G61 2015-16 SENATORS AT OILERS

In the final days of the Justin Schultz era, we are talking about what went wrong. I think we all agree 19 was thrust into the deep end—too much minutes—too soon, and he never did develop because of it. Schultz was a workhorse rookie, but the Oilers learned from it:

ROOKIE D, ICE TIME PER GAME (RANK)

  • 2012-13 Justin Schultz 21:26 per game (No. 3)
  • 2014-15 Oscar Klefbom 21:59 per game (No. 1)
  • 2015-16 Darnell Nurse 20:45 per game (No. 1)

In putting Schultz (and now Nurse) into a major role out of the box, it forces development (or regression). Klefbom is a different case, as Craig MacTavish (correctly) kept him in the minors for most of his 20-year old season (Oscar was 21 in 2014-15).

WHEATFIELD SOUL, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in October 2014: 4-5-1
  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-8-0
  • Oilers in November 2014: 2-9-3
  • Oilers in November 2015: 4-7-2
  • Oilers in December 2014: 2-8-4
  • Oilers in December 2015: 7-6-1
  • Oilers in January 2015: 5-7-1
  • Oilers in January 2016: 4-5-2
  • Oilers in February 2015: 5-6-1
  • Oilers in February 2016: 3-6-1
  • Oilers after 60 in 2014-15: 17-33-10, 44 points (-65 GD)
  • Oilers after 60 in 2015-16: 22-32-6, 50 points (-33 GD)

The one thing fans had to hold on to this season was the Goddams, but the Oilers have been flagging badly in that area in the last few weeks. Last year’s Oilers lost a 2-1 game to the Anaheim Ducks, Iiro Pakarinen had five shots in that game.

DEFENSE, 2015-16

OILERS DEFENSE OVER SEASON

  • Brandon Davidson is one of three (Klefbom-Davidson-Nurse) lefties drafted by the Oilers who I can see playing a massive amount next season. You never know, prospects don’t develop in a straight line, but I have a feeling Brandon Davidson is going to play a bigger role than Nurse (or Griffin Reinhart, who will probably be the first recall—if the bonus worry doesn’t scare management away).
  • Andrej Sekera and Mark Fayne would appear to be the incumbents RH side, although I still think we could see Eric Gryba signed. A lot of what happens this week (Fayne trade, Gryba signing?) will inform the summer.
  • We do know Justin Schultz will not return.
  • Darnell Nurse has gone from being the golden boy to trade bait in his time in the NHL. I think he will be just fine, but honestly wonder if the Oilers have any idea about the history of running these guys ragged as rookies. In case anyone wonders, this is NOT the way Montreal handled Larry Robinson (he was in the AHL for year one and part of year two pro). If you are losing faith in Darnell Nurse, perhaps a quick look through NHL history will help. Playing NHL defense at 20 is a very difficult thing to do, and it is doubly difficult when your coach runs you out there for 20:45 a game.
  • Griffin Reinhart next to Nurse in the graph above is interesting. What is the gap? Where is Nurse clearly better? Interestingly, high-danger scoring chances seems to be a strength for Nurse. I don’t think Darnell is going to be a major point-producer in the NHL (say, 25-35 points a year), but he is a much better bet than Reinhart in that area based on NHLEs. A lot of the value from both men is going to be defensive (should they develop into useful NHL players).
  • You may chase me down with pitchforks by noon, but sending down Nurse and recalling Reinhart might do both men a world of good. Oilers are not chasing anything important now, and getting Nurse back on track as a prospect is very important.

CENTERS, 2015-16

oilers centers over season

  • Connor McDavid’s On-Ice scoring chance per 60 is spiking in a maniacal fashion. He was 27.21 on the night of his return Feb 2, 2016. He was also 2.72/60 5×5; 5.00/60 5×4; had 10 high-danger scoring chances and was 51.59 Corsi for 5×5, 4.85 CorsiRel. Up in all areas since he returned. Lordy.
  • Leon Draisaitl has changed the way we think about next season and beyond, with a stunning 50-game run through the heart of the season. IF the Oilers move Nuge, they sure as hell better find a veteran 3C who can lift heavy things.
  • Ryan Nugent-Hopkins may or may not be in play. The rumors have been going on for some time now, suspect if anything happens it will be summer. Still, there seem to be hints dropping everywhere, and Nuge isn’t going to be 3C. IF they trade him? A lot of teams would value him highly, including Anaheim, Carolina, Columbus, Montreal, New Jersey, Ottawa, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Vancouver, Winnipeg. He would fetch a nice defenseman, but I will miss modern Keon a lot if he goes.
  • Can PC run McDavid—Draisaitl—Eller—Letestu—Khaira? Yes. It costs $13,369,000 in cap for those five men. I would keep Nuge, run Leon on RW and trade the pick.

WINGERS, 2015-16

oil forwards over season

  • Hall—Eberle look to have made it through the rumors, Hall with his incredible ability to push the river and Eberle with those magic hands. They could be the only remnants of their cluster soon, should PC trade Nuge and keep Leon, Darnell, etc from the McDavid cluster.
  • Benoit Pouliot is a quality NHL winger, Teddy Purcell is too. I don’t know that either is going to be here in the fall.

GOAT’S HEAD SOUP

The greatest rock and roll band ever is the Rolling Stones, and they were at their peak from 1968 (Beggar’s Banquet) through Goats Head Soup in 1973 (Jimmy Miller was in on all of them). The key to the golden age of the Stones is a guy named Mick Taylor who I won’t bore you with, but he was brilliant and his touch is all over their best music.

Anyway, the Stones were rolling through so much great music in the early 1970s it seemed it would never end. The men who recorded those albums had a special sound, it is glorious. After Taylor left, it was pretty obvious (by Black & Blue for sure) something was missing. They were still the Stones, but no longer THE Stones.

Along about 1981, a Stones song hit my radio and blew me away. It was called ‘Waiting on a Friend’ and it was the best song they had put out in a long damned time. I loved it, from the simple guitar line launch to the fat saxophone that sends the song away. Beautiful. The song had its origins with the Mick Taylor Stones back in the Goat’s Head Soup era. The band loved the song, but couldn’t find the lyrics, so they could not unlock the song until years later. I never knew that (seriously) until recently, but I always kind of knew it. You know? It was too good to be Ron Wood Stones, had to be from the mainline.

I think Nail Yakupov is ‘Waiting on a Friend’ in that he and the Oilers cannot find the words. I don’t think Nail’s story ends with him playing 15 seasons in the KHL, but rather in another NHL city where he finds success. If the trade comes this week, I think we are all ready for it, probably better than waiting for summer.

FRIEDMAN ON THE REDDIT

I don’t go on Reddit (my daughter has been there, she likes it, so maybe it is for the young folks?) but Friedman is a helluva get for the company (is it a company? or a band of gypsies?). Anyway, the line about Edmonton having one major move? I will guess Nuge to somewhere for a good, expensive defenseman.

Who might be coming to Edmonton, for Nuge or another? I will guess Sami Vatanen (ANA), Dougie Hamilton (CGY), Brent Seabrook (CHI), Travis Hamonic (NYI), Jacob Trouba (WPG—would have to be a bigger, multi-player deal). I doubt it happens, but if Friedman is saying it, I trust there is something out there.

TRADE VALUES

Frank Seravalli of TSN set trade values for various rentals, has Purcell (2nd) and Schultz (3rd) covered in this article. Those assessments match mine, here is my list (I put Gryba back on the list, but he is injured and his being dealt seems doubtful):

  1. RW Teddy Purcell—He is gone, suspect we will see a second-round pick (or a legit prospect).
  2. F Matt Hendricks—Chiarelli is unlikely to trade Hendricks, but there is always a chance an offer changes his mind. I recall someone mentioning there was significant interest last deadline. Second-round pick.
  3. D Mark Fayne—A bit tricky, for two reasons. He is helping now, so the Oilers could use him for the first 60 games next year and shop him at the deadline. Call it righty blue insurance. Return? Second-round pick if the Oilers retain salary (defensemen are always worth more at the deadline).
  4. D Justin Schultz—He is gone if they can find a taker, I think they will. Third-round pick.
  5. D Eric Gryba—I think they will sign him unless a team offers up full value (and his being injured is a major development). He should fetch a fourth-round selection, about what he cost the Oilers.
  6. L Lauri Korpikoski—Perhaps Chiarelli can save Todd McLellan from himself. If he can trade Korpikoski, Chiarelli is a mad genius. Fifth-round pick obo.
  7. C Anton Lander—New addition because I refuse to let Gryba ruin trade deadlinemas. A team needing a very inexpensive forward as insurance might have the time. Sixth-round pick.

TOP 10 OILERS TRADE TARGETS

Aside from the draft picks, there are some nice players who could be available, either AHL prospects or NHL role players who could help in the coming seasons. Here is my top 10:

  1. D Travis Hamonic, New York Islanders. I cannot create a scenario where Garth Snow makes him available at the deadline, but will list him because he is a perfect fit for Edmonton.
  2. D Sami Vatanen, Anaheim Ducks. Similar to Hamonic in that this would probably be a summer deal, but if the Ducks need a scoring forward for their SC run, this could happen soon.
  3. D Dougie Hamilton, Calgary Flames. Last year’s big trade between the Bruins and Flames reportedly curtailed an offer sheet, but Chiarelli may still be interested. Edmonton has the assets to get this trade done if it is there—including cap relief.
  4. D Brandon Montour, Anaheim Ducks. Enjoying a fantastic AHL season, he is a puck-moving defender and a power-play wizard.
  5. C Mark McNeill, Chicago Blackhawks. Righty two-way center who has toiled in the minors for three seasons, Edmonton might like him as the new Anton Lander.
  6. R Jiri Sekac, Chicago Blackhawks. Young enough (23) to grow with this group, he has impressive skills and enough experience to be a sure plug and play.
  7. L Austin Wagner, Regina Pats. Edmonton’s skill forward list below the NHL level is very poor, adding a junior scorer like Wagner makes tremendous sense.
  8. R Henrik Samuelsson, Arizona Coyotes. Former Edmonton Oil Kings star has struggled in pro hockey, but has a pretty substantial skill set.
  9. R Beau Starrett, Chicago Blackhawks. A big (6.05, 205) forward with quick hands (via Red Line Report) and that is what Chiarelli is chasing.
  10. R Justin Auger, Los Angeles Kings. A giant (6.07, 229) on skates, this 21-year old would be exactly the kind of player Peter Chiarelli is looking to add (48, 11-10-21 in the AHL this season).

FARM WORKERS

The Oesterle recall further empties the bench for the Oilers, what is left? I always find the best way to track these minor league chaps is to post what they have been doing since January 1. Here is the list:

  1. C Andrew Miller 18, 6-12-18
  2. C Jujhar Khaira 15, 5-9-14
  3. L Rob Klinkhammer 11, 9-4-13
  4. D Jordan Oesterle 20, 2-11-13 (recalled)
  5. R Tyler Pitlick 16, 4-8-12
  6. L Ryan Hamilton 20, 7-5-12
  7. L Josh Winquist 10, 5-6-11
  8. LD Joey Laleggia 15, 4-7-11
  9. LD Brad Hunt 11, 2-5-7
  10. LD Dillon Simpson 19, 1-5-6
  11. L Anton Slepyshev 9, 3-1-4
  12. D David Musil 20, 0-4-4
  13. L Luke Gazdic 8, 1-2-3
  14. D Griffin Reinhart 15, 1-2-3
  15. G Laurent Brossoit 27, 2.72 .920 (over the season)

Who would I like to see? Jujhar Khaira looks like he could be a useful role player, I would like Todd McLellan to see Tyler Pitlick before they cut him loose, David Musil needs a look before the waiver issue in the fall. I am curious about Anton Slepyshev, so wouldn’t mind seeing him here for the final 20 games. As mentioned above, if Reinhart and Nurse trade places, that is probably a positive long term for the organization.

GARRIOCH

Bruce Garrioch has a column up about Ottawa possibly trading Shane Prince and Patrick Wiercioch, plus Tampa Bay shopping Erik Condra. I like all three at some level, but Condra ($1.25M, two years left) is an excellent penalty killer and possession player. Article is here.

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LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

As the deadline nears, more trade talk on the Lowdown, 10 this morning on TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Jonathan Willis, Cult of Hockey. Oilers at the deadline, do they make that big trade?
  • Don Landry, CFL.ca. CFL free agency was a whirlwind, are the lesser teams any closer to the powerhouse clubs?
  • Lyle Richardson, Spector’s Hockey. Trade deadline rumors, and is the activity this year (based on rumors) heavier?

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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  1. Gret99zky says:

    I personally don’t care about the losing at this point in another lost season.

    But get McDavid and Nurse the hell away from it.

    Pressbox them or send them down.

    Get them the fuck away from losing every damn night.

    The stink doesn’t wash off.

    It’s embedded.

  2. Centre of attention says:

    Seriously guys. Todds post-game is the goods. You think your mad at the Oilers? This is Todd’s first time experiencing this. He looked absolutely floored.

    Look at his face when he says “Maybe we get rid of some players” Tell me that man doesn’t want to make the Oilers better.

    Reading the tea leaves of his post-game presser you can tell he is being forced to play Schultz until at least the deadline. He’s not happy about it, either.

  3. verite says:

    Chachi,

    Edmonton media is as gutless as Schultz!

  4. CrazyCoach says:

    hunter1909: Those darned fans ruin everything.

    Not the Tier One fans!

  5. Centre of attention says:

    Assist on the #Oilers goal was changed from McDavid to Pouliot. It has since been switched back to McDavid, his 28th point,

    Nobody takes points from Connor!

  6. CrazyCoach says:

    G Money: Thanks Coach! You mean it’s not all Hall’s fault he couldn’t win the game by himself?!?
    (still famous? )

    Everyone gets on the guy because he’s seemingly a puckhog, but the reality is he wants to win and will do anything for the W.

    I wish Orval Tessier was still around to talk about heart transplants.

    Oh goodness, I’d hate to see this team without Hall and McDavid.

  7. Zelepukin says:

    My untouchables at this point:

    Hall
    McD
    Nuge
    Drai
    Klef
    Davidson
    Talbot (only because finding any goaltender worth a damn for more than 5 games, is next to impossible)
    ———-

    Nurse I’m probably 70-30 on having him as an untouchable. Right now all his mistakes are given a free pass because he is so green. The problem is that his minutes are ridiculous and you’d think after this many games, we’d start to see a reduction in some of the more Jultz plays. His 2nd year is going to be crucial.

    Everyone else, I could care less about. I was a big Yak fan, I was a big Ebs fan, but man, these are not rookie players. You’ve been in the league for awhile now. Your mistakes are videotaped every fucking game. How do you not improve?

  8. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Centre of attention,

    That was a gooder. There was more than a little disdain for Fayne in there as well but oh ya that was some cold shit right there.

  9. G Money says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    The DangerFenwicks are absolutely horrendous for Schultz/Seks, with Schultz the worse of the two.

    The other four, including Fayne, actually looked like they had a decent game.

    The final rink maps tell a hell of a story.

    http://i.imgur.com/WkuZV4I.png
    http://i.imgur.com/CycoFTd.png
    http://i.imgur.com/IhTQfKY.png

  10. Gret99zky says:

    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
    Centre of attention,

    That was a gooder. There was more than a little disdain for Fayne in there as well but oh ya that was some cold shit right there.

    Link?

    Can’t find it.

  11. smellyglove says:

    Not going to rip on Schultz, although it would be easy to.

    He led the D in icetime again, tonight. Can anyone explain why?

    1) Showcase (more like shitcase)?
    2) Think he can be unlocked?
    3) MacT has power
    4) TMac is deluded

    What?

  12. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    CrazyCoach: Everyone gets on the guy because he’s seemingly a puckhog, but the reality is he wants to win and will do anything for the W.

    I wish Orval Tessier was still around to talk about heart transplants.

    Oh goodness, I’d hate to see this team without Hall and McDavid.

    Boston traded Phil Kessel who statistically has been better than Hall throughout his career and they won a Cup. Pretty sure a lot of people here wouldn’t trade Hall for Kessel even from 5 years ago. How does that make sense?

  13. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Gret99zky,

    Centre of attention:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ownzn65q53s&feature=youtu.be

    Live post-game

    G Money,

    Don’t doubt they had a decent game (eye test confirmed), TMac was specifically mentioning the 2nd goal against, I should have mentioned that in my previous post on Fayne

  14. Clay says:

    Centre of attention:

    Reading the tea leaves of his post-game presser you can tell he is being forced to play Schultz until at least the deadline. He’s not happy about it, either.

    This is my thought exactly.

    McT is a proven, smart hockey mind. If you, me, and the baker see how bad Schultz is, he does too (and Chiarelli).

    The sad truth is that you hurt his trade value more by scratching him than by letting him embarrass himself every night on the ice.

    As soon as another GM can point and say “he’s not even good enough to crack the top 6 on the worst team in the league” you’re screwed in negotiations.

    That’s why I love the coach’s verbal. If you listen, he’s telling you everything.

  15. Clay says:

    G Money:
    SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

    The DangerFenwicks are absolutely horrendous for Schultz/Seks, with Schultz the worse of the two.

    The other four, including Fayne, actually looked like they had a decent game.

    The final rink maps tell a hell of a story.

    http://i.imgur.com/WkuZV4I.png
    http://i.imgur.com/CycoFTd.png
    http://i.imgur.com/IhTQfKY.png

    Jesus.

  16. Centre of attention says:

    theScore NHL ‏@theScoreNHL 19s20 seconds ago
    Oilers’ coach McLellan: ‘Maybe we have to get rid of some’ players

    The die have been cast.

  17. Halfwise says:

    smellyglove:
    Not going to rip on Schultz, although it would be easy to.

    He led the D in icetime again, tonight. Can anyone explain why?

    1) Showcase (more like shitcase)?
    2) Think he can be unlocked?
    3) MacT has power
    4) TMac is deluded

    What?

    Is it possible that when Jultz chose Edmonton he got some sort of promise of guaranteed ice time? Katz gave him his word?

    It is a bafflement, otherwise.

  18. Gret99zky says:

    Centre of attention:
    theScore NHL ‏@theScoreNHL19s20 seconds ago
    Oilers’ coach McLellan: ‘Maybe we have to get rid of some’ players

    The die have been cast.

    Drop the maybe, Todd. Drop the maybe.

  19. CrazyCoach says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes: Pretty sure a lot of people here wouldn’t trade Hall for Kessel even from 5 years ago. How does that make sense?

    Would never trade Hall.

    I`m talking about heart transplants for some of his team mates.

  20. smellyglove says:

    Halfwise: Is it possible that when Jultz chose Edmonton he got some sort of promise of guaranteed ice time? Katz gave him his word?

    It is a bafflement, otherwise.

    Halfwise,

    There can be no legal option, right?

  21. G Money says:

    The shot data …

    https://oilersnerdalert.wordpress.com/2016/02/23/g61-2016-02-23-oilers-vs-eastern-bstrds-shot-and-distance-data/

    Goddamn, that was actually a decent game from two pairings.

    Calling Seksy Jultz a tire fire is an insult to tire fires.

    This may be a game where we can really see how having a guy high in the D pairings like Klef being out of the lineup really hurts.

  22. who says:

    Couple of observations from tonight. 1) Justin Shultz- Specter is right. No NHL scout is going to recommend picking up Shultz, even for a 7th rounder. I finally figured it out, he is Jordan Eberle cast as a defenseman. Seriously, he will still be here after the deadline and then they need to release him or move him to right wing. Maybe he replaces Purcell when he gets traded. 2) Yak and Kass- thought Kass looked good tonight, Yak not so much. Kass can move for a big man and seems to have a pretty good set of hands. Would be nice to see him get a pass in full flight once in a while. Yak holds onto it too long. Kept thinking if you put Nuge between them you might have a pretty good offensive line. Letestu is a black hole offensively. They also don’t get a lot of ice time because neither plays special teams. 3) Deadline deals- need to move Purcell and Hendricks. Don’t think Shulz, Korp or Letestu are tradeable. Shed as much 4th line salary as you can.
    4) Quote of the night- Playing Shultz on defense is like playing a guy at linebacker who doesn’t like to tackle.

  23. Zelepukin says:

    smellyglove: Halfwise,

    There can be no legal option, right?

    I would not put it past MacT to have signed a contract that stipulates Schultz must receive X # of TOI.

  24. Unwashed Oilfan says:

    Well LT, you can probably dust off the ole “Sail On Bucky Badger” post you’ve been sitting on. Please please please use the MacT mouth agape shocked photo in the article. Please. And maybe some Oklahoma above view boob as a final send off of Jultz’ career high points.

  25. StixMalone says:

    A friend called me early this afternoon and asked if I would like to go to the game? I being the sucker that I am said yes. I had a feeling it would be a stellar Oiler performance. Yep I shoulda lied and said I was busy tonite! What a terrible performance. Can’t wait for the trade deadline to come and go. Maybe the players will ease up and relax and just play. This showcasing of players is killing the team. Nobody wants Shultz so bench his ass. How can Toronto get rid of so much salary and we do nothing? If Chia pet holds to his words I will be ecstatic but I can’t wait for summer it’s too far away. Show me something now no matter how small just show me something! I would love to have Shultz waived because maybe he can do something in the minors hey if Klink can go on a scoring tear maybe so can jultzy boy. I am really concerned that 19 might just make it past the deadline. Of course I hate just picking on him but tonite he just stank but he wasn’t the only one. Now a short pacific road trip this month will be atrocious and demoralizing even further. This team has hit rock bottom again and can’t go any deeper or can they?…….

  26. stush18 says:

    Now I know we typically stay away from rumours, and my cousins friends sister stories…

    But my friend was at the game tonight, and he gets to hang around with the players beforehand. Mentioned yak and ebs signed autographs and were real nice.

    He just left (he said 15 min) and said ebs and hall drive the same truck. They were out of the rink at the same time as my friend, but he couldn’t tell who it was that got out that quickly.

    I would say hall is pissed at the shitty team. But he lives and likely drives with mcdavid, so unlikely he got Connor out that quickly?

    Anyways, just seems strange after a shitkicking like this that either hall or ebs got out of the rink faster than most fans.

  27. Gret99zky says:

    Todd clearly frustrated by the lack of heart, push-back, passion from his players.

    He is only now discovering what many fans have known for many seasons–there in no other team in the NHL who is more accustomed and comfortable losing hockey games than the Edmonton Oilers.

    It’s totally accepted. No big deal at all. Just part and parcel. Ingrained.

    Get used of it Todd. Or get Chia to make some changes. Massive changes.

  28. G Money says:

    For writing my game notes, I need to just have an e-sticky note on my screen with all the synonyms for horrifying:

    appalling, disgusting, dismal, sickening, terrifying, ghastly, horrid, miserable.

    Enough? Maybe.

  29. Centre of attention says:

    I understand that Todd is being asked by management to showcase Schultz in a feature role, you can confirm that pretty much with his post-game comments but I have one problem with this situation.

    My question to Chiarelli is what are you expecting from Schultz? That he is going to play better leading all Oilers in ice time? Why not shave down his minutes and play him 3rd pair with Cherry zone starts. Get him in a good situation and pump him up a bit. Jesus christ its like torture for both the player and the fan base. He was being booed and he lead the team in ice time. Just get him out of here.

    You are doing yourself no favors as an organization putting Jultz in a position to fail.

    This team entire organization needs an exorcism, all the staff even the janitors and skate sharpeners. Especially the guy who looks after the sticks. Holy water for all. do something

  30. vinotintazo says:

    Gotta stop watching these performaces, my wifey gets home, and I’m grumpy, then she gets mad at me… she’s prob right.

  31. Chachi says:

    G Money:
    For writing my game notes, I need to just have an e-sticky note on my screen with all the synonyms for horrifying:

    appalling, disgusting, dismal, sickening, terrifying, ghastly, horrid, miserable.

    Enough? Maybe.

    … putrid, crappy, Schultzian…

  32. Kitchener says:

    Paging Hunter1909. What percentage of fine folks are out of the running on this season’s point total pool? (https://lowetide.ca/2015/10/05/manic-monday/)

    Assuming a maximum of 50 points + 21 games left = 92 points, I’m guessing that a few summer bulls are starting to fall out of mathematical contention.

    The next week promises to be ugly. A month or two ago I thought the Oil were through with ugly.

  33. Moose says:

    There’s some crazy on here tonight. Really, Schultz has a guaranteed minutes clause??? And what happens if that clause is violated? The Oilers are in breach and he asks to be traded?? Oooohhh. Or his contract is voided? Oooohhhh.

    Gimme a break. Everyone is tired and angry.

  34. G Money says:

    Kitchener,

    I fear Bank Shot’s scenario.

    Klef comes back. Nuge comes back.

    The team has a solid finish to the season playing against a bunch of tankers.

    And the management goes, “oh, these guys are OK after all.”

    Some will think I’m Pollyanna-ish in my expectations for those two guys, but just look at the individual results for all players tonight, and then imagine Klefbom pushing Schultz off the roster, and Nuge pushing Korpikoski off the roster. Make those two substitutes tonight and this is a different game.

    In fact, even if the two healthy scratches were in, Clen for Schultz and Lander for Korpse, it’s a better game IMO.

    Reminder: Oesterle/Davidson gave up ONE EV SHOT when on the ice tonight. Check the rink maps I posted above. That’s the game right there.

  35. Halfwise says:

    Moose:
    There’s some crazy on here tonight. Really, Schultz has a guaranteed minutes clause??? And what happens if that clause is violated? The Oilers are in breach and he asks to be traded?? Oooohhh. Or his contract is voided? Oooohhhh.

    Gimme a break. Everyone is tired and angry.

    I asked the question because there was no rational reason why he should get those minutes while posting those results, night after night, coach after coach, season after frigging season.

    And the penalty for the Oiler brass who signed such a clause and then breached it would be humiliation amongst the rest of the league.

    This is blog, Mr. Ungulate. We get to spitball here. It’s a thing.

  36. Centre of attention says:

    G Money,

    What if Schultz doesn’t get traded, Klefbom comes back and drags Schultz into being semi-useful again.

    This would be the most Oiler thing to do. Its not what I would do, but we wait.

  37. G Money says:

    Moose,

    Is it possible you’re an actual Moose?

    It would be awesome to add to Ricki (who I’m certain is an actual bear) and Vertigo (who I have on good authority is an actual parakeet).

  38. Gret99zky says:

    I guessed 84pts in the Hunter1909 pool of death.

    I figured around 20pts (10 more wins) after last year’s nearly record setting shit show was reasonable given new management, coach, and of course, the Chosen One.

    Way off. Boy do I feel like the fucking asshole.

    Next year, no matter what the changes, I’m guessing in the 60’s.

    Hope is dead.

  39. G Money says:

    Centre of attention,

    This is true. Klef is the only D with the speed and strength and defensive savvy to cover for Schultz (Seksy has the defensive savvy, but not quite enough speed and strength), and they have good numbers together.

    So the TRUE worst case scenario is that they can’t trade Schultz, get Klef back, the two look good together, and they not only don’t add some good players, but they decide Schultz is also really good and qualify him at $4M.

    That would be the most Oilersy thing ever.

  40. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    Centre of attention:
    G Money,

    What if Schultz doesn’t get traded, Klefbom comes back and drags Schultz into being semi-useful again.

    This would be the most Oiler thing to do. Its not what I would do, but we wait.

    If Klefbom can make a Klefbom/Schultz pairing useful, and the Oilers then sign Schultz for cheap Cheap CHEAP, there are worse problems to have. Then Chia would only have to bring in 1 top pairing RD (instead of a top pairing RD AND a 2nd pairing RD).

  41. Nostradumbass says:

    The last decade of Oiler hockey will be a case study on the relative lack of importance of coaching on performance

  42. Kitchener says:

    The Oil once again ‘lead’ the league in goal differential. Amazing. I love this team, but this is surprising beyond expectations.

    When this team starts winning, the faithful few who cheered through the dark days all deserve free beers, warm socks, good gas mileage, and stunning women with poor eyesight.

    The good news is that we are nowhere near the nadir. Not even close. Remember MacT’s presser a year ago when we all thought he had job security? That is way in the rear view mirror. The nadir is somewhere just ahead of where Vancouver currently finds itself.

    On a dark night, here are several reminders of why it’s different this time:
    – the team has actual assets now that can bring in significant pieces via trade
    – a proven set of managers and coaches who were hired based on previous success as managers and coaches, not as players in the 80s for a team placed somewhere between St. Alberta and Sherwood Park
    – from a pack of defensive draft picks, a handful of emerging 20-something wolves
    – yet another high lottery pick
    – #97
    – #93 about to finish puberty
    – #10 beginning to round out his game
    – #4 past his injury phase and getting into the meat of his career

    Just think about that list for a second from a ~2012 perspective.

  43. Zelepukin says:

    Halfwise: I asked the question because there was no rational reason why he should get those minutes while posting those results, night after night, coach after coach, season after frigging season.

    Ya it’s very much in the realm of #becauseoilers, where anything beyond ridiculous is possible.

    I will be gobsmacked if any NHL team trades for Jultz. The only way I can see this happening is if we retain salary and the team in question wants for him their AHL team’s playoff push.

    When he is still here past the deadline, he should be sent down. Nothing destroys team morale than frustration. What creates frustration? Shitty players, making shitty plays, on a nightly basis.

  44. Moose says:

    G Money,

    I’m half-Moose. Not sure if that works for you.

  45. Younger Oil says:

    I am tired of the management being so oblivious as to why this team is so bad.

    It is because we are dressing three rookies and Justin Schultz as four of our six defenders.

    In my opinion, our horrible defensive depth is a direct result of stockpiling exclusively left handed defenders draft after draft after draft, and ruining their development by having a clusterfuck of left handed prospects in the AHL fighting for limited spots. It’s not competition at that point, it’s hindering development. It’s not letting the cream rise to the top, it is drowning potential in a sea of similar prospects.

    The preferential treatment towards veterans in the AHL who are NEVER going to make an NHL squad is a joke too, give the prospects the icetime and reps when they are developing, that’s when they need it the most.

    This mix clearly isn’t working, and it’s time to blow all of this mess up for the umpteenth time this decade. We need to replace these rookies with defenders closer to their prime, and closer to the core of the team.

    I know I’m ruining my argument with NHL 16 trade proposals, but there are deals to be made out there that can give this team the balance and experience it so desperately needs.

    When we inevitably get the first overall pick, leverage it to Arizona for OEL to give them their hometown franchise player to get bodies in the seats. Matthews+Nurse/Reinhart for OEL+ARI 1st round pick.

    Offers for Vatanen are being listened to apparently, give them the Arizona 1st and Yakupov for him.

    Hamonic is available, trade him and the rights to Nielsen for Nuge.

    Now that we’ve addressed defence, Chia wants size, Nichushkin is reportedly available, swap him for Nurse/Reinhart.

    That gives us a roster of

    Hall-Drai-Nichushkin
    Pouliot-McDavid-Eberle
    Pakarainen-Neilsen-Slepyshev
    Hendricks-Letestu-Khaira

    OEL-Hamonic
    Klefbom-Vatanen
    Sekera-Fayne
    Davidson/Gryba

    I barely put any thought into those trades, tried to make them moderately reasonable where picks/prospects could be added to balance up the deals, but the specific trades aren’t the point.

    Just imagine for one year, a D corps with no rookies, where every single member is capable, responsible, and in/near their prime.

    If we keep playing rookie D, we are just pissing McDavid and Hall’s best years away. I’m sick and tired of it, and Chia needs to find a way to address the current needs of this team and find balance.

    Anything else is unacceptable.

  46. Moose says:

    Halfwise: I asked the question because there was no rational reason why he should get those minutes while posting those results, night after night, coach after coach, season after frigging season.

    And the penalty for the Oiler brass who signed such a clause and then breached it would be humiliation amongst the rest of the league.

    This is blog, Mr. Ungulate. We get to spitball here. It’s a thing.

    I’ve spent years trying to fathom it as well, but I’ve come to the conclusion that there just haven’t been many better options (addition by subtraction aside), and that speaks to just how god awful this D-corps has been.

    Every time a new coach comes in, they’ve wanted to form their own opinion, and that’s the problem. We all know the ending. As stupid as it sounds, it’s obvious there are tools there (mobility, puck skill, etc), so coaches get seduced, but the guy just has zero desire to play the game at the necessary level, and even less hockey sense in his own zone.

    I certainly don’t think its out of the realm that they told him he’d go straight into the top 4 when they pitched their offer to him, in fact it’s probable. I just want it to end. Sadly I don’t think he’s going anywhere on Monday.

  47. Gret99zky says:

    HeatTreaterJoe: If Klefbom can make a Klefbom/Schultz pairing useful, and the Oilers then sign Schultz for cheap Cheap CHEAP, there are worse problems to have.Then Chia would only have to bring in 1 top pairing RD (instead of a top pairing RD AND a 2nd pairing RD).

    Yeah, and maybe the Oilers can then bring back Eric Belanger for cheap Cheap CHEAP and that would be great too.

    Christ.

  48. OilClog says:

    Jultz won’t be here next week let alone next season.

    Nor will Fayne, coach was clear what he thought about the Fayne off the glass.

    Sign Davidson

    The presser was amazing atleast there’s something to watch for the rest of this whatever it is.

  49. Gret99zky says:

    Kitchener,

    So you’re saying be patient. Maybe next year? The future is bright?

    Here are the reasons we will be out of the playoffs by Christmas next season:

    1) injuries.
    2) playing through injuries.
    3) lack of depth.
    4) reffing.
    5) luck.

    Thank God the dark days are over though.

  50. Nostradumbass says:

    I think if I had to pick the biggest error among many of the MacT era it was him refusing to pay the price for Cory Schneider

    I’m not sure this team ever gets lift without first seriously addressing the average goal-tending we’ve had for a decade

  51. Moose says:

    OilClog:

    The presser was amazing atleast there’s something to watch for the rest of this whatever it is.

    The presser was just fantastic. Those were the comments of a coach who has his GM’s ear and is on the same page in terms of player evaluation. It’s no coincidence that happened the same day as Chia basically telegraphed dropping a couple bombs on the roster over the next three months.

  52. 719 says:

    A team with Hall, Ebs, Drai, Yakupov, Pou and McDavid cannot outscore their mistakes, and has trouble in general scoring.

    I am not being sarcastic, but I would have never guessed. That is on paper such a great scoring line up, yet we have trouble scoring on so many nights and can’t outscore the mistakes.

  53. Younger Oil says:

    Just listening to McLellan’s presser.

    Great honesty.

    Tanks the value of anyone they are trying to trade (though their play already does that).

  54. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    Gret99zky: Yeah, and maybe the Oilers can then bring back Eric Belanger for cheap Cheap CHEAP and that would be great too.

    Christ.

    You may have missed where I wrote “If Klefbom can make a Klefbom/Schultz pairing useful”?

  55. 719 says:

    G Money:
    Kitchener,

    Reminder: Oesterle/Davidson gave up ONE EV SHOT when on the ice tonight.Check the rink maps I posted above.That’s the game right there.

    Lost in everything today, Oesterle’s performance. I thought he had a really strong performance and made some nice plays.

  56. AsiaOil says:

    Honestly this was the 2nd game in a row where Justin Shultz loses it pretty much on his own with an assist from Jordan Eberle who seems to be enjoying his role as Sam Gagner in the movie “also seen in picture after opposition goal”. Let’s just stop the madness and trade Shultz for anything if there is indeed a buyer out there. Otherwise waive him and send him home. Shultz, Ference, Nikitin, Fayne – that $15.5 million of utter crap MacT signed and said he was still pretty happy with last spring – pisses me off he still gets to hang around after that.

    TMac is pissed off and he’s right to be – this team needs heart surgery – Hall maybe survives the purge of the old core – but Shultz and Ebs can move on – RNH I’m on the fence with as he’s a center and Yak was never part of that group but he’s a mess. It’s McDavid’s and Hall’s team if Hall can share – if not – then you move him as well. Big changes coming or make you reservation for the same thing next year.

  57. LadiesloveSmid says:

    AsiaOil,

    Ya I’m at the point where maybe you trade Eberle in a deal for Hamonic and throw some money and term at Loui Eriksson. I can’t stand these wingers that don’t understand proper coverage. Yak can either go or be saddled to McDavid on a soft minutes scoring line.

  58. Gret99zky says:

    HeatTreaterJoe: You may have missed where I wrote “If Klefbom can make a Klefbom/Schultz pairing useful”?

    Schultz is terrible. He has had a long audition and it’s over.

    Klefbom has better things to do than shine that turd.

  59. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Nostradumbass,

    Schneider= no Draisaitl/Nurse/McDavid

  60. SwedishPoster says:

    In the shadow of Schultz there were a couple of other terrible performances. Sekera was awful, sure part of it is on his partner but he has to own it himself as well, there was one shift where he gave away the puck or lost battles four or five times. Hendricks as a center is completely pointless, if they’re not playing him at wing put him in the pressbox, if the faith In Lander is gone give Jujhar a shot at center. Korpikoski is a plain bad pick up by Chia. I’m getting tired of Letestu as well, his PKing is below par, overall I don’t think he’s that good defensively for being a bottom six center, he chips in a bit more offense than your average fourth liner but I’d rather have a solid defensive player especially on the Oilers wherepretty much the only forward who’s actually good defensively is Hendricks and he’s played out of position. Purcell gave zero effort tonight. The rest of the top six had flashes mixed in with some awful D. Hall had a couple of real garbage plays that screamed frustration, the “oh whatever” shot with the goalie pulled was one. Yak missed coverage badly on the first, he has to stop puckwatching in the D zone, and his first period wasn’t very good but he bounced back in the last two and were one of the better players. Talbot seems like he could use a game or two on the sidelines, clearly is losing his spirit behind this team.

    These last 10 or so games have discouraging as hell. Why can’t they even show up? And I include McLellan in this, his coaching has been lazy and uninspired as well just trotting along with the same basic structure, the same lines and pairings, the same players getting the nod at key moments despite garbage results. I’m in no way blaming coaching for thisit just feels like McLellan has thrown in the towel as well, doesn’t really care how angry he is during media avails if the on ice performance looks the same without the coach really doing anything. This could ofc be a way to showcase players but man just make the trades and get it over with. This is just a sad state of affairs.

  61. LadiesloveSmid says:

    seeing Klefbom with a quality top 2 D is on my bucket list, in an oilers jersey that is

  62. rickithebear says:

    Doughty post game tonight:

    “That is our mo!
    We do not score goals.
    But Defence wins Championships.
    Do not mind scoring less.”

  63. rickithebear says:

    Hall-Drai #1 tough comp EVPPG forward pair in Game. Tambo-Mact
    Mcdcvid-Eberle 3rd comp Offensive line. MacT-Tambo
    RNH Premier top end PvP center Tambo

    Klefbom-XXX Tambo
    davidson-XXX Tambo

    Talbot MacT
    Brossoit MacT

  64. rickithebear says:

    Even:
    Ott 2 G on 5 High chance shots
    EDM 1G on 11 HCS

    PP:
    Ott 1 G on 2 MCS and 1 HCS
    EDM 0G on 1 LCS, 4 MCS, 1 HCS

    Defence wins championships.
    Not forwards playong defence.

  65. Professor Q says:

    rickithebear:
    Hall-Drai #1 tough comp EVPPG forward pair in Game. Tambo-Mact
    Mcdcvid-Eberle 3rd comp Offensive line. MacT-Tambo
    RNH Premier top end PvP center Tambo

    Klefbom-XXX Tambo
    davidson-XXX Tambo

    Talbot MacT
    Brossoit MacT

    Wouldn’t Eberle be Lowe?

  66. RJ2016 says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Nostradumbass,

    Schneider= no Draisaitl/Nurse/McDavid

    Not necessarily. If he was an Oiler he would have had some freak injury for an extended period and everyone would be damning MacT for giving up a ton for an injury-prone goalie.

  67. blainer says:

    Was finally impressed that the coach is reacting to the fact that Shultz is not an NHL D.

    FINALLY !!

    He needs to be gone NOW ..waive him tomorrow if there are no takers..

    It sounds like Chia and Tmc are also finally seeing that there has to be changes.

    They also NEED to be careful when making the inevitable trades that they do it the right way. Do not get spanked by a rival GM. We now have the currency to obtain the correct mix.

    We are where we are now so lets get Laine. He is Jagar 2.0

    What a mix with CMD and Poo that guy will be.

    Trade Ebs and or Nuge and possibly Nurse and pull off the miracle of signing Stamkos up front.

    I am hoping for a D of

    Klef Hamonic

    Sekera Shattenkirk

    Davidson Reinhart/ Gryba

    Just Love Nurse Ebs and Nuge but we have to get that D somehow.

    Stamkos replaces Nuge in a big way. Wishful thinking I know but he hasn’t signed yet..

  68. hunter1909 says:

    Kitchener: Paging Hunter1909. What percentage of fine folks are out of the running on this season’s point total pool? (https://lowetide.ca/2015/10/05/manic-monday/)
    Assuming a maximum of 50 points + 21 games left = 92 points, I’m guessing that a few summer bulls are starting to fall out of mathematical contention.

    Hunter1909 Official Oilers 2016 Death March Leaderboard for 24.2.16
    Oilers headed for a 67 point season:

    The player listed predicted a 69 point finish(closest to 67 pt. final tally):

    knighttown

    When I started posting this Oilers 2016 Death March update in January, Oilers were threatening a 75 point season. Good times.

  69. hunter1909 says:

    Gret99zky: I guessed 84pts in the Hunter1909 pool of death.

    Pool of Death. Great concept.

    Gret99zky: Way off. Boy do I feel like the fucking asshole.

    Really? I picked them for 106(a mistake, since I intended to give them the same amount of points than the 1971 Canadiens, but got that wrong by about 10 points too many.

    What kind of fool compares these losers to the 1971 Canadiens?

  70. spoiler says:

    Gerta Rauss: I have to believe that LT was funnin’ us

    Him not having seen The Last Waltz is unpossible

    I think so too. I’m near certain he’s mentioned it before.

    Edit: Google agrees. LT, you bugger! lol…

  71. GCW_69 says:

    hunter1909: Hunter1909 Official Oilers 2016 Death March Leaderboard for 24.2.16
    Oilers headed for a 67 point season:

    The player listed predicted a 69 point finish(closest to 67 pt. final tally):

    knighttown

    When I started posting this Oilers 2016 Death March update in January, Oilers were threatening a 75 point season.Good times.

    75 was my prediction. They are now on pace for 66. One of these days I am going to turn pessimistic about this team.

  72. Frank the dog says:

    GCW_69: 75 was my prediction. They are now on pace for 66.One of these days I am going to turn pessimistic about this team.

    Apparently I had 74.

  73. RedArmy says:

    Who in managment pushed for Letestu?

    I don’t mind the player but his skill set doesn’t mesh with Chai’s verbal.

  74. Gret99zky says:

    If McDavid and his reps can find a way out after his ELC, I bet they do.

    McDavid is too smart and talented to go the way of the Oilers.

    League will probably help him out as well. Maybe change the rules like they did with the draft.

  75. magneto says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes,

    I don’t know if anyone has responded to this but Hall through his first 5 years has been way better than Kessel through his first 5 years in the NHL.
    Hall- 263pts 299gms
    Kessel- 245pts 374gms

  76. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    Hey guys, remember that time 6 years ago when we all felt like this thing was turning North?

  77. magneto says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes,

    In Kessel’s 9 years he has 2 PPG seasons (11-12, 13-14)
    In Hall’s 5 years he has 2 PPG seasons (12-13, 13-14) and has more points than Kessel this year, although under a PPG

  78. Woodguy says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!:
    Hey guys, remember that time 6 years ago when we all felt like this thing was turning North?

    At no time did anyone think the Oilers were turning north while Tambellini was in charge.

    Maybe Ducey, but that’s it.

  79. stevezie says:

    I don’t remember a press conference quite like Tmac’s. I’ve heard coaches rip a team, but not say, “I’m playing guys to showcase them. After the trade deadline this roster is going to look different, one way or the other. Some players are hopeless and can’t be coached.”

    Unique.

    He admitted Schultz was the #1 culprit, but if you listen to his commentary on the goals it’s obvious he ain’t thrilled with Fayne, Drai, Yak, Talbot, possibly Korpse, Letestu and Sekera. A lot of bad games to go around but those seven stood out. At least a bad game was a special event for a couple of them.

    Yak made some plays but needs to be on a good line or he will drag his guys down and not create on his own. Not sure he can justify his need of a good line but I betcha we’re about to find out.

    I thought Poo had a good game. McD and Eberle too.

  80. Sugar Reijo says:

    My take….

    We have some big holes to fill on the D with McCoil, Grymes and Jefferson going south.

    But don’t underestimate what a healthy John White will mean to the offence. Not only in terms of production but the health of Mike Reilly. The fewer times he has to force an extra second standing in the pocket on second and long the better.

  81. McSorley33 says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!,

    I had that Turn North debate in here with someone 9 weeks ago.

    Heck take a look at the point predictions for this year.

    NN, Ference, Gryba, Jultz and Fayne…..

  82. stevezie says:

    RedArmy,

    I feel a little bad he is getting crapped on, because he is a good 4C. We thought one of him or Lander could handle 3C, and it is clear neither can. Hendrix ain’t a good center, either.

    If Korpse is still here after the deadline I expect he’ll rotate being scratched with Kassian. Hendricks>Korpse on the winger, JJ/Lander/Letsestu>Hendricks at center.

    Of course, we are trading Purcell so maybe there’s more room than I think.

  83. Sugar Reijo says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    It is always amazing to me how bad the Oilers are at passing. Do the Oilers ever complete more than one pass in a row?

    Once that I remember.

    Of course no sooner had they than I woke up shocked, drenched in tipped over Jamesons, and topped with sprinkled Tostitos.

  84. Johnny skid says:

    stevezie: He admitted Schultz was the #1 culprit, but if you listen to his commentary on the goals it’s obvious he ain’t thrilled with Fayne, Drai, Yak, Talbot, possibly Korpse, Letestu and Sekera. A lot of bad games to go around but those seven stood out. At least a bad game was a special event for a couple of them.

    or is that your list? maybe i missed something in tmac’s comments.

  85. GCW_69 says:

    Frank the dog: Apparently I had 74.

    Another optimist. Sometimes it’s tough being an optimist and following this team.

  86. stevezie says:

    Johnny skid,

    He mentioned Schultz by name (when prompted) but said on all three goals there were culprits. On the first it was blown coverage (Yak, Schultz), on the second a guy failed to clear when he had time (Fayne), the third was a neutral zone giveaway (Schultz), and there was a lot of quit on the empty net goal (Drai, but really there was a lot of blame to go around on this one.)

    I don’t think any of that is in dispute. As to may “maybes”:

    You could argue that Sekera’s coverage wasn’t great on the first goal, and Talbot wasn’t great on the first two.

    He then went on to praise Davidson and Oesterle, saying at least they made msitakes of aggression, and were making things happen. To me this is a criticism of guys who make nothing happen, which to me is Korpse and Letestu.

    But I’ll grant I might be reading too much into the “maybes”.

    Really at least ten guys had bad games. The only person he was openly looking forward to benching was Schultz, but he described specific plays where Fayne and Yak made mistakes too.

  87. GCW_69 says:

    frjohnk: How do the other D look if Klefbom pushes them all down a spot?

    Still a fucking disaster. Without any doubt. None whatsoever.

  88. stevezie says:

    GCW_69: Another optimist.

    In fairness to the optimists, while this wasn’t a playoff team it didn’t have to be this bad. No team is going to look good when their top 2 centers are almost never healthy at the same time and one fo their top 2 defenceman has pieces of his leg falling off.

  89. GCW_69 says:

    RexLibris: Savard’s injury was, at the time, considered more of an unknown because they were still finding their way in dealing with concussions. He could have come back at any time, or never.

    Ference’s is more of a blood-and-guts injury where you can see it progress. But the team did a pretty good job of mothballing him for most of this year before the hip injury even came up, so I won’t underestimate their ability to do the same next year, if it comes to that.

    That’s simply not true. ” On August 31, 2011, it was announced that Savard had been shut down for the 2011–12 season by GM Peter Chiarelli.[12] Chiarelli was quoted as saying “Based on what I see, what I hear, what I read, and what I’m told, it’s very unlikely Marc will play again”.[13] Wikipedia.

  90. GCW_69 says:

    stevezie: In fairness to the optimists, while this wasn’t a playoff team it didn’t have to be this bad. No team is going to look good when their top 2 centers are almost never healthy at the same time and one fo their top 2 defenceman has pieces of his leg falling off.

    I’ll give you the forwards and it was because of McDavid I thought they had the possibility to break 70 points. But injuries happen to defence all the time. It should be expected and depth built to manage through it. This was a lottery defence without injuries. Injuries were always going to just make a bad situation worse.

  91. stevezie says:

    GCW_69,

    Oh the defence was terrible. No argument there. I’m not defending the roster so much as our place in the standings. I thought we’d draft 7-10, maybe as high as 12 if we went on a run, low as five if we went on a slide.

    I don’t think I’m a blind optimist. The injuries dropped us to last, but we were never good.

  92. Sugar Reijo says:

    One measure of the Kurtzian horror that is being an Oiler fan is how seldom Auston Matthews is mentioned in these parts, as if we’re all straining to pretend like we didn’t lose our shame glands while cheering for this sad sack organization some while ago.

    Has any fanbase in any sport ever sat where we currently do in the standings and so actively avoided mentioning just even the prospect of picking first?

  93. GCW_69 says:

    godot10:
    The Oilers have become a political meme:

    Lawrence Martin in the Globe and Mail:
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/can-style-hide-the-stumbles/article28844713/
    “The rap is that while the Liberals are scoring on style, they’re sputtering on content. By pedigree their cabinet of well-schooled and fresh-thinking types compares well with almost any. But shortage of experience there and in the Prime Minister’s Office is showing. The rookies on the team are losing sight of the puck and the net. The risk, while we’re on hockey analogies, is that this outfit will become the political equivalent of the Edmonton Oilers. A much ballyhooed team of young stars impressive everywhere except in the column that counts. Results.”

    Ouch!

    That is beautiful. It’s funny because it’s true.

  94. Bruce McCurdy says:

    AsiaOil:
    Honestly this was the 2nd game in a row where Justin Shultz loses it pretty much on his own with an assist from Jordan Eberle who seems to be enjoying his role as Sam Gagner in the movie “also seen in picture after opposition goal”. Let’s just stop the madness and trade Shultz for anything if there is indeed a buyer out there. Otherwise waive him and send him home. Shultz, Ference, Nikitin, Fayne – that $15.5 million of utter crap MacT signed and said he was still pretty happy with last spring – pisses me off he still gets to hang around after that.

    TMac is pissed off and he’s right to be – this team needs heart surgery – Hall maybe survives the purge of the old core – but Shultz and Ebs can move on – RNH I’m on the fence with as he’s a center and Yak was never part of that group but he’s a mess. It’s McDavid’s and Hall’s team if Hall can share – if not – then you move him as well. Big changes coming or make you reservation for the same thing next year.

    Man if you are picking Eberle out of that game that spaks more to your agenda than to what actually happened. Eberle scored the Oilers lone goal, his line absolutely dominated the shot clock, & he got saddled with a minus when Schultz screwed the pooch. But hey, he was out there so let’s just drive by & take a pot shot at him for auld lang syne.

  95. GCW_69 says:

    stevezie:
    GCW_69,

    Oh the defence was terrible. No argument there. I’m not defending the roster so much as our place in the standings. I thought we’d draft 7-10, maybe as high as 12 if we went on a run, low as five if we went on a slide.

    I don’t think I’m a blind optimist. The injuries dropped us to last, but we were never good.

    75 should have put the Oilers around 25th. So, I didn’t see last place, but I did say one or two key injuries would drop us deep in the lottery. I have sort of learned outside of the draft lottery, the only luck the Oilers have is bad.

  96. godot10 says:

    Sugar Reijo:
    One measure of the Kurtzian horror that is being an Oiler fan is how seldom Auston Matthews is mentioned in these parts, as if we’re all straining to pretend like we didn’t lose our shame glands while cheering for this sad sack organization some while ago.

    Has any fanbase in any sport ever sat where we currently do in the standings and so actively avoided mentioning just even the prospect of picking first?

    I don’t think you understand probability. Why talk about something that is a 20% probability at best?

    If the Oilers finish 30th, the discussion which is relevant is Puljujarvi or Tkachuk or Chychrun, since the probability of getting Matthews or Laine is way less than 50%.

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