OILERS NO. 5 PROSPECT (winter 2015): GRIFFIN REINHART

by Lowetide

It’s rare for NHL teams to trade top five overall picks before those players establish their level of ability at the big league level. There’s significant risk in dealing away these players, but it’s also true that the drafting organization has already made the call on the player’s long-term potential. Consider the last 10 seasons: Griffin Reinhart (2012); Nino Niederreiter (2010); Brayden Schenn (2009) were the only men dealt before seeing significant NHL time. Two from the Islanders and one part of a blockbuster deal via Los Angeles. It’s a rare thing, but there’s also a hint of ‘bloom off the rose’ in all three cases. These are the facts as we know them as Griffin Reinhart enters his Oilers career.

PREVIOUSLY NO. 5 ON THE WINTER LIST

  • December 2004: D Doug Lynch (2 NHL games)
  • December 2005: C Andrew Cogliano (640 NHL games)
  • December 2006: L Jean-Francois Jacques (166 NHL games)
  • December 2007: C Rob Schremp (114 NHL games)
  • December 2008: D Alex Plante (10 NHL games)
  • December 2009: D Theo Peckham (160 NHL games)
  • December 2010: D Theo Peckham (160 NHL games)
  • December 2011: D Martin Marincin (95 NHL games)
  • December 2012: L Teemu Hartikainen (52 NHL games)
  • December 2013: C Jujhar Khaira
  • December 2014: W Iiro Pakarinen (27 NHL games)

Very similar to the previous list (Cogliano, JFJ, Schremp) with Theo Peckham thrown in for good measure. Khaira, Pakarinen and now Reinhart have much of their story still to be written, but if you look back at Alex Plante in 2008—that’s one of the big reasons Edmonton’s defense is poor. Major miss in 2007.

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WHAT THEY SAID ON DRAFT DAY

  • Corey Pronman, Hockey Prospectus: What separates him from other big defensemen is that he has the puck skills to make people miss, execute all the little plays in tight quarters, and to deliver crisp, accurate passes consistently. Reinhart also has a more aggressive offensive element to his game as he will join the rush and doesn’t shy from being creative in the offensive end of the rink. He also has a pretty big shot from the point that he can put a lot of his big frame into. The thing that has seen Reinhart establish himself so well in the industry has been his improvements.
  • Grant McCagg, tsn: Strengths: Very few 6-4 blueliners can skate and handle the puck like Reinhart, and those attributes alone will intrigue lots of scouts. Has a hard point shot that often finds its mark, good passing skills. Weaknesses: Does not always play with an abundance of passion and drive. Could be more assertive physically, and more consistent in his effort.
  • BJ MacDonald, central scouting: “He’s got nice, soft hands for a big defenseman, can run the power play and has a big shot — both the wrist shot and slapper. He moves the puck as well as anyone in this year’s draft and I like the way he thinks the game. He’s got a nice pro style that will make for an easier transition to the (NHL).”
  • Craig Button: Griffin may be a diamond in the rough but he possesses the carats of a unique player. He has a an excellent understanding of the game with a composure and patience that may suggest a lack of urgency but don’t be confused, his competitive waters run deep and he’s capable of being aggressive and assertive when necessary. He is a very good skater with strong balance and agility and along with his size, he is extremely difficult to break down 1-1 and gain an advantage on. He uses his body effectively and doesn’t lose position and is capable of punishing opponents. His vision is very good, he sees the play unfolding, knows what his options are and is capable of doing this very quickly. He makes very good plays in all areas of the game and ones that gain advantages for his team. His offensive skills continue to evolve and he is increasingly confident creating offense. Griffin has an assuredness in his play and along with his skill and physical attributes, makes him a player who has a chance to be an impact player in the NHL.

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MEMORIAL CUP ANALYTICS

  • Megan Richardson: “What is there to say about Griffin Reinhart? Here’s a guy who played probably every even strength shift against the Petan line or the De Leo line, two monster entry and possession lines. At the beginning of the regular season, those six players carried the puck in an average of 84% of the time. And yet, playing against that top competition, he had the greatest percentage of break-ups and fewest shot attempts against per entry of all Edmonton’s defensemen, rivaled only by Irving, who played cupcake minutes. To see the true impact he had on entries, we can look at his defensive partner Ashton Sautner, no slouch himself, and see how he got burned. After seeing this, I don’t disagree with his choice as MVP of the series.” Source

PREVIOUS TOP 20 RANKING

  • Summer 2015: 4
  • Winter 2015: 5

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  • Michael Fornabaio, Connecticut Post, on progress in the AHL in 2014-15: “I thought he did improve. I did see progress. A lot of people look at that No. 4 overall and expected too much. He’s a player who has that size, they wanted him to get a bit more aggressive (in Bridgeport) and sometimes he was able to do that, sometimes players were able to beat him. Over the course of the season I saw, he learned his way, figured things out, and was making some adaptations.”
  • Michael Fornabaio, Connecticut Post, On playing in the AHL: “Sometimes it’s easier to defend in the NHL because everyone else is in the right place so you can do your own thing. I wonder if that was an issue. He came down (to Bridgeport) after the first couple games on the Island and I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a player as determined to get back up there (to the NHL). At that time he came out and said I want to be an NHL player and want to show that I’m an NHL player.”

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2015-16

  • Corey Pronman: “He’s high-end defensively, and average offensively, which is still a pretty good player. He performed well versus men this season in the AHL and could make the Oilers very soon.”
  • Peter Chiarelli“He’s ready to play and he’s going to be a very good part of our D.”
  • Todd McLellan: “It’s healthy, youth coming through if they can be productive is a real positive thing. I consider Griff to be a very young defenseman in the league, very young. He’s probably played less than Davey (Brandon Davidson) now I think, so he needs that time to grow and gain some experience.”

  • Peter Chiarelli (on his believing Griffin Reinhart being an NHL defenseman right now): “That’s fair. There’s a little bit of lead time that he has to get up and running. He has to make our team. We’ve got 8 or 9 D who are challenging. I believe he is, yeah. What I saw from him in the Memorial Cup. I know his year last year wasn’t great and there’s reasons behind that and that really is—not excuses—but there are reasons that explain it. But what I saw in the Memorial Cup is that you’ve got a player here who can dominate, that can lug the puck, and that can make plays. And for a bigger sized man, he can move well, and I would expect him to be in the top 4 at some point.”
  • Lowetide: If I’m reading the internet correctly these days, Griffin Reinhart is a slow boat who can barely tie his shoes—while also being an NHL-ready defenseman with size and mobility. It can’t be both, the scouts on draft day liked him plenty. I think he’s a solid young defenseman with size, foot speed, the ability to pass and make a pass, protect the puck, win battles and play with an edge. I think he’s close to NHL ready. I also think Darnell Nurse is a better prospect now and into the future. Source

REINHART WOWY AND VOLLMAN

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THE FUTURE

Griffin Reinhart is a former No. 4 overall selection who has some impressive things on his resume. His junior career was outstanding, and the Megan Richardson report above gives us a glimpse into what he might become at the pro level. He is not that player now, and will need some time to establish himself in the NHL.

One thing that will make his transition to the NHL more difficult: Darnell Nurse. He and GR arrived at the same time and Nurse is a better player across all the disciplines (or appears to be). Reinhart has had an injury early in the year, further complicating things.

Long story short: I like Griffin Reinhart as a prospect. I don’t think the Oilers needed him this year because his skills are duplicated (and exceeded) by Darnell Nurse. He may also face competition from minor leaguer Brandon Davidson, who is proving to be surprisingly useful this autumn.

While those things are interesting, that doesn’t have anything to do with our conversation here. Reinhart is a very valuable young player, and his future probably involves several years as a productive NHL regular. It’s not certain that future will be in Edmonton.

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THE 2012 DRAFT

  • Nail Yakupov, No. 1 overall. The 2015-16 season is the most encouraging we’ve seen from him since his rookie year. Flourishing with McDavid. Graduated to the NHL.
  • Griffin Reinhart, No. 4 overall. The Oilers didn’t draft him, but sure as hell talked about it based on what we’re told. If the Garth Snow rumors are true, Steve Tambellini made a massive error. He’s pushing for NHL employment now. No. 5 prospect, Winter 2015. (acquired summer 2015).
  • Mitch Moroz, No. 32 overall. Finally getting some AHL time and showing a pulse. A candidate for the Winter Top 20.
  • Jujhar Khaira, No. 63 overall. Stepping up this season offensively in his second year in the AHL. Not sure if we should trust it, but an interesting curio. A candidate for the Winter Top 20.
  • Daniil Zharkov, No. 91 overall. Injured during a tryout with the AHL team. Not officially in the organization.
  • Erik Gustafsson, No. 93 overall. Productive defender in Europe, Oilers passed on opportunity to sign him. Signed with the Chicago Blackhawks and is productive as a member of their team. Of course. No longer in the organization.
  • Joey Laleggia, No. 123 overall. Undersized puck mover turned pro and is finding his way in the AHL. A candidate for the Winter Top 20.
  • John McCarron, No. 153 overall. Didn’t sign after college, now in the ECHL. No longer part of the organization.

GRIFFIN REINHART, EDMONTON OILERS

  • 5×5 points per 60: nil
  • 5×4 points per 60: nil
  • Qual Comp: No. 4 among D’s
  • Qual Team: No. 5 among D’s
  • Corsi Rel: -12.2 No. 8 among D’s
  • Corsi for % 5×5: 45.9
  • Zone Start: 51.7
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 7/0
  • Boxcars: 10GP, 0-0-0
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Kevin McCartney

I know you always say to separate the price from the player, LT, but I just can’t on Reinhart. For me, this is a classic Oilers trade for a classic Chiarelli Bruin. It’s an impulse buy that solves yesterday’s problems on the one hand, and delivers a player fitted to a more methodical team on the other. The broad outline looks good – draft picks for a still young player with pedigree at a position of need. Brilliant. And yet, all the details of the trade reveal Reinhart to be an ill fit, never mind a poor trade acquisition.

The team is swimming in left handed defenders at every level of the system, including their two highest ranked defensive prospects AND the big ticket FA Chia was clearly targeting (and secured). The NHL is moving toward speed-based defending so aggressively that we can’t be sure there is a place for this player type by the time this particular player emerges. Players with pedigree are more difficult to control contractually (can demand more money, have higher profiles, usually hit the NHL and thus UFA earlier). So if you’re trying to fill your 4th-LD spot, guys like Davidson, Marincin, Laleggia, Musil, Simpson, Osterle, Betker (all left handed…) make a lot more sense.

When I watch this player, I see a ceiling somewhere close to Mark Fayne in a league where Mark Fayne may not have a job within a couple years through no fault of the player. On draft day, the scouting reports focused entirely on his offensive game and puck skills. After the Memorial Cup, the talk is of his defensive transition play. Those are arguably his worst qualities at the NHL level. He remains good 1-on-1, well balanced, strong enough to push Hossa off a puck (which is very strong). I see a scouting profile that matches Braydon Coburn, only with worse lateral mobility and no capacity to play net-to-corner and corner-to-net. He will get better, he will add speed and strength. But I see the Oilers trying to get a player to play with Petry and with Gilbert before him. I see Chiarelli getting a player Claude Julien will love pairing with Dougie Hamilton in a few years.

What I don’t see is a top-4 defender on a competitive team coached by Todd McLellan. In which case, the most immediate reality for this player is his price. The questions become, why get him? and why sacrifice so much of the organization’s potential depth outside the NHL? The fact that neither of those have clear answers makes the player – not just the price – a mistake.

I think the organization is a lot better off if #5 on this list is not another left handed defenceman with “it’s not certain that future will be in Edmonton” in his write up (appropriately).

maxwell_mischief

Griff looked like a monster against Chicago, I thought he had an awesome game. The penalty on Shaw was a garbage call (sidebar- shaw also went face first into the boards on a long stretch pass later in the game, which I thought was quite funny). He made a few plays with the puck, where he held onto it, got out of trouble and made a short, smart pass to move the group forward. He was big (in more than just stature) and filled lanes, and used his stick well. Looked like a real presence.
I think the Oilers have a player here.
I would have loved Samsonov as an Oiler prospect sure, or maybe Barzal yayayaya, thisguythatguy blahblahblah
mostly I am happy the Oilers have Nurse, Klefbom, Reinhart moving forward.

Sugar Reijo

Woodguy: MacT:

Pro evaluator el torro poopoo.

That is an embossed business card just waiting to happen. Chia could have some fancy letterheads with that printed up at the same time and then just go ahead and scratch Craiggers off his Xmas shopping list.

Would give him that much more time to clean up the mess MacT left him with.

Well done, Woodguy!

Gay Leno

LT-minor edit

in the recap of the 2012 draft you have reinhart listed as no. 4 winter prospect

Sugar Reijo

Johnny skid: do you think the flames regret trading him?

Given Ferland’s absence being deemed the equivalent of missing, “a 30-goal scorer or your best defenceman,” what are Smid’s intangibles and pain threshold worth?

Pouzar

blainer: Your being from here is funny as we are so like minded on the Oilers. When I read your posts its like I posted them. Really quite funny to me.

Also some of your posts are hilarious !! keep er goin..

Thx man will do!

blainer

Pouzar: Peg summers are awesome though. Love warm weather but I’d rather be home on the Rock.
Hate the time zone for sports though.

When I retire will probably be looking at relocating to Southern Ontario. Good friends/family down there and it’s obviously the perfect travel hub.

Your being from here is funny as we are so like minded on the Oilers. When I read your posts its like I posted them. Really quite funny to me.

Also some of your posts are hilarious !! keep er goin..

blainer

Pouzar: Peg summers are awesome though. Love warm weather but I’d rather be home on the Rock.
Hate the time zone for sports though.

When I retire will probably be looking at relocating to Southern Ontario. Good friends/family down there and it’s obviously the perfect travel hub.

Yup got family there too. great spot good wine.. great place to retire I bet..

Pouzar

blainer: LOL.. as bad as the weather is here I wouldn’t trade for your winters.. But for the snow..

Also the social life takes its toll on your life expectancy..

Peg summers are awesome though. Love warm weather but I’d rather be home on the Rock.
Hate the time zone for sports though.

When I retire will probably be looking at relocating to Southern Ontario. Good friends/family down there and it’s obviously the perfect travel hub.

blainer

Pouzar: Yer in NL?

Now I’m jealous!

LOL.. as bad as the weather is here I wouldn’t trade for your winters.. But for the snow..

Also the social life takes its toll on your life expectancy..

Pouzar

blainer: Wow I’m jealous. Live on the rock and they don’t play here unless its for the Calder championship !!

Yer in NL?

Now I’m jealous!

Pouzar

Don’t look now but our boy Ziyat Paigin has 6 points in 8 games since being traded to HC Sochi.

Check out his last game. 1 goal, 1 Asst on 6 shots

http://en.khl.ru/players/18686/

Jethro Tull

What do the Flames need with Hamonic?

Don’t they already have The NHL’s Best Defence(TM)?

blainer

Pouzar: Yes please!

Going to be at Moose-Condor game tonight. Please tell me Brossoit is starting!

Wow I’m jealous. Live on the rock and they don’t play here unless its for the Calder championship !!

Pouzar

blainer: Wow just Wow !! Think the oilers could use a goalie like that !!

Yes please!

Going to be at Moose-Condor game tonight. Please tell me Brossoit is starting!

blainer

Pouzar:
Bakersfield Condors RetweetedRyan Holt ‏@CondorsHoltyNov 18
November for Laurent Brossoit: 4-0-0 with a 0.98 GAA and a .970 save%.

Wow just Wow !! Think the oilers could use a goalie like that !!

blainer

stush18:
I gotta say I completely and vehemently disagree with you LT,about everything you’ve ever said.

Actually I just disagree about your thoughts on Reinhart.

I don’t see what sets slepy ahead of him in terms of being a prospect. And that’s coming from the guy who thought slepy would make the team with little AHL time.

He’s cracked a crowded position, and has dragged grubs(I like this nickname) to even possession. He’s even doing better away from him. I don’t think we can really say nurse is the more significant prospect yet. I would love to see nurse and Reinhart switch spots; I think we would see interesting results.

I would have brossoit ahead of both of them.

Johnny skid

PhrankLee: He has that. He is not able to do much about it while propping up Gryba. ANyone thinking they put GR with Gryba so GR can learn from a vet is being nostalgic.

GR is with Gryba to keep him above water.

WaterFire I take exception with your statement that GR sucks. I suspect you are not seeing what you think you are seeing. And how old is this prospect? How long does it usually take to develop a top 4 D?

I will tell you: 300 games. At least.This isn’t learning to clear snow with a skid steer in the Co-Op parking lot.

It’s playing the most complicated position in the world of hockey. NHL D.

i agree completely on your g.reinhart assessment but your skid steer analogy sure made me laugh.

PhrankLee

Woodguy: I like Davidson more right now and its mostly because Davidson has “skating the puck out of danger and occasionally skating it into the ozone” in his toolbox and Reinhart doesn’t.
I be he could add that though.
Hope he does.

He has that. He is not able to do much about it while propping up Gryba. ANyone thinking they put GR with Gryba so GR can learn from a vet is being nostalgic.

GR is with Gryba to keep him above water.

WaterFire I take exception with your statement that GR sucks. I suspect you are not seeing what you think you are seeing. And how old is this prospect? How long does it usually take to develop a top 4 D?

I will tell you: 300 games. At least. This isn’t learning to clear snow with a skid steer in the Co-Op parking lot.

It’s playing the most complicated position in the world of hockey. NHL D.

Woodguy

G Money:
Woodguy,

You really believe that Brodie is better than Hamonic?

Yes

Frank the dog

Pouzar:
Jimmy Murphy ‏@MurphysLaw7446m46 minutes ago
Am told by NHL source that if Flames want Travis Hamonic it’s going to take Dougie Hamilton or T.J. Brodie. The former definitely a no!

Jimmy Murphy ‏@MurphysLaw7444m44 minutes ago
Also hearing the Oilers may be willing to part with Justin Schultz for Travis Hamonic but not sure that would do it.

I can almost see Chia trading Achultz for Hamonic especially of Schultz has back problems.

Frank the dog

One cardinal rule I believe we all need to take into account: Chia will not trade away the future. I’m sure he’ll want Hamonoc but look to underperformers which llikely wont attract Snow unless Choa sees Schultz in that category.
I dought he’s trading the #1 pick, its lilely hi last high #1 for a while. If he keeps Yak with CMc the we are probably looking at a 3 scoring line unicorn

Iagree that Klef, Nurse, Sekera, Reinhart, Davidson are looking like they will develop into a strong rotation of a top 4. I don’t know how giggly the really regard Schulz
I trust Chia’s judgement on that, he sure helps our offence and I have realm been impressed at how he steppe up his d this year.
So if we have 6 players that could play top 4 next year, as nice as hamonic would be, not sure that he’s worth the asking price.
Improving the team this year at the expense of the future has little to mo value to Choa.
And mt goodness they are turning into that team before our very eyes.
I think the two Macs pit Yak back together again. His slapshot id a barometer of his confidence and he’s really picked up the red of his game.

jp

G Money,

Cool. I must have missed (or forgotten about) your earlier posts. I hear you about the volume of data. I’ll start looking at the downloads.

And sorry I asked about Eberle, I never imagined he was team-worst!

GCW_69

Great line in the comments section on TSN for the Hamonic article:

The Oilers have a history of believing they don’t need defence men. They have the lottery picks to prove it.

G Money

jp: Re: your game charts. I do like the player CF% totals and TOI add.
And have you thought of doing DFF for the forwards/lines? Is Eberle really a perimeter player?

Thanks! You know, I actually calculate and show the DFF for all players, all D pairs, and all forward lines. I included all that info at first, but man its a lot of data! So I started culling it back to just the highest value add info in the post itself. All of the entire data set is available in the data files link at the end of the post.

And that last game, the DFF was *not* a fan of poor Ebs. His CF% was 56% but his DFF% dropped all the way to 40%! And that was with the sick goal that he scored.

jp

G Money:
*** NERD ALERT ***

My look at the numbers on Hamonic.

https://oilersnerdalert.wordpress.com/2015/11/19/hamonic-the-real-goods-the-numbers-say-yes/

Looks like a solid player. That’s a nice group of defensemen the Isles have.

If the Oil could get him their D corps has a real projectable look for a bunch of years:
Nurse-Sekera
Klefbom-Hamonic
Reinhart-Schultz
Davidson

Re: your game charts. I do like the player CF% totals and TOI add.

And have you thought of doing DFF for the forwards/lines? Is Eberle really a perimeter player? 🙂

Numenius

I’m still concerned about Klefbom’s injury susceptibility, so I might be willing to part with him for Hamonic.

But only if the injury concern is sufficiently based in reality.

Gayfish

geowal: I don’t think Dutchmen thinks what you think it means.

There’s two things I hate. People who are intolerant of other cultures, and the Dutch.

G Money

Woodguy,

You really believe that Brodie is better than Hamonic?

geowal

Centre of attention:
Tobias with another assist tonight.

*weeps quietly*

Him and Drai could of been our Duo of Dangling Dutchmen!

I don’t think Dutchmen means what you think it means.

Woodguy

Pouzar:
Jimmy Murphy ‏@MurphysLaw7446m46 minutes ago
Am told by NHL source that if Flames want Travis Hamonic it’s going to take Dougie Hamilton or T.J. Brodie. The former definitely a no!

Jimmy Murphy ‏@MurphysLaw7444m44 minutes ago
Also hearing the Oilers may be willing to part with Justin Schultz for Travis Hamonic but not sure that would do it.

Brodie is a top 20 Dman in the NHL.

I hope CAL trades him away.

Even if its for Hamonic.

Less Brodie the better for the Oilers.

Pouzar

Water Fire: Could make Broissoit important as a shorter player

He’s 6’3″

Water Fire

Reinhart sucks.

With that out of the way, there is something missing from the goalie conversation.

The Big Kahunas are going to reduce goaler enhancements again. So if we aren’t happy with the goalers, and we certainly aren’t with the gaolers, the question becomes what type of tutor will be better?

The big man thing is based on large equipment and blocking space and no time to shoot.

If the equipment means movement regains importance being slower is a hindrance.

Could make Broissoit important as a shorter player – ie quicker. Would make the comp now between reaction time and correct net depth, as opposed to just being big in the net.

Pouzar

Jimmy Murphy ‏@MurphysLaw74 46m46 minutes ago
Am told by NHL source that if Flames want Travis Hamonic it’s going to take Dougie Hamilton or T.J. Brodie. The former definitely a no!

Jimmy Murphy ‏@MurphysLaw74 44m44 minutes ago
Also hearing the Oilers may be willing to part with Justin Schultz for Travis Hamonic but not sure that would do it.

jp

Jordan:
I like Griffin.But right now, he’s exposed as a player who can’t handle more than the dregs in this league.He’s not experienced enough.

The reason Davidson looks good?He’s had years to hone his craft and develop.Reinhart may not need that much time, but he surely needs more.

No knock on him – every player is different – just the facts right now – he’s over his head on this team.

Did you watch the Chicago game?

Reinhart-Davidson played a wonderful game.

Incidentally, it was Reinhart’s first full game away from Gryba.

I don’t think it would be terrible to give him some more time on the farm, but saying unequivocally that he’s “in over his head” just isn’t fair imo. At least without seeing him for a spell with a partner who can move/lug the puck just a little.

Numenius

Snow doesn’t want picks, but maybe he’d do a deal centered around our unprotected 1st (+ other assets) to trade for a D-man from any other team in the league.

A pick is like money. You can more easily buy something else you want with it.

bassguy

just the narrative about trading nuge for no1 D?…jasons show this aft…at the end of the season or whatever..what a huge mistake as nuge does so much more than people think or know…how do you trade a pavel..you cant and you should not..he helps the turn north so much?, mike

Halfwise

Wouldn’t Jultz do better on the East, for the same reasons that we are cautious about eastern conference D out here?

We’ll have to wait until Jultz is off the IR.

bassguy

Ice Sage,

haha,,,,,wouldn’t that be great!

Rondo

#2 is too expensive for NYI they would not be interested in him.

Johnny skid

flyfish1168: I hope the do and I hopeLaurent shuts the F^**^ Phlegms every time he plays them

i am so looking forward to it.

spoiler

G Money:
Woodguy,

Sigh.It’s a Finn thing.

Speaking of… I was talking to a goalie buddy during the game last night–and apologies if this is common knowledge–but he says the reason why Finland is such a strong goalie factory is because their equivalent of top kids teams all have dedicated fulltime goalie coaches.

So they are getting taught properly from the time they’re in “Peewee AA”. I know mentors are used, and there are of course goalie schools in the summer, but I hadn’t heard of anything on the same level being done here. Admittedly it’s been almost ten years since I was around minor hockey.

Ice Sage

bassguy:
ok, I actually called this a few years ago?…..I think the best move mact did was to trade smid for LB…all I am saying but I remember how great he played for the oil kings and I was so happy he did this trade or exchange or whatever

MacSquirrel found a nut, Oil King bust meme might be broken with Reinhart and Broissoit

jp

RexLibris: If we project Reinhart as 2nd pairing D, could Davidson be much further behind him, or even at the same level?

Davidson has definitely looked good, but I have two problems with this rationale.

1) We’re PROJECTING Reinhart to be a 2nd pairing guy. He’s not one now, and there’s a chance he never will be.

2) Davidson is 2.5 yrs older than Reinhart and much closer to a finished product. We shouldn’t expect as much growth in his game as we do from Griffin.

It would be amazing if Davidson could be a top 4 D, but I’d be more than happy if he could become a consistent positive effect on the 3rd pairing,

Woodguy

G Money:
Woodguy,

Sigh.It’s a Finn thing.

I get that.

G Money

Stelio Kontos (Formerly Zangetsu-Formerly Thinker): Right, but what are his RickiStats?

Busted! My rickistats calc is implemented for this year (using data I scrape directly from the NHL). But I can’t do cumulative stats yet, only game by game.

I can do cumulative stats on last years data which is sourced from war-on-ice … but no rickistats!

DAMMIT STELIO, I’M A PROGRAMMER, NOT A MAGICIAN!

flyfish1168

Johnny skid: do you think the flames regret trading him?

I hope they do and I hope Laurent shuts out the F^**^ Phlegms everytime he plays them

G Money

frjohnk,

Thanks Padre!

G Money

Woodguy,

Sigh. It’s a Finn thing.