BOB GREEN’S WHITEBOARD

by Lowetide

Bob Green’s official title with the Edmonton Oilers is Director of Player Personnel, a wide-ranging role that (according to the website) involves many areas of the game. Today, I am most interested in this passage of the job description:

  • Oversee the Edmonton Oilers scouting operations as well as continue to identify and recruit NCAA, CHL and European free agents and develop a free agent priority list.

Interesting. We have already seen a lot of Green’s work, he is responsible for men like Jordan Oesterle, Josh Winquist and others being in the system. Edmonton’s AHL team next year is going to be a team in transition, as the club moves away from the failed draft picks and (I assume) signs college and graduating juniors to both NHL and AHL contracts. Here are some candidates to keep in mind who have a general or specific association with the team at this time:

  • L Josh Winquist. He has been on an AHL contract for two seasons now, may have earned an NHL deal this summer. Although he has been injured much of the season (knee), the numbers (16, 7-9-16) suggest he may have a future.
  • C Josh Currie. Won AHL contract in January, has played well (33, 4-6-10) in a two-way role in Bakersfield.
  • C-L Marco Roy. Former second-round selection has an AHL deal (28, 5-3-8) and is finding his way.
  • F Roman Horak. A damn good player, no indication he is coming back.

Green will have to decide if any of these men are viable NHL prospects and worthy of a big league deal. If not, perhaps they will be retained for another season on an AHL deal. At the same time, Green will probably be looking for some of those CHL and NCAA free agents who can step right in next year. I spoke to Guy Flaming of the Pipeline Show recently and he provided some interesting names (previously mentioned here):

  • LW Dryden Hunt, Moose Jaw Warriors. A strong skater having a terrific year, he is 15-8-23 in his last 10 WHL games. He is 6.01, 201 and would be a fantastic get in an area of need.
  • C Reid Gardiner, Prince Albert Raiders. This is a pretty good player, surprised he wasn’t drafted last summer. He is 5.11, 195, and 6-6-12 in his last 10 games.
  • F Drake Caggiula, University of North Dakota. Another terrific scorer (23GP, 15-15-30), he has good speed and a range of skills. 5.10, 180.
  • D Troy Stecher, University of North Dakota. Righthanded blue with all kinds of offense (28GP, 5-14-19) and he is an excellent skater. 5.10, 190.
  • R Nick Betz, Erie Otters. This player comes via Brock Otten and his excellent OHL Prospects site, and Betz is a big power winger with average speed. What makes him interesting is size (6.04, 220) and offense (47GP, 15-24-39) that appears to be attached to net-front presence. Source

The Oilers are going to need to sign some kids, both NHL and AHL deals. Why? Well part of the issue comes from expiring deals they may not want to renew:

  • UFA: Teddy Purcell, Eric Gryba, Nikita Nikitin, Rob Klinkhammer, Brad Hunt, Andrew Miller, Ryan Hamilton. (7)
  • RFA: Iiro Pakarinen, Zack Kassian, Justin Schultz, Brandon Davidson, Adam Clendening, Laurent Brossoit, Anders Nilsson, Luke Gazdic, Tyler Pitlick, Martin Gernat, Jordan Oesterle, David Musil, Kale Kessy. (13)

That is 20 contracts, fully 40 percent of the entire 50-man list. The Oilers have a big issue here: They should walk (or trade out of) eight of the minor league deals (Hunt, Miller, Hamilton, Gazdic, Pitlick, Gernat, Musil, Kessy). The NHL deals we will leave alone for now and revisit another time.

Edmonton does not have eight players from previous drafts worth signing. NOT CLOSE. And the best ones are, you guessed it, defensemen:

  • D William Lagesson—NCAA freshman, very good at the WJs.
  • F Tyler Vesel—Two-way college player, jury is out.
  • L Evan Campbell—He does not appear to be a future NHL player.
  • G Zach Nagelvoort—He hasn’t played much this year, never a good sign.
  • F Aidan Muir—Big forward not progressing.
  • G Miroslav Svoboda—Big goalie miles away.
  • G Keven Bouchard—QMJHL goalie, I don’t think they sign him in the spring.
  • D Ziyat Paigin—Enjoying a brilliant KHL season, signed for another year.

With that as the backdrop, what does the ideal Bob Green whiteboard (in his office) for the 16-17 Bakersfield Condors look like?

  • Goal: Laurent Brossoit, Eetu Laurikainen
  • Defense: Griffin Reinhart, David Musil, Jordan Oesterle, Joey Laleggia, Dillon Simpson, Ben Betker, TROY STECHER
  • Center: Bogdan Yakimov, Jujhar Khaira, Kyle Platzer, Marco Roy
  • Left Wing: Josh Winquist, DRYDEN HUNT, Braden Christoffer, Mitchell Moroz
  • Right Wing: Anton Slepyshev, Greg Chase, NICK BETZ

Plus the AHL veterans. It is still not close to enough, but the Oilers have traded away a lot of their draft picks and signed the worthy men from 2013 long ago. Bob Green may need a second whiteboard.

 

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meanashell11

meanashell11,

Just checked, nope. I think I will go see him play tonight against Clarkson. We also have a family friend on the team, John Hayden. Would love to see him play LW alongside McD if he does not sign with Chicago next year (although I think that is a bit unlikely given the family connection to Chicago ownership).

meanashell11

go_oil:
It’s too bad about Pitlick – thought there was a player there. Damn injuries!I think they’ll keep Musil in the system for now.

It would be nice to see more “Davidsons” come out of the development sysytem.Khaira seems to be on the cusp and I wonder if Laleggia gets a good look next season.It would be nice to see Yakimov and Slephyshev make the jump in the next couple of years.

It would be great if they could get something for Purcell, Nikitin, Klinkhammer, and Schultz.And sign Gryba, Pakarinen, Kassian, Davidson, Clendening, Brossoit, and Oesterle.

Alex Lyon looks like a great goalie to go after.

Any chance Alex Lyon is related to Tommy Lyon who was a gaolie as well a few years ago?

spoiler

HeatTreaterJoe: That’s the rub, now isn’t it.Griffin isn’t actually an Oiler (regularly).When is the last time a GM traded away a 1st round pick+ for an AHL-level player?In 2013, Cory Schneider was traded for a 1st round pick.In 2012, Jordan Stall was traded for a 1st round pick (+ players) and Varlamov was traded for a 1st (that’s not looking good now, but they got a few good years out of him… more than we’ve gotten out of Griffin so far).

So how did the Oilers manage to trade away a mid 1st round pick+ for an AHL-quality defenseman? Surely there was due diligence?

“I didn’t see him play in the American League. I know what he brings, what he brought in junior. He’s played one year of pro, he’s got some developing to do, but Griffin’s a winner.” – Bob Green

I see no option but to interpret the above quote as a very strong endorsement from the team’s director of player personnel, who apparently feels that years-old intel is a sufficient basis for an NHL trade.

This shit is making me miss MBS (and Davidson and Reider sure are adding to that).And when comparing team records, I’m starting to miss Todd Nelson.I sure hope Peter Chiarelli has a good summer, because I’m still too angry about Petry to want to miss MacT.

Kyle Turris was basically traded for a 1st and a 2nd… Rundblad and a 2nd.

He had a season in but it was by no means a spectacular one.

Reinhart is facing a numbers game–and Davidson–more than anything… I think the Oil were perfectly willing to give him a job, but ended up with better options. Reinhart is good depth to have, our biggest trouble is the injury came to the very top of the batting order.

And I don’t see that context in your post. Injuries are the biggest Oiler story of the season. We are on the verge of never seeing a healthy top half of the team for an entire season, most of it with multiple members missing. And if we do get to see any… it really will be looking through a keyhole at what the season might have been.

Defense is a big story too… but the deepest cut this year has been the injuries.

They look better. I want to see them healthy.

HT Joe

Centre of attention:
Bank Shot,

But as they say, the die were cast. Griffin is an Oiler (Condor) and we have to live with it.

That’s the rub, now isn’t it. Griffin isn’t actually an Oiler (regularly). When is the last time a GM traded away a 1st round pick+ for an AHL-level player? In 2013, Cory Schneider was traded for a 1st round pick. In 2012, Jordan Stall was traded for a 1st round pick (+ players) and Varlamov was traded for a 1st (that’s not looking good now, but they got a few good years out of him… more than we’ve gotten out of Griffin so far).

So how did the Oilers manage to trade away a mid 1st round pick+ for an AHL-quality defenseman? Surely there was due diligence?

“I didn’t see him play in the American League. I know what he brings, what he brought in junior. He’s played one year of pro, he’s got some developing to do, but Griffin’s a winner.” – Bob Green

I see no option but to interpret the above quote as a very strong endorsement from the team’s director of player personnel, who apparently feels that years-old intel is a sufficient basis for an NHL trade.

This shit is making me miss MBS (and Davidson and Reider sure are adding to that). And when comparing team records, I’m starting to miss Todd Nelson. I sure hope Peter Chiarelli has a good summer, because I’m still too angry about Petry to want to miss MacT.

Centre of attention

Bank Shot,

I know, I know.

Hind sight is 20/20 and we all knew the day the deal was made it was an over pay.

I’m not trying to crap on Griffin the player, I am crapping on Peter for trading the assets he did. I’m sure Bob Green had his hands all over it, too.

I like Barzal as he would of been a fine replacement for a guy like Eberle who in 3 years might possibly be traded for cap reasons.

But as they say, the die were cast. Griffin is an Oiler (Condor) and we have to live with it.

Bank Shot

Centre of attention: Via Elite Prospects: “Matthew Barzal is an offensive forward with very good skating abilities. Has tremendous puck-handling and is poised with the puck, while looking for the perfect pass-option using his strong vision. Owns an excellent wrist shot with a remarkable release. Barzal reads the plays well, looking for interceptions and is not afraid to block shots, playing a reliable two-way game. A complete player with strong hockey sense.”

Current boxcars in WHL:
14-15 12 Goals 45 Assists in 44 games 1.29 PPG
15-16 18 Goals 49 Assists in 44 games 1.52 PPG

He’s progressing well and should be a fine play making RW similar to Hemsky I would bet.

But I bet Bob Green saw Griffin good in the WHL playoffs 4 years ago, let me tell you…

Barzal wasn’t even the guy to take though. If we are lamenting about missing out on a forward it should be 17th pick Kyle Connor. The guy is just destroying the NCAA.

Centre of attention

Pouzar: Agreed. Not encouraging. Oesterle is eating his lunch and it ain’t close.

Via Elite Prospects: “Matthew Barzal is an offensive forward with very good skating abilities. Has tremendous puck-handling and is poised with the puck, while looking for the perfect pass-option using his strong vision. Owns an excellent wrist shot with a remarkable release. Barzal reads the plays well, looking for interceptions and is not afraid to block shots, playing a reliable two-way game. A complete player with strong hockey sense.”

Current boxcars in WHL:
14-15 12 Goals 45 Assists in 44 games 1.29 PPG
15-16 18 Goals 49 Assists in 44 games 1.52 PPG

He’s progressing well and should be a fine play making RW similar to Hemsky I would bet.

But I bet Bob Green saw Griffin good in the WHL playoffs 4 years ago, let me tell you…

Centre of attention

Can you imagine if Hall said something like this? PK has no fear.

https://twitter.com/EricEngels/status/700892621665730560/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

frjohnk

Thanks guys for the updates.

Gret99zky

Wow. Great 3rd period. Very exciting. Incredible pace.

Pouzar

3-2 Final

Pouzar

Quinlan:
Working very well thanks!

Not seeing Reinhart particularly well.

Agreed. Not encouraging. Oesterle is eating his lunch and it ain’t close.

Pouzar

Gret99zky:
I prefer this Condors PBP announcer over Quinn and/or Michaels.

This.

Quinlan

Working very well thanks!

Not seeing Reinhart particularly well.

Gret99zky

I prefer this Condors PBP announcer over Quinn and/or Michaels.

Pouzar

Condors dominating right now.

Pouzar

Miller with 10 pts now in 5 gms

Pouzar

Oesterle can play.

Pouzar

Wow what a pass by Winquist to Miller.

3-2

Gret99zky

Love the urgency of this Condors team. 3-2 Gulls

Pouzar

Condors all over Gulls now.
Timeout Dallas.

Pouzar

Nice “between leg – back hand” pass by Slepy to Pitlick.
Nice rush before that.

Pouzar

Winquist on the Breakaway.

3-1

Aron_S

Woo. Beauty breakaway goal by WInquist after a solid stop by Brossoit. 3-1 Gulls..

Aron_S

Oof. It looks like defence is optional in Bakersfield tonight. LB not helping matters with some soft play one on one. Reminding me of that unfortunate performance he had in the shootout in Edmonton.

3-0 Gulls.

Pouzar

3-0 GULLS…booooooooooooooo

Pouzar

Quinlan:
Pouzar,

Ah… was wondering.

Thanks!

Hopefully it works for ya…been flawless for me so far.

Quinlan

Pouzar,

Ah… was wondering.

Thanks!

Chachi

jp,

He only played 17 games in the ahl last year (injured for a good part of the season) but I get your point.

Pouzar

Quinlan:
Pouzar,

Where are you watching? Do you have hockeystreams?

Nope.

VLC:

http://ahl-bak.cdnllnwnl.nlss.neulioncloud.com/nlds/ahl/bak/as/live/bak_hd_2000.m3u8

Quinlan

Pouzar,

Where are you watching? Do you have hockeystreams?

Pouzar

Musil with a giveaway sending in the O’Brien in breakaway.

1-0 Gulls

Pouzar

Leggs looks 10 times better than earlier this year. Looking confident on the rush. Just got a nice slapper off.

The AHL game has really slowed down for Khaira. He is making some nice offensive zone plays right now. Just needs to re-calibrate when he gets back up to the NHL. He looks really really good.

Pouzar

Slepy knocks stick out of goalies hand with a lazer. Draws penalty after some nice zone time.

Platzer has been a scratch for 5 straight games. Like him with Slepy.

Pouzar

Pitlick is stringing together some nice games. He is leaps and bounds better with the puck on his stick right now. Making some nifty plays out there to go along with that speed. I cheer for the kid. It’s been a rough ride.

jp

Chachi:
I agree with your list of RFAs to ditch with the exception of Kessy. I know he belongs to the previous regime, but he is a Chiarelli player type.

I haven’t really seen Kessy play, but 12 Pts in his 3rd (and best) AHL season, and maxing out at 43 Pts in the WHL doesn’t inspire one bit of confidence from me.

Never say never, but I don’t see it.

jp

Lowetide:
Bakersfield Condors ‏@Condors 16s16 seconds ago

FORWARDS:
Klinkhammer – Khaira – Miller
Hamilton – Winquist – Pitlick
Slepyshev – Platzer – Ford
Gazdic – Currie – KessyBakersfield Condors ‏@Condors 36s36 seconds ago

DEFENSE:
Reinhart – Hunt
Simpson – Musil
LaLeggia – Oesterle

IN NET: The man they call LB, @LBrossoit

Man, deep Condors lineup all of a sudden.

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Lowetide,

He appears to be having a break out season too. It also might be just a mature player physically dominating his younger peers but still, his box cars this season scream potential.

GP:50 G:32 A:26

Definitely a Chiarelli player with over 50 Pims in 50 games as well.

Centre of attention

Lowetide,

Do you think the Oilers have a shot at signing Jon Martin?

Do you like the player? Big, power forward who can score in bunches. Skating issues apparently but Pelletier might be able to help him.

Centre of attention

It should be known Todd has coached both Martin’s Bronco’s and his potential suitor San Jose.

McKenzie also named Edmonton as one of the interested parties.

Go get em’ Peter!

Gret99zky

Breaking:

Woodguy said Paajarvi is coming back!

godot10

HeatTreaterJoe:
Hi Lowetide,
In your last post, you made reference to Nelson’s 2014-2015 Oilers being 10 points behind TMac’s 2015-2016 team, but that doesn’t seem fair.I thought Eakins coached the first 31 and Nelson coached the last 51 (MacT seemed to coach 2 games with Nelson looking sad in the corner, but I’m going to attribute those to Nelson to try to stick with the hard facts).

2014-2015:Games 1-31 inclusive (Eakins):7-19-5 19points (.61 pts/game)
2015-2016:Games 1-31 inclusive (TMac): 14-15-2 30 points (.97 pts/game)
~~~~~~
2014-2015:Games 32-59 inclusive (Nelson): 10-13-5 25points (.89 pts/game)
2015-2016:Games 32-59 inclusive (TMac): 8-16-4 20points (.71 pts/game)
~~~~~~
2015-2016:Games 1-59 inclusive (TMac): 22-31-6 50points (0.85 pts/game)

Whether you compare just the games in the 2015-2016 season against Nelson’s corresponding games, or if you compare their complete tenure as coaches and just look at points per game, Nelson’s record is ahead of TMac’s.

If this was already pointed out in the last thread (I didn’t get to see everything), I’m not trying to pile on.I just think that as visually chaotic as Nelson’s system seemed, TMac’s record is looking pretty bad.

MacT coached 5 games, all losses, although there might have been a Bettman point or two.

OilersFuture

Good article I was thinking about the same thing this week. If I’m a UDFA in the CHL or NCAA and the Oiler’s are interested I’d listen. There is little in the pipeline with regards to forward prospects for the Oilers. The Oil only have Muir, Campbell & Vesel as forward prospects that aren’t signed.

One name I’d like to add to the list is Jordan Maletta
6’3 215 – 54 – 29 – 20 – 49.
Otten had the following to say on his blog – http://ohlprospects.blogspot.ca/2016/01/sunday-top-10-overagers-worth-signing.html
“Maletta has become a very complete player who uses every inch of his 6’3 frame to play in all three zones. His puck protection ability has become a real asset and his wrist shot and release are pro caliber. Maletta also happens to be one of the best faceoff men in the OHL.”

I watched an Icedogs game a couple of weeks back and he was one player that caught my eye. He’s a pain in the ass player that can play in any situation.

go_oil

It’s too bad about Pitlick – thought there was a player there. Damn injuries! I think they’ll keep Musil in the system for now.

It would be nice to see more “Davidsons” come out of the development sysytem. Khaira seems to be on the cusp and I wonder if Laleggia gets a good look next season. It would be nice to see Yakimov and Slephyshev make the jump in the next couple of years.

It would be great if they could get something for Purcell, Nikitin, Klinkhammer, and Schultz. And sign Gryba, Pakarinen, Kassian, Davidson, Clendening, Brossoit, and Oesterle.

Alex Lyon looks like a great goalie to go after.

Centre of attention

So on the topic of UFA Graduating Juniors, here is a quote from McKenzies piece that I found really interesting. Article here: http://www.tsn.ca/reading-the-trade-market-tea-leaves-1.436138 (Its the last 3 paragraphs)

“Finally, this isn’t trade related news, but you may recall we talked earlier this season about the Swift Current Bronco captain and unrestricted free agent overage forward Jon Martin being courted by multiple NHL teams.
A late bloomer of sorts, the 6-foot-2, 218-pound Martin now has 34 goals and 59 points in 50 WHL games this season after scoring only 32 goals in the previous four seasons in Kootenay.
Martin is on the verge of making a decision on where he’ll eventually sign his NHL entry-level contract. Edmonton, Arizona and San Jose were believed to be the teams that showed significant interest. While nothing is likely to be made official until March, the expectation is Martin is most likely to be a Shark when all is said and done.”

Very interesting. Maybe Todd’s presence can wrestle him away from the Sharks.

Chachi

lynn,

Khaira appears to be eating Yakimov’s lunch right now. Of course the Oilers will make room for any big men who can play, especially in the bottom six.

lynn

It is my guess that Bogdan Yakimov will not return to play in Bakersfield next season. He is doing just fine in the KHL, close to his family.

HT Joe

Hi Lowetide,
In your last post, you made reference to Nelson’s 2014-2015 Oilers being 10 points behind TMac’s 2015-2016 team, but that doesn’t seem fair. I thought Eakins coached the first 31 and Nelson coached the last 51 (MacT seemed to coach 2 games with Nelson looking sad in the corner, but I’m going to attribute those to Nelson to try to stick with the hard facts).

2014-2015: Games 1-31 inclusive (Eakins): 7-19-5 19points (.61 pts/game)
2015-2016: Games 1-31 inclusive (TMac): 14-15-2 30 points (.97 pts/game)
~~~~~~
2014-2015: Games 32-59 inclusive (Nelson): 10-13-5 25points (.89 pts/game)
2015-2016: Games 32-59 inclusive (TMac): 8-16-4 20points (.71 pts/game)
~~~~~~
2015-2016: Games 1-59 inclusive (TMac): 22-31-6 50points (0.85 pts/game)

Whether you compare just the games in the 2015-2016 season against Nelson’s corresponding games, or if you compare their complete tenure as coaches and just look at points per game, Nelson’s record is ahead of TMac’s.

If this was already pointed out in the last thread (I didn’t get to see everything), I’m not trying to pile on. I just think that as visually chaotic as Nelson’s system seemed, TMac’s record is looking pretty bad.