BLOWIN’ IN THE WIND

That was a strange hockey game last night. If we tried to make a list of what went wrong, we would have to pack a lunch because it would take all day. Anders Nilsson is going to get the horns today, but my goodness he had a lot of company. Both teams were miserable in coverage, line changes and giveaways. Sometimes the hockey is ragged, last night was such an evening.

THIS FLIGHT TONIGHT, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in October 2014: 4-5-1
  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-8-0
  • Oilers in November 2014: 2-9-3
  • Oilers in November 2015: 4-7-2
  • Oilers in December 2014: 2-8-4
  • Oilers in December 2015: 7-6-1
  • Oilers in January 2015: 5-7-1
  • Oilers in January 2016: 4-3-2
  • Oilers after 48 in 2014-15: 12-27-9, 33 points (-52 GD)
  • Oilers after 48 in 2015-16: 19-24-5, 43 points (-23 GD)

Not a grand night, but I think we went into the evening with the belief this would be a tough one to win. Suspect any bad feelings this morning come from the feeling of hope those two third-period goals gave us. They are getting closer, but the lack of balance on this roster is real and spectacular.

  • Individual High-Danger Scoring Chances: Leon Draisaitl (2); Zack Kassian (2); Taylor Hall (1); Benot Pouliot (1); Darnell Nurse (1); Iiro Pakarinen (1); Mark Fayne (1); Justin Schultz (1).

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

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  • Sekera—Fayne handled things well, for me Sekera was much better than the Florida game in terms of avoiding mental errors. A solid performance by this emerging pairing, the only quibble for me is their TOI trailed some others.
  • Nurse—Gryba had difficult moments last night, but I don’t think they were the reason Edmonton lost the game. Plenty of blame to go around on this night, this duo gets their share. Nurse is running around a lot now, they need to get that side of his game under control. He is chasing the puck carrier to the moon, and that leaves the slot or another danger area exposed. Not good. When the puck carrier is at your blue line and you are next to him, that means a helluva lot of guys are between you and the goalie. Can’t play defense that way, not with this team.
  • Davidson—Schultz are two ships going in opposite directions. Davidson was +3 during the blitz, we shall not be worrying about him for the next decade—unless his brain gets too big for his head. He was up against a good line and was wheeling a lot in his own end, but tried to make a difference—and often did. Schultz gets a large target for his role on any number of dog whistles, but I was especially unimpressed with his Moses impersonation when parting with Davidson to allow that rat fink Ryan Callahan a free lane to the net (Davidson took a penalty just in time).
  • Just one point for the defense last night, Darnell Nurse shovel-pass to daylight that was more clearing the zone than setting up Mark Letestu.

CENTERS, LAST NIGHT

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  • Leon Draisaitl and his line had their moments, but also missed opportunities and lapses in coverage. With Nuge out, more has to be given, but I have a very hard time thinking we should expect Leon to provide even greater contributions.
  • Mark Letestu and his trio performed well, ML was brilliant on his shorthanded goal and I thought moved the puck in a good direction. He isn’t fast or terrifically skilled or a lot of things, but he makes the safe play a lot and on this team that is very important.
  • Anton Lander has played 178 NHL games. 71 percent in the dot, great on the PK. He is Erik Condra, without the offense.
  • Matt Hendricks had a tough assignment and aside from the faceoffs (64 percent) there isn’t much to show for all the hard work.
  • The centers scored two goals and that is good production. I think they performed pretty well all things considered. Look, they need Nuge folks, and he isn’t coming back. They were good considering their abilities and experience.

WINGERS, LAST NIGHT

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  • Taylor Hall—Teddy Purcell looked good by the numbers and Hall sent a gorgeous pass to Leon for a goal. That said, Hall was -3 on the night and his coach was not pleased, although I think he could have used the Luba defense in a court of law. Purcell was part of the problem on the 0-1 goal.
  • Pouliot—Eberle were part of a line with Hendricks that couldn’t get much going, although I saw Pouliot good in this game (believe it or not). He delays progress like a bugger for the opposition and I like his passing a lot. Jordan Eberle had one of his poorest games, one of those where he seems to be surprised when he gets the puck.
  • Iiro Pakarinen had a helluva game, scoring one, assisting on another, hitting everything in sight and moving up and down the lineup like Casey Candaele in 1987. He was 8-2 with Letestu, 8-4 with Kassian, 3-6 with Lander, 3-2 with Hendricks, 0-1 with Hall, 1-4 with Eberle, 2-1 with Draisaitl, 2-0 with Purcell, 1-0 with Yakupov and 0-0 with Pouliot but did play 28 seconds with him (these are all evens Corsi events).
  • Zack Kassian was damned impressive I have to say. If he keeps doing this, the stink eye I have been giving him (quietly, under the radar, but he knows something is going on) will fade away. I honestly thought he would have spaghetti legs last night but he played well start to finish. Got under Stamkos skin like a Tikkanen. Are we going to like Kassian? Is that how this turns out?
  • Nail Yakupov was not as brilliant as he was in the first games back. Hurt early, he didn’t have the extra gear of the early games, and seemed to be unaware of his role on the winning goal. I really like Nail, but he needs to make that play if he wants to make a difference. Seriously. He should have been back on the play, to the point where the goalie would not lose control of his senses.

NILSSON OIL CAPTURE

ANDERS NILSSON

A bad night for a goalie who hasn’t had a good one in some time. He may need more B-12. He may need a trip to Bakersfield in the next while. Perhaps bring up Laurent Brossoit for a few games? Seems like a plan. Todd McLellan may feel differently. There is pressure here, tomorrow is not promised to Todd McLellan. If he is in this same position next season, the Oilers will be into their second decade of losing and the coach will have spent 18 months trying to get up that hill. No sir.

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NUGE

  • Pierre Lebrun: I don’t think Edmonton – in fact I know – they were not shopping him. I don’t think that was a priority for them, was to trade Nugent-Hopkins. But it doesn’t prevent other teams from checking in, because he’s a young center. Source

Interesting. This runs counter to what Mark Spector said less than a week ago (and we discussed at the time):

  • Mark Spector: Chiarelli had no comment on this report, neither confirming nor issuing a denial when reached. And of course, Nashville general manager David Poile chose to deal Jones to Columbus for Ryan Johansen instead. What it tells us is that Chiarelli sees Nugent-Hopkins as the one player from the Oilers former core that can command the greatest return — yet at the same time is expendable. Source

This Nuge thing has always left me scratching my head, because (as the link indicates) Spector is in fact a credible source. It would be easy for me to write ‘Spector doesn’t know what he is talking about’ but in the time I worked with him that was not the case. At all. Mark Spector has connections, gets major stories, and I do not recall one of them that came back and bit him.

That is what is strange about this story. Spector says Chiarelli had no comment, and I believe him. That tells me Nashville was the source, but the Oilers would have known this story had legs (it has been around awhile) and then chose to do nothing (Lebrun’s verbal seem coincidental to the overall story and how it is playing out in Edmonton). Here is what I think I know:

  • Mark Spector didn’t make this up. He wouldn’t jeopardize his relationship with Peter Chiarelli (Spector has gotten every major story since PC arrived in Edmonton, scooping Jim Matheson, Terry Jones and many others) over this, because it is not a major story.
  • Mark Spector has written on this subject more than once. Whoever his source is, it is a trusted one and I would guess he either has a second source or someone else who heard the same thing.
  • Nashville may have had a reason to get Nugent-Hopkins name out there (selfish ones) in terms of exciting the locals over Seth Jones or perhaps indicating to Columbus there were other suitors.
  • The Oilers did nothing about the story, let it sit out there building, for some time.

I would like to think Peter Chiarelli knows the full value of Ryan Nugent-Hopkins as a player. I would like to think the organization has an idea about how ridiculous it would be to send him away for defensive help this soon in the careers of Leon and McDavid. I have to tell you that I am not confident of that fact this morning. The way this story rolled out, hung in the air, and was not addressed for a long period tells me either something did happen with Nashville (beyond a simple phone call) or that the Oilers are fine with their center flapping in the wind like one of those big Canadian flags at the highway Husky.

I have defended Peter Chiarelli because of his (mostly) good work in Boston, but the way the Nuge reports have been handled leaves me flummoxed. I think Peter Chiarelli has some things to learn about this market. Perhaps he can ask Mark Spector the next time the two men are in conversation.

KLEFBOM

  • Todd McLellan: “He broke a bone in his knuckle and we thought he’d be back in five days … we look like morons. He got hurt originally on Glen Sather (banner) night. That was like four years ago (Dec. 11). He might be out two months.” Source

Very discouraging. We talked in summer about the lack of balance, and we absolutely discussed life without Oscar or Sekera and what it would look like. That is one reason I have a hard time getting too angry at the defense last night. What should our expectations be? Imagine this team without Brandon Davidson. Balance. Depth. The Oilers haven’t been close to having it on defense since the fall of 2006. Who does this? Only the Oilers.

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GRIFFIN REINHART

  • Scott Zerr: Not once has he had a game where you’d be convinced he’s ready for consistent NHL work. His lack of dominance at this level is very unnerving. If he doesn’t put something together after the all-star break, more in-depth concerns will emerge. Source

This is something to watch, because the verbal from Peter Chiarelli has been that GR is close and that we should see him in the next little while. In the days before Chiarelli, the GM would call up the touted defender and play him, in the hopes he turns it around. What is likely to happen in a case of this kind? If Reinhart can’t perform better than the man he is replacing, the fans are going to turn on him. No. It is better to keep Reinhart on the farm until he is comfortable and delivering consistent performances. When will that be? We wait.

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LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy show this morning, TSN 1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey. Bruce will explain to us last night’s game. He may need extra time.
  • Kurtis Mucha, Donnan and Vimy Hockey. Get your goalie questions to me, we talk about them at 10:40.
  • Michael Tanier, Bleacher Report. NFL weekend and some recent hirings.
  • Corey Graham, TSN 1260. The Oil Kings try to find consistency.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide twitter. Talk soon.

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  1. kinger_OIL says:

    – LT – great write-up. Re: Griff, I was over the top when I said it was a fireable offense, but if Griff isn’t a bonafide NHL D by next year, its huge negative equity incurred by Chia and the group that made it happen, like really bad from a multi-year development plan that bites you going forward

    – How ’bout those markets….

  2. GCW_69 says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – LT – great write-up.Re: Griff, I was over the top when I said it was a fireable offense, but if Griff isn’t a bonafide NHL D by next year, its huge negative equity incurred by Chia and the group that made it happen, like really bad from a multi-year development plan that bites you going forward

    – How ’bout those markets….

    I agree. The assets spent on Griff needed to be spent on someone who can help now, and not on the bottom pairing either.

  3. Oil2Oilers says:

    “NHL’s most laughable club loses on one of season’s most laughable goals” http://www.foxsports.com/nhl/story/edmonton-oilers-lose-goalie-anders-nilsson-way-out-of-net-brian-boyle-short-handed-goal-011916?cmpid=feed:-sports-MSNcom

    The Yankee’s are kicking sand in our face. Sadly the facts are on there side. On a more positive note Tampa Bay, despite being in Florida, is a real NHL team and the Oilers really should of won both games against them this year. Own goals, bloop singles and brain cramps.

  4. oilfan9911 says:

    Just a thought on the disconnect in the verbal surrounding Reinhart:

    With the caveat that I haven’t watched a single second of the Condors and am probably just pulling this out of my ass, the AHL is full of players who don’t always make the right play. Is it possible that Reinhart is reading and reacting in anticipation of the “correct” play and is getting burned when players zig instead of zag? IIRC Klefbom mentioned something similar, that it was in some respects easier to play D in the NHL because he knew with far more certainty what players were going to do, perhaps the same is occurring with Griffin. This would explain why Chiarelli is happy with Reinhart while Zerr hasn’t seen him take over games.

  5. theres oil in virginia says:

    He got hurt originally on Glen Sather (banner) night. That was like four years ago (Dec. 11).

    So, let me get this straight…Nuge has played with a broken hand for over a month? And his offense was a bit lacking during that time?

  6. Hall Awaits says:

    I’m confused.

    I thought Klefbom was back shortly after the ASG? Or is Todd saying two months from when the injury happened?

  7. OilClog says:

    So Anders brain fart is Yakupovs problem because Shultz is as useful on the blue line as the linesmen are anymore when comes to offsides and coaches challenges.

    Blaming Yakupov for that is absolutely asinine.

    He tried to God damn save the goal, sure he needs to work on his saving technique, but otherwise , how is it anyone’s fault when you’re goalie goes for a wander…

    Schultz knows he’s playing with a forward as a partner! Schultz should be more aware of this and hustled his ass back, nope.

    But it’s yak fault.

    Good grief

  8. Caramel Obvious says:

    Reports like that on Reinhart were readily available last year. When this becomes real and we all have to face it remember that this isn’t new information or 20/20 hindsight.

  9. Hall Awaits says:

    theres oil in virginia,

    I think he’s talking about K-Bom.

  10. Caramel Obvious says:

    Another quote from Zerr:

    “Yet there have been very few nights that Reinhart has been a significant factor unlike early in the season when Darnell Nurse was in Bakersfield and looked every bit the part of a high-end prospect who could take his game to the next level. In at least half of Reinhart’s games with the Condors, he’s been only their third-best blue liner behind a variety pack of David Musil, Nikita Nikitin and Jordan Oesterle. That’s not good enough.”

  11. Pouzar says:

    oilfan9911:
    Just a thought on the disconnect in the verbal surrounding Reinhart:

    With the caveat that I haven’t watched a single second of the Condors and am probably just pulling this out of my ass, theAHL is full of players who don’t always make the right play. Is it possible that Reinhart is reading and reacting in anticipation of the “correct” play and is getting burned when players zig instead of zag? IIRC Klefbom mentioned something similar, that it was in some respects easier to play D in the NHL because he knew with far more certainty what players were going to do, perhaps the same is occurring with Griffin. This would explain why Chiarelliis happy with Reinhart whileZerr hasn’t seen him take over games.

    This is a thing for sure and I also remember those Klefbom comments.

  12. Melman says:

    Good morning gang. Nothing better than a coffee and some Lowetide to start the day!

    Cheers

  13. Caramel Obvious says:

    Pouzar: This is a thing for sure and I also remember those Klefbom comments.

    This is a rationalization for sure. People say things all the time. Doesn’t make them true.

    You have to be very credulous to believe this.

  14. leadfarmer says:

    Those numbers on Yak are deceiving. He had an atrocious night. I’m sure the coach had a talk to him after the game. So many terrible decisions.

    The Nurse ship is sinking. The game is speeding up for him instead of slowing down which happens with young d. Time to sit or send him down.

    As for Reinhart I’m still shocked people are expecting to blow the walls of the AHL. Often there is not much difference between #1 AHL d and bottom pairing d men. There has been nothing in his development to suggest he will be ready to play any higher than bottom pair this year or next. The trade is done, time to accept him for what he is. If someone offers a good deal for him Chia should take it, but otherwise he will be a bottom pairing d for the next few years and might grow into the second pairing in the mid 20s

  15. leadfarmer says:

    Oh yeah, we can end that Hunt experiment any time now. He is not good enough in other aspects of the game to be able to highlight the few things he is good at.

  16. theres oil in virginia says:

    Hall Awaits:
    theres oil in virginia,

    I think he’s talking about K-Bom.

    Thanks, I skipped right over the big orange word: KLEFBOM.

  17. Snowman says:

    Caramel Obvious,

    Actually I’ve heard that very thing discussed multiple times by people who are playing or who have played in the NHL. If you’re a thinking player the NHL is (for lack of a better word) easier to play in because players make the proper decision more often than not.

    I’ve heard it enough times from enough different people who would know that I think there is probably something to it.

    However, Griff is coming from a ways back and he’s still got a ways to go. My opinion on the matter hasn’t changed much. Cheer like hell and hope it works out.

  18. flyfish1168 says:

    JMHO on two matters

    I believe PC was just fishing to see what other GMs maybe willing to give up or RNH. That is a long way from willing to trade him.

    On the winning goal. I felt schultz made a bad decision trying out his slap shot, that got blocked and created chaos. I feel Nail ankle is still bothering him and he did re aggravated it and didn’t trust it will enough to break hard in-font of the net. So he coasted in instead. JMHO

  19. Pouzar says:

    Caramel Obvious: This is a rationalization for sure.People say things all the time.Doesn’t make them true.

    You have to be very credulous to believe this.

    If you believe for one second that the AHL has more structure than the NHL then I invite you to elaborate. Have you been to a live AHL game lately? I have. It’s f^cking pond hockey compared to the NHL. Reinhart will never stand out as dominating in that environment. I have said many times it’s hard to evaluate defensemen in the AHL. This whole fallacy that one needs to “dominate” lesser competition is ridiculous.

  20. Lowetide says:

    OilClog:
    So Anders brain fart is Yakupovs problem because Shultz is as useful on the blue line as the linesmen are anymore when comes to offsides and coaches challenges.

    Blaming Yakupov for that is absolutely asinine.

    He tried to God damn save the goal, sure he needs to work on his saving technique, but otherwise , how is it anyone’s fault when you’re goalie goes for a wander…

    Schultz knows he’s playing with a forward as a partner! Schultz should be more aware of this and hustled his ass back, nope.

    But it’s yak fault.

    Good grief

    Yeah, it is Yak’s fault (along with others) because his job was to be the man back and we wasn’t. that was the play, Yak needed to leave the zone on his horse when the man he marked was leaving. changes the play. I love Yak, but fair is fair.

  21. SudburyOil says:

    Chiarelli’s handling of the Nuge story signals that he’s open for business: he’s working to address the problems on d and is foreshadowing what it might cost. Not pleasant for Nuge, but he might be bait for other offers.

  22. stener says:

    OilClog,

    Agreed. I’m not even sure Yak should’ve been playing after Coburn did his best referee impression in the first period. Looks like he was playing pretty tentatively for the rest of the game. I find it hard to fault him for not doing a balls-out feet first slide towards the end boards to block Boyle’s shot.

    What a lemon of a game for Nilsson

  23. Mattaklap says:

    Pouzar,

    Snowman,

    Apparently, many excellent hitters struggle in single-A baseball and then excel in the higher levels, often as a result of the pitching that they face getting less wild and unpredictable as progress is made through the minor leagues.

  24. TeeVee says:

    “…the stink eye I have been giving him (quietly, under the radar, but he knows something is going on) will fade away. ”

    This made me laugh. As did kassian yelling at Stamkos “you’re dead”.

  25. Woodguy says:

    I disagree that the LeBrun thing was incidental.

    The reporter in EDM who has had most of the Chia news is the one naming RNH so he can’t put his spin out through him.

    Chia’s closest connections are all out East so he uses one of them.

    LeBrun was clear as he said “I know they Oilers haven’t shopped RNH”

    If he knows it’s because Chia told him.

    Also,

    It’s possible for both Spector and LeBrun to be right.

    It’s possible that in a conversation with Poile Chia offered RNH for Jones.

    That doesn’t mean RNH was being shopped.

    Just discussed in a conversation.

  26. Caramel Obvious says:

    Pouzar: If you believe for one second that the AHL has more structure than the NHL then I invite you to elaborate. Have you been to a live AHL game lately? I have. It’s f^cking pond hockey compared to the NHL. Reinhart will never stand out as dominating in that environment. I have said many times it’s hard to evaluate defensemen in the AHL. This whole fallacy that one needs to “dominate” lesser competition is ridiculous.

    Think about what you are saying. Even if everything you say is true it is still a ridiculous rationalization.

    There is no such thing as an AHL player who plays better in the NHL. Which is what you are suggesting.

    If Reinhart’s strengths are his smarts you could even say that should help him. The less structure the game has the more you need to rely on your ability to read the game (i.e. smarts). Structure helps players by programming their decisions ahead of time. So if it is indeed true that Reinhart requires more structure to play well that’s not a good thing.

    So if you read what people are saying, Reinhart isn’t dominating it is because he isn’t that fast, doesn’t make that quick decisions, and isn’t physical enough. Which of these is going to get better in the NHL?

    People need to stop pretending that the AHL is some alternate universe. It’s hockey. Played by professionals. It is magical thinking to believe that there is a species of hockey player whose game is particularly suited for the NHL but not other leagues. If you are a good NHL player you should be a good AHL player. This should be obvious. Likewise, the best players in the AHL can play in the NHL.

  27. Caramel Obvious says:

    Mattaklap:
    Pouzar,

    Snowman,

    Apparently, many excellent hitters struggle in single-A baseball and then excel in the higher levels, often as a result of the pitching that they face getting less wild and unpredictable as progress is made through the minor leagues.

    This is complete nonsense. In fact, minor league hitting statistics translate to higher levels with remarkable predictability considering the true talent of the players as they move up the ladder is changing.

    There is no such thing as a hitter who hits better against better competition.

  28. Pouzar says:

    Lowetide: Yeah, it is Yak’s fault (along with others) because his job was to be the man back and we wasn’t. that was the play, Yak needed to leave the zone on his horse when the man he marked was leaving. changes the play. I love Yak, but fair is fair.

    Just watch that goal and pause it as you go through and watch how long Schultz is standing at the blue line facing JT Brown after Brown takes possession of the puck. You have got to be kidding me.
    Yak is not a d-man but LT is right, he has to read the situation better and realize he is the last line of defense there. But TMc has to wear some of this as well, Yak and Jultz back on D? What could go wrong?

  29. stephen sheps says:

    Lowetide: Yeah, it is Yak’s fault (along with others) because his job was to be the man back and we wasn’t. that was the play, Yak needed to leave the zone on his horse when the man he marked was leaving. changes the play. I love Yak, but fair is fair.

    Indeed fair is fair… but given the previous ankle injury and the back to back hits on said ankle (Montoya’s kick late in the 3rd on Monday, Coburn yesterday), it’s possible he was going about as fast as he could. However it was a pretty soft almost swatting motion he used to try and stop Boyle’s shot. I love Yak, but he could’ve maybe done a tiny bit better. That said, Nilsson’s gaffe was far more egregious and Schultz was also in the photo. Lots of blame to go around on that ridiculous goal, and as you said, not all should be directed at young Nail. It’s unfortunate that he will likely receive most of the attention given his history of defensive lapses.

  30. Pouzar says:

    Caramel Obvious: There is no such thing as an AHL player who plays better in the NHL.

    Drai says Hi.

  31. Mattaklap says:

    Caramel Obvious,

    Cool story bro. I guess I’ll take your word for it.

  32. Woodguy says:

    Caramel Obvious:
    Woodguy with the embarrassing iphone typo.Is it too late to edit?

    I fixed it.

    Hardly embarrassing though.

  33. G Money says:

    Re: Yak – I watched and rewatched the play unfold in slomo.

    Blaming Yak is silly – he wears a bit of it, but in some measures it was bad luck, by most measures it was a foolish move by Nilsson.

    The thing to realize about the play is that it started with a slap shot (!!) from Schultz that was blocked. The process of the TB defenders moving to react to the slap shot left a soft spot just in front of Yak.

    Here’s the thing: Yak is a goalscorer, not a defenseman. One of the ways in which goal scorers score is by instinctively moving into gaps and soft spots in coverage. That’s what he did.

    If he were a defenseman, or even more experienced, he might have realized that the slap shot had been blocked and that TB would be the first to recover it. But he didn’t, he instinctively moved up into the gap, and that’s what let Boyle get behind him.

    A defenseman of any experience likely wouldn’t have let that happen, but that is also what happens when you have a forward playing in that spot – your likelihood of odd man rushes the other way goes up.

    Once that happened, once the slap shot was blocked, recovered by TB, and passed to the leading forward, the second mistake that Yak made is in not realizing WHO was in front of him with the puck.

    If he’d realized sooner it was Boyle, he would have realized that IF he’d gotten on his horse he probably could have caught him.

    Late in the third period of a three-games-in-four, with burning legs and cloudy head, Yak is faster than most, but he’s still not going to catch 90% of the skaters in the league in that situation. But Boyle, it was possible. But he didn’t realize it until it was too late, which means he got on his horse too late. You can see that in his slow-fast-slow-fast-slow response – “he’s too far for me to catch” “holy shit, that’s Boyle, maybe I *can* catch him” “too late holy crap what is Anders doing goddamn it”

    These are, however, relatively minor and understandable mistakes, and pale in comparison to some of the more major brain farts that were committed by the entire rest of the team (including Yak) during the rest of the game.

  34. Caramel Obvious says:

    Mattaklap:
    Caramel Obvious,

    Cool story bro. I guess I’ll take your word for it.

    Don’t take my word for it (though you should) look it up yourself. It’s well known.

    Or you could just go on believing whatever nonsense is in your head. Suit yourself.

  35. Little Poteet says:

    Woodguy,

    I found it funny that “china’s connections are all out east”

    Not embarrassing, just a funny internet moment

  36. Melman says:

    Woodguy,

    I agree with you on the LeBrun connection and Chia asking him to douse the fire MS stirred up. It’s also possible that while hasn’t said anything in the Edm. press he pulled RNH aside for a quick chat and told him not to worry about it.

    Pouzar,

    Good point about Yak and Jultz being together on D, especially on a night where Jultz was back to his casual defensive ways.

  37. linkfromhyrule says:

    Caramel Obvious: Don’t take my word for it (though you should) look it up yourself.It’s well known.

    Or you could just go on believing whatever nonsense is in your head.Suit yourself.

    You are just one big logical fallacy, aren’t you?

  38. Mattaklap says:

    Caramel Obvious,

    Easy there, lad. I put “apparently” in front of my initial comment for a reason: thought it was a fun thing I’d read somewhere. I’ll run these things by you in advance next time.

  39. Little Poteet says:

    Seems like the hope that got crushed last night in a game we knew we probably wouldn’t win beforehand has left everyone in a pretty sour mood this morning

  40. hunter1909 says:

    Hunter1909 Official Oilers 2016 Death March Leaderboard for 20.1.16
    Oilers headed for a 73 point season;

    The player listed predicted a 73 point finish:

    BS

  41. Centre of attention says:

    In reference to Reinhart,

    Boychuck spent a lot of time in the Minors.

    Maybe Griffin needs as much time as Davidson did?

    Waiting is probably the best thing to do in this situation.

  42. Pouzar says:

    Caramel Obvious: In fact, minor league hitting statistics translate to higher levels with remarkable predictability

    If only…

  43. hunter1909 says:

    Little Poteet:
    Seems like the hope that got crushed last night in a game we knew we probably wouldn’t win beforehand has left everyone in a pretty sour mood this morning

    Hope was crushed, yes, but that happened a very long time ago. Last night was more of a routine slap.

  44. Centre of attention says:

    TSX is plummeting, then I see this.

    CBC News Retweeted

    CBC Toronto ‏@CBCToronto · 1m1 minute ago
    Thick black smoke pouring from downtown building right now.

    I tried not to chuckle, but is it a coincidence TO is burning down?

  45. Snowman says:

    http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/01/20/mclellan-laments-nugent-hopkins-loss-for-me-hes-like-joe-pavelski/

    Good short read here for people like me who need Nuge reassurance at times.

  46. Centre of attention says:

    Snowman:
    http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/01/20/mclellan-laments-nugent-hopkins-loss-for-me-hes-like-joe-pavelski/

    Good short read here for people like me who need Nuge reassurance at times.

    “Yet despite that, McLellan continued to go to bat for his young pivot.

    “Nuge gets a bad rap for being soft,” he explained. “He’s the farthest thing from soft.”

    Todd sees what we see.

  47. hunter1909 says:

    Kassian: Player of the game. KLowe+MacT’s wet dream come true.

    Like I said, Canucks fans are in for a real treat, since they will be seeing a lot of former Canuck Zack in the coming seasons.

    Kassian with McDavid +Yakupov = All Star line

    Yakupov Last Night: Pleeeease folks. Yakupov nearly had his leg broken and yet was tough enough to return to the game. He’s going to be fine. Just fine. More of a Chiarelli type player than Eberle, thankfully.

    Griffin Reinhart: The last thing they need to do is promote this player. He needs to rot in the AHL for the rest of his career if necessary. If he’s good enough, he plays for the NHL team. This isn’t rocket science.

  48. Snowman says:

    Centre of attention,

    Todd not only sees what we see. The amount of time that Todd and Chia say they spend together talking about things because gives more credence to Lebrun’s take on the story. If this is how Todd sees Nuge and he’s working closely with Chia (which Chia has said numberous times) then you can bet that Chia sees Nuge this way too.

  49. G Money says:

    Pouzar: Drai says Hi.

    Indeed.

    Drai, AHL: 6 games, 2 pts, -5, questions and concerns about why he’s not dominating

    Drai, NHL: first 6 games after recall, 4 goals, 10 pts, +5, amazement at how dominating he is

    (I recognize that +- is not a good stat, but it’s easily available, so …)

    Yes, only 6 games. How many games in the AHL before Drai was fully out of his funk and adapting? Reinhart’s at 14 games right now, not exactly an overwhelming number.

    That said, Zerr’s report should be concerning to anyone, especially Chia Pete. It’s not a necessity, but it would be nice to see Reinhart dominate.

    Conversely, being on the farm at this point and age is not indicative of ANY sort of failure. (Brandon Davidson says hi. So does Mark Giordano and a whole pile of others).

    I’m more interested in why Zerr’s assessment is different from other comments from the farm of late, several of which point to Reinhart as having had some terrific games down there.

    If Zerr has decided that Reinhart’s a failure, I wouldn’t expect to get any more objective a report out of him than I do from Caramel.

    I suspect Reinhart will be back up after the ASG, and I hope that he shows at least some decent progression towards calmer, quicker, better decision making. If he doesn’t, that’s a problem.

  50. stephen sheps says:

    Centre of attention:
    In reference to Reinhart,

    Boychuck spent a lot of time in the Minors.

    Maybe Griffin needs as much time as Davidson did?

    Waiting is probably the best thing to do in this situation.

    quoted for truth

    I think so much of the GR malaise comes from his draft position and his cost but at this point those factors no longer matter. He’s an Oilers asset now and as a wise man once said around these parts, defencemen develop by sundial. Why should Griff be any different? Let’s drown out the noise about the picks traded, drown out the inevitable draft pedigree BS and let the kid develop.

  51. visiondude says:

    Long time lurker and avid fan. Thanks LT for all the work and all the regular posters. I’ve learned a ton about advanced stats and “seen him good”. Also I was an avid Expos fans through the early 90’s…still have the ’94 schedule up on my wall at my parent’s place…sigh…

    Found this and thought it might add fire to the baseball talk 😉
    http://www.hardballtimes.com/katoh-forecasting-a-hitters-major-league-performance-with-minor-league-stats/

  52. dustrock says:

    Woodguy,

    The other possibility regarding Nuge is that Chia Pete has come to the conclusion that if he has to move somebody, Nuge would be preferable to McDavid and Draisaitl and would get a good return.

    He might have confirmed that to Spector. Spector then takes a leap and assumes he offered RNH for Jones. That has only been suggested by Spector. Lebrun specifically says RNH was not offered, but might have been requested by Poile. That’s much more specific than Spector.

  53. godot10 says:

    oilfan9911:
    Just a thought on the disconnect in the verbal surrounding Reinhart:

    With the caveat that I haven’t watched a single second of the Condors and am probably just pulling this out of my ass, theAHL is full of players who don’t always make the right play. Is it possible that Reinhart is reading and reacting in anticipation of the “correct” play and is getting burned when players zig instead of zag? IIRC Klefbom mentioned something similar, that it was in some respects easier to play D in the NHL because he knew with far more certainty what players were going to do, perhaps the same is occurring with Griffin. This would explain why Chiarelliis happy with Reinhart whileZerr hasn’t seen him take over games.

    Reinhart will never look like Darnell Nurse. If Zehr is criticizing Reinhart because he doesn’t look like Darnell Nurse in the AHL, IMHO, he is an idiot.

    Reinhart pretty much is the anti-Nurse. Nurse is supposed to be dynamic when he is playing well, Reinhart is supposed to be “invisible” when he is playing well.

    Nurse is supposed to be Larry Robinson. Reinhart is supposed to be a big physical Hjalmarsson.

  54. Mattaklap says:

    Pouzar,

    Caramel Obvious,

    “a. In general, the major impact of sabermetric analysis is a better judgment of a player’s value to
    his team, not predicting how his statistics against inferior competition will correlate with those at the highest level. The problem we face is that early conclusions are faulty, requiring promotion to higher levels to really put together a prospect’s statistical portfolio.”

    From this paper: http://pages.pomona.edu/~gjc04747/MiLB.pdf

    These guys don’t seem all that certain that minor league stats predict those at higher levels. Essentially, they have a somewhat predictive model, but suggest teams still rely on draft pedigree for prediction of future success. So if that remarkable accuracy is present, teams are ignoring it. Just one source though.

  55. Factotum says:

    My God. Look at how young Linda Ronstadt is in that photo. More than half a lifetime ago…
    LT, you sure know how to make a guy feel old.

  56. CrazyCoach says:

    oilfan9911: Is it possible that Reinhart is reading and reacting in anticipation of the “correct” play and is getting burned when players zig instead of zag

    If his read and react skills are questionable at this point, it will be a tough uphill climb for him. Read and react can be taught at any age of course, but the younger the better. You would think that a pro scouting department would have seen that when they evaluated him last season, or they saw a mobile coke machine and got stars in their eyes.

    I can’t emphasize read and react skills enough. They are often the difference between a player like Wayne Gretzky and Bruce Boudreau.

  57. Mattaklap says:

    visiondude,

    Awesome, really good read.

    Caramel Obvious,

    I especially liked this part:

    “A hitter doesn’t need to be particularly good at hitting to run a high walk rate in the low minors, as pitchers at these levels often have little idea where the ball’s going.”

  58. CrazyCoach says:

    Melman: Good morning gang. Nothing better than a coffee and some Lowetide to start the day!
    Cheers

    Morning Melman. My workplace is without power today, but thanks to my laptop and a working modem, I’m here as well.

  59. CrazyCoach says:

    TeeVee: This made me laugh. As did kassian yelling at Stamkos “you’re dead”.

    That’s the kind of moxy that’s been missing on this club.

    Are the kids today still saying Moxy?

  60. papa96 says:

    LT, wasn’t it just a few weeks ago you were talking about the wretched state of Canada’s print media? Apparently yesterday’s lay-offs at the Edmonton Journal included John MacKinnon and Joanne Ireland (among about 33 others). Brutal!

  61. John Chambers says:

    Could Reinhart be the next …

    Forbort, Gormley, Tinordi, Barker, or Rundblad?

    Chiarelli will have to assess whether this player has a potential or whether to salvage the remaining value.

    I was a defender of the trade, but it appears Grif’s development is a tad behind schedule.

  62. OTO says:

    hunter1909:
    Kassian: Player of the game. KLowe+MacT’s wet dream come true.

    Like I said, Canucks fans are in for a real treat, since they will be seeing a lot of former Canuck Zack in the coming seasons.

    Kassian with McDavid +Yakupov = All Star line

    Yakupov Last Night: Pleeeease folks. Yakupov nearly had his leg broken and yet was tough enough to return to the game. He’s going to be fine. Just fine. More of a Chiarelli type player than Eberle, thankfully.

    Griffin Reinhart: The last thing they need to do is promote this player. He needs to rot in the AHL for the rest of his career if necessary. If he’s good enough, he plays for the NHL team. This isn’t rocket science.

    Very nice completely agree

  63. Eastern Oil says:

    G Money,

    I thought I had read a few reports that Griff was looking pretty good on the farm too. Steady, fairly physical, calm. I thought I dreamt them but thanks for confirming what I thought I saw.

  64. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy: Also,
    It’s possible for both Spector and LeBrun to be right.
    It’s possible that in a conversation with Poile Chia offered RNH for Jones.
    That doesn’t mean RNH was being shopped.
    Just discussed in a conversation.

    This is basically my take on the stories too.

    They are not mutually exclusive.

    PL basically says two things of note:

    1. Oilers not shopping RNH
    2. Oilers aware of the value of RNH to their young C depth

    That is not inconsistent with the idea that RNH came up, even perhaps seriously, in trade conversations with NASH.

    The crucial thing here when you strip away Specter’s own rub on the chicken, is that all Specter really reported is that RNH has been discussed in a Jones-centered trade with NASH.

    The idea that RNH is “expendable” is phrased in this manner: “What it tells us…” i.e., this is Specter’s own inference stemming from the fact RNH’s name circulated in a trade convo.

    So, not much factual smoke.

    And, PL sets a bar we should acknowledge as being pretty high. A lot of players get traded despite never being “shopped.”

  65. Eastern Oil says:

    CrazyCoach,

    Great read in the article by Bruce by the way. Enjoyable to read and great info on someone I am pulling for. More please!

    Thanks to Bruce too!

  66. raventalon40 says:

    Here’s an actual question: does Justin Schultz have any value to any NHL team?

    if YES:
    Can we trade him for a draft pick or acquire another Brandon Davidson type from another NHL team? His body language on the ice gives me fits. I’d rather get a safe lower pairing D than keep hoping Justin wakes up.

    if NO:
    Can we send him down to the AHL thru waivers? I’d rather give the farm team a guy to man the PP with Hunt called up, and give those boys in the A a better chance to win every night, and also get a chance to audition some of our minor league D-men like Musil, Oesterle, Reinhart and Gernat.

    Hell… I’d even give Nikitin another look. But if we get a pick out of it we can flip it as part of a deal for another actual NHL d man

  67. CrazyCoach says:

    Eastern Oil: Great read in the article by Bruce by the way. Enjoyable to read and great info on someone I am pulling for. More please!
    Thanks to Bruce too!

    Thanks, and a big thanks to Bruce for asking me to do the first one on Marincin a few years back. I’m lucky that I have a WHL team here where I live and an understanding wife who encourages the sports geek in me.

  68. rickithebear says:

    oilers D 05-06
    HSCA60 rank of 187 D
    #8 Pronger 8.33
    #12 MAB 8.63
    #20 Staios 8.96
    #23 Greene 9.11
    #27 Spacek 9.22
    #32 Smith 9.35

    Oilers 15-16 D
    HSCA60 rank of 189 D
    #50 Davidson 9.77 #101 comp
    #67 Klefbom 10.12 #26 comp
    —————————————–
    #130 Rheinhart 11.17 #53 comp
    #134 Fayne 11.27 #11 comp
    #143 Sekera 11.50 #36 comp
    —————————————-
    #181 Schultz 12.99 #112 comp
    #182 Gryba 13.06 #135 comp
    #185 Nurse 13.70 #91 comp

    1-65 1st pair
    66-130 2nd pair
    131 down 3rd pair

  69. CrazyCoach says:

    Ethan Bear Continues To Impress

    There is hope for the Oilers blueline.

    Thanks again to Bruce!

  70. Pouzar says:

    CrazyCoach:
    Ethan Bear Continues To Impress

    There is hope for the Oilers blueline.

    Thanks again to Bruce!

    Awesome stuff thank you!

  71. meanashell11 says:

    With respect to Spector’s story, I think Macbeth sums up my thoughts precisely:

    “It is a tale
    Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
    Signifying nothing.

  72. VanIsleOil says:

    Bohologo: Conversely, I did not love the trade, but is it fair to say Reinhart’s development is behind schedule? He was drafted in 2012, so if we give him five years, perhaps we’re looking at 2017 before we can say with more credibility where the player stands, no?

    I’d love to see the guy striking fear in the hearts of Leafs, Habs, and Flames everywhere starting yesterday, but some allowance should be made for player development. AHL is a development league, and the NHL is not, as we have seen with a decade of squandered youthful talent.

    On this board, as a community, we have a tendency to cross-message; get upset that some players are not developed properly and rushed into big league service imprudently, while decrying the slow tracking of players still in the minors.

    If Reinhart needs to develop a bit more, let’s give the kid another season. Then we’ll know better.

    This… Especially the paragraph beginning with “On this board”

  73. Caramel Obvious says:

    Mattaklap:
    visiondude,

    Awesome, really good read.

    Caramel Obvious,

    I especially liked this part:

    “A hitter doesn’t need to be particularly good at hitting to run a high walk rate in the low minors, as pitchers at these levels often have little idea where the ball’s going.”

    The translating of minor league hitting into major league hitting has been established for a long time. Projecting major league stats for minor league players works, that is, it is not really less accurate than projecting major league stats with major league stats.

    That said, there has been small refinements on the edges regarding walk and strikeout rates. But that’s refinement on the edges, not an argument against the principle.

    Projecting pitchers with minor league stats is more difficult, but that’s because of the larger degree of variance of the defense behind the pitcher.

    The biggest challenge with projecting on the basis of minor league stats in baseball has nothing to do with the inherent differences at different levels of play, but because the ability of young players doesn’t stay the same.

    The same could be said in hockey, though quite clearly less so, mostly I suspect, because baseball is a skill game rather than an athlete game. Prospects fail to fulfill their promise in baseball far more often, likewise stars (or at least star seasons) out of nowhere happen all the time.

    By contrast, you almost never have a guy turn into a scorer overnight in hockey. Average hitters or worse turn into really good hitters all the time in baseball. Jose Bautista is a good example of this. He changed his approach and became a different guy. That’s basically impossible in hockey.

  74. Kmart99 says:

    Based on history, Reinhart will never become a #2 on a playoff team. At this point, even becoming a #4 on a playoff team is unlikely. If he can get himself to play consistantly as a #5 on a successful team, I’d say that’s good, but boy was the price too high.

  75. CrazyCoach says:

    Caramel Obvious: The same could be said in hockey, though quite clearly less so, mostly I suspect, because baseball is a skill game rather than an athlete game. Prospects fail to fulfill their promise in baseball far more often, likewise stars (or at least star seasons) out of nowhere happen all the time.
    By contrast, you almost never have a guy turn into a scorer overnight in hockey. Average hitters or worse turn into really good hitters all the time in baseball. Jose Bautista is a good example of this. He changed his approach and became a different guy. That’s basically impossible in hockey.

    I’m not sure how skills such as skating, stick handling, passing, shooting, and checking (the five basic technical skills) differ from hitting, running, throwing, catching, and hitting for power (five tools) that makes baseball a skill game and hockey an athlete game.

    Also, what about guys like Andrew Cogliano, who changed his approach from goal scorer in junior to third line wunderkind?

  76. Caramel Obvious says:

    Players drafted in the same round as Reinhart but after him:

    Morgan Reilly
    Hampus Lindholm
    Matt Dumba
    Derrick Pouliot
    Jacob Trouba
    Slater Koekkoek
    Cody Ceci
    Olli Maata
    Mike Matheson
    Jordan Schmaltz
    Brady Skeij

    Some of these are established NHL players now, others are not. Which group do you think is on track? Of those that are not established NHL players how many do you think will ever become so?

    I’m not saying release the guy, or trade him away for nothing. I’m saying he’s not on track and that it was a terrible trade. The five year rule doesn’t really apply to first round picks who are to develop into major contributors.

    It applies to guys like Brandon Davidson.

  77. stener says:

    The jury is out on Griffin for sure. Looking back at the 2012 draft, there were much better dmen taken after him. That being said, as a guy who didn’t have any standout tools and was being touted as more of an all-rounder I think this is the time when you have to apply the 5-year rule.
    I’ve always used Braydon Coburn as a comparable for him (high pick, same style of player) and he didn’t have a full-time NHL job until the 2007-08 season, 4 full seasons after being drafted.
    Devote the rest of the year to his development, be it in the AHL or the big-show. Boost his confidence and get him on Leon’s summer skating workout.
    If he isn’t helping the team in a full-time role beginning next season, then it’s time for the alarm bells.

  78. Pouzar says:

    Caramel Obvious:
    Players drafted in the same round as Reinhart but after him:

    Morgan Reilly
    Hampus Lindholm
    Matt Dumba
    Derrick Pouliot
    Jacob Trouba
    Slater Koekkoek
    Cody Ceci
    Olli Maata
    Mike Matheson
    Jordan Schmaltz
    Brady Skeij

    Some of these are established NHL players now, others are not.Which group do you think is on track?Of those that are not established NHL players how many do you think will ever become so?

    I’m not saying release the guy, or trade him away for nothing.I’m saying he’s not on track and that it was a terrible trade.The five year rule doesn’t really apply to first round picks who are to develop into major contributors.

    It applies to guys like Brandon Davidson.

    In his first 5 post draft years Niklas Kronwall played 20 gms of NHL hockey.

    Think the Wings have a clue or 2?

  79. Nate780 says:

    Lowetide,

    and he was, and could have easily pushed Boyle to the boards and out of any kind of scoring chance, had Nilsson stayed in his net.

  80. hunter1909 says:

    Recently watched highlights of the AHL with Sam Gagner playing very well for the Phantoms. Much like how he semi-dominated during his early Oiler years.

    I wonder what Gagner fans think, seeing Kassian charm his way into the hearts of the fan base.

  81. vinotintazo says:

    One of the reasons Reinhart is not on our current Roster is because we already have 2 rookies on our NHL D (left handed btw).

    -Can he be a 3rd pair in the NHL right now? I think so.
    -Does it hurt that he’s playing top minutes and all situations on the AHL? Nope.

    Let the man marinate in the AHL for as long as it requires it.

    To be fair, Nurse should probably be there also.

  82. Snowman says:

    hunter1909,

    I imagine most Gagner fans are Oiler fans and if there’s a more fickle group of people on Earth than Oilers fans I’ve never come across them.

    All it takes is a couple hits and a couple points or a dry spell and a reporter calling you soft. The mob is waiting with open arms but they’ve got their pitchforks sharpened.

  83. hunter1909 says:

    Re The Journal’s decline: Ominous to see the print trade go under. It’s like witnessing the end of free speech.

  84. hunter1909 says:

    What some around here don’t understand is that Patrick Kane, aside from heavy chick action would have busted as an Oiler.

  85. admiralmark says:

    Reinhart and Schultz. We lost out on Barzal + for Reinhart… Bob Green had seen enough of Reinhart to know what he’s made of. We lost Petry because of Schultz and continue to waste time and pass on assets because MacT/Howson/Lowe gave him the vote of confidence. Until Chia wakes up and makes a decision contrary to this old boys club… And yes Bob Green is included for obvious reasons.. This team will go no where. Brutal.

  86. Jordan says:

    @Lowetide

    Stop pumping Mattlock’s tires on your AM Radio Show damn it.

    Jim Rockford was a way better detective. Also, better hair.

    But please feel free to keep pumping Castle’s tires.

    Nathan Fillion is a wonderful actor, and a true Edmonton treasure. If you don’t know who he is, and live in Edmonton… please google him. And if Dusty is readying this, I suggest you google him at google.com.

    Re: Oilers.

    Lots of goats last night. Enjoyed watching the game, but it’s hard to enjoy the game as much when Talbot’s not in net. God, that man is like a warm blanket on a cold night for this team.

    There might be a little drop-off between having Klefbom in your lineup and having Hunt in your lineup. So, that may have contributed as well.

    I think it’s quite funny that the Oilers are working so hard to keep nurse and davidson off the powerplay. Either of them would be better options than Hunt or Schultz, and some nights than Sekera too. But I think it’s being done intentionally to keep their minutes down, and thereby keep next contracts down too.

    Davidson can shoot the puck. Only reason to not have him on a PP that’s not working and giving up shorties (has all this season) is for reasons not related to winning.

    The forwards were messy. With RNH out, that’s expected. So tempted to make a 3C joke, but, I can resist. Would have been nice to see this team with 1A 1B and 1C Centers… Guess we wait for next year.

    I’m really liking how our wingers are shaping up. With Kassian in there, I’m not even sure you need a Lucic-type player. Kassian’s cheaper, faster, and crazier. As long as he doesn’t go full-Torres on anyone, we should be good with NHL-calibre players who agitate.

    This team is really starting to take shape. Two defensemen and nightly bribes to the officials to call a fair game away from the playoffs.

    2017 is going to be a hell of a year.

  87. pocession charge says:

    CrazyCoach: You would think that a pro scouting department would have seen that when they evaluated him last season

    You are assuming that they scouted him in Bridgeport last season, but most of the verbal at the time of the trade involved junior scouting reports. Indeed, Bob Green admitted that he did not watch Reinhart play In the AHL last season. That is a classic Oilers move.

  88. VanIsleOil says:

    Reinhart should never have been drafted near that high. That’s not his doing,that was Garth Snow back when he was a dummy. (he has since become rather adept at his job – shrewdly acquiring Boychuk and Leddy for peanuts and fleecing Chia with an over payment for Reinhart) The Reinhart deal smelled of old management still having influence. Hope those days are behind us, oh that’s right, they’re still here…

    I think Reinhart will end up our #4 or #5 dman next year. Big hulking dmen typically take longer to mature,so here’s hoping Reinhart becomes a solid dman for us in the future. Maybe some of the old mans genes will start to kick in a little more for Griffin.

  89. Caramel Obvious says:

    Pouzar,

    Do you understand how inference and analogy work? It doesn’t appear to be so.

  90. Nate780 says:

    Pouzar,

    So does Klefbom, both right in front of our faces. It quite clearly is a real occurrence, and if we can easily identify 2 players currently on our roster, i’m sure it would not be hard to identify quite a few over the last little while.

  91. pocession charge says:

    hunter1909:
    Re The Journal’s decline: Ominous to see the print trade go under. It’s like witnessing the end of free speech.

    Free speech remains alive and well on the internet, but the editing of the online news is a joke. I’ve seen better writing and fact checking on high school essays.

  92. OF17 says:

    LT, I don’t think it’s exactly correct to say that the Oilers have lacked balance on defense since 2006. The 08/09 Oilers had Souray, Visnovsky, 45-point Tom Gilbert, 39-point Denis Grebeshkov, Steve Staios, Ladi Smid, and Jason Strudwick. That’s a pretty deep and balanced group.

  93. pocession charge says:

    VanIsleOil:

    I think Reinhart will end up our #4 or #5 dman next year. Big hulking dmen typically take longer to mature,so here’s hoping Reinhart becomes a solid dman for us in the future. Maybe some of the old mans genes will start to kick in a little more for Griffin.

    He would have to pass all of Klefbom, Sekera, Davidson, Nurse, and Fayne to land in the top 5. And that is not considering the improvement that will (hopefully) come to the right side defence. Reinhart likely slots in as the 7th defenceman for next season.

  94. Pouzar says:

    Caramel Obvious:
    Pouzar,

    Do you understand how inference and analogy work?It doesn’t appear to be so.

    I understand how absolutes work and you’ve been dealing in those all day.

  95. LadiesloveSmid says:

    not like Nurse has been incredible (or any good, really) in the NHL. I’d swap him and GR for a dozen games, also swap Brossoit and Nilsson for a dozen games.

  96. OilClog says:

    i bet if the goaler would of stayed in the net, allowing Yakupov to track Boyle down… Or pressure him..

    He coulda made the save..

    It’s Boyle.

    So how can any player be blamed when a goaler decides… Hey, fuck this net!

  97. CrazyCoach says:

    pocession charge: You are assuming that they scouted him in Bridgeport last season, but most of the verbal at the time of the trade involved junior scouting reports. Indeed, Bob Green admitted that he did not watch Reinhart play In the AHL last season. That is a classic Oilers move.

    Wow, that is wacked. I know he played in their backyard for junior, but to not invest a dime in scouting potential players or even trading for players you have no recent info on, well that’s just crazy.

    Even crazier than my moniker.

  98. pocession charge says:

    Nate780:
    Lowetide,

    and he was, and could have easily pushed Boyle to the boards and out of any kind of scoring chance, had Nilsson stayed in his net.

    Nilsson was 90% at fault. Yakupov was 10% at fault. Listening to Drew Remenda last night was an assault on my auditory senses. He made zero mention of Nilsson’s fuck up but went straight into a tirade about Yakupov’s backcheck — as if Yakupov should have known his goalie would make a late, poor decision while he was at the redline. The other Remenda thing that bugged me was the goal where Brad Hunt blew a tire. The defence were out of position because they reacted to Hunt’s fall. If Hunt was on his feet to take away the passing lane, everyone would have been in perfect position, but did he even make one mention of that? Nope.

  99. Receptor Antagonist says:

    I was livid on draft day when I found out they Reinhart was the return for those picks. I subsequently talked myself away from the edge trying to convince myself that this would turn the dial forward, faster.

    I’m becoming livid again.

    Fuck this team…why can’t we have a management team that makes CONSISTENT sound decisions?

    I’m certain his isn’t fully s Chia move, more likely Nicholson influencing it heavily, but that doesn’t make it any better.

  100. Lois Lowe says:

    VanIsleOil:
    Reinhart should never have been drafted near that high. That’s not his doing,that was Garth Snow back when he was a dummy. (he has since become rather adept at his job – shrewdly acquiring Boychuk and Leddy for peanuts and fleecing Chia with an over payment for Reinhart).

    Wait a sec, so Snow was a dummy in 2012 for drafting Reinhart too high and then magically became adept since then? The very same scouting staff that thought Reinhart was a top five pick, in 2012, is now laudable because they took Barzal at 16OV in 2015?

    Where was the Eureka moment?

  101. hunter1909 says:

    pocession charge: Nilsson was 90% at fault.Yakupov was 10% at fault.Listening to Drew Remenda last night was an assault on my auditory senses.He made zero mention of Nilsson’s fuck up but went straight into a tirade about Yakupov’s backcheck — as if Yakupov should have known his goalie would make a late, poor decision while he was at the redline.The other Remenda thing that bugged me was the goal where Brad Hunt blew a tire.The defence were out of position because they reacted to Hunt’s fall.If Hunt was on his feet to take away the passing lane, everyone would have been in perfect position, but did he even make one mention of that?Nope.

    In other words:

    You expect a colour commentator for a live NHL broadcast to be able to provide flawless commentary?

  102. pocession charge says:

    hunter1909: In other words:

    You expect a colour commentator for a live NHL broadcast to be able to provide flawless commentary?

    That is the conclusion that you drew from my comment? What are you, an online news editor?

  103. CrazyCoach says:

    I missed the winning goal last night due to bath and bedtime duties.

    Finally saw it this morning.

    I know everyone is coming down hard on Nilsson and Yak, but another way to look at it, is that Boyle made a great play. He hustled and took advantage of a team that maybe was at shifts end? I know the tendency of teams on the PP is to be a little lax when it comes to getting back to your own zone, because more often than not, teams clear the puck and then change, as well as the PP thinking they have a man advantage. It happens from time to time and yes, there is no excuse for it, but it happens a lot.

  104. OF17 says:

    Also, Crazy Coach, that was a really great read. Thank you for that. I hope more are to come.

  105. bendelson says:

    hunter1909,

    Stop being difficult Hunter.

    I suspect you are fully aware Remenda has a really bad habit of adding a particular shade of colour to the broadcast that overtly supports his somewhat tired and predictable narrative.

    Or maybe it’s just me?

  106. Water Fire says:

    Reinhart is good at what defensemen are supposed to do. I’d rather see him on the ice than Gryba or Schultz.

    He is in the AHL because of many reasons, the hockey reason being he isn’t aggressive enough. Many, many people seem to miss this point with a lot of players. Every team looks for it in their players.

    Because he is not going to score a lot (but has a shot and can do exactly what Davidson does) they will insist he use his size to punish players every game. Basically every player has to be a threat to the opponent in some way – either through offense or physicality.

    It’s the same issue they have with Lander. He plays a good game but you can’t just skate around being in the right place. Either score or get after them.

    I think Reinhart will be in the team next year, even as the 7th. And it may take a few years to see his best. Remember only really elite D have it going on at 22. Doesn’t mean he isn’t a very important piece – a big mobile smart CHEAP player.

    Nurse will always have some chaos, we should get used to it. He is an athletic player first, an impact game changer, where as Reinhart is a cerebral player. Both types are needed.

  107. Pouzar says:

    bendelson:
    hunter1909,

    Stop being difficult Hunter.

    I suspect you are fully aware Remenda has a really bad habit of adding a particular shade of colour to the broadcast that overtly supports his somewhat tired and predictable narrative.

    Or maybe it’s just me?

    Gimme Louie any day of the week.

  108. bendelson says:

    Pouzar: Gimme Louie any day of the week.

    Agreed, Jaroslav.

  109. VanIsleOil says:

    Lois Lowe,

    Perhaps Snow and his staff have become better at their jobs with more experience and have learned from mistakes.(that does happen) Garth did very well on the deal with Chia.Maybe he has learned and become a better GM in the last 3 years. it’s magic.

  110. CrazyCoach says:

    OF17: Also, Crazy Coach, that was a really great read. Thank you for that. I hope more are to come.

    Long as the Oilers keep drafting WHL kids, I should be able to write more.

    I am the young Skywalker to Bruce’s Obi-Wan Kenobi.

  111. RexLibris says:

    hunter1909:
    Re The Journal’s decline: Ominous to see the print trade go under. It’s like witnessing the end of free speech.

    While I do lament the loss of the Edmonton Journal as a local paper, that was done a few months ago when the Post moved to cut back a lot of the local content.

    And it should be noted that with a few notable (and noteworthy) exceptions, the print media hasn’t been a good faith champion of free speech for a very long time, indeed one could argue it has never entirely been so.

    Beginning with wealthy patrons and extending today to our corporate media organizations, much of print media, realistically all news media, is designed with a particular perspective in mind which can easily be blurred into a bias before eventually slipping into no longer being informative but rather prescriptive.

    If Postmedia went under tomorrow I would be sincerely sorry for all those journalists who lost their jobs, but would not shed a tear for the corporation itself as it has done less to improve the news media landscape in this country than to argue vociferously from a very particular partisan perspective at the expense of its own reputation and end-product.

    Online forums such as this one offer a greater degree of freedom of speech, albeit within an agreed-upon framework of behaviour, than the print media has for nearly all of its lifetime.

  112. Revolved says:

    godot10: Reinhart will never look like Darnell Nurse.If Zehr is criticizing Reinhart because he doesn’t look like Darnell Nurse in the AHL, IMHO, he is an idiot.

    Reinhart pretty much is the anti-Nurse.Nurse is supposed to be dynamic when he is playing well,Reinhart is supposed to be “invisible” when he is playing well.

    Nurse is supposed to be Larry Robinson.Reinhart is supposed to be a big physical Hjalmarsson.

    This! I have not watched as much Condors as Zerr, but Grif will never ‘dominate’ in the same way as Nurse because he will never try to beat an opposing defender wide to drive the net. This is why his offensive ceiling is not as high, and why he doesn’t appear a complete D prospect.

    However, he is also much less likely than Nurse to go chasing that same defender out by his own blue line when ín the defensive zone. This just makes him seem lazy!

    In my viewings of Grif, I think his main issue is that he is a Little slow to react, but that he does the right thing with the puck and wins his battles.

    Grif has amongst the lowest HDSCA/60 on the Oilers, and this is his asset. He will take time to find the confidence to advance the puck consistently.

    Grif has been playing with Oesterle, which is an adventure to say the least. The only minus he got last game came because he was a split second too late to cover on Oesterle’s side. Perhaps he is being groomed to cover for Schultz?

    Given how things are going for Nurse, I would actually really like to see him and Grif switch spots for a while.

  113. OF17 says:

    Lois Lowe: Wait a sec, so Snow was a dummy in 2012 for drafting Reinhart too high and then magically became adept since then? The very same scouting staff that thought Reinhart was a top five pick, in 2012, is now laudable because they took Barzal at 16OV in 2015?

    Where was the Eureka moment?

    I think it came with the Vanek deal. Snow knew that he couldn’t mess around. He had no 1st rounder in 2015 to fall back on, and he was as good as gone if he couldn’t make anything happen. Sure enough, he smartens up, adds two top-9 forwards, two top-4 D, and a starting goalie for mostly cap space, and away she went.

    I think if MacT felt that kind of pressure, he might’ve developed in a similar line. Not saying he should’ve dealt any 1sts, but I doubt he felt much if any job uncertainty up until the axe fell. Comfort seeps in, and you’re more likely to gamble on things like Nuge-Arcobello-Draisaitl-Lander-Acton as your C depth. Garth had that “Shit, if it isn’t now, it’s never” moment, and he never looked back.

    Of course, this is just reading tea leaves.

    Pouzar: Gimme Louie any day of the week.

    Agreed. I miss Louie. Not only is he better than Remenda, but Quinn was better with Louie than he is now. You could tell that he and Louie had a lot of chemistry, and that made the broadcasts more enjoyable.

  114. Revolved says:

    Given how things are going with Nurse, I would actually really like him to switch spots with Grif for a while.

  115. russ99 says:

    When the forwards start picking up their assignments on rotation, I’ll start piling on Schultz as the sole cause for all the team’s ills.

    BTW: he got his stick in on Callahan. which is what you teach defensemen to do.

    As for Reinhart, I’d feel a lot better about the risk we’re taking on him by giving up all those assets – if this wasn’t a typical old boy management move, with Bob Green thinking he’s outsmarted everyone by seeing a player in him nobody else sees, and no doubt MacT and Howson selling new guy Chiarelli on it with their “scouting”.

  116. OF17 says:

    Revolved:
    Given how things are going with Nurse, I would actually really like him to switch spots with Grif for a while.

    I’d rather keep Griff down myself. Let him establish a rhythm, work on his game, build his confidence back up. One of the benefits of the Detroit system is that they don’t jerk players around. Now that Reinhart’s settled, the real learning will begin, and pulling him from that would be a mistake.

    I agree that Nurse would probably benefit from some AHL time, but who do you replace him with? Hunt, Nikitin? I guess Nikitin might make sense. Then Klefbom comes back, and you run Klefbom-Davidson, Sekera-Fayne, Nikitin-Schultz?

  117. Lois Lowe says:

    VanIsleOil,

    My narrative involves aliens, “Steve Smith”, and time travel. It’s got about as much fact as your narrative does.

    In 2008, the Islanders selected the following players in the entry draft: Josh Bailey, Jared Spurgeon, Travis Hamonic, Matt Martin. All of who have had legit NHL careers.

    In 2009: John Tavares, Calvin de Haan, Anders Nilsson, Casey Czikas, Anders Lee.

    In 2010: Nno Neiderreiter, Brock Nelson.

    In 2011: Ryan Strome.

    In 2012: Griffin Reinhart.

    So Garth Snow became a much better GM but has consistently found fewer valuable players in the draft? This doesn’t look good for Reinhart but it also doesn’t look great for Barzal.

  118. B S says:

    hunter1909:
    Hunter1909 Official Oilers 2016 Death March Leaderboard for 20.1.16
    Oilers headed for a 73 point season;

    The player listed predicted a 73 point finish:

    BS

    Only because my pessimism (realism, given historical precedence?) predicted the McDavid Injury. Oh, well, the optimist in me wants to believe that the Oil will clear that value with a couple winning streaks after the allstar break.

  119. Revolved says:

    OF17,

    I could definitely go with that. Nikitin has Beautiful HDSC/60 results this year, despite the piles crapped on him

    Mostly, Nurse needs to work those offensive instincts out against lesser opponents.

  120. HeavySig says:

    I will just leave this Kassian highlight here… https://gfycat.com/MealyCloseAmericanalligator

    *better quality: http://gfycat.com/HorribleFlatAmethystsunbird

    Did you know there is a Reddit stub for Kassian gifs?

  121. Caramel Obvious says:

    Bohologo,

    Reinhart baseline comparison: AHL player in draft +3,

    2011 Draft

    Adam Larsson: firmly established NHL player draft +3 but played significant NHL games since draft +1
    Doug Hamilton: NHL player draft +2
    Jonas Brodin: NHL player draft +2
    Duncan Siemens: AHL player
    Ryan Murphy: still bouncing back and forth between AHL and NHL
    Jamie Oleksiak: bouncing back and forth
    Nathan Beaulieu: NHL player, sort of, in draft +3
    Oscar Klefbom: NHL player draft +3
    Connor Murphy: NHL player draft +2
    Joe Morrow: NHL player, sort of, draft +3
    Stuart Percy: AHL player

    There is a clear trend. The guys who are going to make it (Brodin, Klefbom, Murphy, Hamilton) are all clearly established by draft +3.

    The rest are only playing in the NHL because it is bait cutting time. Maybe one or two of them will, eventually, make it. But they all won’t, and those that will aren’t very likely to be in the class of the above group.

    Nobody is trading a first round pick for Nathan Beaulieu or Ryan Murphy, and those guys at least have serious upside.

    Reinhart has time, but not a lot.

  122. Primetime says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Agree with this 100%. While perhaps based on a kernel of truth, most of Spector’s statement is his own opinion on how things may have gone down.

    Based on the fact that Johansen was the one being shopped, not Seth Jones, as Poile said he finally gave in when he knew Columbus would not budge off Jones being the key….being a competent and diligent manager, isn’t it more likely that Poile called to check availability of RNH and say Duchene before pulling the trigger? Just to know his options before committing?

    Then Spec: ” Hey Chia, the fans want to know, did you ever talk to Poile about Jones too? Since they obviously wanted a young centre was RNH in the conversation?”

    Chia: “yes”

    Spector then “assumes” that offer came from Oil and Poile “chose” Johansen…just as likely that the other 2 (RNH/Duchene) not actually available for that return.

  123. sliderule says:

    I have never heard of this Zerr fellow.

    What are his qualifications to evaluate hockey players

    Are they any higher than most who post here.

  124. LadiesloveSmid says:

    HeavySig:
    I will just leave this Kassian highlight here… https://gfycat.com/MealyCloseAmericanalligator

    *better quality: http://gfycat.com/HorribleFlatAmethystsunbird

    Did you know there is a Reddit stub for Kassian gifs?

    can anyone make out what he’s saying?

    “you’re fucking dead” “you fucking suck, dick”

  125. digger50 says:

    Pouzar:
    hmmmm…

    http://www.tsn.ca/burke-on-a-mission-to-increase-size-of-nhl-ice-surfaces-1.425938

    Loved this. When listening to this initiative to increase scoring in the NHL I have been wondered why not go to Olympic size ice surface? People love 3 on 3 hockey and goals were being scored rapidly. This simple created more room to display skill, puck possession, etc… and resulted in more goals. Players are not getting any smaller. Seems logical to me.

    Too obvious and I’m sure it has been discussed at length. Owners don’t want to lose seats, retrofit ice… I get it, but the return on excitement may well be worth it. Graduating players through minor hockey to bigger ice may also be a nice transition. This to me may be the number one way to improve todays game. Thoughts?

  126. Woodguy says:

    Little Poteet:
    Woodguy,

    I found it funny that “china’s connections are all out east”

    Not embarrassing, just a funny internet moment

    Missed that fixed now.

    Thanks

  127. ashley says:

    …seemed to be unaware of his role on the winning goal. I really like Nail, but he needs to make that play if he wants to make a difference. Seriously. He should have been back on the play, to the point where the goalie would not lose control of his senses.

    With due respect, this is wildly unfair. It’s been 6 months of “Where does Yakupov fit on this team (preseason)”, “Yakupov would be the man to trade”, “Hit the net”, and “Yakupov is responsible for a bad goalie gamble”. These are not things you usually say about players on this team. Except Yakupov (and Smid).

    Would you have written this about Taylor Hall in the exact same circumstance? Or would Nillson/Schultz get some of the blame.

    LT, you are the finest blogger on the Al Gore, but how can you be so patiently fair to the many players who have worn the Oil drop over the last decade and drop kick Yak for something that had very little to do with him? It doesn’t add up.

  128. AsiaOil says:

    LT said…..”Pouliot—Eberle were part of a line with Hendricks that couldn’t get much going”

    Well that is a bit of an understatement. Eberle was -19 ES Corsi! That’s some performance for the $6 million man and his $4 million buddy.

    Who is Scott Zerr and why should anyone give a damn about what he says. I’ve watched a few Condor games as well and GR is doing exactly what he’s supposed to do. After a few rough games back from injury he’s playing just fine on the top pair. Does Mr Zerr give any evidence for his position. Answer = no.

    Honestly LT – this was one of your weaker posts – full on cover for a pathetic evening by Eberle and Pou and a drive by on GR. Come on LT – you can do better than this.

  129. VanIsleOil says:

    Lois Lowe,

    VanIsleOil,

    “My narrative involves aliens, “Steve Smith”, and time travel. It’s got about as much fact as your narrative does.”

    Lois,thanks for your warm welcome to the blog.Sorry,didn’t get the memo that opinions aren’t allowed in here without absolute verification from facts and statistics. I’m a new member here and will make sure my next post will have a plethora of facts which hopefully meets your approval.

  130. PDL says:

    Re: Reinhart, I got blackout drunk during the draft after hearing what we gave up to get him and now I’m just hoping he turns out to a useful defenceman anywhere on our NHL depth chart.

    Having said that, maybe he doesn’t seem very good in the AHL right now because he’s just focused on the things he was specifically told to work on. With Draisatl and Slephyshev, we know they were probably told to work on playing without the puck and that probably affected how many points they put up. Anyway, just spitballing.

  131. Lowetide says:

    ashley:
    …seemed to be unaware of his role on the winning goal. I really like Nail, but he needs to make that play if he wants to make a difference. Seriously. He should have been back on the play, to the point where the goalie would not lose control of his senses.

    With due respect, this is wildly unfair.It’s been 6 months of “Where does Yakupov fit on this team (preseason)”, “Yakupov would be the man to trade”, “Hit the net”, and “Yakupov is responsible for a bad goalie gamble”.These are not things you usually say about players on this team.Except Yakupov (and Smid).

    Would you have written this about Taylor Hall in the exact same circumstance?Or would Nillson/Schultz get some of the blame.

    LT, you are the finest blogger on the Al Gore, buthow can you be so patiently fair to the many players who have worn the Oil drop over the last decade and drop kick Yak for something that had very little to do with him?It doesn’t add up.

    Meh. I was wildly critical of Laddy early, when he should have been in the minors. I liked him fine once he settled in and (injuries aside) he was a good Oiler imo. Nail is a favorite of mine, but when he is part of a poor play (and that is what I said, he was responsible along with others) then I write it. Nothing has changed, beyond a strong defense of Nail in this case (which I am pleased by, he is a guy I cheer for, too).

  132. Lowetide says:

    AsiaOil:

    . Come on LT– you can do better than this.

    I have approached every post ever written, with the same zeal. That has never changed. When it does, this blog will go dark.

  133. Gerta Rauss says:

    What are the eligibility requirements for Nurse and the AHL playoffs..?

    The league removed the clear day roster after the last CBA..yes..?…so it’s just a question of having him on the AHL roster prior to the trade deadline..?

    I think the best thing for Nurse and Reinhart this spring is a long run in the AHL playoffs

  134. sliderule says:

    I answered my own question by googling Zerr and see he was a Sun sports reporter for a few years.

    He must have been quite junior as I don’t remember seeing his name and I subscribe.

    No matter I would prefer to see a report on Griff giving a breakdown of time on ice.

    His boxes are not great but I think he is viewed as a shutdown option to pair with an offensive type.

  135. AsiaOil says:

    I’ll also agree with Ashley and G Money on Yak. Watch the play in slo-mo. It’s a simple save if Nilsson stays in his net. Yak misjudges and initially assumes the puck goes deep – then reacts late when he sees it’s not going as far as first though. He gets on his horse and is almost even with Boyle by the time the TBL player get the puck at the right face-off circle. If Boyle shoots from there it’s a peewee save. If Boyle tries to cut the net for a better shot then Yak easily cuts him off well before he gets there and it’s a bad angle shot to boot.

    That goal is totally owned by Nilsson as you do not go chasing the puck unless you are absolutely sure you get there first – especially with a guy coming back who can challenge the shooter if he tries to get closer.

  136. AsiaOil says:

    Zeal is always good and you run the best Oiler blog by a mile – but you’re letting your biases (which we all possess) get the better of you today…..

    Lowetide: I have approached every post ever written, with the same zeal. That has never changed. When it does, this blog will go dark.

  137. Lowetide says:

    AsiaOil:
    I’ll also agree with Ashley and G Money on Yak. Watch the play in slo-mo. It’s a simple save if Nilsson stays in his net. Yak misjudges and initially assumes the puck goes deep – then reacts late when he sees it not going as far as first though. He gets on his horse and is almost even with Boyle by the time the TBL player get the puck at the right face-off circle. If Boyle shoots from there it’s a peewee save. If Boyle tries to cut the net for a better shot then Yak easily cuts him off well before he gets there and it’s a bad angle shot to boot.

    That goal is totally owned by Nilsson as you do not go chasing the puck unless you are absolutely sure you get there first – especially with a guy coming back who can challenge the shooter if he tries to get closer.

    Nah. Play doesn’t happen if Yakupov is responsible. He would have beaten Boyle to the puck easily, and even if he hadn’t, the goalie would have been able to stay in his net. Ghastly play by the goalie on a night he was poor, but there is blame for Nail and I called it. I see no need to retract the statement.

  138. Lowetide says:

    AsiaOil:
    Zeal is always good and you run the best Oiler blog by a mile – but you’re letting your biases (which we all possess) get the better of you today…..

    Nah. Yak takes blame on that goal. He just does.

  139. Pouzar says:

    Lowetide: Nah. Yak takes blame on that goal. He just does.

    I’m with you.

    But goddamn what was Schultz doin standing at the blue line watching JT Brown?

  140. Lowetide says:

    Pouzar: I’m with you.

    But goddamn what was Schultz doin standing at the blue line watching JT?

    Oh yeah, I am not saying Yakupov is the stone alone, not at all. My point originally was in regard to people shitting on the goalie, who had a poor night and just added to it. But Schultz was slow to react, Yak doesn’t react immediately (and as was mentioned above and I did not say) he was also probably slower than normal because of the injury early in the game.

  141. stephen sheps says:

    Lowetide: Nah. Yak takes (some of the) blame on that goal. He just does.

    FIFY

    🙂

    edit: yeah, as was said earlier, including by me, the injury probably had a lot to do with Yak floating on the play. Between Coburn and that kick to the leg from Montoya, Nail’s had a rough couple of days. Can’t say I blame him for being a bit tentative and a lot slower than usual. I think shitting on Nilsson is fair too – Goalie walkabouts are rarely a good idea.

  142. AsiaOil says:

    Care to refute what I said above? If Boyle shoots from the right face-off dot it’s a peewee save. If Boyle tries to cut the net for a better shot then Yak easily cuts him off well before he gets there, plus it’s a poor angle shot.

    This is totally on the goalie. You do not leave the crease and try play the puck unless you are sure you get there first. He didn’t and turned nothing into something. Here is the Fox Sport take on it from the video I’ve been watching:

    “Edmonton goalie Anders Nilsson decided to play a clearing pass sent down from the other end of the ice and turned what should have been a line change into a game-winning gift for the Tampa Bay Lightning.”

    Bang ….On

    Lowetide: Nah. Yak takes blame on that goal. He just does.

  143. Pouzar says:

    Lowetide: Oh yeah, I am not saying Yakupov is the stone alone, not at all. My point originally was in regard to people shitting on the goalie, who had a poor night and just added to it. But Schultz was slow to react, Yak doesn’t react immediately (and as was mentioned above and I did not say) he was also probably slower than normal because of the injury early in the game.

    It’s comical. I watched that highlight a dozen times pausing it every half second. It’s amazing how long Schultz stands at the blue line starring at Brown after he gains possession. Talk about puck watching my lord.

  144. Lowetide says:

    AsiaOil:
    Care to refute what I said above?If Boyle shoots from the right face-off dot it’s a peewee save. If Boyle tries to cut the net for a better shot then Yak easily cuts him off well before he gets there, plus it’s a poor angle shot.

    This is totally on the goalie. You do not leave the crease and try play the puck unless you are sure you get there first. He didn’t and turned nothing into something. Here is the Fox Sport take on it from the video I’ve been watching:

    “Edmonton goalie Anders Nilsson decided to play a clearing pass sent down from the other end of the ice and turned what should have been a line change into a game-winning gift for the Tampa Bay Lightning.”

    Bang ….On

    The goalie doesn’t leave the net if Yakupov (and it is his man, I can’t help that, this is the play) reacts to it. Question: Am I the only man on the internet saying this? I honestly haven’t looked. Has anyone else (aside from me) talked about Yak’s slow reaction and not beating his mark to the puck?

    If I am, I will retract. But if I go hunting for confirmation and confirm, they you all owe me an ‘I am sorry.’

    Fair?

  145. admiralmark says:

    Bohologo: That’s another way to look at it, and not an unreasonable conclusion. So, could we give the kid another half season or so? Maybe see how he looks through the next training camp and into the pre-season? We will know more then than we know now, I submit.

    Your submission is very valid. I think what we are seeing here is a fanbase that has watched nepotistic behavior and decision making that particularly in regards to the Dmen has been shall we say less then exemplary? The Oil King, Bob Green, MacT, Howson, Lowe connection all had something to do with Reinhart being an Oiler. How much did they sway Chiarelli? Anyones guess. But the reason for concern lies in the involvement of a group that operates in an all too often and failing nepotistic fashion.

    I’ll give Reinhart till next season to develop into a top 4 role. Hell ill give him 2 years. But if the decision was made knowing he would take possibly 2-3 more years to develop? Then this was a very poor decision. As the ONLY redeeming reasoning for this move was he could provide more immediate help. I only hope that IF he does become a bust. That Chiarelli/Nicholson have the balls to remove MacT/Howson from the equation. As it stands Bob Green was just another nepotistic decison i’m all too familiar with. Hopefully he’s the one that actually pans out?

  146. stush18 says:

    digger50,

    Increased ice surface doesn’t lead to more scoring. Teams will still collapse to the front of the net.

    I think it will eliminate bad and dangerous hits, and we will see a better display of talent as far as passing the puck.

    I’m all for it, but like you say, teams don’t want to lose one row of seating.

  147. stevezie says:

    Caramel Obvious: Nobody is trading a first round pick for Nathan Beaulieu or Ryan Murphy

    ‘Zactly.

    I’m not saying Reinhart is doomed to a career in the minors. I can’t even say he’ll never be good.

    But I can say we overpaid, by a lot.

    The idea, “let’s trade draftpics for someone further developed” was a good one. Reinhart was not worth what we paid. Cogliano was a former 1st and an established NHLer and he fetched a second. Nino Niederreiter was a top five pick with 55 disappointing NHL games and he got Clutterbuck and a 3rd.

    I’m not calling for a firing but this deal looks objectively bad.

  148. stephen sheps says:

    Pouzar: It’s comical. I watched that highlight a dozen times pausing it every half second. It’s amazing how long Schultz stands at the blue line starring at Brown after he gains possession. Talk about puck watching my lord.

    Jultz is gonna Jultz, unfortunately…

    In other, non-hockey related news I wanted to share briefly another of my tales of life in the south:

    I am happy to report that I did not have to go into work today as the university decided that due to the threat of inclement weather, today would be a snow day. I understand that in Tennessee they lack the infrastructure to ensure safe roadways in the event of snowfall or freezing rain, but instead of waiting to see what happened, they cancelled classes and closed the university last night around 8PM due to what they’re calling a winter weather alert and extreme cold.

    Temperature: -1c (yes… they find that cold here!)

    Expected snowfall: 5cm
    Expected freezing rain: 2-4mm

    Actual snowfall: 0
    Actual freezing rain: trace

    For the most part I hate my current position and, other than being paid in USD, I would give just about anything to come back to Canada, in an academic capacity or otherwise, (and am definitely trying to find my way home) but on ‘snow days’ like this, the south is pretty sweet.

  149. Lowetide says:

    Stephen Sheps: You would have to hand in your Canadian card if you DIDN’T take advantage of those circumstances!

  150. RexLibris says:

    CrazyCoach,

    Nice work on the Bear article, CC.

    A good report and thorough.

    Vishnovsky is heavy praise and Bear would be one hell of a draft steal if he could get to within 80% of that player’s impact.

    Well done.

  151. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Pouzar: In his first 5 post draft years Niklas Kronwall played 20 gms of NHL hockey.

    Is this the norm or the exception??

  152. stephen sheps says:

    Lowetide,

    why do you think I’ve even been able to post more than once today? normally I teach 3 classes on Wednesdays and hold office hours for 2 classes. Instead I’m giving life to the blogger in the basement stereotype today and it’s glorious. It’s like having a second Sunday in the middle of the week!

  153. OilClog says:

    Lowetide: The goalie doesn’t leave the net if Yakupov (and it is his man, I can’t help that, this is the play) reacts to it. Question: Am I the only man on the internet saying this? I honestly haven’t looked. Has anyone else (aside from me) talked about Yak’s slow reaction and not beating his mark to the puck?

    If I am, I will retract. But if I go hunting for confirmation and confirm, they you all owe me an ‘I am sorry.’

    Fair?

    No, there’s a high chance someone else out there is pinning the forward playing defence, hustling his ass back twice as fast as the other defender, then trying to play goal, while said goaler is flopping around out at the dot.

    Because the sniper Dan Boyle was coming down the wing.

    Simple play, stay in your net, if you get scored on, kudos to you Mr.Boyle.

    Yak would of beat him to the net, 99/100 Boyle doesn’t score if the goaler just goalers.

  154. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: The goalie doesn’t leave the net if Yakupov (and it is his man, I can’t help that, this is the play) reacts to it. Question: Am I the only man on the internet saying this? I honestly haven’t looked. Has anyone else (aside from me) talked about Yak’s slow reaction and not beating his mark to the puck?

    If I am, I will retract. But if I go hunting for confirmation and confirm, they you all owe me an ‘I am sorry.’

    Fair?

    Above you mentioned that Yakupov was responsible to get back quickly on the play to cover his man. (I’m paraphrasing here, so correct me if I’m putting words in your mouth)

    Could it be he was unable to make up the distance if his ankle and/or knee was still iffy from the earlier injury?

    It might have been his man, but if he was playing through an injury he may have been unable to get there in time, in which case, in my opinion, debating the entire play seems moot because there is enough blame to just say “we screwed up, let’s not do it again”.

  155. AsiaOil says:

    Rule #1 – the goalie does not leave the crease and wander around the defensive zone unless he is sure that he can gain clear possession and either kill the play or make a simple pass. You are dead meat trying to check a skater outside the crease who has possession of the puck. Rule #1

    What happens if Nillson stays in net? This was not a clear breakaway from center ice. Boyle had to go all the way to the right face-off dot to retrieve the puck – then he would have had to change direction and cut hard to the net to get any type of decent shot. Yak would have cut him off easily – or if Boyle shot before being cut off – it’s an easy save.

    Sure Yak misjudged how fast the puck was sent down ice – he’s not blameless – but that’s not unexpected for a forward playing defense. What is unexpected and unacceptable is for the goalie get stupid and start chasing skaters around the defensive zone trying to play a loose puck. Nillsson turned an easy save into a goal – and even if Boyle managed to cut to the net unimpeded – Nillson would have had a much better chance at the save then flailing around in the face-off circle like a beached whale.

    99% fault is the goalie. He broke Rule #1

    Lowetide: The goalie doesn’t leave the net if Yakupov (and it is his man, I can’t help that, this is the play) reacts to it. Question: Am I the only man on the internet saying this? I honestly haven’t looked. Has anyone else (aside from me) talked about Yak’s slow reaction and not beating his mark to the puck?

    If I am, I will retract. But if I go hunting for confirmation and confirm, they you all owe me an ‘I am sorry.’

    Fair?

  156. striker says:

    RexLibris: While I do lament the loss of the Edmonton Journal as a local paper, that was done a few months ago when the Post moved to cut back a lot of the local content.
    And it should be noted that with a few notable (and noteworthy) exceptions, the print media hasn’t been a good faith champion of free speech for a very long time, indeed one could argue it has never entirely been so.
    Beginning with wealthy patrons and extending today to our corporate media organizations, much of print media, realistically all news media, is designed with a particular perspective in mind which can easily be blurred into a bias before eventually slipping into no longer being informative but rather prescriptive.
    If Postmedia went under tomorrow I would be sincerely sorry for all those journalists who lost their jobs, but would not shed a tear for the corporation itself as it has done less to improve the news media landscape in this country than to argue vociferously from a very particular partisan perspective at the expense of its own reputation and end-product.
    Online forums such as this one offer a greater degree of freedom of speech, albeit within an agreed-upon framework of behaviour, than the print media has for nearly all of its lifetime.

    This about sums up my feelings on the decline of the print media in general and the Journal in particular. Well said Rex.

  157. Lowetide says:

    AsiaOil:
    Rule #1 – the goalie does not leave the crease and wander around the defensive zone unless he is sure that he can gain clear possession and either kill the play or make a simple pass. You are dead meat trying to check a skater outside the crease who has possession of the puck. Rule #1

    What happens if Nillson stays in net? This was not a clear breakaway from center ice. Boyle had to go all the way to the right face-off dot to retrieve the puck – then he would have had to change direction and cut hard to the net to get any type of decent shot. Yak would have cut him off easily – or if Boyle shot before being cut off – it’s an easy save.

    Sure Yak misjudged how fast the puck was sent down ice – he’s not blameless – but that’s not unexpected for a forward playing defense. What is unexpected and unacceptable is for the goalie get stupid and start chasing skaters around the defensive zone trying to play a loose puck. Nillsson turned an easy save into a goal – and even if Boyle managed to cut to the net unimpeded – Nillson would have had a much better chance at the save then flailing around in the face-off circle like a beached whale.

    99% fault is the goalie. He broke Rule #1

    Rule No. 1 doesn’t get broken if Nail gets the jump. I am not arguing the goalie making a poor play, never have. That isn’t my point. The point is that play could have had a far different ending, and it turned in the seconds after the shot did not go through.

  158. stevezie says:

    stephen sheps,

    Last weekend we got real snow in Glasgow for the first time all winter. Sunday I was coaching soccer and this one little kid…

    Anyway I pegged him in the head from thirty feet. Right in the head. If I experience a more satisfying moment before the calender changes, 2016 will be a mighty fine year.

    Right in his stupid head. I tried to warn him it wasn’t my first row-day-o, and I’m glad he didn’t listen.

    EDIT: Right in the head.

  159. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: Rule No. 1 doesn’t get broken if Nail gets the jump. I am not arguing the goalie making a poor play, never have. That isn’t my point. The point is that play could have had a far different ending, and it turned in the seconds after the shot did not go through.

    You hate Nail because he has the same number of letters in his name as Smid, right? (ignoring the obvious first-name, last-name detail because it interferes with my joke)

    😉

  160. stephen sheps says:

    stevezie,

    that’s fantastic! truly, truly fantastic

  161. hunter1909 says:

    Oilers Fan Yakupov Contest:

    Winner – Gets to punch Nail in the face

    2nd Place – Hits Yaks over the head with a stick

    3rd place – Gets to slag Yaks off, for being Russian. Also, allowed to critique everything Yaks does.

  162. Lowetide says:

    RexLibris: Above you mentioned that Yakupov was responsible to get back quickly on the play to cover his man. (I’m paraphrasing here, so correct me if I’m putting words in your mouth)

    Could it be he was unable to make up the distance if his ankle and/or knee was still iffy from the earlier injury?

    It might have been his man, but if he was playing through an injury he may have been unable to get there in time, in which case, in my opinion, debating the entire play seems moot because there is enough blame to just say “we screwed up, let’s not do it again”.

    For me he had the edge on Boyle and just didn’t react. I have watched this play several times and come to the same conclusion over and over—that he was slow to recognize the danger. If you look at the play, Boyle reads it well before Yak, who is closer to where the puck will end up at the beginning of the play.

    Again, can’t speak to injury, so am unable to address that area. The reaction by the player, imo, was the culprit.

  163. Rondo says:

    OT: Jakob Chychrun

    Someone asked Brock Otten of OHL prospects about Chychrun vs. Ekblad . Interesting response

    I think there a bunch of reasons for the lack of offensive explosion.

    1. Powerplay efficiency. In Ekblad’s breakout offensive season, he had Barrie’s powerplay operating at a pretty good level. In 2013/14 Ekblad actually finished 3rd in the OHL in powerplay goals (among all players, not just defenders). Sarnia’s powerplay is currently in the bottom third of the league and have had major consistency issues. Part of that is because Sarnia lacked high end offensive firepower (until recent trades). But the other part is that Chychrun isn’t yet as polished as a powerplay QB was. Ekblad had a rocket of a shot and generated a ton of scoring chances (and goals) from using it. He walked the line so effectively and demonstrated a ton of poise there. Utilizing his shot and finding shooting lanes from the point is an area Chychrun is still improving on.

    2. Sarnia’s offense hasn’t been terrific this year overall, at least until recently. That’s why they brought in the likes of Mistele, Konecny, Studnicka, etc.

    3. Chychrun, himself, hasn’t been nearly as aggressive in attempting to generating scoring chances as he was in his rookie year. In a lot of ways, he seems to be really focusing on improving his game defensively this year and it’s been at the expense of his offensive numbers. With his skating ability and improving offensive instincts, I still think there is a ton of potential there. In the second half, I think we’ll really see his offensive numbers explode (greater supporting cast, increased confidence, etc). The other night he had 8 shots on net and really seems to be gaining steam.

    Quite frankly, I don’t think he should be slipping. Is he a contender for first overall? Heck no. He’s not in the class of the big 3 (Matthews, Laine, Puujarvi). But, I still think he’s the best draft option from the OHL (over Tkachuk, Nylander, etc).

  164. Lowetide says:

    stephen sheps:
    Lowetide,

    why do you think I’ve even been able to post more than once today? normally I teach 3 classes on Wednesdays and hold office hours for 2 classes. Instead I’m giving life to the blogger in the basement stereotype today and it’s glorious. It’s like having a second Sunday in the middle of the week!

    Haha!! Well, enjoy! And I am glad you are spending time here.

  165. RexLibris says:

    stevezie:
    stephen sheps,

    Last weekend we got real snow in Glasgow for the first time all winter.Sunday I was coaching soccer and this one little kid…

    Anyway I pegged him in the head from thirty feet. Right in the head. If I experience a more satisfying moment before the calender changes, 2016 will be a mighty fine year.

    Right in the head. I tried to warn him it wasn’t my first row-day-o, and I’m glad he didn’t listen.

    If he’s from true blooded Glaswegian stock, a boot to the head isn’t likely to upset him terribly.

    Tough buggers, those.

    Spent some time in Glasgow and Paisley. Wow. It was cleaned up and relatively nice when I was there, but you could tell very quickly that they earned every bit of their reputation over the years.

    Most of the middle-aged men I saw were shaped like beer barrels stood up on short little stilts. Top heavy, chests that were probably 60 inches around, squat-legged, square-jawed and even when they were wearing office casual had the look that they could break your jaw without spilling a drop of their tea…or IronBru as the case may be.

    Good people, intimidating enemies.

  166. RexLibris says:

    hunter1909:
    Oilers Fan Yakupov Contest:

    Winner –Gets to punch Nail in the face

    2nd Place – Hits Yaks over the head with a stick

    3rd place – Gets to slag Yaks off, for being Russian. Also, allowed to critique everything Yaks does.

    Are MSM members eligible to win all three?

  167. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Jordan:
    @Lowetide

    Stop pumping Mattlock’s tires on your AM Radio Show damn it.

    Jim Rockford was a way better detective.Also, better hair.

    But please feel free to keep pumping Castle’s tires.

    Nathan Fillion is a wonderful actor, and a true Edmonton treasure.If you don’t know who he is, and live in Edmonton… please google him.And if Dusty is readying this, I suggest you google him at google.com.

    Re:Oilers.

    Lots of goats last night.Enjoyed watching the game, but it’s hard to enjoy the game as much when Talbot’s not in net.God, that man is like a warm blanket on a cold night for this team.

    There might be a little drop-off between having Klefbom in your lineup and having Hunt in your lineup.So, that may have contributed as well.

    I think it’s quite funny that the Oilers are working so hard to keep nurse and davidson off the powerplay.Either of them would be better options than Hunt or Schultz, and some nights than Sekera too.But I think it’s being done intentionally to keep their minutes down, and thereby keep next contracts down too.

    Davidson can shoot the puck.Only reason to not have him on a PP that’s not working and giving up shorties (has all this season) is for reasons not related to winning.

    The forwards were messy.With RNH out, that’s expected.So tempted to make a 3C joke, but, I can resist.Would have been nice to see this team with 1A 1B and 1C Centers… Guess we wait for next year.

    I’m really liking how our wingers are shaping up.With Kassian in there, I’m not even sure you need a Lucic-type player.Kassian’s cheaper, faster, and crazier.As long as he doesn’t go full-Torres on anyone, we should be good with NHL-calibre players who agitate.

    This team is really starting to take shape.Two defensemen and nightly bribes to the officials to call a fair game away from the playoffs.

    2017 is going to be a hell of a year.

    I will never forgive FOX for cancelling Firefly. A young Christina Hendricks, mmm

  168. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: For me he had the edge on Boyle and just didn’t react. I have watched this play several times and come to the same conclusion over and over—that he was slow to recognize the danger. If you look at the play, Boyle reads it well before Yak, who is closer to where the puck will end up at the beginning of the play.

    Again, can’t speak to injury, so am unable to address that area. The reaction by the player, imo, was the culprit.

    That’s all very fair, I only saw the play once (not willing to commit to the emotional damage of watching it again and again).

    But this takes us back to Yakupov not reading the play properly which is a flaw in his game I think we’ve identified previously. He looks like he is improving in this area, but at this stage of his career it is in the remedial stages rather than initial instruction.

    I remember years ago the Oilers were ahead by a goal with seconds to play (you know how this is going to end) and Stoll got the puck in his zone. He went to pass it to Gilbert but in his excitement went right past him and iced it.

    I can’t recall if the other team scored or not, but I remember thinking at the time “that’s alright, I doubt Stoll makes that mistake ever again”. To my recollection, as an Oiler and in his first few seasons with the Kings, he did not.

    That is what I hope happens with Yakupov in this scenario, and to some extent Nilsson.

  169. Nate780 says:

    AsiaOil,

    this, i played goalie my whole life, and i’m always first to defend the goalie. That was on the goalie

  170. Colieo87 says:

    Who wait wait one second who’s the girl on the picture lordy! ?

  171. AsiaOil says:

    So Yak has to make plays based on the assumption that his goalie is going to do stupid things and break rules you learn in peewee? Take a look at the 2nd half of this video which shows a behind the net view of the play…

    http://www.foxsports.com/nhl/story/edmonton-oilers-lose-goalie-anders-nilsson-way-out-of-net-brian-boyle-short-handed-goal-011916?cmpid=feed:-sports-MSNcom

    Nilsson misjudges the play way worse than Yak does. By the time he decides to leave the crease to play the puck – he’s dead in the water. What the fuck was he thinking? I originally thought he was trying to play the puck to one of our guys and catch Boyle deep – but he reacted way too late for that. There was no way he was getting to that puck first looking at it from behind the net. Just a horrible horrible play by Nilsson.

    Lowetide: Rule No. 1 doesn’t get broken if Nail gets the jump. I am not arguing the goalie making a poor play, never have. That isn’t my point. The point is that play could have had a far different ending, and it turned in the seconds after the shot did not go through.

    Lowetide: Rule No. 1 doesn’t get broken if Nail gets the jump. I am not arguing the goalie making a poor play, never have. That isn’t my point. The point is that play could have had a far different ending, and it turned in the seconds after the shot did not go through.

  172. Lowetide says:

    RexLibris: That’s all very fair, I only saw the play once (not willing to commit to the emotional damage of watching it again and again).

    But this takes us back to Yakupov not reading the play properly which is a flaw in his game I think we’ve identified previously. He looks like he is improving in this area, but at this stage of his career it is in the remedial stages rather than initial instruction.

    I remember years ago the Oilers were ahead by a goal with seconds to play (you know how this is going to end) and Stoll got the puck in his zone. He went to pass it to Gilbert but in his excitement went right past him and iced it.

    I can’t recall if the other team scored or not, but I remember thinking at the time “that’s alright, I doubt Stoll makes that mistake ever again”. To my recollection, as an Oiler and in his first few seasons with the Kings, he did not.

    That is what I hope happens with Yakupov in this scenario, and to some extent Nilsson.

    Yes. And what is also true is that:

    1. Nilsson does a very dumb thing.
    2. Helluva shot by Boyle.

    Yakupov’s role in this is never mentioned again if the puck doesn’t go in.

  173. Lowetide says:

    Colieo87:
    Who wait wait one second who’s the girl on the picture lordy!?

    Linda Ronstadt.

  174. Ducey says:

    With all due respect for Mr. Zerr (whose chief source of authority seems to be that he lives in or near Bakersfield), and Mr. Obvious (whose chief source of authority seems to rest with the fact he is always certain he is right) Reinhart has played 14 AHL games this year.

    FOURTEEN! It might be a bit hasty to write him off…

  175. Lowetide says:

    AsiaOil:
    So Yak has to make plays based on the assumption that his goalie is going to do stupid things and break rules you learn in peewee? Take a look at the 2nd half of this video which shows a behind the net view of the play…

    http://www.foxsports.com/nhl/story/edmonton-oilers-lose-goalie-anders-nilsson-way-out-of-net-brian-boyle-short-handed-goal-011916?cmpid=feed:-sports-MSNcom

    Nilsson misjudges the play way worse than Yak does. By the time he decides to leave the crease to play the puck – he’s dead in the water. What the fuck was he thinking? I originally thought he was trying to play the puck to one of our guys and catch Boyle deep – but he reacted way too late for that. There was no way he was getting to that puck first looking at it from behind the net. Just a horrible horrible play by Nilsson.

    We are not going to make any progress, so let’s move on.

  176. RexLibris says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: I will never forgive FOX for cancelling Firefly. A young Christina Hendricks, mmm

    She was…sensational.

    I swear the show seemed to slow down when she was on the screen…and no, it wasn’t my hand on the remote hitting rewind.

    That show was so fantastic. Funny how many of the best sci-fi shows are put out to pasture early while other mainstream shows are allowed to rot on the airwaves like a pestilential corpse blackened and bloating in the sun…or, you know, something like that.

  177. OF17 says:

    Lowetide: Rule No. 1 doesn’t get broken if Nail gets the jump. I am not arguing the goalie making a poor play, never have. That isn’t my point. The point is that play could have had a far different ending, and it turned in the seconds after the shot did not go through.

    I don’t think that’s fair. Yak’s error was in allowing a low-percentage shot attempt. Nilsson’s error was in turning that into a goal.

  178. striker says:

    Lowetide: Rule No. 1 doesn’t get broken if Nail gets the jump. I am not arguing the goalie making a poor play, never have. That isn’t my point. The point is that play could have had a far different ending, and it turned in the seconds after the shot did not go through.

    Chicken or the egg? What came first?

    IMO it was an escalating series of failures from three Oilers and good hustle by Boyle that produced that goal.

    #1 Schultz’s shot is blocked and the opposing teams gains clear possession. From that point onwards Schultz should be thinking about the worst case scenario, namely a breakout and a shorthanded opportunity for Tampa may occur. He is slow to retreat and watches the Tampa player relay the puck up the ice before deciding that he should back up. He should also realize that he is on only dman on the ice at the moment,

    #2 Yak is no a dman but if he is playing the point on PP he needs to be thinking of the possibility of a SH break. Yak is slow to react and close the distance on Boyle. It also seems to me he is a step slower than he should be. Could it be that his frustration at possibly reaggravating the high ankle sprain (earlier in the game) led him to get back on the ice to see if he could push through the injury? Dunno but it did not look good as he was led off the ice and we see him back on the bench moments later. It’s not as serious as sending a player back out when he is hit in the head to rule out the possiblity of a concussion but it seems the player/team might have sat him out for the period, taken the skate off and reevaluated. Injuries can be frustrating to players but powering through may do more harm than good. I’ll be interested to see if Yak is in the lineup in the next few games and if he is, whether he has the same jump we saw in his first game back.

    #3 Nilsson makes a mistake in coming out to challenge Boyle. If he stays in the net but comes out to cut down the angle with Yak breathing down Boyle’s neck it may have been a harmless SH shot from a bad angle.

    If we remove Boyle’s good play and focus on the Oilers.

    Who should get the blame on the play?

    Nilsson > Yak > Schutz

    Causal chain of breakdowns is the inverse. If Schultz reacts faster, he is able to assist Yak in defending Boyle. If Yak reacts quicker, Nilsson may not have decided to make the decision to attempt to beat Boyle to the puck. Nilsson makes the decision to try to play the puck too late.

  179. Lois Lowe says:

    VanIsleOil,

    Welcome to the community.

    I am not trying to pick on you or shut you out of the discussion. This tends to be a place where facts and statistics are used to support your opinions. Otherwise, they’re just opinions and there is no real discourse.

    I read you as saying that Snow had a poor draft record and was a ‘dummy’ up to 2012, after which, he magically became competent. In support, you offered his recent trade record (like the deals for Leddy, Boychuck, and the Oilers’ picks) as evidence that he’s learned from his mistakes prior to 2012.

    As I said above, Snow’s draft record prior to the 2012 draft is pretty solid. He did a lot of trading down for ‘more bullets’ as the saying goes. He has a good share of misses, but he’s hit pretty consistently in the first round. He’s also had some real wins on D over the years. Hamonic, Spurgeon, and de Haan are all good players (incidentally the Isles traded down for de Haan so that the Wild could take Leddy).

  180. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: Yes. And what is also true is that:

    1. Nilsson does a very dumb thing.
    2. Helluva shot by Boyle.

    Yakupov’s role in this is never mentioned again if the puck doesn’t go in.

    Boyle played it very well.

    If we reverse the jerseys we would say that the Oiler player showed speed, a good head for the play, and outwaited a sprawling goalie before burying a terrific shot that was on target and raised enough to prevent a block by the trailing forward (Yakupov).

    I go back to the save Hedman made in the previous game when Bishop (I think) was out of position and there was chaos everywhere in their net.

    TBL fans might dissect that and come up with a half a dozen different scenarios in which to blame player X or Y but for the play of Hedman.

    We look at it as good pressure, creating chaos, then a beautiful chance saved by an extraordinary defenseman.

    My point here is this: stuff happens, two players made bad choices, the opponent made a damned good play and now the team moves on with another teachable moment in the books.

    I’m not actually trying to be argumentative here, believe it or not. 🙂

  181. RexLibris says:

    Ducey: FOURTEEN! It might be a bit hasty to write him off…

    That’s 14 more games than I’ve played and even I can tell he’s a draft and trade bust!

    😉

    (Okay, on that one I was feeling kind of argumentative in a thumb-my-nose-at-the-original-argument kind of way)

  182. stephen sheps says:

    RexLibris: If he’s from true blooded Glaswegian stock, a boot to the head isn’t likely to upset him terribly.

    Tough buggers, those.

    Spent some time in Glasgow and Paisley. Wow. It was cleaned up and relatively nice when I was there, but you could tell very quickly that they earned every bit of their reputation over the years.

    Most of the middle-aged men I saw were shaped like beer barrels stood up on short little stilts. Top heavy, chests that were probably 60 inches around, squat-legged, square-jawed and even when they were wearing office casual had the look that they could break your jaw without spilling a drop of their tea…or IronBru as the case may be.

    Good people, intimidating enemies.

    stevezie:
    stephen sheps,

    EDIT: Right in the head.

    Glasgow is a fantastic city. Had a wonderful time there and had the pleasure of writing about that time when Bruce and Derek let me be the travel writer for CnB. Wrote about the Old Firm rivalry and compared it to our own BoA, which obviously pales in comparison.

    One day I hope the magic actually returns to that rivalry. Early returns aren’t looking great, but both teams are young and loaded with potential (*spits – I hate to admit that about the flames. fuck those guys).

    I hope to find my way back to Glasgow (and the rest of Scotland) sooner rather than later, and now that Sheps the younger is moving to the UK, it’s very likely that it will be sooner.

  183. striker says:

    Ryan over at CnB has a nice article about whether Brossoit should play some games this season. Reasoned perspective reminding us about the peak years of goalies being earlier than many would think. Links to older Cosh and Gabe articles were a nice reminder of what we already know and how it may apply to Brossoit and the Oilers.

  184. RexLibris says:

    stephen sheps:
    Glasgow is a fantastic city. Had a wonderful time there and had the pleasure of writing about that time when Bruce and Derek let me be the travel writer for CnB. Wrote about the Old Firm rivalry and compared it to our own BoA, which obviously pales in comparison.

    One day I hope the magic actually returns to that rivalry. Early returns aren’t looking great, but both teams are young and loaded with potential (*spits – I hate to admit that about the flames. fuck those guys).

    I hope to find my way back to Glasgow (and the rest of Scotland) sooner rather than later, and now that Sheps the younger is moving to the UK, it’s very likely that it will be sooner.

    Stirling is a beautiful place to stay.

    Right between Edinburgh and Glasgow, wonderful little city and easy to commute by train East/West.

    If you’ve never been, I strongly recommend a trip way up North. Drive if possible, train if you prefer.

    Stunning country up there and the right of way goes to the traveler so you can walk right on up the hills so long as you stay on a road (such as they are), close the gates behind you and mind for bulls and other livestock.

    Just beware the midges. Those things must’ve been invented by the English to punish the Scots. In the valleys away from the wind they will drive you absolutely mad.

    There really isn’t a part of Scotland that isn’t worth visiting, from the borderlands to the Highlands, it can all be breathtaking.

  185. stephen sheps says:

    RexLibris,

    last time my younger brother and I did Glasgow, Edinburgh and Oban (west highlands). Next time I want to get up north (Speyside whisky, yes please!) and possibly out to the islands. With my brother moving to London shortly, I’m hopeful that at least two trips will happen in the next 18 months or so. We promised ourselves we would do the whisky trail once he finished law school and I finished my PhD. Life interfered with that plan for a bit, but it looks like the gords are in our favour after all.

  186. Oilspill says:

    For those that blame the D men from following a player who swings from low to high..they are supposed to, they follow and a forward needs to fill the low gap, typically a center. Was at the game forwards were not reacting to a read or not reading at all.

  187. OF17 says:

    RexLibris,

    That’s a good thing to keep in mind. We necessarily look at a play differently than the opposing team’s fans do. Just the nature of the game.

    For instance, when I’m watching a non-Oilers game, I notice players on both teams a lot more evenly. When teams play the Oilers, aside from a few standouts, I can’t honestly tell you which players on the other side played well. Too focused on our own side to notice all that much of the others.

  188. RexLibris says:

    stephen sheps:
    RexLibris,

    last time my younger brother and I did Glasgow, Edinburgh and Oban (west highlands). Next time I want to get up north (Speyside whisky, yes please!) and possibly out to the islands. With my brother moving to London shortly, I’m hopeful that at least two trips will happen in the next 18 months or so. We promised ourselves we would do the whisky trail once he finished law school and I finished my PhD. Life interfered with that plan for a bit, but it looks like the gords are in our favour after all.

    If you’ve never tried it, I’d recommend Atholl Brose. Some places here in town can find it. It is a whiskey liqueur.

    Blair Atholl is a very impressive castle/palace to visit as well, though a little touristy at this point.

    My preferred way is to just rent a car and drive all around. Get out to check out a re-built crannoch in a loch, see a few standings stones too derelict to have caught the attention of the government restoration efforts, find small distilleries in tiny little towns like Aberfeldy and so on.

    Best of luck, I’ve seriously considered moving to Scotland in the past. Employment there can be a might tricky, but an extended tour through the region is a fantastic way to vacation.

    If you find yourself looking for a place to stay, drop me a line on twitter and I can forward you the names of some places I’ve stayed.

  189. russ99 says:

    I love Yakupov due to his enthusiasm and drive (that Dallas Eakins would have cleaved out of lesser men) and his near elite puck and shooting skills.

    But as with our other high picks, they were always the man in junior and didn’t learn the ins and outs of two-way play and our dunderheaded management rushed them to the bigs so they had to learn on the job vs. the best in the world.

    So I’m not going to rail against Nail, but just continue to say our skill forwards need to learn some lessons in coverage the D-zone and a little more effort would go a long way. And that goes for most of our D too.

  190. stephen sheps says:

    RexLibris,

    will do, thanks Rex!

    edit: Whiskey liqueur you say? Hmm… I wonder if I can find it down here – not that I have a shortage of whiskey based beverages to try… but that could be really nice.

  191. Snowman says:

    RexLibris: Stirling is a beautiful place to stay.

    Right between Edinburgh and Glasgow, wonderful little city and easy to commute by train East/West.

    If you’ve never been, I strongly recommend a trip way up North. Drive if possible, train if you prefer.

    Stunning country up there and the right of way goes to the traveler so you can walk right on up the hills so long as you stay on a road (such as they are), close the gates behind you and mind for bulls and other livestock.

    Just beware the midges. Those things must’ve been invented by the English to punish the Scots. In the valleys away from the wind they will drive you absolutely mad.

    There really isn’t a part of Scotland that isn’t worth visiting, from the borderlands to the Highlands, it can all be breathtaking.

    Drove through most of Scotland last summer. It was incredible. Glasgow, Edinburgh, and Stirling were all wonderful but nothing can touch the highlands. We stayed a bunch of places. I’ve travelled quite a bit so far in my life and I swear to God unless you’ve been to the highlands there is nowhere else on Earth that has those colours. Just incredible.

    I didn’t make it up as far North as I wanted so I’ll have to go back to visit places like Skye and some others.

    If you have the chance, everyone should go to Scotland. It should be mandatory. Just a fantastic country. Truly.

    As a side note, it is possible to drive in Glasgow if you’ve got a GPS and you’re a good driver. Driving in Edinburgh will kill you. That remains one of the most stressful experiences of my life to date.

  192. anonymous says:

    I think Yaks defenders are more vocal because he’s held responsible for any mistake, right or wrong whereas RNH and Eberle immediately get a reprieve due to ‘recovering from injury” and “he had the flu last week” excuses. To name a few.

    Fucking Russian.

  193. RexLibris says:

    russ99,

    This is, in effect, something I had argued for earlier.

    Yakupov was, I believe, coached in a kind of laissez faire style in his junior career.

    I think he did so many things well that help you excel at the junior level that the coach basically just sent him over the boards with the instructions “go get us a goal”!

    He loves to shoot the puck and he has enough speed and quickness that he could get his shot off well against junior defenders.

    I’m not sure his coaches in Sarnia ever were able, be it on account of their own effort, language barriers or Yakupov’s personal approach, to begin to work on the non-puck skills and so he arrived as a professional with a tremendous set of tools but nobody had spent much time on the tool kit itself and now he is working through all of that into his professional career.

    Full credit to him, many other athletes with his pedigree who face these challenges become jaded and resentful, but he seems to be very grounded and sincere about the sport and the level of commitment required by him in order to excel within it.

  194. bendelson says:

    I’ll let you folks debate the % fault of Yakupov on the goal last night… but I will say this:

    Nilsson was tentative coming out the net. Very bad.
    He was also tentative, when it finally occurred to him he wasn’t going to get to the puck first.
    Don’t slow up and wave your stick at the player as he passes… dig in Anders! If you aren’t going to get to the puck, then make damn certain you take the player out! Another bad choice.

    Hasek would be very disappointed in that effort, to be sure.

  195. CrazyCoach says:

    RexLibris: Nice work on the Bear article, CC.
    A good report and thorough.
    Vishnovsky is heavy praise and Bear would be one hell of a draft steal if he could get to within 80% of that player’s impact.
    Well done.

    I have to hand some of that credit to Bruce McCurdy for allowing me to do it.

    And secondly, to all the people who post in here. I’ve learned a lot about advanced stats and now no longer rely on my “saw him good” senses purely when evaluating.

    Take a bow LT posters!

    And yes, Bear could be the steal of that fifth round. Just from what I saw, he looked better than Caleb Jones. Very small sample size though!

  196. RexLibris says:

    Snowman: Drove through most of Scotland last summer. It was incredible. Glasgow, Edinburgh, and Stirling were all wonderful but nothing can touch the highlands. We stayed a bunch of places. I’ve travelled quite a bit so far in my life and I swear to God unless you’ve been to the highlands there is nowhere else on Earth that has those colours. Just incredible.

    I didn’t make it up as far North as I wanted so I’ll have to go back to visit places like Skye and some others.

    If you have the chance, everyone should go to Scotland. It should be mandatory. Just a fantastic country. Truly.

    As a side note, it is possible to drive in Glasgow if you’ve got a GPS and you’re a good driver. Driving in Edinburgh will kill you. That remains one of the most stressful experiences of my life to date.

    Yep. Highlands. Gives me goosebumps just recalling it now.

    You don’t know green until you’ve seen the vegetation there. And the heather on the hills, the winding little creeks in the valleys. You can’t scratch a life out of the earth in many places there anymore, but to just stand there (with some wind, because of those damned midges) is something you will take to your grave.

    In Edinburgh and Glasgow I stuck with cabbies. Wonderful guys, drive like maniacs and make Montreal drives look like a Sunday stroll.

    Some of the hairpin turns on the hills can be a little distressing for some drivers as well. Many of the roads way up north are one lane with small spots to pull over every 500 metres or so for traffic going the other way.

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