SUPPLY AND DEMAND

by Lowetide

When it comes to estimating approximate trade value for defensemen, there is an enormous deadline kicker. An NHL team looking to go deep into the playoffs must plan to overcome significant injuries at the position. Remember the Buffalo Sabres in 2006? They were running out AHL guys in the semi’s because that is all they had left by that point in the year.

Into that scenario we add a weird year in which the sellers are few and the buyers are double. It is a perfect storm for a team with extra blue—and Edmonton has three bags full (Schultz, Gryba, Fayne) by my estimate. We are reaching a point where the reporting media is finding the range on the available pieces and the richness at defense simply does not exist:

  • Mark Lazerus, Chicago Sun-Times: The smart move would be to get a winger. Seemingly half the league is in the market for a defenseman, and the price could be too high for the Hawks to compete for the likes of Vancouver’s Dan Hamhuis, Edmonton’s Justin Schultz, or Calgary’s Kris Russell. Source.

I am thinking the price is a third-round pick, and folks that is not high—many players fetch greater in a more typical year. Here are some unusual trade deadline deals that raised (my) eyebrows (it is a unibrow) from last season:

  • Anaheim traded D Ben Lovejoy to Pittsburgh for D Simon Despres. Exhibit A in terms of weird return for veteran defenders. The Penguins knew and liked Lovejoy, perhaps offering insight into Mark Fayne’s possible destination. The deal was a wash financially, with Lovejoy having one year left on his deal at $1.1 million and Simon Despres with another year at $900,000.
  • St. Louis trades D Ian Cole to Pittsburgh for D Robert Bortuzzo and 2016 seventh-round pick. I didn’t like this trade for Bortuzzo and his numbers this year (27, 1-0-1 12:43 TOI) reflect his status as an end-of-the-roster type. Cole (45, 0-4-4 17:54) has played a greater role and I like his future far more.
  • Edmonton trades D Jeff Petry to the Montreal Canadiens for a second-round pick (Jonas Siegenthaler) and a fourth-round pick (Caleb Jones). When you are trading a bona fide top 4D this isn’t enough, but it happened and I am listing it to show the wide range of values at the deadline. No disrespect to the picks, but Simon Despres would have been a far more useful return.

In each case, I was flummoxed. Despres, Cole and (especially) Petry should have fetched more (well, Petry should have been signed) for the teams dealing them. The deadline does some crazy things, and with three defenders in play (I believe that to be the case) we will see how this shakes down.

TRADE DEADLINE BLUE

trade deadline blue

This is sorted by CorsiRel (I am old fashioned, this is the best metric for me) and shows all three man as having some value to an NHL team. Gryba is a depth guy, but if Matt Greene can play in the postseason then the big man can, too. Fayne is a guy who doesn’t deliver a lot with the puck on his stick, but for me he is an extremely useful defenseman. I hope Edmonton keeps him, but cannot imagine an NHL scout failing to write something home about No. 5 and his effectiveness. The contract (two years remaining) is a hurdle, but the Oilers waived him early in the season and maybe they are willing to retain cap for those two years.

And that brings us to Justin Schultz. His 5×5/60 number this season is poor, would have been better to deal him last year (0.77) or in 2013-14 (0.89). No NHL team can compress trade value like the Oilers, and Schultz is the latest and a spectacular example.

One major item we cannot factor into this deadline: The impact of lack of supply. For Lazerus to be mentioning Schultz this late in the process may be a tell. Two weeks to go, pray the pack stays close to the playoffs and the Oilers head into February 29 with three trade chips from the blue.

  • Note: I would not trade Fayne. He is one of the four best defensemen on the team, and I suspect the same will be true in October 2016.
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highgloveside

If the cap drops $4 mill, the teams in the worst position and would have to shed salary because of new contracts kicking in or RFA’s or UFA to resign or replace.

No UFAs listed below, RFA’s and others

WSH – Carlson
ANA – Vatanen
CHI – Shaw
COL – Barrie
DAL – Eakin, Roussel
LAK – Toffoli
NSH – Wilson
PHI – Simmonds, Schenn
NYR – TJ Miller, Kreider
STL – Shattinkirk
TAM (if they sign Stamkos) –
WSH – Carlson, Wilson
WPG (budget team)

Definitely some potential players that could greatly help the Oilers

BONVIE

highgloveside:
square_wheels,

///you say Yandle is Schultz with a good shot is like saying Byfuglien is Nikitin with better puck rushing skills.

Over the past 5 years, Yandle is 6th in scoring.Can make end to end rushes, enter the zone and a top 10 first pass.His PPG has been below .50 since 2008.

Yandle type is exactly what the oilers need to improve the PP and transition the puck to the forwards.

No i would agree with square wheels assessment he is a higher priced Shultz, and his shot is definitely better.

highgloveside

Oilers need to add 2 dmen in top 4.

They need a top 4 offensive minded PP QB that can greatly improve the PP, the player Schultz has never become. (Yandle/Vatanen/Barrie)

top pair dman that can do it all and play the minutes (Hamonic, Carlson)

Having the right defense core alone will make this tea significantly better.

If you can add power forward for 3rd line an 3rd line centre with size and offensive skill it would be a huge step in the right direction.

highgloveside

square_wheels,

///you say Yandle is Schultz with a good shot is like saying Byfuglien is Nikitin with better puck rushing skills.

Over the past 5 years, Yandle is 6th in scoring. Can make end to end rushes, enter the zone and a top 10 first pass. His PPG has been below .50 since 2008.

Yandle type is exactly what the oilers need to improve the PP and transition the puck to the forwards.

G Money

frjohnk: I don’t not think there is some conspiracy to sewer Yak.

Point being, it’s almost certainly NOT a conspiracy, and calling it that is presumably just an attempt at descrediting by drive-by labeling. [Not that that this is what you’re doing, just noting what that general line of action tends to be motivated by]

It’s simply incompetence and stubbornness.

The same incompetence and stubbornness that has left us with four years of Justin Schultz, no Jeff Petry, two C’s (one hurt) and mud to start last season, and on and on it goes.

G Money

Oilspill,

something something ‘low hockey IQ’ something something

Bruce McCurdy

GCW_69: I don’t not think there is some conspiracy to sewer Yak.

I see what you did there.

Pouzar

Have pitchers and catchers reported yet?

frjohnk

stevezie:
frjohnk,

The most optimistic reading of the situation is Yak isn’t receiving pp/McDavis time because they are sure they’re keeping him. Eberle, Purcell, and Korpse are all question marks so they need to showcase/investigate them. They aren’t afraid to hurt Yak’s value because they know they’re keeping him and will play him soon enough.

Yeah. I have thought that is possible.

I guess we will see how this all plays out in the next couple of weeks.

stevezie

frjohnk,

The most optimistic reading of the situation is Yak isn’t receiving pp/McDavis time because they are sure they’re keeping him. Eberle, Purcell, and Korpse are all question marks so they need to showcase/investigate them. They aren’t afraid to hurt Yak’s value because they know they’re keeping him and will play him soon enough.

frjohnk

GCW_69:
If the Oilers are going to trade one of Eberle or Yakupov, they should push Purcell out the door ASAP.

Why? Playing Eberle with McDavid maximizes his value.Playing Yakupov in Purcell’s spot will tell them if he can put up numbers with someone not named McDavid. If he can, his trade value increases as does the Oilers comfort in trading Eberle.

The session is lost, so why not do what you can to maximize your assets?

I agree but there may not be any dance partners for Purcell until the trade deadline.

Some Prospective suitors for a player like Purcell may want to wait until the deadline for salary cap reasons

GCW_69

If the Oilers are going to trade one of Eberle or Yakupov, they should push Purcell out the door ASAP.

Why? Playing Eberle with McDavid maximizes his value. Playing Yakupov in Purcell’s spot will tell them if he can put up numbers with someone not named McDavid. If he can, his trade value increases as does the Oilers comfort in trading Eberle.

The session is lost, so why not do what you can to maximize your assets?

JD_Wry

G Money,

You have to test your scripts on shitty data too!

frjohnk

Even though I found last games Korpikoski time on PP2 over Yak a bit puzzling, I don’t not think there is some conspiracy to sewer Yak. The reasons the coaches put Korpikoski on the PP could range from playing well ( from what they see) to showcase, but we don’t really know.

The idea that the coaches are trying to sewer a player for whatever reason is ridiculous. A coach is going to put the best players on the ice that he can. Players can get also get rewarded with more ice time for good play, or if they are being showcased. Players will lose ice time or be put on the ice with inferior players because of numbers.

I think Yak falls into the last sentence. We have good winger depth and after the top 2 centers, our center depth is horrid. Yak is not be better than Hall, Pouliot, Eberle and not being showcased like Purcell, so Yak is the odd man out.

I have to wonder if the Oilers would look to keeping all 3 of McDavid, Draisaitl and RNH and then adding another center in the summer. An actual 3rd line center who could fill in on the 2nd line and not be out of place.

Because Letestu and Hendricks are not cutting it as our bottom 6 centers.

I would imagine that Yak gets a chance in the top 6 when Purcell gets traded.

stevezie

Oilspill,

It’s not so much that you’re wrong (many here think you are right), it’s that if you’re right you’re not good at communicating how and why.

“Trust me, I’m smart” is not really a persuasive argument. It’s not really an argument at all.

Oilspill

Watch and understand or don’t understand and rely on others!

SwedishPoster

Oilspill:
Fans can generate all the numbers they want to prove their point. Yak isgenerally lazy and hasreal low hockey IQ. He is not smart with the puck and even worse away from it. What proves this? Experience. I don’t need numbers to prove the obvious. Yak is not a victim of any conspiracy. He’s a victim of the inability to adjust to the game that coaches want him to play.

Yes you are right we should all kneel before your vastly superior hockey knowledge. What you consider to be truth is truly the only truth and therefore must be true.

Oilspill

Fans can generate all the numbers they want to prove their point. Yak is generally lazy and has real low hockey IQ. He is not smart with the puck and even worse away from it. What proves this? Experience. I don’t need numbers to prove the obvious. Yak is not a victim of any conspiracy. He’s a victim of the inability to adjust to the game that coaches want him to play.

AsiaOil:
Yeah it’s getting a bit baffling isn’t it G? Maybe Kevin Lowe is some sort of hockey zombie that infects anyone in the org as they all start doing ISS (incredible stupid shit) within months of joining the organization. I’ve been getting progressively less happy with TMac since Christmas. His overuse of many guys (Korpse, Letestu, Pak, Shultz). TMacs love affair with Letestu makes MacTs Toby Petersen fetish look tame. Nurse should have been sent down at the AS game and his minutes before that were bizarre as well.

#FreeYakupov……yeah only a fortnight more torment for a kid who deserved none of the BS thrown his way. Feel sorry for him being drafted by such a daft org.I would be at the head of the line trying to pry him out of EDM on the cheap if I was a GM as there is tremendous offensive upside there. The kid has warts but none of them are in the skill, effort or passion for the game categories. I have a pretty good idea why this went down the way it did and it’s not going to change. Just trade him and let me enjoy cheering for him elsewhere like Dubnyk and Petry.

G Money

Ryan,

I get that Purcell and possibly Eberle are being pumped. That’s not what baffles me.

I would try Yak at any wing position in the Top 6 before I’d play Pak, Letestu, Korpikoski, Lander at those positions.

Anything else is full batshit crazy.

This org is not afraid to go full batshit crazy.

You never go full batshit crazy.

AsiaOil,

I fear DarkAsia may be getting closer to returning!

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On a more cheery (for me) note, I’m sitting up late at night on a ‘school night’ because I’m inching closer to the next version of my scripts that will produce the full zillion-column data spreads for every player, and the team.

Closer to duplicating WOI functionality in other words!

Sometimes I get grumpy and wonder why the f**k I bother doing this stuff to run it on such a crappy team. I mean, I can just imagine how much better these graphs and tables would look if they were being run on Chicago or LA or WSH data.

AsiaOil

Yeah it’s getting a bit baffling isn’t it G? Maybe Kevin Lowe is some sort of hockey zombie that infects anyone in the org as they all start doing ISS (incredible stupid shit) within months of joining the organization. I’ve been getting progressively less happy with TMac since Christmas. His overuse of many guys (Korpse, Letestu, Pak, Shultz). TMacs love affair with Letestu makes MacTs Toby Petersen fetish look tame. Nurse should have been sent down at the AS game and his minutes before that were bizarre as well.

#FreeYakupov……yeah only a fortnight more torment for a kid who deserved none of the BS thrown his way. Feel sorry for him being drafted by such a daft org. I would be at the head of the line trying to pry him out of EDM on the cheap if I was a GM as there is tremendous offensive upside there. The kid has warts but none of them are in the skill, effort or passion for the game categories. I have a pretty good idea why this went down the way it did and it’s not going to change. Just trade him and let me enjoy cheering for him elsewhere like Dubnyk and Petry.

Professor Q

I really don’t get this line of thinking.

“Let’s wait until players play well. Then trade them!”

Wait…don’t good teams have them play well, and keep them playing well, to play well for their team and help their team do well?

kooler

BONVIE,

Unfortunately that’s the pairings coaching staff thinks make the most sense.

LadiesloveSmid

Maybe you just play Eberle with McDavid for 30 games to pump him and spark Snow’s interest. Yak meshed with McD. Not going to sink top gold coin trade asset in Eberle with Letestu.

Is McDavid-Yak with Hamonic helping out on the back end better than McD-Eberle?

unrelated: can’t wait for Schultz to be gone to see what Clendening can do, think he needs a fair shake on this tire fire. maybe he’s useful next year

Ryan

G Money,

Where would you play Yakupov?

Purcell’s exiting stage left, first in line, so it makes sense to keep him in a top six role. With half his salary retained and an expiring contract, a deal should be imminent that brings back a draft pick. Playing him with Letestu would amount to an anti-showcase.

Eberle is on a six-million dollar contract, struggled to start the season, and a decent bet to bring back a good defenseman during the offseason.

Once Purcell’s spot opens up, you might be able to move him into a top six role. Until then, there’s no upside to bumping either Purcell or Eberle.

I don’t think this is a case for a conspiracy theory. Nail Yakupov is not that good of a hockey player. The Oilers brain trust bet incorrectly that Lander was a 3rd line center, RNH is injured, so there are no viable options.

By the time we trade Purcell, RNH will be returning and unfortunately there still won’t be room for Yakupov to play with a good centre unless they try to create three scoring lines.

You could play Yakupov with McDavid, maybe Yak goes on a bit of a run, but I doubt the needle on his trade value moves much.

G Money

Johnny skid: watching korpikoski and letestu on the power play while yak playing fourth line is a little puzzling to me.

Yes.

Korpikoski has been a bad player for two straight years now, and this year there is a legitimate argument to be made that he is THE single worst player in the league.

That Yak is a flawed player still needing to work on many parts of his game is understood.

Any evidence of reason in his handling disappears when you consider ice time and roles given to him, Blackholikoski, Pakarinen (who I like but he has NO top 6 characteristics in his game, not one, and still isn’t yet even a particularly good bottom 6 forward), and now Lander, who’s fallen off a cliff on both halves of the ice.

Baffling and bizarre.

How to we explain the personnel decisions of this team over the last umpteen years?

Maybe they need to check Kingsway for mold.

Johnny skid

G Money: I’d have to say that the braintrust appears to have decided that Yak IS a fatally flawed player.

Same braintrust I’d guess that decided Jultz was Norris-worthy and Petry wasn’t worth $4M.

Seems once this group decides something, all evidence to the contrary must be wrong (if it’s even considered at all).

Mind you, that’s no different from many fans.

But we’re not relying on those fans to make decisions to pull this team out of a decade long stint in the sewer.

Time to #FreeYakupov from this poisoned well.

The rest of us meanwhile, wait.At the bottom of that well.Breathing the same poisonous fumes we’ve been breathing the last decade.Hoping Chia brings us oxygen and a rope ladder (not yet convinced he won’t – but then I have to admit, I’m no longer convinced he will either…)

watching korpikoski and letestu on the power play while yak playing fourth line is a little puzzling to me.

BONVIE

kooler:
A lot of talk of Yak being shipped out ahead of Eberle, but I’m confused as to why he’s not why being show cased to drive the price up instead they his Pt/game is running done to nothing….which usually gets you something close to nothing.

Both Yak and Eberle have paired well with Mcdavid…I think most players will. Dave Lumley had a consecutive goal streak of 12 thanks to Gretzky….it’s going to happen.I think Yak could stay if paired with the right centre, so is

a Mcdavid/Yak + RNH/Eberle pairing vs a Mcdavid/Eberle + Letestu/Yak pairing that much better?

Thats like asking was there much difference in Kurri/Habschied vs Kurri/Gretzky yes one pair is clearly better. Your practically comparing the worst center in the entire league that is playing regularly with a top 30 center, no thats not obvious.

G Money

Lowetide: The thing I find weird is this: Yakupov is a flawed player, but not fatally so. What is the disconnect here? Is it a language barrier? Cultural? I do not have the answer, but good teams get performance from flawed players.

I’d have to say that the braintrust appears to have decided that Yak IS a fatally flawed player.

Same braintrust I’d guess that decided Jultz was Norris-worthy and Petry wasn’t worth $4M.

Seems once this group decides something, all evidence to the contrary must be wrong (if it’s even considered at all).

Mind you, that’s no different from many fans.

But we’re not relying on those fans to make decisions to pull this team out of a decade long stint in the sewer.

Time to #FreeYakupov from this poisoned well.

The rest of us meanwhile, wait. At the bottom of that well. Breathing the same poisonous fumes we’ve been breathing the last decade. Hoping Chia brings us oxygen and a rope ladder (not yet convinced he won’t – but then I have to admit, I’m no longer convinced he will either…)

kooler

A lot of talk of Yak being shipped out ahead of Eberle, but I’m confused as to why he’s not why being show cased to drive the price up instead they his Pt/game is running done to nothing….which usually gets you something close to nothing.

Both Yak and Eberle have paired well with Mcdavid…I think most players will. Dave Lumley had a consecutive goal streak of 12 thanks to Gretzky….it’s going to happen. I think Yak could stay if paired with the right centre, so is

a Mcdavid/Yak + RNH/Eberle pairing vs a Mcdavid/Eberle + Letestu/Yak pairing that much better?

Bruce McCurdy

square_wheels:
Zelepukin,

Couldn’t agree more, he’s got the one thing you can’t teach a Dman.

Calm head, solid tools and that extra Mississippi of patience you just can’t teach.

That’s three things. Just saying.

stevezie

leadfarmer,

He has his warts and may nit be worth the money but you are incredibly dismissive of his being one of the best scoring D in the league

murphy

HeatTreaterJoe,

It matters so much who they get for that one spot. If its hamonic they cant have fayne and gryba as well, not enough offense there. If they get a vatanen or shattenkirk then fayne is fine to stick around.

If they do get a hamonic type i see fayne going for a big F with a big contract. If that happens we need a second RHD. What about franson? Not fitting in great in buffalo and is still the same player he was last summer. He could bring the offense we need and acquistion cost shouldnt be high.

kinger_OIL

HeatTreaterJoe,

No:

Sek-xxx
Klef-xxx
Davidson-Fayne

That’s whats needed to start the year: with Griff/Nurse fighting to get on the roster.

AsiaOil

A playoff team would probably look like this:

Klef xxx
Sekera xxx
Davidson/Nurse/Reinhart Gryba/Fayne

With the xxx being legit first and second pair RHD. Davidson is found money but he should not start the year in the top 4. Injuries will force that during the year at some point but you don’t want to start there. Enough of guys playing over their head.

Bottom line is something has to happen with the 3rd pair LHD. They all need that slot and all need to play.

MrEd:
Sek-xxx
Klef-xxx
Davidson-xxx

Is this where we’re at?

MrEd

HeatTreaterJoe,

I agree completely.

Use LD depth to fill the roster.

Fayne and Gryba should be retained.

DRFNsuperstar

http://oilersnation.com/2016/2/15/nail-yakupov-shouldn-t-be-playing-with-mark-letestu

That is a good article, why the coaches like Korpikoski and not Yak blows my mind.

Hendricks-Letestu-Pak
Kassian-Lander-Yak

Please let Chia be able to package Korpikoski with Schultz and get a return of anything.

HT Joe

MrEd:
Sek-xxx
Klef-xxx
Davidson-xxx

Is this where we’re at?

FWIW, I’m looking at the following as a MINIMUM:

Sek-Fayne
Klef-xxx
Davidson-Gryba

But here’s the caveat… Fayne cannot be the best RD on the team if this team is going to make a playoff push. I would put Fayne as the second pairing RD, except he has looked okay with Sek but not so good with Klef (sorry… no numbers to back up this assertion).

Maybe it would be easier if I put it like this instead:

Klef-xxx
Sek-Fayne
Davidson-Gryba

One top-pairing RD (without trading away any of Sek/Klef/Davidson) and a healthy Klef could potentially get the Oilers to the playoffs next year.

We wait.

Ryan

leadfarmer: What’s your read on Demers.What’s he like as a D man.I don’t watch him play much, and playing with Thornton screws advanced stats like crazy.Not many players are in the +80s +90s range and he does it routinely.

Like yourself, I don’t watch him much ever either.

My sense is that he seems like at least a well-rounded 3/4 dman.

His possession stats and EV scoring look pretty impressive, but he doesn’t get a big toi push–usually 4rth at evens, 3rd pp option, and 4rth or later for Pk.

While he’s younger, I think there’s separation favoring Goligoski.

By the numbers overall, he looks a lot like klefbom (allowing for team effects) with less toi.

leadfarmer

DRFNsuperstar,

Defensemen development is so voodoo that we really have Klefbom and Sekera as top 4 d. If one of them gets injured you have this year repeat itself next year. You can’t count on Nurse or Reinhart being ready. Davidson is a good fill in for a 4 but would rather have him as a 5 given being a lefty

leadfarmer

stevezie:
Ryan,

I take your point but you under state that Yandle is an ultramega better version of Schultz, so much better that comparing them is silly.

Not plan A, but this team could really, really use Yandle. I don’t know how you can scoff at that offence .

You take one look at his offense and then look at what he gives up going the other way and realize you are really playing 4 forwards and one d. His points will make him expensive but he gets his teeth kicked in in his own end.

Oilspill

square_wheels:
DRFNsuperstar,

UFA’s are in for a rude awakening this year with the cap holding at this years #.

e.

Unless you are a PP or PK specialist and a right handed Dman on a good contract who can play a shutdown role when it really counts..the playoffs. Gryba is 95% gone because he won’t get what he’s worth in Edmonton with the redundancy here. He’s all round better than Fayne and will get near McQuaid/Stoner money. I just don’t know why they are playing him so much.

slopitch

Mr DeBakey: Do you have Nurse ahead of Davidson and Gryba?
He’s not you know.
He’s an AHLer.
Reinhart too.
The Oilers need better than that if they don’t want to piss away another year of McDavid’s ELC.

1) Arguing #4 vs #5 can be a mute point. It could depend on positional strengths or deployment.
2) Remember how Draisatl looked like a lost AHL player last year? Much like how Nurse does this year? I believe in Nurse and think he’ll flourish next year once he has 100 games under his belt. He will have a year more maturity/development and most importantly coverage from having better defenders on the roster. Note in my post I have the Oilers hypothetically adding a #1 and Klefbom to the roster next year.
3) I like Davidson plenty.

MrEd

Sek-xxx
Klef-xxx
Davidson-xxx

Is this where we’re at?

DRFNsuperstar

leadfarmer: So how are you fixing that defense.I wouldn’t want to pay him 7.6 mil but if would sign a 6.5 mil a year contract he would be worth every penny. You could trade a lefty for a righty in the future.

Chia could potentially see the “whole” team for 11 games. If Nuge and Klefbom are back by about March 8th. At that point you see what you have. Then make a trade. After that its development. Karlsson, Weber, Subban, Shattenkirk, Brodie weren’t scouted to be #1 D but they developed into them. Defence development is almost as voodoo as goalies. On that note, the more I look at those guys development I would put Nurse and Reinhart to finish the season and go on a playoff run with LB.

slopitch

kinger_OIL,

kinger_OIL:
slopitch,

– This team isn’t a playoff team next year if you have Nurse (or Davidson) pencilled in, and counted on as your#4, unless your #1 is a true #1D stud @ 28mins/gm, and we aren’t going to get one..

– On a playoff team, 2 of Nurse/Griff/Davidson need to be 5/6/7, ideally partnered with a vet > Fayne, combined withsome specific time in the minors, as all three are still on their ELC

I think this team can make the playoffs next year with a number 1 added to the roster and a healthy Klefbom. That’s 2 top pairing D added since Klef missed most of the year. Add back a health(ier) Nuge/McDavid/Eberle and yes I think its possible.

stevezie

Ryan,

I take your point but you under state that Yandle is an ultramega better version of Schultz, so much better that comparing them is silly.

Not plan A, but this team could really, really use Yandle. I don’t know how you can scoff at that offence .

leadfarmer

Ryan: Well, from the list of UFA’s there’s at least Demers and Gogo who can provide real help.

The Oilers blue needs a significant upgrade for next season unless they want to corner the market on exciting last place hockey and lottery picks for the foreseeable future.

I would say that we need two top four dman for next season.

i don’t think we can trade for two without spending too much in assets, so you really have to grab a useful UFA.

What’s your read on Demers. What’s he like as a D man. I don’t watch him play much, and playing with Thornton screws advanced stats like crazy. Not many players are in the +80s +90s range and he does it routinely. Like at age 22 Demers was + 121 in the high danger scoring chance battle. Like what are you to do with numbers like that.

Ryan

DRFNsuperstar:
PS. It may be cheating but I suck at math so I love using Hero Charts.

Weber is sort of the old gold standard of a number one dman around here.

http://public.tableau.com/shared/NYJKTNFMR?:display_count=yes

Lately, more so Doughty.

http://public.tableau.com/shared/YCYBBRFRH?:display_count=no

Either way, Goligoski doesn’t look like a number 3 on the warrior charts.

leadfarmer

square_wheels:
DRFNsuperstar,

I could see Goligoski getting Buff $$ from someone based on his offence, but it damn well better not be the Oilers.

So how are you fixing that defense. I wouldn’t want to pay him 7.6 mil but if would sign a 6.5 mil a year contract he would be worth every penny. You could trade a lefty for a righty in the future.