G33 2015-16: OILERS AT BLACKHAWKS

This is Jordan Eberle. His talent is scoring, the most difficult thing to do in sports. Eberle got hurt in pre-season and the blow to the team was significant. Injuries are having an enormous impact on the Oilers, but if they can ever get the complete band healthy, they could make beautiful music together.

MY KIND OF TOWN, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in October 2014: 4-5-1
  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-8-0
  • Oilers in November 2014: 2-9-3
  • Oilers in November 2015: 4-7-2
  • Oilers in December 2014: 2-8-4
  • Oilers in December 2015: 6-1-0
  • Oilers after 32 in 2014-15: 7-20-5, 19 points (-46 GD)
  • Oilers after 32 in 2015-16: 14-16-2, 30 points (-9 GD)

Edmonton would lose G33 a year ago, San Jose winning 4-3 and ruining a night that featured a Steve Pinizzotto goal. The Oilers will be in tough against the Chicago’s tonight, but they have played them well over these years and the games are usually fun to watch.

THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM

Steven Stamkos an Oiler? Come the hell on. And yet, none other than Bob McKenzie mentioned Edmonton by name in a story on Stamkos yesterday. Quoting the article:

  • McKenzie: Edmonton? Not sure how the Oilers could shoe-horn Stamkos money into McDavid/Hall/Draisaitl et al money, to say nothing of what they would do with Ryan Nugent-Hopkins or others, but dare to dream of the possibilities. Source

I cannot imagine the Oilers being able to retain all of Taylor Hall, Connor McDavid, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Leon Draisaitl and Jordan Eberle while also acquiring Steven Stamkos, but they could offload one of those names and still be ahead of the game in the acquisition. If Stamkos signs next summer to play on McDavid’s wing, who would you trade? Could you get an impact D for him? I bet you could come pretty damned close. Hamonic? Better? Dare to dream.

  • Pouliot—McDavid—Stamkos
  • Hall—Draisaitl—Eberle
  • Who cares?
  • Who cares?

Maybe it is Nugent-Hopkins after all? You could fetch a fantastic defenseman for such an exceptional talent as the Nuge. I hate the idea of trading him, but he would have more value than 14 and Chiarelli could bring in a more substantial 3C for the heavy lifting? Would I trade Nuge for the right defenseman? Sure, but it would not be my first option. Oilers have strength at center for the first time this century, lets not blow it up at the earliest convenience. I do like Leon right side, maybe Eberle is odd man out? What a horrible, glorious pickle to be in.

DEFENSE, 2015-16

OILERS DEFENSE OVER SEASON

We talked yesterday about Klefbom returning, and that could happen on Saturday or Monday. That said, tonight the problem of that top pairing and what to do with it remains. I am a stubborn kind of fellow, so will argue that Brandon Davidson should stay in his lane. If we try to exclude rookies from the tough minutes, we are left with a tough, tough choice. How about this?

  • Nikitin—Sekera
  • Davidson—Gryba
  • Nurse—Schultz

Hmmm. Maybe Nurse—Sekera stays for three more games? Davidson may well be the guy to throw into the breach, but I really don’t like the idea of running another rookie out there. Do good teams do this? I don’t think they do. Man. Call up Fayne. Please!

fayne capture

Today at practice, there is a chance we see some tweaking of the pairings. Sekera is the top defenseman on this team, and in terms of performance Brandon Davidson should probably be his partner. If the young man steps in and flourishes, someone on planet earth should make an argument for the Calder Trophy. Seriously.

CENTER, 2015-16

oilers centers over season

The Oilers have two quality centers, two guys who play utility roles and a teenager on the IR who could make 2016 rattle and hum. The Nuge is pushing up offensively now, that line needs Benoit Pouliot tonight and they need him badly. Leon is Paul Bunyan with the numbers to match.

WINGS, 2015-16

oil forwards over season

People are falling all over themselves to give Hall some love these days, but you and I knew this miles ago. Fantastic river-pusher he, Hall has splendid marks across the board. Teddy Purcell is also shining on here, like those numbers a bunch. If you wanted to bitch, maybe the 5×4 could improve, but that is a strength so it is a good bet that number will improve over the season.

Jordan Eberle is coming on now, this is such a good offensive player and Edmonton needs these goals badly. He is on a roll right now, feed him minutes and line him up for the shootout. Jujhar Khaira didn’t play the other night and the replacements were not as good. He may get run over by Benoit Pouliot tonight, but I would put JJ in anyway, possibly replacing the injured Iiro Pakarinen (still haven’t heard on his status).

Matt Hendricks and Lauri Korpikoski have been doing a good job as checkers lately, business as usual for Hendricks and a nice arrow in a good direction for the Finn.

QUICK HITS

  • We have been asking this question for two years now, interesting that Jim Matheson has joined the ponderers. If Matty is wondering, the game is afoot. I don’t think you get much for Schultz, his contract situation and performance hurt his value. I do think a team with issues on the blue would trade a talented minor league player for him, and that brings up the importance of pro scouting. Edmonton needs forwards, and one suspects Chiarelli will add someone with size. I bet the scouts are looking across the AHL for big, skilled wingers. Edmonton probably has to take on a contract plus the prospect to offload Schultz, and I do think it will happen. Maybe Mark McNeill, the two-way center in the Chicago system (or Ville Pokka the defender, I like him a bit) plus a dead contract? We wait.
  • There is a nice article on Josh Currie in The Guardian.
  • Cam Cole remains a helluva writer and he pens the official time of death for the Sedin Canucks at December 16, 2015. Fabulous prose, he was and is the best of the EJ group that included Matty and Terry Jones, and even includes a nice swipe at the Oilers. The problem with taking shots at the Oilers nowadays? Since the McDavid draft the barbs have no prickles. The war is over, Vancouver. You got screwed again. Hey, where is Jim Sandlak, anyway?
  • The Klefbom injury really buggers up a nice pre-Christmas run. I think this team has a chance at the playoffs, and if they could go 2-1 over the next three games (and arrive at Christmas morning 15-17-2) I would happily endorse them as a playoff team. I think they will have some winning streaks in the second half and get some clearance, but this is going to be closer than the climax scene in The Hunt for Red October.

LAST 10 GAMES, OILERS

  1. Taylor Hall 10, 6-5-11
  2. Leon Draisaitl 10, 2-8-10
  3. Teddy Purcell 10, 2-7-9
  4. Jordan Eberle 10, 5-3-8
  5. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 10, 2-5-7
  6. Lauri Korpikoski 10, 4-1-5
  7. Mark Letestu 10, 1-3-4
  8. Iiro Pakarinen 10, 2-2-4
  9. Andrej Sekera 10, 2-2-4
  10. Matt Hendricks 10, 1-2-3
  11. Jujhar Khaira 8, 0-2-2
  12. Anton Lander 10, 0-2-2
  13. Darnell Nurse 10, 1-1-2
  14. Justin Schultz 9, 0-2-2
  15. Brandon Davidson 8, 0-1-1
  16. Luke Gazdic 7, 0-1-1
  17. Oscar Klefbom 8, 0-1-1
  18. Eric Gryba 8, 0-1-1
  19. Niki Nikitin 2, 0-1-1
  20. Benoit Pouliot 3, 0-1-1
  21. Anders Nilsson 8, 2.44 .925
  22. Cam Talbot 2, 2.98 .926

Some very nice performances here, two lines posting offense and the goaltending numbers are solid to very good. Can this team win a game or two before Christmas? This stuff matters, for the first time in forever.

BLUNT7

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy show with the wide, wide world of sports. 10 this morning, TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Darcy McLeod, Because Oilers. Got Stamkos? Plus the blue and McLellan’s impact on the yutes.
  • Scott Zerr, Oilers Nation and TSN1260. A win for the Condors last night, who played well?
  • Andrew Bucholtz, 55-Yard Line. The CFL is off its meds.
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. All Stamkos, All the time!

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  1. godot10 says:

    Anybody ever hear Drew Doughty complain about how Daryl Sutter uses him. Doughty goes to Team Canada, and is typically the highest scoring defensemen, but Daryl doesn’t let him free wheel as much, and it probably has cost him a couple of Norris Trophies.

    Does Doughty complain like Stamkos?

    What about Pieterangelo who gets all the defensive assignments while Shattenkirk gets all the power play gravy. Every hear Pieterangelo complain?

    The only whiner in this generation of young players is Stamkos.

  2. PhrankLee says:

    godot10: The only whiner in this generation of young players is Stamkos.

    Not sure you have seen any Penguin interviews.

  3. Mr. D. says:

    Fayne and Nikitan are NOT part of Chiarelli s plans. Nikita is here because of injury and with the hope that he plays well enough to get moved. Fayne IMO is done unless:
    There are 2 more D injuries.
    Nikitan shits the bed.
    Reinhart is next up.
    Fayne may pass the number test but he doesn’t pass the eyeball test for anybody other than the number crunchers.

  4. ASkoreyko says:

    godot10:
    Anybody ever hear Drew Doughty complain about how Daryl Sutter uses him.Doughty goes to Team Canada, and is typically the highest scoring defensemen, but Daryl doesn’t let him free wheel as much, and it probably has cost him a couple of Norris Trophies.

    Does Doughty complain like Stamkos?

    What about Pieterangelo who gets all the defensive assignments while Shattenkirk gets all the power play gravy.Every hear Pieterangelo complain?

    The only whiner in this generation of young players is Stamkos.

    Sorry, but do you actually have an article or a quote where Stamkos is actually complaining about something or are you projecting something on him.

    Otherwise you are taking this argument to an extreme that doesn’t deserve or need to exist. I am not sure why you are feeling the requirement to do this but it really doesn’t make any sense.

  5. jake70 says:

    Is this game on TV at all? I am in a blackout but I at least see it in the guide. SN East, West , Ontario, Pacific all saying Tampa at St. Louis Rams. 360 has Canucks, SN1 has Raptors. Strange.

  6. Dr. Taboggan says:

    godot10,

    Please stop. When has Stamkos ever complained? He merely stated that he prefers to play centre. That is totally reasonable.

    Of course Doughty scores more at the olympics. Look at his teammates. Half the games are against teams with only a handful on NHLers. This proves nothing.

    And why would Pieterangelo complain? He makes almost twice as much as Shattenkirk. I would hope he could handle the tough assignments for 7 milliion a season.

  7. Yegfoundation says:

    Do any of you kind folks have a link for the game?

  8. StevieG_8 says:

    Ziyat Paigin – PP rocket goal IIHF WJC

    Man, this guy can shoot the puck!

  9. Thor762 says:

    Yegfoundation:
    Do any of you kind folks have a link for the game?

    Supposedly this is to be the Oilers game at 830.
    youtube.com/watch?v=I-Widy9Tzu0&feature=youtu.be

  10. ASkoreyko says:

    Yegfoundation:
    Do any of you kind folks have a link for the game?

    This is the last link you will ever need. Just bookmark it.

    You are welcome 😉

  11. Yegfoundation says:

    Thor762: Supposedly this is to be the Oilers game at 830.
    youtube.com/watch?v=I-Widy9Tzu0&feature=youtu.be

    TY Thor, I’ll give it a try. Appreciate it.

  12. PhrankLee says:

    If we can hang with these guys through 40 anything can happen for us.

    I think Leah Hextall is sexy.

  13. Yegfoundation says:

    ASkoreyko,

    I think u forgot to post the link.

  14. jp says:

    StevieG_8:
    Ziyat Paigin – PP rocket goal IIHF WJC

    Man, this guy can shoot the puck!

    This year? He’ll be 21 next month, so isn’t eligible (unless I’m mistaken).

    Also, the WJC hasn’t started yet, right? (again, unless I’m mistaken).

  15. Yegfoundation says:

    Thor762: Supposedly this is to be the Oilers game at 830.
    youtube.com/watch?v=I-Widy9Tzu0&feature=youtu.be

    working well, thank you Sir

  16. jp says:

    What a great play by Hendricks. No finish unfortunately… 🙁

  17. Oil2Oilers says:

    5 minutes in against a good team and I am strangely calm. This is not like the last 9 years.

  18. Centre of attention says:

    Lander scores tonight, book it.

    4th line with a helluva shift.

  19. Centre of attention says:

    I legit feel bad for Hawks fans. Hjarmlsson is a big loss. You don’t know what you have until its gone with players like that.

  20. stevezie says:

    Woodguy,

    I think your shock at the board today is misplaced. No one is arguing that Stamkos is done (I don’t think), we’re wondering if he production is going to match his expected salary.

    As you noted, last year he had an off season and scored forty. Great! But would you be happy paying eight million dollars for 72 points in 82 games? Nine million? Ten?

    We don’t know what his ask is, but I think it makes a lot of sense to ask if we need to mortgage the future on a goal scoring forward when this team’s greatest strength is already scoring forwards.

    Your many fine stats show that he is clearly the second best goal scorer in the league during his time to date, but they don’t change that he 1) Has not been that this year (even accounting for linemate’s sh%) and 2) is hitting the age when most players drop off. Maybe he won’t, and even if he drops he’ll still land in excellent company, but I’m not sure I want to be the one whose cap is screwed if he becomes merely good.

  21. Ice Sage says:

    Centre of attention:
    I legit feel bad for Hawks fans. Hjarmlsson is a big loss.

    It was a Schultz shot – he’ll be back

  22. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Have you seen the muffin shot?
    The muffin shot?
    The muffin shot.
    The one that hit hjarmlssons leg?

  23. ASkoreyko says:

    Yegfoundation:
    ASkoreyko,

    I think u forgot to post the link.

    Yep, how embarrassing!

    https://www.reddit.com/r/NHLStreams/

    Reddit is the best place for this info and it is always updated and a non-sketchy site to get links from (the same can’t be said for the links themselves, but its a safe starting place).

  24. Yegfoundation says:

    ASkoreyko,

    How embarrassing for you 🙂

  25. Suntory Hanzo says:

    ASkoreyko,

    The HD one with the leafs avatar is mint Chicago feed. Usual NBC commentator that I like but many don’t

  26. Lowetide says:

    Nice effort so far, lots of smart work.

  27. Lowetide says:

    This is the best Gazdic we have seen, bar none. Can actually do things.

  28. StevieG_8 says:

    jp: This year? He’ll be 21 next month, so isn’t eligible (unless I’m mistaken).

    Also, the WJC hasn’t started yet, right? (again, unless I’m mistaken).

    Oops, just found a russia-sweden game and saw him take that slapper. Apologies, I just finished finals and I am just getting back to watching hockey.

  29. Lackadaisical says:

    Ice Sage: It was a Schultz shot – he’ll be back

    Called it.

  30. stevezie says:

    Caramel Obvious: The other side of this is that stars are underpaid. You are better off with one $7 million player and two $1 million players than three $3 million players.

    Following myself up, I’m not sure this is true.

    My first reason is the Friedman article from last summer showing that stars have never had such a hard time distancing themselves from the pack, especially in the playoffs. I can’t find the link but it was discussed on here. Toews and Pouliot having identical even strength scoring rates is a good (but singular) example.

    My other reason is just because you’re paying a guy seven million doesn’t mean you’re getting a seven million dollar player. Most players have a bad stretch or even a bad season, and sometimes you lose it and it never comes back. If your seven million dollar guy is bad, you’re kind of screwed. If one of your three million dollar players is bad 1) You don’t notice as much because his line is stronger and can pick up the slack and 2) you have an easier time replacing him than you do the seven million dollar guy.

    All that said cap space is there to spend. If player A is only 10% better than player B but wants 40% more it makes sense to give it to him if you can afford it. Just be careful who you put in a position to kill your cap, eh Carolina?

  31. Lucinius says:

    Hjarmlsson back already, bah!

    Not bad so far, though.

    Continue to notice some passing issues with various Oilers; puck is often about a foot behind the stick, forcing the recipient into a difficult spot if they can’t kick it up, or forcing them to slow down, spin, or somehow otherwise compensate.

  32. jp says:

    StevieG_8: Oops, just found a russia-sweden game and saw him take that slapper. Apologies, I just finished finals and I am just getting back to watching hockey.

    No worries. Just sounded wrong when you said it.

    Nice to see him scoring again wherever it is!!

  33. Centre of attention says:

    Talbot is feelin it so far. Some crazy saves threw heavy traffic as well as off the rush.

  34. PhrankLee says:

    Chicago with a text book stick out your ass and protect the puck shift.

    Man they are good.

  35. Lowetide says:

    Corsi 5×5 was 9-9 and then in a heartbeat it is 9-16. Lordy.

  36. Quinlan says:

    Gryba is clueless.

    Oh boy.

  37. Centre of attention says:

    Hall had a chance there, thought a bit to much and it goes the other way. Of course they score…

  38. PhrankLee says:

    Lowetide: Corsi 5×5 was 9-9 and then in a heartbeat it is 9-16. Lordy.

    Methodical pressure.

  39. Lowetide says:

    0-1. A lot we can say, that we have said before.

  40. Quinlan says:

    So pretty much, the coach’s greatest fear when Schultz and Nikitin are out together is exactly what just happened.

  41. Lucinius says:

    Ugh… several things went wrong there. Mis-play by Hall, followed by Schultz out of position and Nikitin not able to do his job and take away the pass (he overplayed the shooter).

  42. PhrankLee says:

    Talbot was there.

    Hit the net Schultz. FFS.

  43. stevezie says:

    godot10,

    I’m not sure arguing with management makes a guy a bad teammate.

    He is clearly in a fightt,anyone who denies that is delusional, but haven’t good players (and good human beings) fought with management before? Even gone to the point of no return? Yzerman and Cooper seem like great guys, but they fought with St Louis and now they’re fighting with Stamkos. I don’t see this as a character indictment of anyone, and am really not sure why the bad guy is automatically Stamkos.

  44. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Schultz brings me no joy.

  45. stevezie says:

    I’m not even trying to trash the guy, but I wonder I Pittsburgh’s need of puck moving d-men means they would want Schultz?

    Could a guy with three points possibly have trade value anywhere? Oh well, he has some tools, maybe he’ll figure it out with us?

  46. Kirby says:

    The Oilers just can’t seem to control the puck at all when they get it, or just throw it away either blindly or in desperation. The Hawks have just started starting circles around them because they can identify, make, and take a pass.

    I am also not liking the Hendricks like being put out against the Kane line (it’s not as if it’s only been because of the Hawks having last change, we’ve put ourselves in the match up as well).

  47. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Looks like the lineman really missed Yakupov in the corner there.

  48. PhrankLee says:

    We have no answer to the Chicago cycle.

  49. Captain's Log says:

    Schultz showing his lack of defensive awareness yet again on that goal. It seems like that after that goal the Oilers have been pretty deflated. They were in the game prior but now they’re making hopeful passes, reaching for pucks and playing soft on D.

  50. Lucinius says:

    Horseshoe Flames beating Dallas 2-1 after the 1st. Ugh.

    Toronto ahead of San Jose 3-2 after 2nd period; yay?

    Flyers up on the Canucks 1-0, in the third; had a second goal disallowed earlier, so hope they can keep it with the one goal lead.

    Be nice to get a point tonight, but I’m expecting a loss. For once more because of Chicago being Chicago rather than Oilers Oilering.

  51. Oil2Oilers says:

    Suntory Hanzo:
    Looks like the lineman really missed Yakupov in the corner there.

    Perfect

  52. Lowetide says:

    11-22 in 5×5 Corsi events according to hockeystats.ca. A lot of good things before a lot of bad things.

  53. Quinlan says:

    Lowetide:
    11-22 in 5×5 Corsi events according to hockeystats.ca. A lot of good things before a lot of bad things.

    Begins with puck control and a decent outlet pass. Oilers are breaking up the cycle decently, but either have no options once they get the puck, or if they do have an option, utterly fail at making and taking the pass.

  54. Lowetide says:

    Quinlan: Begins with puck control and a decent outlet pass. Oilers are breaking up the cycle decently, but either have no options once they get the puck, or if they do have an option, utterly fail at making and taking the pass.

    I think most of this is coming together, but Schultz has a tin ear and Gryba cannot skate well enough. I don’t think they will get a point, but for me that first period had some good things.

  55. PhrankLee says:

    The long change has been Achilles like for us this year.

  56. Lucinius says:

    Anaheim and Vancouver both lose (both by shut-out..), so at least some good news tonight.

  57. Zelepukin says:

    You do not win games icing NikJultz. Full stop.

  58. Centre of attention says:

    Lucinius:
    Anaheim and Vancouver both lose (both by shut-out..), so at least some good news tonight.

    I think the wheels are falling off in Vancouver. Its a bottom 8 finish for the cancucks for sure. We just need to be better than them and we have a chance at Valhalla.

  59. Lowetide says:

    Letestu with a nice defensive play.

  60. PhrankLee says:

    Can thank Lander for that change. Needed it badly.

  61. jp says:

    Lowetide:
    Letestu with a nice defensive play.

    Very nice. But where were the defensemen? Serious question.

  62. PhrankLee says:

    Centre of attention: I think the wheels are falling off in Vancouver. Its a bottom 8 finish for the cancucks for sure. We just need to be better then them and we have a chance at Valhalla.

    Interestingly the Ducks are also getting clobbered tonight.

  63. Lucinius says:

    Is it just me, or does Hall look slower than normal? He’s struggling heavily to even just keep pace with a number of Hawks.

  64. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Centre of attention: I think the wheels are falling off in Vancouver. Its a bottom 8 finish for the cancucks for sure. We just need to be better then them and we have a chance at Valhalla.

    While reading the Vancouver province this morning in the staff room before school, it was noted thrat. yesterday began the full rebuild of the Canucks. Built around drafting and Horvat and Vertanen. Things are very different here in the Fraser valley. Canucks jerseys and shirts are now almost non existent in the high school. I see more golden state warriors jerseys than Canucks gear.

  65. PhrankLee says:

    Hit the net, Schultz!!

    I am in disbelief..

  66. blainer says:

    Man they need to let Nurse loose more often..

  67. Lowetide says:

    jp: Very nice. But where were the defensemen? Serious question.

    Definitely some looseness on that play.

  68. Centre of attention says:

    Just one of those games, guys. Try not to get too upset.

  69. Lowetide says:

    Nurse with the shame on that one. 0-2, probably all she wrote. Still, I am liking some things about this team tonight.

  70. Centre of attention says:

    The Oilers can’t buy a power play this game. Some serious interference not getting called on the Hawks.

  71. jp says:

    PhrankLee: Methodical pressure.

    Lucinius:
    Is it just me, or does Hall look slower than normal? He’s struggling heavily to even just keep pace with a number of Hawks.

    I think PhrankLee nailed it.

    Hall just hasn’t had any time or space to get going in a straight line.

  72. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide:
    Nurse with the shame on that one. 0-2, probably all she wrote. Still, I am liking some things about this team tonight.

    If the Oilers can pot one and go into the intermission down 1 they have a chance.

  73. PhrankLee says:

    Perfect shift to answer.

    20, 51 and 54.

  74. jp says:

    Crawford stopping everything. But a lot of questionable rebounds there if the Oilers could get to them.

  75. Zelepukin says:

    jp:
    I think PhrankLee nailed it.

    Hall just hasn’t had any time or space to get going in a straight line.

    Hawks are very efficient in transition, which in doing so means they’ve always got someone taking away our D or wingers space in our own zone.

  76. Lucinius says:

    jp:
    I think PhrankLee nailed it.

    Hall just hasn’t had any time or space to get going in a straight line.

    Eh, he’s had a couple where he was able to go straight, carrying the puck, pumping his legs.. and caught with ease. Just looks sluggish even when he’s had room and time to accelerate. Normally he’s able to either pull away or at least keep himself just out of reach of back-checkers.

  77. jake70 says:

    Is there anyone on the Oilers mad tonight, seriously, anyone even a little pissed off at the score? Listless bunch tonight.

  78. PhrankLee says:

    Lucinius: Eh, he’s had a couple where he was able to go straight, carrying the puck, pumping his legs.. and caught with ease. Just looks sluggish even when he’s had room and time to accelerate. Normally he’s able to either pull away or at least keep himself just out of reach of back-checkers.

    This team continues to forget about moving it’s feet.

    I feel they have pace enough to push the Hawks. But respecting the Hawks too much is also a fatal mistake.

    Hang around if we can. Please score.

    Move your feet!!

  79. fuzzy muppet says:

    I think Darnell may need to watch a game from above. He’s just giving the puck away time and again.

  80. Lowetide says:

    Reading the comments, you do understand the Hawks are a really good team, right?

  81. Lucinius says:

    Apparently we can’t buy a goal tonight…

  82. Lowetide says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    I think Darnell may need to watch a game from above.He’s just giving the puck away time and again.

    I think they could move him down the depth chart, but as I mentioned in this morning’s post, the alternatives aren’t great.

  83. Centre of attention says:

    Nuge up with hall and Purcell. Leon hasn’t been having regular shifts. Weird.

  84. Centre of attention says:

    Nikita can’t even glass-and-out.

  85. fuzzy muppet says:

    Lowetide,

    Oh I agree but The team is in range. It’s time for Chia to make a move for a defender

  86. jp says:

    Lowetide:
    Reading the comments, you do understand the Hawks are a really good team, right?

    Haha, was just going to say effectively that.

    But a facewash shows you care.

  87. JDï™ says:

    Lowetide:
    Reading the comments, you do understand the Hawks are a really good team, right?

    I guess their Cups/365 is pretty good…

  88. Surly says:

    What a great PK play by Davidson…

  89. Ben says:

    The Oilers should trade Nuge for a d-man who can effectively transition the puck up to Nuge.

    #GiftoftheMagi #hohoho

  90. jp says:

    Shots only 30-24. That’s a games worth of shots already, but it feels more uneven than that.

  91. Zelepukin says:

    Davidson with a strong outing once again. We need a lucky goal to kick off the third.

  92. Lowetide says:

    32-38 after two, so with 11-22 (this is 5×5) in the first period Oil actually won the period 21-16 if my math works (and yes, score effects). I don’t give them a 10 percent chance to get a point in this game, but it has been a far better effort than I thought it could be.

  93. Zelepukin says:

    Sadly our best puck luck opportunities ended up being on the sticks of all our meathands forwards.

  94. Pouzar says:

    Glad I didn’t wait to watch this on PVR.

    Oh well.

    Bout time for a comeback no?!?!?!

  95. 31saves says:

    I feel as though Eberle and Pakarinen on that shift showed the difference between this year and the years previous. Before, they get hit, they would probably skate off, get tended to, on and on. Eberle instead buckles down, heads back to the Dzone and continues defending until the shift ends.
    Last year i see Pakarinen do the same thing, but somehow it seems different this year, whereas before he blocks that shot to get noticed, this year its to prevent the goal.
    I feel this team is playing as a team, and not a bunch of individuals, for the first time in years

  96. flyfish1168 says:

    Bruce Boudreau must be wondering about his job security. Ducks was one of the teams I thought would go deep.

  97. Zelepukin says:

    You know what’s great about the Hawks, they never force a play that isn’t there.

  98. jp says:

    Damn, I hope Drai didn’t break his hand there…

  99. russ99 says:

    Said it last year, saying it again this year. Putting Schultz with Nikitin (or Ference) is a recipe for disaster.

    Nikitin doesn’t have the wheels to keep up and Schultz just isn’t a crease clearer.

    What is that saying about not learning from mistakes?

  100. jp says:

    That 3rd line has looked kinda like a respectable 3rd line the last few games.

  101. 31saves says:

    Missed the first few minutes of that period, but I saw 5-0 shots for the oil. another big difference is when we open up the game a little bit we can actually rely on the ‘tenders. Couple nice saves by Talbot there

  102. Lowetide says:

    Justin Schultz is lost.

  103. Halfwise says:

    The play goes South while Jultz is steaming North. Man

  104. Pouzar says:

    Lowetide:
    Justin Schultz is lost.

    How good is Klefbom? Wow.

  105. Suntory Hanzo says:

    I would rather play E.T. – the video game on my Atari 2600 than watch Jultz play hockey in the NHL.

  106. Dicky94 says:

    Shultz had a chance to keep the play alive in the o zone and he bailed on the play for fear of contact.

  107. Halfwise says:

    Kevin Quinn making sure to say “shutout” and mention Crawford, just in case the jinx works.

  108. Captain's Log says:

    Is it just me or are the Oilers on pace to have their 2nd game in Chicago this season without a single powerplay?

  109. Pouzar says:

    Good night.

  110. Dicky94 says:

    Davidson just keeps getting better every game.

  111. Wolfie says:

    It’s not possible for a team to go 60 mins and not have broken at least one rule.

  112. Halfwise says:

    Wolfie:
    It’s not possible for a team to go 60 mins and not have broken at least one rule.

    Batter: Hey Ump! Was that a ball or a strike?
    Umpire: Neither, until I call it.

  113. Centre of attention says:

    Right before the hawks second goal, Nuge had a great chance but was interfered with big time and couldn’t make a play once he got to the puck. It goes down the ice and the Hawks score.

    Just one of those nights. Oh well.

  114. BAUCE says:

    Captain’s Log:
    Is it just me or are the Oilers on pace to have their 2nd game in Chicago this season without a single powerplay?

    The champs dont take penalties.

  115. Centre of attention says:

    Of course Calgary is up 3-1 on Dallas. No nice things for Oilers Nation.

  116. jake70 says:

    Hawks playing a great road game tonight.

  117. Wolfie says:

    Hall is hungry!

  118. BAUCE says:

    Schultz is done in Edmonton.

  119. Soup Fascist says:

    Congratulations to the Blackhawks for playing the game entirely within the rules, tonight. Never once did they step outside the bounds of the NHL rule book – according to the impartial NHL officials.

    And how about those refs? Amazingly, what appeared to the untrained eye to be unmitigated Hawk holds, – especially on the hardworking Oilers Wagon line – they had the ability to shake their heads and allow play to continue.

    Well done, fellas. Well done.

    BTW – I know the Hawks were by far the better team tonight, watching Nikitin and Schultz playing defence has made me grumpy.

  120. Captain's Log says:

    Captain’s Log:
    Is it just me or are the Oilers on pace to have their 2nd game in Chicago this season without a single powerplay?

    Actually checked and the Oil had 1 PP last time in Chicago.

    Ugh, Justin Schultz helping the Hawks score literally now. He had better be the next “veteran” to spend some time on the farm.

  121. Lowetide says:

    0-3 now, Oilers can have no questions about where they need help. Talbot deserves better support.

  122. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Jultz mit das OG. Gott in Himmel!

  123. Centre of attention says:

    4-0 with no empty netters. Doubt the Oilers will get wrecked this bad in Colorado.

  124. Halfwise says:

    There’s the team letting Talbot down.

    Pouzar looks like a genius with his sign-off a few minutes ago.

  125. Lowetide says:

    0-4.

  126. Younger Oil says:

    At least Kane didn’t get a point.

  127. Wolfie says:

    Kind of exuberant for the 4th goal of a 4-0 game…. I would put that in the memory bank if I was an Oiler…

  128. Zelepukin says:

    Captain’s Log: Ugh, Justin Schultz helping the Hawks score literally now. He had better be the next “veteran” to spend some time on the farm.

    I can’t think of a better Xmas present than Jultz being sent down. Seriously, even more than seeing McD practising.

  129. BAUCE says:

    Also the flames just won 3-1.

  130. flyfish1168 says:

    Lowetide:
    Justin Schultz is lost.

    Or do you mean so gone.

  131. Lucinius says:

    Unfortunate result. Can complain about Schultz and others on the back-end all we want, but the top six? Didn’t get anything going, really. Bottom six generated the more chances, by my eye, at least. Needed someone to step up tonight and produce. No one did.

    Definitely a “shit (doesn’t) happens” game. Oh well.

    At least I have work. Hopefully someone steps out of line tonight.

  132. Centre of attention says:

    They had a long shot of the Oilers bench after the 4-0 goal and it reminded me of December last year, they looked pretty depressed.

    The Oilers can’t be feeling down on themselves, get back at it in Colorado and at least get it to over time or something.

    Flames win tonight because of course they do. *spits*

  133. Woodguy says:

    Nope.

    Don’t need any more goal scorers on this team at all.

  134. Zelepukin says:

    Stamkos would have potted 5 this game, easy.

  135. jake70 says:

    Take space and time away from this present roster and they are an easy game against.

  136. BAUCE says:

    As this was a scheduled loss I am not too concerned. Win on Saturday and hunker down until the injured return. The only real piss off from this evening is Dallas allowing the flames to beat them at home by 2.

  137. Lowetide says:

    jake70:
    Take space and time away from this present roster and they are an easy game against.

    Nah. Boston did that and lost. Chicago is a really good team, folks. Sometimes you have to give the other man his due, while also being aware of your own faults. PC knows what he has to do, and I believe he will do it. Later than I want him to, but then again he is in charge of an NHL team and I write this blog.

  138. Captain's Log says:

    Woodguy:
    Nope.

    Don’t need any more goal scorers on this team at all.

    Yes let’s judge from one game.

    The Oilers are 13th in GF/G in spite of their awful D corps and missing McDavid, Yakupov, Eberle and Pouliot for extended periods. Goal scoring is not the problem we need to be fixing.

    On the other hand they are 5th worst in GA/G.

  139. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Lowetide,

    And do a fine job at it LT!

  140. Centre of attention says:

    I’m going to watch a replay of the 7-5 win over the Rangers where the Oilers chase Lundqvist.

    I need to see Hall score a couple times. I need my fix. This game left me feeling empty inside.

  141. Ryan says:

    Lowetide: Nah. Boston did that and lost. Chicago is a really good team, folks. Sometimes you have to give the other man his due, while also being aware of your own faults. PC knows what he has to do, and I believe he will do it. Later than I want him to, but then again he is in charge of an NHL team and I write this blog.

    He could start with adding 2 top four right shot defensemen.

  142. Centre of attention says:

    Trade Yakupov[fed with McDavid points] in a package for Shattenkirk.

    Sign Byfuglien in the off season

    Walk Schultz [take the cap space]

    Sign Purcell if its reasonable or find a cheaper replacement

    Opening night in new arena:

    Hall-Nuge-Draisaitl
    Pouliot-McDavid-Eberle
    Hendricks-Letestu-Purcell/new guy
    Khaira-Lander-Pakarinen

    Nurse-Byfuglien
    Klefbom-Shattenkirk
    Davidson-Fayne

    Talbot Or Nilsson
    Brossoit

    Playoffs?

  143. Quinlan says:

    Bad game for the rookies, IMO.

    Saw Draisaitl bad, saw Nurse awful.

    Drai looked very tired, understandably, but still.

    Nurse is a great skater but (I know I’m not breaking any new ground here) he needs more time adjusting to the NHL game before facing top competition. A good example tonight of why the NHL is not a developmental league.

    Davidson played very well to my eye. Intelligent player, increasingly impressive range of skills.

    Disappointed with the inability of the forwards to challenge the Hawks D and keep them honest. There was a very ho-hum ease with which the dangerous areas were defended. Granted, playing from behind allows the opposition’s forwards to play very conservatively and fill skating lanes.

    In the end, a game which confirmed a lot of what we already knew. The Blackhawks are the better team, and the Oilers need to continue to grow their game, especially with a view to those times when they can’t get the matchups they want.

  144. jake70 says:

    Quinlan:
    Bad game for the rookies, IMO.

    Saw Draisaitl bad, saw Nurse awful.

    Drai looked very tired, understandably, but still.

    Nurse is a great skater but (I know I’m not breaking any new ground here) he needs more time adjusting to the NHL game before facing top competition. A good example tonight of why the NHL is not a developmental league.

    Davidson played very well to my eye. Intelligent player, increasingly impressive range of skills.

    Disappointed with the inability of the forwards to challenge the Hawks D and keep them honest. There was a very ho-hum ease with which the dangerous areas were defended. Granted, playing from behind allows the opposition’s forwards to play very conservatively and fill skating lanes.

    In the end, a game which confirmed a lot of what we already knew. The Blackhawks are the better team, and the Oilers need to continue to grow their game, especially with a view to those times when they can’t get the match-ups they want.

    Good post.

    Also wonder if not so much the distance traveled but the time zone changes are affecting them, also starting out with the back to back.

  145. McSorley33 says:

    Man we really generated a lot of 5 alarm chances against Chicago…..

  146. Quinlan says:

    jake70: Good post.

    Also wonder if not so much the distance traveled but the time zone changes are affecting them, also starting out with the back to back.

    Good point.

    It was odd to see Draisaitl laboring so much when skating – just seemed slow and tired, a foot or two behind a lot of plays. Supports your idea.

    Only 15:55 TOI as well.

  147. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Scheduled loss. So is the next one. We will be lucky to win one before Christmas, but that is okay folks. This was bound to happen. Injuries are a thing and these are good teams. The Central is a monster division.

    Colorado just shut out these Hawks 3-0 remember.

  148. Quinlan says:

    In fact, most of the top 2 lines had very little TOI.

    Hall – 16:52
    Drai – 15:55
    Purcell – 14:48

    Nuge – 14:40
    Eberle – 16:03
    Khaira – 10:35

    Hendricks leading the way for the forwards with 19:07 tonight.

    I thought Khaira played alright actually, seemed to make an impact, ice time doesn’t reflect that.

    I’d expect him to be going down upon Pouliot’s return, though.

  149. böök¡je says:

    Lowetide: Nah. Boston did that and lost. Chicago is a really good team, folks. Sometimes you have to give the other man his due, while also being aware of your own faults. PC knows what he has to do, and I believe he will do it. Later than I want him to, but then again he is in charge of an NHL team and I write this blog.

    Yep – fully agree.

  150. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Woodguy: McKenzie mentioned 7 teams in his piece.

    It’s 1 in 7 Bruce!!

    Character limits.

  151. russ99 says:

    jake70:
    Take space and time away from this present roster and they are an easy game against.

    Sometimes you have to create time and space.

    I’ve yet to see this coaching stalff adapt from what was instilled in camp. Maybe it will take more than 30 games to get there, but it has to happen, and if or doesn’t, we’re going to be an easy out when we do make the playoffs.

    Also, when Nikitin and Ference are possibilities for significant minutes, we’re gifting points to the opposition. Schultz had some bad reads, made some bad plays and didn’t show a lot of fight, but you have to give him some support, like Nurse and to a lesser extent Klefbom. Running him out there with Nitikin against the Hawks is setting him up to fail.

  152. stevezie says:

    Woodguy:
    Nope.

    Don’t need any more goal scorers on this team at all.

    You mean like Yakupov or McDavid?

  153. Woodguy says:

    stevezie: You mean like Yakupov or McDavid?

    One of those things is not like the other

  154. stevezie says:

    Woodguy,

    True, but your implication was reservations about going hard after Stamkos are absurd. They’re not.

    Yes, our goal scoring could use a boost, but it’s going to get one when McD and his sidekicks come back. Klefbom coming back should get the forwards the puck faster too. As would another good puck mover.

    On that last point, the best argument I’ve heard for getting Stamkos is we could then trade a forward for a Dman without reservation.

    See? No one is saying we shouldn’t do it, just that there are legitimate counter-considerations.

  155. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Discount or not there just isn’t cap room for Stamkos.

    Team needs a top D more than another forward. Would love to have Stamkos but even at 8m per I did the math and it just decimates the depth as soon as Drai and Nurse need to get paid and you add one more D at 6m per.

  156. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    A second BEARISH engulfing candle in the past 2 weeks on the S&P 500 happened yesterday. Put your helmets and seat belts on. Markets are in for a rough ride to finish the year.

  157. Woodguy says:

    stevezie,

    See? No one is saying we shouldn’t do it, just that there are legitimate counter-considerations.

    No.

    Read the first page of the thread.

    There are people who called Stamkos “done” and more than a few who said they shouldn’t even bother.

  158. Woodguy says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Character limits.

    Nope.

  159. Woodguy says:

    Captain’s Log: Yes let’s judge from one game.

    The Oilers are 13th in GF/G in spite of their awful D corps and missing McDavid, Yakupov, Eberle and Pouliot for extended periods. Goal scoring is not the problem we need to be fixing.

    On the other hand they are 5th worst in GA/G.

    DAL is 1st in GF and 16th in GA. That’s not bad.

    MTL is 2nd in GF and 4th in GA. That’s pretty awesome.

    Aim higher.

  160. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Woodguy: Nope.

    You’d have to kill the depth on the team. Just doesn’t make sense as much as he would be awesome to have.

    Maybe that’s what people are trying to say and saying he is not worth the money is the way to say it.

    Yes there are a few exceptions and one bizarre character assassination on zero grounds but Stamkos is Eakins’ little brother from the sounds of it there.

  161. Kmart99 says:

    Klefbom’s value has become increasingly obvious. We all knew he was solid, but his injury is hurting the possession more than CMD’s injury.

    Klefbom’s ability to stop a cycle is better than Nurse’s right now, and this team needs him back in the line up if they want to win against top end teams like CHI.

    The Score Adjusted Corsi sans Klefbom is no bueno.

    I’m anxious for Chia to make a move for a higher end RH D Man with a similar skillset, and the Oilers have every right to be buyers right now. They are within striking distance and just need that little boost. Especially for when injuries like the ones to CMD, POO, KLEF, EBs, and Yak occur.

    I put Yakupov, Purcell, E.Bear, Caleb Jones, Khaira, Reinhart, Davidson, Jultz, the first, and Yakimov on the table if it means getting that depth at the top of the D Chart. I target Anaheim.

    Anthopolous showed a ton of people how to make other GMs look silly. He was a buyer when the team was 4 games back of a playoff spot, and he gave up lots of high end prospects, picks, and players but never gave up the guys that on the Oilers would be considered the Eberles.

    Hall, Nuge, Drai, Ebs, Cmd, Nurse, and Klef don’t need to be included in a deal in order to get high end talent back.

    TMac has this team playing better and the Pacific has gifted them meaningful games in December. Time to buy.

    IMO 🙂

  162. Woodguy says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    You’d have to kill the depth on the team. Just doesn’t make sense as much as he would be awesome to have.

    I disagree.

    If he’s coming here its not because they are offering the most money.

    You aim for Hall, Draisaitl, Stamkos, McDavid in your top 6 once McDavid’s extension kicks in.

    Nurse won’t get big money, he doesn’t score. His extension will include RFA years and keep the AAV down just like Klef’s deal.

    Klef already signed long term just over 4

    Sekera already signed long term at 5.5

    If you have Stamkos playing the right point on PP1 you don’t need a 1RD who scores (and therefore costs more), but can go for a Hamonic type.

    This isn’t impossible by any stretch.

    Also,

    You keep mis-using “scheduled loss”

    A “scheduled loss” is when a team is on the 2nd of a back to back AND 3rd in 4th nights on the road”

    That’s it.

  163. Woodguy says:

    All,

    Does everyone know that since the DET Cup team, every Cup winning team had 50% of their cap tied up in 5 players?

    50% for 5 players out of 23.

    Its not like this template doesn’t work.

  164. PhrankLee says:

    Woodguy: There are people who called Stamkos “done” and more than a few who said they shouldn’t even bother.

    I cannot remember the poster’s name but i think he was arguing that the 50 goal scorer in Stamkos is done.

    I was one of the guys arguing that we should not bother. I have 2 reasons.

    Toronto Maple Leafs.

    Nuge is more valuable at 6/yr than Stamkos is at 11/yr.

  165. Kmart99 says:

    Woodguy,

    I have to agree with Darcy. If there’s a player that can be added that makes your team better, you do it. Jays added Tulow and ppl were all ‘Wtf!?’ , but then an ass load of wins followed and people were all like ‘ohhh’. That’s despite Tulow’s drop off in numbers with the Jays. I know the scenarios are far from equivalent but you never know what the impact will be.

    I don’t put Stammer at the top of the list, and I wouldn’t offer him 8M+ for 8 years, but I’d definitely go after him if I could make the numbers work.

    To argue against adding a talent like Stamkos seems foolish. Provided the long term numbers work when Ebs’ contract is up I’d like to see him added to the roster.

    He’d make the team better. If the most you can offer is 8M for 7 years, you do it. If he turns it down, fine, but you still have to make the offer. With CMD here, who knows what kind of offer he might accept. Even if the 50g days are over(who knows) he still makes the team way better.

  166. dustrock says:

    PhrankLee: I cannot remember the poster’s name but i think he was arguing that the 50 goal scorer in Stamkos is done.

    I was one of the guys arguing that we should not bother. I have 2 reasons.

    Toronto Maple Leafs.

    Nuge is more valuable at 6/yr than Stamkos is at 11/yr.

    If this was pre-leg break Stamkos, he’s a top 5 player. Now he’s just a very good player.

  167. dustrock says:

    Quinlan: Good point.

    It was odd to see Draisaitl laboring so much when skating – just seemed slow and tired, a foot or two behind a lot of plays. Supports your idea.

    Only 15:55 TOI as well.

    Wonder if the flu or whatever is catching up to him.

  168. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy: 50% for 5 players out of 23.
    Its not like this template doesn’t work.

    The other half of that template is a player development machine.
    We are heading in the right direction in that regard. We wait.

    Anyone else got the Oiler watching blues besides me?
    McDavid can’t get back fast enough. I am so “meh” on this team right now.

    *fades away*

  169. stevezie says:

    dustrock,

    My personal hunch is it has more to do with St Louis leaving than the leg break but who can say?

  170. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Woodguy,

    Wasn’t familiar with that definition of scheduled loss. Thanks. To me it simply meant a game the Oilers have no business winning, given the competition, injuries, etc.

    Pencilled loss then? Colorado game is a loss in my books.

  171. Ryan says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Woodguy,

    Wasn’t familiar with that definition of scheduled loss. Thanks. To me it simply meant a game the Oilers have no business winning, given the competition, injuries, etc.

    Pencilled loss then? Colorado game is a loss in my books.

    A scheduled loss is in fact a specific term as per Woodguy’s definition.

  172. Woodguy says:

    PhrankLee,

    Toronto Maple Leafs.

    Nuge is more valuable at 6/yr than Stamkos is at 11/yr.

    I don’t understand what you mean by Toronto Maple Leafs.

    You also assume Stamkos is at $11MM.

    I wouldn’t want him for $11MM either.

  173. PhrankLee says:

    Woodguy: A “scheduled loss” is when a team is on the 2nd of a back to back AND 3rd in 4th nights on the road”

    That’s very specific. I think when the Oilers play a team that is flat out better in pretty much every way equals a scheduled loss.

    Back to back or not. 3 games in 4 nights or not.

    We played like 80 of them last year.

  174. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Woodguy,

    I ran 3m for Nurse and 6m for Drai and 8m each for Stamkos and McDavid. Without an 82m cap, it doesn’t really work unless you get rid of Eberle, Nuge and Pouliot and don’t add another 6m D.

    I just think adding, say, Buff for 6m does more for this team than adding Stamkos for 8m.

    A top pairing D that pushes everyone down the order one notch is a far bigger priority.

    But as others have said, if Tulo wants to come here, for the right price, you do it.

    I’m not against the idea of adding Stamkos but the math just doesn’t work.

    You say it does, I’d like to see your plan because…

    Hall (6)
    Drai (6)
    McDavid (8)
    Stamkos (8)

    Assuming those discounts for McStamkos, which are not guaranteed to happen, that’s 28m. Which is fine.

    Now add 5m for goalies. That’s 33m.

    1m each for a 4th line, say Lander/Khaira/Yakimov. That’s 36m.

    Add 2m for 2 extra forwards, say Pakarinen and Korpse. That’s 38m.

    Sekera and Klef are 9.6m. That’s 47.6m
    Nurse bridge deal at 3m is 50.6m
    Davidson bridge deal at 2m is 52.6m

    Are you keeping Nuge or trading him for a Jones type?
    If you keep him that’s 58.6m

    Leaves 12m to spend. Let’s say you can get Slepyshev at 2m to play LW to Stamkos-McDavid. That’s 60.6m and you have 10m left.

    Need a RW for the Hall-Drai line. Maybe Yak reups at 4m?

    64.6m covers:
    Slepy (2) McDavid (8) Stamkos (8)
    Hall (6) Drai (6) Yak (4)
    ??? Nuge (6) ???
    Khaira (1) Lander (1) Yakimov (1)
    Extras (2)

    Sekera (5.5)
    Klef (4.1)
    Nurse (3)
    Davidson (2)
    ???
    ???
    ???

    Talbot (2.5)
    Nilsson (2.5)

    5 bodies to fill at 6m is tough. This lineup is also top heavy. I don’t see balance here. Do you?

  175. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Ryan: A scheduled loss is in fact a specific term as per Woodguy’s definition.

    Yeah. Never knew that. Been using it all wrong, as Woodguy said. I will use pencilled loss then going forward. My ignorance.

  176. Woodguy says:

    dustrock: If this was pre-leg break Stamkos, he’s a top 5 player. Now he’s just a very good player.

    He scored 43 goals last year, post leg break, with Callahan as his center.

    That’s a bit more than “just a very good player”

  177. PhrankLee says:

    Woodguy: I don’t understand what you mean by Toronto Maple Leafs.

    I don’t think you’re that coy.

    I won’t bother explaining it if you are unable to understand why he will choose Toronto over every other team in the league.

    If he goes anywhere, and the horse isn’t out of the barn just yet in Tampa, it will be Toronto.

  178. Woodguy says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Yeah. Never knew that. Been using it all wrong, as Woodguy said. I will use pencilled loss then going forward. My ignorance.

    No worries, its just a hobby horse of mine.

    Its a betting term that started in Basketball.

    In NHL hockey a team with “a scheduled loss” is about 25% in those games and the line usually doesn’t reflect that so there is usually an edge in taking the other team.

  179. Woodguy says:

    PhrankLee: I don’t think you’re that coy.

    I won’t bother explaining it if you are unable to understand why he will choose Toronto over every other team in the league.

    If he goes anywhere, and the horse isn’t out of the barn just yet in Tampa, it will be Toronto.

    I’m not playing a guessing game on where he’s going to go.

    I’m arguing that it makes sense for the Oilers to pursue him and McKenzie mentioned EDM so its not out of the realm of possibility.

    I have no clue where he’ll go.

    Even if TOR was a 85% favorite to get him, it wouldn’t change my argument one iota.

  180. Woodguy says:

    NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker",

    I ran 3m for Nurse and 6m for Drai and 8m each for Stamkos and McDavid. Without an 82m cap, it doesn’t really work unless you get rid of Eberle, Nuge and Pouliot and don’t add another 6m D.

    I just think adding, say, Buff for 6m does more for this team than adding Stamkos for 8m.

    A top pairing D that pushes everyone down the order one notch is a far bigger priority.

    If you get Stamkos then:

    -You trade Eberle and RNH for the Dman help. You target well priced men in the mid-20’s.

    – I know this team needs D badly, Stamkos would free up 14 and 93 to be traded without losing a step.

    -A team with 4,97,29,Stamkos in the top 6 will attract quality UFAs to play the wings without overpaying, and probably at a discount.

  181. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Woodguy,

    Ok. So we are trading both Eberle and Nuge (12m) to add Stamkos (8m) and dunno, let’s say Jones+ .

    I can get on board with that if a good deal is available to be found on a D. But is there? Jones isn’t enough for Nuge alone right…so who is available in a trade that fits this team’s window that a team is willing to give up and take on salary?

    I’m all for adding a great player like Stamkos…I just see a lot of risk in the plan. That’s all.

  182. flea says:

    I thinkthe Stamkos item is just a way for his agent to increase leverage against the team his will ultimately sign for (likely Toronto). Edmonton is a perfect patsy for leveraging Toronto negotiations.

    If Stamkos only has one choice and everyone knows the choice he is going to make, it might be tough to get maximum value. But it he can threaten going to a place like Edmonton, that pushes up his value in Toronto.

  183. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Woodguy:
    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    I ran 3m for Nurse and 6m for Drai and 8m each for Stamkos and McDavid. Without an 82m cap, it doesn’t really work unless you get rid of Eberle, Nuge and Pouliot and don’t add another 6m D.


    I just think adding, say, Buff for 6m does more for this team than adding Stamkos for 8m.

    A top pairing D that pushes everyone down the order one notch is a far bigger priority.

    If you get Stamkos then:

    -You trade Eberle and RNH for the Dman help.You target well priced men in the mid-20’s.

    – I know this team needs D badly, Stamkos would free up 14 and 93 to be traded without losing a step.

    -A team with 4,97,29,Stamkos in the top 6 will attract quality UFAs to play the wings without overpaying, and probably at a discount.

    On your last point we agree fully. Had Slepy for cheap and do think there are plenty of Stempniak types out there. Also, though, wouldn’t they want to sign for cheap even with just the current forward group?

    I think so. I don’t think the cheap forwards to round out the top 9 are contingent on Stamkos coming here.

  184. Woodguy says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: On your last point we agree fully. Had Slepy for cheap and do think there are plenty of Stempniak types out there. Also, though, wouldn’t they want to sign for cheap even with just the current forward group?

    I think so. I don’t think the cheap forwards to round out the top 9 are contingent on Stamkos coming here.

    Agreed that you’ll need cheap forwards if Eberle and RNH are long term.

    I just think you attract a slightly better class of forward at a slightly lower price if its Stamko in the there instead of RNH. (who is the best center currently on the team)

  185. PhrankLee says:

    Woodguy: I’m arguing that it makes sense for the Oilers to pursue him and McKenzie mentioned EDM so its not out of the realm of possibility.

    Im with Bruce on this. Edmonton will be mentioned with every interesting player that comes up. Also there are only so many characters you can use in a tweet. Every team has a shot and would put out the feelers.

    I don’t see him taking a discounted amount to play with Edmonton. That would be stupid on his part.

    In fact until McDavid plays a full year I don’t see anyone taking a discount to play with him.

    We are still the Oilers after all.

    We are scraping for respectability. Slowly it is coming. But there is a long, long way to go.

    If we can threaten .500 hockey this year we have a chance to make playoffs next year.

    Calgary (fuck them) won their respect last year making the playoffs and all the math explaining why and how lucky they were does not supplant the fact. Results get respect. They won a series in the playoffs. They just won 7 games in a row. They are earning their respect.

    We won in Boston for the first time in 20 yrs, give or take.

  186. stevezie says:

    Woodguy,

    Anyone who says he is “done” is a fool, I think the feeling from the first page is his days the second best scorer in the league might be over. 42 goals yes, but only 72 points.

    Might be. Not are for sure over, just that it’s not smart for a team in the Oilers’ position to bet their future on him remaining elite.

    If he’ll come here for seven it’s a slam dunk. If he’ll come for eight it’s probably still a good idea not so much for him, but because then we can trade either RNH or Drai for a d-man without worry.

    Any more than that and I start to doubt.

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