G75 2015-16: AVALANCHE AT OILERS

We’re counting down (thanks Casey Kasem) to the end of the season, with Connor McDavid’s point total and Oilers total points the last remaining things that hold importance (work with me here, people).

TIME PASSAGES, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in October 2014: 4-5-1
  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-8-0
  • Oilers in November 2014: 2-9-3
  • Oilers in November 2015: 4-7-2
  • Oilers in December 2014: 2-8-4
  • Oilers in December 2015: 7-6-1
  • Oilers in January 2015: 5-7-1
  • Oilers in January 2016: 4-5-2
  • Oilers in February 2015: 5-6-1
  • Oilers in February 2016: 4-8-2
  • Oilers in March 2015: 5-6-3
  • Oilers in March 2016: 6-4-0
  • Oilers after 74 in 2014-15: 21-40-13, 55 points (-75 GD)
  • Oilers after 74 in 2015-16: 29-38-7, 65 points (-37 GD)

In G75 a year ago, the Oilers ripped through the Dallas Stars (!!!) 4-0, with Benoit Pouliot having a nice evening. The Oilers have a chance to post their second .500 month of the year, and they could also finish with 30 wins (first time since 2011-12 if they make it) and with 70 points (also first time since 2011-12, I think you could compare this team and that one—maybe we will).

DEFENSE, 2015-16

OILERS DEFENSE OVER SEASON

  • I wonder what metrics the Oilers use to evaluate their blue? If it is SCA/60, then Davidson, Klefbom, Gryba, Sekera, Nurse and Fayne would appear to be the best available. I don’t know, but it would be nice.
  • I suspect they value possession (‘shot volume’!) and hope they know what a friend they have in Mark Fayne. Please find six better before you deal him, Mr. Chiarelli.
  • Andrej Sekera is going to finish this season around 49 percent in possession. He won’t win team MVP, but he should get some votes.
  • Defensive rookie of the year? Brandon Davidson, without a throw. Those top 10 picks (Nurse, Reinhart) might be wise to spend some time with Davidson and pick his brain on the finer points of the game. It isn’t the worst idea you will read today.

CENTERS, 2015-16

oilers centers over season

  • Connor McDavid (37, 14-25-39) is still just coming into view. It takes awhile to comprehend the scale of greatness when it comes to giants. He is one. CM is the best rookie in the NHL this season, they won’t give him the Calder.
  • Leon Draisaitl (64, 18-30-48) has a chance to reach 50 points before Sam Gagner, or RNH (joke). A splendid season, a wonderful career on the way. Best German NHL player ever? We are about to find out.
  • Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (50, 10-22-32) is back and I don’t care really if the numbers don’t count up to what we expected. I have decided to enjoy these games in case this is the last of him as an Oiler.

OILERS LEFT WINGERS, 2015-16

OILERS LW OVER SEASON

  • Taylor Hall (74, 23-35-58) will lead the team in scoring again. He led the Oilers in points for the seasons ending 2013, 2014 and 2016.
  • Patrick Maroon (65, 6-13-19) has enjoyed a very nice run (9, 2-4-6) after arriving from Edmonton, and I think he might end up being the best of the mid-season additions in Chiarelli’s first year. Of course, I would have said that about Zack Kassian a month ago, so it is a moving target and will be for another season.
  • Benoit Pouliot (55, 14-22-36) has been missed. We would do well to remember that in the dog days of summer.
  • Jujhar Khaira may be a better player than Lauri Korpikoski, but he will need an injury next season to prove it.

RIGHT WINGERS, 2015-16

OILERS RW OVER SEASON

  • Jordan Eberle (61, 22-20-42) might have hit 30 with McDavid had he been healthy all year. Could he post 35 next season, if healthy? I would not bet against it.
  • Zack Kassian (28, 3-4-7) is probably on the team next year. Although the offense has been no screaming hell, and the penalties are a pain, Kassian’s agitating style and skill allows the Oilers to present a different look in California and other places.
  • Nail Yakupov (52-6-12-18)  is so close to 50 percent in possession, has a nice high-danger scoring chance number and I think he could push 2.00/60 with a good center. New Jersey should trade for him at the draft, as they did with Kyle Palmieri last year.
  • Iiro Pakarinen (57, 5-6-11) may catch Yak and Kassian at 5×5/60, and I think if that happens Todd McLellan will keep him for another season. Scratch that, I think it happens anyway.

ETHAN BEAR, DRAFT PLUS ONE

Ethan Bear had a good night last night, going 1-2-3 in a comeback win for Seattle over the Portland Winterhawks. A player in draft plus one season should take a big step forward, and Bear (plus Caleb Jones) have done exactly that this season. Here are some fairly recent D+1 performances by CHL defenders taken by the Oilers:

  1. Ethan Bear 68, 19-45-64 0.941
  2. Martin Marincin 67, 14-42-56 0.836
  3. Darnell Nurse 64, 13-37-50 0.781
  4. Caleb Jones 71, 10-44-54 0.761

And now, let’s compare Bear and Jones to recent top 20 overall selections in their D+1 seasons:

 

  1. Anthony DeAngelo 55, 25-64-89 1.62 (2014)
  2. Josh Morrissey 59, 28-45-75 1.27 (2013)
  3. Ivan Provorov 62, 21-52-73 1.18 (2015)
  4. Travis Sanheim 67, 15-50-65 0.970 (2014)
  5. Thomas Chabot 47, 11-34-45 0.957 (2015)
  6. Ryan Pulock 66, 23-40-63 0.955 (2013)
  7. Ethan Bear 68, 19-45-64 0.941 (2015)
  8. Nikita Zadorov 36, 11-19-30 0.833 (2013)
  9. Darnell Nurse 64, 13-37-50 0.781 (2013)
  10. Caleb Jones 71, 10-44-54 0.761 (2015)
  11. Samuel Morin 54, 7-24-31 0.574 (2013)
  12. Haydn Fleury 63, 6-22-28 0.444 (2014)
  13. Jakub Zboril 50, 6-14-20 0.400 (2015)

The best of the best (Seth Jones, Aaron Ekblad) made the NHL or scooted straight to pro (Julius Honka), but both men show well in draft +1 against prospects who held a much higher pedigree. The trick is to keep it going and stretch it out in draft +2—but at this point signing these two prospects looks like a no-brainer. Congratulations to the Oilers scouting staff, and to Philadelphia—Provorov and Sanheim will soon be joining Shayne Gostisbehere on a young and fabulous blue.

One final note: Darnell Nurse is not a feature player on this list. We are not judging the complete range of skills, only the offensive portion. Still, it does give us a different view of the player when placed next to his rookie NHL year (61, 2-6-8 .131). His current comparable among Oilers rookies in the last 10 seasons? Ladislav Smid (77, 3-7-10 .130). I know, I know, early days, but math doesn’t care if someone is a highly-touted prospect, math only cares about math. Math is telling us something about Darnell Nurse this year.

LOTTERY APRIL 30

The NHL draft lottery goes at the end of April, and the Oilers are in a good position currently to win one of the first four spots in the order. The top three seems established (Matthews, Laine, Puljujarvi) but that middle area—No. 4 through No. 7—seems to be in flux. I posted my most recent 30 last Sunday and slotted Matthew Tkachuk, Jacob Chychrun, Mikhail Sergachev and Alex Nylander 4-7—then talked to a scout who told me the fourth best player in the draft is Olli Juolevi. That tells me that we are in the ‘we don’t know what we don’t know’ phase of the draft right now. Long stretch of highway before the final final.

OILERS CURRENT PICKS

  1. No. 3 overall (Puljujarvi likely)
  2. No. 33 overall (Carter Hart?)
  3. No. 63 overall
  4. No. 76 overall (Pittsburgh pick)
  5. No. 83 overall (Florida pick)
  6. No. 123 overall
  7. No. 148 overall (St. Louis pick)
  8. No. 153 overall
  9. No. 183 overall

I genuinely think the Oilers have to entertain offers for their first-round selection, and if the return addresses that defense, then Peter Chiarelli must pull the trigger. I don’t think many people believe it is the correct thing to do, but for me another phenom forward has less value to the Oilers than (possibly) any team in NHL history.

Peter Chiarelli added Cam Talbot, Andrej Sekera and Connor McDavid last summer. This summer, adding James Reimer, Jason Demers and Jesse Puljujarvi ignores the real issue. Now more than ever, he needs to add very smart bets on defense. Actual NHL players with some success against the other team’s best, who can play a two-way game—and that includes moving the puck consistently, and well.

That is his assignment. The pick has less value to Edmonton than any of the other 29 NHL teams. I believe this to be true.

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  1. JDï™ says:

    The Jets try the ‘Swarm a Trois’ and get Ducked:

    https://streamable.com/titv

  2. Norman Greenbaum says:

    rickithebear:
    Lt:
    I dare you to stand in front of Sather and Mact.
    And say,
    PC arranged the Talbot trade
    PC won the lottery!

    That is all I ask you to do as a man of convivtion and honor, who continues to hold this position.
    Can you video tape it and post it here. It is not like I am expecting are you nuts look.

    I want to believe you!

    And LT, if you could do this wearing Borat’s swimsuit, that’d be great.

    It’s how you get the ‘nuts look’.

  3. G Money says:

    What is it with the Oilers schedule? We’ve already played more games than anyone else, and that’s been true since the first month of the season.

    That compressed a schedule starting that early can’t be a good thing.

  4. Lowetide says:

    G Money:
    What is it with the Oilers schedule?We’ve already played more games than anyone else, and that’s been true since the first month of the season.

    That compressed a schedule starting that early can’t be a good thing.

    I think Ralph Krueger approved this schedule. McCurdy has been mad as hell about it for months.

  5. JDï™ says:

    G Money: What is it with the Oilers schedule?

    That four day break at the end of March is a great time to rest up before the – oh, wait…

  6. sliderule says:

    rickithebear,

    I thought Woodguy arranged Talbot’s trade.?

  7. spoiler says:

    kinger_OIL:
    hunter1909,

    – Hunt says: “Nurse has the potential to become a version of Chris Pronger”

    – Depending on what derivative of Pronger I agree.Pronger was an elite point getter in Junoir, and he was way tougher than Nurse in Junoir.Pronger came into the NHL and was almost from the get go an elite point getter, elite vision, passer, great shot and a much tougher player than Nurse is now.

    – I see similarities in their skating, and their size.To the extent past performance is predictive of future, Nurse hasn’t put up the points.He dosn’t show Prongers elite vision, isn’t nearly the passer, he takes a long time to wind up his shot, and isn’t as smartly physical as Proger.

    – Trade him to a team that sees him as the next Proger, and values him as such, and you do great on that trade in terms of what comes back.Or keep him and play him properly, so that in 3 years he is “a version of Pronger”: but he’s no “Chris Pronger” in training.

    This is incorrect. Pronger struggled mightily when he came into the league. You know why? Because he was playing too high in the line-up and too much was expected of him. This led to his first trade, after which he blossomed. While Nurse isn’t as offensively talented, perhaps, there’s a lot of similarity there.

  8. JDï™ says:

    spoiler: Because he was playing too high in the line-up and too much was expected of him.

    Were the Whalers also a pretty bad team then?

  9. gnikkles says:

    Bruce McCurdy: A 21-year-old d-man is right in the sweet spot for a cluster built around an 18-year-old forward. The complaint around here used to be that the d-men were younger than the forwards.

    It’s true. When you put it like that its hard to disagree with the philosophy. But I was already counting Klefbom and Nurse as those guys in the sweet spot for McDavid (and was counting Marincin at the time, did not like that trade either) so would have preferred to keep the picks.

    I mean it obviously always comes down to the return, I would have supported trading them for Hamilton.

    Barring a return of that nature I would have still liked for them to keep the picks and add some more high end prospects that are hopefully going to be ready to help in 3-4 years, because I felt that was the realistic timeline for this team at the time of the last draft.

  10. Woodguy says:

    godot10: The good teams in the NFL don’t “draft for need”.

    Well that’s not true at all.

    At the top of the draft they are drafting starters for the next year.

    These are men, often 23 years old+

    Every NFL team drafts for need, especially in the first round.

    Very different model than the NHL.

    Not comparable for the most part.

  11. AsiaOil says:

    So if I understand the proposed expansion draft rules correctly – Nurse will be exempt but Reinhart needs to be protected? Correct? Also the status of NMC and NTC is unclear?

    If you can expose players with NMC/NTC then putting guys like Sekera and Pouliot out there is absolutely sensible. These guys were signed to full dollar/term deals and cost no assets to acquire – plus they can be replaced from the same place we got them (free agency). I would also be looking to trade a LHD for a RHD in the off-season to balance the protected list, and trade Eberle for another RHD:

    Protect 4 forwards: Hall, Drai, RNH, xxx – Pouliot likely exposed
    Protect 4 dmen: Klef, RHD, RHD, Reinhart or Davidson (other one traded for RHD) – Sekera exposed
    Protect 1 goalie: Talbot

    With the implications of the expansion draft becoming apparent – this summer may be a great chance to pluck solid veteran RHD who we can then protect. Basic philosophy – protect your dmen and centers – wingers are replaceable (unless they are truly elite).

  12. Woodguy says:

    pocession charge: Wow he farms, too?What can’t this kid do?

    He’s dreamy.

  13. Woodguy says:

    fifthcartel: That’s what I’ve been curious about as well. Is there a lot of player who score similarly to Nurse that end up well or are we only looking at a few who bucked the trend?

    It’s something I wanted to look into myself but didn’t really have the time with school.

    As much as I love Nurse’s skating and toughness, there are other significant parts of his game I have some concerns about at this stage.

    I think I reiderated it somewhere else in the thread, but when I said that Nurse scores “low, low” it was via my metric, not his points.

    He’s pretty much got the lowest table score I saw over ~8 years of Dmen and only Jack Johnson is close.

    I was being charitable saying that Moore and Cowen were close because this is such an explosive issue.

    Cowen scored twice as many points as Nurse and was still near the bottom.

    I’m not sure what that means (if anything), but its not good.

  14. rickithebear says:

    Lowetide: And I want to understand you! It is a difficult life!

    Push comes to shove.

    You do not believe it.

    Ah MSM!

    😉

  15. Woodguy says:

    frjohnk,

    I think Nurses offensive ceiling is underrated
    Out of all D men who have played more than 250 minutes 5 on 5.
    -Nurse is tied for 13th in creating 14 individual high scoring chances.

    In terms of individual offence, its tough to over rate him right now because he’s last in the NHL among Dmen in 5v5 pts/60.

    Not all offence comes via points though, and gaining possession and moving the puck up plays a big role too (Stralman is the poster boy for this. Creates offence, but doesn’t get a ton of points)

    I have 4 Offensive metrics on my table for Nurse (Dmen 800min+ over last 2 years)

    5v5 pts/60 – Nurse ranks 209/209

    Rel Scoring Chance For/60 153/209

    RelCF/60 166/209

    Goals For ON – Goals For OFF (is the team better/worse when he’s on the ice) 178/209

  16. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear,

    Ah MSM!

    sick burn bro!

  17. Lowetide says:

    rickithebear: Push comes to shove.

    You do not believe it.

    Ah MSM!

    ?

    No, I believe Chiarelli made the trade, and gave good value. The draft was pure luck though, no way on planet earth the NHL rigged it FOR Edmonton.

  18. Woodguy says:

    DRFNsuperstar:
    Nurse was never going to be a scoring Dman in the NHL based on NHLE and year over year development throughout junior. If he becomes a #3 shutdown D man on a playoff team everyone should be happy. That being said he shouldn’t have to play that role as a rookie without a new partner every week, none of them being veterans.

    Quick question, when you guys state a point/60 number is it the players actual minutes or a per game type number? Nurses warrior chart has him as second pairing in goals/60, how is that possible when he plays 20 min a night and only has 2 goals.

    Its per 60 minutes played, and that shows you the limitations of the warrior/hero charts.

    They lack context in such a big way they’re more harmful than useful.

  19. prefonmich says:

    Came into conversation late as i just watched my 7yr old score shootout winner for his team in their final game of season. So forgive me if this has been said but IMO Nurse is another untouchabl on thus team second to McDavid. No fancy stats will do him justice. He is a Fierce with a capital F defender and hes not full grown yet. His offense may never be stellar but do we all so quickly forget his impact innthe juniors two years ago? When have we last had a scary dman on our team who can also skate the puck out of trouble if not score points. Im not talking Jason Smith here, more like Robin regehr but better skater. This guy is invaluable to our future and i think Chiarelli sees it too. He is playing above his head thus year so numbers are not good but he is a competetitive SOB so hell get better. Much better. Good teams do not trade these guys at 21.

  20. JDï™ says:

    Can’t remember where I heard this recently, but I liked it:

    The truth is like poetry, and most people hate poetry!

  21. Norman Greenbaum says:

    JDï™:
    Can’t remember where I heard this recently, but I liked it:

    The truth is like poetry, and most people hate poetry!

    Ain’t that the truth.

    Unless it rhymes. Everybody knows good poetry rhymes.

  22. square_wheels says:

    AsiaOil,

    With so much uncertainty about the 17/18 season and the expansion rules, a few scenarios can play out. Let’s use St Louis as an example :

    – protect Pietrangelo, Parayko by choice, Jay-Bo due to his NTC and do what with Shattenkirk ?
    – if Shattenkirk wants to go to UFA, does he risk maximizing his next deal because of the uncertainty teams will have in their roster ?
    – expose every forward except Tarasenko, Schwartz
    – but if we agree the NTC/NMC players must be protected then that leaves them having to protect Stastny
    – the conundrum comes this summer, if you are trying to rebuild the lineup with vets or even resigning your Captain, how many of them want a contract with a NMC/NTC ?
    – the Blues have literally no players signed for 16/17, so they could be restocking this summer, including trying to find a goalie.
    – there is going to be a serious showdown over expansion between the league and the players with the owners/league insisting there is clarity as early as this summer if expansion is remotely possible to start the 16/17 season. This summer’s UFA crop may find NMC/NTC are not offered.

  23. JDï™ says:

    Norman Greenbaum,

    Ah – I think it’s from The Big Short (highly recommend it).

  24. Norman Greenbaum says:

    JDï™:
    Norman Greenbaum,

    Ah – I think it’s from The Big Short (highly recommend it).

    So you did remember where you heard it. You didn’t tell the truth.

    I’ll look it up! Remember Rex (I think) recommending ‘The Ghost Map’. It’s what I love about this blog; the intangibles!

  25. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    From Bruce Garrioch:

    The Jets have a decision to make on defenceman Jacob Trouba. The 22-year-old is coming out of an entry-level deal and the talk amongst league executives is the two sides are nowhere close in contract talks. You have to think Trouba falls somewhere in the $4-to-$5 million range but the belief is his camp’s demands are higher than that. At some point or another, the Islanders will have to deal with defenceman Travis Hamonic’s trade request to be closer to home. Some believe there’s a fit with the Jets.

    http://www.ottawasun.com/2016/03/20/nhl-discussing-rules-for-expansion-draft?token=a0df859e559d4370414121e3ed74d2c5

    Trouba had a great rookie season followed by a meh season and now a bad season.

    If he seriously wants north of $5MM:

    1) He wants out of WPG and will sign for less elsewhere
    2) Has a delusional agent

    Most agents know the comparables cold and his should *know* that he’s not worth that and perhaps he just wants out of WPG.

  26. JDï™ says:

    Norman Greenbaum: You didn’t tell the truth.

    Is that wrong?

  27. OF17 says:

    I’ve had a particularly large soft spot for Nurse ever since I saw him a couple of times at the Oilers Development Camp this summer. His skating was incredible – only McDavid was in the same stratosphere – and his smarts and puck skills were clearly better than the other defenders. Combine that with how nasty he was in a freaking intersquad practice and that he stayed way later than any other player working with the coaches after the session ended – probably 20-30 minutes – and he made quite the impression.

    I still believe strongly in his potential. The offense this year is discouraging, but I’d say he’s more likely than average to rebound from it and show much better next year. The amount of fire in his belly, his natural skill, and his desire to improve make it difficult to bet against him.

    That said, if a chance to trade him for an immediate, long-term solution like Hamonic came around, I’d take it. Everyone has their price. But if Chiarelli can solve the RHD issue without trading Nurse or decimating the forward corps, I’ll be quite happy to have him back on the team next year and for years to come.

  28. SoCaloil says:

    Yes. Dillon Simpson. My bad

    That 3-2 rush. He closed the gap real well and took away the pass and pushed the play far enough to the outside. The gull shot it right at him and the puck was in the corner making the play dead. Was a dandy. Another time he was closing the gap well but fell backwards. Got up and got a good hook to prevent a scoring op. Smart play. Was using his hands to communicate like I’ve send Davidson do. Like the guy and I think he would do event not covering for Hunts chaos

    Looking fwd to seeing more games but probably won’t happen till next year. Unless playoffs

  29. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: Yes. They moved him up with Sekera.

    He is 43.6 with Sekera, 46.9 without. 47 percent Corsi isn’t fabulous, but when factoring in other partners and rookie status it does frame it a different way.

    I looked at Nurse away from Sekera to get a better feel as well.

    He’s actually better offensively, but the same defensively which isn’t good given that he’s seeing less tougher comp away from Sekera.

    Nurse: CA CF WOWY via Sekera

    CF/60 together 46.77
    CF/60 apart 53.75

    That’s good to see and makes sense. Away from the toughs Nurse is helping create more offensive opportunities for the team.

    CA/60 together 60.61
    CA/60 apart 60.92

    That’s not good. Away from Sekera he should have a much better number here.

    One caveat is the his most common partner away from Sekera is Jultz and that might explain a lot of the CA/60 stuff.

    Its still really dismal results compared to vast majority of 19-21 year old rookie Dmen.

    It might be a case of:

    Playing too high with Sekera
    Playing 2nds with Jultz
    Playing 3rd with Clendenning

    …and he’s better than he’s showing, but I’m loathe to let the player entirely off the hook for his results.

  30. Lowetide says:

    SoCaloil:
    Yes.Dillon Simpson.My bad

    That 3-2 rush.He closed the gap real well and took away the pass and pushed the play far enough to the outside. The gull shot it right at him and the puck was in the corner making the play dead. Was a dandy.Another time he was closing the gap well but fell backwards.Got up and got a good hook to prevent a scoring op.Smart play.Was using his hands to communicate like I’ve send Davidson do. Like the guy and I think he would do event not covering for Hunts chaos

    Looking fwd to seeing more games but probably won’t happen till next year. Unless playoffs

    Appreciate it. I have had a running theory on Simpson, mostly based on anecdotal evidence. Going back to his draft year, and then his first year pro, the verbal is very poor. Can’t skate, but he is mobile. Can’t pass the puck worth a damn, but he is young. And the following season he gets better and on it goes. I think he should be ready in time for the expansion draft. 🙂

  31. Woodguy says:

    frjohnk: If Trouba is available in a trade for Hamonic, that’s the deal Snow takes.

    Not if Trouba wants to get paid.

    Snow is notorious for his hardline stance against RFA’s with no arb.

    More than one has sat out after not signing the contract he offered, only to relent and sign it after the season started.

    Trouba and Snow is not a fit.

    Not unless Trouba signs for about half of his reported ask.

  32. prefonmich says:

    I think Chiarelli will get creative this summer for a top 4 right d. I dont think we can really predict it because of many unkown factors . if for example anaheim wins the cup, their fa prices all go up and they already will struggle to sign all. Add the possibility of expansion draft protection and there will be some players we cant yet predict to shake loose. In the mould of Garth Snow grabbing Leddy and Boychuk a few years back for very little, chiarelli is a smart man who will not give players up for less than his believed value.

  33. fifthcartel says:

    Woodguy,

    Arthur Staple (pretty solid gospel for Isles news) tweeted that the Isles basically have no interest in Trouba, but who knows if this is them just pushing the message out to tilt in their favour (maybe Winnipeg wants more).

    I think Hamonic (and Greiss) ends up in Edmonton after they get pushed to pick 4-6 after the draft lottery.

  34. Woodguy says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Interesting splits for Nurse at the superficial (boxcar) level:

    First 21 games: 2-5-7, +1
    ——
    (Klefbom injured)
    —–
    Next 40 games: 0-1-1, -14

    Not sure how Woodguy’s fancies might line up but I find that a rather striking dividing line. By memory & by logic Nurse’s QC surged at that point that Oscar went down.

    He played with Sekera until Fayne got back from the AHL.

    I’ll find the exact game, but Nurse hasn’t played with Sekera since December.

  35. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    We had this discussion back in the fall.

    Is Nurse one of the six best D? Yes.
    Should he therefore be in the lineup? My vote was no.
    Full season in the AHL, if not at least half the season.

    The best thing for the team isn’t necessarily the best thing for the player.

    There’s still hope for Nurse. He has oodles of talent and miles to go to hone his game. It’s too soon to say conclusively anything at all about him, but in the race to the 5 year mark he is just finishing the first turn, while the right-handed D-man taken one pick after him (LT had him rated ahead of Nurse that draft as well) is almost finishing up the back stretch.

  36. Genjutsu says:

    JDï™:
    Norman Greenbaum,

    Ah – I think it’s from The Big Short (highly recommend it).

    Everyone should see that movie.

    Stupid greedy crooks.

    Man.

  37. Lowetide says:

    On the morning of November 11, Nurse had 1.70/60 at 5×5 and was over 50 percent in 5×5 possession
    https://lowetide.ca/2015/11/11/g16-2015-16-oilers-at-ducks/

    He played his seventh game of the season that night. He would be 7, 1-3-4 the next morning. Since then, he is 54, 1-3-4. So, aside from not being sent down, we know he played with Sekera and one wonders if his zone starts were Everest at points in time. As mentioned above, a very unusual rookie year. I think they fell in love, force fed him, and by the time they backed off he was in trouble.

    No idea about long term impact, but not ideal.

  38. Woodguy says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Interesting splits for Nurse at the superficial (boxcar) level:

    First 21 games: 2-5-7, +1
    ——
    (Klefbom injured)
    —–
    Next 40 games: 0-1-1, -14

    Not sure how Woodguy’s fancies might line up but I find that a rather striking dividing line. By memory & by logic Nurse’s QC surged at that point that Oscar went down.

    Here’s Nurse TOI w/ various partners.

    Will break out the Sekera dates when I can:

    NURSE, DARNELL 1055:49
    SEKERA, ANDREJ 377:10 – 1sts 38%
    SCHULTZ, JUSTIN 245:27 – 2nds 23%
    CLENDENING, ADAM 130:32 – 3rds 12%
    GRYBA, ERIC 95:26 – 3rds 9%
    FAYNE, MARK 85:50 – 3rds 9%
    DAVIDSON, BRANDON -45:00 – 2nds 4%
    KLEFBOM, OSCAR 31:40 – 2nds 3%
    NIKITIN, NIKITA 21:32 2% 3rds

    Firsts 38%
    Seconds 30%
    Thirds 32%

    Not ideal by any stretch.

  39. Lowetide says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    We had this discussion back in the fall.

    Is Nurse one of the six best D? Yes.
    Should he therefore be in the lineup? My vote was no.
    Full season in the AHL, if not at least half the season.

    The best thing for the team isn’t necessarily the best thing for the player.

    There’s still hope for Nurse. He has oodles of talent and miles to go to hone his game. It’s too soon to say conclusively anything at all about him, but in the race to the 5 year mark he is just finishing the first turn, while the right-handed D-man taken one pick after him (LT had him rated ahead of Nurse that draft as well) is almost finishing up the back stretch.

    They should have sent him down. Most kids need a re-set, in my RE I basically divided a season between Nurse and Reinhart because that is how NHL teams do it. Never sent him back.

  40. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide,

    OZone starts with various partners:

    Player OZone%

    SEKERA, ANDREJ 44.3
    SCHULTZ, JUSTIN 47.2
    CLENDENING, ADAM 61
    GRYBA, ERIC 51.7
    FAYNE, MARK 45.2
    DAVIDSON, BRANDON 48.6
    KLEFBOM, OSCAR 47.2
    NIKITIN, NIKITA 38.1

  41. spoiler says:

    JDï™: Were the Whalers also a pretty bad team then?

    Yes. Although the Oil are generationally bad.

  42. McSorley33 says:

    Lowetide,

    This.

    Force fed is the right phrase.

    And if I am honest, I agreed with the clubs choice because his talent is sooooo seductive.

    Especially, with Ference and NN being the alternatives.

  43. Water Fire says:

    Woodguy: Trouba had a great rookie season followed by a meh season and now a bad season.

    If he seriously wants north of $5MM:

    1) He wants out of WPG and will sign for less elsewhere
    2) Has a delusional agent

    Most agents know the comparables cold and his should *know* that he’s not worth that and perhaps he just wants out of WPG.

    One of our compatriots posted that here after meeting him and his brother to rent them a house.

  44. JDï™ says:

    Genjutsu: Stupid

    Anything but stupid, but I agree with the rest of that.

  45. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy:
    Lowetide,

    OZone starts with various partners:

    PlayerOZone%

    SEKERA, ANDREJ44.3
    SCHULTZ, JUSTIN47.2
    CLENDENING, ADAM61
    GRYBA, ERIC51.7
    FAYNE, MARK45.2
    DAVIDSON, BRANDON48.6
    KLEFBOM, OSCAR47.2
    NIKITIN, NIKITA38.1

    hockey-reference has him 54.5 percent defensive zone starts. I have not been able to identify their metric so don’t use it, but it does suggest more D than O ZS
    http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/n/nurseda01.html

  46. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    McSorley33,

    And there’s also the problem right there: deeming NN and AF to be viable candidates for contribution.

  47. JDï™ says:

    Genjutsu: Everyone should see that movie.

    Also: Kill The Messenger.

  48. Lowetide says:

    Fayne and Nurse lead the team in D-zone starts via Hockey-reference. Again, don’t know what they are measuring (offensive and defensive add up to 100 percent, are they ignoring NZ starts?)

    http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/EDM/2016.html

  49. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Lowetide: They should have sent him down. Most kids need a re-set, in my RE I basically divided a season between Nurse and Reinhart because that is how NHL teams do it. Never sent him back.

    I know you had that. Never happened
    Not only that they kept him in the deep end without a life ring. They finally threw him one AFTER he got to the shallow end but they might have let him drown in the process.

  50. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy:
    frjohnk,

    I think Nurses offensive ceiling is underrated
    Out of all D men who have played more than 250 minutes 5 on 5.
    -Nurse is tied for 13th in creating 14 individual high scoring chances.

    In terms of individual offence, its tough to over rate him right now because he’s last in the NHL among Dmen in 5v5 pts/60.

    Not all offence comes via points though, and gaining possession and moving the puck up plays a big role too (Stralman is the poster boy for this.Creates offence, but doesn’t get a ton of points)

    I have 4 Offensive metrics on my table for Nurse (Dmen 800min+ over last 2 years)

    5v5 pts/60 – Nurse ranks 209/209

    Rel Scoring Chance For/60 153/209

    RelCF/60 166/209

    Goals For ON – Goals For OFF (is the team better/worse when he’s on the ice) 178/209

    Individually Nurse is at the top or near the top of the league we look at

    Creating high scoring chances
    Creating scoring chances
    Getting shots at the net

    He does not show well when we incorporate the overall events from his line mates when he is on the ice.

    This is very perplexing, cause one set of data shows him very good the other data shows him not good.

    It seems as if he is the only one driving the offense when he is on the ice.

    Could be quality of teamates not being able to finish
    Could be that the best way of the team gets the puck out when he is on the ice is when he skates the puck out. Maybe not much offense is generated from his passes as his passes are not NHL ready yet.
    Could be that his rushes throw his line mates off and they don’t bury any rebounds.

    His shooting % is 1.9% at even strength.

    I don’t think he will be elite offensively but the raw talent is there to be a decent offensive Dman.
    The game needs to slow down for him and if it does he will be very important for this team.

  51. Woodguy says:

    frjohnk,

    It seems as if he is the only one driving the offense when he is on the ice.
    Could be quality of teamates not being able to finish
    Could be that the best way of the team gets the puck out when he is on the ice is when he skates the puck out. Maybe not much offense is generated from his passes as his passes are not NHL ready yet.
    Could be that his rushes throw his line mates off and they don’t bury any rebounds.
    His shooting % is 1.9% at even strength.
    I don’t think he will be elite offensively but the raw talent is there to be a decent offensive Dman.
    The game needs to slow down for him and if it does he will be very important for this team.

    Here’s his 7 most common forward linemates:

    HALL, TAYLOR
    DRAISAITL, LEON
    EBERLE, JORDAN
    PURCELL, TEDDY
    NUGENT-HOPKINS, RYAN
    LETESTU, MARK
    POULIOT, BENOIT

  52. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Good news is we can see Adam Larsson on Woodguy’s list. Similarly touted player who took a while to develop.

    Remember he got sent down to the AHL in year 3 and some started calling him a bust while others here wanted to buy low on him while there was a chance.

    Nurse may follow a similar path. Larsson will never bring the offense, and health and handedness aside I prefer Klefbom, but he is becoming a strong number two and that could be what Nurse becomes.

    Patience. Larsson got it together last season at 22 and has continued on it this year at 23. There’s still time for this type of player

  53. Woodguy says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Interesting splits for Nurse at the superficial (boxcar) level:

    First 21 games: 2-5-7, +1
    ——
    (Klefbom injured)
    —–
    Next 40 games: 0-1-1, -14

    Not sure how Woodguy’s fancies might line up but I find that a rather striking dividing line. By memory & by logic Nurse’s QC surged at that point that Oscar went down.

    McLellan moved him up with Sekera long before Klefbom was hurt.

    I went through *every* Oiler game on naturalstattrick.com to check.

    First game with Sekera full time was Nov 12 vs Coyotes.

    Fayne gets sent down Dec 9th, back on Dec 20th.

    First game back vs Jets on Dec 21st Nurse is still Sekera’s full time partner.

    Next game vs the Dys Sekera is with Fayne and it hasn’t moved much since.

    First game he was a Sekera regular was November

  54. Norman Greenbaum says:

    LT should do an RE with actors and movie titles.

  55. kinger_OIL says:

    spoiler,

    – I do not like when posters take snippets to misrepresent and create a false narrative.

    It depends what you mean when you say: “This is incorrect. Pronger struggled mightily when he came into the league” he disappointed as a #2 pick, but didnt struggle, not by numbers or history:

    – He went from 77 points in 61 games as a Junoir, to 30 points in his first year, playing every game. He had some “off ice issues” in his second season: drinking and driving I recall.

    – Like the Oilers today, the Whalers sucked, I give you that.

    – Chris Pronger was a a big-time elite prospect, with numbers to back it up. Nurses outer marker is not Ponger based on any reasonable projection. It never was

    – And by the way, Proger was traded for Brendan Shanahan, who remained a premier power forward for another 12 years. They did not give up on Pronger, they got great value for him.

    – Either get great value for Nurse or play him where he should be (I advocated he stay in the minors for a lot of this year).

    – Nurse is not same league as Pronger: not at draft, not after time in the NHL. I like Nurse

  56. Lowetide says:

    Final game of the WHL season underway (EDM-MH aside) as Portland plays Seattle. It has been a boring winter to follow Oilers prospects, they dont have many good ones and that is a fact. This game has Bear and Jones, and they have been a joy all year. Wonder if they post some crooked numbers tonight?

  57. JDï™ says:

    Randy Bachman’s CBC2 show seems to be themed on Genesis, and all the people who have played in the band. Lots of great RE stuff there for sure.

    One day – ONE DAY – we’ll get a Queen musical RE. And it will be the same song for every player/coach/GM/trainer/traveling secretary.

  58. JDï™ says:

    Looks like the Pens’ new D coach Gonchar has suggested that Jultz try shooting the puck with more force: https://www.nhl.com/video/schultzs-blistering-ppg/t-279358744/c-42749003

    #whodathunkit?

  59. Lowetide says:

    Caleb Jones with an apple on the first goal. My word what a year, he is 72, 10-45-55 with two periods to go.

  60. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Lowetide: in my RE I basically divided a season between Nurse and Reinhart because that is how NHL teams do it. Never sent him back.

    LT,
    How can you and so many others here see all these players get mismanaged yet the “powers that be” within the organization consistently make the incorrect call?

  61. The Hermit says:

    JDï™,

    http://youtu.be/04854XqcfCY

    Is this the one? 🙂

  62. JDï™ says:

    The Hermit: Is this the one? 🙂

    Over and over and over and over, again and again and again and afuckinggain.

  63. Lowetide says:

    Klima’s_Bucket: LT,
    How can you and so many others here see all these players get mismanaged yet the “powers that be” within the organization consistently make the incorrect call?

    Well, you hope they learn! 🙂 I think Chiarelli had the right idea, but his helpers did a little to much cya. Suspect we see a different summer.

  64. spoiler says:

    kinger_OIL: It depends what you mean when you say: “This is incorrect. Pronger struggled mightily when he came into the league” he disappointed as a #2 pick, but didnt struggle, not by numbers or history:
    – He went from 77 points in 61 games as a Junoir, to 30 points in his first year, playing every game. He had some “off ice issues” in his second season: drinking and driving I recall.

    You’re splitting semantical hairs. The Whalers expected more from Prongs and he didn’t deliver. Involvement in the bar brawl and the DUI 3 days after his rookie season didn’t help–but it was a full disappointing season after that he was moved. He, unlike Nurse, was directionless and, like Nurse, playing where he shouldn’t be. He was traded after two seasons, much the same way many are advocating here for Nurse and subsequently blossomed. There’s enough similarities to make a comparison legit and a trade a concern (while not necessarily making the trade wrong but you better get paid in full).

  65. sliderule says:

    kinger_OIL,

    Nurse is a much better skater than Pronger ever was.

    One of reasons Lowe was able to get Pronger was that with the removal of center line it was thought he wouldn’t be able to keep up.It turned out that he was smart enough he didn’t need to have great wheels.

    Nurse will never have Prongers offensive instincts and passing.

    Nurse could not run a power play in junior so I doubt he will ever be effective there.

    To my eyes Nurse is a better fighter who wants to hurt whoever he fights .

    They both have a mean streak that Pronger under the old rules could use more than Nurse but you better beleive he has it.

  66. Norman Greenbaum says:

    sliderule: Nurse is a much better skater than Pronger ever was.

    Eh?

    Thing is with Hall of Fame elite players is that they’re very good in all aspects of the game.

  67. JDï™ says:

    sliderule: One of reasons Lowe was able to get Pronger was that with the removal of center line it was thought he wouldn’t be able to keep up.

    I remember it more as ‘with the new rules against assault, Pronger won’t be an effective defender’.

  68. G Money says:

    Lowetide:
    Fayne and Nurse lead the team in D-zone starts via Hockey-reference. Again, don’t know what they are measuring (offensive and defensive add up to 100 percent, are they ignoring NZ starts?)

    http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/EDM/

    Yeah, there are two common ways to calculate zone starts: DZ/OZ and DZ/NZ/OZ. I calculate both, and used to publish them in my postgames as “OZ%2” and “OZ%3” respectively.

    In my books, the correct way to calculate is neither – it is to incorporate the zonestart number into total shifts.

    Otherwise you way overstate the importance of zone starts (an error made by a few here).

    I normalize zone starts by shift count for every player but don’t publish it. It’s a bit wonky because i can’t fully accomodate for EV vs special teams shifts. But even so, IMO it’s way more reflective of reality than are either of the two versions above.

    The only other place you can get that shift based info as far as I know is from Bruce’s distant relative, Micah Blake.

    If at any time anyone is curious to see those numbers, I will happily post the info here.

  69. sliderule says:

    Norman Greenbaum,

    What is your point

    Nurse is a much better skater than Pronger ever was .That is a fact.

  70. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Off Topic:
    Which teams in your opinion have the best group of Dmen in the Eastern Conference?

  71. Norman Greenbaum says:

    sliderule:
    Norman Greenbaum,

    What your point

    Nurse is a much better skater than Pronger ever was .That is a fact.

    No it isn’t. Just how you see it.

    Your saying, that as an underdeveloped prospect not named Connor McDavid, Nurse is now a better skater than HoF, Norris winnig,elite d-man Pronger was at any point in his career?

    Uh-huh. Riiiight.

  72. Younger Oil says:

    Was looking at the stats of some of the Oilers, and was very surprised with just how much Hall has struggled since McDavid came back.

    Only 8 points in his last 22 games (10 in 24 games since McDavid has returned), and hasn’t recorded a mulit-point game in 27 games.

    Draisaitl similar, 8 points in last 22, 11 in 24 since McDavid came back.

    Surprised that the coach hasn’t really tried splitting them up.

  73. Oil2Oilers says:

    Connor McDavid makes it difficult to eat ones dinner when he is on the Ice.

  74. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Younger Oil:
    Was looking at the stats of some of the Oilers, and was very surprised with just how much Hall has struggled since McDavid came back.

    Only 8 points in his last 22 games (10 in 24 games since McDavid has returned), and hasn’t recorded a mulit-point game in 27 games.

    Draisaitl similar, 8 points in last 22, 11 in 24 since McDavid came back.

    Surprised that the coach hasn’t really tried splitting them up.

    Bruce pointed this out to me, but look at Hall since Klefbom went down. He has played 44 games at a 45-point / -30 clip over 82 games. 17G-28A-45P -30 pace

    It may not be hyperbole to state that Klefbom is the straw that stirs the team’s drink.

  75. Lowetide says:

    Item on Pronger from his draft day, mentions needing to work on his speed (from the player). This shouldn’t come as a surprise, Pronger had pretty much everything else. It should also be mentioned speed then is not speed now.
    http://articles.courant.com/1993-06-27/sports/0000100142_1_whalers-nhl-draft-chris-pronger

  76. jm363561 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    We had this discussion back in the fall.

    Is Nurse one of the six best D? Yes.
    Should he therefore be in the lineup? My vote was no.
    Full season in the AHL, if not at least half the season.

    The best thing for the team isn’t necessarily the best thing for the player.
    ======

    I knew there was someone else who agreed with me.

  77. Lowetide says:

    Oilers doing a good job of making sure Laurent Brossoit gets plenty of work early. They are good that way.

  78. Lowetide says:

    Yakupov flies the zone. Lordy. All the things around the blue that he do.

  79. russ99 says:

    I hope Broissoit has a good period, no weak goals. Needs something to build on.

  80. jm363561 says:

    It may not be hyperbole to state that Klefbom is the straw that stirs the team’s drink

    I have not read all of the last few days threads but I keep Googling and have no idea when kBom might return or what Davidson’s injury is (other than a rumour it was the MCL). Anyone have any news? Is either injury career threatening?

  81. Clay says:

    Fun fact (that means nothing)…

    In his 45 games with the Oilers this year, Jultz played less than 16 minutes only 4 times. In his 8 games in Pittsburg, Jultz has played less than 16 minutes 7 times.

    I bet he does much better with proper usage.

  82. square_wheels says:

    Klima’s_Bucket,

    Carolina if you’re looking at high end depth.

  83. russ99 says:

    JDï™:
    Looks like the Pens’ new D coach Gonchar has suggested that Jultz try shooting the puck with more force: https://www.nhl.com/video/schultzs-blistering-ppg/t-279358744/c-42749003

    #whodathunkit?

    Saw that, nice goal. It’s early but he’s doing well not doing too much at 12-15 min a night with crease clearer Ian Cole to clean up for his mistakes,

    Something lots of us wanted the Oiilers to do 2-3 years ago…

  84. square_wheels says:

    How did that not go in????

  85. Lowetide says:

    Oilers should be ahead, but at least they have evened things out.

  86. rich says:

    square_wheels,

    Puck went off Maroon’s stick and deflected wide.

  87. frjohnk says:

    An offensive D man would have put that in.

  88. square_wheels says:

    Rexall DJ is pretty damn good, finally.

  89. JDï™ says:

    russ99: Something lots of us wanted the Oiilers to do 2-3 years ago…

    The usage of Jultz is a downright mystery. Like the call was coming from the grassy knoll…

  90. jake70 says:

    rich:
    square_wheels,

    Puck went off Maroon’s stick and deflected wide.

    \
    Maroon likely( I hope) did not realize the net was empty.

  91. G Money says:

    Dashboards, forgot to post before game.

    EDM http://i.imgur.com/6fns0E2.png

    COL http://i.imgur.com/PXyWzRF.png

    It’s kind of amazing that not a single COL regular is a plus possession player at even strength.

  92. kinger_OIL says:

    jm363561,

    – Me three, re: Nurse: much to the chagrin of many here…Got the masses angry, won a bet to boot!

    – I wanted Nurse&Griff shuffle: Griff has marinated longer, Nurse been on hot spot of BBQ too long

  93. Zelepukin says:

    Lowetide:
    Yakupov flies the zone. Lordy. All the things around the blue that he do.

    There are no blue lines in Russia. Only red.

  94. square_wheels says:

    How the fuck was that not a trip ? French ref ???

  95. Clay says:

    Pretty hard to tell the Oilers even had a powerplay there.

  96. russ99 says:

    JDï™,

    Three things MacT did that are unforgivable:

    1. Skype firing of Ralph, gut hiring of Eakins
    2. Caving on Gagner on arb day and then Dithers-like delay on dealing him
    3. Peddling Schultz out there like he’s Doughty, on and off the ice.

  97. leadfarmer says:

    I think the one trick pony drop pass in the neutral zone has been scouted and been figured out a long time ago. If the team tries to stand you up at the blue line you have to chip it past them

  98. Kitchener says:

    kinger_OIL,

    That’s a problem with a “burn it to the ground” rebuild: too many hot spots on the BBQ.

  99. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    russ99:
    JDï™,

    Three things MacT did that are unforgivable:

    1. Skype firing of Ralph, gut hiring of Eakins
    2. Caving on Gagner on arb day and then Dithers-like delay on dealing him
    3. Peddling Schultz our there like he’s Doughty.

    Petry.

    Also he caved on Schultz’ contract. In a non-arb year he never should have been given 3.675M guaranteed when Subban got 2.5M per over two years during that same time.
    Imagine there would have been more patience and leeway if his qualifying offer was 2.6M instead of almost 4.

  100. leadfarmer says:

    jake70,

    He tried to get out of the way and just happened to get in the way. Really like the Maroon acquisition. Not used to see one of our own guys go to the tough areas this much

  101. Kitchener says:

    LB can exhale during intermission.

  102. jake70 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Bruce pointed this out to me, but look at Hall since Klefbom went down. He has played 44 games at a 45-point / -30 clip over 82 games. 17G-28A-45P -30 pace

    It may not be hyperbole to state that Klefbom is the straw that stirs the team’s drink.

    Hall scored 80 points in 13-14, Klef played 17 games that year.

  103. G Money says:

    *** 5v5 FANCIES SUMMARY ***
    CF% = 43.9 +18 -23
    SACF% = 42.5 +17.5 -23.7
    FF% = 41.9 +13 -18
    DFF% = 45.3 +17.1 -20.7
    *** GAME FANCIES SUMMARY ***
    GF% = nan +0 -0
    FOW% = 40.0 +4 -6

  104. JDï™ says:

    russ99: Peddling Schultz out there like he’s Doughty, on and off the ice.

    If MacT’s influence carried over to McLellan’s usage of Jultz, that is akin to the MIC, CIA, KGB and the mob, all rolled into one!

  105. Zelepukin says:

    leadfarmer:
    I think the one trick pony drop pass in the neutral zone has been scouted and been figured out a long time ago.If the team tries to stand you up at the blue line you have to chip it past them

    It’s especially ineffective when you do it before the red line. Both times the forward covering the puck carrier had enough time to readjust after the drop pass, closing off the new puck carrier.

  106. G Money says:

    Oh oh, my own scripts are coming up with different calculations dammit!

  107. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Yak is only ever useful with McDavid, RNH has no help on his line-why the hell is Korpse on that line?

    Maroon-McDavid-Yakupov
    Hendricks/Khaira-RNH-Eberle

  108. russ99 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Petry.

    Also he caved on Schultz’ contract. In a non-arb year he never should have been given 3.675M guaranteed when Subban got 2.5M per over two years during that same time.
    Imagine there would have been more patience and leeway if his qualifying offer was 2.6M instead of almost 4.

    Agree, MacT would never hold the line on a contract, he was a poor negotiator, should have let the cap guy handle that.

    Petry may have been compounded by the bad decision on Schultz, but he didn’t want to play for Eakins anymore, and wasn’t going to sign a multi-year deal. It’s wasnt an either-or decision many make it out to be,

    IMO, caving on Gagner then moving when his trade value was rock-bottom for another bad contract was much worse than screwing up on Petry.

    But yeah, we could ill afford dumping one of our few good defensemen…

  109. flyfish1168 says:

    Clay:
    Fun fact (that means nothing)…

    In his 45 games with the Oilers this year, Jultz played less than 16 minutes only 4 times.In his 8 games in Pittsburg, Jultz has played less than 16 minutes 7 times.

    I bet he does much better with proper usage.

    Scores his 1st goal as a penguin tonight

  110. G Money says:

    This is a more typical game than the VAN game – slow start, pushback starting late in period.

    Guess that means a loss is brewing.

  111. Lowetide says:

    G Money:
    Oh oh, my own scripts are coming up with different calculations dammit!

    Can you open the pod bay doors?

  112. Ice Sage says:

    Good period.
    Osterle grows on me.

  113. G Money says:

    Lowetide: Can you open the pod bay doors?

    There’s a greater than 90% chance that my death will in fact be preceded by a request to my scripts followed by them politely declining.

  114. square_wheels says:

    JDï™,

    Yes, G posted it last night. It’s a conspiracy to tabernac us every night, not just Saturdays

  115. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    jake70: Hall scored 80 points in 13-14, Klef played 17 games that year.

    Yes. But in the post mortem of this season we must absolutely ask the questions about why Hall had a horrible final 50 games.
    There are a number of theories to explore.

  116. spoiler says:

    Don’t know if the fanbase still cares, but I believe Komrade Horkoff will play his 1000th game against the Laffs of Toronto on Thursday night, Gord willing. Please include a bottle of vodka in your grocery shopping this week.

  117. Lowetide says:

    If the Nuge line was a horse, they’d shoot it.

  118. JDï™ says:

    spoiler: Please include a bottle of vodka in your grocery shopping this week.

    You mean, one extra?

  119. leadfarmer says:

    Ahl D Ahling

  120. John Chambers says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Off Topic:
    Which teams in your opinion have the best group of Dmen in the Eastern Conference?

    Washington. Carlson probably belongs in the conversation for Norris, while Orpik, Niskanen, Orlov, and Alzner all play steady.

    Also Tampa. Hedman and Stralman are the goods.

    Beyond that Garrison and Coburn are good, although I’m not sure how Matt Carle fell off.

  121. Klima's_Bucket says:

    I didn’t like Brossoit on that play.

  122. godot10 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Yes. But in the post mortem of this season we must absolutely ask the questions about why Hall had a horrible final 50 games.
    There are a number of theories to explore.

    1) Draisaitl ran out of gas. Young big player. No old man endurance yet.
    2) The putrid power play. #ThoroughlyMediocreCoach’s PP sucks.
    3) The AHL defense.
    4) Eberle’s slow recovery from injury, and Nugent-Hopkins slow recovery from the flu enabled the oppostion to concentrate on Hall.
    5) Pouliot’s injury, meant McDavid gets Maroon instead of Hall…as they are trying to get McDavid the Calder.

  123. Lowetide says:

    Bear with an assist very late, 69, 19-46-65 on the year. Well done, young man.

  124. BeerMe says:

    G Money: There’s a greater than 90% chance that my death will in fact be preceded by a request to my scripts followed by them politely declining.

    Aspiring software engineer here, ever thought about completely automating your scripts on a web app for people to browse? No idea how much manual tinkering is involved in your work but assuming there isn’t too much, it wouldn’t be too hard to have a web app automatically scrape the NHL data and generate all of your visualizations (for all NHL teams potentially, not just Oilers). Also out of curiosity what language/framework are your scripts written in (R, D3, etc)?

    The biggest concern would be how things could break whenever the NHL changes their data formatting etc.

  125. russ99 says:

    Yak,,sooo close.

  126. godot10 says:

    Lowetide:
    If the Nuge line was a horse, they’d shoot it.

    Putting Nugent-Hopkins with Korpikoski and Yakupov is just so demonstrative of how #ThoroughlyMediocreCoach is an mediocre bench coach with a lousy feel for combinations.

  127. Johnny skid says:

    Lowetide:
    If the Nuge line was a horse, they’d shoot it.

    look good on my television.

  128. russ99 says:

    godot10: 1) Draisaitl ran out of gas.Young big player.No old man endurance yet.
    2) The putrid power play.#ThoroughlyMediocreCoach’s PP sucks.
    3) The AHL defense.
    4) Eberle’s slow recovery from injury, and Nugent-Hopkins slow recovery from the flu enabled the oppostion to concentrate on Hall.
    5) Pouliot’s injury, meant McDavid gets Maroon instead of Hall…as they are trying to get McDavid the Calder.

    Agreed, except #3, Hall’s pushed the river even with our crappiest defense, I’d change that to the whole Dellow dump vs. carry thing, with McLellan not letting him carry it in since the Montreal day game debacle when everyone forgot we play systems hockey now.

  129. leadfarmer says:

    We really could use a Barrie or two.

    I really hope they bring in another goalie for next season. Brossoit needs more seasoning and at least another year in the AHL. He tracks the puck very well, is a tad slow though both reaction time and movement. Rebound control needs more work too. What I’m saying is he looks like a really good AHL goalie playing in the NHL. If Talbot were to get injured I would not want my season on his shoulders.

  130. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Johnny skid: look good on my television.

    I can’t say I’d ever want to see a horse shot on my television.

  131. godot10 says:

    godot10: 1) Draisaitl ran out of gas.Young big player.No old man endurance yet.
    2) The putrid power play.#ThoroughlyMediocreCoach’s PP sucks.
    3) The AHL defense.
    4) Eberle’s slow recovery from injury, and Nugent-Hopkins slow recovery from the flu enabled the oppostion to concentrate on Hall.
    5) Pouliot’s injury, meant McDavid gets Maroon instead of Hall…as they are trying to get McDavid the Calder.

    6) The league had finally had enough tape to defense Draisaitl’s tendencies with Hall.

  132. Johnny skid says:

    Klima’s_Bucket: I can’t say I’d ever want to see a horse shot on my television.

    especially if the horses name was nuge.

  133. Klima's_Bucket says:

    I was hoping Mark Fayne would have been able to ice the puck on that PK when he had the chance.
    Edit: I was also hoping he’d block Barrie’s shot instead of tipping it in past Brossoit.

  134. John Chambers says:

    godot10,

    Part of it has to also be six frustrating years with no meaningful games over the back half of the season.

    Not criticizing Hall per se, but it’s reasonable to suggest responsibility for the lack of execution also lies with young Taylor.

  135. Ice Sage says:

    Special teams… they’re something important.

  136. Captain's Log says:

    The Oilers putting in a classic Oilers 2nd period performance…

  137. Oil2Oilers says:

    Johnny skid: especially if the horses name was nuge.

    No wonder that line dose not work; Nuge is a horse, Yak a bee and Korpikoski is from a Mythical country.

  138. G Money says:

    BeerMe: Aspiring software engineer here, ever thought about completely automating your scripts on a web app for people to browse? No idea how much manual tinkering is involved in your work but assuming there isn’t too much, it wouldn’t be too hard to have a web app automatically scrape the NHL data and generate all of your visualizations (for all NHL teams potentially, not just Oilers). Also out of curiosity what language/framework are your scripts written in (R, D3, etc)?

    The biggest concern would be how things could break whenever the NHL changes their data formatting etc.

    My plan is to have everything available online eventually. The main issue is the server horsepower needed to keep everything up to date and secure, and the bandwidth to let people access it.

    Greg Sinclair (hockeystats.ca) has offered to host my stuff, so over the summer, it may in fact become available that way, saving me a LOT of hassle.

    Everything’s coded in Python (python, numpy, scipy, pandas, seaborn, plus a bunch of supporting libraries).

  139. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Has anyone ever asked the coach why Letestu gets far too much PP time?

  140. JDï™ says:

    Klima’s_Bucket: why Letestu gets far too much PP time?

    The grassy knoll?

  141. G Money says:

    I found the error in my script – it was a reversed parameter. I had

    stats_collector.becomeSelfAware( True )

    instead of the more sensible

    stats_collector.becomeSelfAware( False )

    Just trying to shut the thing down, if you don’t hear from me in three days, send 2L of Jolt Cola, a carton of Dubble Bubble, and Hawaiian pizza from the 109th St Pizza 73.

  142. Woogie63 says:

    Maybe TMcL could test less PP for 55

  143. Centre of attention says:

    Letestu is not a first unit powerplay guy. He had a chance with time&space in the slot on that last power play, fired it right into the goalies pads. Like COME ON man…

  144. Johnny skid says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Has anyone ever asked the coach why Letestu gets far too much PP time?

    fourth liners all-across the league are envious of letestu.

  145. Zeabs93 says:

    Drew and Kevin: “What an outstanding chance there by Letestu!!”

    Replay proceeds to show Letestu shooting it right into the goalies pads…

    lol

  146. G Money says:

    In the same way that Korpikoski’s few good games seem to come when he gets ripped here worse than usual, I’m hoping that Nurse scores tonight.

  147. Madtown Oil says:

    Does it make sense that the line blender–motivated by ‘needing to see what we have’–includes RNH and McD on the same line, while pp is large untouched?

  148. JDï™ says:

    Drink when you hear the Spurtznet crew mention which team is first in the league in blocked shots.

  149. Johnny skid says:

    JDï™:
    Drink when you hear the Spurtznet crew mention which team is first in the league in blocked shots.

    lol spurtznet.

  150. G Money says:

    *** 5v5 FANCIES SUMMARY ***
    CF% = 42.9 +24 -32
    SACF% = 40.3 +22.9 -33.9
    FF% = 37.2 +16 -27
    DFF% = 38.4 +20.0 -32.1
    *** GAME FANCIES SUMMARY ***
    GF% = 0.0 +0 -2
    FOW% = 32.1 +9 -19

  151. Lowetide says:

    Oilers are a funny team. I predicted 4-1 today on the ON GDT and had a couple of pangs of regret. You know, I am a fan and that is a crappy thing to write when you know other people will read it. I kind of predict a loss on a night when I am hoping they shock me, really show up and drill the other team. 0-2 after two.

  152. JDï™ says:

    Johnny skid: lol spurtznet.

    Well that intermission with Spec and Geno did nothing to kill the meme.

  153. godot10 says:

    John Chambers:
    godot10,

    Part of it has to also be six frustrating years with no meaningful games over the back half of the season.

    Not criticizing Hall per se, but it’s reasonable to suggest responsibility for the lack of execution also lies with young Taylor.

    Did you note the first 40 games that Crosby and Getzlaf had this year?

  154. G Money says:

    Forgot to post the

    H2H http://i.imgur.com/1YhjB97.png

    and

    Gameflow http://i.imgur.com/TAGvWSC.png

    and

    Players/Pairs/Lines DFF http://i.imgur.com/Kl9lKuI.png

    for those that don’t Twitterize.

    Not a lot rhyming for this team.

  155. Ice Sage says:

    Nice team goal.

  156. Lowetide says:

    Great play by Reinhart on that play. He won’t get an assist but he deserves one.

  157. rich says:

    Better period so far. Creating chances.

    Colorado broadcasters call a good game.

  158. geowal says:

    Silly McDavid: stole that pick too early. ?

  159. Lloyd B. says:

    Norman Greenbaum: So you did remember where you heard it.You didn’t tell the truth.

    I’ll look it up!Remember Rex (I think) recommending ‘The Ghost Map’.It’s what I love about this blog; the intangibles!

    Read the Big Short last week. Highly recommend.
    Also read The Frackers last week. The two together provide an unbelievable background to the oil crash.

  160. Acumen says:

    That was a bizarre call, McDavid had his stick slashed into the offending party’s face and gets called on the high stick. So Oilers. And of course they score.

  161. Lowetide says:

    A nice little play there by Pakarinen on the PK, getting the puck out. Nice goal by the Avs later, 3-1 now.

  162. Ice Sage says:

    Whaddya know… special teams making a diff

  163. Halfwise says:

    Oh THAT’s what to do on the PP. Good goal, wrong team.

  164. Acumen says:

    Seeing Yakupov, Reinhart and Nurse all real good tonight. Clendening is looking real bad.

    It is really hard to care about this team now. It’ll be fun when the season mercifully ends and I can do my annual get behind the Blackhawks routine.

  165. Klima's_Bucket says:

    The last Avs PP goal is where Letestu plays.
    Unfortunately Blake fucking Comeau has more talent tipping in those Sedin type redirects.

    Hey Todd, why not mix up the PP down the stretch?

  166. Woogie63 says:

    Have the Oiler’s declared Davidson’s injury?

  167. JDï™ says:

    Woogie63: Davidson’s injury?

    I believe it was ‘soul crushing’.

  168. Woogie63 says:

    JDï™,

    Ha, is there surgery required?

  169. JDï™ says:

    Woogie63: surgery required?

    Not sure. I sold mine in ’09.

  170. Ryan says:

    Acumen:
    Seeing Yakupov, Reinhart and Nurse all real good tonight. Clendening is looking real bad.

    It is really hard to care about this team now. It’ll be fun when the season mercifully ends and I can do my annual get behind the Blackhawks routine.

    I watched about five intermittent minutes of the game.

    I saw Yak turn the puck over at the right half wall which he does often on the PP.

    He fired a puck wide which he does often.

    He passed the puck to Hall who had two Colorado players right beside him who then turned the puck over from the ensuing double team.

    He turned the puck over at the Oilers blue line which he does often.

    It’s always the same old story when I watch Yak,

    What did I miss?

  171. JDï™ says:

    Once again, Letestu starts the 1PP.

  172. Lowetide says:

    Eberle to Yakupov who isn’t looking for the pass. Le sigh.

  173. Ice Sage says:

    Lowetide:
    Eberle to Yakupov who isn’t looking for the pass. Le sigh.

    For me, le chuckle… it is kinda funny

  174. Klima's_Bucket says:

    With every passing day, the people that thought coach Todd was a good hire get a little more quiet.
    Both Buffalo and Toronto play with far more structure and a lot less talent.

  175. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide:
    Eberle to Yakupov who isn’t looking for the pass. Le sigh.

    Yaks just “Not that into it”

    Also, Nuge scored.

  176. Johnny skid says:

    Ryan: What did I miss?

    about ten other players who’s name could be put in place of yaks and your comment would still be correct.

  177. Ice Sage says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    With every passing day, the people that thought coach Todd was a good hire get a little more quiet.
    Both Buffalo and Toronto play with far more structure and a lot less talent.

    Still think TMac was a good hire but it’s a 2-3 year process. I’m disappointed in the PP.

  178. frjohnk says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    With every passing day, the people that thought coach Todd was a good hire get a little more quiet.
    Both Buffalo and Toronto play with far more structure and a lot less talent.

    Talking bout coaches?

    Godot in 3,2,1….

  179. Halfwise says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    With every passing day, the people that thought coach Todd was a good hire get a little more quiet.
    Both Buffalo and Toronto play with far more structure and a lot less talent.

    Lots of conclusions could be drawn from your second sentence, if it’s true, that don’t relate to your first sentence.
    Let’s not change the head coach for a while.

  180. jake70 says:

    Scoring off a one timer….it’s a thing…a nice thing.

  181. AsiaOil says:

    Also require players who accept structure and responsibility – and there are serious questions whether some of our special young men are actually “coachable” for more than short periods of time.

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    With every passing day, the people that thought coach Todd was a good hire get a little more quiet.
    Both Buffalo and Toronto play with far more structure and a lot less talent.

  182. Woogie63 says:

    JDï™,

    I hope you got some lottery numbers because we are still at the bottom of the league and I have not seen Pronger or Gretzky suit up in a meaningful game.

  183. G Money says:

    Hard to read I know but here are the shift charts. The number on the right is my “DungeonPush” calculation, which tries to use actual coach-determined faceoffs and shift count to estimate how much a player was actually given a push or stuck in the dungeon.

    Not much of that tonight – Matt Hendricks had the toughest go of it, with TMc sending him out for 2 EV d zone faceoffs.

    Name,#,Average,Longest,Shifts/EVOZStart,Shifts/EVDZStart,Shifts/EVFODuring,DungeonPush
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins , 20 , 00:47 , 01:07 , 1 , 2 , 5 , -0.05
    Patrick Maroon , 21 , 00:53 , 01:36 , 1 , 0 , 4 , 0.05
    Jordan Eberle , 23 , 00:52 , 01:31 , 1 , 0 , 6 , 0.04
    Griffin Reinhart , 21 , 00:51 , 01:24 , 2 , 3 , 4 , -0.05
    Andrej Sekera , 27 , 00:51 , 02:02 , 4 , 2 , 7 , 0.07
    Nail Yakupov , 20 , 00:53 , 01:28 , 1 , 2 , 3 , -0.05
    Mark Fayne , 23 , 00:41 , 02:02 , 3 , 2 , 3 , 0.04
    Mark Letestu , 15 , 00:57 , 02:55 , 2 , 2 , 1 , 0.0
    Lauri Korpikoski , 16 , 00:45 , 01:19 , 2 , 2 , 2 , 0.0
    Jordan Oesterle , 26 , 00:52 , 01:50 , 3 , 2 , 8 , 0.04
    Adam Clendening , 19 , 00:40 , 01:12 , 0 , 0 , 5 , 0.0
    Iiro Pakarinen , 17 , 00:43 , 01:44 , 0 , 0 , 8 , 0.0
    Taylor Hall , 19 , 00:55 , 02:04 , 1 , 1 , 12 , 0.0
    Connor Mcdavid , 21 , 01:00 , 02:02 , 1 , 0 , 7 , 0.05
    Leon Draisaitl , 20 , 00:51 , 01:28 , 2 , 0 , 13 , 0.1
    Darnell Nurse , 26 , 00:44 , 01:46 , 2 , 1 , 7 , 0.04
    Zack Kassian , 15 , 00:50 , 01:46 , 2 , 2 , 4 , 0.0
    Matt Hendricks , 13 , 00:41 , 01:01 , 1 , 2 , 1 , -0.08

  184. godot10 says:

    The coach complains about not winning faceoffs in the post-game…but the coach has put Lander in the pressbox for the last month.

  185. JDï™ says:

    Woogie63:
    JDï™,

    I hope you got some lottery numbers because we are still at the bottom of the league and I have not seen Pronger or Gretzky suit up in a meaningful game.

    Some context please, my lubricious friend. The most difficult arguments to endorse, are the ones we can’t remember.

  186. Bank Shot says:

    Well we know that the problem last year surely wasn’t, “The goalie you stupids”.

    The Oilers have gotten solid goaltending for the most part this season, miles better than last season, and they are sitting in pretty much exactly the same spot in the league standings.

    The core is weak, and the depth is poor.

    They need to tweak the core, and add depth. Tall order.

    Hopefully Chiarelli hits a grand slam in the offseason. We can’t take much more of this.

  187. wheatnoil says:

    G Money:
    Hard to read I know but here are the shift charts.The number on the right is my “DungeonPush” calculation, which tries to use actual coach-determined faceoffs and shift count to estimate how much a player was actually given a push or stuck in the dungeon.

    Not much of that tonight – Matt Hendricks had the toughest go of it, with TMc sending him out for 2 EV d zone faceoffs.

    Name,#,Average,Longest,Shifts/EVOZStart,Shifts/EVDZStart,Shifts/EVFODuring,DungeonPush
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins , 20 , 00:47 , 01:07 , 1 , 2 , 5 , -0.05
    Patrick Maroon , 21 , 00:53 , 01:36 , 1 , 0 , 4 , 0.05
    Jordan Eberle , 23 , 00:52 , 01:31 , 1 , 0 , 6 , 0.04
    Griffin Reinhart , 21 , 00:51 , 01:24 , 2 , 3 , 4 , -0.05
    Andrej Sekera , 27 , 00:51 , 02:02 , 4 , 2 , 7 , 0.07
    Nail Yakupov , 20 , 00:53 , 01:28 , 1 , 2 , 3 , -0.05
    Mark Fayne , 23 , 00:41 , 02:02 , 3 , 2 , 3 , 0.04
    Mark Letestu , 15 , 00:57 , 02:55 , 2 , 2 , 1 , 0.0
    Lauri Korpikoski , 16 , 00:45 , 01:19 , 2 , 2 , 2 , 0.0
    Jordan Oesterle , 26 , 00:52 , 01:50 , 3 , 2 , 8 , 0.04
    Adam Clendening , 19 , 00:40 , 01:12 , 0 , 0 , 5 , 0.0
    Iiro Pakarinen , 17 , 00:43 , 01:44 , 0 , 0 , 8 , 0.0
    Taylor Hall , 19 , 00:55 , 02:04 , 1 , 1 , 12 , 0.0
    Connor Mcdavid , 21 , 01:00 , 02:02 , 1 , 0 , 7 , 0.05
    Leon Draisaitl , 20 , 00:51 , 01:28 , 2 , 0 , 13 , 0.1
    Darnell Nurse , 26 , 00:44 , 01:46 , 2 , 1 , 7 , 0.04
    Zack Kassian , 15 , 00:50 , 01:46 , 2 , 2 , 4 , 0.0
    Matt Hendricks , 13 , 00:41 , 01:01 , 1 , 2 , 1 , -0.08

    I don’t know how you do this numbers wizardry but this is a really cool idea.

  188. frjohnk says:

    The Nurse verbal today got me thinking and so I went to crunch some numbers about our D. (This is not really about Nurse just the D in general)

    Here is the TOI for our Dmen this year. 5 on 5.

    SEKERA 1217.33
    NURSE 1046.99
    FAYNE 882.65
    GRYBA 796.07
    DAVIDSON 777.24
    SCHULTZ 712.33
    KLEFBOM 483.39
    REINHART 318.99
    CLENDENING 214.66
    OESTERLE 155.67
    NIKITIN 155.3
    PARDY 108.61
    HUNT 77.77
    FERENCE 68.86

    So here I ranked the D on where they would have played on a balanced team.

    ONE, TWO =FIRST PAIRING
    THREE,FOUR = 2ND PAIRING
    FIVE, SIX = 3RD PAIRING
    SEVEN = EXTRA
    AHL = SELF EXPANATORY

    SEKERA THREE
    NURSE AHL/ROOKIE
    FAYNE FIVE
    GRYBA SEVEN
    DAVIDSON FIVE
    SCHULTZ SIX
    KLEFBOM THREE
    REINHART AHL/ROOKIE
    CLENDENING AHL/ROOKIE
    OESTERLE AHL/ROOKIE
    NIKITIN AHL
    PARDY SEVEN
    HUNT AHL
    FERENCE ECHL

    Mileage may very on the ranking as it might be off with a few Dmen, but it should be close enough to show how unbalanced this team really is.

    If we go to the TOI and rough D ranking and marry the two lists from above
    Out of 7015 even strength minutes played by our D collectively we have had

    -0% of that time filled by a 1st pairing D man
    -24% of the time filled by a 2nd pairing Dman
    -34% of the time filled by a 3rd pairing Dman
    -13% of the time filled by the number 7 Dman
    -29% of the time filled by AHL/rookie players

    Now that looks scary, but you know what really makes it look bad is when players are placed in above their heads. When Klefbom went down, Sekera and Nurse played 1st pairing. That meant that the Oilers D

    -had filled the 1st pairing role with a 2nd pairing Dman and a AHL/rookie
    -that pairing and injury meant there were two guys from the 3rd pairing playing 2nd pairing
    -and because the 3rd pairing guys where playing 2nd pairing, the actual 3rd pairing was a number 7 Dman and a AHL/rookie.

    SO FOR A MAJORITY OF THE YEAR, OILER DMEN HAVE BEEN PLAYING ABOVE THEIR HEADS. FOR SOME DMEN, THEY HAVE PLAYED WAY, WAY ABOVE THEIR HEADS!!!

    * I should add that while Davidson did fine in a top 4 role just before his injury, looking at his season overall from start to finish, he was a good number 5.

    A healthy Klefbom and Davidson and a step in the right direction from the rookies will go a long ways to the team improving next year but man we need help to fix that defence.

  189. Bruce McCurdy says:

    sliderule:
    Norman Greenbaum,

    What is your point

    Nurse is a much better skater than Pronger ever was .That is a fact.

    Chris Pronger was a poor skater the way Doug Harvey was a poor skater. Slow the game down to his pace & walk through it. Very good for conserving energy & playing 30 minutes.

    But when there was a footrace in open ice to a loose puck or to an icing, Pronger had wheels. He just didn’t employ that fifth gear very often. But he had it.

  190. frjohnk says:

    McDavid hits 40 points and is in 5th spot in rookie scoring.

    Player__GP__PT
    Panarin_71___63
    Eichel__72___49
    Domi___71___45
    Larkin__70___43
    McDavid_38__40

    7 games left

    Coyotes
    Sharks
    Kings
    Ducks
    Flames
    Canucks
    Canucks

    Can he get 10 points in the last 7?
    Sharks, Ducks and Kings will be tough games, if he can get 3 points here, not out of the question that he could run hot in the 4 games against the other bottom feeder Pacific teams.

    He hits 50 points and he makes the Calder voting very interesting. ( Even then I still think he does not win it)

  191. BONVIE says:

    Overall that was a pretty good game by the Oilers they have the majority of the forwards playing the right way. Colorado did a really good job playing this Western Conference Playoff style. The Oilers need to play with more intensity on that PP and start using their dman because Yakapov and Letetsu are not doing too much as the extra forward.

    Although Yakapov seems to be playing better as the season is winding down, he stills seems so lost as to how he needs to play. In puck battles he always skates to the play then glides and lets the other guy grab the puck then shadows the guy like a forward would do on the PK. On the cycles he seems to always be on the wrong side of the puck battle. In his own zone when the play is reversed to his side he seems to be about 2 seconds behind everyone else on the ice(both teams) in recognizing the reverse is coming and shifts to his wall well after his Dman needs him to be there.

    I did see Eberle in contrast make some really smart plays on the boards tonight in his own zone either a short pass back to his center or a quick chip passes the dman. He needs to do this consistently every game.

  192. Yeti says:

    G Money:
    Forgot to post the

    H2H http://i.imgur.com/1YhjB97.png

    and

    Gameflow http://i.imgur.com/TAGvWSC.png

    and

    Players/Pairs/Lines DFF http://i.imgur.com/Kl9lKuI.png

    for those that don’t Twitterize.

    Not a lot rhyming for this team.

    We love you. Don’t ever leave us again.

  193. Yeti says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Chris Pronger was a poor skater the way Doug Harvey was a poor skater. Slow the game down to his pace & walk through it. Very good for conserving energy & playing 30 minutes.

    This is so true. It seemed that, when he got the puck on his stick, time would slow down to a trickle – almost as if it was afraid of him. He would then glide forward, distribute the puck direct onto someone’s stick, and time would suddenly speed up again like the slo-mo button had been released. I really miss that miserable bastard.

  194. Zelepukin says:

    frjohnk:
    McDavid hits 40 points and is in 5th spot in rookie scoring.

    Player__GP__PT
    Panarin_71___63
    Eichel__72___49
    Domi___71___45
    Larkin__70___43
    McDavid_38__40

    7 games left

    Coyotes
    Sharks
    Kings
    Ducks
    Flames
    Canucks
    Canucks

    Can he get 10 points in the last 7?
    Sharks, Ducks and Kings will be tough games, if he can get 3 points here, not out of the question that he could run hot in the 4 games against the other bottom feeder Pacific teams.

    He hits 50 points and he makes the Calder voting very interesting.( Even then I still think he does not win it)

    He would already be at 50 if guys could cash in on prime passes or if he demanded the puck more.

    I imagine next year he’ll be at Nuge’s level of puck demand aka the 3rd Dman, aka actually the 2nd Dman, every shift.

  195. spoiler says:

    TMac was dead on with his criticism of the skilled forwards management of the puck during the PPs. Must be driving him nuts.

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