comments by TheGreatMutato on a few more goalies. Mason, in particular, is an interesting one I think.

Jethro Tull

wheatnoil: True and part of that history came to play in the Hamilton trade. The other piece is that there were rumours that Edmonton was the team that was thinking about putting in an offer sheet to Hamilton, which was what was forcing the hastened trade to begin with. That also might have been a reason why Edmonton couldn’t get a deal at value.

That doesn’t mean that trading one of our goaltenders there is not an option. If they’re not impressed with Gustavson, they’ve got to do something. Calgary has been rumoured to be willing to trade one of their goalies, but after the Hamilton trade was so roundly scoffed at, Sweeney might not be interested in trading with them again.

Either way, I’m more of a fan of burying Scrivens in the minors as a safety-net, but if we’re looking at trades, Boston is a team that is potentially of need for a back-up goalie, which was the point of that post.

Firstly, in no way can the Oilers be blamed for the Bruins not being able to sign their man: That was pure mismanagement of an asset, something we know a little about. If the Bruins were feeling the pinch, then it’s ALL on them.

Secondly, the Hamilton deal was pure cutting off their nose to spite their face. It was personal and I would be astounded more at deal between current Oilers and Bruins management at this time than if Gretz announced a comeback.

While you analysis of the goalie market is correct and in a perfect world we send Gentle Ben to the Bruins (Ha!) for a Care Bears DVD, I feel the Bruins would rather play Subban or deal with anybody else than Chia. That was the point of my post.

Ryan

wheatnoil: That was G Money with some help from myself. Goalies that have have started their careers like Scrivens has (first 1300 even-strength shots, number picked because that’s where Talbot’s at)usually go on to play in the NHL at a reasonable save-percentage. Even using adjusted save percentage to account for better D in LA, Scrivens looked pretty good. What’s more, many goalies with a strong start have a bit of a dip in save percentage before recovering to a reasonable level.

So, based on this, we should expect Scrivens to recover and his dip last year was neither unprecedented nor unexpected. It’s worth noting that Talbot is due for that same dip this year, so we’ll have to watch out for that.

Woodguy also parsed the numbers and was less impressed than us with Scrivens (though equally excited about Talbot). I think the difference is in the way the percentages were divided, with Woodguy ranking Scrivens on a year by year basis.

None-the-less, I stand by our analysis. Based on historical comparables, if Scrivens doesn’t rebound, he is one of the few exceptions that do not. There’s a far better chance that he rebounds.

Rebounds to what… that I don’t know. Also, it’s near impossible to project Nilsson, who has a very small sample size. So I can’t predict who will be better this year.

Right now, I’m in favour of waiving Scrivens (despite him being due to bounce-back) mostly because I think his cap hit makes it more likely he passes through waivers. As such, it’s more likely he’ll remain an option in case Nilsson doesn’t work out.

I will preface my comment by acknowledging that I haven’t looked at your data.

In terms of the whole rebounding concept that we’re talking about, I think there’s a world of difference with a player like Dubnyk rebounding vs Scrivens since Dubnyk’s pre-implosion NHL data set was 120 vs 60 games.

The other anomaly is that I can’t imaging there’s a large body of data for goalies given as many minutes to hang themselves as Scrivens had last year.

Other tanking teams had to trade away goalies to try to get goaltending as bad as Scivens and Fasth.

Who are your best comparables for Scrivens?

How many games did they play in the year they had their dip?

Basically, I find it hard to imagine that there are many goalies in recent years who’ve posted a sub .900 even strength save percentage over 57 NHL games in a single season… Never mind who’ve managed that feat AND gotten a crack at making the team the following season without clawing their way back from the minors.

striker

Tire Fire: Ugh, make whatever points you want. Have you ever actually used a message board at a high level, or are you just a message-board fan turned expert?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSy5mEcmgwU

G Money

ASkoreyko: I’ll say that I have been posting on internet message boards since BBS. So I think I know a little bit about posting on internet message-boards, if there’s ever a concern.

Yes, but how many (token) ring (network)s did you do this over? At least five or six I hope.

Klima's_Bucket

Who would actually pick up Scrivens/Nilsson?

Boston has Jeremy Smith and Malcolm Subban battling Gustavsson for the backup job to Rask
Buffalo has Chad Johnson backing up Lehner
Columbus may want an upgrade over McIlhenney
Montreal may want something better behind Price than Tokarski
Nashville has Hutton behind Rinne
New Jersey has Keith Kinkaid behind Schneider
Pittsburgh has Zatkoff behind Fleury

I doubt either goalie gets claimed unless an injury occurs somewhere.

There are several teams with 3 goalies.
Anaheim – Gibson, Andersen, Khudobin
Calgary – Hiller, Ortio, Ramo
Minnesota – Dubnyk, Kuemper, Backstrom
Tampa (once Vasilevskiy is healthy) – Bishop and Poulin
Washington – Peters, Holtby, Grubbauer

Jethro Tull

Bruce McCurdy: This all day long. While the default assumption is that you should face a blend of NHL & lower-league players in the preseason, the sad fact of the matter is that every road team that has played the Oilers so far (Flames & Jets @Edmonton, Wild @Saskatoon) has been a steaming pile of horse droppings. the league seems to have zero interest in regulating this, instead treating the preseason like a license to steal money.

Let’s leave the stone throwing for now, eh Bruce.

Other teams may put out line-ups that would struggle against my son’s peewee team in the pre-season, but the Oilers are the only team to have done this on purpose during the regular season since 2008.

v4ance

Was anyone tracking who Ference and Gryba were playing with last night?

My recollection, which is as fuzzy as anyone’s, was that I saw Ference-Gryba mainly out with Poo-RNH-Ebs line for the most part. I know Minny’s lineup was weak but that would have meant that F-G saw the Wild’s “shut down” line mostly…. food for thought?

ASkoreyko

Tire Fire: Ugh, make whatever points you want. Have you ever actually used a message board at a high level, or are you just a message-board fan turned expert?

I’ll say that I have been posting on internet message boards since BBS. So I think I know a little bit about posting on internet message-boards, if there’s ever a concern.

Bruce McCurdy

Klima’s_Bucket,

I noticed Hendricks doing this at camp.

Frank the dog

I suspect it may be a freezing day in Dallol before Boston does business with Chia. They’ve demonstrated a willingness to ignore their own best interests in order to stick it to him.
I’m looking forward to a competitive Oilers team sticking it back where it counts – on the scoreboard.
In the meantime, I would suspect that it’s not worth Chia’s time to even give them the time of day.
The divide may be as deep as the Lowe/Burke divide except that Chia is a pro.

wheatnoil

stush18:

Tampa claimed poulin off waivers. Gotta wonder if they would have traded for scrivens

They don’t have the cap room. The Oilers would have to take something pretty significant back.

wheatnoil

oliveoilers: This made me chuckle.

What do you suggest?

How about 2015 16OV pick, 33rdOV pick for Dougie Hamilton.They might want Nurse as well, though.

http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/boston-bruins-felt-that-edmonton-oilers-gm-peter-chiarelli-had-them-under-the-gun-in-dougie-hamilton-negotiations-friedman-says

I’m not sure , but I think Chia has history with the Bruins.

True and part of that history came to play in the Hamilton trade. The other piece is that there were rumours that Edmonton was the team that was thinking about putting in an offer sheet to Hamilton, which was what was forcing the hastened trade to begin with. That also might have been a reason why Edmonton couldn’t get a deal at value.

That doesn’t mean that trading one of our goaltenders there is not an option. If they’re not impressed with Gustavson, they’ve got to do something. Calgary has been rumoured to be willing to trade one of their goalies, but after the Hamilton trade was so roundly scoffed at, Sweeney might not be interested in trading with them again.

Either way, I’m more of a fan of burying Scrivens in the minors as a safety-net, but if we’re looking at trades, Boston is a team that is potentially of need for a back-up goalie, which was the point of that post.

Bruce McCurdy

Clarkenstein:
It is very difficult to project what any player might do at the NHL level when the competition so far has been a blend of AHL/CHL players! I would suggest that in virtually every game so far the Oil have iced a team with more NHL players than the opposition.So while Slepyshev and Nilsson have stood out so far it’s hard to award them a spot on the roster.

This all day long. While the default assumption is that you should face a blend of NHL & lower-league players in the preseason, the sad fact of the matter is that every road team that has played the Oilers so far (Flames & Jets @Edmonton, Wild @Saskatoon) has been a steaming pile of horse droppings. the league seems to have zero interest in regulating this, instead treating the preseason like a license to steal money.

russ99

The only issue I have with the goalie competition is that the loser could end up in Bakersfield and take valuable development time away from Brossoit.

Are we really expecting the NHL backup to play more than 15-20 games tops? I’m not.

If Scrivens is the odd man out, may be worth it to get from under the cap room, especially since we all know that Chiarelli isn’t afraid of making moves during the season.

Jethro Tull

wheatnoil: I wonder if Chia can swing a deal with Boston.

This made me chuckle.

What do you suggest?

How about 2015 16OV pick, 33rdOV pick for Dougie Hamilton. They might want Nurse as well, though.

http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/boston-bruins-felt-that-edmonton-oilers-gm-peter-chiarelli-had-them-under-the-gun-in-dougie-hamilton-negotiations-friedman-says

I’m not sure , but I think Chia has history with the Bruins.