G3 2015-16: OILERS AT STARS

In these days where the chem lab works 24-7, it’s interesting to see who gets the McDavid push and how well each player has performed so far this year.

MCDAVID’S WINGERS GAME ONE

  • Anton Slepyshev 7-4 .636 Corsi events (9:20 EV TOI)
  • Taylor Hall 6-10 .375 Corsi events (11:44 EV TOI)

MCDAVID’S WINGERS GAME TWO

  • Nail Yakupov 8-4 .667 Corsi events (6:23 EV TOI)
  • Benoit Pouliot 8-6 .571 Corsi events (8:38 EV TOI)
  • Lauri Korpikoski 5-5 .500 Corsi events (4:42 EV TOI)

It looks like Todd McLellan saw what the numbers indicate, as the practice lines yesterday reflected the chemistry between McDavid and Yakupov and we may see them run with Pouliot tonight in Dallas.

  • Todd McLellan: “We’re trying to be perfect right now and when we look at the goals that were scored five-on-five there were very few perfect ones around the league; a lot of them were on secondary opportunities, basically garbage-type goals. Our guys have to understand that’s usually the way it’s going to happen, so we’ll get better in that area.” Source

The idea of being too fine offensively isn’t a new one, and McLellan’s San Jose teams (and Craig MacTavish’s Oilers teams) are good examples of teams who could score with finesse and under duress. The brilliant blog Oilers Nerd Alert wrote something that dovetails nicely on today’s subject:

  • GMoney: “The Oilers cannot and should not pattern their game after those big heavy teams.  It’s the CHI and DET teams, speed, skill, and tenacity, that are the archetypes for the Oilers. But go look at those guys.  Even they scored 3X to 4X as many goals (on a relative and absolute basis) from the tough areas as the Oilers did.”

The Oilers forwards have to do more of the dirty work and both Pouliot and Yakupov—McDavid’s new linemates—have a bit more edge than some of the other young wingers. Pouliot is an agitator, and Yakupov, aside from being a fire hydrant on skates, has a little of the disturber in him, too. I look forward to seeing how they shine.

  • Todd McLellan“When the team isn’t scoring, we have to make a change. It’s Yak’s chance to play with Connor and Benny Pouliot. I thought when we made that change in Nashville, there was a little skip in their stride, they were maybe a little quicker, a little more o-zone time, not many more chances but a little more o-zone time.” Source

Hell, someone is going to be Jari Kurri and someone is going to be Raimo Summanen. This is ground zero. We wait, wonder and prepare to be amazed.

The Oilers get together with the Blue Jays, Toronto’s season turned on the Oilers attendance in G3, maybe there’s some good vibrations coming the Oilers way.

BRANDON DAVIDSON

  • Todd McLellan: “Davy is here and we’ve talked about wanting to use him and see what he can do, give him a chance to perform and he’ll likely get that opportunity.” Source

The 2010 draft isn’t over yet. Taylor Hall continues to ramble on in Edmonton, Martin Marincin is top 6D in Toronto and Brandon Davidson plays his baker’s dozenth game tonight in the shadow of the Modano.

ANDERS NILSSON

  • Todd McLellan“Anders will have a real good chance at playing tomorrow. He hasn’t played since the Arizona game in exhibition. It’s time for him to get in and perform.” Source

Someday he’ll be known as the man who was traded for Liam Coughlin, but for now we’re wondering if he can play as well in the regular season as he did in exhibition action. A fun goalie to cheer for, hopefully he ruins Tuesday for Texas.

Lots of crazy tweets and thoughts on the Al Gore about McDavid (and Jack Eichel) these days, I encourage you to remember the people who attempt to cast doubt about the future of any 18-year-old. I assume there’s a special place in hell for these people.

Connor McDavid is fine. He’s actually doing damned well, and the team is performing at a solid level considering their opponents (and they’re on the road):

I don’t agree with David’s errors counts (nothing personal, just don’t believe anyone can take out the bias completely), but he’s extremely accurate (I have found) on the scoring chance count. The Preds story as described here matches the eye test, as two errors (Sekera and Zamboni Door) sunk the effort.

Which is not to say the Oilers are free of the bad times, there was in fact significant running around—especially later in the first period of the NAS game. As McLellan said early in training camp, every team has low points and chaos moments, the trick is to cut down on those moments.

By eye and by Corgi howl (hockeystats.ca says 5×5 Corsi for % was 47.67% against St. Louis, 51.9% against Nashville) this team does appear to be in more of the game than in the past. Iron out the wobbly bits, the running around in their own end like a chicken recently removed from its head, and things will eventually start going in a good direction consistently.

The Oilers overall 5×5 Corsi for % this season? 82-83, 49.6%. That’s on the road against two quality NHL teams. If the power play had been any damn good, maybe Edmonton has a point or two this morning. It’s a marathon, not a sprint.

  • Ryan Rishaug: An early season observation on McDavid through two games is he isn’t spending much time with the puck on his stick leading the rush out of his own end. McDavid swings down low on controlled breakouts, but doesn’t call for the puck, or have his stick on the ice to indicate he wants it. He seems to wait until he gets to the neutral zone to make himself available for the pass. He also has a tendency to curl away from the puck carrier while breaking out instead of towards him. McDavid has incredible speed, and can back off opponents with it. My guess is the coaching staff would love to see him carry it more. Source

I think that will come with chemistry and experience. McDavid doesn’t have a feel yet for who can get it to him in the right spots and frankly Edmonton has one guy (Sekera) who has proven NHL ability in that area. If Justin Schultz can make that tape-to-tape pass to Connor McDavid with 97 not breaking stride? Schultz could get 40 assists in a season.

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LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A very busy morning, as we try to stuff two days worth of great guests into one morning. Scheduled to appear, starting at 10, on TSN 1260:

  • Scott Burnside, ESPN. Slow starts in Boston and Los Angeles, fast starts in Tampa Bay and Manhattan.
  • Mitch Williams, former MLB closer. The man who gave up the Joe Carter homer talks about that moment, and this year’s playoffs.
  • Jonathan Willis, Cult of Hockey. Oilers start—good and bad—and where do we see progress from this Oilers club.
  • Jeff Krushell, Krush Sports. Jeff spent years with the Blue Jays and has great insight into the team and MLB in general. We’ll go around the horn and discuss all four series.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide twitter. It’s going to be a great day.

 

 

 

 

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  1. spoiler says:

    Could everyone posting about turnovers please go back to 2006 and read every article and comment thread on this blog written since then before posting another ill-informed comment?

    Please? Thanks.

  2. JOFA says:

    Lucinius,

    Exactly my friend. Didn’t read your post before mine. We’re on the same page.

  3. Ice Sage says:

    G Money:
    Button tweeted this:

    Craig Button @CraigJButton 23m
    A ‘Problem’ with top notch coaching is it exposes flaws in weaker players to a greater extent. @EdmontonOilers Todd McLellan showing that.

    but I don’t buy that for one second.

    That’s a weird spin (but then again it is Button)… so TMac’s system and teachings are beyond the grasp and abilities of many Oilers? Doubt that. The transition is painful and there are bad habits to break but he’s an excellent and motivated coach who’s just now learning what he’s got.

  4. RPG says:

    RMGS:
    So, Hall was probably shitting liquid before the game, sucks it up to play, and some folks are trading him. Wow.

    Completely agree. Yet there are these idiots that I wish would just simply go away, or cheer for the Flames.

    “@ludelife22: Hall is awful. He was scheduled to miss the game because of hangover. Nursed back to health. And played bad anyways lmao.”

  5. godot10 says:

    SK Oiler Fan:
    What a dumb dump in by Hall. That’s pee wee hockey right there.

    They are being coached to dump the puck in. Dumping the puck in is “new” to Hall. He’s not good at it. He normally carries it in, which leads to a lot of the other kind of turnover.

    At a critical point of the game, should Hall be playing to his strength, carrying it in, or doing what the coach wants, doing something he is inexperienced at, dumping the puck in.

  6. Ice Sage says:

    Well, there hasn’t yet been a game where every department has sucked.
    Thursday should be illustrative with last change, home crowd buzz and a recently-experienced opponent. I’m thinking they get their first point or 2.

  7. geowal says:

    Ice Sage: That’s a weird spin (but then again it is Button)… so TMac’s system and teachings are beyond the grasp and abilities of many Oilers?Doubt that.The transition is painful and there are bad habits to break but he’s an excellent and motivated coach who’s just now learning what he’s got.

    I would think the logic is he excels at bringing out the best in good players, to the point they ishow improvement far beyond that of the weaker players.

    Dunno, maybe

  8. russ99 says:

    Woodguy: Jultz was very Jultzy tonight.

    Yak bailed him out three times when he wasn’t back fast enough and the one time Yak doesn’t take him man its in the net.

    Thought Yak had a whale of a game.

    Only Oiler who actually gets the puck and/or disrupts the D on the fore check.

    Why was Schultz up so high? He wasn’t the first two games. Seems they brought hm up sooner on o-some entry and tried to keep him up too long when the opponent inevitably got possession due to out crappy desperate wall battles and no real passing game.

    Methinks all this offensive practice did more harm than good. Also I doubt we’ll all go to a ballgame on an off day before a game anytime soon.

  9. jimmers2 says:

    JOFA:
    Hall traded is the play gentlemen. Build the Team around McDavid,Nuge, Draisaitl, Klefbom, Nurse, and the top pairing D we pick up for Hall+. I have never understood the Hall hype. I have never thought he was a great skater (fast yes…in short bursts) if he isn’t being knocked on his ass. When you watch him you have to admit he does not fit the prototypical mold of a super skilled forward.Does he put up points? Yes. Does he drive possession? Yes. He is a super awkward semi skilled player that makes bad decisions. A trade is the way to go. Nashville do you hear me?

    So, Hall is a fast winger who scores points and drives possession. Sounds like someone the Oilers could use…

  10. godot10 says:

    Dicky94:
    Time to call up Nurse and Drai.

    No. It is not. You develop them until they are ready. Probably about 40 games.

  11. Nostradumbass says:

    Ice Sage: That’s a weird spin (but then again it is Button)… so TMac’s system and teachings are beyond the grasp and abilities of many Oilers?Doubt that.The transition is painful and there are bad habits to break but he’s an excellent and motivated coach who’s just now learning what he’s got.

    Or..coaching just doesn’t move the dial when you don’t have the horses

    One good thing that will come from TMac’s failure is that it will finally dispel the notion that coaching was ever the significant factor holding the team back

  12. Centre of attention says:

    The Stars had 52 shots, their most since Feb. 3, 1990.

    Let that sink in.

  13. Nostradumbass says:

    godot10: No.It is not.You develop them until they are ready.Probably about 40 games.

    Correct

    The scary thing with the Oilers right now i that we are already contemplating injecting another two rookies (basically) into the lineup to save us

    rinse, repeat

  14. godot10 says:

    dustrock:
    Leon Draisaitl must be thinking “are you fucking kidding me I don’t make this team?” soon

    He has zero pointa in the AHL. When he is at a point per game, then he is ready to help.

  15. Bootstrap Effexor says:

    JOFA: Hall traded is the play gentlemen.

    If your username were JAFA (just another …) I would have assumed your post was a troll, but let’s not jump to conclusions—let’s try treason instead.

    Trades improve your team for one of two reasons.

    Other GMs value your assets more than they should (and their own assets less than they should) so they give up more than they get (in practice, teams with recent winning records generally come out on top of the who-overvalues-whom calculus).

    Or, you trade your broken wunderkind for a different broken wunderkind, who fits your present need better.

    Third (out of two), you can rob the present to pay for the future. I didn’t count it originally, because it doesn’t make your team better exactly, it just kicks the sad sack a bit further down the road (been there, done that).

    Fourth (out of two) the GM makes a big trade because he’s plain run out of ideas and he needs to appear to be doing something.

    You seem to subscribe to (1), (3), and (4) (out of two) where dunce partners for (1) are in mighty short supply.

    Interesting play book you have there.

  16. TeeVee says:

    I disagree with the Gryba hate. He’s not the fastest fellow and took a couple penalties because of it but he is not the problem back there. He seems calm and makes a good short pass to exit the zone.

    This was the show me game for the 5/6 D I believe and Reinhart should hold down 1 of the 2 spots from here on out based on these last 3 games by eye.

    Schultz fell right back into the jultz that we all have cautiously known was still there. I hope it’s just a blip but I’m sceptical.

    Not sure what to make of Sekera. At times seems competent and others seems like he can’t make a play to save his life.

    We’re probably still 2-3 top 4D away from solving this problem. Or 1 #1D (Hall, Matthews, and 2017 1st for Hedman ?)

  17. Younger Oil says:

    Centre of attention:
    The Stars had 52 shots, their most since Feb. 3, 1990.

    Let that sink in.

    In Oil Country, we call that occurrence a Tuesday.

  18. Woodguy says:

    Corgis

    Connor McDavid 48.78
    Taylor Hall 48.48
    Benoit Pouliot 46.34
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 42.11
    Nail Yakupov 40
    Matt Hendricks 38.46
    Teddy Purcell 38.24
    Anton Slepyshev 31.25
    Lauri Korpikoski 22.58
    Anton Lander 22.22
    Mark Letestu 13.64
    Luke Gazdic 8.33

    Brandon Davidson 45.45
    Justin Schultz 45.45
    Oscar Klefbom 40
    Eric Gryba 35.9
    Andrej Sekera 25.64
    Mark Fayne 24.24

  19. godot10 says:

    Nostradumbass: Or..coaching just doesn’t move the dial when you don’t have the horses

    One good thing that will come from TMac’s failure is that it will finally dispel the notion that coaching was ever the significant factor holding the team back

    Both Krueger and Nelson, with much worse rosters, had the team on a 77-point pace, and Krueger had an all Western Conference scheduled. And both Krueger and Nelson had a power play that didn’t suck.

  20. Nostradumbass says:

    Centre of attention:
    The Stars had 52 shots, their most since Feb. 3, 1990.

    Let that sink in.

    40+ shots against is now basically known as “twice a month” in Oiler land

    Has been regardless of coach or D corp since essentially 2008-2009

  21. JOFA says:

    Bootstrap Effexor,

    Hahaha “JAFA” you had me laughing. I respect your points and I don’t think it would be an easy thing to do, but IMO it’s the right thing to do, if you can acquire the right player.

  22. godot10 says:

    TeeVee:
    I

    Not sure what to make of Sekera. At times seems competent and others seems like he can’t make a play to save his life.

    I think the problem with Sekera is Fayne. Petry could carry mediocre and bad D. Sekera can’t.

    Petry >> Sekera >> Franson

    Eff you, MacT.

  23. Woodguy says:

    Everyone who played 3min + vs Benn

    Sorted by TOI vs Benn.

    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 37.5
    Justin Schultz 38.46
    Taylor Hall 50
    Oscar Klefbom 39.13
    Matt Hendricks 40
    Andrej Sekera 20
    Nail Yakupov 40
    Teddy Purcell 27.27
    Benoit Pouliot 44.44
    Eric Gryba 37.5
    Mark Fayne 12.5
    Connor McDavid 66.67
    Brandon Davidson 27.27

    Hall breaks even (9 for, 9 against)

    McDavid’s pretty good for his 3rd NHL game. (4 for, 2 against)

    Fayne and Sekera can’t be the hard minute pair.

    Man.

  24. spoiler says:

    Woodguy:
    Corgis

    Connor McDavid48.78
    Taylor Hall48.48
    Benoit Pouliot46.34
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins42.11
    Nail Yakupov40
    Matt Hendricks38.46
    Teddy Purcell38.24
    Anton Slepyshev31.25
    Lauri Korpikoski22.58
    Anton Lander22.22
    Mark Letestu13.64
    Luke Gazdic8.33

    Brandon Davidson45.45
    Justin Schultz45.45
    Oscar Klefbom40
    Eric Gryba35.9
    Andrej Sekera25.64
    Mark Fayne24.24

    Sorry to interrupt the kneejerk drama and over-the-top insults being flung about by others, but could you advise who Lander was facing most of the night? Was it the Eakin line?

  25. Woodguy says:

    Dave Lozo ‏@davelozo 6m6 minutes ago
    In case you’re thinking about judging NHL teams after a week, remember that last season the Leafs were nine games over .500 in December.

  26. Woodguy says:

    spoiler,

    TOI vs Lander

    Alex Goligoski 3:30
    John Klingberg 3:13
    Ales Hemsky 3:00
    Jason Spezza 2:59
    Jyrki Jokipakka 2:59
    Jordie Benn 2:36
    Tyler Seguin 2:26
    Antoine Roussel 2:15
    Cody Eakin 2:13
    Patrick Sharp 2:07
    Mattias Janmark 2:06
    Jamie Benn 1:37
    Colton Sceviour 1:27
    Jason Demers 0:51
    Johnny Oduya 0:43
    Patrick Eaves 0:19
    Travis Moen 0:08

    http://naturalstattrick.com/game.php?season=20152016&game=20043

  27. spoiler says:

    Woodguy,

    Hemsky and Spezza, then. I would call that an overmatch. And both were flying tonight.

    And then the Benn line in second for TOIA.

    Dallas knew where their Stars could make hay.

  28. Woodguy says:

    Rich Hammond ‏@Rich_Hammond 7m7 minutes ago
    Kings have been outscored 11-1 in last 158 minutes, 11 seconds. Down 2-0 to Van after 2.

    Maybe everyone can comment on how Sutter doesn’t know how to coach and that Doughty and Kopitar are awful and should be traded.

  29. G Money says:

    What was Sekera’s injury back in April? Was it an MCL?

    How long does that normally take to recover?

    How much training would he have been able to do in summer?

    Just wondering if some of the weird on-again off-again we see from Sekera is “knee injury wariness and rust”.

    I’ve been cautious of how long it takes for hockey players to recover from knee injuries ever since watching Smytty and Weight both take almost a year to return to normal.

  30. Woodguy says:

    spoiler:
    Woodguy,

    Hemsky and Spezza, then. I would call that an overmatch.And both were flying tonight.

    And then the Benn line in second for TOIA.

    Dallas knew where their Stars could make hay.

    When McLellan said “some players weren’t engaged and some were overwhelmed” I think its easy to see that Lander/Slappy were in the overwhelmed camp via their TOI.

    Playing on the road too much can beat you down.

  31. spoiler says:

    Woodguy:
    Everyone who played 3min + vs Benn

    Sorted by TOI vs Benn.

    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins37.5
    Justin Schultz38.46
    Taylor Hall50
    Oscar Klefbom39.13
    Matt Hendricks40
    Andrej Sekera20
    Nail Yakupov40
    Teddy Purcell27.27
    Benoit Pouliot44.44
    Eric Gryba37.5
    Mark Fayne12.5
    Connor McDavid66.67
    Brandon Davidson27.27

    Hall breaks even (9 for, 9 against)

    McDavid’s pretty good for his 3rd NHL game. (4 for, 2 against)

    Fayne and Sekera can’t be the hard minute pair.

    Man.

    Well clearly Hall is the weakest link. Thank gord confirmation bias is saving us from another awful player.

  32. G Money says:

    Woodguy,

    The Pens are also 0-3 and Crosby is being outscored by a factor of infinity by Connor McDavid!

  33. TeeVee says:

    godot10: I think the problem with Sekera is Fayne.Petry could carry mediocre and bad D.Sekera can’t.

    Fayne’s passing is a freakin black hole. Could be we have two guys zoomed by other guys. Maybe we need Greene and Faulk?

  34. Caramel Obvious says:

    What a shitshow.

    Are we panicking yet?

    /goes to read thread.

  35. Lowetide says:

    I mentioned this during the summer, but for me Klefbom—Sekera is a worthwhile pairing on nights like this one. Schultz can’t handle the truth, as presented tonight.

  36. Caramel Obvious says:

    A prediction, Hall is being blamed while actually terrible players are not.

  37. spoiler says:

    G Money:
    What was Sekera’s injury back in April?Was it an MCL?

    How long does that normally take to recover?

    How much training would he have been able to do in summer?

    Just wondering if some of the weird on-again off-again we see from Sekera is “knee injury wariness and rust”.

    I’ve been cautious of how long it takes for hockey players to recover from knee injuries ever since watching Smytty and Weight both take almost a year to return to normal.

    I am pretty sure the Old Boys Club is forcing him to play with Lee Fogolin’s stick.

    Seriously, I don’t see any problems with his skating and sure he has the odd brain fart like every defenseman, but every single attempt to play the puck north seems to be blocked, intercepted, deflected from its intended target, etc. he can’t get a single thing through, and I have no idea why. Except for my Fogie Theory.

  38. G Money says:

    Woodguy,

    It was the effort I was disappointed with.

    After the first game, and even some of the second, I could squint and see that Wings/Hawks puck pressure style that a team like the Oilers needs to play.

    I saw nothing of that tonight. Its like the Oilers were skating in mud. Stomach turning.

    In fact, that may have to be the working theory until proven otherwise – hangover city. Fits as well as any other.

  39. spoiler says:

    Post game comments finally up on Oilers website.

  40. G Money says:

    spoiler,

    Maybe he’s accidentally swapped his sticks with Draisaitl’s canoes. Explains both players struggles!

  41. spoiler says:

    G Money: It was the effort I was disappointed with.

    As was TMac, and rightly so.

    IMO… It’s very difficult to evaluate ability when effort and will fail to make an appearance.

  42. Derek says:

    Lowetide:
    I mentioned this during the summer, but for me Klefbom—Sekera is a worthwhile pairing on nights like this one. Schultz can’t handle the truth, as presented tonight.

    This pairing also prevents Dreamy from getting horribly concussed while fishing one of Jultz hand grenade passes out of his skates. Man that kid is awful for throwing the puck away.

    Nilsson looked good, Yakupov looked good until the third GA, and McDavid looked okay. Hall and Nuge seem to have sawed off against the tough competition while not really accomplishing much in the way of dangerous chances.

    I saw the Gryba-Davidson pairing real bad tonight and was surprised by their possession numbers.

    Gazdic was useless.

    I’m amazed at the talk of trading away the teams best player because of an 0-3 start on the road. Its not surprising it would happen, just that it would happen here.

    Lordy I really hope half the team is sick or hungover or whatever because that was a really ugly game against a team that wasn’t near as good as Nashville or St. Louis last year.

    Also, did I miss some reasoning given for the sitting of Reinhart the last 2 games?

  43. Younger Oil says:

    TMc:

    “We had many individuals who were overwhelmed with their speed, and that’s concerning.”

    Seems to be a bit of a disconnect between that and Chia’s quest for more size.

    Very concerned that this is going to be a long year already.

  44. Caramel Obvious says:

    Trading Hall is ridiculous. That said, it looks to me like he has lost a step. That wouldn’t be too surprising. Scoring peaks early + he has had the injuries.

    The defense is terrible.

    Sekera and Fayne are awful. Are they both untradeable already?
    Davidson is not an NHL defenseman. Where is Marincin when you need him?
    Gryba only looks decent compared to Davidson. Where is Marincin when you need him?
    Schultz is Schultz.

    That leaves Klefbom. This team is five D short. When the D is this bad I’m not sure how you evaluate the forwards. They never have the puck.

    Oh, and it turns out that coaching doesn’t turn miracles. This team was better at the beginning of last year than it is now. And that is a fact.

  45. SK Oiler Fan says:

    godot10,

    He can still dump it in, just not a muffin straight st the G who gets an easy clear. Any player older than 13 knows that. Just a mindless play.

    Also, the reason he was dumping it was he didn’t get his feet moving to find open ice to even have a chance to carry it in. I hope he is sick. The other explanations are he’s out of shape or the knee injuries have taken their toll…already

  46. G Money says:

    Hall’s speed was on full display at the Worlds. He was also terrific against NSH.

    Unless he’s hurt again, the explanation lies elsewhere.

    Probably the bad hot dog / hangover that nearly kept him out of the game.

  47. Ribs says:

    I thought with McLellan we finally had someone to keep Schultz’s minutes down to something reasonable. Over 24 minutes tonight! Why?? I feel like I’m taking crazy pills! Was that a real life troll doll in the crowd in Dallas? AAAAAaaaaaaaaaaggghhhhhh!!!!!

  48. TheGreatMcMutato says:

    What an awful game. I just watched 60 minutes of the Stars taking target practice, interrupted occasionally so that the Oilers could pass Dallas back the puck at the red line. And repeat.

    Enjoyed the first two games, but this one… Horrific.

  49. Pretendergast says:

    Caramel Obvious,

    0-5 last year taking on Calgary, Arizona, and Vancouver twice. LA we got crushed because they are LA

    The goaltending was the problem, but that level of competition is nowhere near what weve faced these first 3 games.

    Hall isn’t looking right I agree, bear in mind he was game-time decision today and had rookies the first 2 games.

    Even then his line at least sawed off. We all agree the d arent up to the task.

    Come back from the ledge and pay off a scheduler for next year and itll be roses 🙂

  50. pocession charge says:

    Ribs:
    I thought with McLellan we finally had someone to keep Schultz’s minutes down to something reasonable. Over 24 minutes tonight! Why?? I feel like I’m taking crazy pills! Was that a real life troll doll in the crowd in Dallas? AAAAAaaaaaaaaaaggghhhhhh!!!!!

    Pink hair? California Raisin tan? Maybe she’s eyeing up a spot on the Oilers defence.

  51. PDL says:

    Ribs:
    I thought with McLellan we finally had someone to keep Schultz’s minutes down to something reasonable. Over 24 minutes tonight! Why?? I feel like I’m taking crazy pills! Was that a real life troll doll in the crowd in Dallas? AAAAAaaaaaaaaaaggghhhhhh!!!!!

    LOL. Made me feel a little better. I know TMc knows a lot more hockey than me but it’s like our coaches don’t watch any previous video. Or maybe they all feel they need to see it for themselves.

  52. hoser313 says:

    Stars are better team today than they get credit for. Could finish higher in the WC than people think.

    I thought the announcers (normally good) were “overwhelmed” when they criticized McDavid’s defence on 2 plays early where there were exactly ZERO defencemen in front of the net.

  53. jp says:

    Lucinius: I’d take a Boris Mironov at this point, honestly. Or Ulanov.

    Our D is that bad.

    Please don’t badmouth Bobo. Occasional crazy bonehead plays were part of the package, but he was a real nice Dman overall.

    Our D is THAT bad, but there would have been room for the late 90’s Boris Mironov on any Oilers team of the 2000’s.

  54. Lucinius says:

    jp: Please don’t badmouth Bobo. Occasional crazy bonehead plays were part of the package, but he was a real nice Dman overall.

    Our D is THAT bad, but there would have been room for the late 90’s Boris Mironov on any Oilers team of the 2000’s.

    I wasn’t completely ruling out Mironov/Ulanov right now.. not when they were in their prime.

    I loved both players.

    Especially Ulanov. Who could hate a Russian living up to the drunken Russian stereotype.

  55. Kmart99 says:

    Looked like the same team I saw in game 1 and game 2.
    Not nearly good enough. Lander isn’t playing with confidence.
    Eberle injury is hurting the depth big time.

    PP isn’t firing yet.

    Defense is a mess. We knew this.
    Purcell, Slepy, and Korpi are not top six forwards.

    .300 after 20 gp. But 74-77pts by season’s end once Drai and Nurse are ready, and PC makes a deal for a real #1 dman(if there’s a deal available).

  56. stevezie says:

    Feels weird to say this, but that was a really exciting Dallas Stars game. Loved Spezza, good game from Hemmer, amd the obvious stars delivered.

    We need another good defenceman.

  57. stevezie says:

    Was Lander bad, or just the odd man out?

  58. jp says:

    Lucinius: I wasn’t completely ruling out Mironov/Ulanov right now.. not when they were in their prime.

    I loved both players.

    All right then.

  59. raventalon40 says:

    Gameday Prediction (for G4): Ryan Nugent-Hopkins awakens the beast, for two goals and a scuffle.

    Obvious Prediction: Oilers will need more qualified defense before the d-zone bleeding will stop.

    Not-so-Obvious Prediction: At this time next week, Glencross and Richards will be Oilers, and Purcell will be sent away (through no fault of his own).

  60. Kmart99 says:

    The first 40 games of this year HAVE to set the foundation. Get the system in the beads of all players so it’s clear. Jettison the players holding the team back. Make a big move to really solidify the D. Bring in Drai and Nurse when they are ready. Get the PP going. Find your pairings( both on forwards and on D).

    I’m fine with 15 pts at 20 games and 33 pts at 40 games. Get the foundation set, then make a strong push with all the pieces in place and see if you can finish higher than 20th league wide.

    CMD as captain during the offseason. Next year has to be playoffs. CMDs ELC years are WAAAAY too valuable.

  61. till_horcoff_is_coach says:

    well….. the D will need a few touches. I hope chiarelli skips the scalpel and goes straight for the chainsaw.

    Some thoughts.

    For the gong show of a d-corps, Gryba stood out for me as worst of the bunch. So much horrible on display in one game.

    After seeing schultz for 24 mins I started to miss TCAF. Wow. That night was essentially a highlight reel of awful.

    Reinhard probably just sealed his spot for 80 games as he could take off 4 of the 6 ffrom that game.

    Yikes.

  62. delooper says:

    Wow, 600 posts? Wasn’t this at around 200 posts at game time? Must be a lot of panic in the air.

    I think we all knew (or should have known) McDavid wasn’t going to turn the ship around on game 1. The Oilers schedule becomes more reasonable soon. And they’ll get some practice in after a few hard slaps in the face. We’ll see what the team is capable of… soon.

    This team is better than last year. But that doesn’t mean they’re good!

  63. spoiler says:

    Trying to watch Scorsese’s Casino for the umpteenth time. Never have I successfully made even a full hour.

    Scorsese has been a very frustrating filmmaker over the decades. Perhaps the most frustrating because there’s no doubt he has ability.

    Taxi Driver is good, but it has Schrader, a huge help… and Scorsese does the opposite of what he normally does with the camera. And then a wasteland of movie-making until Gangs of New York which had the potential to be life-changing but the movie suffered from the Weinsteins pulling the plug on the money train when it went way over budget. Still it was a sweet revelation. When the brilliant The Aviator followed the same notions (throughout) I thought, wow, what a difference, it was like Scorsese was reborn, had seen the light…

    But then there he was, back-sliding into his old lazy tricks in The Departed.

    I’m watching this Casino and I nearly have to cry it is so dead. Gonna turn it off now.

  64. Bank Shot says:

    delooper:
    Wow, 600 posts?Wasn’t this at around 200 posts at game time? Must be a lot of panic in the air.

    I think we all knew (or should have known) McDavid wasn’t going to turn the ship around on game 1.The Oilers schedule becomes more reasonable soon.And they’ll get some practice in after a few hard slaps in the face.We’ll see what the team is capable of… soon.

    This team is better than last year.But that doesn’t mean they’re good!

    The schedule is a bad excuse. I mean when I look at the Oilers schedule I see 65 tough games.

    That to me says it’s an Oilers problem not a schedule problem.

  65. stevezie says:

    spoiler,

    Casino is depressing. I have never been his biggest fan. To paraphrase Goldman, great talent with a camera, but he is not a great storyteller. To me, that’s the movie.

    Can really crush a scene though.

  66. delooper says:

    Bank Shot: The schedule is a bad excuse. I mean when I look at the Oilers schedule I see 65 tough games.

    That to me says it’s an Oilers problem not a schedule problem.

    I wasn’t using the schedule as an excuse. I was saying there’s softer targets coming up. Just what a team that doesn’t have an established foundation needs. That is the Oilers.

  67. hags9k says:

    Maybe the boys had too much fun with the Blue Jays and were testing the new coach’s limits?

    And maybe, just maybe they don’t have enough capable defensemen, and don’t play with enough desire to win.

  68. OilLeak says:

    G Money:
    Hall’s speed was on full display at the Worlds.He was also terrific against NSH.

    Unless he’s hurt again, the explanation lies elsewhere.

    Probably the bad hot dog / hangover that nearly kept him out of the game.

    I’m hoping it was illness and not a hangover because otherwise this team (and Hall) have some serious problems. I will give Hall the benefit of the doubt.

  69. 106 and 106 says:

    So much passion here tonight, remember Oilers Nerd Alert said the first quarter would be .400 hockey. While there hasn’t been a sniff, this is sort of expected given a number of things including the quality of schedule + number of road starts.

    For a refresher:

    https://oilersnerdalert.wordpress.com/2015/10/05/expect-the-improved-edmonton-oilers-to-run-just-400-to-the-quarter-pole/

  70. spoiler says:

    stevezie:
    spoiler,

    Casino is depressing. I have never been his biggest fan. To paraphrase Goldman, great talent with a camera, but he is not a great storyteller. To me, that’s the movie.

    Can really crush a scene though.

    That’s pretty close to being the way I feel about him in general terms.

    The fundamental problem with Scorsese, I think, is that he comes from the Italian school of movie story-telling. It’s obvious that he thinks story comes from characters — and he would be right… if he was filming a soap opera. This character-driven story telling requires characters with excess played by sledgehammers for actors in order to get audiences to commit their time and money to watch.

    He then allows these characters to simmer or explode or steam or explode again… bumping up against each other in various ways to drive his “story”.

    This approach makes every element of the eye subservient to character. It’s as if the camera is tethered to the main character(s). There is no world, other than the ones the characters create around themselves. There isn’t even a sense of space.

    But this means there are no cosmic forces or physics or kismet or caprice or many of the other things that having created an actual world would leverage. And, even more tragically, it means that we the viewer are closed out, since there is no world for us to access or for us to allow to overlap or filter into our own dreamworlds. It’s like watching movies that are stillborn, or as I said above, dead.

    All we are left with are thugs on parade… A brutal and very expensive soap opera. (This is also why you see so many medium shots from Scorsese, one of his claims to fame… if you are relying on character excess to drive the story and be believable, you need to show their physicality and how it interacts with the other actors.)

    But Casino is especially egregious because not only is Scorsese’s camera misguided and stunted and tethered in his usual manner, the movie is horrible on many conventional levels too.

    From what I can tell, the first hour is at least 50 minutes of voice over. And simplistic and repetitive voice over that does nothing to move the plot forward at that. I have yet to make it to the point where the actual story and its central conflict start, and that’s almost an hour in! If this script had not had Scorsese’s name on the cover page, it wouldn’t have made it past an intern reader’s weekend shit pile, much less get greenlit.

    And you can tell Scorsese has some understanding of his limitations… he chooses Vegas and its casinos as his milieu… a smart move considering, but then he does nothing to actually leverage this setting, instead doubling down on his laziness by thinking he doesn’t need to actually create a world and give it some agency. After all, Vegas. Well this particular dice roll came up craps for everyone.

    I wonder if even Scorsese himself can sit through this film…

  71. blainer says:

    I feel like I am in the movie groundhog day..

  72. russ99 says:

    I love Casino.

    At the surface ita like Goodfellas 2 but it’s really a brilliantly presented morality tale. No matter how high these people rise, their flaws, their past and their criminality undermine them.

    The beauty is the setup and the depth of the fall.

    Plus it’s a true story, except Spilotro and his brother were wacked in someone basement and buried in the cornfield, other than how it was presented in the movie.

  73. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAint'sSo! says:

    I find everyone slagging on Gryba a bit rich. The guy has played three games as an Oiler with three different partners for each game, two of them for all intents and purposes rookies and another with a Ford Edsel tied to his ankles. Thats asking a lot for a guy that was brought in to play 3rd pair to begin with.

    Schultz and Hall were bad tonight. No sugar coating it, Hall looks like he is overthinking the game. Maybe its trying to soak up TMac or whatever but he needs to simplify. Schultz looked like a ghost compared to the first two games. Zero confidence and it showed in the play. Maybe some of the bad play overall had to do with the different styles between STL/NSH and DAL (rush vs cycle) but ya this was not a good outing for Schultz.

    The biggest problem I saw tonight was the forwards cheating up high on breakout passes and for puck pressure. Both games against STL and NSH the forwards were coming back down in support, today they were cheating for offense.

    On the plus side (going back to GMoney’s work ystd) I did notice the forwards crashing towards the net quite a bit more this game. McDavid had the tip in for the 2nd goal but that kind of play happened more than once throughout the game and I distinctly remember Nuge – Hall have a couple of sorties that ended the same way. Regardless of this crappy game that is encouraging if they keep it up.

    Can we please take a second to discuss Yakupov. Didn’t pickup his man on the 3-2 goal but look at Nilsson’s body language, the GW was a bad goal and the goalie knew it. Not taking anything away from the man (he’s probably got a bit of WW1 shellshock going on this morning) but he let in three pretty soft goals given the barrage he faced. But back to Yak, there were at least three times that i counted him coming back hard to breakup a Dallas rush and/or centering pass. I thought his support leaving the zone was good and even is neutral zone play seemed a lot more structured. Once him – McD – Poo get a little more comfortable in the offensive zone I expect the goals to start rolling in, I like the look of that line.

    Ooo that 3rd line did not look great tonight. Not sure if he’s just that out of step or what but Purcell isn’t looking good at all, He’s been demoted off the top line twice in three games, that doesn’t bode well.

    And its important to keep things in perspective gents, if Yak gets that shot two inches higher the game is 3-2 and we could have 2 Calgary points and we’d all be saying “ok well that wasn’t pretty but they found a way to win” and the consumption of scotch would be much lower.

  74. PhrankLee says:

    godot10: Nirvana was nothing particularly new. They were a good band, with good music, but they were merely the tipping point of alternative music into mainstream consciousness. Nirvana was more the end than the beginning.

    Nice try, Tad. Haha

  75. G Money says:

    This morning’s “breathe deep” message (what other choice do we have?):

    http://i.imgur.com/5xBXx82.gif

  76. Sugar Reijo says:

    Lucinius:
    Especially Ulanov. Who could hate a Russian living up to the drunken Russian stereotype.

    Igor Ulanov’s mug is what I always picture when I read about the Russians steamrolling the Nazis.

    Germany never had a chance.

  77. Sugar Reijo says:

    G Money:
    (what other choice do we have?):

    http://i.imgur.com/5xBXx82.gif

    Long walks in the fresh air? Reading books? Spending more time tending to the emotional needs of loved ones?

    Ten games it is, then! 🙂

  78. godot10 says:

    Lou Lamorello is cheating again, hiding a healthy defensemen, Stephane Robidas, on the injured list, in order to not to have to waive Harrington or Corrado. Robidas was healthy till the Leafs needed a spot to claim Corrado. Then he came up “lame”.

    Hey, Petey, if Lou can do it, why don’t you do it with Ference. Why play one roster spot short.

  79. G Money says:

    rickithebear,

    Nilsson had an outstanding game, and was pretty much the only reason the Oilers were even remotely in the game. 5 goals? Could have been 10.

    That doesn’t change the fact that the goals he did give up (at least two I’d say three) were soft goals. Even he stated as much after the game.

    Hiding from that fact buys you nothing.

    The problem with those three goals is that they were all basically the same – stoppable shots along the ice that easily made their way through the goalie.

    The NHL is not a static league. If you have a weakness, your opponents will exploit you on it. The next game that Nilsson plays, you can bet he’s going to face five times as many low five-hole shots as he did against Dallas.

    So we better hope that those goals were just a fluke one-game thing and not an actual weakness exposed.

    Even if the product on the ice was astonishingly terrible, at least I saw a few players taking accountability. Nilsson was one of them, though he was at the bottom of the blame list. So did Yak for not scoring on the breakaway and then not getting all the way back to cover the trailer on the subsequent Dallas goal. Yak was one of the two or three best Oiler players yesterday.

    Neither of them was happy, as the team should never be after a loss like that.

  80. Adam Wu says:

    As the team tries to learn new systems, we have to expect bad games where they revert to old habits. This is a natural part of the learning process.

  81. Sugar Reijo says:

    G Money:
    rickithebear
    So did Yak for not scoring on the breakaway and then not getting all the way back to cover the trailer on the subsequent Dallas goal.

    Oh, he got all the way back. Problem was he overshot and watched the goal from about the third row.

    And which I think illustrates why so many people (myself included) have for so long found his lapses forgivable. You can’t say he isn’t out there trying. The fact he doubled over after the goal and didn’t try sneaking anybody’s popcorn I think sums him up too.

    He’s got to figure it out at some point right? Anyway he had a good night otherwise, even defensively.

  82. Genjutsu says:

    russ99:
    I love Casino.

    At the surface ita like Goodfellas 2 but it’s really a brilliantly presented morality tale. No matter how high these people rise, their flaws, their past and their criminality undermine them.

    The beauty is the setup and the depth of the fall.

    Plus it’s a true story, except Spilotro and his brother were wacked in someone basement and buried in the cornfield, other than how it was presented in the movie.

    Yeah I’m right there with you. Marty’s a genius.

    He’s made some of the best films of all time full stop.

    Casino is James Woods’ best role.

    Same for little Joe.

    Go back and watch the film again boys.

  83. spoiler says:

    russ99:
    I love Casino.

    At the surface ita like Goodfellas 2 but it’s really a brilliantly presented morality tale. No matter how high these people rise, their flaws, their past and their criminality undermine them.

    The beauty is the setup and the depth of the fall.

    Plus it’s a true story, except Spilotro and his brother were wacked in someone basement and buried in the cornfield, other than how it was presented in the movie.

    This thread is dead now, so hopefully it is okay for me to yammer on about this without upsetting people…

    I appreciate your response.

    It’s certainly understandable that some people like this movie. Violent adult soap operas like Sons of Anarchy and Breaking Bad, which have some allegorical notions themselves, are very popular.

    I expect more from the long form of cinematic narrative though, and even more from someone with the craft of Scorsese.

    I have a question…. What morality did you learn from this movie that you didn’t know before? Morality tales for the sake of morality tales make very weak stories. After viewing, which in the case of this movie bizarrely means hearing, the first 15 minutes, did the downfall of any of the key characters come as a surprise?

    I haven’t seen the last two thirds (approx.) of this movie and yet I know their comeuppance is a-coming. The only thing missing is the specific details. That makes the story trivial.

    Such heavy reliance on unnecessary voice over does not make for brilliant presentation The lack of a created visual world also does not make for brilliant presentation.

    It does not matter that the movie is based on a true story. That does not give it carte blanche for its poor cinematic story-telling, nor is something automatically of value simply because it is based on truth. In fact, outside of the characters, there are a lot of truths being ignored, one of them being “show, don’t tell”.

    As I said, I expect more. I suspect this has some popularity because like TV this is a movie that allows for lazy uninvolved viewing (like TV) that matches Scorsese’s lazy film-making. The characters, despite being based on real people, are little more than cardboard cut-outs with simple motives and flaws that we have all seen countless times before. It’s easy, mindless stuff with a simple moral that confirms most people’s worldview. TV.

    I prefer movies that involve and engage and sweep me into their world. Scorsese really struggles on this level with the exception of the three films I mention above.

  84. spoiler says:

    Genjutsu: Yeah I’m right there with you. Marty’s a genius.

    He’s made some of the best films of all time full stop.

    Casino is James Woods’ best role.

    Same for little Joe.

    Go back and watch the film again boys.

    Firstly, even Scorsese has admitted, in private, that he is aware his movies are hollow and lifeless. This was prior to Gangs and The Aviator, both of which showed he could make life-altering stuff that might stand the test of time.

    Secondly, I have tried to watch this movie “umpteen times”. A lack of viewing attempts is not the issue here. In fact the more I view it, the more evident the film’s and Scorsese’s weaknesses become.

    Thirdly, you haven’t addressed a single concern presented above, relying merely on the assertion that “he’s made some of the best films of all time.” Nor do you provide any evidence for that assertion. I guess I must be on to something if that’s the best the pro-Scorsese crowd can throw back. It’s an argument as lazy and weak as most of his cinema.

    Fourthly, if you think acting is what makes a movie, we probably have very little common ground.

    Fifthly, if you think De Niro and Pesci are great actors that slim common ground is shrinking considerably. Even Scorsese knew by this time that De Niro was limited… he found that out in Raging Bull when he asked Bobby to pull a layered Brando performance and he couldn’t. De Niro however is/was Hollywood bankable, and can act in the conventional sense. Keep in mind, the peak of both these players was when they turned to self-parody. That should tell us all something.

    That said, the one thing that might have kept me going was Sharon Stone… She’s miles beyond De Niro and Pesci when it comes to acting chops (like children, women have a natural advantage over men in this regard), and thinks (thought) seriously about her craft.

    I’d bet dollars to doughnuts she acts the socks off the other two actors for the remainder of the movie and while that would be a small delight, it wasn’t enough to get me to commit to the rest of the film so late at night.

  85. spoiler says:

    Dammit, I keep forgetting Shutter Island. It’s brilliant. Shutter was a return to the camera of The Aviator.

    Watch Casino and then go watch Shutter Island.

    Notice how in Casino nearly every shot begins with the actor and is set-up based on the actors’ blocking. The camera, as I said above, is subservient to the character. It’s more than merely a filmed play, but not a lot more.

    Then in Shutter Island, nearly every shot begins with an element of the environment and then slips to character, ie Teddy, and then even from there to Teddy’s focus. This is a camera that gives us he importance of place, architecture, space, situation. Look at how he explores space, employing dust, ash, leaves, hail, fog…. He even briefly toys with that most difficult element, the architecture of water.

    This is a camera that gives us a world. And because this is a noir movie, the creation of a world is absolutely essential, otherwise there would be no noir physics/forces. His prior religion, that characters are everything, does not allow for making a noir movie. That’s why, other than The Aviator, Scorsese had studiously avoided noir.

    And despite the somewhat derivative elements of the plot (unavoidable in most stories anyways), he leaves us with a glorious mess of ambiguities. Despite the shift in “truth” at the end, we don’t have a clear story thread… is he still the investigating cop but now compromised? Is this possibly a flashback from 9 months earlier? etc.

    And there are references to Scorsese’s quest to finally make something worthwhile throughout the story… the title, the anagrams, the references to Spielberg who has been on a similar quest to make something not just popular but important artistically.

    It’s miles beyond Casino in craft and intelligence and accomplishment.

    Man I hope Marty makes many more movies like this and no more movies like Casino.

    Okay, I’ll shutter up now.

  86. stevezie says:

    PhrankLee: Nice try, Tad. Haha

    Hahahaha There’s your thread winner right there!

  87. Pechetr says:

    Well the good news is we discovered in Dallas that Ference is not the problem. He may not be part of the solution, but he is certainly not the root of the problem.

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