SAD SONGS AND WALTZES AREN’T SELLING THIS YEAR

by Lowetide

For most of the century, playing in Dallas is a waste of time for the Edmonton Oilers. They made enough errors to lose last night, played well enough to keep the faith, and lost a young defenseman who is one of the best things about the season. Our youth, who are consistently derided for lack of maturity, watched the Dallas youth try to score from the moon late with a yawning, empty net—content in the knowledge they had nothing to fear. One day, out in the distance, revenge and redemption sit waiting alongside Dallas Stars tickets cheap as chips. On that day, on the day the Oilers own Dallas deep in the heart of Texas, you and I are going to drink tequila until Mike Keane crawls out of the bottle.

FUNNY HOW TIME SLIPS AWAY, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in October 2014: 4-5-1
  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-8-0
  • Oilers in November 2014: 2-9-3
  • Oilers in November 2015: 4-7-2
  • Oilers in December 2014: 2-8-4
  • Oilers in December 2015: 7-6-1
  • Oilers in January 2015: 5-7-1
  • Oilers in January 2016: 4-4-2
  • Oilers after 49 in 2014-15: 13-27-9, 35 points (-49 GD)
  • Oilers after 49 in 2015-16: 19-25-5, 43 points (-24 GD)

Todd McLellan: “The effort on the back end of a road trip & a long couple weeks was strong.”

DEFENSE, LAST NIGHT

oilers blue nov 30

  • Andrej Sekera is such a talented player, wish we had three more like him. Some day. He had a grand game in Dallas, playing against the Trunk Line. He battled that trio well (8-11 Corsi) and was one of the best Oilers on the night (along with Kassian, Yakupov, Davidson before the injury).
  • Brandon Davidson is such a terrific find, like rum ham in the middle of the ocean. He was great again until the injury, and if he is out any length of time this team will have suffered another crushing injury blow. Excuses are just that, but we are long past being able to shoo away this injury bug as something all teams endure. I am absolutely pissed off at the injuries this season, absolutely derailed progress and robbed us of so many wonderful stories. Dammit all, anyway.
  • Mark Fayne is not a great puck-moving defenseman, but he can defend. He has trouble against fast teams with great skill, and Dallas is such a team. If you review only the goals against, he shows up but not in a good way. If you view only the high danger chances, again he is there. When a defensive defenseman has a night like this one, it isn’t good no matter the Corsi.
  • Justin Schultz was one of the goats on the 0-1 goal, and had (to my eye) a difficult night in the decision-making department. I have said this many times, ordinarily calm feet for a blue is a very good thing, but not when you are about to get run over by a train.
  • Eric Gryba is a similar player to Mark Fayne, but I think he has a better chance to stay an Oiler than Fayne. He struggled alongside Nurse, but was better elsewhere, and even though he has the same speed issues as Fayne, his wingspan and gritty play made him more effective. I know many of you can’t stand him, I like him enough to be pleased should he return.
  • Darnell Nurse had an extremely tough night, and this is the instant they should let him see the game from the gondola. There is no sin here, and as I mentioned previously even a trip to the AHL isn’t surrender. Klefbom played damn near 50 AHL games at 20, Nurse needs to have the game slow down for him. Right now, it must be going 500 miles an hour.

  • Teddy Purcell on Pouliot’s own goal: “Benoit [Pouliot] is trying to do the right thing. He’s on the defensive side of his man. He’s good at tipping those pucks and he usually scores those for our team, but it was just bad luck. He was trying to do the right thing. That’s a tough one to go in, especially with two minutes left in the period when we are heading into the third.” Source

CENTERS, LAST NIGHT

oil c nov 30

  • The Leon Draisaitl Project fought the Benn line well (8-5 in about four minutes) and the numbers suggest a good game. Alas, they could not cash and the Oilers need this line to be heroes every night. The trio was also 8-4 against the Spezza line, that is some damn good Corsi.
  • Benoit Pouliot grabbed an apple on the Yakupov goal but he also tipped in the winning goal on a perfect deflection. Shiza happens. I don’t like him at center, but that probably comes from viewing 400 good wingers turned into poor centers during the MacT era.
  • Mark Letestu and his band went 7-5 against Benn in almost four minutes (McLellan rolled his lines in pursuit of fresh legs) and for me they were the best line for Edmonton. More when we discuss the wingers.
  • Anton Lander can play the hockey, I swear. This blog’s author is often (rightfully) harpooned for defending the Marc Pouliot’s and Jani Rita’s long past the death of their Oilers career, but I see no reason to change my views even in the face of overwhelming evidence. Anton Lander is an NHL player—not a perfect one, not even a top 9F on a good team, maybe. I think the Oilers cast about in summer to find a replacement, but for me he brings enough to earn a roster spot. I suspect defenders of Lander will drift away and he will become a dark meme (‘hey Lowetide, I see Lander is in the Austrailian Outback League haha!’), but this spot on the internet will defend him true. My sail on article is complete.

  • Todd McLellan on Matt Hendricks: “That’s a lot of courage to be in that lane. He needed a couple of minutes, recovered and was right back at it. He drives our team when it comes to that sacrifice level and recovery level. It was nice to see.”

WINGERS, LAST NIGHT

oilers f nov 30

  • Teddy Purcell can play on my team any time. If you isolate his shifts these days and ignore the rest, the Edmonton Oilers are playoff team. Seriously.
  • Nail Yakupov skated miles, cashed, and I thought played a pretty strong game last night. He needed it, as McLellan’s tone was not good before the game (and Yak began the evening batting eighth). In a league starved for goals the man can cash.
  • Taylor Hall looks like a man who could use a break, and I bet the All-Star weekend gives him a shot of energy for the second half of the year. You can see his frustration in losing another season, but the Oilers needed him to be Chance last night, and he wasn’t at his best.
  • Zack Kassian has quickly established himself as a useful winger and gives the Oilers a different look. We have talked forever about bringing in a big, gritty forward for the skills line. My caveat has always been that this fellow needs to be able to actually play. No Jacques, no Winchester, no way. Kassian appears to be said player, able to move the puck in a good direction while also putting the fear of God in opponents. Bet Chiarelli signs him before May long weekend.
  • Jordan Eberle had a loud post and some good looks last night—I thought he and Yakupov had some good moments—but it is clear that line misses the Nuge. Eberle’s season so far has been frustrating, but it is a reflection of his skill and determination that he remains on track for a 20-goal season. He is a helluva hockey player.
  • Iiro Pakarinen is a nice bookend for Kassian, as the Finn is also a little bit crazy. Rambunctious on the ice at Spinner Spencer levels, he is also increasingly effective in important areas of the game. I think McLellan probably loves him.
  • Rob Klinkhammer is a game rooster but when the puck is headed in a bad direction and you are chasing the Dallas Stars, hard work and determination only gets you so far.
  • Matt Hendricks is my hero.

Honest to Christ, it is mind boggling now. Are you kidding me? It’s like the hockey Gods are telling the Oilers to improve their defensive depth or else. Good lord. I mean really. How is this fair? A quick look at possible recall candidates:

  • Griffin Reinhart: Peter Chiarelli said recently he would get a shot in the second half, this could be the beginning of the look. He is 14, 1-4-5 Even in Bakersfield and +4 in his last two games.
  • David Musil: He looked good to me in the Monday game, and remember he was pretty good in his early look a year ago. Part of the reason for this season has been looking at what is available to the new coaching staff, so this might be the time for Musil.
  • Jordan Oesterle: Speedster has improved his offensive game (2-4-6 +4, nine shots in his last four games) and has the best wheels in the group I am discussing here. Substantial chaos alert.
  • Niki Nikitin: Heh.

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LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

We have all the sports today, beginning at 10 TSN 1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Steve Lansky, Big Mouth Sports. We will discuss Canada’s NHL teams, Hendricks manhood, Blue Jays.
  • Jeff Hauser, Radio Hauser. NFL weekend should see Tom Brady punch his ticket to the Super Bowl again. The other game is the potential classic.
  • Paul Almeida, SSE. Paul will answer several medical questions, including the one about the Oilers screwing McDavid over because he is ready to go now.
  • Antony Bent, FC Edmonton. Team Canada callups from the Eddies, signings and transfer window news and rumors.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

 

 

 

 

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raventalon40

Pouzar: You shit on Eberle and advocate for Gagner? Alrighty then.

Just mentioning him as a cost-effective stopgap. In my mind, Eberle’s pretty much trade bait for a defenseman already.

Jethro Tull

bendelson: Ha!
I’m within earshot in 228.
If you stand up during a break in the play and call out ‘Bendelson’, we can take it from there…

It shall shouted as Shatten-Kirk shouted Shatten-KHAAAN!

bendelson

oliveoilers:
bendelson,

Sounds good.

I’ll be in 227.

I’ll drop you a line on tomorrow’s gdt.

Ha!
I’m within earshot in 228.
If you stand up during a break in the play and call out ‘Bendelson’, we can take it from there…

Jethro Tull

bendelson,

Sounds good.

I’ll be in 227.

I’ll drop you a line on tomorrow’s gdt.

bendelson

oliveoilers: I’m sure Mrs Olive will fall in love with me all over again for my gallant act of taking care of a 24 yr old flight attendant and her friends.

I’ll buy you a beer if you don’t tell her.

Hmm, maybe not such a wonderful idea after all… just trying to help out a lonely flight attendant.

Perhaps Snowman can spend the evening taking the birthday girl and friends around town, showing off his world-class hospitality in our world-class city?

(I’ll still buy you that beer Olive).

Ryan

Bank Shot,

Draisatl is taking Nuge’s lunch money.

Lois Lowe

Snowman,

I love your passion! I think it’s great that Edmontonians think so highly of the city they live in.

It is not a world class city by any means though. I’d argue that only Montreal, Toronto, and Vancouver are (and that’s even a stretch).

Jethro Tull

bendelson: I’m at the game tomorrow Olive.
I’ll buy you a beer if you show up with the flight attendant.

I’m sure Mrs Olive will fall in love with me all over again for my gallant act of taking care of a 24 yr old flight attendant and her friends.

I’ll buy you a beer if you don’t tell her.

Jethro Tull
Bad Seed

Snowman,

Former mayor Bill Smith everyone!

Snowman

kinger_OIL,

If you don’t think that Edmonton is among the world’s best cities for attracting the best and brightest immigrants, quality of life, the wealth of its population, social diversity, arts, science and cultural scene, job opportunities I’m not sure where you’ve got your head buried. Edmonton and Calgary are the youngest cities in Canada. Immigrants do travel here for education and work from all around the world. Edmonton is wealthier than almost anywhere on Earth. 23 richest city per capita in 2014 on the planet. It’s getting more and more recognition globally as a place to visit. National geographic named it one of the best 10 summer places to visit for 2015. We have some of the most renowned festivals on the planet. We have a brand new world class art gallery. We’re getting a brand new world class museum. There University of Alberta contributes tremendously to medical research globally and is consistently recognized and participating in cutting edge research and treatment. The Mazankowski is globally recognized as one of the world’s leading cardiac hospitals. I don’t really know what you’re looking for here. Our crime rates are low. our air is clean. Our water is clean. The only thing Edmonton lacks is a warm winter and an Ocean view. I understand that nobody moves here because its Edmonton like they might for New York or Paris. Edmonton has a top end mix of all the things you mentioned. It might not be the best for any one thing but it’s extremely good at all of them.

No we’re not among one of the cities that captures people’s imaginations. And our transit is complete shit. Again those things don’t mean we’re not a world class city.

Pouzar

raventalon40:
Question: if Couturier comes back soon and Oilers are still within striking distance of the last playoff spot, do you initiate a trade for Gagner? He’s UFA at the end of the season and he’ll fill the gap for RNH until he gets back. Not saying he’s an equal player by any means, but the player is familiar with the organization and city, and has shown in the past he can play on the third or fourth line (where he once lined up next to Zach Stortini and Andrew Cogliano).

You shit on Eberle and advocate for Gagner? Alrighty then.

frjohnk
raventalon40

Question: if Couturier comes back soon and Oilers are still within striking distance of the last playoff spot, do you initiate a trade for Gagner? He’s UFA at the end of the season and he’ll fill the gap for RNH until he gets back. Not saying he’s an equal player by any means, but the player is familiar with the organization and city, and has shown in the past he can play on the third or fourth line (where he once lined up next to Zach Stortini and Andrew Cogliano).

JD_Wry
Bank Shot

Derek: I’m at a loss Bankshot.That 2 point discrepancy has made swiss cheese of my entire theory.

Well if the level of comp that Drai and RNH play is roughly equal that means whatever easy comp Draisaitl gets at home, RNH would get on the road. If this weren’t true then their level of comp wouldn’t be equal.

If Drai is only tearing it up at home because of weak comp, then shouldn’t RNH be tearing it up on the road?

Anyway, is there any evidence that Draisaitl doesn;t play tough comp at home? Here’s the last game against Dallas at home and it looks like Drai plays as much time against Benn as RNh does.

http://nullisecund.us/nhl/toi.php?id=20386

Against the bruins Drai is basically hard matched to Krecji.

Then Winnipeg comes to town and Drai sees a whole bunch of Wheeler,Ladd and Little.

It’s all there on nicetimeonice.com

Why are people trying to sell the narrative that Nuge is doing all the heavy lifting for Draisaitl when it isn’t true?

commonfan29

It’s horribly unfair that Nuge’s injury will keep us from seeing the full potential of the roster anytime soon. My secret hopes of a big run down the stretch are pretty much extinguished.

However, the silver lining is still pretty incredible.

My favourite TV show, aka “Connor McDavid playing hockey,” is coming back on February 2nd.

He’s been gone so long that I think we’ve all kind of forgotten he was real. Plus we saw him so briefly that it hadn’t really set in yet just how good he already is and how amazing he’s going to be.

Everything else that’s happened this season, even Drai’s amazing emergence, is going to be an afterthought when all’s said and done.

That lottery happened, the Oiler card was gold. It’s real.

And we’re 11 days away from living it again.

Happy Friday everyone.

JD_Wry

Derek: I’m at a loss Bankshot

You either move the goalposts, or ignore that data!

FunsTuff

News of James Reimer looking for a big pay day has me boggled. Does no one remember his last few seasons? He was barely looking like a back up behind Bernier.
Fans either have the worst memory, or the idea of a “small sample size” is bullshit.

This team and fans are no different. The immediate conclusion that draisaitl is the legitimate number two after a successful first half, regardless of his performance the year before and the constant complaining about his performance in the ahl this year. Hopkins falling from a core pillar to a 3rd line hrudey center because of ANOTHER season being entirely too consistent.

I worried about how people would react to this season. Expecting more wins, more points. The success for a team that can manage to lose out of the post season prior to the half way mark shouldn’t be a miraculous turn around, but arrows in the right direction.

My reasonable expectation for this team was not more wins, but a closer game. Upgrades over a summer from where this team was in the standings isn’t a significant amount of wins, but a reduction in the goal differential. How many times over the last few years has this team lost 6-0? 5-0?
4-2 is still 0 points, but confidence can still build from structured play, regardless of the outcome.

This team has been the best one dressed in a decade, and I hope this ridiculously impatient market understands the success the team has had in comparison.

As an aside. Drai, and the Nuge are, in my opinion, both keystones to the success of this franchise. Personally I don’t like Hall’s style of play, but respect his talent and if I could do it again, would still draft him over Seguin, BUT he can’t push a river alone on the wing and DEPTH at centre is more important than a winger. His brush with disenchanted fans last year was less uncomfortable for me (but just as ridiculous).

Derek

Bank Shot: So on the road RNH gets the easy matchups?

Then why does he also score more at home?

16 to 14.

I’m at a loss Bankshot. That 2 point discrepancy has made Swiss cheese of my entire theory.

Edit to add:Although it is troubling that RNH and his partners haven’t been able to make more of their easier opposition on the road. It jives with G moneys cumulative possession numbers showing the RNH line losing the possession battle more often than not. Is it possible to get home and away splits for those as well….? Just asking in case you’ve been getting too much sleep lately G. 🙂

bendelson

oliveoilers:
Going to game tomorrow.

See LT, sometimes us punk ass kids do listen to their elders and betters!

Anyone else out and about tomorrow?

I’m at the game tomorrow Olive.
I’ll buy you a beer if you show up with the flight attendant.

blainer

It is really hard to believe the amount of injuries we have suffered this year. I am really beginning to believe there is a curse at Rexall and can’t wait to get out of there even though a lot of the injuries have occurred on the road.

I would guess Tmc has never experienced injuries like this in his entire coaching career.

It is becoming very difficult to watch lately as we are not going to get a chance to even play one game with a healthy squad this year . Just a shame.

I was a glass half full guy at the beginning of the season.. would be shocked if we now finish any higher than 27th. We are getting yet another lovely pick come June.

frjohnk

fifthcartel:
I think Chairelli moves Reinhart this summer.

Virtually everyone agrees the Oilers need to add a defensemen, and I’m of the mind they need two for sure, as hard as that may be to acquire.

I’m not sure if they have the room to run with both Nurse and Reinhart having so little games played, and considering Chiarelli’s Boston teams had a lot of experienced defensemen that’d be a lot of green defensemen in Nurse/Reinhart/Klefbom. There’s no Chara or Boychuk here to stick a rookie with, or even Burns or Vlasic in McLellan’s case.

The trade was a bit curious considering Reinhart is left-handed and doesn’t project to bring a lot of offense. I’ve read good things about his shot, but I’m not sure it’d be right to call him a future power-play specialist.

Anyways, with Nurse and Klefbom here you’d think that left-side is pretty much set unless they were projected to have Reinhart on that third pairing.

Adding Sekera to the left-side makes it even more crowded and even if one of them switch to the ride side, say Klefbom or Sekera, you’d still want a fourth option that brings a lot of offense.

Something like:

Klefbom-Sekera
Nurse-Shattenkirk/Barrie

That would make some sense, and maybe they see Reinhart replacing Sekera but that’s a pretty big assumption and again, leaves the top 4 without a lot of offense considering I don’t think either Nurse or Reinhart will be big point producers.

Now if they project him to play on the third-pairing for a while, that’s a curious move because you can generally get those players for less than the price Chiarelli paid for Reinhart, which is why I’m thinking they move him to get a right-handed defensemen this off-season.

I think Chiarelli thought Reinhart was more NHL ready than he is and it wasn’t worth keeping him in the NHL and losing Brandon Davidson on waivers. Davidson has made things really interesting because he has performed very well on the third-pairing, and he should be very cheap and that has a lot of value on a team like the Oilers who will have big contracts and need cheap ones to perform, like Davidson.

The Oilers sent Reinhart down and it seems like they decided to have Nurse developing (drowning?) in the NHL and then Reinhart getting more minutes in Bakersfield.

I’m not very high on Reinhart, but he drafted pretty high and I bet has a decent reputation around the league still. What I’m thinking is he could be the cheap defensemen replacement to a team that wants to add a forward for a defensemen, and maybe is close to the cap/is a budget team.

Shattenkirk comes to mind, maybe St.Louis wants to move some money from defence to forward as they have Parayko to replace Shattenkirk and few LH D outside of Bouwmeester.

But I think this makes a lot of sense because if you can have Davidson and someone else occupy the bottom pairing next year, then Reinhart could be very valuable as a trade chip to finally add a significant piece if added with a forward.

When Chia traded for Reinhart, Sekara was still a UFA, and nobody projected Davidson as a top 6 option for the upcoming season.

Oilers had
Klefbom- only real top 4 option on D

Fayne- a possible top 4 option

Schutlz-?????

Nikitin- a slow moving D man with questionable decision making

Nurse- was he NHL ready?

Ference- was done

Marincin- not a Chia type player

Chia had to fix the D and could not count on UFA. At that time, getting Reinhart was not a bad idea.

I think though with the Sekara signing and the Davidson emergence, somebody on the left could probably go for help on the right side. Reinhart could be that guy.

JD_Wry
Water Fire

Nuge is a bum, but he’s our bum.

kinger_OIL

Snowman:
Protagonist,

Chicago is by far a better city than New York and Boston is even better. New York has the “mystique” sure. Doesn’t mean its better because its not.

What people think doesnt change the reality of what Edmonton is. World class.

– Huh? If you said: “in my opinion” Chicago or Boston are far better cities than NY I’d let it pass.

– Chicago’s self-proclaimed nickname is “The Second City”, second to NY.

– Boston is a wonderful city, and by any number of personal definitions your entitled to believe its “better” than New York, but that’s subjective, and you’d be in the minority

– Edmonton is a top-50 city in North America in terms of size, and relevance. It’s world class like Charlotte or Austin, or Indianapolis: i.e. not really world class. San Fran, in the same ball-park in terms of population: that’s a “world-class” city

– Of course I too am subjective, if by world-class you mean they have the ammenities of a big city, then yes Edmonton is world class: it has a university, museums, nice restaurants, great people, etc.. Edmonton is a wonderful city, by any definition

– World class to me though means relevance culturally, attracting the imagination of people everywhere, attracting the best and brightest immigrants, quality of life, the wealth of its population, social diversity, arts, science and cultural scene, job opportunities, transit, etc

* and its too cold in Edmonton for too long of the year!

fifthcartel

I think Chairelli moves Reinhart this summer.

Virtually everyone agrees the Oilers need to add a defensemen, and I’m of the mind they need two for sure, as hard as that may be to acquire.

I’m not sure if they have the room to run with both Nurse and Reinhart having so little games played, and considering Chiarelli’s Boston teams had a lot of experienced defensemen that’d be a lot of green defensemen in Nurse/Reinhart/Klefbom. There’s no Chara or Boychuk here to stick a rookie with, or even Burns or Vlasic in McLellan’s case.

The trade was a bit curious considering Reinhart is left-handed and doesn’t project to bring a lot of offense. I’ve read good things about his shot, but I’m not sure it’d be right to call him a future power-play specialist.

Anyways, with Nurse and Klefbom here you’d think that left-side is pretty much set unless they were projected to have Reinhart on that third pairing.

Adding Sekera to the left-side makes it even more crowded and even if one of them switch to the ride side, say Klefbom or Sekera, you’d still want a fourth option that brings a lot of offense.

Something like:

Klefbom-Sekera
Nurse-Shattenkirk/Barrie

That would make some sense, and maybe they see Reinhart replacing Sekera but that’s a pretty big assumption and again, leaves the top 4 without a lot of offense considering I don’t think either Nurse or Reinhart will be big point producers.

Now if they project him to play on the third-pairing for a while, that’s a curious move because you can generally get those players for less than the price Chiarelli paid for Reinhart, which is why I’m thinking they move him to get a right-handed defensemen this off-season.

I think Chiarelli thought Reinhart was more NHL ready than he is and it wasn’t worth keeping him in the NHL and losing Brandon Davidson on waivers. Davidson has made things really interesting because he has performed very well on the third-pairing, and he should be very cheap and that has a lot of value on a team like the Oilers who will have big contracts and need cheap ones to perform, like Davidson.

The Oilers sent Reinhart down and it seems like they decided to have Nurse developing (drowning?) in the NHL and then Reinhart getting more minutes in Bakersfield.

I’m not very high on Reinhart, but he drafted pretty high and I bet has a decent reputation around the league still. What I’m thinking is he could be the cheap defensemen replacement to a team that wants to add a forward for a defensemen, and maybe is close to the cap/is a budget team.

Shattenkirk comes to mind, maybe St.Louis wants to move some money from defence to forward as they have Parayko to replace Shattenkirk and few LH D outside of Bouwmeester.

But I think this makes a lot of sense because if you can have Davidson and someone else occupy the bottom pairing next year, then Reinhart could be very valuable as a trade chip to finally add a significant piece if added with a forward.

Snowman

Protagonist,

Being recognized as being world class and actually being world class are two different things. Edmonton is world class whether people come here for that reason or not.

Taylor Hall hasn’t been recognized as an elite level hockey player until this year. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t an elite player before this. Edmonton is the same way. What people think of it and what it actually is are two different things.

Chicago is by far a better city than New York and Boston is even better. New York has the “mystique” sure. Doesn’t mean its better because its not.

What people think doesnt change the reality of what Edmonton is. World class.

Bank Shot

Derek: Drai and RNHs quality of competition are similar because at home Mclennan uses RNH to face up against the top competition and hides Hall and Drai.On the road he cannot do this as often.If you don’t think this is significant, check the home and away splits for Draisaitls point production.

So on the road RNH gets the easy matchups?

Then why does he also score more at home?

16 to 14.

Jethro Tull

Going to game tomorrow.

See LT, sometimes us punk ass kids do listen to their elders and betters!

Anyone else out and about tomorrow?

frjohnk

We know that Nurse is struggling, but there was a play last night that made me smile.

Seguin got the puck in the neutral zone close to our blue line and Nurse was the only man back. Seguin attacked with speed and if it was anybody else back there, Seguin may have blew by them.
I noticed that Nurse really focused on Seguins chest, did not focus on the puck, did not give up much gap and skated backwards at warp speed. Seguin tried a couple of moves but Nurse neutralized Seguin and the puck went harmlessly into the corner.

It was a perfect play against one of the best 1 on 1 players in the league.

frjohnk

Derek: Thank you for doing the actual work, I looked for a site to seperate the numbers and gave up quickly.The Drai numbers were mentioned during a recent game and the difference was much more pronounced.

Of course Remenda and Quinn attributed it to home cooking or some other dumb shit, but that’s the world we live in.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/splits/_/id/3114727/leon-draisaitl

frjohnk

JDï™:
frjohnk,

Are you still chugging beers?

lol. no.

frjohnk

Gaudreau faces the toughs on the road
22 games 3 goals 10 assists

at home he is sheltered
23 games 17 goals 16 assists 33 points

Gaudreau wont do well if matched up against a very mobile defenceman that has very good gap control. If Gaudreau does not have time and space, he is neutered.

But he will shred 3rd pairing, and slow moving d man that allow big gaps.

Derek

frjohnk: I could be wrong but it seems like Hall and company face the tough competition on the road, while at home McLellan would get RNH to face the toughs.

Hall at home
23 games 29 points
on the road
26 games 18 points

Dallas does the same thing, they will get Benn and Seguin to face easier competition at home ( not always, but usually) and they face the toughs on the road.

Same thing for Benn (he is in my draft)
at home
23 games 35 points
25 games 22 points on the road

Thank you for doing the actual work, I looked for a site to seperate the numbers and gave up quickly. The Drai numbers were mentioned during a recent game and the difference was much more pronounced.

Of course Remenda and Quinn attributed it to home cooking or some other dumb shit, but that’s the world we live in.

BONVIE

Im excited to see Rheinhart play again. Very underated defenseman with his positioning in closing gaps entering the zone and protecting the scoring areas of the ice. Nurse is really struggling with puck watching in the scoring areas instead of physically eliminating the intended target.

I seen some suggest calling up Nikitin which to me is a bad idea, he and Hunt are not NHL defenseman if they feel a call up is necessary to have Nurse play some more minor league games(which i don’t believe is necesarry) than I think Osterle and a few others remain a better option. Osterle has been playing great with Rheinhart, as of late and is a small dman, but actually has some structure to his game. Musil and Simpson are also better options than both Nikitin and Hunt they actually are interested in playing defense.

Protagonist

Snowman:
Protagonist,

Edmonton is a world class city.

We’ve got excellent festivals, wonderful parks and green space larger than any in North America, We have a tremendous musical/arts community. We have some of the best restaurants on Earth as recognized internationally. Our theater community and many musical venues provide world class entertainment and draw the biggest acts from all around the world.

I’ve traveled lots. I’ve been to some of the world’s great cities. Glasgow, Sydney, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Vancouver and dozens of others. Edmonton is as good or better than all of them.

If you don’t recognize Edmonton for what it is you are missing out just like the rest of the planet. Edmonton is as good as they come. Only thing that makes some of those other cities “better” is location and more history. Otherwise there is nothing appreciably better.

I will argue this point until I’m blue in the face. Edmonton is a world class city and it gets better every year.

I’m not entirely sure I believe you that Edmonton is as good or better than most of those cities that you’ve listed, especially for the top 1% of wage-earners (which hockey players by definition are). And I’ll state again that I do live here and even if I was a top 1%’er I’d definitely still live here (thought I’d definitely have a summer home somewhere warm) but I think that calling Edmonton as good (again for the top 1%) as a New York, Dallas or Montreal is a little disingenuous.

I’m not trying to say that Edmonton is a hole or anything (again, happily lived here my entire life) but at the very least, it’s not internationally recognized as a “world’s great city.” And that recognition is a big component of the pull and appeal of one “world class city” over another. Chicago is a big city, but New York has that magnetism (real or imagined) that pulls people in. That mystique, that je ne sais quoi that gets you a title of, “world class city.” Real or imagined, the effect exists whether you want to believe it or not, and you can choose to ignore the effect if you want but it’s there.

No one is leaving Edmonton because of the city but I also don’t think anyone is coming here because of the city.

Which is a shame. We’ve got some great tacos here. 🙂

Bank Shot

Protagonist: Depends on which version of sheltered you want to talk about. The one that I prefer is pretty simple:

Player A shelters player B if Player B’s QUALCOMP is lower when Player A is around

And in that case, when RNH isn’t around and other teams are free to match against the only effective line that the Oilers have, the Hall-Drai-X line, then Draisatl’s quality of opponent significantly raises. Thus, Draisaitl has a less easy time when RNH is not present. I call that sheltering, you can call that what you will.

I get the point. That’s just not how anyone else has historically used the term.

It’s probable that with RNH out, someone like Letestu will see a larger increase in QUALCOMP rather than Drai, as forwards aren’t hard matched all that often. Certainly not to the level that a team matches their top pairing D to the other team’s top forwards.

frjohnk

Protagonist: Depends on which version of sheltered you want to talk about. The one that I prefer is pretty simple:

Player A shelters player B if Player B’s QUALCOMP is lower when Player A is around

And in that case, when RNH isn’t around and other teams are free to match against the only effective line that the Oilers have, the Hall-Drai-X line, then Draisatl’s quality of opponent significantly raises. Thus, Draisaitl has a less easy time when RNH is not present. I call that sheltering, you can call that what you will.

I could be wrong but it seems like Hall and company face the tough competition on the road, while at home McLellan would get RNH to face the toughs.

Hall at home
23 games 29 points
on the road
26 games 18 points

Dallas does the same thing, they will get Benn and Seguin to face easier competition at home ( not always, but usually) and they face the toughs on the road.

Same thing for Benn (he is in my draft)
at home
23 games 35 points
25 games 22 points on the road

Derek

Bank Shot: I think you are just redefining what the phrase “being sheltered” means.

It has always been used to describe one player taking on the lion’s share of the tough matchups in order to provide an easier path for the second player.

If Drai and RNH are seeing the same level of comp then one is not sheltering the other. They are peers.

The term shelter loses all of its meaning if you are going to apply it that way.

Drai and RNHs quality of competition are similar because at home Mclennan uses RNH to face up against the top competition and hides Hall and Drai. On the road he cannot do this as often. If you don’t think this is significant, check the home and away splits for Draisaitls point production.

Bank Shot

LadiesloveSmid:
Bank Shot,

when Langkow was 22 he had 33P, at 23 he had 23P

maybe Langkow’s production in his prime is comparable to RNH’s early in his career, if that’s what you’re getting at

Langkow scored 50 points in his draft season +5.
RNH was on pace for 53 points before injury in his draft season +5.

RNH started off ahead but Langkow effectively caught him by 22.

That was the year Philly had injures at C and Langkow got his first chance to play with talent on the first line. RNH has had that opportunity his entire career. Perhaps Langkow in a similar situation would have producing a similar amount all the way along. We don’t really know. We do know that the gap was pretty much gone by draft +5 though.

kooler

Centre of attention,

Because we destroy Russian defenseman ….Anton Belov gone, Nikita Nikitin almost gone.

Snowman

Protagonist,

Edmonton is a world class city.

We’ve got excellent festivals, wonderful parks and green space larger than any in North America, We have a tremendous musical/arts community. We have some of the best restaurants on Earth as recognized internationally. Our theater community and many musical venues provide world class entertainment and draw the biggest acts from all around the world.

I’ve traveled lots. I’ve been to some of the world’s great cities. Glasgow, Sydney, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Vancouver and dozens of others. Edmonton is as good or better than all of them.

If you don’t recognize Edmonton for what it is you are missing out just like the rest of the planet. Edmonton is as good as they come. Only thing that makes some of those other cities “better” is location and more history. Otherwise there is nothing appreciably better.

I will argue this point until I’m blue in the face. Edmonton is a world class city and it gets better every year.

Protagonist

Bank Shot: I think you are just redefining what the phrase “being sheltered” means.

It has always been used to describe one player taking on the lion’s share of the tough matchups in order to provide an easier path for the second player.

If Drai and RNH are seeing the same level of comp then one is not sheltering the other. They are peers.

The term shelter loses all of its meaning if you are going to apply it that way.

Depends on which version of sheltered you want to talk about. The one that I prefer is pretty simple:

Player A shelters player B if Player B’s QUALCOMP is lower when Player A is around

And in that case, when RNH isn’t around and other teams are free to match against the only effective line that the Oilers have, the Hall-Drai-X line, then Draisatl’s quality of opponent significantly raises. Thus, Draisaitl has a less easy time when RNH is not present. I call that sheltering, you can call that what you will.

Bank Shot

Protagonist: That’s sort of demonstrably false. If Drai gets 50% of his time against the opponents #1 line and 50% against the #2 line, and we assume the same with RNH, then it’s entirely possible to have Drai’s line get 100% of the #1 line of the opposition once he’s out, thus raising his QUALCOMP quite substantially.

Just because when they are both on the ice they have similar QUALCOMPs doesn’t mean that in the absence of RNH Draisaitl’s won’t go up (and thus he was being sheltered).

I think you are just redefining what the phrase “being sheltered” means.

It has always been used to describe one player taking on the lion’s share of the tough matchups in order to provide an easier path for the second player.

If Drai and RNH are seeing the same level of comp then one is not sheltering the other. They are peers.

The term shelter loses all of its meaning if you are going to apply it that way.

LadiesloveSmid

Bank Shot,

when Langkow was 22 he had 33P, at 23 he had 23P

maybe Langkow’s production in his prime is comparable to RNH’s early in his career, if that’s what you’re getting at

JD_Wry

frjohnk,

Are you still chugging beers?

😉

wintoon

Every year around the entry draft we hear the mantra “Draft the Best Player Available ( BPA ). Do not draft specifically for need”.

Why? Well, because these young players are assets with value. By drafting the BPA, you give your team the best possible assets for improving your team via trades.

The problem for the Oilers, and many of their fans, is they become emotionally attached to these drafted players and have difficulty objectively assessing their values. They also have trouble identifying the value of young players developing in other organizations. Despite the potential backlash from the fan base when there is talk of trading a favorite player. Chiarelli’s job demands that he do just that to fix, for example,the D Corps of the Oilers.

I expect the 2016-2017 Oilers to be quite different from the current iteration. I also expect them to be a solid playoff contender and participant. If not questions must be asked regarding the job being done by Chiarelli.

Protagonist

Centre of attention:
Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC· 3m3 minutes ago
Hearing Russian free-agent D Nikita Zaitsev is telling teams his intention is to sign with TOR next season. Would be a one-year ELC.

Why don’t we get any of the sexy free agents?

If someone mentions Schultz they are getting smacked

Because we are not:

A) A good climate
B) A world class city (I love Edmonton to death but it’s true)
C) A good team

Solve at least one of those and you’ll start seeing people drop the “shitty situation” fee. Just look at Florida, Toronto, or Detroit (in that order).