TRADING THE NUGE

by Lowetide

Any trade of Ryan Nugent-Hopkins must also include a very good center coming back. This is my opinion. Why? The Oilers top two centermen after a Nuge deal would be Connor McDavid (18) and Leon Draisaitl (20). No damn way you go to war without better cover for your most valuable assets. I don’t think this deal makes sense, despite the attractive defensemen being discussed. If you trade Nuge for Seth Jones, and he turns into something spectacular? Excellent! I don’t like it because Edmonton takes the risk. Shea Weber? That contract is an albatross, and Weber won’t be a big enough help at 35 to cover the money on his deal. Unless you can trade Nuge for Seth Jones and Steven Stamkos, I don’t see the sense on this deal.

https://twitter.com/NicholsOnHockey/status/679484584522743808

Jones is a fabulous young player, but he is not proven at the highest levels. He is 6.04, 205 and at 21, there are miles of good arrows for Jones. His resume covers a lot of needs for Edmonton (he can play a lot, RH, big shot from the point, great possession numbers). Jones is not an integral part of the Nashville defense, but good lord man there is a tremendous amount of quality. Jones does not occupy the highest level on the depth chart, but it is a helluva depth chart.

PREDS BLUE

From what I can suss out, Josi—Weber are the No. 1 pairing and get the hose on full (tough opposition and situations) and Ellis—Ekholm are the second pairing. Jackman—Jones get the good stuff, but as the Corsi Rel indicates the duo is making good time with the open spaces and new blacktop. Can Jones flourish higher up the batting order?

  • Nurse—Sekera
  • Klefbom—Jones
  • Davidson—Schultz

Thoughts? Mine are: Very young again, fabulous prospect, depends on the price. Trading for Seth Jones means more growing pains and does not offer the team a clear path to the postseason, 2017 spring. That’s my opinion.

MONEY’S TOO TIGHT TO MENTION

  • Elliotte Friedman: Last week, he (Nashville GM David Poile) told The Tennessean’s Adam Vingan, “I have no interest in touching my defence, but if there was going to a trade here — I’m just being very bottom-line with you — whenever I talk to a team and I’m asking about forwards, they’re asking about one of our defencemen. You can fill in the blanks.” Source

The Predators are a great match for Edmonton based on strengths and weaknesses. I would say a Nuge for Josi trade is ideal for the Oilers, not so much for the Preds (and there is the damnable lefty-righty issue).

THE NUGE IN A BOX

NUGE BOXCARS

Lots of talk this week about the Nuge’s poor season, so let’s have a look under the hood. Based on his own established levels, we should assume RNH to post about .700/game in offense. We can quibble over his 5×5 totals this year, but it has been an up and down year for linemates. For instance, Nuge hasn’t posted a crooked number during 146:38 with Benoit Pouliot. That is crazy, will change and in my experience once you identify this kind of anomaly the world shifts and takes care of it.

I find it difficult to make a case for RNH losing ground as an offensive player this season. In fact, I think it is possible we will see a grand spike when he is returned to the Hall-Leon line (Nuge scored 3.03 per 60 at 5×5 with Draisaitl earlier in the season).

I know it is popular to beat up on the Nuge these days, now that Jeff Petry is gone people are casting about for someone to torture. I would suggest trying to cut down the Nuge is akin to pissing in the wind. He is bona fide.

NUGE FANCY

NUGE FANCY

Here we have a chance to view RNH in terms of deployment and results/60. Since arriving in the NHL, he has been a substantial part of the NHL team. Since turning 20, he plays one period per game—through (now) four coaches he is valued and has delivered consistent offense. He is also the best two-way center on the team and is used in difficult situations—even more now that Boyd Gordon is in the desert.

(All stats via BTN and War-on-Ice).

LAST 10 GAMES

In the last 10 games, Nuge is 2-4-6, -6. The offense came at evens and his line is certainly the second best offensive line on the team. The -6 means he has been on the ice for a lot of things going the wrong way and I think that probably feeds the rumors.

Folks, it is literally insane to make decisions (or form opinions) on a 10-game sample. You know this. You will read in the comments section today that RNH is never going to get better, that comparisons to Datsyuk or Keon are folly. I would suggest to you that anyone—me, you, Santa—who makes sweeping statements is less interested in the truth and more interested in framing the issue. We have substantial evidence going back years on this player, he is quality and we should be patient even in the face of a period of difficulty.

PETER CHIARELLI, PETER CHIARELLI

You don’t bring in a veteran GM to create one hole to address another. You bring in a veteran GM to patiently address weakness while not exposing his most valuable assets to undue (and early) stress, and you make massive moves in the clear light of day, after evaluating all you can survey under your own roof. There may come a day when trading Nuge makes sense. It is not today.

If you are going to trade the Nuge, then trade his ass. Do not ask for my endorsement and do not be surprised when I hammer you for one full decade over it. And if the return is Seth Jones, please be patient with him. He is not yet the sum of his parts, but he is a fantastic young talent. Pray Steven Stamkos is the other shoe to drop come summer.

GOOD DAY SUNSHINE

Even with all of the crap and corruption, Edmonton is one of the three most improved teams in the NHL this Christmastime. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is part of that success and could be a major contributor to a Stanley in Edmonton. Do not let anyone tell you otherwise. There is no good reason to trade him for a 21-year old defenseman beyond moving the holes on the team, and the down side (exposing McDavid to Kopitar and the rest of the WC) is extreme.

No to trading the Nuge at this time. If Stamkos is coming here in summer, we can talk. No to trading Nuge at this time. It is the right thing to do.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

seberg

At 10 this morning, we will try to keep the Festivus Pole planted on the floor and our minds on the task at hand. Scheduled to appear, TSN1260.

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey. Trading Nuge, and robbing from one area to address the other.
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. A season of progress for some of Canada’s NHL teams, but there are clouds and rain in other parts of the country.
  • Lt_Eric and I will have the top 10 sporting moments in Edmonton this year.Feats of strength galore!

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. 90 minutes!

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GCW_69

Bruce McCurdy: So taking your hand off your stick to tug another player is a penalty at low speeds (see: 100s of holding calls every season) but it’s absolutely fine when one of the guys is going 40 kph? Alrighty then.

We’re going to have to agree to disagree on this one. It was holding at minimum, and the more I see it the more I see boarding.

As for that “minor” injury McDavid has missed more time than practically anybody else in the NHL currently on IR. Likely to be half the season when done.

I agree, it was boarding. The point of some of these penalties is to protect players from injuries. Getting spun into the boards at 40 kms/hr qualifies as unnecessarily dangerous and should be a significant penalty to protect the player.

OilHub

So I have read a lot of trading one of our core under 25 players to get a # 1 D for a while now and want to ask those in favor of trading Nuge this, who is currently one of the Top teams in the NHL that have only one of their D at 32 points while the rest of the D on the team range from 2-14 pts? John Klingberg is Dallas top D man, do you believe that Nurse or Klef will become at least Klingberg quality? My point is patience we have three maybe four good young D men in Klef, Nurse, Davidson and Reinhart. Keep our core and let these 3-4 guys grow and take the #1 D without sacrificing our Center depth.
Merry Christmas!

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I have been thinking about the team’s future and Chiarelli’s preference for heaviness and I have a lot of scenarios rolling around my brain like an Eberle for Stamkos deal (it might be the fabled 3 for 3 type of deal – hoping Stamkos might take a pay cut to play with the O talent on this roster when he re-ups) or Nuge for Jones (this would be an off-season trade after a UFA signing) or Klefbom (durability concerns) for Hamonic. And of course how to get rid of Schultz, Korpikoski and Fayne. In addition to the thoughts above I have had thoughts about how we could fit in Backes, Lucic and Byfuglien under the salary cap (would they entertain thoughts of discounted deals to play with McDavid)….

Anyhoo, in doing so I stumbled across this site: http://nhlarmchairgm.com/index.php

Happy Festivus!

SoCaloil

Having three rookie center man is hardly depth, it’s actually the first time in ages this team had 3C period.

We traded for Reinhart, another year and we have Sekera, Klef, Nurse, Davidson, Reinhart
That means we need to sign one Veteran UFA
I see Klef being a 2D so why trade up, be patient

I said it before and I’ll say it again
We trade Nuge I’m done!

wintoon

Lowetide,

Agree Fully. Just because we have some real strength at centre for the first time in years, it doesn’t mean we have to spend those assets right now.

Just as we have been saying for the past several years, we need to be patient. Patience is probably more important now than it was at any time in the past five years. A mistake at this point in time could unravel this whole thing and that, my friends, would be an epic tragedy.

AsiaOil

Bank Shot,

Agree and I would also add that Weber’s got relatively few miles on his body since he hasn’t seen much in the way of playoff time in NASH and he just might want to win now that he’s already rich. It’s the only thing he hasn’t got – a Stanley Cup ring. I think he will be fine well into his mid-late 30s. We don’t need any more young guys. We need a veteran leader on defense and Weber’s age is right and his style would suit EDM fans pretty well I expect.

To the trade no one crowd. Do you want to win or sit around watching kids develop by sundial? I’m personally sick of losing and watching teams laugh at the Oilers. Who do you think they are laughing at? I have my opinion. Boys trying to play a man’s game. I’d like to have a few more guys like Weber on the team to wipe the smirks of their faces permanently. Keep Hopkins or trade him – whatever – he’ll be the 3rd best center on the team within 2 years. I’d deal anyone to make the team bigger, tougher, faster and more skilled. I’d deal anyone to win – and I think the GM feels similarly.

Bank Shot

godot10:
I think there are very few defensemen out there that Chiarelli would trade Nugent-Hopkins for. And a centre has to be coming back in the deal with a defensemen.

1) Weber’s cap hit for 10-years is an absolute franchise destroyer.The pain hits right as McDavid is peaking.
2) 90-95 percent of 30-something players decline quickly.There is extreme survival bias which get Ference and their ilk contracts.30-something players who don’t decline quickly are the exception.

1) Weber’s cap hit is fine. He doesn’t have a no trade clause so the Oilers can trade him at anytime. At the age of 37 his real salary drops to $3 million so he’d be easy to trade to teams with internal budgets that want to fill up cap space.

Weber’s cap recapture penalty is only $2.5 million for the Oilers at 35 and ~$0.6 million at 36 so if he starts to fall off that age it is no problem to get rid of him.

2) Perennial All Stars are always an exception. When you look at most of the older players that player past 35 and are effective it is superstar level players. Weber is one of those, so he has a better chance than most to remain effective into NHL old age.

dangilitis

GriffCity:
I don’t think you move Nuge right now. Even though he is having a not so very good season and could easily be the third line center on this team in the near future.

Not many teams pay their third line center 6 mil per – food for thought

I would LOVE to see a Yakupov + Schultz + a pick for a Seth Jones type deal. Nashville may want a D-man coming back the other way. Wonder if they’d bite on that

Not many teams pay 1.85 million combined to their top 2 Centers. Max bonuses brings that number to 7.175 mil, but you get the idea. Point taken, though, it would be very challenging to pay RNH 6+ if you see him as a #3 C. I think that Todd McLellan sees him as a top 6 forward…

square_wheels

Back to UFA D, other than size, what don’t we like about Goligoski ? 20+ min D, played 81 games on both of the last 2 seasons, typically in the .35-.45 PPG.

He’s about a 100lbs lighter than Buff but can he run a PP, make accurate passes and skate the puck out of danger ?

Ryan

Lowetide: I disagree. Oilers don’t have enough depth to trade Nuge, meaning that in fact they have NO position of strength.

Sure Lander and Testube are mud, but I don’t know how you can argue that McDavid, Nuge, and Draisatl aren’t an embarrassment of riches–when they’re all healthy at the same time.

Those are three centres that most teams in the league would individually covet.

It’s at the very least a relative position of strength.

oilswell

Well argued LT: no to trading Nugent-Hopkins early.

A little disingenuous about framing versus truth though. With Draisaitl, Nugent-Hopkins and McDavid as potential high end centres, it is the ONLY possible position of strength that one could reasonably argue can be used to shore up weaknesses in other areas.

“Robbing”? “Holes”?

Not exactly un-framing neutral language to my eye.

Centre of attention

Lowetide:
June 25, 2013. Begins with the post at 5:48 pm

https://lowetide.ca/2013/06/25/2013-entry-draft-post-22-the-mckenzie/

Scrolling threw the comments on that thread is gold.

“Long term contract for Gagner? Sounds great!”

or

“Its going to take a big chunk of change to sign Sam, but I’m OK with that”

Oh how times have changed.

N64

steveb12344: Ya, he was reading off a site called Oilogosphere.com, which listed all manner of Oiler related blogs.I guess he read one of your blogs and then it had one from R.C. at Hockeybuzz listed right after it so the guy was convinced that you posted it.

It then spurred on a whole pile of Cloutier jokes…Good times.

So much mirth and merriment in the OELogosphere.

steveb12344

Lowetide: Oh yeah, I remember that. Crap. Cloutier? Don’t remember. I do recall posting several times that this blog hadn’t published it but he kept on going.

Ya, he was reading off a site called Oilogosphere.com, which listed all manner of Oiler related blogs. I guess he read one of your blogs and then it had one from R.C. at Hockeybuzz listed right after it so the guy was convinced that you posted it.

It then spurred on a whole pile of Cloutier jokes…Good times.

steveb12344

“Steve Smith”:
On the subject of memes, one that I always thought should have caught on more around here was that time that commenter starting going off on LT about how it was a disgrace that LT was publishing the work of some writer that the commenter thought was crap (N.B. LT had never published this writer’s work).We all had fun with that one for a while, but then it kind of fell off the map.Can anybody remember which writer it was?This was, I don’t know, a couple of years ago, or so.Give or take a couple of years.

It was Richard Cloutier

"Steve Smith"

On the subject of memes, one that I always thought should have caught on more around here was that time that commenter starting going off on LT about how it was a disgrace that LT was publishing the work of some writer that the commenter thought was crap (N.B. LT had never published this writer’s work). We all had fun with that one for a while, but then it kind of fell off the map. Can anybody remember which writer it was? This was, I don’t know, a couple of years ago, or so. Give or take a couple of years.

"Steve Smith"

Halfwise: Someone showing up for the first time would believe that posters here were lunatics.

From the mouths of babes…

"Steve Smith"

Cahoon:
People on the internet with their offer sheet mania are just befuddling. Offer Sheets don’t work unless they are an absolute overpay, and they burn bridges. Someone name me the last time the team giving an O.S. won the situation.

Vanek?

Halfwise

Магия 10: fixed that for you. meme meet meme.

Магия 10: fixed that for you. meme meet meme.

That is beautiful.

Someone showing up for the first time would believe that posters here were lunatics.

The best part of inside jokes is not in the explaining of them, but in being an insider and knowing what is going on.

Thank you to our gracious host for the tone of this blog, along with the echoes and harmonics.

Now, back to trading away the core…

stevezie

Woodguy,

I enthusiastically endorse a huge two year deal. I’m surprised more teams don’t offer them- or maybe more players don’t take them?

The oil would clearly have been better off giving Ference the same money over three years, crazy as it would have seemed.

N64

commonfan14: somebody will post the following comment on the GDT:
“Hey, remember when Woodguy was talking about trading Nuge? Seems like a different world now that he finally has 50 points.”

fixed that for you. meme meet meme.

v4ance

Chris Nichols ‏@NicholsOnHockey
Dreger: “It feels like Ladd isn’t going anywhere. I think they’re going to get that deal done. But Byfuglien – it’s too quiet.” #NHLJets

Speaking of bad deals… Ladd’s new deal is going to be bad. It’s going to be Horcoff-syndrome in a few years for Ladd…

rickithebear

there are 349 fwds that have played 20gm this year.
Forwards in the top 15 PPG and there comp rank
#1 Kane 1.39 PPG #273 comp -.053
#2 Seguin 131PPG #180 comp -.014
#2 Benn 1.31 PPG #187 Comp -.016
#4 Draisatl1.20 PPG #37 comp .050
#5 Hall 1.10 PPG #10 comp .099
#6 Tarasenko 1.09 PPG #97 comp .017
#6 Gaudreau 1.09 PPG #117
#9 Pavelski 1.06 PPG #57 .037
#10 Wheeler 1.03 PPG #4 Comp .127
#10 Backstrom1.03 PPG #91 comp .020
#10 Hoffman 1.03 PPG #34 comp .051
#13 D. Sedin1.00 PPG #177 comp -.030 1.00 #13 PPG
#14 Bergeron .97 PPG #40 comp .047

the list of upper 1st comp and near 1PPG
Draisatl – He is curently the best Off center in the game.Seguin facing bot 2nd /upper 3rd comp does not cut it!
Hall
Wheeler
these 2 left wingers top 10 comp top 10 PPG
Hoffman 1 surprise
Bergeron 1 veteran anchor.

Rest of the 15 toughest comp faced:
#1 Pageau .135 .371 PPG
#2 Ladd .132 .617 PPG
#2 Spaling .132 .167 PPG
#4 Little .127 .823 #38 PPG
#4 Wheeler
#6 Eberle .124 .500 PPG – .800 PPG last 10
#7 Toews .112 .583
#8 Winnik .111 .367 PPG
#9 Pouliot .100 .462 PPG
#10 Hall
#11 RNH .095 .677 PPG
#11 Stepan .095 .462
#13 Hossa .094 .516 PPG
#14 Crosby .090 .688 PPG
#15 Lazar .089 .250 PPG

this is the e 1st year we see crosby facing tough comp and not sharing the lower comp. .688 PPG and 1.09 to 1.68 PPG in last 4 seasons.
gives us a better measure of PvP versus soft comp.
All this “What is wrong with crosby?”
He’s facing tough comp People!

Heep:
RNH will face the 2 best off centers in the game at practice!

Walter Sobchak

speeds,

Again, I agree. The OS is a tool that has to be used. The game is about competition, not whether you offen one of the 29 other teams.

It’s a conference team with cash problem, the Oilers have the room, can easily make more room.

The Oilers have 99 problems but Cap issue ain’t one.

square_wheels

Woodguy,

You mean he only has to show up in shape 2x ?

Sign him !!

stevezie:
Buff is not the only UFA damn who would fit here. Spare some time to dream about Yandle, Goligoski, Hamuis, Couburn…

Agreed that Buff is the best mix of “good player” and “might actually make it to UFA” though.

I’ve always had time for Hamhuis but he’s 33. Not sure hes ideal and if we would want to make THAT bet again.

Oil2Oilers

Of the 93 things I would do before trading Nuge here are some subtractions from the defence corps;

* Ference (LTIR from September 1st) free’s up cap room if required
* Nikitin – good luck in future endeavours (or traded for a late round pick at deadline)
* Fayne – Traded to SJ and Peter DeBoer who used to run him a top pairing defender
* Gryba – Traded for a late round pick (Reinhart and Musil both are capable of doing his job today)
* Schultz – Traded for a mid round pick

For next year that leaves;
Klebom-???
Nurse-Sekara
Davidson-Reinhart
Philip Larsen

The ??? can be filled with the assets made available above, the ample cap room and future picks. It is really 5 for 1.

Woodguy

stevezie:
Buff is not the only UFA damn who would fit here. Spare some time to dream about Yandle, Goligoski, Hamuis, Couburn…

Agreed that Buff is the best mix of “good player” and “might actually make it to UFA” though.

Only Hamhouse is near the same conversation as Buff.

They other Dmen are good NHLers, but a class below.

Woodguy

stevezie:
Buff is not the only UFA damn who would fit here. Spare some time to dream about Yandle, Goligoski, Hamuis, Couburn…

Agreed that Buff is the best mix of “good player” and “might actually make it to UFA” though.

The correct play on Buff is to offer 2 years at 7.5 or 8 as the Oilers can afford it under the cap.

Keeps you away from a shitty long term deal.

When Buff falls off the cliff it will rattle the windows.

Woodguy

Bruce McCurdy: So taking your hand off your stick to tug another player is a penalty at low speeds (see: 100s of holding calls every season) but it’s absolutely fine when one of the guys is going 40 kph? Alrighty then.

We’re going to have to agree to disagree on this one. It was holding at minimum, and the more I see it the more I see boarding.

As for that “minor” injury McDavid has missed more time than practically anybody else in the NHL currently on IR. Likely to be half the season when done.

If McDavid’s skate doesn’t catch a rut it’s a nothing play.

I blame Laforge.

stevezie

Buff is not the only UFA damn who would fit here. Spare some time to dream about Yandle, Goligoski, Hamuis, Couburn…

Agreed that Buff is the best mix of “good player” and “might actually make it to UFA” though.

Woodguy

Lowetide: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins scored 50 points as a rookie. LONG after that, people would forget and then post things like ‘why do we keep talking about his offense when he doesn’t have 50 points in a season yet” and it became a meme, I think you youngsters call it.

The entire thing may have grown out of Sam Gagner’s inability to actually reach 50 points, but it was awhile ago and I forget.

You have it right.

A poster (whose sn is lost in time) was bitching about RNH and how he hadn’t scored 50pts.

This was after the lockout year.

RNH had scored 52 in his rookie year and pro-rated his 2nd (lock out) year would have been 50 too.

He has scored 56 in the last 2 years and every year some wag brings up that he’s hasn’t scored 50.

Don’t remember it ever having a Goneyay angle though.

ashley

Bruce McCurdy: So taking your hand off your stick to tug another player is a penalty at low speeds (see: 100s of holding calls every season) but it’s absolutely fine when one of the guys is going 40 kph? Alrighty then.

We’re going to have to agree to disagree on this one. It was holding at minimum, and the more I see it the more I see boarding.

As for that “minor” injury McDavid has missed more time than practically anybody else in the NHL currently on IR. Likely to be half the season when done.

Bruce, thanks for your comment. It looks to me that Manning pushes his hip. That is not holding. Players take one hand off their stick all the time to push into another player. I don’t see the penalty. If McDavid doesn’t lose his balance, this is a nothing play filed along with all the other nothing plays in every game of the year. We will have to disagree on this.

Sure, it has cost McDavid a significant amount of time. But my point was that all three players went into the boards dangerously. Manning’s mechanism was capable of putting him in a wheelchair for the rest of his life. Watch Manning carefully and can you tell me your heart doesn’t skip a beat?

So, yes, a fractured bone….any long bone, but especially a collarbone is a minor injury.

AsiaOil

No I’d be in the room drinking scotch with you – factoring in contract – he is worth at least as much if not more. Would prefer a bit more snarl but he’s a fine dman.

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
AsiaOil,

I would make the argument that with contracts factored in, Roman Josi is worth more than Shea Weber in the same way Hjalmarsson may be worth more than Seabrook.

But I’d probably be alone in that argument.

blainer

sliderule:
Cahoon,

Jones is hardly unknown for oiler hockey fans.

During his draft year it was either him or Nate for number one.

He was an older draftee barely missing the cut from year before.

Jones played for a powerhouse junior team while Nurse who is four months youngerplayed for an average team yet their junior boxes are similar.

Nurse is way more physical than Jones and a better defender.

Nurse is a better puck carrier than Jones

Jones is more skilled thanNurse on the power play.

Nurse is faster than Jones but at this point not as agile.

They both have a chance at being a number one but I like Nurse’s chances better.

Agreed.

Felt this way on their draft day.

sliderule

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

Oiler fans are too quiet and respectful .

If you see these calls in Chicago and New York the rafters would reverberate with “Refs suck ”

Beleive it or not noise intimidates.

Snowman

Hope is a good thing:
Pre-season letter to RNH to help prepare for 2015/16:
1. Get ready to face Kopitar, Getzlaf, Backes, Benn, Sedin, Thornton etc., as you will be facing all the best #1 centres. Better beef up!
2. Oh, by the way, you won’t have your regular wingers (Pouliott and Eberle very much), so figure out how to shut down entire number 1 lines too.
3.Forgot to mention, the defence will be a bit of chaos, don’t count on much help there – we’re really going to need you to skate miles – train those legs!
4. As far as the goalies go, especially in the first part of the season, don’t count on NHL average ‘tending – maybe you could work on your shot-blocking as well?
5. Connor, Yak, Klef, (and remember Ebs and Pou) are all going to be hurt for extended time frames, and the 3/4 centres aren’t going to score a lick, so we’re going to need you to pick up your offence while you’re at it – work on that shot.
6. If you can’t overcome all of these things by yourself, be prepared to face intense media and fan scrutiny, and calls for you to be traded ASAP.

Enjoy your summer and remember to train hard for these things – they will happen!

So Oilers…

This is really funny.

blainer

Hope is a good thing:
Pre-season letter to RNH to help prepare for 2015/16:
1. Get ready to face Kopitar, Getzlaf, Backes, Benn, Sedin, Thornton etc., as you will be facing all the best #1 centres. Better beef up!
2. Oh, by the way, you won’t have your regular wingers (Pouliott and Eberle very much), so figure out how to shut down entire number 1 lines too.
3.Forgot to mention, the defence will be a bit of chaos, don’t count on much help there – we’re really going to need you to skate miles – train those legs!
4. As far as the goalies go, especially in the first part of the season, don’t count on NHL average ‘tending – maybe you could work on your shot-blocking as well?
5. Connor, Yak, Klef, (and remember Ebs and Pou) are all going to be hurt for extended time frames, and the 3/4 centres aren’t going to score a lick, so we’re going to need you to pick up your offence while you’re at it – work on that shot.
6. If you can’t overcome all of these things by yourself, be prepared to face intense media and fan scrutiny, and calls for you to be traded ASAP.

Enjoy your summer and remember to train hard for these things – they will happen!

So Oilers…

Ha !!

Well said. I do think though that 90% of the people here are not trading Nuge. to do so is crazy talk.

Nuge will shut down all this chatter in the next month or two when this team is healthy and on a long winning streak..

blainer

Lowetide:
I think trading Nuge makes sense WHEN the Oilers have a more experienced MacDavid/Leon and IF they still need that No. 1 D. The money this summer may buy them a replacement without giving up an asset, or a lesser asset.

This is the way it’s going to play out.

Chia has not had one game when his team is healthy. We are going to be a power house up front when we are healthy and the D we have now are gonna look miles better .. Jultz included.

I would consider trading Nuge in the off season but only if we land Stamkos.

Hall Stamkos Drai

Poo CMD Ebs

Even with Stamkos I would still consider keeping Nuge. That top six would outscore any mistakes.

I really think we need the rest of the year to assess the D we have. Davidson and Nurse are getting great experience and Griff may turn out ready in the back half also..

Any word on Reinhart.. is he injured ?

Dicky94

One d man I think the Oil should target is Sustr from Tampa. If Stamkos is traded or signs elsewhere, Tampa will be looking for some scoring. Possibly Yak? Definately not The Nuge though. I want to see that kid receive the cup from Hall in a couple years.

square_wheels

Hey does anyone have an idea when Mackenzie is going to release preliminary draft order ? With the world Jr’s starting in just 3 days we typically are scouting a top player, who is the guy this year ??

I think we should be looking at players ranked 4-10.

BPA this year or need ?

Wait, do I have to ask that here ? (BPA is the answer for anyone new around these parts) ?

Pouzar

Bruce McCurdy: So taking your hand of your stick to tug another player is a penalty at low speeds (see: 100s of holding calls every season) but it’s absolutely fine when one of the guys is going 40 kph? Alrighty then.

We’re going to have to agree to disagree on this one. It was holding at minimum, and the more I see it the more I see boarding.

As for that “minor” injury McDavid has missed more time than practically anybody else in the NHL currently on IR. Likely to be half the season when done.

I think McDavid agrees with you.

Pouzar

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: But I’d probably be alone in that argument.

Not at all.

Bruce McCurdy,

It was definitely holding. 2 mins wouldn’t have made a difference in the long run, but it seems clear the refs feel the Oilers need to grow up to “earn” some calls. The hook called on Nuge followed by the hook on Nuge not called in the Winnipeg game is case in point. The NBA is notorious for this and Michael Jordan in his hey day got every benefit of the doubt. Much like Toews seems to, for example, now.

One day the Oilers’ day will come. And the fans of other teams will complain about how the Oilers always get all the calls.

It has always been thus. It is ridiculous. They should make calls by the rulebook. But we know this isn’t the M.O.

square_wheels

speeds,

Yes to both players, the swede in Chicago is what spurgeon is in Minnesota.

A damn good hockey player, that consistently makes his partners better.

Bruce McCurdy

ashley:
I was just reviewing the McDavid injury more closely:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z3YfNMBXc0

It doesn’t look like a dirty play at all.Manning is badly beaten in a short distance and pushes on McDavid’s hip in a desperate attempt to limit the quality of the scoring chance.I don’t think you could even call that a penalty

So taking your hand off your stick to tug another player is a penalty at low speeds (see: 100s of holding calls every season) but it’s absolutely fine when one of the guys is going 40 kph? Alrighty then.

We’re going to have to agree to disagree on this one. It was holding at minimum, and the more I see it the more I see boarding.

As for that “minor” injury McDavid has missed more time than practically anybody else in the NHL currently on IR. Likely to be half the season when done.

sliderule

Cahoon,

Jones is hardly unknown for oiler hockey fans.

During his draft year it was either him or Nate for number one.

He was an older draftee barely missing the cut from year before.

Jones played for a powerhouse junior team while Nurse who is four months younger played for an average team yet their junior boxes are similar.

Nurse is way more physical than Jones and a better defender.

Nurse is a better puck carrier than Jones

Jones is more skilled than Nurse on the power play.

Nurse is faster than Jones but at this point not as agile.

They both have a chance at being a number one but I like Nurse’s chances better.