SMOKE ON THE WATER

by Lowetide

The Edmonton Oilers needed a win last night, and they got it. It took until the shootout, but the point for this team in 2015-16 is to chase the second season, push away from the second division, and hopefully find themselves in a new place, in a brand new day. Yes. Last night was important.

MACHINE HEAD, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in October 2014: 4-5-1
  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-8-0
  • Oilers in November 2014: 2-9-3
  • Oilers in November 2015: 4-7-2
  • Oilers in December 2014: 2-8-4
  • Oilers in December 2015: 7-6-1
  • Oilers in January 2015: 5-7-1
  • Oilers in January 2016: 1-0-0
  • Oilers after 40 in 2014-15: 9-22-9, 27 points (-52 GD)
  • Oilers after 40 in 2015-16: 16-21-3, 35 points (-22 GD)

The long December gave us reason to believe, maybe this year will be better than the last. It started well but faded, but most of the difference in this team’s record year over year comes from the twelfth month. Oilers are on pace for 72 points now, that would represent a 10-point increase, and the best season since Tom Renney’s second campaign in Edmonton. Chiarelli and McLellan both talked about pain in their opening media avails, this is us.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

oilers blue nov 30

  • Some very nice performances in the game yesterday afternoon. Overall, the defense gave up three goals, but the deployment by Todd McLellan appeared solid.
  • Nurse—Scultz played together and saw (mostly) either the Richardson or Vermette line. Nurse was 3-8 against Boedker and 5-6 against the Richardson line, with the duo dominating the Domi line. Schultz was 4-9 against Boedker and 4-1 against Richardson. Schultz had a great chance in OT but couldn’t cash, Nurse had his best moment point blank against Boedker, his worst on the first GA when he was neither fish nor foul. You have to defend or be aggressive, but you can’t be neither. I think McLellan is wise to give the rookie a lesser role.
  • If Nurse—Schultz was the third pairing, I would be fine with it. Seriously. This was the first game since returning from injury that Schultz appeared to be on target with his passes. It is a big deal.
  • Hunt—Gryba were the third pairing and saw the Richardson line a lot. One weird item: In terms of TOI with the Leon-Hall line, this duo received over half (Hunt was on for 8:08 of Hall’s total EV TOI). Someone mentioned it in the GDT and it appears to be true. Something to follow—this would be an extension of the Klefbom-Schultz pairing of a year ago—in that McLellan appears to be actively seeking offensive situations for Hunt.
  • Sekera—Davidson saw the top line more than anyone (Sekera saw Boedker 8:43, Davidson 8:20, Schultz saw him 4:55) so their deficit at 5×5 comes from tough opposition (AS 8-12 v Boedker). I liked the pairing overall, both have excellent cover and recover skills—hope we see them again. Sekera’s passing wasn’t at normal levels and Davidson made a dog whistle pinch that cost a goal, but good lord the shot was perfect so I am not upset enough to suggest this pairing should be broken off.
  • OEL saw D the following TOI at evens: Sekera 8:09; Schultz 8:08; Davidson 7:43; Nurse 7:16; Hunt 4:45; Gryba 4:03.
  • There is no doubt in my mind the Oilers have been feeding minutes to Nurse in an effort to get him indoctrinated, but the young man is having some tough moments. No matter how good he is, Nurse can’t go fast enough to get there early. Defense is a tough position to play well. If he sees Bakersfield again, don’t panic.

CENTERS, LAST NIGHT

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  • Leon Draisaitl and his line once again got a bit of a matchup break (Richardson 6:44; Tikhnov 3:36; Vermette 2:15, Chipchura 1:16) on the forward group, but saw OEL more than the Nuge line (7:01 to 5:31), so pick your poison. His trio cashed on a fantastic goal to tie it 1-1, and that pass for the goal was sublime. Wonderful player, opposition are starting to take some shots, though. Took a vicious (uncalled) elbow.
  • Ryan Nugent-Hopkins to my eye had a fine game. Great pass to Eberle on the tying goal (with major credit to the goal scorer) and his group saw the Vermette line for 6:03 (7-6). I think this line was far more engaged on the evening (they grabbed five points). Looks to me as though everyone is back to do health-wise, that is probably part of the performance we saw in this game.
  • Anton Lander may end up with a great possession number, but he seems to be also in photo on any offensive opportunities this year. I am in full fret mode over his Oilers future. Had one individual scoring chance according to War-on-Ice, I scooped the information from them again.
  • Mark Letestu was -2 on the night, but picked up an assist on a PP goal. I think he might end up as a utility player on this team when they’re good. Weird skill set, kind of opposite Zack Smith (who I wanted for this role). I wish he had more creativity at 5×5.

WINGERS, LAST NIGHT

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  • Hall—Purcell were effective to my eye, felt Hall was a going concern all game, seven shots and pushed the river. I feel sorry for people who don’t get how special he is as a player. Purcell got a point, sent the puck in a smart direction and is textbook consistency.
  • Pouliot—Eberle were high event and I think we are about to see this line take off in a good way. Too many penalties from Pouliot, but I like his physical play and he was involved. Eberle is ridiculous.
  • Khaira—Klinkhammer had one or two moments, Khaira seems to have a decent idea about getting the puck to the net and is a good passer. He had two shot attempts, one scoring chance in 6:41, doubt he will be in the NHL when everyone is back but this was a nice first look. Klinkhammer is dogged on the fore and backcheck, that is kind of his deal. Is it enough?
  • Korpikoski—Hendricks didn’t have much going on the night to my eye, but I do like the effort of this line. They show up every night.

talbot capture 3

I thought the goalie had a good game, the EV SP is a little low but one of the goals was a perfect shot (seriously, look at that damn thing) and the first goal involved some spectators from his side. Talbot has a nice opportunity here and I liked his overall play and the rebounds didn’t seem to be sponsored by Kevlar (to my eye, far from an expert). Got two points, didn’t get run over by the Zamboni—that is a good night.

It was an important win for the Oilers, and I think the fans deserve a nice winning streak as payment for a dull two weeks around Christmas. One of the things Edmonton appears to be doing a lot on defense is showcasing, and that may or may not involve all of Justin Schultz, Brad Hunt and Eric Gryba. The only keepers I see for Edmonton’s defense next year and beyond are Andrej Sekera, Oscar Klefbom, Darnell Nurse, Brandon Davidson and Griffin Reinhart.

https://twitter.com/marcyTHW/status/681937848774340608

I think Marcy frames the issue well here, there are components to that trade that are important to make clear. In trading No. 16 and No. 33 for a defenseman currently in Bakersfield, Peter Chiarelli made a tactical error that is impacting his team. In not buying out Nikita Nikitin during the Justin Schultz window—followed by signing Cody Franson—he robbed this year’s team of badly needed defensive oxygen.

None of that has to do with Griffin Reinhart the player, who did not make the trade and can only impact the league he plays in. I saw him (and other Condors) last night for a couple periods, and here are my quick hits on some players:

  • Laurent Brossoit was incredible, making great saves in waves. There was one in OT that defied logic and reason—breathtaking.
  • Zack Kassian moved well, hit and got hit, missed an open net by a mile but he is one prospect in Bakersfield we know has NHL ability. He played a lot, suggesting the Oilers want him up to speed in a quick hurry.
  • Griffin Reinhart played a steady game save for the spectacular defensive sortie late in the game where he impeded progress enough for a certain goal (might have been a penalty).
  • Jordan Oesterle can fly. Holy hell.
  • Joey Laleggia supplied offense on every shift and quarterbacked the power play effectively. A very creative offensive player.
  • Anton Slepyshev was barely noticeable.
  • Greg Chase had some nice moments, I think he is going to be one of the better AHL rookies down there this season.
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BONVIE

admiralmark: The comparable i keep thinking of for Reinhart is Steve Smith. I can see him being that player. And despite the major guffaw.. I think Steve Smith was a valuable commodity.

Kevin Lowe for me.

AsiaOil

Agree – but Ebs is and may always be better – and Yak is tough as nails. I think Yak may be a guy who can handle the tougher sledding in the playoffs quite well. Drouin – not so sure.

PunjabiOil:

And that’s fair enough.

I don’t think Yakupov will ever push the river.He can still be a useful player, but Drouin likely has the higher upside based on possession numbers (albeit small) to date.

PunjabiOil

But I don’t believe he is an upgrade on either Yak or Ebs – and no sense in just making a change for change sake.

And that’s fair enough.

I don’t think Yakupov will ever push the river. He can still be a useful player, but Drouin likely has the higher upside based on possession numbers (albeit small) to date.

AsiaOil

But I don’t believe he is an upgrade on either Yak or Ebs – and no sense in just making a change for change sake.

PunjabiOil:
Drouin is not needed as we have what he brings in Yak/Ebs – we need defense.

That itself does not mean you stop seeking opportunities in the market for upgrades in areas of strength.

Material Elvis

godot10: With that idiotic logic, the NHL will soon be losing players to the KHL, as the bottom has fallen out of the ruble.

They don’t get paid in US dollars in Russia. Do your homework before you start grandstanding please.

square_wheels

leadfarmer,

No you’re missing my point. It’s incredibly rare for an athlete to have any “free time” during the season, so any team wanting to pay the incredibly high price Snow demands, has to know there is potentially something more important to him outside hockey. That’s not any slight against the player but why make it public, it’s does nothing but harm to your team and the organization you’ve now handcuffed. It has also been said Colorado is on his list and Maloney didn’t seem to indicate he rejected Phoenix, he just could not work a deal with Snow.

If it’s a child custody matter I’d understand, but outside of that, I’m just stating my opinion about the players motivation behind putting himself in this situation. In the end, I don’t think Snow will move him for anything less than a large overpay, something that will involve 1st round pics and established top 4 talent and he may not even do it this year or next. I don’t think we should be overly optimistic about acquiring him, I would bet my next cheque once Buff is gone, Winnipeg is packaging up something for him anyways.

Players and their dumb shit agents need to learn to keep their mouths closed, it doesnt help anyone airing issues in public.

And who’s to say his new location doesn’t fit in a year, he’s already geographically ballooned the request to include most of Western North America.

square_wheels

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

Yup, that would do it.

PunjabiOil

Drouin is not needed as we have what he brings in Yak/Ebs – we need defense.

That itself does not mean you stop seeking opportunities in the market for upgrades in areas of strength.

PunjabiOil

Most of an NHL salary is saved and invested, not spent, so pocession charge’s argument makes no sense. The average player in Alberta will have 8% less after tax income to save or invest, and this is massive compared their basic level of living expenses..

While some of what you say is true, a few points:

1. As someone who is an accountant with many NHL player clients, I can tell you in general, NHL love to spend and are not careful with their money. Many of them do not invest/save as they prudentially should be.

2. Purchasing power parity – they get paid in US dollars. Even if they are saving, those US dollars can yield in more CAD currency for which can be used towards savings and investments. The low CAD currency value is resulting in more gains to the Canadian players, certainly higher than the increased taxes that will be levied against the players.

Of course the taxes are likely in structurally for a long time. The low Canadian dollar may only be short-term.

Tax wise – the Alberta cities go from 1-2 to the mid-range in terms of taxes after the increase.

http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2014/11/personal-income-taxes-nhl-players-teams-salary-caps/

stevezie

godot10,

Before I say anything, I will happily admit I don’t know much about money.

I take your point that most of that money is not going to the grocery store. Obviously housing is going to be a big expense, but that seems to me more of a market to market thing than a country to country one.

Basically, I get your criticism of PO’s point. I just don’t get your Russian example, as those guys get paid in Rubbles, no? Don’t they? I don’t know.

admiralmark

Bruce McCurdy: I would argue that “more subtle style” takes longer to hone. Lots of d-men who make their livelihood in the defensive zone who are 23 or 24 before they establish themselves. Within the Oilers you have Fayne who was 23 when he broke in, Gryba (24), or Davidson who is 24 now & just finding his way. Reinhart is 2½ years younger than Davidson.

Granted that none of those guys was a Top 5 draft choice, and Young Willis’s oft-cited post about GR is cautionary to be sure, but not all those comps are the same player type. Reinhart’s forte is as a stalwart presence in his own zone firsst and foremost, even as I agree with LT’s assessment of a “wide range of skills”. I didn’t see speed of foot his biggest issue, but speed of decision-making which is less at the NHL level than one might suppose.

I saw this player go through the same thing when he arrived as an Edmonton Oil King at age 16, he would get the puck and then hesitate, and sometimes quick pressure/turnovers/chaos would ensue. By his third year he’d get the puck and get it to the good ice, be it still on his stick or a teammate’s or merely in a safe place. And when he did hesitate with the puck, it was because he had already slowed the game down to his pace. Reminded me a little of Pronger and various other greats in that respect, albeit at the junior level.

But now that pace has quickened again and he has to learn many of the same lessons against men. Highly skilled men, at that. So yes, he has to step it up — almost literally — but I remain confident he can and will do just that. To what degree, who knows? But as an old goalie I come from the school that highly values the Randy Gregg/Ken Morrow class of blueliners. And if they’re on the second or third pairing, well that’s just fine.

The comparable i keep thinking of for Reinhart is Steve Smith. I can see him being that player. And despite the major guffaw.. I think Steve Smith was a valuable commodity.

prefonmich

Bruce McCurdy,

Thanks for the insight with your experience of seeing him as an Oil King. I don’t think it is necessarily a bad thing to give him more time in the AHL and I do remember the OIlers talking about his decision making speed needing to be quicker. I think the bigger issue is the fact we have too many D who need some degree of shelter and we only have so many 5/6 D spots (2 to be exact).

It is interesting to me to compare our D to the Flames who supposedly have the best D in the conference (arguably as stated by many media). When TJ Brodie was out at the start of the year it pushed everyone up a level and it didn’t go well. This is what the Oilers have been living for a number of years and of course it hasn’t gone well. With Klefbom out many guys are playing two rungs above where they should be- case in point one Darryl Nurse! We need Kbom back in a quick hurry!

Moose

Kassian scores his first as a Condor tonight.

square_wheels,

There could be a number of reasons. I have no idea, so won’t speculate.

But for example, just in totally generic terms, a child custody issue might require one to have residency in one country.

AsiaOil

Drouin is not needed as we have what he brings in Yak/Ebs – we need defense.

Reinhart will be fine – he is Carl Alzner right down to the draft number in a weak year and style of play – and Alzner is really coming into his own this season as a tough minute defenseman. Davidson blocks GR right now because he will never pass through waivers and we can’t have 3 rookies in the lineup. GR got hurt at an inopportune time – but I would be tempted to recall him and demote Nurse until we can clean out the roster a bit. We have 5 good/promising LH dmen and a couple may have to switch over unless we make trades. Sekera may be that guy who could manage switching over on the 2nd pair.

Klef xxx
Nurse Sekera
GR Davidson

I argued like hell supporting Davidson in TC – but he’s not a top 4 dman now – and he may never become that. He’s a solid affordable bottom pair guy now and may grow into a 4/5 – we will see. Mr. xxx on the top pair is the key – get him – and everything else is actually pretty easy and solved through development. Klef for Hamonic is a hockey trade but I prefer this cap neutral deal which I suggested a few days ago:

To NJD – Eberle
To NYI – Ruutu/Severson
To EDM: Hamonic/ Zubrus cap

godot10

stevezie:
godot10,

Whatdo they get paid in there?

The average player salary in the NHL is about $3.2 million. Lop off $200K for expenses, (and consideration of the lower tax brackets).

In Alberta, the top marginal tax rate is going up by about 8%…5% courtesy of Notley, 3% courtesy of Trudeau. 8% of $3 million is $240K. (or in Canadian dollars over $300K).

Most of an NHL salary is saved and invested, not spent, so pocession charge’s argument makes no sense. The average player in Alberta will have 8% less after tax income to save or invest, and this is massive compared their basic level of living expenses.

*unless they have good tax lawyers and accountents.

leadfarmer

square_wheels,

That is ridiculous. Even though Winnipeg would be his ideal preference he would accept a trade to a handful of places that are close to home including maybe one US team in Minnesota. Just like in the future he would prefer Winnipeg doesn’t mean it will work out that way and he won’t be happy in another team fairly close. What makes you think he would give up hockey. He requested a trade half a year ago and guess what, he hasn’t quit.

square_wheels

frjohnk,

I don’t think Hamonic wants to be anywhere but Winnipeg. Playing somewhere in the West of Canada has now turned into Colorado and Minnesota, none of his request smells above board. I wouldn’t be surprised if Snow sends him wherever the hell he gets the best deal, and Hamonic and his agent can figure out how in the next 4 years they can find their way back to Winnipeg.

Maloney stated he called and they couldn’t work out a deal, but didn’t say anything to imply he wouldn’t report if traded to Phoenix.

So let’s say we land him, does he fly home everytime the team has 48hrs off, risking his fitness, nutrition and rest just to be “at home” during the season ? While Snow and the team put on a professional public face, I’d assume they’re fucking furious with the player and the agent for what seems like a poorly thought out “family request”.

Whoever lands the player is going to have to know he will sign in Winnipeg as a UFA or worse, decide hockey is no longer his priority over his family.

Bruce McCurdy

prefonmich:
Soup Fascist,

It seems to me that part of the problem is McLellan’s preferred defense type. Other than Gryba, all the slow-footed defense on this team have been sent down. The one dimensional defense first guys like Fayne and Reinhart whose strengths are much more subtle than guys like Nurse or Schultz have been sent down or sat while the opposite style strong skating d are playing way above their heads in terms of minutes and matchups. I am not sure Reinhart got an entirely fair shake to prove the effectiveness of his more subtle style.

I would argue that “more subtle style” takes longer to hone. Lots of d-men who make their livelihood in the defensive zone who are 23 or 24 before they establish themselves. Within the Oilers you have Fayne who was 23 when he broke in, Gryba (24), or Davidson who is 24 now & just finding his way. Reinhart is 2½ years younger than Davidson.

Granted that none of those guys was a Top 5 draft choice, and Young Willis’s oft-cited post about GR is cautionary to be sure, but not all those comps are the same player type. Reinhart’s forte is as a stalwart presence in his own zone firsst and foremost, even as I agree with LT’s assessment of a “wide range of skills”. I didn’t see speed of foot his biggest issue, but speed of decision-making which is less at the NHL level than one might suppose.

I saw this player go through the same thing when he arrived as an Edmonton Oil King at age 16, he would get the puck and then hesitate, and sometimes quick pressure/turnovers/chaos would ensue. By his third year he’d get the puck and get it to the good ice, be it still on his stick or a teammate’s or merely in a safe place. And when he did hesitate with the puck, it was because he had already slowed the game down to his pace. Reminded me a little of Pronger and various other greats in that respect, albeit at the junior level.

But now that pace has quickened again and he has to learn many of the same lessons against men. Highly skilled men, at that. So yes, he has to step it up — almost literally — but I remain confident he can and will do just that. To what degree, who knows? But as an old goalie I come from the school that highly values the Randy Gregg/Ken Morrow class of blueliners. And if they’re on the second or third pairing, well that’s just fine.

Frank the dog

pocession charge: The players in Canada get paid in US dollars but their expenses are in CDN dollars.That is a massive savings — more than enough to offset any tax increase.It should be marketed as a competitive advantage by Canadian teams.

You can also ask our friend Bookje about the actual tax difference between Canada and the USA.

Frank the dog

square_wheels:
Frank the dog,

Doesn’t Zach typically play RW ?

Yes, and Yak is a left hander who prefers right wing. This would allow him to exit the zone on the left, and water bug in the Ozone while ZK helps dig in the corners and adds a net front presence.

JAG-041

Frank the dog,

If he is you know ole Gene’s chomping at the bit…

stevezie

godot10,

Whatdo they get paid in there?

godot10

pocession charge: The players in Canada get paid in US dollars but their expenses are in CDN dollars.That is a massive savings — more than enough to offset any tax increase.It should be marketed as a competitive advantage by Canadian teams.

With that idiotic logic, the NHL will soon be losing players to the KHL, as the bottom has fallen out of the ruble.

godot10

RexLibris:
I’d take Drouin today if the package were Reinhart and a 2nd round pick.

The Oilers need Reinhart more than they need Drouin. Like Tampa, the Oilers don’t have a place for Drouin. They have Hall and Pouliot signed long term (and Lucic is apparently arriving in July)!

The OIlers shouldn’t be trading away young 3rd pairing D (Reinhart), for small one dimensional forwards.

Man the Oiler blogosphere hates D. They don’t want to draft them. They don’t want to trade draft picks for them. And they want to trade them away for stuff that the OIlers don’t need.

Calgary has lousy forwards compared to the OIlers and have been ahead in the standings for the last two seasons. because they have a defense. The most critical thing McDavid (and Draisaitl and any forward) needs is a competent defense.

Bruce McCurdy

theres oil in virginia: I might be a homer, but OEL embellished the hook on the first call, as well. It was definitely a hook, and a stupid penalty, but it should have been evened up.

Gryba got hooked just as hard or harder about 5 minutes later, a bit further from his own net along the back wall, right up around his shoulder, stopped him dead in his tracks. But that was “only Eric Gryba” so it was also “just a hockey play”.

PS: I might be a homer as well.

Material Elvis

Mr. D.:
Do you really think that a player (unless an egotistical superstar with guaranteed employment) is going to demand an out and thus relegated to the PB or worse. Bottom line is the Oilers need to overpay anyone who is a UFA for several reasons.
Mr Trudeau and his 4% tax increase will chase away many from Canadian teamsunless the can make it up on the value of the contract.
Alberta is a great place but let’s be serious it not a resort destination.
The media and scrutiny of the fans alone chases players out. Get ragged on here for a bit more money but oodles of taxes or live in anonominity with 20 other US teams WITH MORE take home pay.

The players in Canada get paid in US dollars but their expenses are in CDN dollars. That is a massive savings — more than enough to offset any tax increase. It should be marketed as a competitive advantage by Canadian teams.

square_wheels

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

Am I the only one that finds it odd that a pro athlete has requested to play only in western Canada for family reasons ? For the entire season the player is essentially a full time employee of the team, so if he needs to be home or near Winnipeg, unless he’s playing there, what value does living in Western Canada serve ? Its a peculiar situation, I’m not connecting the dots (nor should I) but is it possible Chia has an idea what this is about and wants to stay clear ?

So playing in Edmonton vs Brooklyn, has similar travel times , the only thing different is the passport or work permit. Maybe he has a spouse that can’t work in the U.S. ?

LadiesloveSmid

Problem for me with Drouin is he’s quite similar to players they already have stylistically. Maybe you send them Yak for Drouin, but Drouin-McDavid seems like more of the same

PunjabiOil

A few random thoughts:

1. Nothing wrong with Reinhart being in the AHL. He just isn’t ready. If he’s not however by October 2016, at age 22, then you have to begin looking at cutting your losses and trading him before value falls further.

2. Drouin – I’d heavily explore a Yakupov (plus if necessary) trade for him. Heck, even a Reinhart for Drouin straight up trade I would do. Not sure if Tampa would but these are worthwhile moves and allows the Oilers options in the summer.

3. There is literally nothing out there in the UFA market for goalies this off-season. I’d move Nilsson at the trade deadline (LB as backup next year), and evaluate Talbot until right before the deadline as to whether or not to extend him. The trade market may have to be explored if Talbot does not demonstrate consistency.

square_wheels

Frank the dog,

Doesn’t Zach typically play RW ?

square_wheels

Lowetide,

I’m not sure anyone else will like the comp but for me Grif has always reminded me of a young, healthy Nick Schultz. He’s not a wow player, but let’s face it, we don’t need too many more of those.

Lois Lowe

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

It’s absolutely true that I don’t like Drouin as a prospect and I agree, there is still time for both he and Yak to show what they’re capable of.

I was pointing more to the fact that trading Reinhart and a 2nd for a Yak comp wouldn’t be high on my priority list given the forward depth on the Oilers.

stevezie

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

As was recently discussed, Turris was moved for (essentially) two seconds and the hockey world was stunned he was worth so much.

No screaming hell at all.

lynn

Lowetide,

Your evaluation of Jujhar Khaira is fair. Jujhar is green, has done well in his first stint with Oilers, but with more time with the Condors, he will be a better player. He is a talented player with a value contract that the Oilers will need in the next year or two.

Frank the dog

Could Chia be considering Zach and Yak as CMD’s partners?

Mr. D.

Do you really think that a player (unless an egotistical superstar with guaranteed employment) is going to demand an out and thus relegated to the PB or worse. Bottom line is the Oilers need to overpay anyone who is a UFA for several reasons.
Mr Trudeau and his 4% tax increase will chase away many from Canadian teams unless the can make it up on the value of the contract.
Alberta is a great place but let’s be serious it not a resort destination.
The media and scrutiny of the fans alone chases players out. Get ragged on here for a bit more money but oodles of taxes or live in anonominity with 20 other US teams WITH MORE take home pay.

RexLibris:
Can I just say, this season has been a breath of fresh air.

Johansen, Hamonic, Duchene and now Drouin all requesting trades out of their respective cities.

All good young players.

Not a single Oiler player has requested a trade or had rumours of being disgruntled and wanting out of this “cold northern NHL backwater” this season.

Nope, instead it was the “surprising, rebuilt, hard-working Columbus Blue Jackets”.

It was the revived New York Islanders who play on the much-favoured East Coast.

It was in the beautiful part of the continent and cup contender Tampa Bay.

Nice for a change.

theres oil in virginia

Looks like Griffin Reinhart was drafted in 2012, played 2 more seasons in the WHL (2012-13 and 2013-14), then split the next two seasons between the AHL and the NHL (2014-15 and 2015-16), although mostly in the AHL last year. He’s only played about half of the available games so far this year after dealing with an “undisclosed” injury. So, he’s in draft plus 4. I’ll be happy if he’s a regular by next year.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=123847

stush18

Ryan:
stush18,

I don’t think the “Detroit model” means what you think it means.

The Red Wings drafted the defensemen Alexey Marchenko, 6’3″ 210 lbs #210 in the 2011 draft.Granted he’s two years older than Reinhart despite being drafted one year earlier.

He played 13 NHL games in his draft plus four year.

This season, in his draft plus five season, he’s played 32 games.

There are no comparables for an overager Russian defenseman getting drafted #210 ov and playing as a regular in his draft plus five season.That’s the Detroit model.

There are, however, 24 comparables for Grffin Reinhart–defensemen drafted out of Canadian major junior in the top 15 selections from 2001 to 2011.

All of the future top four dmen from that list of comparables established themselves as a top four dmen in toi by their draft plus four season.

Reinhart is miles away from being a top four dman on one of the worst blue lines in the NHL. Hence, my consternation about Reinhart.

The Detroit model means exactly what I think it means.

They’ve hand marinated their players. They give hem the reps at the AHL or in Europe. March enjoy played one hundred games in the khl, and another hundred in the AHL. He’s older, and being sheltered on the wings. Reinhart has playedless than 100 pro games.

Marchenko also only has 4 assists in like 34 games this year.

Draft position means squat. All it means is those drafted higher usually get more chances.

Lois Lowe: Drouin is more akin to Yakupov than Turris.

I know you don’t think he is very good, but there’s still time for both Yakupov and Drouin.

Turris was no screaming hell to start his career either.

Lois Lowe

RexLibris: The same things were said about Turris when he demanded a trade.

I’d take Drouin today if the package were Reinhart and a 2nd round pick.

Drouin is more akin to Yakupov than Turris.

RexLibris: The same things were said about Turris when he demanded a trade.

He’s a solid 2C now and the Senators got him for what has turned out to be peanuts (David Rundblad and a 2nd rounder that became Anthony Stolarz).

I’d take Drouin today if the package were Reinhart and a 2nd round pick.

I doubt Yzerman takes a defender back in a Drouin deal when he’s on notice about losing Stamkos this summer, though.

We discussed this yesterday as well. It’s a move Sather would make. Yeah the need on D is pressing. But If Eberle is moved to address D, a young player with Drouin’s skillset becomes crucial.
A McDavid-Yakupov-Drouin power play would be interesting

With the Boychuk injury I can’t see Hamonic moving until the draft. If the Oilers are to improve this season on D I think they have to look elsewhere. Personally, I would wait. If the team rallies when McDavid returns maybe making a move makes sense. But as of now? I don’t see a fit that makes sense and if the team continues to struggle a trade for the now may prove very costly (for example, if picks and prospects are moved for Buff but they don’t make the playoffs anyway).

frjohnk,

I think Hamonic had already made his request. Otherwise there is no chance in my opinion that Snow would look to move him during the Tavares cheap contract window given how much of a steal Hamonic’s own contract is.

Snow probably just kept that to himself at the time and got cold feet on the deal and so they settled on a lesser deal for Reinhart. And then the request became public and all this ensued.

Just my take on your take.

Lowetide: Yeah, I just don’t agree about Reinhart being one dimensional. Call me crazy, but I think he has a nice range of skills.

I will call you crazy if you invite us to, but you aren’t wrong on Reinhart. He is a 3 or 4 tool player. He will never be a 5 tool guy and may always suffer from being drafted 4-5 slots too high, but he has valuable skills.

frjohnk

At the draft, Im guessing Chia was targeting Hamonic with the 2nd 1st rounder + when Chia knew he wouldnt be getting Hamilton
Unfortunately this was before Hamonics request to come west, if Hamonics request was made before the draft, he might be an Oiler today.
Snow was not interested in moving Hamonic because top 2 D man on value contracts are almost non existent, but was interested in moving Reinhart as he liked Barzal and the Islanders D core was very stable.

We have to remember at the draft our D core depth was
Klefbom Fayne
Nikitin Schultz
Marincin, Davidson
Nurse Ference

Klefbom was the best Oiler D and also had less than 100 games under his belt.
Fayne was never highly talked about by Chia from day 1.
Chia probably knew Nikitin was a disaster and wanted to trade him but said nice things about nikitin to not knock his trade value
Schultz was a huge question mark.
Chia’s viewing of Marincin was not good when he saw him in OKC’s playoffs. Marincin was definitely not a Chia player
Nurse was a wild card, was he NHL ready? Chia could not count on him being ready.
Davidson was another wild card. AHL player or NHL bottom pair D man?
Everybody knew Ference was done.

What a mess of a D core ( 1 top 4 D man and he had less than 100 games under his belt) Chia knew he had to add pieces to fix it. Remember this is before we added Sekara as a free agent.

Right now we have 2 top 4 D men Sekara and Klefbom
Then Davidson who is probably a 4/5
and then a bunch of guys like Nurse, Fayne, Schultz, Gryba who are 5/6’s and 7’s.
then Nikitin who is an 8

and then way below Ference

Reinhart is in the 3rd tier of D men. I think he is better than Gryba and Schultz right now and believe Reinhart is among the top 6 D men on this team. But because of numbers and waiver eligibility, Reinhart is in the AHL.

Chia will get rid of some of the deadwood by the deadline and Reinhart will finish the year with the Oilers.

Some will say using the those picks to get Reinhart was an overpay and it may well be, but I think Chia was caught in a hard place. The D was a mess and he had to fix it. Snow knew this. Reinhart was the best Chia could get and he had to pay full price.

I like Reinhart and hope he knocks it out of the park when he gets the chance.

RexLibris

Diesel:
The only real concern I have with Nurse is him batting too high up the order. The type of game we need from him (and the one he has come this far with) is a ferocious one. Sure he will round it out over time, but we need him to be who he is: wheels to get up ice, turbo-wheels to get back, and snarling when he arrives.

If we destroy his confidence by feeding him 20+ min a night vs. top comp. the result will be him playing the game from deep in his head. This leads to indecision and defending dead ice — which we are starting to see creep into his game.

Of course his game requires some polish, to use a McLellan term, but Darnell appears to be the type of player who thrives by playing towards the limits of his abilities. See: E. Karlsson, Subban, P. Kane.

That’s a fair assessment and would apply to 90% of young players, but Nurse has had a number of ups and downs and what I haven’t seen from him is any drop in his confidence.

For better or worse it looks like he simultaneously expects the best from himself and believe he is capable of doing it as he learns along the way.

But I would try to move him down the D order as soon as Klefbom returns, if not sooner.

RexLibris

geowal:
Drouin coming off pretty entitled here. I wouldn’t touch him. Why is he above the AHL? I’m sure Tampa isn’t trying to banish him, probably just want him down there a few weeks to work on some things.

The same things were said about Turris when he demanded a trade.

He’s a solid 2C now and the Senators got him for what has turned out to be peanuts (David Rundblad and a 2nd rounder that became Anthony Stolarz).

I’d take Drouin today if the package were Reinhart and a 2nd round pick.

I doubt Yzerman takes a defender back in a Drouin deal when he’s on notice about losing Stamkos this summer, though.

commonfan29

I hope Chia is in Yzerman’s ear making offers for Hedman while his trade request is still private (I’ll just go ahead and assume he wants out like all the other Tampa high picks).

It would be pretty amazing if disconnects with Cooper end up costing Tampa both Stamkos and Drouin. Yzerman must really love the guy.

Diesel

The only real concern I have with Nurse is him batting too high up the order. The type of game we need from him (and the one he has come this far with) is a ferocious one. Sure he will round it out over time, but we need him to be who he is: wheels to get up ice, turbo-wheels to get back, and snarling when he arrives.

If we destroy his confidence by feeding him 20+ min a night vs. top comp. the result will be him playing the game from deep in his head. This leads to indecision and defending dead ice — which we are starting to see creep into his game.

Of course his game requires some polish, to use a McLellan term, but Darnell appears to be the type of player who thrives by playing towards the limits of his abilities. See: E. Karlsson, Subban, P. Kane.