OILERS NO. 15 PROSPECT (winter 2015): ZIYAT PAIGIN

by Lowetide

One of the encouraging developments in amateur procurement in the last few years involves adding kids from Russia. Edmonton avoided the area like the plague for a long time, but after the Nail Yakupov selection in 2012, four men (Daniil Zharkov, Bogdan Yakimov, Anton Slepyshev and Ziyat Paigan) have been added to the team.

Paigan was a fascinating selection because of his potential and his late selection. A home run swing that late is the kind of thing many fans have been screaming for, and has been more prevalent since Craig MacTavish returned to the fold. How good is Paigan? Early and encouraging days.

PREVIOUSLY NO. 15 ON THE WINTER LIST

  • December 2004: R Troy Bodie (159) (GM: Kevin Lowe) 
  • December 2005: R Colin McDonald (145) (GM: Kevin Lowe) 
  • December 2006: D Jeff Petry (344) (GM: Kevin Lowe) 
  • December 2007: R Colin McDonald (145) (GM: Kevin Lowe) 
  • December 2008: G Devan Dubnyk (254) (GM: Kevin Lowe) 
  • December 2009: D Alex Plante (10) (GM: Kevin Lowe)
  • December 2010: G Olivier Roy (0) (GM: Steve Tambellini)
  • December 2011: D Brandon Davidson (31) (GM: Steve Tambellini)
  • December 2012: D Joey Laleggia (0) (GM: Steve Tambellini)
  • December 2013: R Tyler Pitlick (27) (GM: Steve Tambellini)
  • December 2014: D William Lagesson (0) (GM: Craig MacTavish)

Lots of stories here from the Kevin Lowe era, including Troy Bodie. He is one of the most unusual success stories of the century from the Oilers draft table, successful outside the organization (Anaheim, then Toronto). Devan Dubnyk and Jeff Petry were good prospects but appeared at No.15 during a time when they were either too new to really evaluate (Petry, a few months after his draft) or where progress seemed to be very slow (Dubnyk, Colin McDonald also falls in that category).

Recent seasons have been less substantial, but even with that Brandon Davidson appears to be emerging as we speak. The lesson here is ‘wait five years’ and that is something we have discussed many times.

paigin svoboda

WHAT THEY SAID ON DRAFT DAY

  • The Black Book: His play at the tournament has confimed his upside as well as the need for further development. He is still a bit of a project, on some games he shows flashes of good puck moving ability for such a tall defenseman, in others he struggles with easy plays.He may still be able to improve on some things training with pro, like on the accuracy of his powerful slap shot, but his game needs to evolve rather than a finishing touch.
  • ISS: “Like this player. Stay at home d-men that keeps his game simple and boxes out well. PK work was strong all tournament, willing to block shots. Big bodied physical defender with a long reach and good skating ability. Knows his limitations and doesn’t try to do too much. Strong performance at WJC helped move him into our rankings for 2015 NHL draft”.
  • Craig Button ranked him No. 86 in the 2015 draft.

PREVIOUS RANKINGS

  • Summer 2015: No. 21
  • Winter 2015: No. 15

This is far too early for Paigin to be this high, but the numbers suggest we are dealing with a very good hockey player. His NHLE via Rob Vollman puts him at 82gp, 8-22-30, and the KHL is a strong league. His trade to Sochi appears to have unlocked the potential implied in the scouting reports we read on draft day. He is playing almost 15 minutes a night currently and getting power-play time. A very good story. He is playing with former Oilers defender Alexei Semenov in Sochi.

2015-16

  • Swedish Poster: He sticks out right away with how tall and lanky. Looked real skinny though part of it might be Sochi’s gear they were wearing an all black gear and every player looked pretty slim. However despite his size he’s surprisingly agile, I had a similar reaction as I had when getting my first real viewing of Nurse where you marvel over how agile he is at that size, he’s not nearly as explosive as Nurse but a real smooth skater.
  • More Swedish Poster: He showed off some serious hands as well, something I didn’t expect at all considering his junior numbers. Could ofc be Andy Sutton moments as well and not a regular thing but he pulled off the Mats Sundin style extralong dangle with his giant reach. He also has a solid shot. A couple of dodgy moments when trying too much with the first pass but generally moved the puck well.
  • Final Swedish Poster: Defensively he was in good position and showed off a good stick. Crazy reach. Not very physical, still very much a teenage body, has that uncoordinated flimsiness you see in lanky teenage boys, but he seems unafraid at least.

THE FUTURE

Paigin is the sixth defenseman among the top 15, and the fifth left-handed blue (Nurse, Reinhart, Davidson, Jones, Paigin). Edmonton spent much of the Stu MacGregor fretting over a lack of quality defensive prospects, but that concern in 2010+ made turn this area into a strength in the future.

Paigin turns 21 in February (he is four days younger than Darnell Nurse, who was drafted two years earlier). Based on his play in the KHL, I think we could see some kind of aggressive move, either a trade or signing, in the next few months (depending on his contract status). Edmonton has a very long list of RFA defensemen (Justin Schultz, Brandon Davidson, Martin Gernat, Jordan Oesterle, David Musil) as well as UFAs Eric Gryba and Brad Hunt, so we could see a tremendous turnover this spring and summer.

Peter Chiarelli was the GM on Paigin’s draft day, so he would certainly know the player and be familiar with his skill set.

 

  • 6.06, 210
  • 26, 3-9-12 42SOG
  • 12:41 TOI/game

 

THE 2015 DRAFT

  • Connor McDavid, No. 1 overall. Incredible talent took about four games to kick out the jams. He is still recovering from injury, Oilers fans anxious for his return. No. 1 prospect, Winter 2015.
  • D Caleb Jones, No. 117 overall. The smooth skating defender has been a revelation, displaying a nice range of skills in his early WHL career. No. 13 prospect, Winter 2015.
  • D Ethan Bear, No. 124 overall. Surprised he fell as he did in this year’s draft (Button had him third round, I had him second). Either way, he’s an Oilers prospect and things are progressing very well—he is on pace to score 22 goals in the WHL this year. No. 9 prospect, Winter 2015.
  • D John Marino, No. 154 overall. Mobile offensive defender had an immediate impact with Tri-City Storm of the USHL. Cooled off, but a promising first quarter. A candidate for the Winter Top 20.
  • G Miroslav Svoboda, No. 208 overall. Struggled in the Cze-2 league early but recent efforts have been very strong. Early days. A candidate for the Winter Top 20.
  • D Ziyat Paigin, No. 209 overall. A transfer to Sochi unlocked this player and he has been playing a feature role. One of several defensive picks from this draft who are tracking very well. No. 15 prospect, Winter 2015.
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Woodguy

magisterrex:
theres oil in virginia,

I hope you continue to post.

Groupthink is how the OBC went wrong with the Oilers.

Differing viewpoints should be encouraged here.

But I’m just a tier four Lowetide poster, so what do I know.

I didn’t go after him because he disagreed with my narrative.

I went after him because he dismissed by argument with a wave of a hand instead of evidence.

Woodguy

theres oil in virginia,

theres oil in virginia,

. I’ve often wondered if it comes across as targeting you when I only chime in and disagree with your comments, but it is not intended that way.

Not at all.

I think you are generally a smart poster.

theres oil in virginia

magisterrex:
theres oil in virginia,

I hope you continue to post.

Groupthink is how the OBC went wrong with the Oilers.

Differing viewpoints should be encouraged here.

But I’m just a tier four Lowetide poster, so what do I know.

Thanks for the support. I echo your sentiment and appreciate it when, in good faith, folks take time to go against the tide. (No pun intended.)

theres oil in virginia

Woodguy:
theres oil in virginia,

. I was expecting to see Petry’s quote and had no idea who Basu was/is. I see now that he works for nhl.com and is close to the Canads. So I think your point is valid and that was a bit stupid on my part. In my defense, I’ll say that I was simply trying to be sure that we knew what we thought we knew, and it was late. I should have checked into who Basu was first. I apologize.


However, it’s reactions like yours above which have made me tire of posting here.

Hi Jake,

Three things:

1) Your post dismissed an information point of my argument witha wave of a hand and without information.I usually jump on that, regardless of the poster.

2) I’m a dink and I apologize for going *slightly* over the top.

3)Now that you know who Basu is, when you re-read your post you have to admit that its really dumb and to be fair to me it was one of the stupidest things I had read in a while.

Thanks for the response WG. Regarding your point 3, I agreed with your assessment in my response above, it was lazy work on my part. So, no worries regarding your conclusion. It was your manner I was objecting to, and I won’t dwell on it.

In general, I’ve refrained from engaging many others here in order to avoid entanglement, and have stuck to you, LT, Bruce, Spoiler, Pouzar, JDI, and a handful of others. I’ve often wondered if it comes across as targeting you when I only chime in and disagree with your comments, but it is not intended that way.

Regarding Petry, I mostly agree with your latest post above. I think MacT would have been happy to sign Petry long term, but at low dollars, which indicates that he undervalued him. However, I don’t see evidence of what Petry would have signed for. Petry willing to sign 6 years for $6M per year doesn’t mean much more than MacT willing to sign him for 6 years at $2M per. Both of those positions can be construed to mean the there was willingness to sign, but neither position is reasonable.

So, in the absence of those numbers, it’s hard to say with much meaningfulness that Petry was willing to sign long term, or that MacT was not. A caveat to this is MacT’s statement about not being able to pay all of your d-men $4M. Does this indicate that Petry was looking for $4M? Would Petry have signed in EDM for less than he signed in MTL. I doubt it. Unfortunately, we don’t have all of the info.

Woodguy

theres oil in virginia,

. I was expecting to see Petry’s quote and had no idea who Basu was/is. I see now that he works for nhl.com and is close to the Canads. So I think your point is valid and that was a bit stupid on my part. In my defense, I’ll say that I was simply trying to be sure that we knew what we thought we knew, and it was late. I should have checked into who Basu was first. I apologize.

However, it’s reactions like yours above which have made me tire of posting here.

Hi Jake,

Three things:

1) Your post dismissed an information point of my argument with a wave of a hand and without information. I usually jump on that, regardless of the poster. I do not do that to evidence based arguments. The difference between the two is everything.

2) I’m a dink and I apologize for going *slightly* over the top.

3) Now that you know who Basu is, when you re-read your post you have to admit that its really dumb and to be fair to me it was one of the stupidest things I had read in a while.

magisterrex

theres oil in virginia,

I hope you continue to post.

Groupthink is how the OBC went wrong with the Oilers.

Differing viewpoints should be encouraged here.

But I’m just a tier four Lowetide poster, so what do I know.

theres oil in virginia

Woodguy: Congratulations on the dumbest post in the thread and the stupidest thing I’ve read in a while.

According to your logic no one actually says anything when quoted by a reporter.

So the next time Kady O’Malley from the Ottawa Citizen writes “Trudeau said “X” about “Y””, we should be reading that Kady O’Malley said it because she was the one that reported the quote.

Unreal.

I think that’s an over-the-top reaction to have to my post. Really, way over. My point was that you linked to JW’s article, which contains a twitter post by whoever Arpon Basu is, which claims that Petry said something. I was expecting to see Petry’s quote and had no idea who Basu was/is. I see now that he works for nhl.com and is close to the Canads. So I think your point is valid and that was a bit stupid on my part. In my defense, I’ll say that I was simply trying to be sure that we knew what we thought we knew, and it was late. I should have checked into who Basu was first. I apologize.

However, it’s reactions like yours above which have made me tire of posting here. You might approve of that, because hey it’s much better when everyone agrees on the narrative (MacT was a total failure) and no dissenting positions are considered. Or even better, let’s everybody take one of the two most opposing positions and argue tenaciously. Anyone who tries to get beyond that is accused of taking one or the other polarized positions and forced toward it. There is no nuance and no regard for the truth of the matter. And just forget about respect, that’s retro.

I have disagreed with you many times, but I have never made statements toward you like the above you made toward me, and while I don’t have the public presence that you have (I know your name you don’t know mine – Hi Darcy, I’m Jake Beale from SW Virginia – now we’re a bit more even) and that isn’t a fair arrangement, I think that the respect that I have shown you deserves a bit more in return than what you’ve just shown me.

So many times I’ve read something here that is outright false, or at best based on uncertain information (someone’s guess, often yours), that gets parrotted repeatedly and built upon, and I’ve started writing something (hopefully) objective in response, but it gets deleted before posting, because I’m sure someone will react like you have above and it’s tiresome. Even this post, I’m currently considering just saying “fuck it” and deleting it.

rickithebear

I miss Jeff Petry!
that 2nd/ 3rd comp defensive play is how you build a cup winning team.
We have not replaced his standard of play in WC.

Holy Fuck!
Better get my LTM checked too!

Ca$h-McMoney!

MacT gave us the gift of “MacT face”. That’s a gift internet meme generators will make sure keeps on giving for a long time.

Nurse
Draisaitl
MacT face

Thank you for your service.

Oil2Oilers

Marc,

If Petry had been able to some of the PP minutes Jultz is gifted he may not of been such a tweener. But that all plays back to your point on MacTs love of the he choose us one.

Marc

Woodguy:
A lot of the posts in this thread remind me of all the:

“Petry didn’t sign because he wants to play in the US” and “Petry wants to play in Detroit, that’s why he only signed for a year”

That was the common theme for a long time.

“Insider” Mark Spector was the one in the MSM trumpeting this one and many people parroted it in the Oilogosphere.

Then Petry signs a long term extension with a Canadian team and you never heard it again.

Here’s the bottom line:

MacT didn’t want to sign him long term.

There are quotes linked to in this thread where he says as much.

After watching Petry playing the toughest comp in the NHL for 4 years with Smid, Marincin and Ference and come out close to even, he was unsure whether or not to sign him.

Jason Strudwick is on record saying he’d “never seen an organization treat a very good player this poorly”

This has nothing to do with MacT’s negotiating skills.

It has everything to do with MacT evaluating Petry and deciding he wasn’t worth the long term contract.

It has everything to do with MacT falling in love with Schultz after his 34 games in the AHL and deciding that he was going to be the 1RHD on the Oilers and no amount of struggles in the NHL would change that.

Don’t forget Fayne.

I suspect that in summer 2014 MacT looked at Schultz and saw a better offensive RD than Petry, and looked at Fayne and saw a better shut down RD. I think he saw Petry as a tweener of sorts – good at many things, but not outstanding at anything. So in his mind he has his top two RD set , and Petry is the de facto third RD.

The ‘can’t have all your D making $4M’ comment kinda makes sense if you think that Petry’s long term role on the Oilers would mostly be in the third pairing.

By the time he realised (if he realised) that Schultz and Fayne weren’t as good as he had thought, and Petry was better than he thought, it was too late to get Petry locked up long term.

Diesel

To be fair, Mac T gave us endless Twitter hilarity. And McDavid.
Mmmmmm… McDavid.

anonymous

Mact made many mistakes. Talking too much and choreographing his moves were his worst.
He was in over his head, in a job he never would have had in any other city.

Woodguy

A lot of the posts in this thread remind me of all the:

“Petry didn’t sign because he wants to play in the US” and “Petry wants to play in Detroit, that’s why he only signed for a year”

That was the common theme for a long time.

“Insider” Mark Spector was the one in the MSM trumpeting this one and many people parroted it in the Oilogosphere.

Then Petry signs a long term extension with a Canadian team and you never heard it again.

Here’s the bottom line:

MacT didn’t want to sign him long term.

There are quotes linked to in this thread where he says as much.

After watching Petry playing the toughest comp in the NHL for 4 years with Smid, Marincin and Ference and come out close to even, he was unsure whether or not to sign him.

Jason Strudwick is on record saying he’d “never seen an organization treat a very good player this poorly”

This has nothing to do with MacT’s negotiating skills.

It has everything to do with MacT evaluating Petry and deciding he wasn’t worth the long term contract.

It has everything to do with MacT falling in love with Schultz after his 34 games in the AHL and deciding that he was going to be the 1RHD on the Oilers and no amount of struggles in the NHL would change that.

Woodguy

theres oil in virginia: It looks to me like Arpon Basu is on record, not Jeff Petry.

Congratulations on the dumbest post in the thread and the stupidest thing I’ve read in a while.

According to your logic no one actually says anything when quoted by a reporter.

So the next time Kady O’Malley from the Ottawa Citizen writes “Trudeau said “X” about “Y””, we should be reading that Kady O’Malley said it because she was the one that reported the quote.

Unreal.

russ99

Woodguy:
MacT stated “You can’t pay al your Dman $4MM!”

MacT chose Schultz over Petry as his RHD man of the future.

It’s really that simple.

Different situations, Schultz’s contract negotiations were defined and pretty much already set by the large payout and whatever promises they made when they signed him.

MacT was just flat out a bad negotiatior. Got taken to the cleaners on Petry. Caved on Gagner right before going to arb, traded for an injured Nikitin and still gave him that huge payout, gave the NMC to Ference.

At least he got Pouliot right and fleeced Pittsburgh on Perron.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

böök¡je,

I hear that Petry planned on going to FA in grade 7 science class.

böök¡je

striatic: Players fib about that stuff all the time. What was he supposed to say? “I wanted the hell out of there”? Of course he’s going to say he wanted a long term deal, there’s no downside to saying that.

Yeah, just because you have a quote from a guy that lines up with the verbal from both sides throughout the whole period of negotiation and that hasn’t been challenged by anyone with knowledge of the situation doesn’t make it more valid than the shit I make up!

jp

Romulus Apotheosis,

Dr. Taboggan: Boom. Quoted for truthiness.

X2

SwedishPoster

Mr DeBakey:
“Nice pass from Ziyat Paigin, and an also-nice finish by Mikhail Anisin for HK Sochi against Ugra! ”

That’s the son of Vyacheslav Anisin who played for the USSR in the Summit Series in ’72 and ’74.
In ’72 he was on The Kid Line.

Mikhail Anisin (5’5) standing next to Paigin(6’6) on the ice is a beauty of a site and worth watching a Sochi game all on its own.

flyfish1168

LadiesloveSmid: Chiarelli was able to snag Colborne at 16, MacT took him at 3!!

Side note: Draisaitl 2P from Colborne’s career high. Sure miss our dashing friend, oy vey

Best part is Leon’s total point is more then the combine points of both sams at this moment in less games than both. Love to tell our dashing friend this.

Kmart99

Man I hate the Phlegms

jp

stush18:

Wasn’t everyone rather worried about Chiarelli and his ability to draft? Seem to recall a lot of angst

Alpine: Chiarelli honestly doesn’t have a great draft record, but it’s alright after the putrid years of 07-09. Colborne, Hamill, and Caron weren’t terrible bets where they were picked. They’ve found some useful players outside high picks as well.
And even though he’s signing off on these picks, scouting has a lot of impact of what these picks are on every team. They also moved away from picking coke machines high after 2009 anyways.

Where did this idea that Chiarelli has a poor draft record (and likes coke machines) come from? I’m genuinely not seeing it.

2006:
Kessel 5th overall, Lucic in the mid 2nd and Marchand in the 3rd (plus D Bodnarchuk in the 5th who has played for the Bluejackets this season). Not quite the Oilers in 1979, but that’s one hell of a draft. I guess you could withhold credit because he was only hired a month beforehand, but I’m not sure that’s fair.

2007:
Hamill was a miss in the first and 2nd rounder Cross has only played 3 NHL games (though those have been this year). No other picks before the 5th round.

2008:
Colborne 16th overall, goalie Michael Hutchinson in the 3rd. Missed on a QMJHL C in the 2nd Rd. Colborne isn’t what you’re *hoping* for at #16, but he’s a real NHLer. Nothing wrong with this draft. And no one aside from Colborne who could be considered a coke machine.

2009:
Caron has 153 NHL GP from pick #25 (but not trending to play many more). No 2nd. 3rd Rd D was a miss. 4th Rd MacDermid was an enforcer who made the NHL but has already retired. 6th rounder Randell is an NHL rookie this year. MacDermid the only coke machine.

2010:
Segin 2nd overall. Knight a 2nd round miss, but their other 2nd rounder (Spooner) is a regular this year. 4th rounder Cunningham and 7th rounder Trotman also played in the NHL this year.

2011:
Dougie Hamilton 9th overall. 2nd rounder Khokhlachev has played NHL games this year. 4th rounder Ferlin got games last year as a rookie pro (injured this year).

2012:
Malcom Subban 24th overall. No 2nd. 3rd rounder is a 5’10” scoring college defender. No 4th. 5th rounder is a 5’9′ C who played 30 NHL games last year.

2013: No 1st rounder. Rest of the draft looking meh overall.

2014: David Pastrnak 25th overall – an NHL regular already. Otherwise some college players trending well.

I just don’t see a poor drafting record considering where the picks were. You can fault Chia for trading picks away (only 54 players drafted in 9 years vs 63 original picks) but there was nothing wrong with the ones he made. And really very few guys I’d consider coke machines.

Overall the 9 drafts have produced 9 current NHL regulars, plus 11 others who’ve played NHL games this year or last. Early days for a lot of these picks too. That’s solidly average at least, right?

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Romulus Apotheosis:
The thing about Petry is the same as the thing about Rieder and a lot of other players…

Even if you accept the most flattering version for the Oilers’ management… that the players wanted out at the time of the trades and mgt took what it could get…

You still have to confront the reality that the Oilers had a lot of time to build or ruin a relationship with these players. A lot of time to come to clarity on their evaluation of these players. A lot of time to negotiate contracts with these players. etc.

You can’t simply wish away the history here.

Boom. Quoted for truthiness.

Centre of attention

Flames jump out to a 2-1 lead with 2 goals 17 seconds apart.

Why can’t Oiler fans have nice things. I hope they choke.

striatic

Ice Sage,

Rangers need to work on their centre ice face offs.

jeez.

Halfwise

Yandle to Johnny Cocky.
1-1, late second. Then NYR goes walkabout. Calgary nets 2 in 17 seconds.

Ice Sage

I hate the fucking flames. Just hate ’em.

striatic

Woodguy: Petry is on record saying that he wanted to sign in Edmonton long term and MacT wasn’t interested.

http://oilersnation.com/2015/10/29/jeff-petry-explains-why-he-doesn-t-play-for-the-edmonton-oilers-anymore

Players fib about that stuff all the time. What was he supposed to say? “I wanted the hell out of there”? Of course he’s going to say he wanted a long term deal, there’s no downside to saying that.

Romulus Apotheosis

The thing about Petry is the same as the thing about Rieder and a lot of other players…

Even if you accept the most flattering version for the Oilers’ management… that the players wanted out at the time of the trades and mgt took what it could get…

You still have to confront the reality that the Oilers had a lot of time to build or ruin a relationship with these players. A lot of time to come to clarity on their evaluation of these players. A lot of time to negotiate contracts with these players. etc.

You can’t simply wish away the history here.

theres oil in virginia

Woodguy: Petry is on record saying that he wanted to sign in Edmonton long term and MacT wasn’t interested.

http://oilersnation.com/2015/10/29/jeff-petry-explains-why-he-doesn-t-play-for-the-edmonton-oilers-anymore

It looks to me like Arpon Basu is on record, not Jeff Petry.

theres oil in virginia

Gordies Elbow: As I understand it, MacTavish was trying for a 2-3 year bridge deal, and Wade walked them into a low dollar one year deal.

The story of the “challenged him to a one year contract.” came out after, and doesn’t meet them smell test.

If you were Petry, and saw Eakins, the team around Schultz, et. al., wouldn’t you be looking for the exit? Hell, Eller was right, they played like a junior team. Wouldn’t you have wanted to jump ship?

I agree, I don’t think Petry wanted anything to do with a long-term deal in Edmonton. It wasn’t just MacT who pissed on Petry either, and while it is always taken as me trying to let MacT off the hook, it was Tambo/Lowe who started Petry down the path of an early exit from Edmonton. MacT did not appear to value Petry highly enough to make a good pitch, but he wasn’t in a good position either.

BTW, this has been beat to death, raised from the dead and beat to death again…twice over. The whole thing stinks regardless of who’s fault it is.

Gordies Elbow

Woodguy: Bridge deals are when I player comes to their ELC and the team gives you shorter term deal before deciding on a long term deal.

Petry had 1 RFA year left so the term “bridge deal” doesn’t apply.

I’m not saying it was the right play, I’m saying that it is what I understand they were talking about.

Petry had 1 year to UFA, and Wade (knowing what his client wanted) took advantage of it.

MacTavish walked into this one, for sure. Petry got what he wanted, though, as any UFA does.

Woodguy

Gordies Elbow,

I did hear that he did not like Eakins, but there was time to talk extension after Eakins was fired.

Woodguy

Gordies Elbow: As I understand it, MacTavish was trying for a 2-3 year bridge deal, and Wade walked them into a low dollar one year deal.

The story of the “challenged him to a one year contract.” came out after, and doesn’t meet them smell test.

If you were Petry, and saw Eakins, the team around Schultz, et. al., wouldn’t you be looking for the exit? Hell, Eller was right, they played like a junior team. Wouldn’t you have wanted to jump ship?

Bridge deals are when I player comes to their ELC and the team gives you shorter term deal before deciding on a long term deal.

Petry had 1 RFA year left so the term “bridge deal” doesn’t apply.

theres oil in virginia

Lowetide:
I remember driving down the road, near the deadline, MacT on the radio, the host said ‘Petry is going to be a great add for someone’ and MacT agreed excitedly. If there had been a cliff, I would have taken it.

I didn’t care for that either. I suppose he was trying to inflate trade value, but still. Anyways, it’s like Yogi Berra said: When you come to a cliff in the road, take it.”

frjohnk

Water Fire: And who says you can’t pay all top 4 D 4 million if they are quality?

Right now the Oilers are paying 11.3M to Fayne, Ference and Nikitin.

That’s an average of 3.77M and none of them are top 6.

striatic

LadiesloveSmid:
striatic,

that 5M could have come from just not signing Nikitin!!

Or moving Schultz. But mostly, yeah, not signing Nikitin.

Or Ference for that matter.

Lots of places.

LadiesloveSmid

striatic,

that 5M could have come from just not signing Nikitin!!

Gordies Elbow

frjohnk,

I love that team. Go team!

frjohnk

striatic:
Rangers lead flames 1-0 to end the first .. and it matters!

My second favorite team is winning, which happens to be any team that plays against Calgary.

Water Fire

Woodguy: MacT offered 2 year contract.

Petry wanted a long term contract and MacT’s number was quite low.

Petry’s camp saw no value in 2 years so went for a one year.

MacT was convinced on Schultz’s ability and not-convinced on Petry.

His inability to proper evaluate his Dmen was the cause.

Agreed. The UFA has the stick if at all good, it’s why they get paid. For a manager to let a competent player in a very hard to fill position go and end up with a hole, might, cost you your job?

And who says you can’t pay all top 4 D 4 million if they are quality? I say you might have to. You can’t overpay weak players and that leaves the money to pay the competent.

striatic

Rangers lead flames 1-0 to end the first .. and it matters!

striatic

So .. That Zaiyat Paigin sure looks like a player or something.

steveb12344: My point is that we didn’t get “nothing” for him. We got a couple picks and over 5 million in cap-space, which we used to get Sekera.

While this is true, the 5 million in cap could have come from a lot of other places, and had it, there’s a possibility you get both Petry and Sekera.

I think the issue for most fans isn’t that Petry got away, it was how he got away and when.

Gordies Elbow

Woodguy: MacT offered 2 year contract.

Petry wanted a long term contract and MacT’s number was quite low. Petry’s camp saw no value in 2 years so went for a one year. MacT was convinced on Schultz’s ability and not-convinced on Petry. His inability to proper evaluate his Dmen was the cause.

As I understand it, MacTavish was trying for a 2-3 year bridge deal, and Wade walked them into a low dollar one year deal.

The story of the “challenged him to a one year contract.” came out after, and doesn’t meet them smell test.

If you were Petry, and saw Eakins, the team around Schultz, et. al., wouldn’t you be looking for the exit? Hell, Eller was right, they played like a junior team. Wouldn’t you have wanted to jump ship?

jp

Lowetide:
Nurse-Sekera
KLefbom-Petry

That is why.

Just stop it!

The bad men are away from the controls now. And Petry can’t be retrieved.

Thinking about this move still really smarts for me. Nikitin and Schultz got Petry’s money. MacT and co. sat down and talked, and thought about it, and picked Nikitin AND Schultz over Petry.

So on Monday we may see:
Nurse-Sekera
Nikitin-Schultz

I wish Jeff Petry all the best.

Woodguy

Gordies Elbow: I understand what has been said. It’s somewhere between

“I challenged him to a one year contract.”

or

“I was outnegotiated, and didn’t understand or believe that my player would take a one year contract and then be UFA”

If Petry wanted to remain an Oiler, it was within his, and Wade Arnott’s discretion to be so. He was a UFA, and signed where he wanted to. I can’t say as I blame him.

MacT offered 2 year contract.

Petry wanted a long term contract and MacT’s number was quite low.

Petry’s camp saw no value in 2 years so went for a one year.

MacT was convinced on Schultz’s ability and not-convinced on Petry.

His inability to proper evaluate his Dmen was the cause.

Gordies Elbow

Woodguy:
MacT stated “You can’t pay al your Dman $4MM!”

MacT chose Schultz over Petry as his RHD man of the future.

It’s really that simple.

Yeah, that I can believe. MacTavish lowballed Petry, not thinking that he’d leave, and Wade was brighter than Edmonton’s management group.

That said, Eakins or not, Petry wanted out, and the one year deal (which comes at risk to the player) should be evidence of that.