COMBING THROUGH THE HINTERLANDS

Over the last couple of weeks, I have examined the minor leagues for possible trade acquisitions that might fit the Edmonton Oilers at the deadline, or in summer. On the weekend, I had a look at some of the names who might be available from NHL rosters while also fitting into Peter Chiarelli’s plan. This afternoon, instead of running another top 30 for the 2016 draft, I thought it might be an idea to look at each of the 30 NHL teams and examine their prospects lists outside North American pro (CHL, College, Euro pro and amateur). I will do it in two parts, beginning with this post. Will the Oilers trade for picks, prospects or young AHL players? It is an interesting question.

The AHL looks are here:

The NHL look is here:

JUNIOR, COLLEGE AND EUROPE (teams 1-15)

  • Anaheim Ducks: D Jacob Larsson is a teenager posting points (13 in 40gp) in the SHL. Good size, mobile, creative. C Julius Nattinen is a playmaking center for the Barrie Colts of the OHL (54 points in 41gp), has a range of skills. R Nick Sorensen is 21, quick, fast and brilliant—he would be an outstanding add who could help soon. He has 19 points in 33 SHL games. D Marcus Pettersson is tall, rail thin and shows two-way ability. Turns 20 in May.
  • Arizona Coyotes: C Christian Dvorak is a great skater and has terrific skill. His point total (101 in 47gp) is fantastic, and he does appear to have some ability beyond pure offense. R Conor Garland was a great pick a year ago and would be a fine trade target this coming deadline. He is skilled, has 111 points in 51 games, and despite being small, would appear to have a future.
  • Boston Bruins: G Daniel Vladar was an inspired pick last summer and is money (.921) in the USHL at this time. C Danton Heinen is a college center with skill, posting 31 points in 30 games with U. Denver. Has a great shot.
  • Buffalo Sabres: R Hudson Fasching. Throwback player who has developed nicely since being drafted. He is a big winger with some skill (33 points in 29gp). C Giorgio Estephan is a fine skill player (63 points in 51 games) who lasted way too late at the draft. C Eric Cornell is a great possession player and has posted impressive offense this year with the Peterborough Petes (70 points in 56 games).
  • Calgary Flames: C Andrew Mangiapane, who we discussed forever on this blog before draft day, is killing it (80 points in 47 games) with the Barrie Colts. D Rasmus Andersson is a smart 2-way D with some chaos in his game, progressing nicely. Almost a point per game in the OHL.
  • Carolina Hurricanes: R Lucas Wallmark, impressive skill, average speed, 21 points in 41 SHL games. C Nicolas Roy is a rugged forward with skill, 74 points in 51 games in what is a major spike in his draft +1 junior season.
  • Chicago Blackhawks: R Beau Starrett. Huge (6.05, 205) winger who works hard and wins corner battles. Not playing a lot in university (Cornell), but he fits the Chiarelli skill set. R Roy Radke. He is a 6.03 power winger whose offense (34 points in 55 games) has improved this season.
  • Colorado Avalanche: R Connor Bleackley. Gritty winger with skill, someone similar to Colby Armstrong based on resume. D Kyle Wood. Giant (6.05, 217) defender can move and has some offensive ability.
  • Columbus Blue Jackets: R Keegan Kolesar. He is a big (6.02, 217) winger who has improved offensively (57, 30-29-59) with Seattle Thunderbirds.
  • Dallas Stars: D Niklas Hansson. A raw talent when drafted, he is a talented offensive defender with all kinds of useful tools. He is 21, has 21 points in 37 SHL games.
  • Detroit Red Wings: D Vile Saarijarvi. Small, highly skilled defender is having a strong season in the OHL with Flint (47, 11-22-33). G Joren Van Pottelberghe. Giant Swedish goalie, I would put a Detroit or Nashville goalie on all procurement lists. He has been very good in international competitions.
  • Edmonton Oilers. D Ziyat Paigin. Giant Russian (6.06, 209) is having a strong KHL season (46, 9-19-28), is a legit prospect. A re-draft of 2015 would  have him much higher. D Ethan Bear. Another 2015 pick from the deep, he is posting a substantial offensive season (58, 16-41-57) and is progressing well. D Caleb Jones makes it a trio from the 2015 draft, a good skater with a range of skills, his offense (55, 9-37-46) is far better than previously reported.
  • Florida Panthers. D Ian McCoshen. He is a very nice prospect, combining size, speed and two-way ability. He has been very consistent in college. C Jayce Hawryluk. A quality offensive center who also plays a strong game without the puck. He is 5.10, 197 but plays a more complete game than a lot of the smaller forwards mentioned here.
  • Los Angeles Kings. D Erik Cernak. Big defender, reports have him as a wrecking crew who can move. L Austin Wagner is a speedy winger who can score, having a nice year with the Regina Pats.
  • Minnesota Wild. C Joel Eriksson-Ek. Impressive C, complete range of skills with offensive ability. He is 36, 8-6-14 in the SHL this year. D Carson Soucy is from tiny Irma AB (about two hours south of Edmonton), he is 6.04, 210 and can skate. Attending Minnesota-Duluth and have a decent junior season.

Final 15 on Wednesday.

 

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  1. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Having watched a ton of WHL hockey this year, I am comfortable reporting the following on Jayce Hawryluk, over and above his ability: He might very well be the most effective pest in the WHL. I’d say he is by a long shot.

  2. Mr DeBakey says:

    Buffalo Sabres….. C Giorgio Estephan is a fine skill player (63 points in 51 games) who lasted way too late at the draft

    I had him penciled for the Oilers 86th pick.
    Of course, they didn’t keep that pick
    But 152nd? Sheesh.

    Los Angeles Kings. D Erik Cernak. Big defender, reports have him as a wrecking crew who can move.

    Just think if the Oilers would’ve had a pick early in the 2nd round – before the 43rd.
    Damn.
    Oh well maybe this year a big, mobile RHD will be available early in the 2nd.

  3. Truth says:

    Here’s to hoping Caleb turns out to be the best of the Jones’

  4. square_wheels says:

    Mr DeBakey,

    so we can develop and trade him for magic beans !!

    there you go bringing up Petry again

    slamsfingersindoorscreamsfuckyouMacT

  5. Younger Oil says:

    While Benning is concussed we should probably offer him Purcell in exchange for Horvat and/or Virtanen.

  6. Stelio Kontos says:

    Truth:
    Here’s to hoping Caleb turns out to be the best of the Jones’

    So let me get this straight, Popeye is 6’8, Seth is 6’4 and Caleb is 6’nuthin. What are they eating in that house?

  7. Younger Oil says:

    Don’t know if this has been posted, but some people in the past have shown interest in this story.

    http://www.tsn.ca/bankrupt-nhler-in-fight-with-parents-over-family-home-1.441730

    I feel so bad for the guy. His parents are scum.

  8. G Money says:

    Hey, in the previous thread, there were some WOWY data requests, yes?

    I’m running STL (will post viz for Shattenkirk and Pietrangelo) and ANA (will post viz for Vatanen).

    Already posted to Twitter the link for NYI data, and the viz for Hamonic (http://i.imgur.com/o83R1Ql.png).

    Any other team/player of interest?

  9. JDï™ says:

    Some great comments from Thoroughly Meaty Ogre Coach:

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=4&id=943172

  10. kinger_OIL says:

    – Great write-up LT! Picks or prospects, sequence of events is package up combo of proceeds from Purcell, Jultz etc, with other roster players to get the right mix, plus gather cash for (R)/FA’s

    – The lack of “tips” from either management or MSM is encouraging: Chia is running a tight ship.

    – A really big trade would be welcomed, so LT can write-up a combo sail-on and analysis, and we your faithful readers can argue the merits of the players coming in.

    – I’ve never understood why the “bottom-feeders”, don’t trade amongst themselves more: ie. OIL to Columbus: “OK we both have big problems, what’s a hockey trade to make both of us better?”

  11. G Money says:

    Question: is there a definitive NHL handedness database out there somewhere?

    As in player X shoots left/right?

  12. Centre of attention says:

    G Money:
    Question: is there a definitive NHL handedness database out there somewhere?

    As in player X shoots left/right?

    I always use elite prospects for guys who are not full time NHL players yet.

    Other than that I use hockeydb

  13. Lowetide says:

    G Money:
    Question: is there a definitive NHL handedness database out there somewhere?

    As in player X shoots left/right?

    Just ask Woodguy. He knows them off by heart.

  14. JDï™ says:

    G Money,

    I have a friend who can close his eyes and see almost any player that he has watched play – including guys from all the leagues he’s played in, from NCAA through to the beer leagues, and tell you what hand they shoot, their skating style, and what kind of helmet they wore. It’s spooky.

  15. Melman says:

    JDï™,

    Interesting bits at the end: sounds like TMc likes the Nuge on his roster and that we’ll be seeing Klef in April or Sept. 🙁

  16. rickithebear says:

    G mom:

    Your memory is short.

    The biggest advocate for balls was LT:

    He liked Rob Volman,s balls.

    He pushed them.

    He held them in high regard.

    Most remember the first time we saw Robs balls.

    Some grabbed them sooner than others.

  17. Hockey Buddha says:

    Lowetide, Thanks for keeping the candle burning on this team. Love your articles! Consistently, the best analysis of the Oilers anywhere, that I’m aware of, for the past decade. You’ve created a hockey-wise community here. It’s a pleasure.

  18. JDï™ says:

    rickithebear,

    Thanks RTB. The spit-take with red wine looks great on my work notepad.

  19. JDï™ says:


    KHL News – English
    ‏@KHLNewsEN

    Update on the Kovalchuk situation: LifeNews is reporting that Kovalchuk was sent back to St. Petersburg for violation of team rules.

  20. Lowetide says:

    rickithebear:
    G mom:

    Your memory is short.

    The biggest advocate for balls was LT:

    He liked Rob Volman,s balls.

    He pushed them.

    He held them in high regard.

    Most remember the first time we saw Robs balls.

    Some grabbed them sooner than others.

    Blue balls are the best.

  21. rickithebear says:

    Younger Oil:
    While Benning is concussed we should probably offer him Purcell in exchange for Horvat and/or Virtanen.

    As we know Gaudreau gets the shit kicked out of him facing first comp.

    Granlund is 22 years old.
    His ev g pace is 11 to 12 even goals.
    His ev g per gm pace is better than h. Sedin.

    Facing 2nd 3 Rd comp with hurdler/Gaudreau he is 2.01 Evp/60

    Facing 1st comp with Bouma / Jones he is 2.34 EVP/60

  22. flyfish1168 says:

    rickithebear: As we know Gaudreau gets the shit kicked out of him facing first comp.

    Granlund is 22 years old.
    His ev g pace is 11 to 12 even goals.
    His ev g per gm pace is better than h. Sedin.

    Facing 2nd 3 Rd comp with hurdler/Gaudreau he is 2.01 Evp/60

    Facing 1st comp with Bouma / Jones he is 2.34 EVP/60

    johy yahoo is asking for Tarasenko level money

  23. Centre of attention says:

    Eric Engels ‏@EricEngels 2m2 minutes ago
    It’s been that kinda night. Spoke with a member of another team’s management on the phone; Montreal’s Lars Eller is on the market.

    LT called this one from about 10 miles away.

  24. GCW_69 says:

    Younger Oil:
    While Benning is concussed we should probably offer him Purcell in exchange for Horvat and/or Virtanen.

    I hear that Virtanen kid had been a disappointment. Maybe they would take Schultz for him since they were looking for a defender in the Hunter S deal.

  25. Centre of attention says:

    Centre of attention:
    Eric Engels ‏@EricEngels2m2 minutes ago
    It’s been that kinda night. Spoke with a member of another team’s management on the phone; Montreal’s Lars Eller is on the market.

    LT called this one from about 10 miles away.

    *begins watching the rest of MTL game to scout Eller*

  26. JDï™ says:

    Centre of attention: *begins watching the rest of MTL game to scout Eller*

    *only plays well against junior teams*

  27. JDï™ says:

    Lowetide: Blue balls are the best.

    Said no man, ever.

  28. Lowetide says:

    Centre of attention:
    Eric Engels ‏@EricEngels2m2 minutes ago
    It’s been that kinda night. Spoke with a member of another team’s management on the phone; Montreal’s Lars Eller is on the market.

    LT called this one from about 10 miles away.

    I liked it but didn’t post it originally. The earliest mention on this blog (that I can find) is via Pouzar:

    Pouzar says: (Edit)
    December 27, 2015 at 4:16 pm

    Ok…last one………..promise.

    Michael Grosso ‏@RumorBreak 1m1 minute ago
    Major names are being tossed around between Oilers and Habs. Yakupov, Kassian, Scrivens, Eller, and Barberio have been mentioned per source.

    https://lowetide.ca/2015/12/27/g37-2015-16-oilers-at-flames/comment-page-1/#comments

    I mentioned Eller in previous seasons, but not this one, before Mr. Grosso tweeted and our man Pouzar posted. Credit where due.

  29. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: Just ask Woodguy. He knows them off by heart.

    Do you want me to turn this car around mister?

  30. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: Do you want me to turn this car around mister?

    Hahahaha. Hahahahahaahaa.

  31. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear:
    G mom:

    Your memory is short.

    The biggest advocate for balls was LT:

    He liked Rob Volman,s balls.

    He pushed them.

    He held them in high regard.

    Most remember the first time we saw Robs balls.

    Some grabbed them sooner than others.

    Some balls are held for charity
    And some for fancy dress
    But when they’re held for pleasure
    They’re the balls that I like best
    My balls are always bouncing
    To the left and to the right
    It’s my belief that my big balls
    Should be held every night

  32. JDï™ says:

    Say everybody have you seen my balls
    They’re big and salty and brown
    If you ever need a quick pick me up
    Just stick my balls in your mouth

  33. G Money says:

    Hmmm, Rickiballs, Loweballs, Woodballs, Just Do Balls, and Fish Balls have really dropped the ball … s … with this thread.

  34. Pouzar says:

    JDï™:

    KHL News – English
    ‏@KHLNewsEN


    Update on the Kovalchuk situation: LifeNews is reporting that Kovalchuk was sent back to St. Petersburg for violation of team rules.

    Meh…WG says we don’t need anymore left shot dmen.

    Last one I swear!?

  35. LoDog says:

    G Money:
    Question: is there a definitive NHL handedness database out there somewhere?

    As in player X shoots left/right?

    If nhl.com can be trusted…

    173 Lh d have played at least one game thia year. 104 Righties.

    Games played and more is all there. Would be nice to know the number of “quality” players in each group.

  36. Pouzar says:

    Lowetide: I liked it but didn’t post it originally. The earliest mention on this blog (that I can find) is via Pouzar:

    Pouzar says:(Edit)
    December 27, 2015 at 4:16 pm

    Ok…last one………..promise.

    Michael Grosso ‏@RumorBreak 1m1 minute ago
    Major names are being tossed around between Oilers and Habs. Yakupov, Kassian, Scrivens, Eller, and Barberio have been mentioned per source.

    https://lowetide.ca/2015/12/27/g37-2015-16-oilers-at-flames/comment-page-1/#comments

    I mentioned Eller in previous seasons, but not this one, before Mr. Grosso tweeted and our man Pouzar posted. Credit where due.

    Lol thx…I haven’t posted any of his rumours since but he does seem to know something. He’s got some stuff out there today as well.

  37. Centre of attention says:

    Rishaug said on the radio today that he thinks some contenders are thinking “its not a deep draft” and some late firsts could be in play for rentals.

    If Chiarelli gets a first for Purcell I forgive him for Rienhart.

  38. Unwashed Oilfan says:

    G Money,

    Hey don’t forget about me….. unwashed balls 😉

  39. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy: Some balls are held for charity
    And some for fancy dress
    But when they’re held for pleasure
    They’re the balls that I like best
    My balls are always bouncing
    To the left and to the right
    It’s my belief that my big balls
    Should be held every night

    Drunk Neighbors wives listening to acdc in the afternoon.
    Missed 35 of 100 school days each term. All three years of high school.

    My wife is aware of my past.
    Her classic line.
    You know they are either dead or in their 80,s

  40. stevezie says:

    Pouzar: Meh…WG says we don’t need anymore left shot dmen.

    Last one I swear!

    Well sure, he’s already got the opening night lineup full of ’em.

  41. flyfish1168 says:

    G Money:
    Hmmm, Rickiballs, Loweballs, Woodballs, Just Do Balls, and Fish Balls have really dropped the ball … s … with this thread.

    Moneyball

  42. G Money says:

    Unwashed Oilfan,

    Oh … no. No no no no no!!!

  43. G Money says:

    flyfish1168,

    LOL, that sorta works, doesn’t it! Better than “G Balls” too.

  44. G Money says:

    LoDog: If nhl.com can be trusted…

    173 Lh d have played at least one game thia year. 104 Righties.

    Games played and more is all there. Would be nice to know the number of “quality” players in each group.

    Thanks! NHL.com was literally the *last* place I would have looked!

    Sad, that.

    Now to figure which of those sources I can scrape.

    Also! WOWYs for
    Vatanen http://i.imgur.com/5sAyoQS.png
    Shattenkirk http://i.imgur.com/9R4953x.png

    (more sensible y limits to better show differentiation)

  45. JDï™ says:

    Elliotte Friedman Verified account
    ‏@FriedgeHNIC

    MON announces Tom Gilbert out for the year. Knee surgery.

  46. rickithebear says:

    LT:

    Only thing worse than blue balls.
    For a married man is going to bed angry with your wife.
    Thinking you slammed the fight.

    “Nair on the balls”

  47. The Trade Guy says:

    Rickibear cutting class leaning on his transam flicking cigarettes at nerds.

    Then become a nerd.

  48. square_wheels says:

    G Money,

    Carolina for old Square-Balls !!

  49. JDï™ says:

    rickithebear: “Nair on the balls”

    So smooooooth.

  50. Woodguy says:

    G Money: Thanks! NHL.com was literally the *last* place I would have looked!

    Sad, that.

    Now to figure which of those sources I can scrape.

    Also!WOWYs for
    Vatanen http://i.imgur.com/5sAyoQS.png
    Shattenkirk http://i.imgur.com/9R4953x.png

    (more sensible y limits to better show differentiation)

    Interesting, thanks G.

    Vantanen seems to be a bit of a DFF drag.

    Suprised Gunnarsson didn’t make the cut as a Shattenkirk line mate as he’s only played 1 minutes less with him than Paryko

  51. flyfish1168 says:

    the song for this tread ACDC- Big Balls

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W-fIn2QZgg

    Thanks WG

  52. Psyche says:

    “No one can resist my Schweddy balls…”

    http://youtu.be/DxeO-4lIpL8

  53. Psyche says:

    JDï™,

    That was crazy funny!! Thanks for the laugh.

  54. G Money says:

    Woodguy,

    Yeah, I think Vatanen has real value as a designated QB/shot guy on the 2 pair, but you need a guy like Ham on ice first.

    1 minute gap from 10th to 11th eh?

  55. G Money says:

    square_wheels,

    Any specific players, or you want the data file?

  56. supernova says:

    G Money: Thanks! NHL.com was literally the *last* place I would have looked!

    Sad, that.

    Now to figure which of those sources I can scrape.

    Also!WOWYs for
    Vatanen http://i.imgur.com/5sAyoQS.png
    Shattenkirk http://i.imgur.com/9R4953x.png

    (more sensible y limits to better show differentiation)

    Trying to find the source but I have read before that approximately 64 % of draft eligible players are left hand shots regardless of player position.

    If I find the source I will tweet it to you

  57. fifthcartel says:

    Andrew McDowell ‏@corduroy828 11h11 hours ago
    @StapeNewsday what is your prediction on when/if/where Hammer gets traded? #isles

    Arthur StapleVerified account
    ‏@StapeNewsday
    @corduroy828 Maybe summer, maybe never. Maybe Edmonton. Winnipeg seems unlikely

    https://twitter.com/StapeNewsday/status/701819526179061760

  58. JDï™ says:

    fifthcartel,

    So… you’re saying there’s a chance?

  59. Gerta Rauss says:

    JDï™:
    Some great comments from Thoroughly Meaty Ogre Coach:

    I thought the question from Matty was interesting:
    How are you seeing Darnell lately…has he hit the wall a bit..?

    McLellan gave a lengthy answer that I’m not going to transcribe but the gist was
    Is it ideal..? I don’t think so. But that’s what we have right now

    So I think that McLellan sees what we see, and if he had more/better options he’d deploy his
    troops differently, but he doesn’t have a lot of options so we are here.

    That’s how I read his comment anyway

    Balls to the wall
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_3TlrZLpQ0

  60. kinger_OIL says:

    Gerta Rauss,

    – Yes – I thought his “its not ideal” comment was very telling and refreshing

    – Do some Griff/Nurse shuffle rotation. They have to figure out what Griff could be for next season

    – Also coach said “Davidson could be very very good in 3-4 years” Indeed, which is why one might consider trading a Nurse now for Harmonic, as an example…

  61. supernova says:

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/globe-on-hockey/canadians-shoot-left-americans-shoot-right/article4307181/?service=mobile

    This was one of the articles I was thinking of.

    I had read an update on this but for some reason I think it was from one of our bloggers that had to take their sites down when getting hired.

    Anyhow 65% is what Mirtle has left handers to Righties.

  62. rickithebear says:

    The Trade Guy:
    Rickibear cutting class leaning on his transam flicking cigarettes at nerds.

    Then become a nerd.

    Video arts and chess club.
    72 dart to 69 cuda.
    Friend in video arts club became tech director at Banff school fine arts.

  63. LoDog says:

    G Money,

    Thanks for all your great work, awesome stuff.

    Nhl.com actually seems to have some pretty decent easily sortable stats since the new hires. How easy it is to grab I do not know

  64. AsiaOil says:

    The Trade Guy:
    Rickibear cutting class leaning on his transam flicking cigarettes at nerds.

    Then become a nerd.

    Ricki had the cuda but I had the sd455 – damn I miss that car – engine damn near twisted off the mounts when you punched it and never did find out how fast it went. Chickened out at 145 with another 1000 rpm left on the clock. You got butt flicks right though 🙂

  65. RexLibris says:

    JDï™:
    Only one way out of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgsK5H1Ndaw

    I haven’t laughed that hard in a while.

    Thanks.

    Made me think of two things:

    1. Wonder if that bird sounds like Bruce (we love you, Bruce) watching the refs these last few games.

    2. When I saw Ken Brown’s Life After Hockey live years and years (and years) ago. Specifically, the locker room scene after a loss. I think I lost count on the F-bombs at around 30 or more. If I ever saw that again I’d have to wear a truss and a catheter because I likely would bust a gut and wet myself laughing so hard.

  66. verite says:

    kinger_OIL,

    Do it asap.
    Lets not repeat the agony of the Gagner/Schultz experience.
    Cut losses quickly.
    Foist him on the competition, get a functional defenseman in return

  67. Bruce McCurdy says:

    RexLibris: I haven’t laughed that hard in a while.

    Thanks.

    Made me think of two things:

    1. Wonder if that bird sounds like Bruce (we love you, Bruce) watching the refs these last few games.

    2. When I saw Ken Brown’s Life After Hockey live years and years (and years) ago. Specifically, the locker room scene after a loss. I think I lost count on the F-bombs at around 30 or more. If I ever saw that again I’d have to wear a truss and a catheter because I likely would bust a gut and wet myself laughing so hard.

    Fucking bird was clearly listening to me & mimicking me behind my back. Bastard.

  68. RexLibris says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Fucking bird was clearly listening to me & mimicking me behind my back. Bastard.

    Well, we both know you picked up that kind of language listening to LT watch MA Bergeron backcheck his man into Roloson.

  69. Lowetide says:

    RexLibris: Well, we both know you picked up that kind of language listening to LT watch MA Bergeron backcheck his man into Roloson.

    Aw man. Everything after the Pronger PS was evil, but that was the worst.

  70. pocession charge says:

    JDï™:
    Only one way out of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgsK5H1Ndaw

    Holy shit that was funny. Thanks for that.

  71. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: Aw man. Everything after the Pronger PS was evil, but that was the worst.

    Was it? I mean, we followed that up with Souray, Nylander, the Come To Edmonton DVD, the Please Play For Us trip to Heatley’s house in Kelowna, the public spat between Lowe and Burke over Penner’s offer sheet, before we even move on to trying to send Lombardi an injured player and being compared to Bernie Madoff.

    And that was before we even got to MacTavish and Lowe doing their two-tier fans/know a thing or two about winning comedy duo.

    Jesus.

    Now that I think of it I’m not sure if I want to laugh or start throwing things.

    This league owes the Oilers every one of those 1st overall picks for all the hours of entertainment they’ve offered up over the past ten years.

  72. frjohnk says:

    When I looked at LT’s list of prospects for the Oilers in his list from above, I couldn’t help but notice the 4D picked after 100.

    Caleb Jones 4th round 117th
    WHL 59 GP 9 G 37 A 46 PTS

    Ethan Bear 5th round 124th
    WHL 58 GP 16 G 41 A 57 PTS

    John Marino 6th round 154th
    USHL 40 GP 3 G 17 A 20 PTS

    Ziyat Paigin 7th round 209th
    KHL 38 GP 9G 18 A 27 PTS

    That is a phenomenal draft +1 for all these guys.

    Now it is still early days, but if one or more of these guys are going to make it as an NHL defenseman, the steps they have taken this year have increased their chances.

    As crazy as it sounds, if this summer, the Oilers add two top 4 Dman without using any of the major assets on the blue, defense depth from the majors down to prospects could be a strength.

  73. Professor Q says:

    RexLibris: Was it? I mean, we followed that up with Souray, Nylander, the Come To Edmonton DVD, the Please Play For Us trip to Heatley’s house in Kelowna, the public spat between Lowe and Burke over Penner’s offer sheet, before we even move on to trying to send Lombardi an injured player and being compared to Bernie Madoff.

    And that was before we even got to MacTavish and Lowe doing their two-tier fans/know a thing or two about winning comedy duo.

    Jesus.

    Now that I think of it I’m not sure if I want to laugh or start throwing things.

    This league owes the Oilers every one of those 1st overall picks for all the hours of entertainment they’ve offered up over the past ten years.

    There were also the Smyth debacle and the Jagr signing possibility.

    Edmonton didn’t offer 2 years, only offering 1, and scared him off to the KHL!

  74. G Money says:

    *** NERD ALERT ***

    For you late nighters.

    https://oilersnerdalert.wordpress.com/2016/02/23/ive-got-dangerous-fenwick-wowy-visualizations/

    Where I explain what the hell those charts I’ve been publishing mean, and also show the charts for every Oiler player.

    Korpi’s chart is rated PG-13.

  75. Bruce McCurdy says:

    RexLibris,

    Remember when LT finally traded Smid in a glorious 3-for-1 & that son of a bitch Heatley went & ruined it? The only way Dany could have ruined it worse (he added snarkily) was to accept the trade & come play here. But really folks, how much worse could it have actually been?

    Same goes for the Vanek fiasco for that matter, which only woulda cost four 1st round picks (subsequently: Myers, Paajarvi, Hall, RNH) not to mention $50 MM. Egads what a mess.

    But at least we were successful in acquiring Nik Khabibulin, Cam Barker, Niki Nikitin & Jerred Smithson’s faceoff ability in the playoffs. Siiiiiiiigh.

  76. square_wheels says:

    G Money,

    Faulk, Hanifin, Pesce and maybe throw Lyles in for the book end of suckage. Staal brothers and Skinner.

  77. PhrankLee says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    RexLibris,

    Remember when LT finally traded Smid in aglorious 3-for-1 & that son of a bitch Heatley went & ruined it? The only way Dany could have ruined it worse (he added snarkily) was to accept the trade & come play here. But really folks, how much worse could it have actually been?

    Same goes for the Vanek fiasco for that matter, which only woulda cost four 1st round picks (subsequently: Myers, Paajarvi, Hall, RNH) not to mention $50 MM. Egads what a mess.

    But at least we were successful in acquiring Nik Khabibulin, Cam Barker, Niki Nikitin & Jerred Smithson’s faceoff ability in the playoffs. Siiiiiiiigh.

    And people say the Gords are against us.

    Saved from themselves a few times as you point out.

    Sheesh.

  78. russ99 says:

    Ugh, that Jack Johnson bankruptcy battle with this parents is rearing its ugly head again.

    Poor guy.

  79. GCW_69 says:

    frjohnk:
    When I looked at LT’s list of prospects for the Oilers in his list from above, I couldn’t help but notice the 4D picked after 100.

    Caleb Jones 4th round 117th
    WHL 59 GP 9 G 37 A 46 PTS

    Ethan Bear 5th round 124th
    WHL 58 GP 16 G 41 A 57 PTS

    John Marino 6th round 154th
    USHL 40 GP 3 G 17 A 20 PTS

    Ziyat Paigin 7th round 209th
    KHL 38 GP 9G 18 A 27 PTS

    That is a phenomenal draft +1 for all these guys.

    Now it is still early days, but if one or more of these guys are going to make it as an NHL defenseman, the steps they have taken this year have increased their chances.

    As crazy as it sounds, if this summer, the Oilers add two top 4 Dman without using any of the major assets on the blue, defense depth from the majors down to prospects could be a strength.

    2010 draft says hello. Be optimistic, but cautiously so.

  80. Water Fire says:

    G Money:
    *** NERD ALERT ***

    For you late nighters.

    https://oilersnerdalert.wordpress.com/2016/02/23/ive-got-dangerous-fenwick-wowy-visualizations/

    Where I explain what the hell those charts I’ve been publishing mean, and also show the charts for every Oiler player.

    Korpi’s chart is rated PG-13.

    Great charts G. A question, how is it possible to for Korpse to be better without all of his most common team mates? What is the interpretation of that? Nuge had a fair bit as well.

  81. OF17 says:

    Andrew Shaw might be a good offseason addition. Probably wants around $3 million, which means Chicago can’t keep him. Plays mostly top-6 wing for them with PP time, and despite his size, his style is definitely Chiarelli’s preferred. Throw him with Hall and Draisaitl to score 30+ points, be a pest, and fill in at center when there are injuries. Problem is he’s never killed penalties, so that part of his game is a black box.

    Part of it is the player, and part of it is the idea of bringing in part of Chicago’s leadership core. We have the Halls and McDavids at the top of the order for leadership, but aside from Matt Hendricks, it’s not something the 6s and 7s have in spades. Plus I wonder if the Stanley Cup factor doesn’t matter more for team cohesion than we like to admit. The idea of saying as a player, “Okay, we’re going to win the Cup,” and then looking around and seeing that no one in the room has done that before is much more daunting than having some that have. If I’m not mistaken, Ference is the only Oiler that has. You see teams like Washington going after Orpik, Williams, and Richards and looking like much more of a mature team, and the two are probably at least a little connected.

  82. G Money says:

    Water Fire,

    Good question, Water!

    So think of it this way:

    1 – the red dots (Korpi’s teammates without Korpi) can all be above Korpi’s dots, because he basically drags everyone into the sewer with him

    2 – however, the interplay between Korpi without teammate (green) and Korpi with teammate (black) is a little more complicated. When you look at it mathematically, it’s a zero sum game. If Korpi only ever plays with two teammates, you can see this happening:

    Player A – 50% without Korpse, some number lower than that (call it X) with Korpse
    Player B – 50% without Korpse, some number lower than that (call it Y) with Korpse

    Suppose Korpse’s average DFF is 40%.

    What constraint does that put on X and Y? The answer is that they must average to 40%.

    So you could see one of two things happening:
    X is 40%, Y is 40%. What you see visually is the red dot at 50%, and both the black dot and green dot at 40% on both Player A and Player B

    OR

    X is more than 40%. If that’s the case, then Y must be less than 40%! It’s not necessarily symmetric, because it’s weighted by TOI, but after accounting for TOI, it has to average to 40%. Visually, one green dot will be above the black, the other will have the black dot above the green.

    But in all cases, the red-brown dot will be above the rest.

    So you’ll always see that interplay between the green and black dots, where approximately half of them will be above, and half of them will be below.

    The real value in that is where there’s a big separation, it shows you players where there is real chemistry (e.g. Hall and Klefbom) or real lack of chemistry (e.g. Poo and Klefbom).

    It doesn’t tell you *why*, only that there’s an effect there that you have to account for. (That’s true of most fancystats really)

    Clear as mud?

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