THE DEPARTMENT OF YOUTH

by Lowetide

The 5-9-0 Oilers are what we discussed in summer: Badly in need of veteran defensive help and miles from being able to compete against good NHL teams. I don’t share much of the gloom many Oilers fans felt last night—you can’t ask a defense with three rookies to cover Crosby, Malkin, Kessel et al for 60 minutes flawlessly—and of course we have to adjust our sights for this club while McDavid is away. Those are facts. If you’re mad and upset this morning, you need to go back to August and join me in being critical of management in (once again) stopping short of balance. They need defensive help, and have since Pronger left. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was. Remember Laddy Smid as a rookie? Yeah.

  • Oilers in October 2014: 4-5-1
  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-8-0
  • Oilers in November 2014: 2-9-3
  • Oilers in November 2015: 1-1-0
  • Oilers in December 2014: 2-8-4
  • Oilers in December 2015:

We’re on to Chicago.

THE VERY YOUNG BLUE,  LAST NIGHT

OIL D NOV 6

Darnell Nurse had a good night to my eye, although the Sprong goal saw him commit to helping Sekera at the exact moment the pass came from the corner to the slot on the 1-1 goal. That is to be expected with young defensemen, folks. That aside, he was strong and battled some of the NHL’s best (went 6-6 in 5:19 against Sidney Crosby; 6-3 in 4:31 against Malkin) on a night I saw him good. Fast, physical, rangy, the fact he’s easily one of the six best available to Todd McLellan is a reflection of just how far this team has to go before they have the depth to keep a player like this on the farm. Looong way.

Andrej Sekera lost a battle on the first goal, and speed appears to be an issue, but I like him more each game. He can play either side, pass the puck and play in all three disciplines. Suspect Oilers fans won’t warm to him—he doesn’t fit the Jason Smith profile—but Edmonton needs more of this, not less.

Oscar Klefbom scored a terrific goal, but he and Brandon Davidson (understandably) had a tough time with some of those fabulous Penguins. Klef was 4-8 in 6:30 against Crosby, and a ghastly 2-9 in 4:48 against Malkin. Before you go crazy on those numbers, think about the lack of experience on that pairing. It’s Everest, folks. Everest.

Brandon Davidson shared Klefbom’s night, he’s an interesting player. When a defenseman drafted 5+ years ago is still a bit of a mystery, chances are he’s made some progress since draft day. How much? No idea. He’s not an established NHL player and that may not happen here (so much youth, this can’t go on), but it’s pretty clear he’s in the mix for something.

Griffin Reinhart and Eric Gryba were beaten pretty consistently (3-6 in 4:48 against Malkin) but as above they also took on the most defensive zone starts and that’s a factor for sure. I don’t like this pairing, they’re too similar and their weaknesses (puck movement, flying the zone under control) leave then exceptionally vulnerable when in their own zone.

It’s a better idea than Reinhart—Gryba in my mind, although if you’re going to park Mark Fayne all year, perhaps cash that man for something the coach will use. Anyway, bottom line on the blue: They’re just like the Toronto Maple Leafs in 1970 or so, lots of impressive young talent and they’re going to need a number of lessons before they can play the piano. Howie Meeker used to famously say “KIDS! Don’t play like the Leafs!” during the era that team was cobbling together a young defensive unit, and that’s the issue for you, me, and all those tremendous young forwards. We wait. Unless you’re Taylor Hall, who just goes and grabs the puck and does it himself.

CENTERS

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Leon Draisaitl was 4-6 in 6:12 against Sidney Crosby, I’d say that’s a pretty good grade for a guy who is still a rookie in terms of experience if not in fact. He had a great chance to score but his mighty oak broke at a bad time (looked like a rollover by several logging trucks on the Whitemud) and made some nice plays.

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins was 4-7 in 5:19 against Evgeni Malkin and 6-6 in 4:03 against Crosby. His line didn’t create as many good chances as they will in a week or two, but I thought they were good for their first game. Posts cost this line and others.

Anton Lander won’t be on this team long if he doesn’t move the needle more. He’s going to take the hit for the 3line’s failure.  2-6 in two minutes against Nick Bonino. Mark Letestu (as you can see) received the most defensive zone starts, getting what’s left of the Boyd Gordon treatment. He was 4-4 against Bonino’s trio, and frankly I thought Letestu played a decent game despite the possession numbers.

WINGERS

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Andrew Miller started at center, then moved to wing and ended up playing one minute on a line with Pouliot and Yakupov (and they were good, 2-0 and had some things going). I think he earned another game.

Benoit Pouliot had a weird night, looked ghastly for a time but then returned to his reliable self. If the Oilers were a playoff contender, he might slip down to the third line once in awhile to really screw with matchups. He’s a load.

Jordan Eberle looked good for first time in an NHL game, his timing is off and that’s going to impact the line. I felt he played better as the game went along.

Teddy Purcell had better underlying numbers than the visual suggests, and that often happens with veterans. His 5×5 offense isn’t a factor at this point, but it needs to be, even when he’s playing with 6’s and 7’s. I may be one of the few Oilers fans left who likes him, wish he had just a little more speed.

Iiro Pakarinen didn’t show up in a good way often enough in my opinion.

Nail Yakupov damn near scored the tying goal and I was thrilled for his performance last night. Well done, young man. He was 10-17 with the Nuge, though. That needs to improve if that line is going to stay together. Nail took the hit on the Sprong goal, but for me that’s not his man. Nurse had the front of the net, made the commitment, and it cashed. The trailer is to be covered by the center, no? Don’t have an answer for you on where Nuge was, only that I would need more evidence to prove Nail was the bad man there.

Taylor Hall was flying as always, a pure joy. Played about 10 minutes total against Sid and Evgeni (4-7 and 4-6, respectively) and made good-to-great decisions for the most part with the puck. Terrific toe-drag on Letang but the goal wouldn’t goal.

Matt Hendricks put in another smart game, when this team is ready for the playoffs he’ll do all this fine work from the 4line.

ANDERS NILSSON

For me, I stay with Talbot as the starter but Nilsson’s performances can’t be denied. At the very least, we have an interesting conversation. Bruce McCurdy and I will discuss at noon today on Saturday Sports Extra.

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Woodguy

Bank Shot: You definitely pumped Maricnin’s tires on a regular basis.

It definitely wasn’t based on his boxcars.Corsi was the only thing he had going for him.

If you say that the Weber vs. Ellis comparison wasn’t grounded almost entirely in a difference in Corsi then I think you are being dishonest with yourself.

Marincin also had zone entry denials.

I have all the data from last year and his rate is top 2% in the NHL.

Also,

Corsi on its own isn’t a good metric for Dmen.

The entire Weber-Ellis thing was detailed WOWY with each C on the Preds taking zone starts into account.

If you think that’s “just looking at one stat” you are being dishonest with yourself.

jm363561

bill needle:
When three youngsters and a backup goalie who wasn’t in the NHL last year keep Crosby, Malkin and company to two goals, and the Oilers still lose, it appears the problem is with the offence rather than the defence.
Even without McDavid, the Oilers have the horses up front to score more than one goal on Pittsburgh’s equally no-name defence and a goalie I’ve never heard of.
I also question the statement that the Oilers are miles from competing with good teams. They competed with Pittsburgh pretty well, and almost tied it in the late going. They’re doing fine in the competing department most games. It’s the winning (and getting a loser point at least) that they’re falling short.

The team is 5 – 5 in its last ten games. Of the five defeats:
Kings – goal review went against us in the last minute
Wild – leading with less than 5 minutes to go
Flames – tying with seconds to go
Penguins – beaten by the posts

Frustrating, disappointing, but at least we have not had to watch too much garbage time. There is definite progress and still hope.

spoiler

I find it somewhat ironic that the coach of the Leafs is advocating for bigger nets.

Seems sort of like Burke demanding the NHL upgrade their advanced stats page.

The talk above is the same as happens in this household.

Start calling interference etc like it was called in the prior CBA.

Fix video replay.

Bank Shot

The Weber thing was an analysis of Cmen corsi with each Weber and Ellis with TOI and zone starts taken into context.

You are wrong that it was a “one stat” thing.

I’m not sure of which Marincin thing you are talking about.

Its really weird because of how active I’ve been in looking for different ways to quantify different aspects of Dmen’s game because their roles are so varied.

I have no idea where you get this “one stat” idea from , but its not from me.

When making a post about “one stat” in particular how long of disclaimer would you like indicating that “one stat” shouldn’t be used as the end-all be-all?

You definitely pumped Maricnin’s tires on a regular basis.

It definitely wasn’t based on his boxcars. Corsi was the only thing he had going for him.

If you say that the Weber vs. Ellis comparison wasn’t grounded almost entirely in a difference in Corsi then I think you are being dishonest with yourself.

magisterrex

böök¡je:
Steve Smith is a unicorn sloth.

I won’t retract that statement, based on its the Internet.

Assuming, of course, that Steve Smith is his real name, and not “Steve Smith”.

Woodguy

Bank Shot,

I’ll amend it to state that you have altered your idea of what makes a good defense man in the last couple of months rather than changing it for Reinhart.

Thank you, kind of.

It hasn’t been a couple of months.

I haven’t been this “one stat” crusader you are making me out to be.

But the point remains is that this is just another single stat that is being used to push the overall value of a defender, and this is pretty much the same thing as when you were arguing against Weber and in favor of Marincin.

The Weber thing was an analysis of Cmen corsi with each Weber and Ellis with TOI and zone starts taken into context.

You are wrong that it was a “one stat” thing.

I’m not sure of which Marincin thing you are talking about.

Its really weird because of how active I’ve been in looking for different ways to quantify different aspects of Dmen’s game because their roles are so varied.

I have no idea where you get this “one stat” idea from , but its not from me.

When making a post about “one stat” in particular how long of disclaimer would you like indicating that “one stat” shouldn’t be used as the end-all be-all?

böök¡je

Steve Smith is a unicorn sloth.

I won’t retract that statement, based on its the Internet.

Centre of attention

Watched Chris Pronger do the preface to the Habs-Bruins game tonight for his Hall of Fame induction.

It was a kind of “what it takes to be a hall of famer” story thing. Made me pretty sad and jealous. After they ran the clip of him going one-on-one beating Cam ward as an Oiler, then him hoisting the cup with the next clip as a Duck…

*sigh*

Water Fire

Perhaps as Sather did Chiarelli is going to keep a few characters around. Gryba is the new Don Jackson. As a kid I was always impressed /amazed how he would smile at guys after a fight often bleeding from a smashed up mouth.
#maniacOilers

Bank Shot

Woodguy:

You accused me of not using a metric because it didn’t fit my narrative.

That was false and you need to retract it.

I’ll amend it to state that you have altered your idea of what makes a good defense man in the last couple of months rather than changing it for Reinhart.

But the point remains is that this is just another single stat that is being used to push the overall value of a defender, and this is pretty much the same thing as when you were arguing against Weber and in favor of Marincin.

You can say that my view of Reinhart doesn’t match up with a stat that is extremely small in sample size, and isn’t even really comparable to any of the defencemen on the Oilers that have played a full season as a single game can move such a stat dramatically in a ten game sample. That’s about it.

I’ve been “On an island” before in my assessment of Weber and Marincin because I didn’t think corsi did justice to their abilities so I don’t mind being there.

Centre of attention

Bulging Twine:
One factor MacLellan surely is looking at when assembling his D lineup is the willingness/ability to ‘jump up into the play”.Gryba does that quite regularly.Gryba actually seems to be more involved in the Ozone than most.

McLellan clearly favours aggressive Dmen.

I do see Gryba jumping up. I just wish it was Schultz there instead, because he might be able to actually do something with the puck once it gets up ice. Gryba usually just throws a half-clapper off the high glass behind the net. Sometimes resulting in a jail break heading back into our zone, and a bag skate for all Oilers involved who just skated 150 feet into the offensive zone only to have to double back.

frjohnk

Woodguy:
frjohnk,

And also I envision a list of 4-5 metrics to evaluate different aspects of the Dman’ game, with no one stat being the end all/be all.

I wonder how it would look if we gave a higher weighting to scoring chances against?

Woodguy

frjohnk,

And also I envision a list of 4-5 metrics to evaluate different aspects of the Dman’ game, with no one stat being the end all/be all.

Woodguy

frjohnk: This might make a D man who allows more than league average scoring chances per 60 but an even higher amount of corsi attempts ( lots of chasing the play in their own zone) look OK.

Eric Gryba by this metric is better than league average.Jared Cowen is elite.

On the other hand it punishes guys like Orlov who allows 22 SCA/60 and 42 CA/60.

Jeff petry is allowing close to league average in scoring chances against but is allowing almost 6.5 CA/60 less than league average so it makes him look bad.

Its another stat where we just keep chasing our tail.

I think this another stat that needs to be used within a team only.

Just like using straight SCA/60 every NJD Dman is better than every MTL Dman.

Bulging Twine

One factor MacLellan surely is looking at when assembling his D lineup is the willingness/ability to ‘jump up into the play”. Gryba does that quite regularly. Gryba actually seems to be more involved in the Ozone than most.

McLellan clearly favours aggressive Dmen.

bendelson

A tip of the cap to JDI (visualize the umlate).
I thought you were in rare form in last night’s thread. Lots of energy. Played a smart game. Very entertaining. Way to step it up with Connor out of the line-up! Clutch performance, my friend.
___

0-4 at Rexall this season.
You are starting to irk me, bjookie.

frjohnk

Woodguy: Was just looking at the Sept thread I linked to.
The metric I was messing around with was Scoring Chances Against/60 divided by Corsi Against/60
The idea was that this ratio would tell you how many corsi events become scoring chances when this player is on the ice.
Kind of a “keep em to the outside” ratio.
So if a player had 40% in this ratio, then 40% of corsi events become scoring chances.
The lower the number the better.

This might make a D man who allows more than league average scoring chances per 60 but an even higher amount of corsi attempts ( lots of chasing the play in their own zone) look OK.

Eric Gryba by this metric is better than league average. Jared Cowen is elite.

On the other hand it punishes guys like Orlov who allows 22 SCA/60 and 42 CA/60.

Jeff petry is allowing close to league average in scoring chances against but is allowing almost 6.5 CA/60 less than league average so it makes him look bad.

Its another stat where we just keep chasing our tail.

Centre of attention

Woodguy,

The way he leans on guys, then releases so they fall back a bit with their own momentum, and lose hold of the puck on the boards is so smart. So damn smart. After they fall back, he reaches around with that giant wing span of his and pokes the puck free just like that.

He’s got soft hands with the puck for such a nasty fellow as well.

And to think, he’s only going to get better. Imagine.

Woodguy

Centre of attention:
Woodguy,

Nurse is just a wonderful player isn’t he? 20 years young to boot.

Watching him box out a penguin on the boards in the first period last night, toss a silky little flick-pass that lead to the best break out I’ve seen all week made my poor heart flutter with excitement.

There is hope.

Watch him physically beat on other players than then take the puck is something I’ve been waiting a long time to see.

Too long since an Oiler Dman did that with any regularity.

Woodguy

Same exercise as above, except using High Danger Scoring Chances/60 per Corsi/60

Griffin.Reinhart 0.175
Mark.Fayne 0.179
Andrej.Sekera 0.195
Oscar.Klefbom 0.198
Brandon.Davidson 0.215
Darnell.Nurse 0.216
Justin.Schultz 0.220
Eric.Gryba 0.248
Andrew.Ference 0.295

Ryan.Nugent-Hopkins 0.183
Mark.Letestu 0.188
Anton.Lander 0.235
Connor.McDavid 0.243

Strange how Nurse falls way down compared to scoring chances. Same with Fayne, but the other way.

Might have something to do with sample size.

Interesting to look at nonetheless.

Centre of attention

Woodguy,

Nurse is just a wonderful player isn’t he? 20 years young to boot.

Watching him box out a penguin on the boards in the first period last night, toss a silky little flick-pass that lead to the best break out I’ve seen all week made my poor heart flutter with excitement.

There is hope.

Woodguy

Bank Shot,

So I won’t retract the statement.

You accused me of not using a metric because it didn’t fit my narrative.

That was false and you need to retract it.

Woodguy

Darnell.Nurse 0.405
Griffin.Reinhart 0.433
Andrej.Sekera 0.438
Oscar.Klefbom 0.445
Eric.Gryba 0.468
Brandon.Davidson 0.473
Justin.Schultz 0.480
Mark.Fayne 0.497
Andrew.Ference 0.541

This almost mirror how McLellan has been handing out TOI.

Hmmmmmmm

Bank Shot

Woodguy:
Bank Shot,

You’ve been making the arguement that corsi is the best determining factor for defencemen to me for a long while.


That just gets thrown out now that it doesn’t flatter a guy that everyone wants to see succeed?

No.

I have actually been arguing that corsi is poor for evaluating Dmen.

Maybe Gmoney can chime in here because I’ve discussed it mostly with him.

Here’s a link to a comment I made at Lowetide on Oct 31st

We’ve always thought that CF% wasn’t a good tool for evaluating Dmen. We gotta find someway of figuring out how they aid the offence though.

Are you prepared now to retract this statement:?

All the Weber versus Ellis debates were based heavily on corsi.

Marincin being billed as a potential first pairing defender falls into that same vein as well.

So I won’t retract the statement. I will admit you have been exploring different metrics lately.

I like the new metric G Money has come up with but the samples there are still very small and I think we run into
A lot of the same problems trying to tease an individual’s performance out of external factors that involve Qual comp, linemates and role usage. It still remains to be seen if the new metric will stand the test of time.

I’m not saying Reinhart has zero redeeming value as a defender, I just don’t see him being a very effective NHL defenseman at this time. He’s a solely defensive guy that hasn’t shown he can be effective in big minutes on the PK or in shutting down the other teams top lines.

Right now Reinhart is struggling in a reduced role.

Woodguy

Centre of attention:
This post will get me tarred and feathered, but here I go:

Is it weird that I want to see Schultz back soon and have him slot into Grybas spot?

So far Gryba has provided more PIMs then actual defensive help. For every big hit he throws or cycle he busts, a goal against goes in. For every forward he stands up at the blue line, he gets walked by another. For every errant slapper he takes in the offensive zone, he botches a breakout pass to match.

Schultz is FAR from perfect, but his skill set could elevate Reinhart into being the best he can be.

Classic “hang back and hold down the fort” player type combined with “join the rush and make this a 3-on-2 with Hallsy” type player could be exactly what this team needs.

When is Schultz due back anyways? You know this D core is weak when you miss the Justin f*cking Schultz’s of the world….

I don’t think that’s a bad idea at all.

Woodguy

Was just looking at the Sept thread I linked to.

The metric I was messing around with was Scoring Chances Against/60 divided by Corsi Against/60

The idea was that this ratio would tell you how many corsi events become scoring chances when this player is on the ice.

Kind of a “keep em to the outside” ratio.

So if a player had 40% in this ratio, then 40% of corsi events become scoring chances.

The lower the number the better.

Just ran this year’s Dmen and C’s.

Darnell.Nurse 0.405
Griffin.Reinhart 0.433
Andrej.Sekera 0.438
Oscar.Klefbom 0.445
Eric.Gryba 0.468
Brandon.Davidson 0.473
Justin.Schultz 0.480
Mark.Fayne 0.497
Andrew.Ference 0.541

Mark.Letestu 0.436
Ryan.Nugent-Hopkins 0.465
Anton.Lander 0.471
Connor.McDavid 0.487

I think a metric like this (any metric that uses scoring chances or corsi against) tends to favour 3rd pairing Dmen because they play more often against the “puck optional” players.

However, there are less puck optional lines in the NHL, but they are still there.

Mr. Fayne doesn’t look good.

Nurse looks pretty excellent.

For whatever this metric is worth. I’m not sure, but its interesting to look at.

Centre of attention

This post will get me tarred and feathered, but here I go:

Is it weird that I want to see Schultz back soon and have him slot into Grybas spot?

So far Gryba has provided more PIMs then actual defensive help. For every big hit he throws or cycle he busts, a goal against goes in. For every forward he stands up at the blue line, he gets walked by another. For every errant slapper he takes in the offensive zone, he botches a breakout pass to match.

Schultz is FAR from perfect, but his skill set could elevate Reinhart into being the best he can be.

Classic “hang back and hold down the fort” player type combined with “join the rush and make this a 3-on-2 with Hallsy” type player could be exactly what this team needs.

When is Schultz due back anyways? You know this D core is weak when you miss the Justin f*cking Schultz’s of the world….

leadfarmer

RexLibris: Wait, was that you that said McDavid should be on a line with Hall opening night against St. Louis?

No he already traded Hall a long time ago.

Don’t mind me

Dicks, pussies, and asshole relationships explained

http://youtu.be/y2GwrR-4Q9E

G Money

Woodguy,
Bank Shot,

Yeah, I’m not sure why it would be argued that WG somehow argues that Corsi or RelCorsi are such great measures of defensemen.

It’s used because it’s the most widely available measure we’ve got (unless you want to use boxcars and +-), but it always comes with a caveat.

Of late, WG has been using high danger scoring chances as a measure of defensive play. For reasons I’ve articulated, I like my own version of Dangerous Fenwick.

But those measure just the defensive side of the equation (by all those measures, Reinhart has been excellent).

Measuring the contribution to the O side remains tough. CF/60 and HDSC/60 seem to do an OK job. By those measures, Reinhart is not good, to no-one’s surprise.

But that still means there’s no one measure that works for defensemen. That shouldn’t surprise anyone.

WG and I have been brainstorming ideas around how we come up with better measures, but neither of us has made much headway (and I’d also say no one else really has either, as the link that Rex posted earlier addresses).

McSorley33

I am a glass half full guy and that was the best our D looked all year.

There were 5 actual D-men out there….everyone in here and around the NHL knows who the odd duck back there is now.

As others have commented, the use of this one remaining albatross is most confusing. When Justin is healthy, T Mac will have a very tough time explaining the presence of Eric Gyba in the lineup.

Indeed, curious to see what Reinhart would look like without a partner dicing up the puck into thousands of pieces.

I an not naive to say are great….but they can actually get to dump ins and loose pucks and then clear the zone.

Gazdic did not play….yet, .3rd and 4th line still do not look like they are a serious threat to score…..and tha Pens D is not scaring anyone.

Goaltending was good.

Hated the trade for Hendricks ( I admit it ) but how is it this soon to be 35 year old player looks FAR superior to our bottom 6 forwards?

If you continually get caught from behind trying to carry the puck through the neutral zone, how can you be a threat to score, Teddy Purcell?

RexLibris

Woodguy: Right after I pumped corsi’s tires for evaluating Dmen and put Nurse on my opening night top pairing.

Wait, was that you that said McDavid should be on a line with Hall opening night against St. Louis?

Woodguy

G Money:
RexLibris,

Sounds vaguely familiar.Didn’t it come up that time Woodguy was being a dick and told Bookije to fuck off?

Right after I pumped corsi’s tires for evaluating Dmen and put Nurse on my opening night top pairing.

Woodguy

Bank Shot,

You’ve been making the arguement that corsi is the best determining factor for defencemen to me for a long while.

That just gets thrown out now that it doesn’t flatter a guy that everyone wants to see succeed?

No.

I have actually been arguing that corsi is poor for evaluating Dmen.

Maybe Gmoney can chime in here because I’ve discussed it mostly with him.

Here’s a link to a comment I made at Lowetide on Oct 31st

We’ve always thought that CF% wasn’t a good tool for evaluating Dmen. We gotta find someway of figuring out how they aid the offence though.

So there’s me, not a week ago, saying Corsi is poor for evaluating Dmen.

Also,

Here’s another link to a comment where I kick around the idea of a different metric to evaluate Dmen

That was Sept 11 of this year.

I could go dig up more, but you get the idea.

Are you prepared now to retract this statement:?

You’ve been making the arguement that corsi is the best determining factor for defencemen to me for a long while.
That just gets thrown out now that it doesn’t flatter a guy that everyone wants to see succeed?

Loyal2theoil

Unwashed Oilfan,

Oh btw, when you asked me if it was Davidson who had to playa lower calibre of hockey when he was about to be drafted yyou were correct.

“Red Line: One of the most intriguing prospect stories in the draft is that of Brandon Davidson. After being unable to afford AAA hockey, Davidson flew under the radar playing AA, and only started getting some legitimate exposure last season. Fast forward to today, and Davidson has established himself as a strong defenseman for the Regina Pats who has not only played tremendous defense, but also chipped in on offense as well. Given his unheralded path, it’s tough to forecast how much more potential is left in the tank, but he’s certainly deserving of a Top 60 pick at this point.”

Credit to Red Line and Lowetide’s post over at Oilersnation.

Pouzar

Chris Wescott ‏@TheChrisWescott 4h4 hours ago
#Oilers goaltending prospect Laurent Brossoit made 30 saves last night in 2-1 @condors win. 2 shutouts in 6 GP & .921 save percentage so far

Pouzar

I think Nurse is the Oilers best d-man but that’s just me.

*runs away*
*starts new scrapbook*

pts2pndr

Woodguy,

Respectfully submit ( das paddle)

Gordies Elbow

Water Fire:
I wonder how Sekeras injury affected his training? He may be behind all season. I wonder if he’s 100 % and if there are any longer term implications?

I’d say new coach, new system, additional responsibilities are a bigger impact. That said, he’s a #2-3, and is being played as a #1, generally. As far as I’m concerned, he’s playing within the expected parameters of a #2-3.

verdad2.0

Losers lose. That virtually all of it. But it especially describes this utterly over-rated core.
Last night, like so many nights, was a case of the presumed Oiler leaders never showing up to actually win a hockey game.
Don’t understand why so many on this board will not acknowledge this?

Trade for Lee Stempniak , if OEL is not available.

Chiarelli is the real culprit. An addled ditherer. And add to the dysfunction the failings of this over-rated coach. Tippett is doing more with less, explain? Claude Julien? The list is long.

If the longstanding belief is that the Oilers have offensive talent whey do they never win?
Ok, pitiful defense. Whose fauit is that? Chiarelli mostly.

Give a week to fix this , or fire him.

Bos8

Seems to me that when one goes from a ‘Dick’ to a ‘Prick’, that should be acknowledged and deemed progress.

Bank Shot

Woodguy: But you are seeing things that others are not and the numbers don’t support it either.

You’re on a bit of an island here.

I think Davidson is getting 2nd pair based on foot speed.

What about the relative corsi thats twice as bad as any other defender on the team?

You’ve been making the arguement that corsi is the best determining factor for defencemen to me for a long while.

That just gets thrown out now that it doesn’t flatter a guy that everyone wants to see succeed?

Water Fire

I wonder how Sekeras injury affected his training? He may be behind all season. I wonder if he’s 100 % and if there are any longer term implications?

JD_Wry

G Money:
RexLibris,

Sounds vaguely familiar.Didn’t it come up that time Woodguy was being a dick and told Bookije to fuck off?

http://i.imgur.com/3dGq4z5.gifv

RexLibris

G Money:
RexLibris,

Sounds vaguely familiar.Didn’t it come up that time Woodguy was being a dick and told Bookije to fuck off?

I think it was the time WG said Petry was too soft and they should’ve kept Fistric.

Or maybe the time WG said Monahan’s sh% was sustainable.

elgruntus

G Money:
bill needle,

They got beaten by a better team and four goalposts.

and a shattered piece of lumber on an open net courtesy of Leon

Bulging Twine

“Unless you’re Taylor Hall, who just goes and grabs the puck and does it himself.”

The Pittsburgh D backed up a couple of times BEFORE Hall even got the puck, they saw he was going to get it and started backing up, respecting/fearing his speed. One time Hall got the puck, looked up ice for a pass and seemed a little surprised that they had already backed up almost to their own blue line, so he put on the jets and transported the puck into the Ozone

G Money

RexLibris,

Sounds vaguely familiar. Didn’t it come up that time Woodguy was being a dick and told Bookije to fuck off?

maudite

For the win! Why isn’t this thread shutdown? It can get no better than that.

Unwashed Oilfan:
So, I woke up on the sofa to jeans on the floor in the kitchen.Tried them on, nope, not mine.Wine bottles everywhere, my head hurts real bad.Checked TSN for U-17 score, shit, we lost to Russia in shootout.Ticket stub in my pocket.Receipt from a sports bar in other pocket.Stripper posters on the floor by my shoes.Naked woman in my bed.WTF happened last night?I can see a boob.It’s a nice one.She looks keepable.Okay Dave, stop staring….who is she?We lost to the Pens?Why is Netflix on login screen in the bedroom?LT, I have a problem.Why do I feel like I tried to eat a grilled cheese sandwich last night?

LMHF#1

leadfarmer:
Sure we can analyze that one play all we want but in the end if you score one goal against the Pens who are not playing their starting goalie you are not going to win.

Absolutely.

People are making more note of it than usual due to the ease with which the media and others could go on some sort of rant about Yakupov’s defensive play when that would be inappropriate.