(IF YOU LOVE SOMEONE) SET THEM FREE

by Lowetide

With the trade deadline just a few (well, seven) short weeks away, I imagine Peter Chiarelli is already making overtures on some RFAs and UFAs on his roster. There is also a considerable amount of wait and see on the menu as well. Let’s have a look at Edmonton’s free agents and what might happen.

  1. R Teddy Purcell. On pace for 50 points this season (Perron had 19 points in 38 games when MacT traded him) and I would think the veteran has a great deal of value. If Chiarelli deals him, there are several interesting candidates to step up (McLellan might run Eberle, Yakupov, Hendricks, Pakarinen RH side) and the team could re-visit signing him in the summer. Perron fetched Klinkhammer and a first-round pick in the deep 2015 draft, suspect Purcell gets you less (second-round pick?) and I would try to sign him for something in the three’s. You?
  2. D Justin Schultz (RFA). Puck-moving defenders have great value but Schultz isn’t delivering much if you look at the boxcars and the numbers inside. If the Oilers were trying to reduce his value and then sign him on the cheap, this would be a pretty good strategy. I do not think that is what’s happening. Justin Schultz, in the words of Craig MacTavish, needs a second opinion. All we could ask is 50 games to see if McLellan could unlock him, and despite recent games (I liked his games with Nurse) it isn’t enough. They walk him, and they should. That is my guess.
  3. G Cam Talbot. I think we are getting close to the time where Chiarelli should extend a multi-year offer. As Sunil Agnihotri mentioned on the Lowdown this morning, the more he strings together fine performances, the more expensive it gets. I would run him for the month of January, and then sign him if things are going well. Three years? I think Woodguy mentioned that as being the best case, let’s go with that for now.
  4. D Eric Gryba. The one thing this season has informed me? If Gryba isn’t back next season, ”a” Gryba is likely to be on that third pairing. Hell, the LAK traded for Luke Schenn today, these guys still have value. I think he can defend and he is clearly big. He might be back, I would trade him at the deadline.
  5. G Anders Nilsson (RFA). I have been impressed with him, and getting him signed shouldn’t be difficult. I would sign him as the NHL backup and if Brossoit pushes him out, then a trade may be available. Like this player.
  6. R Iiro Pakarinen (RFA). I like this player, the only question is offense and on this team a winger could score 15 easily in a complementary role (said he). Pakarinen is an aggressive winger, I felt he would fit into the McLellan plan and it turns out to be true. Should be able to get him in on a one-way deal for under $1 million. Fair?
  7. R Rob Klinkhammer. The thing is, I am not really certain of him. He has good speed, hits people, and is a game rooster, but in over 540 minutes with Edmonton he has two goals. I would prefer a little more offense.
  8. L Luke Gazdic (RFA). He doesn’t fight much and apparently the hit counts are not where they should be, but for me this is the best hockey he will ever play. I would walk him in a heartbeat, but the Edmonton Oilers are the Edmonton Oilers.
  9. D Brad Hunt. I don’t think the Oilers need to retain him, but I guess some of that has to do with what they do with the other blue at the NHL/AHL level. My guess is Oesterle/Laleggia have it covered in Bakersfield, and that Chiarelli will be bringing in a bona fide gun from the outside this summer.
  10. D Brandon Davidson (RFA). I would sign this guy with extreme prejudice. Davidson makes pennies this season, would he accept a multi-year deal that still represents good value for the team? Hell boys I would ask the question. Don’t Pisani this, PC!
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GCW_69: I would not agree that RJ is worth at least Nuge for the reasons I stated above:

– much better contract situation
– no heart condition
– more consistent offence
– stronger two way game
– no off ice work ethic issues (rumoured that RJ has some commitment issues*)
– etc.

Conference rival is a factor, but Poile wants to win now and the Oilers won’t be winning anything for a couple of years at least.Not saying he would definitely take Nuge over RJ, but I think it would be very close.

And I would say that you would be in the minority around the NHL with that opinion.

Size and scoring is the most coveted combination in the NHL. Johansen has that over Nuge.

GCW_69

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: In-conference rival and Johansen is worth at least Nuge.

I would not agree that RJ is worth at least Nuge for the reasons I stated above:

– much better contract situation
– no heart condition
– more consistent offence
– stronger two way game
– no off ice work ethic issues (rumoured that RJ has some commitment issues*)
– etc.

Conference rival is a factor, but Poile wants to win now and the Oilers won’t be winning anything for a couple of years at least. Not saying he would definitely take Nuge over RJ, but I think it would be very close.

GCW_69: Why would the deal be Nuge plus unless the return was Jones plus?

In-conference rival and Johansen is worth at least Nuge.

Water Fire

A few days ago it was about that the Preds were interested in Nuge. Chia must have seen the peril and not been up for the risk.

Nuge is a better player than Johansen in the same way Datsyuk was better than all of teh other bigger centres that outscored him. Nuge will have the better career and isn’t a trouble maker either. And there is the control thing with the contract situation.

Most people/teams will take size first. But what makes Kopitar and Toews good isn’t their size, it’s their noggins.

CBJ has turned itself into Nashville. Torts will say they can’t win when the chips are down so they have no heart. When he is old and retired a gradkid will tell him when he coached CBJ it was 2016 not 1996.

The era of huge = better is long over, since they put in the rule against open ice tackling. Drive and skill win the day first, size is a bonus.

____________

When everyone is talking about the stud #1 defenseman, who do you mean? I see maybe 5 at most. Then there are a bunch of high skill guys who are weaker defensively (who I am not sold on, I feel D don’t drive EV offense they capitalize on it) but I don’t see 30 dominant in all phases of the game types. Most teams don’t have one. Washington and Dallas don’t.

So you either pick them up UFA, get real lucky on a trade for a Jones type, or get real lucky when a GM loses his mind and gives a good player away for a lesser one.

Chia must be waiting to be able to unload a winger for a D if he didn’t take Jones. I would take this tack as well and overpay a bit to grease the wheel with picks. The value of a current player is very high for the Oilers given the age and set of the roster. It makes futures expendable at this time without causing damage like the Penner offer sheet did.

Given how often D get hurt I’d rather have the 5 top 4 guys and keep rolling when someone gets hurt. It also allows more cap choices. When McL turns the PP around everyone will view the better D we have differently. When you have three #1 centres all you really need is guys that can pass and hold the O blue line well enough.

misfit

I like Johansen plenty, but I don’t see it as a big risk from CBJ’s perspective. Seth Jones is a rare hockey player playing in just his 3rd NHL season. Drew Doughty aside, how many of today’s top defensemen (and top Dmen of years past) have, or would have, shown elite underlying numbers in their first 3 years? Chris Pronger hadn’t topped 30 points or was a plus player in any of his first 3 seasons. Most have had only 2 or fewer NHL seasons played at this point in their careers. And at 199 NHL GP, next season will be the point where most top defensemen really establish themselves as difference makers. And we all know how much the underlying numbers are dependent on role and opportunity. He’ll be a focal point of the Columbus defense, and I expect his fancy stats will start to take a turn for the better once he gets familiar with his new team (and next year, watch out).

The only sense that I see that trade as being more risky for CBJ than NSH is that the Predators are better equipped to replace Jones than the Jackets are to replace Johansen.

As for RNH vs Johansen, I would easily place more value in Nuge than RJo. I’m sorry we missed out on Jones (I don’t know if there’s a more perfect fit for our needs than him, at least outside of the “don’t even ask” list), but I’m not the least bit sorry we didn’t trade Nuge. I would want something coming back with Jones if I made the deal, and I’d also hang on until McDavid returned at least.

GCW_69

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
GCW_69,

While this may be true, I still don’t see how you can blame Chiarelli for not paying Nuge plus?

Why would the deal be Nuge plus unless the return was Jones plus?

GCW_69

Let’s not lose sight of the fact that, if Chairelli wanted in on the Jones deal, part of his job is to point out why Nuge would be a better option for Nashville, including:

– much better contract situation
– no heart condition
– more consistent offence
– stronger two way game
– no off ice work ethic issues (rumoured that RJ has some commitment issues*)
– etc.

The case can be made either way with these two players. Chiarelli’s job would be to convince Poille that RJ is the devil and Nuge is the answer to all his prayers after all. Then spend four hours skiing. Alone. Completely and utterly alone. He is going to do that because that is his life, that is what’s real, and there is nothing he can do to change that…**

* These rumours may or may not be true, I don’t know, but I heard them on the radio from a Columbus reporter. But if you are Chiarelli and selling Nuge, you certainly act as if the RJ rumours are true.
** Obscure movie reference.

GCW_69,

While this may be true, I still don’t see how you can blame Chiarelli for not paying Nuge plus?

Klima's_Bucket

GCW_69: This team will miss the playoffs for the 10th straight year. TEN!. And this is the time to be risk averse? Seriously?

The Oilers can let the Hall cluster shelter the McDavid cluster which can shelter the next cluster which hopefully includes Dmen.
It’s been 10 years, why not wait another 10???

GCW_69

Ryan: Shea Weber’s too old and Seth Jones is too unproven–both true but we’re starting to get goldilocks syndrome.
No one is ever going to trade us a 23-year-old Faulk, 24-year-old OEL, 26-year-old Drew Doughty, 25-year-old Erik Karlson, or 25-year-old Victor Headman.
I know the Canucks had the no number one dman, but ‘d by committee’ approach in their cup run. I think it’s really hard to have a good d corps without a number one to push everyone down on the depth chart.

This is exactly right. If the Oilers want to fill this hole, they are going to have to make a trade and likely on a player with some risk. I would rather they take that risk on a player on the upswing of his career than the downswing.

This team will miss the playoffs for the 10th straight year. TEN!. And this is the time to be risk averse? Seriously?

GCW_69

Soup Fascist:
GCW_69,

Have to agree to disagree with you and “Bank Shot”.

I don’t dislike Jones, but we need a 25 to 30 year old RHD who is legitimate first pairing now.Two years of cheap McD after this year.

I am much happier giving up a package including this year’s first (lottery protected) and getting an established D man.Waiting for up to 24 months for Jones (assuming he gets there) is a dangerous game, IMO.

If you are looking for a “type” I would consider a Kevin Shattenkirk.40 to 50 point defenseman.26 years old.Blues are awash in good RHD and have significant cap issues.He only has one year left after this year on a relatively cheap contract, so that is a little problematic (would likely not want to send high 1st rounder for 1 to 1.5 years of him) , but that is the type of guy I would want vs. Seth Jones.

I get that Jones has a higher ceiling, but also is not yet established.Again – agree to disagree.

If it helps, last year Jones delivered a higher points per 60 on the PP (4.47) than Weber (3.46), Josi (3.24) and Ellis (3.31) despite (based on minutes) being on the second PP unit and having the lowest PP PDO of the group. So, he is already delivering on the PP.

wintoon

G Money,

I agree wholeheartedly. This is not the time for the Oilers to go whale hunting. They need to get solid D men and the team will improve significantly. People are always looking for a home run.

It only took China 30 minutes of trading last night to fall 7 percent (it’s daily trading limit). Down 14 percent this week.

The Japanese yen, a safe haven currency, has gone from 123 to the US dollar recently to 117, meaning traders are running for the exits. The US market has made more big down days to start 2016 than we have seen in quite some time, and there’s that crack of 2000 in the S&P we were looking for. Puts are paying handsomely due to the spike in volatility, but I continue to suggest you stay away from markets and keep your powder dry at this time.

Markets were fully valued and the geopolitical, China, and oil risks are high at the moment. Let the air come out of markets before bargain hunting. Personally I will be looking strictly at some of the US tech giants that may be interesting if they continue to fall. We may get an August style flush. I still would not invest at the moment in Canada and/or commodity markets.

G Money:
Just thought I should point out that Nuge is out scoring RJo this year.Because trend?

On a separate note, trading Nuge for Jones is a mistake IMO – not for scoring but for strategic reasons.

Jones is good and has lotsof potential, but potential to be a number one defenseman is a looooong way from actually being a number one defenseman, and there are many a slip between that cup and the lip.

Strategically, I think the Oilers are set on a path that requires a defense corps that has no weaknesses, rather than one built around a number 1D.They need two more top four guys rather than looking for a high risk 1D homerun.

That’s how you build a team around three elite centres – rather then copying a template from other teams that have a completely different mix in their asset base.

He is outscoring him this year by .7 pts/game to .685 pts/game. It’s close. Nuge may even crack 50 points this year at last 😉 (I personally think he hits 65).

Quinlan:
NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

At the get go, I wasn’t really disputing much of anything. I certainly wasn’t focused on the whole value question a lot of other posters were. I threw out a question, not merely rhetorical, to see if anyone had crunched the numbers on RyJo and found him significantly ahead of Nuge. If anyone had, I hadn’t heard it and wanted to know if such a thing was out there. Then I saw a couple of comments which flat out called RyJo better (Leadfarmer, John Chambers) and one which somewhat misleadingly said that Nuge has not had as good an offensive season as the one RyJo had last year (difference in ppg of .03 between their most productive season).

I responded and questioned that. I guess I should have precisely referred to the three posters and proceeded to call them out?

You’ve made your point about Nuge’s value (with which, by the way, I agree).

Chill out.

I was chill. Just pointing out that if you say you saw “many comments” saying Johansen was better, the rest of us should be able to find these many comments. There were what, 2?

As for Nuge’s rookie year vs. RyJo’s best year, well, unfortunately Nuge only got 62 games in that year. Might he have cleared 70 points? Maybe.

If you thought I was attacking you, I didn’t mean that. My point was and remains that even with contracts considered, PoIle would have taken Johansen over Nuge. RJ fits what they need better and has more value to Nashville.

Add in the conference rival factor and if the Oilers wanted Jones the ask would have been Nuge-plus once RJ was on the table. Posters here were mostly against trading Nuge straight up for Jones.

Therefore, a good non-trade by Chiarelli.

Ca$h-McMoney!

Магия 10,

That’s the thing that gets me about RyJo. He’s got a history that suggests to me there is a bit of a Prima Donna there (the AHL benching comes to mind). When his contract is up, even if his production isn’t in that upper echelon 80+ point range, he’s going to expect to get paid absolute top dollar. You aren’t likely locking this kid up long term for anything less than $8million/year, and I’m just not sure his production to date has justified that.

Good player, but you might still be over paying him in the long run. In a cap world that’s not ideal.

Ca$h-McMoney!

Teddy Purcell at a number in the 3s…. oh geez.

I’ve been arguing that the collective group (most of whom I have a great deal of respect for, understand) have been over valuing this player. Not to say I don’t like him, not to say I don’t want him on the team. I simply think we look at a guy like this and talk about signing him for way too much money, just like we talked about giving Franson lots of money or Glencross multiple millions of dollars last summer, either of whom could have been had for substantially less.

I would like to make a bet with someone who thinks paying Teddy P. +/- $3.5million/year is a good idea.

If he signs a contract for less than $3million/year (or doesn’t get a contract by Oct 1 2016), you will make a $50 donation to this site
If he signs a contract for more than $3million/year, I will make a $50 donation to this site

If he signs for exactly $3million it’s a push.

Let me know if there are any takers.

Ryan

G Money:

Jones is good and has lotsof potential, but potential to be a number one defenseman is a looooong way from actually being a number one defenseman, and there are many a slip between that cup and the lip.

We miss you, G! When are you going to stop slacking and get back to work?

Shea Weber’s too old and Seth Jones is too unproven–both true but we’re starting to get goldilocks syndrome.

No one is ever going to trade us a 23-year-old Faulk, 24-year-old OEL, 26-year-old Drew Doughty, 25-year-old Erik Karlson, or 25-year-old Victor Headman.

I know the Canucks had the no number one dman, but ‘d by committee’ approach in their cup run. I think it’s really hard to have a good d corps without a number one to push everyone down on the depth chart.

Professor Q

Poile said that he had been talking with Columbus for a while, and Johanson was not available until they lost 8 straight and changed up coaches; definitely adds to the odds being in Columbus’ favour with regards to trading offence for Jones (Poile tried to get Johanson without giving up Jones first).

So, a situational trade on Columbus’ side and an offence-geared trade on Nashville’s side.

The Nuge doesn’t really have the same situational issues as Johanson’s anyway, regardless of size, handedness, and league view.

N64

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: There has been precisely one poster, and only two comments by him (leadfarmer) that said RyJo is better than Nuge.
Everyone else was discussing value

Here’s the odd thing. Right now RyJo might be better, but surely value in a trade has to look at contract and RNH has to have more value.

theres oil in virginia

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

Thanks for carrying the discussion on this last night. I really don’t have a strong position on the issue of Nuge vs RJo, they look very close to each other to me. I looked at RJo’s point production for the last two years against the west, thinking that it’d be down compared to vs the east, but he’s basically a point/game vs west. I think he fits NAS better than Nuge would. That contract is an issue until he is either traded for value or extended. If Jones grows up to be anything like Doughty, it’s bad for Poile. Very interesting trade and I’m glad the Oilers stayed out of it, but I’m risk averse.

kinger_OIL

G Money,

G – This is what I have said as well: unless a #1 falls on lap, get 5 3-4 D’s, and just score more, and myabe one of Klef/Nurse/Davidson develops higher ceiling. Right now we have Sekera and Klef who are top 4. Nurse probably, Davidson maybe, Griff maybe. Need 2 more. Harmonic and another.

G Money

Get up, you lazy goatherders! Up! Why are you all sleeping in the middle of the day?!?!

G Money

Just thought I should point out that Nuge is out scoring RJo this year. Because trend?

On a separate note, trading Nuge for Jones is a mistake IMO – not for scoring but for strategic reasons.

Jones is good and has lots of potential, but potential to be a number one defenseman is a looooong way from actually being a number one defenseman, and there are many a slip between that cup and the lip.

Strategically, I think the Oilers are set on a path that requires a defense corps that has no weaknesses, rather than one built around a number 1D. They need two more top four guys rather than looking for a high risk 1D homerun.

That’s how you build a team around three elite centres – rather then copying a template from other teams that have a completely different mix in their asset base.

Quinlan

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

At the get go, I wasn’t really disputing much of anything. I certainly wasn’t focused on the whole value question a lot of other posters were. I threw out a question, not merely rhetorical, to see if anyone had crunched the numbers on RyJo and found him significantly ahead of Nuge. If anyone had, I hadn’t heard it and wanted to know if such a thing was out there. Then I saw a couple of comments which flat out called RyJo better (Leadfarmer, John Chambers) and one which somewhat misleadingly said that Nuge has not had as good an offensive season as the one RyJo had last year (difference in ppg of .03 between their most productive season).

I responded and questioned that. I guess I should have precisely referred to the three posters and proceeded to call them out?

You’ve made your point about Nuge’s value (with which, by the way, I agree).

Chill out.

Quinlan:
stevezie,

There are quite a few comments earlier in this thread that assert that RyJo is better – not one gave any substantive argument .

Now value, that’s an entirely different discussion.

There has been precisely one poster, and only two comments by him (leadfarmer) that said RyJo is better than Nuge.

Everyone else was discussing value.

You, sir, are clearly mistaken.

Quinlan:
stevezie,

There are quite a few comments earlier in this thread that assert that RyJo is better – not one gave any substantive argument .

Now value, that’s an entirely different discussion.

My entire argument said “value.”

Look, I love Nuge and for the Oilers I take him and what he brings in terms of 2-way play over Johansen. But the Oilers have McDavid and Draisaitl.

For the Predators, and any offense-starved team there is just no way you take Nuge over Johansen.

You guys quoting Nuge’s rookie year over 62 games and putting that alongside RyJo’s numbers from last season, and the guys quoting their career totals are missing the point.

Nuge is a good offensive player and a good 2-way player. This is not calling him a slouch.

It’s called a trend, and Johansen had been trending up. 33G-30A-63P /26G-45A-71P. Nuge hasn’t come close to his .84 pts/gm since his rookie year. Scoring has been coming down. 71 points last year was a great total. Johansen has the higher offensive acumen displayed so far. Nuge the higher overall acumen.

I still love RNH. But you guys are fooling yourselves if you think he had more value to Nashville, who needed a top-line offensive C capable of 30G and 70pts more than a 2-way defensively responsible C capable of 25G and maybe 60pts.

Add in 6’3″ 218 pounds vs. 6′ and 190 pounds and it’s an easy choice for Nashville, contract aside.

Most of you were saying there was no way in hell you’d trade Nuge for Jones anyway until yesterday so why even be upset about it?

In the present day NHL, to most teams lacking a true #1C, RyJo has more value than does Nuge. He is big and he scores more.

Regardless the Oilers likely would have had to offer Nuge plus something, as a conference rival, to trump CBJ’s Johansen offer.

I am glad we didn’t pay that price. And I say that as a big fan of Jones’.

Quinlan

stevezie,

There are quite a few comments earlier in this thread that assert that RyJo is better – not one gave any substantive argument .

Now value, that’s an entirely different discussion.

dangilitis

Decided to run this after what I viewed Cullen to be cherry-picking a bit by looking at Ryan’s last 200 games, where he is ranked 11th overall for C.

I think smarter minds have run similar, but this is total points among forwards under the age of 26 since 1996-1997:
Hall at #70 (and 2 more years to go projects #20-30),
#40 Smyth
#44 Hemsky
#50 Gagner
Eberle #74 (0.75 more years, projects ~#50)
RNH at #158 (with 3.75 more years, projects top 20-30 if 50 pt/season pace)
Ryan Johansen #179 (with 3 years left, projects 30-40 if 60 pt/season pace)

Then I sorted by pts/game (min 200 GP, # seasons in brackets)
#1-10: Crosby (9), Lindros (4), Forsberg (4), Kariya (5), Ovechkin (7), Malkin (7), Heatley (5), Kovalchuk (8), Spezza (7), Backstrom (#11-23 includes Getzlaf, Thornton, Kane, Tavares, Stamkos, Giroux, Kopitar, E Staal, Kane, you get the idea…)
#24 Hall (6) & #34 Seguin (6)
#42 Hemsky (7) & #43 Iginla (8)
#50 Eberle (6)
#70 RNH (5)
#74 Smyth (7)
#116 Johansen (5)

Conclusions:
– When people repeatedly say that Justin Faulk is one of the more undervalued players in the league, he is no longer undervalued. Hemsky was undervalued. Eberle and Nuge are undervalued.
– Johansen is 223 lbs and strung together 2 excellent seasons, hence he projects to a #1 C. RNH is smaller and has been more consistent from the get go, so he projects as an expendable #2-3 C. This is not logical.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&year_min=1997&year_max=2016&birthyear_min=&birthyear_max=&threshhold=5&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=26&birth_country=&franch_id=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_playoffs=N&pos=F&handed=&c1stat=&c1comp=gt&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=points&order_by_asc=&lite=0&offset=100

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&year_min=1997&year_max=2016&season_start=1&season_end=-1&rookie=N&age_min=0&age_max=26&birth_country=&birthyear_min=1973&birthyear_max=2016&franch_id=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos=F&handed=&is_playoffs=N&c1stat=games_played&c1comp=gt&c1val=200&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&threshhold=5&order_by=points_per_game

stevezie

RexLibris: What I’m wondering is whether Johansen would’ve been the problem had they not hired Tortorella.

As soon as Torts was hired Jeff Marek said he they chose him specifically because they wanted someone to rein in Johansen. Marek himself refused to frame it negatively, just saying RJo danced to his own drummer, and CBS wanted him to dance to theirs.

What does this mean? Nothing. Not trying to spread heresay. Just trying to say the rift predated Torts.

stevezie

Quinlan: More famous yes. Bigger yes. More loved by the media yes. But better?

For my part, this is the argument. RJo has more league-wide value.

I don’t get the counter-argument.

Bag of Pucks

hunter1909: It could also have been Wonder Woman, back in the days when Lynda Carter was so hot, she only had to turn up in order to make every problem go away.

She could tie you up to make you tell her the truth and you wouldn’t mind it….one damn bit.

StevieG_8

Bag of Pucks:
A quick thought on Griffin Reinhart.

He was dominant in junior. That doesn’t happen if you have prohibitive foot speed issues and you certainly don’t go 4OV in the draft if you can’t skate.

I truly believe the issue with Reinhart is he needs the reps to get to that point as a pro when the game slows down that extra half second. I watched him a ton in junior and I think his greatest assets are his positional play and the way he thinks the game. His ability to angle Fs off the puck is sublime.

Dont give up on this kid. He’s going to be a pillar on this D core for a decade. Patience.

I heard he’s a workhorse in juniors. I really want him to succeed. I don’t mind some peace and quiet during his defensive shifts and in the offense, he seemed to have a big point shot in some junior highlights. He’s the type of defenseman you want to take your time on.

hunter1909

Bag of Pucks: I heard LT once had a fling with Farrah when she was still married to the six million dollar man.

Guy has balls of steel and the soul of a pirate.

It could also have been Wonder Woman, back in the days when Lynda Carter was so hot, she only had to turn up in order to make every problem go away.

Bag of Pucks

Lois Lowe:
Bag of Pucks,

I don’t think Reinhart has foot speed issues. I think that has become orthodoxy here of late. He does everything well, but nothing exceptionally. Right now my career comp is Steady Steve Staios, which is an effective, reliable 3-6 D on a good team.

For obvious reasons, I hope you’re wrong. My wishful upside is his Dad, Paul, but I’d happily settle for a Jason Smith type career.

Bag of Pucks

Lowetide:
Please, please, please refrain from posting things that are hearsay and about public people. I beg of you. Thanks.

I heard LT once had a fling with Farrah when she was still married to the six million dollar man.

Guy has balls of steel and the soul of a pirate.

Lois Lowe

Bag of Pucks,

I don’t think Reinhart has foot speed issues. I think that has become orthodoxy here of late. He does everything well, but nothing exceptionally. Right now my career comp is Steady Steve Staios, which is an effective, reliable 3-6 D on a good team.

Bag of Pucks

A quick thought on Griffin Reinhart.

He was dominant in junior. That doesn’t happen if you have prohibitive foot speed issues and you certainly don’t go 4OV in the draft if you can’t skate.

I truly believe the issue with Reinhart is he needs the reps to get to that point as a pro when the game slows down that extra half second. I watched him a ton in junior and I think his greatest assets are his positional play and the way he thinks the game. His ability to angle Fs off the puck is sublime.

Dont give up on this kid. He’s going to be a pillar on this D core for a decade. Patience.

Bag of Pucks

Alpine: I’m starting to believe in Ethan Bear as that potential dark horse. At least moreso than Griff. The former is torching Griff’s draft +1 numbers and is RH. And I like Griff just fine.

Good points. Love that big slapper of Bear’s fo sho.

leadfarmer

Rondo,

What a turd on a stick that article is. So a team that has ridiculous defensive depth can shelter their 21 year old defenseman. That’s is not a bad thing. He’s at the point were Larsson was a year and a half ago. You don’t want to trade for him because you don’t want to get ripped off and next thing you know they are untradeable and you’re off to the next target. Yes he’s is having a little bit of a tough time this year but his big argument is his point total. Well guess what unless you are playing with Weber and Josi no one on that team is putting up points. Their forward production completely relies on Forsberg, Neal, and Ribero as these are their only forwards on pace for more than 30 points

BTW this Nashville team is leading the league in shot differential and Rinne is holding them back this year. If he can get on track they will be deadly

Aron_S

Oddspell,

Right. Of course, this would make sense.

Bag of Pucks

Rondo:
Matt Henderson has an excellent article on Seth Jones

“THE JONES BULLET DODGED”

http://oilersnation.com/2016/1/6/the-jones-bullet-dodged

Seth Jones is going to be another Victor Hedman.

Try trading for Hedman now that he’s through the development stage. Impossible.

Henderson is basing his conclusion on Jones play as a 21 year old D. GMs are paid to have a tad more foresight than that.

Alpine

RexLibris,

I see Saad, Jenner, Wennberg as decent group of young Fs and Dubinsky, Foligno, Atkinson and Hartnell as useful veteran top 9 Fs. Merely decent, but really needs a Matthews more than any other bottom feeding F group in the league after moving Johansen. Foligno is overpaid but he delivers well in a number of ways.

On D, Tyutin can still hack it, Johnson and Savard aren’t much but Murray, Werenski and Jones is a very nice core to move forward with. Add Chychrun (Ekblad Jr.) to that if the Finns and Matthews are gone and it’s looking really good down the road.

So it’s not hopeless for them if they can land a good C sometime in the next couple years. And I really like the Jones trade as a sort of veiled tank move where you lose a top player and add a guy who might put off his breakout till next season after you sustain a good lottery position. Unfortunately, the draft odds from now on make tanking less worthwhile, but clinching 30th at least gets them someone elite.

But Torts is a fireable offense on its own.

Bos8

For all the cat people that might have missed this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuRn2S7iPNU

leadfarmer

Quinlan,

Please watch him play. Like I said before he was their version of “chance”. Always very dangerous whenever he stepped on the ice. He’s kind of like Hall in that good things are usually happening when he’s on the ice. He drives the bus. Nuge is a very good player but I wouldn’t say he drives the bus. You can’t compare points across teams. Nuge gets to play with some very good players, Johansen does a lot of the work himself

Rondo

Matt Henderson has an excellent article on Seth Jones

“THE JONES BULLET DODGED”

http://oilersnation.com/2016/1/6/the-jones-bullet-dodged

Oddspell

Aron_S,

I’m guessing Kessel as Chiarelli wasn’t at the helm when Thornton was a part of the organization.

Aron_S

Yegfoundation,

Congrats! It’s an awesome time and there’s always time for sleep later, isn’t there?

He’s given me the chance too watch more PVR’d OIlers games than when I lived at my parents in the Smyth-Weight-Guerin days. It’s a treat, I just wish these guys played more consistent hockey.