WAIVERS AND WAVERING

by Lowetide

I remember Daniil Zharkov’s draft day, he was funny and engaging and it was a fairly eventful weekend.

  • Zharkov on the draft: “I think it matters when you get drafted but you also have to take into consideration that every team has its needs. It’s a huge business. Players shouldn’t think of this too much. We just have to play. I had a week when I was really focused on it. I checked the rankings, try to find my name in them… And they it dawned on me – what am I? A fool? What’s the use of looking at the screen all the time? Just play! Have fun!” Enjoy!”

Zharkov hasn’t moved the needle much since his draft day but if we go back and look at what was written, it’s interesting to wonder where his game is today.

  • Redline: Excellent natural tools and terrific puck skills with great hands and a wicked shot. He’s kind of a one-trick pony, but it’s the best trick of all: he puts the puck in the net. Has a knack for sliding to open ice just at teh right moment and buries his chances. Has long reach and prtects puck well. Excellent shooter who hides release point well. Has a long, smooth stride and good acceleration, but only skates hard when there’s a scoring opportunity involved. His compete level is poor and completely unacceptable. Resorts to horrific diving and histrionics whenever he gets hit. Some games spends more time on his [backside] than on his skates – a feather could knock him off his feet. Also a perimetre guy with mediocre hockey sense who rarely passes the puck. Still, might be one of the five best pure snipers in a draft starved for offense.
  • Zharkov on Zharkov: “I’m a physical player. I actually call myself not Russian but more of a Canadian player. And I think that I’m really physical in the way that I skate and shoot the puck.”

Zharkov is an invite to Condors TC, the list published today. I’ll be speaking to Scott Zerr tomorrow about the list, and men like Zharkov.

WAIVERS

A few interesting names today, I chose one:

  • Kirk Luedeke on Max Friberg: Friberg is a late ’92 and played for Sweden at the WJC. He doesn’t have high-end offensive skills, but plays a good two-way game and has the intelligence to be a checking presence at the least, with a modicum of potential to develop into more. Source

And there are rumors this gent may be on waivers later in the week:

  • Kirk Luedeke on Jarred Tinordi: Admittedly, he’s a meat-and-potatoes defenseman who has size and toughness, but not much offensive upside. Still, the son is a chip off the old block, playing a similar style to his dad, Mark, who was playing for the Capitals when Jarred was born. The Notre Dame recruit is steady, smart positionally and owns the walls and front of the net. The U.S. Under-18 team captain has all the intangibles you want such as tenacity, leadership and poise under pressure. Think of him as a similar player to Mark Stuart— he’s going to hit, fight, play hard and give you everything he has. Just don’t ask him to go out and score a lot of goals or run your power play. Source

WAVERING

early oilers

I think we’re at a point where Peter Chiarelli is probably calling and answering calls in regard to trades. The Senators grabbed a fringe defenseman today, so they may not be in the market for a blueliner (although they should be), but the LAK could strike and we know Nikita Nikitin has been in the conversation previously. I remain convinced Nikitin is one of the six best defensive options on the team, so that trade may not happen.

Ben Scrivens may also be available but after that we’re probably looking at internal solutions. Darnell Nurse is probably a few days away from being sent down, Brandon Davidson and Anton Slepyshev could be going with him.

The big play? A top four defenseman but Nick Leddy isn’t out there as far as I can see.

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53 comments

AsiaOil September 28, 2015 - 5:05 pm

Proper move this TC is to protect and develop the longterm assets – Nurse, Sleppy, Leleggia – they showed well and stayed with the NHL group to the end – but all get sent down for necessary seasoning

You also want to avoid losing quality cheap waiver-eligible contracts – Davidson and Nilssen – as these guys will be super useful next season. I keep both in EDM as long as they perform well in the last 2 pre-season games.

Try trade Scrivens, Nikitin, Ference, Purcell with salary retained if necessary – and if no takers – put them on waivers (I know Ference has a full NMC). I would have zero issues sending any of these guys to the AHL to protect the cheap waiver-eligible contracts (Davidson/Nilssen) who are part of the longterm plan.

We need to get rid of the Scrivens, Nikitin, Ference and Purcell contracts without sacrificing young guys on low cap number contracts – all exept Ference are gone in the summer – but the faster we can rid ourselves of these contracts – the sooner we can take advantage of the cap space their departure brings.

pocession charge September 28, 2015 - 5:09 pm

The big play is for OEL.

Ahh…nevermind.

spoiler September 28, 2015 - 5:10 pm

LT,

The new colour is incredibly difficult to read, sir. Can we please go back?

RexLibris September 28, 2015 - 5:16 pm

Jarred Tinordi.

I recall watching the draft when Montreal traded up to get him (a 1st, #27, and a 2nd – Mark Visentin and Oscar Lindberg, for Tinordi at #22 and a 4th that became Mark McMillan).

They were “over the moon” reportedly to get him.

Even Montreal can draft Alex Plante’s, it appears.

Here’s hoping the young man can carve out a career somewhere.

RexLibris September 28, 2015 - 5:17 pm

Man that Redline report on Zharkov is brutal.

They are some of the hardest markers in the business, but players would do well to read them and take them to heart.

Lowetide September 28, 2015 - 5:25 pm

Rex: Love Red Line, but I’d hate to read a scouting report from them about me (or my kids).

SpOILer: You bet. Trying stuff and appreciate any input.

RexLibris September 28, 2015 - 5:27 pm

Lowetide:
Rex: Love Red Line, but I’d hate to read a scouting report from them about me (or my kids).

SpOILer: You bet. Trying stuff and appreciate any input.

Yeah, I remember reading their early reports (before paywalls) about some Oilers picks and I was incensed.

Wanted to rebut every word.

Turned out, in a few years’ time, Redline was right.

Agreed. I’d hate to read their report card on me and I get feedback from Flames fans!

RexLibris September 28, 2015 - 5:29 pm

spoiler:
LT,

The new colour is incredibly difficult to read, sir.Can we please go back?

LT’s just entering the “experimental” phase of his life.

Let’s let him try a few things and, so long as it isn’t crystal meth and tribal face tattoos (Oh my god! That would be something to see!) we’ll just leave the porch light on and wait for him to settle down.

Nightman_ September 28, 2015 - 5:33 pm

Lowetide:
Rex: Love Red Line, but I’d hate to read a scouting report from them about me (or my kids).

SpOILer: You bet. Trying stuff and appreciate any input.

Looks fine on my phone.

Sidenote: reinhart looked great in split squad game in yyc

Hall Awaits September 28, 2015 - 5:34 pm

“The big play? A top four defenseman but Nick Leddy isn’t out there as far as I can see.”

There is a Byfuglien though.

Ryan September 28, 2015 - 5:44 pm

RexLibris: LT’s just entering the “experimental” phase of his life.

Let’s let him try a few things and, so long as it isn’t crystal meth and tribal face tattoos (Oh my god! That would be something to see!) we’ll just leave the porch light on and wait for him to settle down.

Ha ha lmao. That’s gold, Jerry! Gold!

I don’t mind the teal color since it has the Sharks vibe to it. It feels sort of like a subliminal message telling us that we’re going to make the playoffs…

cadooo September 28, 2015 - 5:58 pm

Nightman_: Looks fine on my phone.

Sidenote: reinhart looked great in split squad game in yyc

Yeah but how much paint did you huff first?

RexLibris September 28, 2015 - 6:08 pm

Ryan: Ha ha lmao.That’s gold, Jerry! Gold!

I don’t mind the teal color since it has the Sharks vibe to it.It feels sort of like a subliminal message telling us that we’re going to make the playoffs…

And what? Choke in the first round for the next five years? 😉

Soup Fascist September 28, 2015 - 6:19 pm

RexLibris: And what? Choke in the first round for the next five years?

Hmmm. Nine years of NO playoffs (and the very REAL possibilityof a 10th) vs guaranteed five years of at least TWO playoff home games ……

Can you guarantee none of the losses will be at the hands of the Godless, dirty rotten, clutching and grabbing Flames????

Throw in a Stanley in the 6th year and you have a DEAL!

RexLibris September 28, 2015 - 6:22 pm

Soup Fascist,

You forgot the winky-smiley face.

Winky-smiley face is KEY!

AsiaOil September 28, 2015 - 6:36 pm

LT – so you want a top 4 dman? So who gets shuffled out of the existing top 4 – Fayne? That is one hell of a cap number for a 3rd pair dman. Shultz? Then who runs the offense unless the guy they acquire brings more – and again – Shultz is one hell of an expensive 3rd pair dman. Klef/Sekera? Of course not.

So it’s pretty easy to say we want another top 4 dman right now – but the capology of that move is almost impossible without moving one of the existing top 4. Is that possible? Not likely. It also doesn’t address the issue of Nikitin and Ference (and their bloated cap numbers) who are already in your bottom pair and press box. MacT left one hell of a mess to clean up on defense.

There is nobody else coming in this year until the deadweight is cleared out – best deal with that. But Chia has shown that he can bring in real solutions unlike the previous regime’s efforts in Ference and Nikitin – so the wait will be worth it. But even with Nikitin, Ference and Gryba all gone – any addition to the top 4 will require one of the existing top 4 moved in return or elsewhere – otherwise you are back with an overpaid 3rd pair guy in your lineup again. This is why I’m so adamant that we do not lose Davidson. His contract (and a couple more just like it) is really necessary going forward to build the defense properly from a cap perspective.

Once the deadweight is gone – trading Yak and Shultz for a top 4 dman who brings some offense and who is under control for a while (one of the Nashville dmen?) is a very sensible move at some point this season – especially with the emergence of Slepy.

Lowetide September 28, 2015 - 6:39 pm

AsiaOil:
LT – so you want a top 4 dman? So who gets shuffled out of the existing top 4 – Fayne? That is one hell of a cap number for a 3rd pair dman. Shultz? Then who runs the offense unless the guy they acquire brings more – and again – Shultz is one hell of an expensive 3rd pair dman. Klef/Sekera? Of course not.

So it’s pretty easy to say we want another top 4 dman right now – but the capology of that move is almost impossible without moving one of the existing top 4. Is that possible? Not likely. It also doesn’t address the issue of Nikitin and Ference (and their bloated cap numbers) in your bottom pair and press box. MacT left one hell of a mess to clean up on defense.

There is nobody else coming in this year until the deadweight is cleared out – best deal with that. But Chia has shown that he can bring in real solutions unlike the previous regime’s efforts in Ference and Nikitin – so the wait will be worth it. But even with Nikitin, Ference and Gryba all gone – any addition to the top 4 will require one of the existing top 4 moved in return or elsewhere – otherwise you are back with an overpaid 3rd pair guy in your lineup again. This is why I’m so adamant that we do not lose Davidson. His contract (and a couple more just like it) is really necessary going forward to build the defense properly from a cap perspective.

Once the deadweight is gone – trading Yak and Shultz for a top 4 dman who brings some offense and who is under control for a while (one of the Nashville dmen?) is a very sensible move at some point this season – especially with the emergence of Slepy.

I have zero problem moving Justin Schultz to the third pairing. In fact, it would be my pleasure.

RexLibris September 28, 2015 - 6:43 pm

Lowetide: I have zero problem moving Justin Schultz to the third pairing. In fact, it would be my pleasure.

LT, why do you hate Ladislav Schultz?

AsiaOil September 28, 2015 - 6:44 pm

Lowetide: I have zero problem moving Justin Schultz to the third pairing. In fact, it would be my pleasure.

Sure in theory that’s great – but the $3.9 million cap number means it’s not happening – that would be almost $12 million of cap for your 3rd pair and PB along with Nikitin and Ference. Shultz is on the 2nd pair until BOTH of the following things happen:

– his contract is removed through trade or by simply walking away; and
– his offense is replaced.

Unless you see Nikitin as his replacement on the 2nd pair which is unlikely.

Lowetide September 28, 2015 - 6:54 pm

AsiaOil: Sure in theory that’s great – but the $3.9 million cap number means it’s not happening – that would be almost $12 million of cap for your 3rd pair and PB along with Nikitin and Ference. Shultz is on the 2nd pair until BOTH of the following things happen:

– his contract is removed through trade or by simply walking away; and
– his offense is replaced.

Unless you see Nikitin as his replacement on the 2nd pair which is unlikely.

If a Nick Leddy comes available and the Oilers can trade for him, they should do it. I imagine a top 4D (Fayne?) might be heading out, but even if he isn’t I’m fine playing Schultz third pair for this year and then deciding on things next summer.

Mr DeBakey September 28, 2015 - 7:03 pm

Lowetide: If a Nick Leddy comes available and the Oilers can trade for him, they should do it. I imagine a top 4D (Fayne?) might be heading out

That’s a stunningly marginal improvement.
Which, I suppose, is the crux of the problem.
How to swap swine for pearls, multiple times, in one summer

AsiaOil September 28, 2015 - 7:07 pm

Sure that could work if you added Yak to Fayne – but I doubt NYI wants to deal a good young dman like Leddy after they just let GR go. But my point remains – subtraction has to occur before any more additions take place on the defense.

With no movement if you move Shultz to the 3rd pair – then the only option to replace him on the 2nd pair with Klef is Nikitin. Nice if it works but I have my doubts……

Doug McLachlan September 28, 2015 - 7:13 pm

Lowetide: If a Nick Leddy comes available and the Oilers can trade for him, they should do it. I imagine a top 4D (Fayne?) might be heading out, but even if he isn’t I’m fine playing Schultz third pair for this year and then deciding on things next summer.

Ok, for the sake of argument lets put some actual “Leddy’s” on the table. Who are the names you think we might legitimately be able to get?

Lowetide September 28, 2015 - 7:16 pm

Doug McLachlan: Ok, for the sake of argument lets put some actual “Leddy’s” on the table. Who are the names you think we might legitimately be able to get?

That’s my point. They aren’t available. I said it at the top.

Mr. D: If you can trade Fayne for a RH top 4D who is a better puck handler? That’s an upgrade.

spoiler September 28, 2015 - 8:00 pm

Is By-fusion a Leddy? Might be available but the cost for one year is probably ridiculous.

Lowetide September 28, 2015 - 8:05 pm

spoiler:
Is By-fusion a Leddy?Might be available but the cost for one year is probably ridiculous.

Yes, plus the Oilers would have to give up a ton with no cover. I’ve always liked him as a player.

Gerta Rauss September 28, 2015 - 8:24 pm

I think Tom Gilbert could help this club right now

RexLibris September 28, 2015 - 8:34 pm

For GMoney, and any other nerds, geeks, dorks or combination thereof, who frequent these hallowed halls: http://imgur.com/gallery/mvIkF

RexLibris September 28, 2015 - 8:35 pm

And this is relationship survival advice for everyone around here: http://imgur.com/gallery/5HwhHeH

Cahoon September 28, 2015 - 8:48 pm

I would love to get Buff, but the best time to get him is the summer when all he costs is a contract and money.

RexLibris September 28, 2015 - 9:20 pm

I’d be very surprised if Byfuglien gets to FA.

Jets may well trade him, but the acquiring team will likely begin negotiations on an overpay contract almost immediately in order to preserve the asset.

This depends on Byfuglien’s camp, of course, and the timing of the presumed trade.

dustrock September 28, 2015 - 9:32 pm

LT I like the teal fine. It’s nice to highlight and break up the black and orange.

Centre of attention September 28, 2015 - 9:32 pm

What happened to the “trade for Shattenkirk” bandwagon? Would he be a Leddy?

RexLibris September 28, 2015 - 9:38 pm

Friend sent me this: http://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/spider-mable-gets-her-wish#.jd1WgePeK

SpiderMable made a big splash today!

JD¡™ September 28, 2015 - 9:39 pm

Centre of attention:
What happened to the “trade for Shattenkirk” bandwagon? Would he be a Leddy?

Maybe if you used his initials, KMS, we could all get behind it a little more?

HALL FOR KMS!

You’ll get a lot of mileage out of that.

Lowetide September 28, 2015 - 9:42 pm

RexLibris:
Friend sent me this: http://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/spider-mable-gets-her-wish#.jd1WgePeK

SpiderMable made a big splash today!

Saints in our city made this happen especially Mable.

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAint'sSo! September 28, 2015 - 9:46 pm

Just picked up Hall and Jultz in my hockey pool. This power play better be everything that we’ve built it up in our minds to be…

wheatnoil September 28, 2015 - 9:50 pm

Count me in the pro teal camp. Though, it is slightly San Jose Sharks.

Normally I’d say that there’s little chance Davidson gets claimed off waivers. Waivers seem utterly random with reasonable players not getting claimed and below-replacement guys getting picked up. I’ve seen a lot of serviceable depth D pass through over the years.

That said, with the cap crunch on this year, I’d be surprised if Davidson gets past San Jose and Boston on the waiver wire.

RexLibris September 28, 2015 - 9:52 pm

Lowetide: Saints in our city made this happen especially Mable.

Yep. I was getting caught up with it this evening after missing all the excitement and I can honestly say I was blown away with the involvement of so many people.

RexLibris September 28, 2015 - 9:53 pm

wheatnoil:
Count me in the pro teal camp. Though, it is slightly San Jose Sharks.

Normally I’d say that there’s little chance Davidson gets claimed off waivers. Waivers seem utterly random with reasonable players not getting claimed and below-replacement guys getting picked up. I’ve seen a lot of serviceable depth D pass through over the years.

That said, with the cap crunch on this year, I’d be surprised if Davidson gets past San Jose and Boston on the waiver wire.

Boston, definitely.

They’d probably take him just to spite Chiarelli.

LoDog September 28, 2015 - 9:55 pm

RexLibris:
Friend sent me this: http://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/spider-mable-gets-her-wish#.jd1WgePeK

SpiderMable made a big splash today!

Dont have kids but SpiderMable is an awesome thing and hope for the best for her and her fsmily. All families in distressing times.

Hockey and all else means nothing today.

AsiaOil September 28, 2015 - 9:56 pm

Totally agree with you W&O – that contract he signed is incredibly cap friendly – and he looks the part of an NHL defenseman now. I think we lose him if we try sneak him through. If he continue to develop this year as expected – then we might be able to sign him to a very cap friendly multi-year one way contract in the new year. We really need value contracts in the bottom pair to allow us to pay the core going forward.

wheatnoil:
Count me in the pro teal camp. Though, it is slightly San Jose Sharks.

Normally I’d say that there’s little chance Davidson gets claimed off waivers. Waivers seem utterly random with reasonable players not getting claimed and below-replacement guys getting picked up. I’ve seen a lot of serviceable depth D pass through over the years.

That said, with the cap crunch on this year, I’d be surprised if Davidson gets past San Jose and Boston on the waiver wire.

slopitch September 28, 2015 - 10:26 pm

What are the odds NN goes on waivers?

It’s not horrible to lose him on re-entry and eat 2.25. Can they get a late pick or swap bad contracts?

Problem is, oilers don’t really need the cap space this year. They made the right call hanging onto him.

jp September 28, 2015 - 10:59 pm

So no one’s excited about the PTO for Zharkov? Huh.

This is the guy who claimed he’d be better than Yakupov, right?

"Steve Smith" September 28, 2015 - 11:01 pm

slopitch:
What are the odds NN goes on waivers?

It’s not horrible to lose him on re-entry and eat 2.25.

I’d say there’s an 95% chance that he clears waivers going down. There’s a 0% chance that he clears re-entry waivers, though, if only because they no longer exist.

book¡je September 28, 2015 - 11:22 pm

“Steve Smith”: I’d say there’s an 95% chance that he clears waivers going down.There’s a 0% chance that he clears re-entry waivers, though, if only because they no longer exist.

or would that be 100% chance…

book¡je September 28, 2015 - 11:24 pm

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It discusses a few cases where schools have chosen to disband their football teams because of concerns over industry.

"Steve Smith" September 28, 2015 - 11:26 pm

book¡je: or would that be 100% chance…

You can’t clear what you can’t see. Assuming that the reason you can’t see it is that it doesn’t exist.

book¡je September 29, 2015 - 12:20 am

“Steve Smith”: You can’t clear what you can’t see.Assuming that the reason you can’t see it is that it doesn’t exist.

Well Steve, that depends on definitions. Can we at least agree that he is 100% clear of re-entry waivers at this point?

"Steve Smith" September 29, 2015 - 12:53 am

book¡je: Well Steve, that depends on definitions.Can we at least agree that he is 100% clear of re-entry waivers at this point?

Sure – though there’s only a 10% chance of that.

Магия 10 September 29, 2015 - 2:46 am

“Steve Smith”: Sure – though there’s only a 10% chance of that.

So you’re saying there’s a chance!

And speaking of Chance. Any chance he can get bail on those kidnapping charges?

Walter Gretzkys Neighbour September 29, 2015 - 7:09 am

Davidson is a serviceable D. He’s young, on a friendly contract, works hard and is the sort of player you could see flourishing under someone like McClellan. He’s not flashy but in his audition last year he sure didn’t look out of place. He’s better than Ference, probably better than Nikitin and would I feel (based on little admittedly) be a loss if they attempt to run him through waivers.

Can they not just bite the (thanks McTavish) bullet and waive Nikitin? Damn the cap cost for this, isn’t it just one year? The more problematic issue is Ference. He needs to realize he’s done and retire. He is a helluva character guy, bucked the odds, made a great career for himself but he can’t cut it anymore.

I agree with all those who have said McTavish left this defense in a huge mess. Losing Davidson would be another mistake. I think he is attractive enough that someone will take him. I mean Mark Fraser just got signed and there are injuries already…

Just my thoughts on this. Davidson just has that look of someone who will come into his own. I’d like to see that happen with Edmonton.

Pouzar September 29, 2015 - 7:34 am

I liked Davidson but not having seen him live I couldn’t really be 100% sure. The guy I saw live in Winnipeg looked real real good. If there was a SJ/BOS scout in the building I think he gets claimed.

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