THE LONG AND WINDING ROAD (BUMP BUMP)

by Lowetide

This instant is an iconic moment in recent Oilers history, and I have been hoping Nail Yakupov could get back to that  point again in Edmonton. Last night our brilliant but flawed hero scored a goal, had multiple good looks and was absolutely flying. Nail Yakupov made a difference in the Shark tank.

FREE FALLING, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in October 2014: 4-5-1
  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-8-0
  • Oilers in November 2014: 2-9-3
  • Oilers in November 2015: 4-7-2
  • Oilers in December 2014: 2-8-4
  • Oilers in December 2015: 7-6-1
  • Oilers in January 2015: 5-7-1
  • Oilers in January 2016: 2-2-2
  • Oilers after 45 in 2014-15: 10-26-9, 29 points (-51 GD)
  • Oilers after 45 in 2015-16: 17-23-5, 39 points (-23 GD)

Ordinarily this is where I tell you where Edmonton ranks among the 30 teams (No. 28) and deliver some pissy line about the draft. Today, I will tell you that last night was a damned good game and it was encouraging. Don’t bring out the good whiskey, but you are allowed the hint of a smile.

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

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  • Interesting night for the third pairing, they played quite a bit in the big part of the game. Brandon Davidson also played a lot on the PK, Eric Gryba less because he was in the damned box quite a bit. Peter Chiarelli wants to find room for Griffin Reinhart, Gryba’s spot may be a good slot for him.
  • Andrej Sekera sent a few wayward son passes in strange directions, and got caught pinching on the GA, but he played forever and did many good things. Damn near scored in OT, but Martin bleeping Jones shaft (now there is a word) deflected the puck to the heavens. Thank you Jesus, thank you lord.
  • Mark Fayne was No. 4 in even-strength minutes tonight, perhaps Todd McLellan is growing to trust him a little more. If this guy is dangled at the deadline and no one bites, then the world has gone mad.
  • Darnell Nurse had some outstanding sequences, holy hell he was brilliant in moments of the game. He is all arms and legs (Larry Robinson looked exactly the same way, like Marcel Marceau on speed) but he can hammer and he can fly. Visually fantastic when in flight or working along the wall.
  • Justin Schultz is more settled with the puck these days, that is progress. One thing that has changed: There is far more try. I imagine it is too late but at least we saw a spark at the end.

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CENTERS, LAST NIGHT

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  • Anton Lander was part of a pretty effective line, he had a dynamite chance but blew a shoe on the play. I haven’t written his goodbye but it will be called Sail on, Red Eagle.
  • Leon Draisaitl and his new linemates (I was hoping they would stay together) couldn’t cash, Leon faced Brent Burns for seven minutes at evens (more than any other C, 5-3 Corsi events for Leon) and for me he didn’t get a lot of room. Sharks are a dandy team.
  • Ryan Nugent-Hopkins got 10 minutes of Vlasic pickles (9-10) as well as that blasted Joe Thornton for 8:44 (8-9). I like the Nuge, he looked good to me but he didn’t cash again. The Oilers need him to post offense at evens.
  • Mark Letestu got Kassian and Purcell (more in a moment) and had some tough opposition (many of the Sharks best players were over 22 minutes on the night: Pavelski, Marleau, Vlasic, Burns played 28 minutes).

https://twitter.com/NicholsOnHockey/status/688007616803565571

WINGERS, LAST NIGHT

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  • Nail Yakupov was brilliant in his return, all that pent up energy flowed through him and manifest itself in chance after chance. He was fantastic.
  • Lauri Korpikoski sent a lovely pass to Nail for the goal, but he got the short straw in playing time on a night when Todd McLellan had an abundance of tools on the wing.
  • Taylor Hall skated miles, almost cashed on a Kassian pass, seemed to be close to having things break right a few times. Alas, nothing rhymed. A great deal of frustration right now, I think he is Red from Shawshank (”I guess I just miss my friend”) without big Leon.
  • Jordan Eberle came alive in the clean air of OT, he and Nuge creating. I thought he scored at one point in the extra frame, but not to be. He was hot a couple of games back, suspect there is more coming from him before the AS break.
  • Benoit Pouliot was caught between the play a lot last night. There was one sequence where you could see him hesitating to go down low for support on defense, then committing, seeing the puck go back to the point where he should be, and of course he was out of position. Shiza happens, I still like him but sometimes he it looks like he isn’t keeping up with the lessons.
  • Iiro Pakarinen did a good job in my opinion, playing higher up the depth chart. He is a hard worker, don’t know that he belongs with Hall, but he did a helluva lot more than Pitlick did in the same situation a year ago.
  • Zack Kassian really does add a dimension. He hit a few guys, dropped his stick a lot, gave a cool interview and worked like a bugger. It is going to take some time, but the higher power I believe in insists on forgiveness so that will come in time. As I get older, it gets tougher. You would think it would be the other way around.
  • Teddy Purcell had a tough night with the Corgi’s and I don’t think his line was especially custom built for him, but he helped get the puck headed in a good direction and showed up in good ways. I am genuinely going to miss him when he’s gone.

https://twitter.com/Bryna_C/status/688011095152443394

STUBBORN KIND OF FELLOW

  • Peter Chiarelli about Griffin Reinhart: “I want to have him in the NHL. I believe he’s ready. He made the team. He’s a hell of a defenceman. He went down there nobly. And I told him I’d get him back up here. I’m glad we acquired him. He’s going to be a big part of the future. We have a player here who can dominate, and that can lug the puck, and that can make plays and for a bigger-sized man, he can move well, and I would expect him to be in our Top Four at some point. I wanted him to play more games without the pressure of being up here and I’ll get him back at some point in the relatively near future.” Source

I suspect Reinhart will be on the team after the All-Star break (perhaps with fellow rookie Brandon Davidson on the third pairing) and it brings into light an interesting problem for the GM. He has amassed quite the collection of LH blue, without adding much in the way of the lesser hand. Of course, you can play lefties anywhere (brilliant people, really), so we might see a top 6D next season like this:

  • Klefbom—Sekera
  • Nurse—Hamonic
  • Reinhart—Davidson

I would still run Fayne with Davidson but Reinhart is either here full time next season or he is down the line. One thing we should discuss is PC including one of the young lefties in a package to get a stone cold top pairing blue for RH side:

  • Griffin Reinhart—I don’t think he has the established value to be a centerpiece for procurement, not in getting a capable defenseman who can play big minutes.
  • Brandon Davidson—Big step forward, but NHL teams are going to want to see it over a longer period before his real value sinks in. Besides, he is a real value contract—Edmonton needs to be keeping guys who are worth $1M (or more) than they are being paid.
  • Darnell Nurse—I would rate the possibility of his being dealt at less than zero, but the Oilers have a lot of kids applying for the same spot in the batting order. You could fetch a giant or a Spaniard with Nurse as the available asset.
  • Oscar Klefbom—Young defender whose only negative is injury, hard to imagine Chiarelli moving him just as he gets into the heart of his NHL career. I think the chances of trading him are about equal to Nurse: Zero.

I think it is probably Reinhart or bust in terms of trading the young lefties, and I do think those pairings above are not far from what we will see next season. Is it enough? I will say no, not enough for a playoff team. Edmonton probably needs to add two defenders this summer, while also retaining Sekera, Klefbom, Nurse and Davidson. I could see them getting by with one addition, but only if Todd McLellan trusts Mark Fayne—we have no real evidence this will happen.

CAM TALBOT

Time to sign the man. Last night’s goal was not a good one, but he recovered and shut the door until the shootout. This morning, his SP is .912 and he is the main reason Edmonton is 2-2-2 in a frustrating and confusing month. Sign the man.

https://twitter.com/NicholsOnHockey/status/688009558212644864

The team that loses out on Drouin may come calling to the Oilers. Shattenkirk, Vatanen? Don’t know that Nashville trades another defender this winter.

https://twitter.com/NicholsOnHockey/status/688017477964578817

Peter Chiarelli should be in on this, and I think the time has come to bite the bullet a little. If they deal for him, and it works out, you have a major piece for a contending team. If it doesn’t, you overpay on the front end (for an extended rental) and don’t get enough back at 2017 deadline, but at least you did something and that’s what this fan base is screaming for today. Would you accept an Eberle plus for Shattenkirk plus trade? It may come to that, folks. Call it a difficult sacrifice in an effort to regain the balance lost in the 2006 Pronger trade. My goodness it has been a long time.

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LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

Today on the show (TSN1260, 10 this morning) we have a variety of subjects to cover and interesting guests to discuss them with on the show.

  • Steve Lansky, Big Mouth Sports. How are the two major sports networks adjusting to this new contract? Have things settled down yet?
  • Antony Bent, FC Edmonton. A big week for the Eddies, including a major signing and schedule release. We will talk about it and of course transfer window!
  • Paul Almeida, SSE. He’s back! Preview the Saturday show, talk about the deadline and signing free agents like Talbot and Purcell.
  • Frank Seravalli, TSN. Trade deadline, plus the Canadian dollar and the implications for NHL teams. Does that impact this deadline?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter.

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BONVIE

I couldnt agree more with you on this.

wintoon

Ever since the draft I have been hearing about how Chiarelli made a bad trade when he acquired Reinhart for picks. Having watched Reinhart closely in junior and while he was playing for the Oilers, I am convinced he is going to be full value for the Oilers.

He isn’t flashy nor is he a totally gifted offensive player. What he is, is a solid defensive player who is big enough to break the cycle and play a physical game when needed. He has decent hands and is a good passer.

Within a year he will be playing in our top four and acquitting himself well.

kinger_OIL

– I think the OIL fan values RNH similar to how we valued Hemsky: Hemsky was never a top-5 winger, RNH not a true 1C on many teams (he’s not even on our team now and we suck).

– Chia wants another really high ceiling D to build around: a D with Nurse/Klef/Griff/Davidson and a Hamilton or Jones type could be really really special for 10 years

– Personallly, I’d go for 3 more more #3-4 D’s, keep all three of our C’s: but I’m not GM: and he wants to trade from strength

JD_Wry

Snowman: Whether you agree with John Scott being an all star is another item. Could’ve voted.

The funniest thing for me, were the fans who said the inclusion of Scott had ruined the ASG for them.

frjohnk

vinotintazo:
I think RNH for Jones was a mistake short term, but who knows long term…

If your top 2 Cs are Rookies (Leon and McD.) I think we’ll be in trouble again.

I would hazard a guess that if RNH for Jones had went down that there would have been another trade for a veteran center

Diesel

Bruce McCurdy: I think the joke was at the league’s expense rather that Scott’s.

You’re likely right about a portion of voters. Which portion belongs to who is up for (a pointless) debate.

I suppose in the big picture most opinions on the matter fall into one of a couple categories:

Those with a sense of humor (regardless of who is on the butt end of their joke).
Those with the desire to preserve the “righteousness” of the nominees, however they define it.
Those who genuinely want to pay tribute to a “blue collar” player. (Although there would be several other more deserving candidates)

Klima's_Bucket

Bruce McCurdy: Am I the only person that thinks this is a giant “FUCK YOU” from the NHL to its fans?

Since when has the NHL cared about its fans?
The last lockout, the big one before that, or the one before that???

Bruce McCurdy

Diesel:
In my opinion, anyone who thinks the John Scott nomination was an “every-man” story and not simply a case of fans with a flare for the ironic hoping to score a laugh at Scott’s expense has a little too much faith in humanity.

It was a bad situation made far worse by the way greaseball Gary and the league has allegedly handled it.

I think the joke was at the league’s expense rather that Scott’s.

commonfan14,

One of the more balanced and informative (ie not dripping with Oil hatred) posts from Spector. Kudos to him for that.

Diesel

In my opinion, anyone who thinks the John Scott nomination was an “every-man” story and not simply a case of fans with a flare for the ironic hoping to score a laugh at Scott’s expense has a little too much faith in humanity.

It was a bad situation made far worse by the way greaseball Gary and the league has allegedly handled it.

Snowman

Pajamah:
Bruce McCurdy,

JDï™,

Don’t get me wrong, I am not proclaiming that the MSM is smarter, just that they’re the only ones other than the NHL with a vested interest in attendees.

I’m also really and truly against fan voting. If Trump can convince Americans that he is the best choice, and Wyshynski can convince rubes to vote in John Scott, then I have 0 faith in the electorate/general public.

Having a problem with fan voting is a bit ridiculous. The whole entire league is fan driven. Literally. Fans pay everybody. If the golden goose says John Scott is pacific division captain that should be enough for Bettman. He forgets who pays the bills.

Whether you agree with John Scott being an all star is another item. Could’ve voted.

AnOmYnOuS1

commonfan14,

Interesting news. I chuckled at the fact that even those working in the NHL were split on the RNH vs Johansen debate.

Pajamah

Bruce McCurdy: hey, at least the fans didn’t try to clone Ovechkin & vote him in at two positions.

I object to the “fans are stupid” stereotype. If on the other had you postulated, “the fan VOTE is stupid” then I am on board. What a shit show, proving the league learned jack shit from the Girgensons fiasco while the (voting) fans were smart enough to escalate the tomfoolery to a whole new level.

Better stated on your end. It is the fan vote that is stupid. Because it allows for the vocal minority of brain dead fans to see John Scott voted in, let alone as a captain.

Not all fans are stupid. If I truly thought so, I certainly wouldn’t spend so much of my time on a hockey blog, conversing with fellow Oiler fans.

Not all fans are a-scum, I only consider them-a scum when they vote for terrible players.

Pajamah

Bruce McCurdy,

JDï™,

Don’t get me wrong, I am not proclaiming that the MSM is smarter, just that they’re the only ones other than the NHL with a vested interest in attendees.

I’m also really and truly against fan voting. If Trump can convince Americans that he is the best choice, and Wyshynski can convince rubes to vote in John Scott, then I have 0 faith in the electorate/general public.

vinotintazo

I think RNH for Jones was a mistake short term, but who knows long term…

If your top 2 Cs are Rookies (Leon and McD.) I think we’ll be in trouble again.

Snowman

Bruce McCurdy: Am I the only person that thinks this is a giant “FUCK YOU” from the NHL to its fans?

This feels like a giant fuck you to everyone involved. Just a pathetic handling of the whole situation. I’m not sure the league could have done this a poorer way from start to finish. Extremely mickey mouse and not in the entertaining cartoon mouse way.

commonfan29

Really does make you wonder about that Caleb Jones pick now. How far back was that idea on Chia’s mind?

leadfarmer

RexLibris,

4th OV for Hamonic? That is a crazy overpayment, even though we desperately need D there is no way I would do that.

Bruce McCurdy

Pajamah: Or the MSM can vote.
Fans are stupid.

hey, at least the fans didn’t try to clone Ovechkin & vote him in at two positions.

I object to the “fans are stupid” stereotype. If on the other had you postulated, “the fan VOTE is stupid” then I am on board. What a shit show, proving the league learned jack shit from the Girgensons fiasco while the (voting) fans were smart enough to escalate the tomfoolery to a whole new level.

commonfan29

Waiting for someone to find a way to crap on Spector’s reporting here on RNH-Jones and RNH vs Johansen:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/west-coast-bias-oilers-made-big-push-for-seth-jones/

You have to admit, the guy has his uses.

JD_Wry

Pajamah: Or the MSM can vote.

Maybe OV can play both wings and center?

SwedishPoster

RexLibris: You stubbornly refuse to accept the fact that Klefbom is obviously a stigmata!

So he’s injured because McDavid was injured?

Pajamah

Bruce McCurdy: Am I the only person that thinks this is a giant “FUCK YOU” from the NHL to its fans?

Not at all, but the idea of him getting in was basically the fans saying Fuck you to the NHL. Which without a doubt is well within our right, but the NHL was damned if they did, damned if they didn’t

John Scott plays in ASG – joke league
John Scott is forcibly traded so as to miss said ASG – joke league.

Stop giving fans the vote and let the players vote on who belongs there. Or the MSM can vote.
Fans are stupid. Anyone who thinks the game has value, and that it is increased by John Scott attending is delusional.

Hopefully this forces a re-jig on the game itself. 3 on 3 seems interesting enough, but I don’t care to watch lollygagging superstars piss around. Make the game valuable, like home ice in the Cup Finals. Something, just not this. And not John Scott.

godot10

stevezie:
vinotintazo,

Having longer control of Klefbom is a good point, but Hamonic is even cheaper and (judging by usage) slightly better. The four years of control might be worth it. Two great contracts, but you’re right Klef’s is a lot longer.

Hamonic isn’t cheaper over the next eight years. He is cheaper over the next four. He will be much more expensive than Klefbom in the 2nd four years, if you can keep him.

How good Klefbom is is obscured by how lousy the Oilers are.

Hamonic is a great option, probably the best option, as long as it doesn’t cost the Oilers Klefbom or Nurse, which would make him a big step backwards.

Loyal2theoil

RexLibris,

Thanks.

RexLibris

SwedishPoster: Nah, you’re missing the point. Hockey players get injured. Klefbom had one big injury that held him out for almost a year. Other than that he’s had the kind of cuts and bruises you expect from a hockey player. The injuries he’s had so far are unlikely to affect him in the future. They are unlikely to return. They are not a sign of a body that can’t sustain the NHL.
Feel free to disagree but no point in being douchy about it.

You stubbornly refuse to accept the fact that Klefbom is obviously a stigmata!

😉

fifthcartel

Oilers did offer RNH for Jones. Hmm, I don’t what to think. Does this RNH is a goner?

RexLibris

Bruce McCurdy: Am I the only person that thinks this is a giant “FUCK YOU” from the NHL to its fans?

Rex Codex Libris ‏@CodexRex 1m1 minute ago

@Archaeologuy Well the league decided they really couldn’t stomach all the feel-good press about a cinderella getting chosen by the fans.

SwedishPoster

TheOtherJohn:
SwedishPoster,

He’s had a lifetime of bad luck over the last 5 years. But he’s over it, got it

Nah, you’re missing the point. Hockey players get injured. Klefbom had one big injury that held him out for almost a year. Other than that he’s had the kind of cuts and bruises you expect from a hockey player. The injuries he’s had so far are unlikely to affect him in the future. They are unlikely to return. They are not a sign of a body that can’t sustain the NHL.
Feel free to disagree but no point in being douchy about it.

Bruce McCurdy

AnOmYnOuS1:
So interesting developments on the ASG and John Scott:

‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
John Scott was previously asked by both NHL and Arizona Coyotes to bow out of NHL All-Star Game. He refused. Trade likely takes care of that.

At this point, even if Scott isn’t deemed ineligible by NHL, he would almost certainly bow out of ASG on his own.

Am I the only person that thinks this is a giant “FUCK YOU” from the NHL to its fans?

RexLibris

stevezie,

Let’s imagine the Oilers drat 4th overall this year, which based on the conspiracy theories that surround this league would surprise no one.

That means you are most likely taking Chychrun.

I would move that pick for Hamonic and perhaps Snow would accept that move as well.

That gives you Hamonic, Klefbom, Sekera, Nurse, Davidson and Reinhart – assuming that Schultz and Gryba are sent out at the deadline, or draft in Schultz’s case, for picks.

With all the money likely coming off the books this summer, with or without the possibility of Chiarelli trading Pouliot, that leaves them ample room for that defense group and some money to pursue a *cough* heavy winger *cough*.

Water Fire

I don’t always think about Justin Schultz, but when I do and think of him as a St Louis Blue, I think Hitchcock might actually kill him on the bench at some point.

If Edmonton trades a lottery pick for Hamonic I think I’ll, well cry. He is not nearly good enough for that, not even close. Better to sign UFA’s than that.

Demers brings what Hammie does at no cost.

stevezie

Right now we need a RH defender. If we swapped Klef for Hamonic, we would still desperately need another defender, but now we can target a guy of either hand. It opens up the world

If we can get a better deal by waiting for the off-season, great. I don’t know where the negotiations are. If this is our only option, however, I think I take it.

RexLibris

Loyal2theoil:
Hunt Recalled. What does this mean?

Nothing.

Paper shuffle from the Klinkhammer waiver yesterday.

Oilers want 7D for the road trip coming up.

RexLibris

AsiaOil:
Hi GM, NYCO, Godot, Rex etc,

My reaction to the talk about Nilsson as starter material earlier in the season was…..woa nelly!The guy has some potential and I liked him as a backup in camp – but that was crazy early to make that call. I actually have not been happy with him the last month – he’s going down way too early fishing around for pucks which negates his biggest asset (size). He’s RFA and no rush to do anything.

As for Talbot – need to cut a deal or cut bait. In any case he’s upped his trade value but I’d rather sign him on a 2 year bridge deal that’s “fair”. Maybe in the range of $5 million over 2 year (2+3)?

LB has one more year before he is waiver eligible – let him and the Swede fight it out next TC for the backup slot.

I’d go three years for Talbot, at anything under $5 million, preferably something closer to $4 million AAV.

Nilsson is an RFA, so I’d like to keep him for one more year. If he outplays Brossoit next year, so be it. If not, you can almost always trade goalies.

stevezie

vinotintazo,

We do not make this move and then stop. We still got to sign someone else, but now we are no longer desperate for a rh Dman to play with Nurse or Reinhart. It makes the big move easier.

godot10: And Klefbom is better. The Oilers can’t win a game without him.

Having longer control of Klefbom is a good point, but Hamonic is even cheaper and (judging by usage) slightly better. The four years of control might be worth it. Two great contracts, but you’re right Klef’s is a lot longer.

The idea that we can’t win a game without Klefbom is irrelevant though. We would then gain Hamonic.

AnOmYnOuS1,

I’d rather trade a high pick. But if we get to keep Eberle for the price of making Klefbom right-handed, I think it makes sense.

Loyal2theoil

Hunt Recalled. What does this mean?

AsiaOil

Hi GM, NYCO, Godot, Rex etc,

My reaction to the talk about Nilsson as starter material earlier in the season was…..woa nelly! The guy has some potential and I liked him as a backup in camp – but that was crazy early to make that call. I actually have not been happy with him the last month – he’s going down way too early fishing around for pucks which negates his biggest asset (size). He’s RFA and no rush to do anything.

As for Talbot – need to cut a deal or cut bait. In any case he’s upped his trade value but I’d rather sign him on a 2 year bridge deal that’s “fair”. Maybe in the range of $5 million over 2 year (2+3)?

LB has one more year before he is waiver eligible – let him and the Swede fight it out next TC for the backup slot.

TheOtherJohn

SwedishPoster,

He’s had a lifetime of bad luck over the last 5 years. But he’s over it, got it

AnOmYnOuS1

So interesting developments on the ASG and John Scott:

‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
John Scott was previously asked by both NHL and Arizona Coyotes to bow out of NHL All-Star Game. He refused. Trade likely takes care of that.

At this point, even if Scott isn’t deemed ineligible by NHL, he would almost certainly bow out of ASG on his own.

AnOmYnOuS1

godot10:
The Oilers have control of Klefbom on a great contract for 8 years (well past all the critical contract renegotiatioins). Hamonic would only be under control for 4, and would have to be re-signed right in the middle of all the critical contract negotiations.

And Klefbom is better.The Oilers can’t win a game without him.

Not to mention he’s younger and looks to have at least comparable offensive capabilities. Hamonic is probably better defensively right now but Klef was getting better before the injury. From the looks of things Hamonic has only twice played a season without significant injury, his rookie year and during the lockout. Only positive of that trade is for handedness, otherwise it’s not worth it.

Getting Hamonic would be huge for our D, just not at the cost of Klef.

vinotintazo

stevezie: I don’t think we lose a Klef-Hamonic trade. We don’t exactly win

you dont go from 29 on the league to the playoff by just making lateral moves.

Oil’s D needs MASSIVE improvement.

that means they need to trade for 1 (im hoping 2) top-4 Deman on their prime before the start of next year, w/o giving up Klef/Nurse/Sekera.

In Chia we trust.

Klima's_Bucket

stevezie: I look forward to learning why I’m wrong.

It’s nice to see I’m not the only one that posts things here in hopes of reminding myself of how much of an idiot I am.

godot10

The Oilers have control of Klefbom on a great contract for 8 years (well past all the critical contract renegotiatioins). Hamonic would only be under control for 4, and would have to be re-signed right in the middle of all the critical contract negotiations.

And Klefbom is better. The Oilers can’t win a game without him.

RexLibris

G Money: Hmm, interesting question. I can say without hesitation that I’ve looked extensively at early-career statistics for predicting goalie outcomes. But otherwise, I am the farthest thing from a goalie expert!

This reminded me of the old saying about democracy being the worst form of government except for all the others.

Your expertise is relative to the rest of the field.

SwedishPoster

TheOtherJohn,

The only time he missed any longer time due to injury was the shoulder. He was cut by a skate during preseason and missed two weeks. He sat out a couple of weeks as a precaution after a hit to the head but it was not deemed a concussion. He got a charley horse during a game with the junior national teamand missed a couple of games. And then there was the shoulder where he was hit and crashed into a door to the bench that was open.

And now he got a broken finger and a cut that got infected.

These are all injuries from impact trauma. It’s not a bunch of muscle and joint injuries from wear and tear. The shoulder injury is the only one that affects these areas and are of the kind that might be lingering or slow you down but from what I’ve understood the shoulder isn’t bothering him at all, in fact it feels as good as ever. That surgery might actually strengthen the joint if there are zero complications.

I wouldn’t worry about Klefbom being injury prone. He had one big injury that he seems to have fully recovered from. Other than that he’s had some bad luck but he’s not missed much more time than your average hockey player who plays hard. If he starts getting more lingering injuries and the above mentioned wear and tear stuff then count me in with the worried group.

B S

godot10: Talbot will test the UFAmarket if one offers duration at a low salary.So one should offer two years at a moderate salary so he doesn’t test the market.2 years @ 4 million per.

2 years gives one time to see what Brossoit is.

I’m not so sure (I agree he will probably want at least $3 mil. but,), with the Cap staying stagnant (or dropping) and his lack of reliable track record he may get more short term on the market, But he’ll also be looking at overall earnings, a 3 year contract likely also gets him free as the cap is going up again too, and I don’t think any GMs are signing an unproven UFA goalie to more than 2 years at this stage, and probably not more than 3.5 mil. (though stupider things have happened).

stevezie

Lois Lowe: Shattenkirk for Ebs is a bad deal. I remain convinced the deal is going to be the lotto pick + prospect for Hamonic + picks.

I agree that this is the ideal trade for us, but if that doesn’t get it done?

I know it’s the unpopular opinion, but if it came down to either trading one of our good forwards or swapping Klef for Hamonic, I’d prefer the later. I like Klef as much as the rest of you, but I don’t think he’s better than Hamonic, is he? He’s got a fine contract, but so does Hamonic. I’m starting to wonder if our imbalance in rh-lh defenceman is as big of an issue as the forward-defence issue.

No, no it’s probably not. But still, I don’t think we lose a Klef-Hamonic trade. We don’t exactly win, but it balances us a little better. And it doesn’t create a hole at forward.

I look forward to learning why I’m wrong.

godot10

One doesn’t have to offer NIlsson $2 million. One just has to send him his qualifying offer, his current salary plus 10%, unless he dramatically improves the rest of the season.

godot10

B S:
This $3+ million/year Talbot talk is a little bizarre to me. He’s had a few good (very good) games. he also had some terrible games this season.

Remember when Duby had a 0.922 save percentage? that was across over half a season and people complained about his $3.5 mil. salary. If we’re getting bullish on Talbot and want to lock him up long term, I say $2.5 mil. per for 3 years with leeway depending on negotiations, offering term more readily than cap. The whole point of locking him up now is to get a deal, not spend Non-elite starter money for a goalie with backup experience.

Talbot will test the UFA market if one offers duration at a low salary. So one should offer two years at a moderate salary so he doesn’t test the market. 2 years @ 4 million per.

2 years gives one time to see what Brossoit is.