GET YOURSELF TOGETHER

Get yer Ya-Ya’s out, it’s time to turn left. Up the ladder to the roof, climb that big rock candy mountain, travel river deep, mountain high, take it to the limit, out of your brain on the 5:15. Music! Oh, and by the way? Still plenty of pain.

OILERS EARLY, SEASON OVER SEASON

  • Oilers in October 2014: 4-5-1
  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-8-0
  • Oilers in November 2014: 2-9-3
  • Oilers in November 2015: 3-4-1
  • Oilers Goal Differential in 2014 Oct/Nov: -34
  • Oilers Goal Differential in 2015 Oct/Nov: -8

This is a better team but the won-loss record has been lagging. The goaltending/defense isn’t where it should be (55 GF is a solid total, but 63 GA is death valley again so far). The 55 goals for are one behind the division lead in that category. Todd McLellan’s Oilers are going to score goals.

I was going to write “we’re seeing something special” about Leon’s 10 games but the NHL PR folks drive home the point better than anyone could with only words. Lordy. If you can write a song, rhyme “Draisaitl” with “fantastical” and you’ll sell a million in this city alone—if it’s got a good beat and you can dance to it. Simply incredible talent, his goals are a wonder and come in packs of six and a dozen. It’s so easy to fall in love! Stunning. Stunning.

SADDLEBLAZER

Just before midnight, in the comments section of this blog, the following appeared from Saddleblazer:

  • One September afternoon in 2004 I knocked on my neighbour’s door and introduced myself. She was a lovely young lady who, like me, came to Edmonton from the North for university. We became friends over games of cribbage and putting together 1000 piece puzzles.
  • We started dating and once 2005 rolled along, she learned that I was a big hockey fan and I learned that HER MOTHER HAD CORPORATE SEASON TICKETS IN ROW 4 OF REXALL. No joke, I went to around 30 home games that magical season. I shouted “I LOVE YOU” to Chris Pronger a hundred times and hung his life sized poster in my home (it was under the seats one home game that year). I was at game 3 of the cup final when Smytty banged home the winner.
  • Needless to say, I married that girl and moved back North with her. We are expecting our second child in February. We are in Edmonton for the weekend and just returned home from the game. Terrific performance by our boys. I purchased a Draisaitl 29 jersey and wore it proudly when he was announced the game’s first star. I am happy that this was the last game I’ll see them play in that old barn. Farewell, Rexall Place.

THE POINT IS MOOT

It’s kind of weird reading twitter these days. Even though we can all agree that young players—especially defensemen—do not develop in a straight line, there are factions forming behind all of the rookie blue in Edmonton this season, for and agin. From “I saw him play table hockey at seven, made the call that day” to “He’s the first defenseman I’ve ever seen get walked by Patrick Kane” the hyperbole is rich, splendid and not particularly helpful to the modern fan. Here’s the actual state of affairs, accept no substitutes.

  • Darnell Nurse is an exceptional talent who is learning quickly but is not yet fully completely. No sin in that, and we’re looking at a very nice range of skills and all he lacks is the sorties. There are going to be nights of ‘also in photo’ but there’s already moments of real contribution. Already. Dynamite hockey player. 11GP, 1-4-5 ranks No. 4 in the NHL among rookie defensemen. He’s also third in the NHL among rookie D in TOI per game, 19:09.
  • Brandon Davidson also has a nice range of skills, and the minor league experience so few of these young men get in the modern world. A cup of coffee in the ECHL and basically two full seasons in the AHL have given Davidson a chance to learn the trade. A lesson here, methinks. We should also allow for the usual ups and downs and agree that we don’t actually know what the Oilers have in Davidson. A very low draft pick (No. 162 in 2010, he’s the last NHL piece standing from the Lubo for Ryan Whitney deal) who has shown extremely well in limited play this year, one hopes we hold back from gushing too much and allow the young man to find his place on the roster. He’s 23 games into his NHL career folks. Early days indeed. Still, very encouraging and it behooves the Oilers to play him every night until he’s either established or finds his way to the pressbox due to his own play. 11GP, 2-2-4 and his 17:24 ranks him No. 8 among rookie defensemen in TOI.
  • Griffin Reinhart is perhaps the most dividing defender on this year’s roster (until JSchultz returns, anyway) and a lot of that has to do (imo) with the price paid. Reinhart is 19 games into his NHL career and is learning on the job. He doesn’t have Nurse’s wheels and that’s going to cost him (we saw examples last night) but I do think he’s far better away from Gryba and we’re going to have to judge him over a longer term. It is unfair to compare him to Nurse, and if I’m Chiarelli there has to be at least the thread of an idea rumbling around my brain to trade him out. 11GP, 0-0-0 and his 16:29 ranks him No. 13 among rookie defensemen in TOI.

A lock for the top four, a riddle that needs repeating and a former lottery pick trying to catch a fast train. This situation SO reminds me of those late 1960s and early 1970s Leafs teams, it’s incredible. Who is the Dorey, who is the Pelyk, who is the Glennie, who is the Ley? There’s no McKenny I can see and these youngsters will make themselves known eventually. Until then, I advise a strict adherence to the following: NO grand statements about rookie defensemen, especially in an era when google search can find you. No one knows, people. They are defensemen, and they develop and slide back and get hurt and lose some speed and God knows what else. If you really want to know the state of affairs, ask Mr. McLellan:

NUGE!

  • Ryan Rishaug: “His (Leon Draisaitl) emergence, simply put, gives them some options. When Connor McDavid comes back, if Draisaitl is playing at something close to this level, that gives them a Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl one-two-three punch. All kinds of depth down the middle. As we know, the Oilers are a team that needs help on the blue line. Should they decide to ‘rob Peter and pay Paul a little bit, and move a forward to bring in a high-end defensemen, well now the potential to move a player like Ryan Nugent-Hopkins doesn’t sound quire so ridiculous. Something they’re going to take their time and think a long time about. Draisaitl needs to show he can do it over the long haul, but his emergence gives the Edmonton Oilers brain trust options.”

This is from Mr. Rishaug last night, and he’s right. Not now, not this season and I’d argue next as well, but at some point Edmonton is going to make a move and it might be the Nuge. Would I do it? No. I’d move a winger and place Leon on RW until both McDavid and Draisaitl are mature. Strength up the middle is too precious to abandon. I think Peter Chiarelli is contemplating things though, suspect Rishaug is spot on about the options opening up. Interesting times. I still think Yakupov will be odd man out when push comes to shove, Schultz too.

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  1. borisnikov says:

    Is the box score item a message from the league and SAP to bloggers and former bloggers to stop criticizing? Travis Yost really laid the verbal smack down this week.

    Natural Stat Trick @NatStatTrick
    No report for the Devils – Oilers game for the foreseeable future. NHL isn’t posting their reports past the box score yet.
    7:10 AM – 21 Nov 2015
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  2. saddleblazer says:

    Well I’m on cloud nine this morning. Thanks for this amazing forum LT!

  3. dwillms says:

    Should the last line read “Oilers Goal Differential in 2015 Oct/Nov: -8” instead of 2014?

  4. Lowetide says:

    dwillms:
    Should the last line read “Oilers Goal Differential in 2015 Oct/Nov: -8” instead of 2014?

    It does. 🙂

  5. Lowetide says:

    saddleblazer:
    Well I’m on cloud nine this morning. Thanks for this amazing forum LT!

    Thanks for sharing your story. Terrific stuff.

  6. John Chambers says:

    Chia Pete is wise to keep his powder dry to see how his young defence evolves.

    The odd men out appear to be Fayne, Gryba, and Schultz, all RD’s whose contract obligations end after the season. They represent about $8.5M in cost, or over $16M when you add in Ference and Nikitin.

    Perhaps rather than trade a top forward we’re better to add a top-4 RD as a UFA (Byfuglien!)

  7. Giant Squid Overlord says:

    LT,

    Maybe you owe a certain broadcaster an apology – Nuge may just yet be a 3rd line center!

    This, of course, is said with tongue firmly planted in cheek.

  8. crimson20 says:

    Been a reader for years, but had to create an account because I felt compelled to speak on Rishaug’s comments.

    I’m not sure if it’s something in the Edmonton water, but we seem averse, dare I say even allergic, to have any sort of depth. We have spent the better part of a decade trying to generate quality centre depth (after dismantling it overnight), only to start thinking we’ll “probably be fine” with two young ones down the middle?

    RNH has been a rock in all zones, all situations, is at a BARGAIN price for a #1 center, and to CONSIDER trading him would be absolutely asinine. To me, those comments are more troubling than last night’s win. I really hope Rishaug was just spit-balling.

    Thanks for listening.

  9. frjohnk says:

    saddleblazer:
    Well I’m on cloud nine this morning. Thanks for this amazing forum LT!

    great stuff

  10. Halfwise says:

    saddleblazer:
    Well I’m on cloud nine this morning. Thanks for this amazing forum LT!

    It’s a great story and I’m glad you brought it. And LT has just the right touch with how he handles things.

  11. blainer says:

    Really expecting Poo Nuge and Ebs to get going. Nuge’s flu Ebs injury have slowed that line a bit. They are close.

    Most optimistic than I have been in a long time. Things are going to change big time when CMD returns.

    No dumb trades please. Stay the course and hope the goaltending turns around.

  12. Snowman says:

    If we had a coach that wasn’t Maclellan I would be more concerned about trading a young C. Fortunately Maclellan has a history of playing Cs on the wings in addition to at center. He’s managed three Cs in the past and absolutely can do it with this Oilers group.

    I agree with LT. I see Yak as the odd man out eventually. People worried about the salary cap shouuld relax a bit. The people we have in the minors and the pressbox will pay for CMDs next contract by themselves. Purcell isn’t going to making bank the same way he is. Schultz isn’t going to make bank the way he is.

    There’s great potential to lock up some more young D for long term budget friendly contracts. Imagine Nurse with the Klefbom deal. Reinhart isn’t going to put up as many points so you probably don’t have to pay him as much. If Davy pans out in the long term I’m betting he’s going to reasonably priced. Sekera is starting to deliver on his contract.

    The Oilers are actually looking pretty decent cap-wise if they are patient and play things right.

    Exciting times.

  13. godot10 says:

    All three centres are affordable during McDavid’s entry level deal.

    The centre question is a question for the summer of 2018, not for today or the near future. Nugent-Hopkins will still have duration on his contract in the summer of 2018. He will even be a better player then, and have even more trade value. Draisaitl full value also won’t be apparent till then.

    This “trade-a-centre” talk is ridiculously premature.

  14. Klima's_Bucket says:

    LT,
    Yesterday you said the Oilers would have to win 7-0 to help out your RE series.
    They “only” won 5-1.

    I’m sorry they let you down.

  15. Lowetide says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    LT,
    Yesterday you said the Oilers would have to win 7-0 to help out your RE series.
    They “only” won 5-1.

    I’m sorry they let you down.

    I’m not that upset. 🙂

  16. Water Fire says:

    John Chambers:
    Chia Pete is wise to keep his powder dry to see how his young defence evolves.

    The odd men out appear to be Fayne, Gryba, and Schultz, all RD’s whose contract obligations end after the season. They represent about $8.5M in cost, or over $16M when you add in Ference and Nikitin.

    Perhaps rather than trade a top forward we’re better to add a top-4 RD as a UFA (Byfuglien!)

    Byf would be ideal but only if the term isn’t too long because a guy that big could drop off fast in a few years, and why would he go for that, it’s his last big contract. But it would be something, change the tone of the D a bit you might say.

  17. anonymous says:

    Hamonic at 3.8 and Nurse signing long term on a Klefbomb like deal would be a dream. The top four would come in at roughly 18 million. Hall, Nuge, Eberle, Yak, Draisaitl and Mcdavid could all stay long term. Assuming you can get Hamonic for something like Shultz and a 1st.

    I think Mcdavid signs for around 8 on his next deal. Seems like the kind of kid who’s going to put the team first.

  18. oilswell says:

    Well, I am a Nugent-Hopkins fan and I adore the idea of strength at centre. But since I waded into these waters already I feel compelled to defend “trade a centre” discussion.

    godot10:
    All three centres are affordable during McDavid’s entry level deal.

    The centre question is a question for the summer of 2018, not for today or the near future.Nugent-Hopkins will still have duration on his contract in the summer of 2018.He will even be a better player then, and have even more trade value.Draisaitl full value also won’t be apparent till then.

    This “trade-a-centre” talk is ridiculously premature.

    Yes, it is premature, however are you aware that this is the internet? When did it start being taboo to speculate about what-ifs?

    Snowman posted this in the last thread:

    Speeds had a rant up on twitter about trading RNH. Imagine being able to send at least one of CMD, RNH or Dr. Drai over the boards for literally every even strength minute. That’d be something wouldn’t it.

    speeds is one of the sharpest commenters you’ll find, and so it’s no surprise he’s absolutely right: yes, yes it would be something. And something awesome.

    You know what else would be something? Sending Pronger onto the ice for literally half the game and every dangerous situation.

    If the Oilers have 3 incredibly valuable centres which you can turn one into an incredibly valuable D, I’m suggesting that’s something to consider.

    And worth talking about without attacking the discussants and implying even the thought is utterly foolish.

  19. Frank the dog says:

    I believe the only trades Chia is going to make, are trades to enhance this team from next year onwards. I do not believe Chia will sacrifice the future at this stage to improve the present in any way unless we are getting dementor-esque losses deeper into the season and the fans are marching on the Oilers HQ, not likely to happen at this point in time.
    So once again I think you have nailed it LT. Forget trading the core, we are wasting electrons going down that road. The only people I believe Chia will trade are players who have dropped out of his future plans, or dubious future players traded for sure bets.
    Even the “Core bubble” players are not looking that bad – or are they? Schultz is actually trying to defend, has actually laid a hit or two and joined an actual scrum in defence of a team mate. Whether he can become heavy on the puck enough for Chia’s liking is the tell. Yes=keep no=trade.
    Yak could become the horn on the nose of the CMD 1 Unicorn line. For all his struggles he has done well with CMD, better than the other RW’s CMD has had I understand. Is that incorrect? Maybe he’s just too much of a “different” player to blend with this team of red blooded Canadians, Russians, Swedes, Finns, and German, but I doubt TMac or Chia will put up with that crap. He will not trade Yak unless it is to improve the team for next year. Yak has become heavy on the puck, is all over the ice, and TMac has become the Yak whisperer, among other good things, the hallmark of a top line coach and a complete opposite of the “beat him until his morale improves” tactics of the dementor.
    Before anyone tells me tha tYak is Russian, Yak himself has commented that he does not consider himself Russian. Yak is a Tatar, a suppressed minority in the Russian Archipilago, closer culturally to the Muslim Turks than to the Caucasian, Russian Orthodox culture of most Russians. It has taken a strong leader like TMac and the brilliance of a player like CMD to undo the damage done to Yak’s psyche by the dementor, and one has to assume some level of social separation from the others.
    So yes, Yak and Schultz may be on the bubble, IF Chia sees better options for 2017 and beyond available to him.
    But how wonderful it will be if we are finally witnessing the early spring of a 10 year winter in the barren wilderness. If that winter actually did turn into a 10 year or even less of a dynasty, that sure would ease the pain of the cold, hunger and humiliation of the years past.

  20. pboy says:

    Here’s something else to consider. How long until skilled players are willing to take less to come here because they know they will have a chance to win and pump their value by playing with 93, 29 and 97? That’s closer than it looks if Dr Drai keeps making this leap.

  21. 719 says:

    I have long been a fan of Byfuglien. Would love to see him on the Oilers. I am worried about his conditioning, penalties, age and cost, but some risk must be taken if you want a d-man like him.

    The real play may be to trade for Chara in the off-season.

  22. Sugar Reijo says:

    crimson20:
    I’m not sure if it’s something in the Edmonton water, but we seem averse, dare I say even allergic, to have any sort of depth. We have spent the better part of a decade trying to generate quality centre depth (after dismantling it overnight), only to start thinking we’ll “probably be fine” with two young ones down the middle?

    Chiarelli built around Bergeron, Horton and Krejci in Boston. So I think he knows a little something about the value of centres, if that’s ever a concern. 🙂

    Of course Chia also enjoyed the benefit of a certain hugely tentacled alien monster of a minute-munching defenceman, so I understand the motivation to speculate about dealing from a position of relative strength to address our defense.

    That said, there are some who would have happily handed the keys to Leon away this summer at the first available offer of a *top-4* defenceman. Now that we’re ten games into Leon’s season and many can’t move the Nuge fast enough.

    It’s crazy talk.

    Somebody suggested an equivalent centre depth here of Crosby, Datsyuk, Kopitar. Right now that really doesn’t seem that far off. Why give that up for anything less than full value? And does anybody think Nuge or Draisaitl have maxed out at this point?

    As LT points out all of this is really a conversation for another year. And likely not even the one coming up.

  23. PhrankLee says:

    oilswell: You know what else would be something? Sending Pronger onto the ice for literally half the game and every dangerous situation

    But there is no player remotely close to that kind of reliability in the league or in the minors or the draft…

    Chris Pronger? C’mon.

    If you trade for Ryan Suter or Shea Weber you still get robbed.

    Name me one player out there comparable to CFP.

    You cant.

    Major shortage of #1 D to trade for.

    Plenty of guys in the system now to develop into #1 D.

    Trading for D has not worked since Chris Pronger. They are too expensive and only come about once they have been used up and spit out: Sheldon Souray? Ryan Whitney?

    D must be developed in the system to keep in line with the cap.

  24. Woodguy says:

    crimson20:
    Been a reader for years, but had to create an account because I felt compelled to speak on Rishaug’s comments.

    I’m not sure if it’s something in the Edmonton water, but we seem averse, dare I say even allergic, to have any sort of depth. We have spent the better part of a decade trying to generate quality centre depth (after dismantling it overnight), only to start thinking we’ll “probably be fine” with two young ones down the middle?

    RNH has been a rock in all zones, all situations, is at a BARGAIN price for a #1 center, and to CONSIDER trading him would be absolutely asinine. To me, those comments are more troubling than last night’s win. I really hope Rishaug was just spit-balling.

    Thanks for listening.

    Agreed 100%

    Post more.

  25. Woodguy says:

    godot10:
    All three centres are affordable during McDavid’s entry level deal.

    The centre question is a question for the summer of 2018, not for today or the near future.Nugent-Hopkins will still have duration on his contract in the summer of 2018.He will even be a better player then, and have even more trade value.Draisaitl full value also won’t be apparent till then.

    This “trade-a-centre” talk is ridiculously premature.

    This 1,000,000 times.

  26. Mr DeBakey says:

    Looking at the D this morning
    When Schultz is ready to return, to make room the OIlers must…

    A. IR Ference
    B. Demote Reinhart
    C. Trade a current D-man for a pick
    D. Other

  27. SwedishPoster says:

    I’d stay calm in regards to trades for at least this season and probably a big chunk of next if the team keeps evolving. Klefbom, Nurse and Davidson are looking good enough for me too hope we might solve our defensive woes internally. They are in no way or form all there and it’s way too soon for any kind of certainties but it’s looking awfully promising thus far. What’s intriguing is that they all are very toolsy with skating that goes from good to amazing, all three are strong on the boards, a first pass that goes from solid to splendid and with all showing Some offense as the fact they all have gotten PP time will tell ya.

    And I might be crazy including Davidson and I realize he’s likely in a different tier as far as upside goes. But draft position and junior career be damned. I see a D-man who is improving every season, who’s gone from barely average to good skater in three years, who is strong as an ox, has added an elite slapper that at least I didn’t know he had to his arsenal, who’s moving the puck better by every game, it’s like the game is slowing down by the shift for him, who despite being touted as defense first has shown offensive smarts and has a track record of beating down obstacles like he’s playing whack-a-mole. I understand it’s early and that the real trick is to keep it up for 82games plus playoffs year after year but I’m just not going to bet against that kind of ability to work hard and learn.

  28. Frank the dog says:

    Remember, other GM’s are not our friends. A successful GM makes good trades in spite of other GM’s not because of them. They keep their powder dry, build from within and strike when other GM’s are in a position of weakness and need of a spare asset in return for an asset that better fits the successful GM’s needs.
    Many of us seem to be stuck in the mindset of trading from a position of weakness, as the Oil has been for so many years, the NHL’s incubator of talent, through the dark 90’s and beyond with the exception of a single blip.
    So let’s try to wrap our minds around the emerging result of those 10 years of suck, one of which is trading from a position of strength with a canny GM at the helm, signing UFA’s at a discount, trading out flotsam and jetsam for useful 6’s and 7’s, fielding a team that others mark on their calendar for the opposite reason they have until now. Scheduled mauling rather than scheduled wins with replacement players while they rest their best.
    Dare to dream.
    BTW LT there is something wonky with this site. Often cant post, often can only log in at the second or third try.

  29. Bank Shot says:

    The trade a centre talk is never premature.

    I don’t want to give up one of Darisaitl or Nuge either but you aren’t going to get anything good in return dangling Yakupov or Schultz. Yak can’t even stay consistently in the top six of a last place team for crying out loud.

    If Nashville came over and offered Josi for Nuge/Drai for example that’s a trade you might have to make.

    In that case it makes sense and I think that’s the type of trade people are thinking about when they say dangle Nuge. Its not trade Nuge for depth. If they trade a center for an equal D-man I’m OK with it.

  30. SwedishPoster says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    Looking at the D this morning
    When Schultz is ready to return, to make room the OIlers must…

    A.IR Ference
    B. Demote Reinhart
    C. Trade a current D-man for a pick
    D. Other

    I’d say the play is to send Reinhart down and have him work on skating and gain some offensive confidence. The only reason not to would be if Chia is contemplating trading him as a demotion would likely kill his value.

  31. Woodguy says:

    oilswell:
    Well, I am a Nugent-Hopkins fan and I adore the idea of strength at centre.But since I waded into these waters already I feel compelled to defend “trade a centre” discussion.

    Yes, it is premature, however are you aware that this is the internet?When did it start being taboo to speculate about what-ifs?

    Snowman posted this in the last thread:

    speeds is one of the sharpest commenters you’ll find, and so he’s absolutely right:yes, yes it would be something.And something awesome.

    You know what else would be something?Sending Pronger onto the ice for literally half the game and every dangerous situation.

    If the Oilers have 3 incredibly valuable centres which you can turn one into an incredibly valuable D, I’m suggesting that’s something to consider.

    And worth talking about without attacking the discussants and implying even the thought is utterly foolish.

    Sure if you can get a Pronger you have to look at it.

    There isn’t even a Pronger in the NHL right now though.

    Here’s the top 30 NHL Dmen via TOI/gm (all situations):

    Erik Karlsson
    Alex Pietrangelo
    Drew Doughty
    Brent Burns
    Kris Letang
    Oliver Ekman-Larsson
    TJ Brodie
    Justin Faulk
    Duncan Keith
    Alexander Edler
    Roman Josi
    Jack Johnson
    Zdeno Chara
    P.K. Subban
    Shea Weber
    Rasmus Ristolainen
    David Savard
    John Carlson
    Mark Giordano
    Jay Bouwmeester
    Francois Beauchemin
    Alex Goligoski
    Andy Greene
    Brent Seabrook
    Travis Hamonic
    John Klingberg
    Matt Niskanen
    Dustin Byfuglien
    Michael Del Zotto

    How many are “Pronger”?

    Doughty maybe.

    PK maybe.

    OEL maybe.

    Karlsson kind of but he gives up a ton the other way.

    Weber – meh too old for this group and that contract is a killer in 2-3 years.

    Suter – Maybe, but he gets paid forever too

    So there’s maybe 6-7 Dmen worth trading RNH for and the chances of any of them actually becoming available next to nil.

    Maybe NAS as they really need a C.

    I don’t want Weber’s contract and I think RNH is currently an overpay for Jones and certainly is for Ellis.

    Smaller targets are needed.

    Ellis, Hamonic, Spurgeon, etc those guys.

    One very good NHL Dman to compement Sekera, Nurse and Klefbom.

  32. Woodguy says:

    Oilers have no cap troubles in 15/16 or 16/17.

    Not until McEverything needs to get paid.

    If Buffldskajfssaysasdinlin makes it to FA why not offer him a ridiculous 2 year contract?

    Might take it.

  33. Woodguy says:

    Bank Shot,

    If Nashville came over and offered Josi for Nuge/Drai for example that’s a trade you might have to make.

    Oilers really need a RHS, not another LHS.

  34. Woodguy says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    Looking at the D this morning
    When Schultz is ready to return, to make room the OIlers must…

    A.IR Ference
    B. Demote Reinhart
    C. Trade a current D-man for a pick
    D. Other

    “How are you feeling this morning Andrew”

    “Better, getting over the flu”

    “How’s your foot?”

    “Foot”?

    *WHACK*

    “Yeah, your broken foot, how is it?”

  35. DawnM says:

    Remember how dismayed we all felt when we found out Nuge had the flu and wasn’t playing, the sinking feeling that came with realizing our centres were Drai, Lander, Letestu, and Miller. I have no desire to have that feeling recurring on a regular basis. No offense to the three gentlemen not named Draisaitl, but please powers that be do not put us wandering through the wasteland of no depth at centre again!

  36. Frank the dog says:

    I’m so glad none of us run this team. That has not always been the case.

  37. Nate780 says:

    Woodguy,

    Does Parayko make Shattenkirk expendable?

  38. frjohnk says:

    Oilers looking for a top pairing Dman?

    I think one of them has arrived.

    D men this year who have played more than 100 mins. 5 on 5.

    Offensively

    He is 7th in points/60 with 1.46.

    He is tied for 60th in creating individual scoring chances with 12.

    He is tied for 65th in creating individual corsi attempts with 48.

    Defensively

    He is playing the toughest competition on the oilers back end.

    He is 59th in the league with a Corsi against/60 with a 50.43. League average is 53.39

    He is 27th in the league with a scoring chance against/60 with 21.85. league average is 25.66.

    He is 48th in the league with a high danger scoring chance against/60 with 9.1. League ave is 10.45.

    The list of D men who are top 70 offensively AND defensively in those metrics above, is only a couple of handfuls.

    Klefbom has arrived people. And at 22, he is only going to get better.

  39. Woodguy says:

    I find it funny that people point at the Penguins as proof that you can’t have 3 good centers.

    They are the proof that you should have 3 good centers.

    They year that PIT won the Cup their top 3 players via TOI/gm during the regular season:

    Evgeni Malkin 22:31
    Sidney Crosby 21:56
    Jordan Staal 19:50

    Oh, maybe you can.

    Also,

    How many Cups has PIT won since they got rid of their center depth?

    Hmmmmmmmmm.

  40. Woodguy says:

    Nate780:
    Woodguy,

    Does Parayko make Shattenkirk expendable?

    Parayko AND Edmunson make Shattenkirk expendable.

    The reason is they need $$$ to sign Schwartz, Bakes and Brouwer (maybe)

    They key to getting Shattenkirk cheap is the willingness to take Berglund and his $3.7MM for this year and next off their hands.

  41. Water Fire says:

    godot10:
    All three centres are affordable during McDavid’s entry level deal.

    The centre question is a question for the summer of 2018, not for today or the near future.Nugent-Hopkins will still have duration on his contract in the summer of 2018.He will even be a better player then, and have even more trade value.Draisaitl full value also won’t be apparent till then.

    This “trade-a-centre” talk is ridiculously premature.

    Aren’t they affordable always? Centres can play wing, wing can’t play centre. What they can’t afford is nine top 6 players or six top 4 defense. As well if you aren’t overpaying bottom sixers, third pairing and back up goalies there’s more money for the talent.

    Here’s hoping Chiarelli learned his lesson regarding that.

  42. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: Parayko AND Edmunson make Shattenkirk expendable.

    The reason is they need $$$ to sign Schwartz, Bakes and Brouwer (maybe)

    They key to getting Shattenkirk cheap is the willingness to take Berglund and his $3.7MM for this year and next off their hands.

    They’ll find a buyer for Bouwmeester, I expect.

  43. PaperDesigner says:

    Unless a NHL GM is delusional enough to move out a top pairing defenceman for Schultz and Yakupov, I think we are looking at, for the most part, most of the roster that will be contending.

    I think what is needed is one more free agent or cap dump defenceman, and the cap to rise to accommodate Hall, Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins, Draisaitl, McDavid, Nurse, Klefbom, Sekera and their relatively pricey contracts.

    I can imagine this team being good in a couple of years, but adding Byfuglien might be needed to tip this team into competitive territory.

  44. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Woodguy:
    Bank Shot,

    If Nashville came over and offered Josi for Nuge/Drai for example that’s a trade you might have to make.

    Oilers really need a RHS, not another LHS.

    Due respect but I wouldn’t kick Scarlett Johansson out of bed for eating crackers, nor would I turn down a Roman Josi for shooting left. Somewhere in that group is a guy or two who could handle his off side.

  45. Johnny says:

    The top three scoring defenseman in the league (Klingberg, Karleson, Subban) represent the #1, #2 and (tied for) #5 scoring teams in the league. Offence from the back end is huge and this Klingberg fellow is scary. Zubov type scary.

    I agree that it is ridiculous to think about trading a centre. Depth down the middle is huge, and we really don’t have much coming behind what we’ve already got.

    I think Chia will be able to piece together a decent D based on what we have now. If it takes an Eberle to upgrade the blueline, I do it.

    Gotta love what Klefbom and Draisaitl are doing!

  46. Woodguy says:

    What do these teams have in common?

    PIT, CHI, BOS, DET, LAK?

    They have won the last 8 Stanley Cups.

    They also all had 50% of the cap tied up 5 players.

    50% of cap is currently $71.3MM

    My guess is that it goes to about $69MM next year.

    50% of $69 is $34.5

    Top 5 expensive contracts next 2 years: (currently on the books)

    Hall $6MM
    Nuge $6MM
    Eberle $6MM
    Sekera $5.5MM
    Pouliot $4MM

    $27.5MM

    Not even close to capping out on core players.

    When McEverything needs to get paid Eberle is in the last year of his contract, Hall has 2 years left and RNH has 3 years left and the cap is probably close to $80MM (depending on the C$)

    There is no cap reason to trade any core players.

    None.

  47. Woodguy says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Due respect but I wouldn’t kick Scarlett Johansson out of bed for eating crackers, nor would I turn down a Roman Josi for shooting left. Somewhere in that group is a guy or two who could handle his off side.

    I wouldn’t trade RNH for Josi.

    Not with Nurse and Klefbom on the roster.

    You are losing too much in one area and not adding something you are dearly missing.

    I know NHLers can play both sides but there is no way the are as effective on their backhand.

    Not in their own zone and not in the ozone either imo.

  48. Bank Shot says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Due respect but I wouldn’t kick Scarlett Johansson out of bed for eating crackers, nor would I turn down a Roman Josi for shooting left. Somewhere in that group is a guy or two who could handle his off side.

    No kidding. That’s like saying Nashville wouldn’t want RNH because he isn’t good enough on faceoffs.

    When the Oilers made the finals they used two eighties together for big stretches of the season in Smith-Staios. They also played two lefties. Beregon-Pronger, and Spacek-Pronger.

    I think too much is made out of left hand versus right hand shot. Its probably the least important factor outside of size one should consider when evaluating a players fit on a team.

  49. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Btw NaturalStatTrick numbers are now up.

    Hall-Draisaitl-Purcell leading forwards with a Corsi of +5 despite being the only 3 players on the team with <10:00 EV TOI. (< 8:00 for Leon & Teddy). Davidson top d-man also at +5.

  50. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: They’ll find a buyer for Bouwmeester, I expect.

    At $5.4 he’s not going anywhere.

    Shattenkirk goes first and Gunnarsson is a UFA this year.

  51. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy:
    I find it funny that people point at the Penguins as proof that you can’t have 3 good centers.

    They are the proof that you should have 3 good centers.

    They year that PIT won the Cup their top 3 players via TOI/gm during the regular season:

    Evgeni Malkin22:31
    Sidney Crosby21:56
    Jordan Staal19:50

    Oh, maybe you can.

    Also,

    How many Cups has PIT won since they got rid of their center depth?

    Hmmmmmmmmm.

    Chicago with Toews and 3 pieces of mud for center depth say “hi”

    Lol.

    For those saying you need a number 1 stud D man to win the cup
    the Pens of 09 say “hi” ( a Canucks team with no real number 1 D man almost won the cup as well, so the don’t say “hi”, but they do wave)

    Our future top 4 D core of Klefbom, Nurse, Sekara is missing 1 guy to be formidable.

    This Oilers team can compete for the cup with those 3 centers in the near future.

  52. Caramel Obvious says:

    Bank Shot:
    The trade a centre talk is never premature.

    I don’t want to give up one of Darisaitl or Nuge either but you aren’t going to get anything good in return dangling Yakupov or Schultz. Yak can’t even stay consistently in the top six of a last place team for crying out loud.

    If Nashville came over and offered Josi for Nuge/Drai for example that’s a trade you might have to make.

    In that case it makes sense and I think that’s the type of trade people are thinking about when they say dangle Nuge. Its not trade Nuge for depth. If they trade a center for an equal D-man I’m OK with it.

    This is why trading RNH is a terrible idea. If RNH gets you back Josi, you turn around and never trade him. Ever.

    The cap isn’t a reason to trade him. That’s ridiculous. The cap is a reason to trade Brandon Saad. If RNH is your third center (not a real position) then your team is good. That’s all that means.

  53. Pouzar says:

    blainer: Really expecting Poo Nuge and Ebs to get going. Nuge’s flu Ebs injury have slowed that line a bit. They are close.

    This.

    I may have to check out of this one. Jezzuz Mary and Joseph people.

  54. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Woodguy: I wouldn’t trade RNH for Josi.

    Not with Nurse and Klefbom on the roster.

    You are losing too much in one area and not adding something you are dearly missing.

    I know NHLers can play both sides but there is no way the are as effective on their backhand.

    Not in their own zone and not in the ozone either imo.

    I wouldnt trade RNH for Josi either, but that wouldnt be the reason why.

    I honestly dont see handedness as that big a deal. look at Giordano-Brodie for a nearby example of two lefties who are just fine together.

    But my bias in this respect goes way back. I sat in Oilers right defensive corner for 2 periods a game for 15 years & watched all of Charlie Huddy, Randy Gregg & Craig Muni excel on right defence, winning 13 Cup rings among them. Yes another era but there have always been more lefties than righties and there have always been guys who could make the switch. As problems go, it’s a mole hill, not a mountain.

  55. Lowetide says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Due respect but I wouldn’t kick Scarlett Johansson out of bed for eating crackers, nor would I turn down a Roman Josi for shooting left. Somewhere in that group is a guy or two who could handle his off side.

    WHEN in the history of the Oilers have they successfully had left handed players on the right side? HUH? Seriously. 🙂

  56. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: At $5.4 he’s not going anywhere.

    Shattenkirk goes first and Gunnarsson is a UFA this year.

    I appreciate your confidence, but will re-submit my opinion.

  57. Lowetide says:

    Dammit. Should have read the entire thread, now my post to Bruce looks like piling on.

  58. Bruce McCurdy says:

    borisnikov:
    Is the box score item a message from the league and SAP to bloggers and former bloggers to stop criticizing? Travis Yost really laid the verbal smack down this week.

    Natural Stat Trick @NatStatTrick
    No report for the Devils – Oilers game for the foreseeable future. NHL isn’t posting their reports past the box score yet.
    7:10 AM – 21 Nov 2015Retweets likes

    What did Yost have to say? i must have missed that one.

  59. BrazilianOil says:

    Thinking about unicorns, do you think A.Semin would be a good adittion ?

    Pou- RNH-Eberle
    Hall- Drai-Semin
    Sleppy- McD- Yak

    18m EVS each line.

  60. Магия 10 says:

    SwedishPoster: I’d say the play is to send Reinhart down and have him work on skating and gain some offensive confidence. The only reason not to would be if Chia is contemplating trading him as a demotion would likely kill his value.

    Or they could just play him without Gryba and see if his current numbers away from Gryba scale up with a larger sample. Pairing up a prototypical RickiBoxProtector with a good zone exit D? ’bout time.

  61. Pouzar says:

    crimson20:
    Been a reader for years, but had to create an account because I felt compelled to speak on Rishaug’s comments.

    I’m not sure if it’s something in the Edmonton water, but we seem averse, dare I say even allergic, to have any sort of depth. We have spent the better part of a decade trying to generate quality centre depth (after dismantling it overnight), only to start thinking we’ll “probably be fine” with two young ones down the middle?

    RNH has been a rock in all zones, all situations, is at a BARGAIN price for a #1 center, and to CONSIDER trading him would be absolutely asinine. To me, those comments are more troubling than last night’s win. I really hope Rishaug was just spit-balling.

    Thanks for listening.

    Heckuva first post.

    Stop the lunacy.

    The D is already miles ahead of where it was despite the constant ramblings of some.
    What doesn’t get enough play here is the state of our goalering. Let’s fixate on that before trading our most complete player (McDavid notwithstanding) for the fictitious #1D.

    Center Depth is a thing.

    Oh and we have the fix for our goalering btw. His name is Laurent Brossoit and I think he’s German b/c he’s efficient as f^ck. Have I mentioned him before?

  62. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Lowetide:
    Dammit. Should have read the entire thread, now my post to Bruce looks like piling on.

    Hey at least I admitted it was “my bias”.

  63. Woodguy says:

    Bank Shot,

    I think too much is made out of left hand versus right hand shot. Its probably the least important factor outside of size one should consider when evaluating a players fit on a team.

    I don’t think enough is made out of it.

    Top pair for last 8 Cup winners:

    CHI: Keith – Seabrook

    LAK: Muzzin – Doughty

    CHI: Keith – Seakbrook

    LAK: Scuderi- Doughty

    BOS: Chara – Boychuck

    CHI: Keith – Seabrook

    PIT : Gonchar – Orpik (both Lefty)

    DET: Lidstrom – Rafalski

    Let us also not forget that even when they could pick any Dmen they wanted among the best, that the Canadian Olympic team went L-R for all 3 pairs because the coaches wanted it that way.

    Its optimal.

    Not crucial, but optimal.

    If you are trading a very good player to get a very good player you want the fit to be optimal.

  64. Bruce McCurdy says:

    BrazilianOil:
    Thinking about unicorns, do you think A.Semin would be a good adittion ?

    Pou- RNH-Eberle
    Hall- Drai-Semin
    Sleppy- McD- Yak

    18m EVS each line.

    Purcell is on fire. let’s dump him for Semin!!

  65. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: WHEN in the history of the Oilers have they successfully had left handed players on the right side? HUH? Seriously.

    Sure, 30 years ago with Gretzky and Messier as 1/2 C’s.

    Got anything more recent without 2 of the top 5 all time NHL players up front?

  66. Frank the dog says:

    With 3 lines consisting of Hall-Drai-Purcell, Poo-Nuge-Ebs and -CMD-Yak, I wonder whether each line would be the top scorer on any given night, or would one dominate the scoring and the other two fight over 2nd most points?
    If Poo and Purcell play W on the other 2, who do you think would be likely to perform best on CMD’s LW?

  67. Lowetide says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Purcell is on fire. let’s dump him for Semin!!

    lol. Purcell’s played well enough for me to cobble together the beginnings of a post suggesting they re-sign him. I imagine Willis will have it up before I finish this sentence. 🙂

  68. Woodguy says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    But my bias in this respect goes way back. I sat in Oilers right defensive corner for 2 periods a game for 15 years & watched all of Charlie Huddy, Randy Gregg & Craig Muni excel on right defence, winning 13 Cup rings among them. Yes anoth era but there have always been more lefties than righties and there have always been guys who could make the switch. As problems go, it’s a mole hill, not a mountain.

    With the speed of today’s game and the need for very quick passes by the Dmen along the boards I disagree.

    Its a different game now, especially in the dzone.

  69. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: Sure, 30 years ago with Gretzky and Messier as 1/2 C’s.

    Got anything more recent without 2 of the top 5 all time NHL players up front?

    I’m not sure why you’re coming out with elbows high on this, it’s an age old argument that I don’t buy. LOTS of coaches do believe it, and they’re the experts. I’m like Bruce I guess, seems to me a strange hill to die on.

  70. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Woodguy,

    ANA: Niedermeyer, Pronger, Beauchemin. All lefties, all played 30 minutes a night in 2007. I guess the Pronger trade wasnt quite an optimal fit but they made do. :/

  71. G Money says:

    As noted, NHL finally got its shot together. Heh heh.

    NerdAlert shot data up: https://oilersnerdalert.wordpress.com/2015/11/21/g20-2015-11-20-oilers-vs-devils-shot-and-distance-data/

    Things of interest to check out: the Corsi chart and trend for season to date, and the rink maps and DFA/60 for the defensive pairings.

  72. Lowetide says:

    Watching that Leon goal last night and it’s amazing. He’s done it before, but that 10 second gif is poetry. Big, fast train coming down the tracks with a giant brain and a paddle made from a 600-year old Douglas fir. Strike that. His paddle IS a Douglas fir. We should call his sticks Sir Douglas Fir.

  73. Pouzar says:

    How’s this…..we need a bona fide pucking moving Dman.
    Sorry. That’s not Schultz either.
    Spurgeon and Nurse pairing? Oh my!

    I know….Nuge for Spurgeon!

  74. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: I’m not sure why you’re coming out with elbows high on this, it’s an age old argument that I don’t buy. LOTS of coaches do believe it, and they’re the experts. I’m like Bruce I guess, seems to me a strange hill to die on.

    I’m not dying on any hill.

    Elbows aren’t high either.

    If you are going to argue something about effectiveness in the NHL I’d just expect more recent examples.

  75. Woodguy says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Woodguy,

    ANA: Niedermeyer, Prong, Beauchemin. All lefties, all played 30 minutes a night in 2007. I guess the Pronger trade wasnt quite an optimal fit but they made do. :/

    Sure, give me two hall of famers like Pronger and Neids and they can shoot whatever way they want.

  76. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: I’m not dying on any hill.

    Elbows aren’t high either.

    If you are going to argue something about effectiveness in the NHL I’d just expect more recent examples.

    I’m surprised you haven’t seen any. Hjalmarsson has been playing alongside a lefty for some time.

    http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=916&withagainst=true&season=2012-16&sit=5v5

  77. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy,

    Where’s the love for

    Wesley/Ward??????

    *runs away*

  78. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    I’ve seen this all over the place, too. Ten games of strong play by Drai and Nuge is expendable? Puh-lease.

    McLellan talks pairings well…
    Hall-Drai
    Nuge-Eberle
    McDavid-Yak

    Why on Earth would you give that up for anything short of a franchise changing D man coming up?

    Stay the course. Trade from strength, not from weakness. The Oilers are turning the corner as we speak. And then when the Kid returns after Christmas, look out.

    This team will put a fright into the good teams (see Blackhawks for exhibit A).

    At the draft I’d move a mid-first and the rights to Schultz for Hamonic and a 2nd. Let Snow trade from weakness instead.

    Klef, Sekera, Nurse, Hamonic, Reinhart makes for a nice blend of skill and grit.

    And then look out.

  79. fifthcartel says:

    I was a little concerned I saw that Rishaug clip about Draisaitl’s emergrence and RNH, but then I thought, wait, didn’t Chiarelli have a center depth of Bergeron/Savard/Krejci during his time in Boston before Savard got injured? I don’t think any of them played wing if I’m not mistaken.

    He also had Bergeron/Krejci/Seguin, but Seguin played mostly RW and then he traded the wrong center instead of having Bergeron and Seguin for 11 millilon.

    But wow, Draisaitl looks like a completely different player but part of me wonder how much of this is real with the shooting percentage and all. Even with a normal shooting percentage he’s still a point per game, and take away some lucky assists (just for arguments sake) and a 60ish point pace would still be incredible.

    I’m not sure if anyones ran the numbers to see how much of this is sustainable but that’s my thinking with this crazy start.

  80. Adam Wu says:

    There is more than one way to build a winning team. There is almost ALWAYS more than one way to optimally do anything of reasonable complexity in this universe.

    It is usually wiser to find he way that is closest to what you already have rather than force yourself down another path just because someone else, whose starting conditions are not identical to yours, succeeded recently in doing it that way. This is what the old Oilers brass tried to do with all their Pronger hunting, This is what Eakins and MacT tried to do to Yak.

    And generational players change paradigms. We have a generational player. We should be open to the possibility that at least some established wisdoms applying to other teams will not necessarily apply to a team with Conner McDavid in his prime on the roster.

  81. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: I’m surprised you haven’t seen any. Hjalmarsson has been playing alongside a lefty for some time.

    http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=916&withagainst=true&season=2012-16&sit=5v5

    There are certainly examples of 2nd pairings where it can work.

    Seabrook-Keith have been 1-2 in TOI/gm for CHI in all 3 of their Cups.

    I thought the discussion was “getting the Oilers a 1RD – who and how to acquire”

    That why I only listed top pairings from Cup teams and not all 3 pairings.

    I know you can run two lefties, but I don’t see it nearly as good as L-R unless the guy playing his off wing is very, very good and/or they aren’t your dominate TOI/gm pair.

    I think running Sekera-Nurse is the optimal top pair on this team as the roster is constructed as they are both lefties.

  82. Pouzar says:

    fifthcartel,

    “Center David Krejci has recently been called on to play wing in key late-game situations to protect leads.”

    It’s versatility. Like it was said earlier, Centers can play wing and not vice-versa.
    No reason to move a C.

  83. GCW_69 says:

    oilswell: You know what else would be something? Sending Pronger onto the ice for literally half the game and every dangerous situation.
    If the Oilers have 3 incredibly valuable centres which you can turn one into an incredibly valuable D, I’m suggesting that’s something to consider.
    And worth talking about without attacking the discussants and implying even the thought is utterly foolish.

    This!

    At some point the price must be paid to get an anchor for this defence. If that’s Nuge or my favorite oiler Eberle, so be it.

  84. Nate780 says:

    fifthcartel,

    The trading of Seguin came from higher ups. The whole organization made that decision, that’s not on Chia IMO, and in the opinion of many Boston fans I’ve spoken with.

  85. stephen sheps says:

    ok… so most of the people talking about cap crunches and centre depth are talking about the McWonderful contract and what he’ll be getting coming out of his ELC… however…

    Drais can technically be extended as of this summer and if he keeps playing like this (or even something reasonably close to this but slightly more statistically sustainable), isn’t he going to cost some pretty serious money, too?

    Between the next deal for 29 and the fact that both McDavid and Nurse have their elc’s come off the books at the same time, there may actually be a cashflow vis-a-vis cap problem.

    I don’t want to consider trading any of them and I’m sure Chia will get creative in order to keep RNH, McDavid and Draisaitl – thank the gords for that reasonable deal for Klefbom – but lets not kid ourselves into believing it’s going to be easy. Someone good is going to be sent away in the next two seasons as the cheap(ish) labour window starts to close, but if all goes well, it will be trading from a position of strength rather than desperation (which has been said a lot lately). At present, an OIlers team that’s fun but still DFL isn’t exactly viewed as strong – all 29 other GMs know what this team needs. Patience and the right kind of deal will happen.

    That said, If I were a betting man (and I’m not, sorry Woodguy), I’d likely wager that Eberle is the one to go in order to ensure that all 3 centres fit, especially if Drais starts playing the Pavelski role.

  86. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Lowetide:
    Watching that Leon goal last night and it’s amazing. He’s done it before, but that 10 second gif is poetry. Big, fast train coming down the tracks with a giant brain and a paddle made from a 600-year old Douglas fir. Strike that. His paddle IS a Douglas fir. We should call his sticks Sir Douglas Fir.

    I was sitting behind the New Jersey net & Leon was a fast train coming, i can tell you. He was zooming through the neutral zone already & after he dished off to Hall he pumped the pistons about four more times & just burned past Larsson. I was in the process of saying to my seatmate “Holy shit! look at Leon go!!” when the puck was in the net & we were on our feet. Electrifying.

    Incredible pass by Hall helped too.

  87. Woodguy says:

    Pouzar:
    Woodguy,

    Where’s the love for

    Wesley/Ward??????

    *runs away*

    *spits*

  88. Gerta Rauss says:

    Frank the dog: BTW LT there is something wonky with this site. Often cant post, often can only log in at the second or third try.

    What OS/browser are you using..?..android phone/chrome..?…iPhone/safari..?…Windows 7/8/10/internet explorer..?

  89. GCW_69 says:

    Three way deal :

    To Edmonton: Hamonic, Barbashev or Berglund

    To St. Louis: Eberle, Schultz

    To Islanders: Shatenkirk

  90. Bruce McCurdy says:

    GCW_69: This!

    At some point the price must be paid to get an anchor for this defence.If that’s Nuge or my favorite oiler Eberle, so be it.

    the price “must” be paid. Maybe that price has already been paid in the form of draft picks. Klefbom & Nurse are both looking like potential anchors on the blue.

  91. speeds says:

    Lots of good posts in this thread, a fun one to read.

    There aren’t a lot of players worth RNH in a trade, IMO. I’m not sure if Josi is, but a guy signed until 2020 is at least conceivably under contract long enough, and cheap enough, to contemplate it.

    How many D in the league are:

    (a) available
    (b) young enough
    (c) under contract long enough
    (d) good enough

    to be worth trading RNH instead of simply keeping the 3 guys you already know and fit well?

  92. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide,

    I’m not sure why you’re coming out with elbows high on this

    Upon re-reading what I wrote it’s more like a slash on the ankle than an elbow.

    But if I’m like Doan and good to the MSM and go to church it shouldn’t be mentioned that I’m a prick.

  93. McSorley33 says:

    The mere suggestion of the possibility of trading a C for a D gets some people really, really worked up.

    I think we need to keep an open mind.

    Players are assets. Period.

    Can we remove BoP from the stake an put out the fire?

    Clearly, he is not the only one thinking about trading a C for a D.

  94. Woodguy says:

    GCW_69:
    Three way deal :

    To Edmonton: Hamonic, Barbashev

    To St. Louis: Eberle, Schultz

    To Islanders: Shatenkirk

    STL has problems fitting guys they have under the cap.

    Eberle at $6MM and Schultz at $4MM are the opposite of what they would want.

  95. Pouzar says:

    GCW_69:
    Three way deal :

    To Edmonton: Hamonic, Barbashev

    To St. Louis: Eberle, Schultz

    To Islanders: Shatenkirk

    There are lots of 3 way deals that would work for the rumored teams but that would require NHL GMs to fire a f^ckin synapse or three.

  96. Sugar Reijo says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Woodguy,

    ANA: Niedermeyer, Pronger, Beauchemin. All lefties, all played 30 minutes a night in 2007. I guess the Pronger trade wasnt quite an optimal fit but they made do. :/

    Chara was paired with Seidenberg (both lefties) on their cup run.

    Keith paired with Hjalmarsson (both lefties) last year.

  97. fifthcartel says:

    Pouzar,

    Exactly, especially with a head coach here that seemed to rotate centers on and off the wing a bunch in San Jose.

    Nate780,

    I think so too and I wonder how unhappy he was with higher ups having power over him in Boston, which is why he wanted full control here.

    Also, interesting talk about Parayko and St. Louis. I was reading Spector’s West Coast Bias article and he had something about Hamonic:

    “A quick thought on Travis Hamonic. Remember, the story of his trade request just came out this week via Elliotte Friedman. But New York Islanders GM Garth Snow and all of his possible trading partners have been working this deal since the summertime when Hamonic first made his trade request.

    We’re all talking about the deal now, but the fact they’ve been talking for perhaps as long as three months tells me two things: Snow does not feel rushed to make a deal; and, his asking price is high enough that nobody has bit on the deal for a consensus No. 2 defenceman.

    It’s complicated, with Snow said to be seeking as much defenceman in return as what he’s trading away. Why would Winnipeg trade a Jacob Trouba, or Vancouver a Chris Tanev, for a player who may or may not be better? Calgary wouldn’t trade TJ Brodie, who is more valuable, just as Edmonton wouldn’t swap Darnell Nurse or Oscar Klefbom — two defencemen who are less valuable today as still-unknown commodities — for Hamonic.

    Perhaps a third team is needed in the equation, one that can part with a defenceman to appease Snow, while taking forwards back. St. Louis…?”

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/west-coast-bias-how-to-tackle-the-goalie-equipment-problem/

    It’s really interesting he mentions St. Louis as a third team because this is exactly what Stauffer mentioned on Oilers Now yesterday when Friedman was on, and Spector is on Stauffer’s show every Tuesday so I wonder if there’s anything to this.

    Friedman did mention if Edmonton were to get it done it would probably require another team, I’m very curious to see if Chiarelli is getting really creative to acquire Hamonic.

  98. Dr. Taboggan says:

    We should trade CMD for Doughty + 2nd, RNH for Josi, and Drai for OEL. Not sure how the LH/RH works out but then we would finally have a formidable D. Centre depth dips quite a bit but with Letestu’s scoring streak recently and Lander being visually better this past game I think it is time we make some bold moves.

  99. Pouzar says:

    I find it funny those advocating trading a Center are missing the fact we are DOWN a Center.

    Depth is a thing. Centers can play wing. <– Didn't try that btw.

  100. GCW_69 says:

    Woodguy: STL has problems fitting guys they have under the cap.

    Eberle at $6MM and Schultz at $4MM are the opposite of what they would want.

    Take Berglund’s contract as well. Or put Reinhart in Schultz’s spot.

  101. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Woodguy:
    Lowetide,

    I’m not sure why you’re coming out with elbows high on this

    Upon re-reading what I wrote it’s more like a slash on the ankle than an elbow.

    But if I’m like Doan and good to the MSM and go to church it shouldn’t be mentioned that I’m a prick.

    Haha. If being good to the MSM is a prerequisite we’re probably all going to hell.

  102. Pouzar says:

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 10m10 minutes ago
    #Oilers assign Andrew Miller to the @Condors.

  103. Pouzar says:

    Yakimov didn’t play last night…anyone know why?

  104. flyfish1168 says:

    Listening to comments from Ryan Rishaug it doesn’t make me believe he is an Oiler fan. He rather see us slowly deconstruct a position of strength to a weakness with one injury. If you don’t have one coming or maturing through your farm system it makes no sense to trade RNH.

  105. lynn says:

    Pouzar:
    Yakimov didn’t play last night…anyone know why?

    Injured. Out for several weeks.

  106. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Pouzar:
    Yakimov didn’t play last night…anyone know why?

    got hurt in practice the other day. I dont know the gory details though

  107. Pouzar says:

    lynn: Injured. Out for several weeks.

    Jezzuz how did I miss that?
    Not good at all for his dev.

  108. Frank the dog says:

    Gerta Rauss,

    IE11.

  109. Pouzar says:

    flyfish1168: If you don’t have one coming or maturing through your farm system it makes no sense to trade RNH.

    Another great point. There is nothing down on the farm remotely in the mold of a Top 6 C.

  110. Gerta Rauss says:

    Frank the dog,

    I only use IE for apps/software that specifically require IE

    Try installing Chrome or Firefox and run it for a week-I’d wager your frustrations are reduced dramatically

  111. Woodguy says:

    Last thing I’ll say on this.

    Every single NHL coach I’ve ever heard asked about this says “of course you’d want L-R in all your pairs but sometimes that isn’t possible”

    That’s my position on this.

    You want L-R whenever possible.

    Having your D on his forehand against the boards makes his job so, so , so much easier in the Dzone.

    Not always possible, but certainly optimal.

    Sorry if I was being a dink, but……well…….I’m a dink.

    Leopard – spots – etc.

  112. Pouzar says:

    Bob Stauffer ‏@Bob_Stauffer 53s53 seconds ago
    Justin Schultz (back) is closing in on a return to the line-up. Reinhart and Nurse on ELC’s. Nurse is playing better IMO

  113. oilswell says:

    PhrankLee: Name me one player out there comparable to CFP.
    You cant.

    I never claimed I could. I used FCP to remind people that defenders can have incredible impact and that should be kept in mind when having this discussion.

  114. oilswell says:

    Woodguy: Sure if you can get a Pronger you have to look at it.

    Great, so you agree with the principle, we’re now just haggling over the deal.

  115. lynn says:

    Pouzar: Jezzuz how did I miss that?
    Not good at all for his dev.

    I missed your impressions of the Condors’ game last night.

  116. Магия 10 says:

    Pouzar:
    Bob Stauffer ‏@Bob_Stauffer53s53 seconds ago
    Justin Schultz (back) is closing in on a return to the line-up. Reinhart and Nurse on ELC’s. Nurse is playing better IMO

    Drai was not sent down last year to save an ELC. He was sent down to save Drai’s development. Likewise the only factor for Griffin should be what’s best on the ice. Still think they want to see a bit more of Reinhart away from Gryba before making that call.

  117. oilswell says:

    frjohnk: For those saying you need a number 1 stud D man to win the cup
    the Pens of 09 say “hi” ( a Canucks team with no real number 1 D man almost won the cup as well, so the don’t say “hi”, but they do wave)
    Our future top 4 D core of Klefbom, Nurse, Sekara is missing 1 guy to be formidable.
    This Oilers team can compete for the cup with those 3 centers in the near future.

    Good stuff. Before anyone accuse me of being Verdad 2.1, let me just put it out there that I have steadfastly argued that it is possible to win without a “stud #1 defender”.

  118. Armchair GM says:

    oilswell: I never claimed I could.I used FCP to remind people that defenders can have incredible impact and that should be kept in mind when having this discussion.

    Yes Hall of Fame defenders have always had an incredible impact on the success of their teams. I am all in favour of trading RNH straight up for a sure-fire Hall of Fame destined defender in his prime.

  119. J-Bo says:

    All this back and forth about trading a centre and should it even be a discussion this year is forgetting one thing…Aren’t we all just looking forward to seeing the unicorn play when McD returns??!!

    Hall – Drai – Purcell
    Poo – McD – Yak
    ??? – Nuge – Ebs

    The likelihood of a huge deal going down involving Nuge mid-season is ridiculously low anyways. Can’t we just be excited about having nice things? 🙂

  120. flyfish1168 says:

    Pouzar:
    Bob Stauffer ‏@Bob_Stauffer53s53 seconds ago
    Justin Schultz (back) is closing in on a return to the line-up. Reinhart and Nurse on ELC’s. Nurse is playing better IMO

    I see Teddy as a pump and dump. The question is how in hell are we going to pump and dump Justin?

  121. Armchair GM says:

    Магия 10: Drai was not sent down last year to save an ELC. He was sent down to save Drai’s development. Likewise the only factor for Griffin should be what’s best on the ice. Still think they want to see a bit more of Reinhart away from Gryba before making that call.

    IIRC sending Drai down before the 40(?) game mark extends the time until he becomes a UFA by one year. It wasn’t just a development decision to send him back to junior. While the media and fans fixate on the 9 game threshold for the ELC and the ‘slide’ provision, many GM’s think that protecting the UFA status is more important.

    In Drai’s case it appears half a year in the NHL learning about the quality of competition with half a year of dominating in the WHL was exactly the right blend for his development. People forget that had he been sent down at the beginning of the year, he would have been back in P.A. That would not have been optimal for his development. It’s only when the Oilers put the pressure on P.A. to trade Drai (trade him and get assets or keep his rights and we keep him in the Show all year and you get nothing) did a suitable landing spot open up for Drai to get the experience he needed to become successful.

  122. oliveoilers says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Incredible pass by Hall helped too.

    Everybody knows Hall can’t pass.

    He probably tried a soft dump in and it came of the D man’s skate. Trade the bum.

    😉

  123. Frank the dog says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Frank the dog,

    I only use IE for apps/software that specifically require IE

    Try installing Chrome or Firefox and run it for a week-I’d wager your frustrations are reduced dramatically

    Will do. This is on a Surface 2 which is the last of the RT’s so I’ll test this with IE11 on some of my W10 machines, and on Edge, Firefox and Chrome as well.

  124. commonfan14 says:

    Let’s absolutely trade Nuge.

    I really miss those Hall to C? discussions.

  125. Pouzar says:

    The Oilers have hit the ice for their Saturday practice at Rexall Place. Luke Gazdic, who is on IR, is present. Andrew Miller has been assigned to the AHL’s Bakersfield Condors.

    Defencemen Andrew Ference and Brandon Davidson are not on the ice. Andrej Sekera, who was ill yesterday, is back at practice.

    Line combinations:

    Hall-Draisaitl-Purcell
    Pouliot-RNH-Eberle
    Hendricks-Letestu-Yakupov
    Gazdic/Korpikoski-Lander-Pakarinen

    Defensive pairings:

    Nurse-Sekera
    Klefbom-Fayne
    Reinhart-Gryba

    Justin Schultz is rotating in.

  126. Kmart99 says:

    Woodguy:
    I find it funny that people point at the Penguins as proof that you can’t have 3 good centers.

    They are the proof that you should have 3 good centers.

    They year that PIT won the Cup their top 3 players via TOI/gm during the regular season:

    Evgeni Malkin22:31
    Sidney Crosby21:56
    Jordan Staal19:50

    Oh, maybe you can.

    Also,

    How many Cups has PIT won since they got rid of their center depth?

    Hmmmmmmmmm.

    Yup. Case closed

  127. Магия 10 says:

    Armchair GM: IIRC sending Drai down before the 40(?) game mark extends the time until he becomes a UFA by one year

    You remember almost correctly (no effect on ufa only on rfa) and that’s exactly the decision I was referring to. Of course the rule explains the exact day on the calendar. But if the decision wasn’t for the player karma comes soon enough when the players sets up rfa to bolt at ufa.

    Exactly the same for 8. If he’s sent down it better be for the player not the contract. Ya get too clever and Paul will recommend payback down the road.

  128. PrairieOil says:

    J-Bo,

    I never understand why, when he plays 1st-2nd most forward minutes in the entire league, that Nuge is often listed as the Oilers 2nd (or 3rd!) line center. Happens on sportsnet, tsn, the oilers website and the blogosphere. Can anyone clue me in?

  129. Woodguy says:

    Kmart99,

    Did you read the end of the last thread?

  130. Kmart99 says:

    TMac has put natural centers in the wing before, it’s OK to do.

    When everyone is healthy:
    Nuge-CMD-Ebs
    Hall-Drai-Purcell
    Poo-Letestu/Lander-Yak
    Hendricks-Letestu/Lander-Pakarinen

    If any of Lander, Letestu, Drai, or CMD get hurt, the. Nuge slides right back to Centre until they return.

    Wow, depth, God forbid this team ever has it.

  131. delooper says:

    The story of the season appears to be that as the Oilers shed veteran NHL d-men they become better. Or something like that.

  132. Kmart99 says:

    Yeah, Bissell Centre. $50 donation coming their way. I can post the rcpt/conf# on here if you’d like when I make the transfer. 🙂

  133. GCW_69 says:

    flyfish1168: I see Teddy as a pump and dump. The question is how in hell are we going to pump and dump Justin?

    Play him on McDavid’s wing when McDavid comes back.

  134. JDï™ says:

    Woodguy: You want L-R whenever possible.

    The quote that sticks with me is Pronger’s “The game is several times faster now than when I played…”

    Which would make the deployment of proper-sided dmen all the more important, no?

  135. stush18 says:

    Regarding LvR handed dmen, it only matters in the offensive end and for in transition. It’s easier to keep the puck in and pinch on your forehand.

    In transition, they need to see up the ice quickly. It’s not hard though, they just need to be able to get into position and pivot quick enough so that they can receive the pass on their forehand.

    Defensively, you see dmen switching back and forth in the corners.

    It’s obviously preferable to have lefties and righties but it’s not insurmountable to deal with.

  136. Kmart99 says:

    Done and done. Happy to pay it man. Happier the Oilers won last night. 🙂
    http://www.bissellcentre.org/thank-you

    Receipt# 1555-6259

  137. BONE207 says:

    DawnM:
    Remember how dismayed we all felt when we found out Nuge had the flu and wasn’t playing, the sinking feeling that came with realizing our centres were Drai, Lander, Letestu, and Miller. I have no desire to have that feeling recurring on a regular basis. No offense to the three gentlemen not named Draisaitl, but please powers that be do not put us wandering through the wasteland of no depth at centre again!

    This and that first game après Connor. I went to the game like I was going to a funeral except without all free food and liquor after when you can tell funny stories. Let’s enjoy watching these guys grow like back in the 80s. There’s no more loyalty to teams cause sports is all business and what have you done lately. Maybe the average career is still about 4 years long and then it’s time to get yourself a contract for mega millions wherever you can and hope that like hell you don’t have to end like TFCAF. I’d love to watch ’em play here for 20 years but…let’s watch them become top tier and hopefully the ones that stay bring home Stanley.

  138. G Money says:

    Kmart99,

    Someday soon I hope you and WG are betting on whether the Oilers will win the Cup in 6 vs 7 games, rather than whether the Oilers record will be trash or trashier!

  139. fifthcartel says:

    The best part about Draisaitl’s hot start is that even if he’s slows down and ends up with 40-50 points (probably likely), that’s still a massive success.

  140. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Woodguy: I’m not dying on any hill.

    Elbows aren’t high either.

    If you are going to argue something about effectiveness in the NHL I’d just expect more recent examples.

    I cited Giordano-Brodie. Is that too 2014-15 to be “recent”? 😉

  141. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Woodguy: Sure, give me two hall of famers like Pronger and Neids and they can shoot whatever way they want.

    …or a Swiss Army Knife like Frank Beauchemin, or Charlie Huddy for that matter.

  142. JDï™ says:

    Pouzar,

    I see that you got to see the Condors win with LB in the net – congrats.

    How was he?

  143. Pouzar says:

    JDï™:
    Pouzar,

    I see that you got to see the Condors win with LB in the net – congrats.

    How was he?

    Efficient. Kid doesn’t waste a move. Positionally sound and good rebound control. It was so matter of fact. He gave the shooters zilch to shoot at

  144. böök¡je says:

    Lowetide: I’m not sure why you’re coming out with elbows high on this, it’s an age old argument that I don’t buy. LOTS of coaches do believe it, and they’re the experts. I’m like Bruce I guess, seems to me a strange hill to die on.

    BARNFIGHT!!!!

    $20 on LT – old guys are tough and LT lived in a wooden box growing up.

  145. BONE207 says:

    frjohnk: Chicago with Toews and 3 pieces of mud for center depth say “hi”

    In addition to “hi”, they also say “help” cause we lost to Calgary and should have lost in Edmonton.

  146. Bruce McCurdy says:

    McSorley33: Players are assets. Period.

    Go Assets Go! I really love a group of assets I can root for.

  147. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Woodguy: Last thing I’ll say on this.

    Oops, like LT earlier I will apologize for not catching up on the thread before commenting. Please consider my last comment as Sean Avery punching a guy over the linesman’s shoulder after the scrum has already been “broken up”. Unnecessary provocation. But you’ll have to take my number & get me next time, cuz I’m out on this subject too.

  148. JDï™ says:

    Pouzar,

    Sweet!

    I guess they want to keep him on the farm until they fix the blue-line, or do they bring him up to fix the goalering?

    Oh bother…

  149. JDï™ says:

    Bruce McCurdy: I really love a group of assets I can root for.

    Just like my Bre-X shares!

  150. BONE207 says:

    fifthcartel:
    I was a little concerned I saw that Rishaug clip about Draisaitl’s emergrence and RNH, but then I thought, wait, didn’t Chiarelli have a center depth of Bergeron/Savard/Krejci during his time in Boston before Savard got injured? I don’t think any of them played wing if I’m not mistaken.

    He also had Bergeron/Krejci/Seguin, but Seguin played mostly RW and then he traded the wrong center instead of having Bergeron and Seguin for 11 millilon.

    But wow, Draisaitl looks like a completely different player but part of me wonder how much of this is real with the shooting percentage and all. Even with a normal shooting percentage he’s still a point per game, and take away some lucky assists (just for arguments sake) and a 60ish point pace would still be incredible.

    I’m not sure if anyones ran the numbers to see how much of this is sustainable but that’s my thinking with this crazy start.

    Nothing crazy about it he continues to be in the right places for a good pass/deflection or taking shots on net from inside of 3 metres. Like when I used to shoot on my little brother or sister goalies…

  151. ruotsalainen says:

    böök¡je: BARNFIGHT!!!!

    $20 on LT – old guys are tough and LT lived in a wooden box growing up.

    The discussion in this thread is already fantastic, but this made me truly chuckle.

    Thanks everyone and fuck you BÖÖK¡JE!

  152. G Money says:

    I like today’s thread. Lots of commenters have found the crucial middle ground between being dinks and being assholes.

    This thread is the ‘taint’ of all threads!

  153. Seismic Source says:

    I’d like to see both Davidson and Nurse in the line up before Gryba and Reinhart. Schultz coming back makes me worried we wont be happy with some of the D roster decisions coming up.

    I’d be willing to use our first rounder next summer paired with Schultz to get something proven. Someone we want to see in the line up on a nightly basis. What would that be assuming its a bit of an overpay on our end?

  154. bendelson says:

    böök¡je: BARNFIGHT!!!!

    $20 on LT – old guys are tough and LT lived in a wooden box growing up.

    I’ll take that action – old guys are wily and WG will surely fashion a weapon out of some loose siding on the barn.

    Woodguy: But if I’m like Doan and good to the MSM and go to church it shouldn’t be mentioned that I’m a prick.

    Great stuff, WG.

  155. blainer says:

    There is no trade involving any of our top centers. Just don’t see it. No need to trade for goaltending either as our solution is playing in the minors.

    We don’t need to trade major assets for Hamonic either.

    Stand pat and wait to see what happens. I suspect an offer for Shultz Yak and this years first has already been offered.

    Beyond that I’m telling snow to call me back if you can’t find anything better.

    Griff getting sent down will make him a better player as he is the type of guy who will not take it well.

  156. russ99 says:

    frjohnk:
    Oilers looking for a top pairing Dman?

    I think one of them has arrived.

    D men this year who have played more than 100 mins.5 on 5.

    Offensively

    He is 7th in points/60 with 1.46.

    He is tied for 60th in creating individual scoring chances with 12.

    He is tied for 65th in creating individual corsi attempts with 48.

    Defensively

    He is playing the toughest competition on the oilers back end.

    He is 59th in the league with a Corsi against/60 with a 50.43.League average is 53.39

    He is 27th in the league with a scoring chance against/60 with 21.85.league average is 25.66.

    He is 48th in the league with a high danger scoring chance against/60 with 9.1.League ave is 10.45.

    The list of D men who are top 70 offensively AND defensively in those metrics above, is only a couple of handfuls.

    Klefbom has arrived people.And at 22, he is only going to get better.

    The numbers don’t show the deficiencies in his game in our zone.

    He’s had a good year on offense but until he can defend one on one, clear the crease, physically separate the puck from the opposing forward and move the puck from behind the net, let’s not start comparing him to Doughty.

  157. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    2 wins in the next 5 are all that’s needed. Anything above that is gravy and I may have to revise up from 85points. Don’t think a trade is needed now.

  158. JDï™ says:

    G Money: This thread is the ‘taint’ of all threads!

    https://imgur.com/gallery/rHoaU

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  159. jimmers2 says:

    Bruce McCurdy: I was sitting behind the New Jersey net & Leon was a fast train coming, i can tell you. He was zooming through the neutral zone already & after he dished off to Hall he pumped the pistons about four more times & just burned past Larsson. I was in the process of saying to my seatmate “Holy shit! look at Leon go!!” when the puck was in the net & we were on our feet. Electrifying.

    Incredible pass by Hall helped too.

    That was a tremendous play all round. What a rush from LD and a sublimely placed and timed pass fro Hall.

  160. Centre of attention says:

    russ99: The numbers don’t show the deficiencies in his game in our zone.

    He’s had a good year on offense but until he can defend one on one, clear the crease, physically separate the puck from the opposing forward and move the puck from behind the net, let’s not start comparing him to Doughty.

    Do you even watch the Oilers games?
    I’ve watched Klef defend many 1-on-1 or 2-on-1 sorties, as well as strip pucks on the back check even after getting caught on a pinch in the O-zone. He skates like the wind, and can move the puck just as fast. Klef is far from the biggest defensive liability on the team.

    Any mistakes he makes in his own zone can be explained by him having less then 100 games of experience.

    Nobody said he was doughty. The other poster said he was pretty much the Oilers #1 D right now, and I would be inclined to agree. Though I think Nurse will over take him with time.

  161. BONE207 says:

    G Money:
    I like today’s thread.Lots of commenters have found the crucial middle ground between being dinks and being assholes.

    This thread is the ‘taint’ of all threads!

    Ah yes…the sweet smell of pheromones and shit. Like Robin Williams said: God is funny putting the amusement park by the dump.

  162. dangilitis says:

    Draisaitl is really fucking with the AHL-NHL equivalencies…

    Tied for 27th in the league in scoring, 11th in +/-, with 50% games played compared to other leaders.

    Rules are rules, but it seems a little ridiculous that a 24 y/o Panarin is considered a “rookie” while Draisaitl is not, because he got 37 games of experience from an AHL-coached team last year..

  163. jimmers2 says:

    bendelson: I’ll take that action – old guys are wily and WG will surely fashion a weapon out of some loose siding on the barn.

    Great stuff, WG.

    Heck, LT took vacations in a wood box. But Woodguy probably sold them the wood…

  164. lynn says:

    Pouzar: Efficient. Kid doesn’t waste a move. Positionally sound and good rebound control. It was so matter of fact. He gave the shooters zilch to shoot at

    How does Jujhar Khaira play? Is a potentential third- or fourth-line winger for the Oilers? He seems to be good defensively and on the PK.

  165. v4ance says:

    Adam Wu:
    There is more than one way to build a winning team.There is almost ALWAYS more than one way to optimally do anything of reasonable complexity in this universe.

    It is usually wiser to find he way that is closest to what you already have rather than force yourself down another path just because someone else, whose starting conditionsare not identical to yours, succeeded recently in doing it that way. This is what the old Oilers brass tried to do with all their Pronger hunting, This is what Eakins and MacT tried to do to Yak.

    And generational players change paradigms. We have a generational player. We should be open to the possibility that at least some established wisdoms applying to other teams will not necessarily apply to a team with Conner McDavid in his prime on the roster.

    Thank you. You said almost everything I was thinking.

    LA wins by being heavy and outmuscling teams all over the ice. MON wins with a great defence and Carey Price backstopping everything else. CHI wins with skill and speed.

    Edmonton can win by rolling the unicorn of three offensively dangerous lines. It WOULD be nice to improve the defence but if trades are too difficult, then we just need a competent group who can break up the cycles and then send the puck up to the forwards. If our forwards always have it in the opponents’ end, our defence won’t be doing much actual defending.

    Sometimes life gives you lemons and so you make lemonade. We got a 5 ton stocked with mangoes and strawberries dropped off at our door. Don’t make lemonade, make a delicious smoothie!

  166. frjohnk says:

    russ99: He’s had a good year on offense but until he can defend one on one, clear the crease, physically separate the puck from the opposing forward and move the puck from behind the net,

    Klefbom cant do any of those things?
    How about just one of them?
    How about just a little bit of one of them?

    You say no?

    Damn. I guess I need to renew my prescription to thicker coke bottle eye glasses. I’m almost deaf in both eyes.

    russ99: let’s not start comparing him to Doughty.

    Not sure where in my previous post I was comparing Klefbom to Doughty.

    But if use ABS/60, I’m going with Klefbom.

    BeerGut/60, and I’m going with Doughty

  167. v4ance says:

    Systems wise, I noticed a couple of the breakouts were set up with one forward on the wall, one near the faceoff dots and one in the middle of the ice. When NJ tried to cycle it, the forward on the wall helped stop the cycle or tied up the pinching defenceman. To get the puck out, the wall forward tipped /passed it to the forward near the face off dot who was providing close support in either a pass receiving or defensive role.

    If I daresay, it looked like an successful and effective defensive overload on one side of the ice or a “swarm”

    *ducks*

  168. JDï™ says:

    v4ance: *ducks*

    No – Gulls!

  169. Pouzar says:

    JDï™:
    Pouzar,

    Sweet!

    I guess they want to keep him on the farm until they fix the blue-line, or do they bring him up to fix the goalering?

    Oh bother…

    I like LB which means he will fail. I can’t have nice things.

  170. JDï™ says:

    Pouzar,

    Can you cheer for the Flames for a while then?

  171. Pouzar says:

    lynn: How does Jujhar Khaira play? Is a potentential third- or fourth-line winger for the Oilers? He seems to be good defensively and on the PK.

    I think he is definitely a good bet for a bottom 6 LW role. He plays with speed and an edge but also plays with enough structure too. He played a lot on the PK last night and looked good. Best player on the Condors by far last night.

    Like the Loiseau kid too.

    My buddy commented that Chase was a good player.

  172. lynn says:

    Pouzar,

    Thanks for your reports on the Condors. They are some of the more interesting posts.

  173. SVR says:

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklund/Hamonic-to-Oilers-via-Carolina/1/72686

    only Eklund, but interesting to discuss ideas. Any thoughts on who the Canes would want from our roster? Or would the first pick plus schultz be enough?

  174. Halfwise says:

    Because the D has started to gel during Jultz’s injury time, the right move would be to assign Jultz to Bakersfield for conditioning. It might actually be useful; for sure it would be convenient.

    Also, TFCAF to IR until his broken mojo has a chance to heal. Could take a while; it’s not something simple like a broken Connorbone.

  175. Armchair GM says:

    I have all the time in the world for Reinhart. I love to watch him defend one-on-one. Unlike Shultz, and way too many recent Oiler defenders, he completely ignores the puck. He locks his eyes on the forward’s chest and times his contact to separate the forward from the puck. It’s obviously an under-appreciated skill. It doesn’t get the fanbase swooning, but after years of watching defenders lose their underwear with too much attention to the puck and not enough to the forward, it’s nice to know Reinhart is not giving free passes to the net.

  176. go_oil says:

    I agree with this wholeheartedly – keep these six pairs as long as you can. And then you just have to find Lander someone to gel with on the 4th line (I actually like the Korpikoski-Lander- Pakarinen line, good energy, they just to get some better shots on net).

    And the needle is slowly moving in a good way with the current D.

    “Sunil Agnihotri ‏@sunilagni 57m57 minutes ago
    Oilers are now sitting at a CF% of 48.0% (adjusted). 45.9% at the end of Oct (29th in the league). And 50.9% so far in November. Progress!”

    Develop and improve the D we have. I would love to see Harmonic in Oiler’s silks, but the cost is too high right now. Wait until the summer to re-evaluate bigger fish.

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    I’ve seen this all over the place, too. Ten games of strong play by Drai and Nuge is expendable? Puh-lease.

    McLellan talks pairings well…
    Hall-Drai
    Nuge-Eberle
    McDavid-Yak

    Why on Earth would you give that up for anything short of a franchise changing D man coming up?

    Stay the course. Trade from strength, not from weakness. The Oilers are turning the corner as we speak. And then when the Kid returns after Christmas, look out.

    This team will put a fright into the good teams (see Blackhawks for exhibit A).

    At the draft I’d move a mid-first and the rights to Schultz for Hamonic and a 2nd. Let Snow trade from weakness instead.

    Klef, Sekera, Nurse, Hamonic, Reinhart makes for a nice blend of skill and grit.

    And then look out.

  177. godot10 says:

    Woodguy: Sure, 30 years ago with Gretzky and Messier as 1/2 C’s.

    Got anything more recent without 2 of the top 5 all time NHL players up front?

    The last three dynasties, Canadiens, Islanders, and OIlers, were extremely unbalanced with left shot D.

    New Jersey and Detroit in the nineties and early naughts, also.

    The Blackhawks were three lefties and Seabrook in the top four on all of their three Cups.

    If one has Savard, Lapointe, Robinson, Nyrop, I don’t care that there wasn’t a right shot amongst them.

    Skating abilitiy, mobility, and passing ability if far more important than handedness in D.

  178. spoiler says:

    Rishaug said:

    As we know, the Oilers are a team that needs help on the blue line. Should they decide to ‘rob Peter and pay Paul a little bit, and move a forward to bring in a high-end defensemen, well now the potential to move a player like Ryan Nugent-Hopkins doesn’t sound quire so ridiculous. Something they’re going to take their time and think a long time about. Draisaitl needs to show he can do it over the long haul, but his emergence gives the Edmonton Oilers brain trust options.”

    This is from Mr. Rishaug last night, and he’s right. Not now, not this season and I’d argue next as well, but at some point Edmonton is going to make a move and it might be the Nuge.

    I understand the politics of not pissing off the MSM, but this is not “right”.

    It’s not right for Rishaug to comment on the deficiencies on this team today, offer a possibility, and then dissemble by saying he was talking a couple of years down the road.

    It’s not right for us to give him this out.

    Who knows what this team’s needs will be two years from now? Who knows about injuries and development and changes to cap ceilings and all the stuff that can happen in between?

    And who proposes trading a Center before a Winger?

    There is so much wrong with Rishaug’s comment, that it is “ridiculous”.

    He is either talking about this process starting today… in which case it is incredibly premature and based on a tiny sample size of players mid-development, or he is talking about the relatively distant future, in which case it is incredibly premature and based on nothing we can know for sure.

    The only way out I can honestly give Rishaug is that he was tossing out the verbal version of click bait. Creating a tempest in a teapot to generate hits and views. That’s almost sinking to Spector’s level, I thought he was better than that.

  179. JDï™ says:

    Halfwise: the right move would be to assign Jultz to Bakersfield for conditioning.

    I wonder why this isn’t used more? Eberle for a conditioning stint would have been a good idea too.

  180. delooper says:

    RNH-Ebs, Drai-Hall, McD-Yak. Will the Oilers even need defenders with those three lines rolling?

  181. spoiler says:

    godot10: The last three dynasties, Canadiens, Islanders, and OIlers, were extremely unbalanced with left shot D.

    New Jersey and Detroit in the nineties and early naughts, also.

    The Blackhawks were three lefties and Seabrook in the top four on all of their three Cups.

    If one has Savard, Lapointe, Robinson, Nyrop, I don’t care that there wasn’t a right shot amongst them.

    Skating abilitiy, mobility, and passing ability if far more important than handedness in D.

    Systems and tactics are so much more important today that we cannot compare to those dynasties.

    A PK without a primo RHS option covering the right side can be broken down in seconds by players who know what they’re doing.

    That’s why CHI having Seabrook is so important.

  182. Adam Wu says:

    Ference to IR is so interesting, since he really is afflicted with a chronic, inexorably progressive degenerative condition for which there is no cure or treatment….

  183. Woodguy says:

    Kmart99:
    Yeah, Bissell Centre. $50 donation coming their way.I can post the rcpt/conf# on here if you’d like when I make the transfer.

    I’ll trust your word.

    You have honour.

    /Worf

  184. stush18 says:

    böök¡je: BARNFIGHT!!!!

    $20 on LT – old guys are tough and LT lived in a wooden box growing up.

    Gonna put my money on woodguy. Maidstone only ever raised wimps

  185. hunter1909 says:

    Results! Daily Hunter1909 Pick the Player with the most points and Win Contest, Game Two:

    Olive Oilers LD
    Remlap TH
    Lowetide LD?
    Hags9k TH
    Unca Miltie TH
    Hunter1909 LD

    All 6 go into the next elimination round, who decide the winner from last night’s contest.

    I don’t particularly like the thought of winning my own contest, and so might sell my share in the last 6 for the contest for a Lowetide donation.

  186. hunter1909 says:

    PS:

    if you predicted either Taylor Hall or Leon Daisraitl last night to win the contest and weren’t mentioned [please let me know. it was later when I checked the names, could have missed someone).

  187. Sugar Reijo says:

    Kmart99:
    Done and done.Happy to pay it man.Happier the Oilers won last night.
    http://www.bissellcentre.org/thank-you

    Receipt# 1555-6259

    Nicely done, gentlemen! 🙂

  188. Melman says:

    spoiler,

    Agreed. R-L is preferred but not critical. However, if you count Sekera, Nurse and Klefbom amongst the Oilers’ top 4 – now or come playoff time – you need at least 1 RHD in that group. If it’s not Schultz (and so far doesn’t seem it will be) then they need to go outside the org to find one.

  189. flyfish1168 says:

    SVR:
    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklund/Hamonic-to-Oilers-via-Carolina/1/72686

    only Eklund, but interesting to discuss ideas.Any thoughts on who the Canes would want from our roster? Or would the first pick plus schultz be enough?

    JMHO. That would be a monstrous over payment. Hamonic is good defensively, players physical and good at the defensive zone. He is everything that Justin is not in those area. Justin is a great skater with the puck, has excellent vision in the offensive zone and is good in the offensive zone. Basically everything Travis is not in the offensive zone. Both leads team in TOI as a defenseman. I see these 2 players as polar opposite of each other. Travis wants out so why on earth would anyone want to overpay and hurt yourself. Justin for Travis and no more is how I see it. Justin will flourish in the eastern conference due to less travel and weaker teams and Travis will struggle against western opposition. All this talk of Jordan for Travis is ridiculous. JMHO

  190. flyfish1168 says:

    Adam Wu:
    Ference to IR is so interesting, since he really is afflicted with a chronic, inexorably progressive degenerative condition for which there is no cure or treatment….

    retirement is a cure

  191. godot10 says:

    Halfwise:
    Because the D has started to gel during Jultz’s injury time, the right move would be to assign Jultz to Bakersfield for conditioning. It might actually be useful; for sure it would be convenient.

    Also, TFCAF to IR until his broken mojo has a chance to heal. Could take a while; it’s not something simple like a broken Connorbone.

    A player on a conditioning stint is also on the 23-man roster. Schultz coming off IR means somebody has to be sent down or put on IR.

  192. Woodguy says:

    Kmart99:
    Done and done.Happy to pay it man.Happier the Oilers won last night.
    http://www.bissellcentre.org/thank-you

    Receipt# 1555-6259

    *strong man style clapping*

  193. Sugar Reijo says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Oops, like LT earlier I will apologize for not catching up on the thread before commenting. Please consider my last comment as Sean Avery punching a guy over the linesman’s shoulder after the scrum has already been “broken up”.

    See, I imagined it going down more like this: https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/brodeur.gif?w=1000

    But then again that’s how I always picture things like this going down on the Internet.

  194. Bootstrap Effexor says:

    BONE207: amuse

    I thought that ringer was Twain cribbing Wilde (oral retelling only) after picking it up via the newfangled Mo Gore—though perhaps Wilde’s version (among confidants) was “put the amusement park by the clump”.

    * According to one Charles “CC” Gore, “my father [Mounce Gore, 1810–1849] invented the telegraph” though it was widely regarded as unclear at the time and has remained unclear ever since exactly how Mounce’s youthful invention leaked all the way to Baron Pavel Schilling in far-off yonder frigid St Petersburg.

    A succession of gossipy seamen suspected.

  195. Gordies Elbow says:

    Armchair GM,

    “I have all the time in the world for Reinhart.” – me too. Watching him one on one against Hossa was encouraging. Textbook play.

    Last night, he pinned Palmeri to the boards, hard. He’s such a strong guy, you’d have thought that Palmeri would be tattooed with the board advertising. The look on Palmeri’s face was somewhere between anger and shock.

    Due to contracts, I see him headed to Bakersfield, which wouldn’t be the worst thing for him.

  196. Caramel Obvious says:

    Armchair GM: I have all the time in the world for Reinhart. I love to watch him defend one-on-one. Unlike Shultz, and way too many recent Oiler defenders, he completely ignores the puck. He locks his eyes on the forward’s chest and times his contact to separate the forward from the puck. It’s obviously an under-appreciated skill. It doesn’t get the fanbase swooning, but after years of watching defenders lose their underwear with too much attention to the puck and not enough to the forward, it’s nice to know Reinhart is not giving free passes to the net.

    If only that was true. He’s bad at exactly these things. His supposed strength is actually a weakness.

  197. Caramel Obvious says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    Armchair GM,

    “I have all the time in the world for Reinhart.” – me too. Watching him one on one against Hossa was encouraging. Textbook play.

    Last night, he pinned Palmeri to the boards, hard. He’s such a strong guy, you’d have thought that Palmeri would be tattooed with the board advertising. The look on Palmeri’s face was somewhere between anger and shock.

    Due to contracts, I see him headed to Bakersfield, which wouldn’t be the worst thing for him.

    Was that before or after Palmieri went wide on Reinhart and cut in like he was a beer league player.

    He’s youngish so maybe he’ll turn into something serviceable but right now he’s not an NHL quality hockey player.

  198. Halfwise says:

    godot10: A player on a conditioning stint is also on the 23-man roster. Schultz coming off IR means somebody has to be sent down or put on IR

    Well dang.

    Thanks for the info. Facts can ruin a guy’s whole day, though.

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