EVERYTHING YOU WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT THE 2016 DRAFT BUT WERE AFRAID TO ASK

by Lowetide

You know, I have been following the draft since about 1971 (two players in that draft were part of a national story, wrapped around the Memorial Cup—and it stuck with me) and most years have the NA kids sussed out by now. Usually, I am waiting for the World U18 Championships in April to be played, and the sources I use (Pronman, Red Line, ISS, Luedeke, Kournianos, etc) to write about the spikes and the dives. This year? We have some real changes going on among the NA group. That is news. Here is my updated list, hold on to your hat for some big spikes from the Ides of March.

  1. (1) C Auston Matthews, Zurich Lions (Swiss-A): He posted 36gp, 24-22-46 in the regular year and is 4, 0-3-3 in the playoffs. He is is 6.02, 194, looks like a plug and play.
  2. (2) W Patrik Laine, Tappara (Sm-Liiga): Laine  was 46gp, 17-16-33 in the SM-Liiga regular season and is 5, 2-2-4 in the playoffs. A 6.04, 207 power winger.
  3. (3) R Jesse Puljujarvi, Karpat (Sm-Liiga): Posted 50gp, 13-15-28 in the SM-Liiga regular season, and 1, 1-0-1 playoffs. Size, speed and creativity, complete range of skills.
  4. (4)  L Matthew Tkachuk, London Knights (OHL): Ended season at 57, 30-77-107 and is 2, 0-0-0 postseason. Highly skilled, Kournianos calls him the complete package.
  5. (6) LD Mikhail Sergachev, Windsor Spitfires (OHL): He spiked late and posted an OHL season of 67, 17-40-57 (finished 10, 3-11-14). He is also 2, 2-1-3 in the playoffs. Sergachev is also a fine skater and 6.02, 205—I now think he might be the best defender in the draft.
  6. (9) LD Olli Juolevi, London Knights (OHL): The Finn ended up 57gp, 9-33-42 after a solid finish to the season (14, 4-9-13 to end the year). He is 2gp, 0-1-1 in the playoffs. Smooth skater, great passer, and has a wide range of skills. Spiking in a major way.
  7. (12) C Pierre-Luc Dubois, Cape Breton Screaming Eagles (QMJHL): He finsihed 62, 42-57-99 and spiked over his last 14 games (12-18-30). He has good size—6.03, 201 and is described as a complete prospect. I moved him up based on assurances that his skating is not a major concern. It was mentioned in early scouting reports.
  8. (5) LD Jacob Chychrun, Sarnia Sting (OHL): Chychrun ended up 62gp, 11-38-49 on the year. He finished 22, 4-18-22 but seems to have slipped in the rankings based on what I am reading. Has played one playoff game. Fantastic skater.
  9. (8) C Michael McLeod, Mississauga Steelheads (OHL): He has one playoff game and was 57, 21-40-61 in the regular season. 6.02, 187. Playmaking power center and a fantastic skater, I think he is shy offensively.
  10. (13) R Alex DeBrincat, Erie Otters (OHL): He finished 60, 51-50-101 and has an assist in one playoff game.  He finished 8, 8-10-18. Small sniper, I think he belongs top 10.
  11. (7)R Alexander Nylander, Mississauga Steelheads (OHL): 57gp, 28-47-75 this season. A slick winger and a lot like his brother. He is 6.0, 172.
  12. (10) LD Jake Bean, Calgary Hitmen (WHL): He was 68gp, 24-40-64 overall and is 2, 0-2-2 in the playoffs. Bean is an effective, creative player with the puck. Intelligent defender with across the board skills. He is 6.01, 172.
  13. (18) RD Charlie McAvoy, Boston University (NCAA). He posted 37, 3-22-24 in college. 6.0, 205 he has some interesting offensive numbers for a draft-eligible college player. I bumped him partly because I am reading that he is a stunning passer. Love that skill. Complete skills.
  14. (11) C Clayton Keller, USNDTP (USHL): He was 22, 12-23-34 in the USHL, and 5.10, 170  Steve Kournianos: Keller is a strong, shifty skater with a powerful shot, displaying brilliance and hockey sense strikingly similar to Mitch Marner. 
  15. (14) RD Dante Fabbro, Penticton Vees (BCJHL): He finished 45gp, 14-53-67 overall. I talked to Kirk Luedeke about him, said he as a very mature young man. ISS Hockey: “Strong offensive instincts as a puck moving D. Excellent skating & effortless stride.” Source
  16. (16) L Tyson Jost, Penticton Vees (BCJHL). He is 48, 42-62-104. Elite Prospects: Crafty goal-scorer that carries out plays as quickly as he envisions them. 
  17. (23) R Vitalii Abramov, Gatineau Olympiques (QMJHL). Only 5.09, 170 he was 63, 38-55-93 in the Q this year. He is a May 1998, and he is pretty skilled. Finished 13, 7-12-19, his NHLE is 31.
  18. (19) C Luke Kunin, Wisconsin (NCAA): He is 34, 19-13-31 in the NCAA, that is a pretty good number for a draft eligible (Kunin is a December 1997). He is 6.0, 196, Kirk Luedeke says he has the skating and shot of a prolific scorer. Source
  19. (20) C-R Nathan Bastian, Mississauga Steelheads (OHL): He went 64, 19-40-59. At 6.04, 207 he possesses both good (and improving) speed and some offensive touch, along with some savvy defensively. Can play center, may help his number.
  20. (21) C-L Kieffer Bellows, USNDTP (USHL). He is 22, 15-16-31. A nice offensive forward with good size (6.01, 194) and a scorer’s touch. Described as a good power forward who is aggressive offensively.
  21. (15) R Taylor Raddysh, Erie Otters (OHL). He posted 67, 24-49-73 this year. Another big winger (6.02, 202), he has been called a power forward by some services.
  22. (24) G Carter Hart, Everett Silvertips (WHL): He was .925 at the end of January but ended the season at .918. I am not sure what happened, but he is injured now. Don’t know that he will be in my final top 30.
  23. (25) C Tage Thompson, Connecticut Huskies (NCAA). Older player, he is a giant and yet another NCAA player inside the top 30 this year. 6.05, 185 and 36, 14-18-32 this year. He is a legit skill player who had some injury issues earlier in his junior career. NHLE: 27 points.
  24. (26) L Riley Tufte, Fargo Force (USHL). He is 22, 8-2-10 in the USHL and beating the daylights out of high school goalies. Big winger (6.04, 205) with raw skills across a wide range. I have spoken to independent scouts and to Luedeke, and the buzz on this guy is pretty massive.
  25. (17) R Julien Gauthier, Val D’Or Foreurs (QMJHL): He is 54, 41-16-57 and a monster at 6.04, 224. Great hands, speed is an issue. Finished 9, 2-3-5 and has started his playoffs.
  26. (27) C-R Pascal Laberge, Victoriaville Tigres (QMJHL). He is 6.01, 172 and posted 56, 23-45-68 in the Q this year. Has two-way skills and is very aggressive.
  27. (28) C Logan Brown, Windsor Spitfires (OHL): He is 59, 21-53-74 and finished very strong. 6.06, 215 and has impressive offensive skills. A playmaker, the questions revolve around foot speed. Two points in two playoff games so far.
  28. (29) C German Rubtsov, Team Russia (MHL). He is 28, 12-14-26 in the MHL, and 3, 0-1-1 in the playoffs. Steve Kournianos of the Draft Analyst suggests he’s arguably the 2016 draft’s best two-way forward.
  29. (NR) LD Lucas Johansen, Kelowna Rockets (WHL).  He went 69, 10-39-49 this season and a late buzz has him inside the first round. He is listed at 6.01, 176 and is 2, 2-1-3 in the playoffs. Ended the regular season well, and is a point-per-game in his last 24 contests (including playoffs). A scout saw shades of Brent Seabrook in his game last spring, so we can assume he has a nice range of skills and could be trending in a big way.
  30. (22) LD Cam Dineen, North Bay Battalion (OHL): He was 68, 13-46-58 and just underay in the playoffs. Undersized at 6.0, 180 he is mobile, great passer. Steve Kournianos: Dineen is a high-end puck mover who likes to join the rush and communicates well with his teammates on the ice. Source.

OILERS CURRENT DRAFT SLOTS

  1. No. 2 overall
  2. No. 32 overall
  3. No. 62 overall
  4. No. 80 overall (Pittsburgh pick)
  5. No. 84 overall (Florida pick)
  6. No. 122 overall
  7. No. 148 overall (St. Louis pick)
  8. No. 152 overall
  9. No. 182 overall

If the Oilers keep their first three picks, I could see Peter Chiarelli drafting Patrik Laine, Lucas Johansen and Stepan Falkovsky. It is going to be a very interesting draft.

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Water Fire

Maybe St Louis would be interested in Yak, he is feisty and cheap. I’d want to gauge Shattenkirk’s interest in Canadian teams first.

reckless restraint

Candella would be a better choice than Falkovsky.

godot10

square_wheels:
NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

If this bush league is going to force teams to protect ANY player on LTIR, regardless of NMC, then clearly there should be a grievance by the NHLPA.

In the end though, I don’t know how there is enough disposable capital in the province of Quebec to fund an NHL team and sell advertisement and luxury boxes. Last time I looked at my T4 there was strong evidence that they still needed a healthy share of 49% of my income to keep their economy subsidized.

Vegas is another head scratcher, is every game going to be Friday or Saturday night ? The locals are not interested in hockey, let’s not pretend they will be. The team might be a novelty for the weekend party crowds but they aren’t heading to Vegas to watch expansion grade hockey for 3 hours on a Saturday night.

I think expansion is unlikely, highly unlikely if the markets continue to be unstable. We don’t need to worry about expansion until after the next CBA, this is all hot air from the league in preparation for the negotiations.

There is no LTIR during the summer once the new NHL year starts. LTIR starts with the roster cutdown to 23 players in October.

godot10

Lowetide:
Stoll and Greene for Lubo was a fine trade. Lubo was a fabulous player when he arrived, not his fault the game had passed Pat Quinn by.

No it wasn’t. One was trading players entering the prime of their career, for a mid-thirty something player, creating a massive hole in the key 25-29 year old age group of the roster.

There has never been a successful NHL team with a doughnut hole rosters of young twenty-somethings, and 30-somethings, which was Lowe and MacT’s strategy post SC final. Old guys and young guys, and trade away all the emerging mid-career guys (since they were perceived to have minor flaws).

It was also a deal where they forced their own hand, because they were dumping a mid-twenties D in Pitkanen.

So they dumped two emerging mid-twenties core players in Stoll and Pitkanen, and emerging young defensive D, for veterans Visnovsky and Cole, who were on the wrong side of 30.

Lousy roster management.

who

31saves:
This yakupov news has me bummed out… Regardless of the stats, he’s always been a personal favourite mine. I think the reason he was my favourite was how unpredictable he was..
By no means bragging, but after watching the nhl for so long, playing hockey for so long (in goal no less, so I’m watching the game from a very unique perspective) the play can get fairly repetitive. Sometimes I’ll try to predict what’s going to happen during the games, where they’ll shoot, pass, dump, skate.. Whatever.

Nail yakupov was always unpredictable. For that reason he commanded my attention every time he stepped onto the ice. For that reason, for better or worse, he was always the most exciting player on the ice (until Mcdavid came along of course).His positioning was strange, his awareness was odd, even his skating stride seemed bizarre.. Yet somehow he always seemed to be on the cusp of greatness. Perhaps the greatest metaphor for his short career thus far is his own shot. Amazing in all aspects, yet it just could never quite hit the mark.

Unfortunately, his unpredictability that makes him such an enjoyable player is also his downfall.. The coaches don’t like him, and too often do his teammates look away on a pass. Not that I can blame themselves, it’s hard to make a pass to a player like yakupov.
The puck could just as easily be in your own net as the opponents within the next 5 seconds. The stats back this up as well, unfortunately all too well, As we all know.

Despite all his flaws, he was an enigma, one i cheered like heck for as an oiler, will cheer like heck for
In the final few games, and will Cheer like heck for as a part of whatever organization he will inevitably
Move onto.

Overall, yakupov is an entertaining player. Me and my brother watch nearly every game, and sit at the edge of our seats when he steps on the ice in case he figures it out this time. In fact most of
The games we watch revolve Around him. Well sit and joke about what he’s doing on the ice, fake
Russian accents and all! We try to make sense why the (on paper) perfect pairing on nuge and yakupov Can never do well together. Our only conclusion is yakupov must tell awful,
Terrible punny jokes to nugent Hopkins on the bench, throwing off his game.

Sorry for the thread hijack(?), but I felt like I needed to vent about this a bit.. Honestly the team will probably be better off without nail. He’s been used as a third line forward, can’t play the pk, hardly knows defence (although getting it a lot better lately) and the coach doesn’t trust him In key situations. He’ll be replaced by a player who can do all those things and maybe chip in a few goals next year, maybe improving the team next year.

But for as much as its a business, hockey is just a game. It’s entertainment. To me, besides Connor Mcdavid, who is otherworldly, Nail Yakupov represented the entertainment part of The game to the letter. He may not be the best player on the ice, but hes always the most interesting. It sounds like his mind is set, but I hope he has a change of heart, for while the games will go on as they always have, but they just won’t even as much fun when he’s gone.

Wow. You’ve just described my feelings about yak perfectly. I also agree with you that watching hockey should be more about entertainment. I would take it one step further and say I would rather watch the oilers lose playing an entertaining style of hockey than see them win by grinding it out. My life ain’t gonna change if they win the cup so if I am going to commit three hours of my evening to watching them I want it to be enjoyable. That is why I root for the skill guys.

square_wheels

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

If this bush league is going to force teams to protect ANY player on LTIR, regardless of NMC, then clearly there should be a grievance by the NHLPA.

In the end though, I don’t know how there is enough disposable capital in the province of Quebec to fund an NHL team and sell advertisement and luxury boxes. Last time I looked at my T4 there was strong evidence that they still needed a healthy share of 49% of my income to keep their economy subsidized.

Vegas is another head scratcher, is every game going to be Friday or Saturday night ? The locals are not interested in hockey, let’s not pretend they will be. The team might be a novelty for the weekend party crowds but they aren’t heading to Vegas to watch expansion grade hockey for 3 hours on a Saturday night.

I think expansion is unlikely, highly unlikely if the markets continue to be unstable. We don’t need to worry about expansion until after the next CBA, this is all hot air from the league in preparation for the negotiations.

hunter1909

John Chambers:
If I’m Chiarelli I’m not in a hurry to trade Yakupov.

He’s inexpensive, he’s under team control, and despite the poor offence he has improved his overall game. His value is also rock-bottom.

No reason to see what a full healthy season with a quality centre might do for the young wing.

You might be 100% correct.

So far Chiarelli’s done nothing to worry me. It’s Oiler fans, reeking from the previous(and still collecting fat salaries) regime who want Chiarelli being crazy/stupid enough to trade Darnell Nurse off for a short term upgrade/long term nightmare.

Jaxon

Hey Lowetide,

I was all for one of Laine or Puljujarvi as all reports and scouting have been so positive on them. But there must be a disconnect in the NHLe for SM-Liiga as the NHLe of .29 puts Laine’s NHLE at 17pts and Puljujarvi’s NHLe at 13pts!! What gives? That seems like terrible offence for a top 3 player.

http://www.hockeyabstract.com/thoughts/updatedtranslationfactors

If they are much better offensively than their NHLe, then I would lean toward Puljujarvi. I know you have been leaning to Laine and I am a bit confused why. Just offence? Just a gut thing? Because your verbal often talks about how much you value speed, vision, smart player with a complete game (which all point to Puljujarvi). They both have decent size. You have also mentioned that the Oilers are in severe need of a righty to offset all the lefties (Puljujarvi is the only righty in the top of the draft). To me, Puljujarvi checks all your boxes, yet you put Laine ahead of Puljujarvi. Not a big deal. I’m guessing it’s purely offence, but neither have great NHLes and the verbal from scouts usually says there isn’t a lot of daylight between them but one is faster with a more complete game. With it looking like Yakupov is leaving town on the first available train, restocking the RW cupboard (with a right-hander) seems like an astute move.

Pouliot / McDavid / Eberle
Hall / Draisaitl / Kassian
Maroon / Nugent-Hopkins / Puljujravi
Hendricks (Slepyshev) / Letestu (Yakimov) / Yakupov (Pakarinen)

That’s an impressive top 9. I’d be interested to hear your thoughts.

hunter1909

Lowetide:
Stoll and Greene for Lubo was a fine trade. Lubo was a fabulous player when he arrived, not his fault the game had passed Pat Quinn by.

Yet the Whack-a-Mole management opines for the exact type of players they traded away, simultaneously mismanaging the ones they received from LAK.

hunter1909

Everything I ever read about the Senators reminds me of the pre-2005 Oilers.

A combination of Yakupov with other players, picks and prospects for Karlsson please, Chiarelli.

v4ance

Chris Nichols ‏@NicholsOnHockey

Supplemental to McKenzie’s thoughts on Yakupov via Montreal radio in that post, he was also on Edmonton radio last hour. Tweets to follow.

McKenzie: I think it’s fair to say before Yakupov was asking #Oilers for trade, Oilers were wide open to and probably trying to trade him.

“That’s not unusual,” to have #Oilers let Yakupov’s agent seek poss. trade, “especially when they’re eager to move the player on.”

asked if this story coming out hurts Yakupov’s trade value any more: “No, I don’t think so.” #Oilers

“I’ve never gotten the sense anybody is looking at it and saying, ‘Oh, this reflects poorly on Nail Yakupov.’

“There’s times where his play has reflected poorly on Yakupov, but this certainly doesn’t change anything.

GCW_69: They have sucked with him the last few seasons and they aren’t moving the team from Glendale. Sure the best marketing is winning but they haven’t been and they won’t for a while. So, as we oiler fans should know, the next best marketing strategy is selling hope. Matthews is the poster boy for selling hope, OEL is not.

You can choose to ignore the marketing angle all you want. It’s real. Is it strong enough to pull OEL out of Arizona? I don’t know.Is it strong enough to generate a conversation amongst Arizona management?Damn straight it is.

I am not ignoring any angle. But you seemed to have missed the memo that the Coyotes are likely to move from Glendale to Tempe.

That does wonders for the fans. There are way more hockey fans in Southeast Phoenix, Scottsdale, and Chandler. Plus that’s just an hour and a half from Tucson, where I temporarily reside and there are lots of Canadian hockey fans, as opposed to three hours from Tucson across Phoenix to Glendale.

Moving the team to Tempe would do much more for marketing and butts in seats than Matthews would.

PunjabiOil

Low IQ may be the definition of this post but who made gave you the right to say anything about anyone’s intelligence. Yak’s possession numbers and play in both ends have been just fine when he’s not chained to Letestu and Korpse. Really PJO – this is an embarrassing post that you should be ashamed of – a total drive by with zero content or evidence. .

Please re-read before being quick to going on a rant.

I wrote low hockey iq which is not the same as general iq. You can deny it until your face is blue but there is lots of evidence he doesn’t use his teammates well, doesn’t assert himself in position for his line mates, and despite a heavy shot is unable to use it well which has resulted in single digit shooting oercentage for the past three years. The only time he produced this year was with generational talent Connor with 10 points in the first 11 games.

If he was a late first rounder or not a fan favourite he would never garner the attention he does.

It’s also selective amnesia to suggest Krueger figured it out with him. If I call recall correctly he had something like 7 points in the final two games and there were concerns about his performance all season. It’s just he was in the honeymoon phase of his career at that time. An unsustainable 21 percent shooting percentage didn’t hurt either.

The first sign of adversity the next season and he’s requesting a trade through his agent.

Lets not shield ourselves from the uncomfortable truth.

John Chambers

If I’m Chiarelli I’m not in a hurry to trade Yakupov.

He’s inexpensive, he’s under team control, and despite the poor offence he has improved his overall game. His value is also rock-bottom.

No reason to see what a full healthy season with a quality centre might do for the young wing.

GCW_69

Woodguy:
I wonder if Yak + Fayne for Severson + 3rd or something like that is doable?

Might have to take more money back for Jersey to do the deal, but that would be a good outcome for both sides.

GCW_69

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: The best marketing is winning. OEL helps them win more than does Matthews.

Even better marketing in Arizona is moving the damn team from. Glendale to Phoenix/Scottsdale.

I think the Matthews for OEL because of marketing angle is so overplayed.

They have sucked with him the last few seasons and they aren’t moving the team from Glendale. Sure the best marketing is winning but they haven’t been and they won’t for a while. So, as we oiler fans should know, the next best marketing strategy is selling hope. Matthews is the poster boy for selling hope, OEL is not.

You can choose to ignore the marketing angle all you want. It’s real. Is it strong enough to pull OEL out of Arizona? I don’t know. Is it strong enough to generate a conversation amongst Arizona management? Damn straight it is.

hunter1909:
Re Yak getting traded:

Good teams invariably improve themselves whenever they make a trade. Poor teams invariably get worse(Oilers trading Stoll and Greene to the Kings for busts+picks is a perfect example).

Recently, Oilers have gifted Petry to the Habs and Schultz to the Pens. Now Yakupov’s about to get run out of Dodge.

What chance is there for this to turn out to be anything but a disaster?

I agree and am hopeful they find a way to work this out.

But didn’t they trade Stoll and Greene for Visnovsky? That guy was legit and would be the Oilers’ best D right now (at the time).

hunter1909

Re Yak getting traded:

Good teams invariably improve themselves whenever they make a trade. Poor teams invariably get worse(Oilers trading Stoll and Greene to the Kings for busts+picks is a perfect example).

Recently, Oilers have gifted Petry to the Habs and Schultz to the Pens. Now Yakupov’s about to get run out of Dodge.

What chance is there for this to turn out to be anything but a disaster?

AsiaOil

Only one word for this – bullshit.

Kruger figured out Yak very well thank you very much. Top rookie points scorer and goal scorer. Low IQ may be the definition of this post but who made gave you the right to say anything about anyone’s intelligence. Yak’s possession numbers and play in both ends have been just fine when he’s not chained to Letestu and Korpse. Really PJO – this is an embarrassing post that you should be ashamed of – a total drive by with zero content or evidence for any of the slander.

Delete my post if you want LT – just as long as you nuke the source as well.

PunjabiOil:
Re: Yakupov – a vancouver reporter last mentioned he wasn’t doing the drills properly and one of the assistant coaches told him do them properly or get off the ice.

4 coaches have not been able to figure out Yakupov.He’s a first overall pick and its on him to produce.
His shot which was once acclaimed in junior is in the single digits.This is what he is – low hockey iq limiting his ceiling.Unfortunate but now you cut your losses and move him.At the end of the day it’s a business and he has to perform – that’s life.

PokeCheck

I would be hesitant to take Tkachuk at #4. He’s benefited from playing on an ELITE line with two guys (Marner and Dvorak) who put up well over 100 points the year before without him and were both over 1ppg at the WJC this past year. I only caught a few of London’s games this year, but from what I saw it was Marner who was pushing that river. If the Oilers end up in that slot they should go for the best defencemen available.

I guess if the Oilers are going to move Yak they should move him as much as possible for an expansion draft exempt D.

Klefbom
Nurse
Ference

Likely to lose Davidson

If the rules play out as expected.
Don’t think they can buy out Ference this summer because he has been on LTIR

Curse Mact for not pulling the trigger on that alleged trade offer last year’s deadline

G Money

New viz is done

http://i.imgur.com/G4QOxOX.png

There is a blue bar and a red bar for every player, pair, line. The purple bar shows the degree of overlap between the two.

So you read the CF +- from the blue – but if the blue bar is fully overwritten, use the purple bar.

And you read the DFF +- from the red bar – but if the red bar is fully overwritten, the purple bar.

The purpose is to look for big differences between the two, which is suggesting that the ‘danger’ level of that player, pair, line is quite different from what the raw metrics suggest.

Will be in the post games starting next game.

dsr29: They’re not winning with OEL, maybe marketing local boy while losing is better for attendance.

Not going to happen either way. We just heard Maloney himself say it would never happen. I don’t know why we keep flogging this dead horse.

Hockey Buddha

LostBoy,

With Maroon, I really don’t want to look a gift horse in the mouth. The guy’s been a gem so far with the team. Whatever his past issues, this is a new opportunity for him, so I’ll judge him based on what he does from here on. The guy has physical attributes this team needs. Everyone has some kind of history or another. Throw a lot of money at young men, and they can sniff out trouble, become complacent, whatever. People learn and move on or they don’t. We’ll see. We’ve got two guys (Kassian and Maroon) who could be valuable additions to this team, or they could fall out of favour entirely and not have another shot in the NHL. It’s up to them to make good. Good luck to both young men. I like both gambles. They’ve changed the dynamic of the team in a hurry.

Woodguy

who: Am I overvaluing Barrie. Every time I see him play he impresses the hell out of me. Colorado beats Minny in the playoffs a couole of years ago if Cooke doesn’t take out his knee.
If you were Colorado, and on a budget, wouldn’t you look for other places to cut costs before trading Barrie.

You’re not undervaluing Barrie.

I’d move heaven and earth to keep him too.

There’s been lots in the media about his availability and $$$ being the reason why.

They have lots of players I’d try to dump before trading him.

Woodguy

Woogie63: Do you have Severson ahead of Larrson?

Nope.

Not even close.

He’d play 3RD here (hopefully behind Demers and another) and the PP.

He’s a decent young 2RD.

dsr29

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: The best marketing is winning. OEL helps them win more than does Matthews.

Even better marketing in Arizona is moving the damn team from. Glendale to Phoenix/Scottsdale.

I think the Matthews for OEL because of marketing angle is so overplayed.

They’re not winning with OEL, maybe marketing local boy while losing is better for attendance.

LostBoy

Maroon’s an interesting case.

Jim Matheson has a story on him up on whatever the Edmonton scrambled papers are supposed to be called, in which he compares him to lazy, rich Dustin Penner, now out of hockey and we’re told living the high life in LA.

Not mentioned is the fact that Maroon was summarily dismissed from the Philadelphia system despite having established himself as a dominant AHL player and apparently one of their best prospects. Like, sent home, abruptly, early in the 2010-2011 season, when he was the Phantoms leading scorer. Hands washed. Shock and questions all round. Still never really been explained, the blanks have been sort of filled in with general a-holery, cancer in the room (from Flyers organization supporters, at least), whatever.

And now Anaheim moves him for peanuts. And actually retains salary.

Like, I’ll take it and all. Presumably he’s had plenty of time to get older and wiser since whatever the heck he did that made Philly flush him, send him home, and walk away, and this weird looking steal of a trade is just a hockey move. But given the history, the eyebrows raise a little higher at a 4th and Gernat.

In any case, there’s some baggage there I haven’t seen mentioned. I don’t actually think Matty’s comparison of Penner to Maroon, with the former found wanting, is all that fair.

I don’t mean to cast aspersions on the guy and I hope he’s part of the answer. But I just find it a bit weird that Kassian has been examined upside down and sideways. Maroon hasn’t crashed into any trees, or been publicly sent to rehab (not suggesting in any way, shape, or form Maroon has any of those kinds of off-ice problems). But there’s some unexplained baddassery early on. I only bring it up because I don’t think Matty should be making unflattering comparisons without context.

StixMalone

Perhaps this is why Yak has been utilized in a poor fashion? Perhaps “you want out? Well let’s see how you like your new line mates on the 4 th line!” I feel for the guy but the writing was on the wall a long time ago……

Woogie63,

Larsson is way ahead. No way to get Larsson now for anything reasonable.

We were talking about trading for him 2 years ago. That was the possible window.

Now Jersey fans have him rated above Nuge in a re-draft of 2011 and want RNH+ to even consider moving him.

They have Severson a notch below for sure.

who

Woodguy:
who,

Don’t know why we are even talking about him. No way Colorado is trading him.

Barrie’s name has been out there forever because Kroenke has them on a budget and they are backing up the Brinks truck for McKinnon.

I’d imagine they’d take a high pick for him or high end prospect who’s still cheap.

No way you get him for Yak and Fayne.

Am I overvaluing Barrie. Every time I see him play he impresses the hell out of me. Colorado beats Minny in the playoffs a couole of years ago if Cooke doesn’t take out his knee.
If you were Colorado, and on a budget, wouldn’t you look for other places to cut costs before trading Barrie.

Hockey Buddha

Thanks for the translation on the article, Punjabioil!

MrEd

PunjabiOil,
-Where are you going to end up Yak?
-Coney Island. Either way.

Woogie63

Woodguy:
I wonder if Yak + Fayne for Severson + 3rd or something like that is doable?

Do you have Severson ahead of Larrson?

GCW_69: All that ignores the marketing value of Mathews to a team that has trouble selling tickets.I don’t know if they really would trade OEL for Mathews, but of the top five draft picks this summer, there is only one that likely would drive ticket sales and that’s Mathews.Maybe they could get a marketing bump out of legacy story with Tkachuk, but iffy, I think.As a pure hockey decision, trading Mathews for OEL is probably a poor bet.As a business decision, where they walk away from the draft with Mathews and one of the top defenders available, I think a stronger argument can be made for doing the deal.

The best marketing is winning. OEL helps them win more than does Matthews.

Even better marketing in Arizona is moving the damn team from. Glendale to Phoenix/Scottsdale.

I think the Matthews for OEL because of marketing angle is so overplayed.

PunjabiOil

I wonder if Yak + Fayne for Severson + 3rd or something like that is doable?

NJ has alot of capspace, that’s for sure.

If the Oilers do go that route, will need to add a 2 year contract to expose for the draft in June 2017 however to meet the minimum thresholds.

Hockey Buddha

Nice post, Kitchener! Yak will likely get dealt in the summer, but it’s by no means a certainty. Chiarelli holds the cards on his trade request. I suspect that we’re seeing Yakupov’s final few games as an Oiler, but if I’ve gleaned anything out of life it’s that nothing is for certain–a lot can happen between now and the beginning of next season. Yakupov doesn’t hold the hammer on this, and I’d say there’s still a 25-35% chance that Yakupov is still an Oiler come the beginning of next season. It all depends on what options are open to the Oilers in the summer; a Yak trade may not happen until sometime next season or not at all, depending on the value of the return. The expansion draft may increase Yakupov’s trade value slightly, but I can’t see his current value being astronomical.

The other part of this is that young men can make rash decisions and can likewise have a change of heart. Yakupov seems like a fiery, competitive guy. The flip side of all that determination and passion is frustration and anger when things aren’t going your way; it kind of comes with the territory. I suspect Yak’s frustrated with the team’s performance and how he’s being utilized, but Chiarelli won’t just give Yak away given his draft pedigree and justifiably so. Yak has to play out his end of the bargain. I feel for the kid and hope things work out well for both parties. I know how much losing has sucked as a fan of this franchise; it’s hard to imagine how embittering all the frustration might be as a 22-year-old player.

31saves

This yakupov news has me bummed out… Regardless of the stats, he’s always been a personal favourite mine. I think the reason he was my favourite was how unpredictable he was..
By no means bragging, but after watching the nhl for so long, playing hockey for so long (in goal no less, so I’m watching the game from a very unique perspective) the play can get fairly repetitive. Sometimes I’ll try to predict what’s going to happen during the games, where they’ll shoot, pass, dump, skate.. Whatever.

Nail yakupov was always unpredictable. For that reason he commanded my attention every time he stepped onto the ice. For that reason, for better or worse, he was always the most exciting player on the ice (until Mcdavid came along of course). His positioning was strange, his awareness was odd, even his skating stride seemed bizarre.. Yet somehow he always seemed to be on the cusp of greatness. Perhaps the greatest metaphor for his short career thus far is his own shot. Amazing in all aspects, yet it just could never quite hit the mark.

Unfortunately, his unpredictability that makes him such an enjoyable player is also his downfall.. The coaches don’t like him, and too often do his teammates look away on a pass. Not that I can blame themselves, it’s hard to make a pass to a player like yakupov.
The puck could just as easily be in your own net as the opponents within the next 5 seconds. The stats back this up as well, unfortunately all too well, As we all know.

Despite all his flaws, he was an enigma, one i cheered like heck for as an oiler, will cheer like heck for
In the final few games, and will Cheer like heck for as a part of whatever organization he will inevitably
Move onto.

Overall, yakupov is an entertaining player. Me and my brother watch nearly every game, and sit at the edge of our seats when he steps on the ice in case he figures it out this time. In fact most of
The games we watch revolve Around him. Well sit and joke about what he’s doing on the ice, fake
Russian accents and all! We try to make sense why the (on paper) perfect pairing on nuge and yakupov Can never do well together. Our only conclusion is yakupov must tell awful,
Terrible punny jokes to nugent Hopkins on the bench, throwing off his game.

Sorry for the thread hijack(?), but I felt like I needed to vent about this a bit.. Honestly the team will probably be better off without nail. He’s been used as a third line forward, can’t play the pk, hardly knows defence (although getting it a lot better lately) and the coach doesn’t trust him In key situations. He’ll be replaced by a player who can do all those things and maybe chip in a few goals next year, maybe improving the team next year.

But for as much as its a business, hockey is just a game. It’s entertainment. To me, besides Connor Mcdavid, who is otherworldly, Nail Yakupov represented the entertainment part of The game to the letter. He may not be the best player on the ice, but hes always the most interesting. It sounds like his mind is set, but I hope he has a change of heart, for while the games will go on as they always have, but they just won’t even as much fun when he’s gone.

MrEd

Woodguy,

Too realistic:) Go for the 2nd. Seriously.

PunjabiOil

MTL, Winnipeg, NJD, and Carolina purportedly had the most interest

http://www.sport-express.ru/hockey/nhl/reviews/982308/

Before the deadline I was packed and ready to go.
-To quote you “I waited for a trade until the last possible moment”.
-That is exactly right.

-When was it you first thought that a trade was necessary, and were there real circumstances that made you believe that a trade will occur?
-There were, and as far as I know, I came really close to being traded. I was all packed and ready to go. Moreover, Igor Larinov and I were given permission to talk to other teams. There was a whole lineup of interested teams; however, at the last moment something went wrong, so I am still here.

-It was written that MTL, WPG, NJD, and CAR were all interested in you, which of them was the closest to making a trade for you, and which did you prefer the most?
-That is far from the entire list – we can name at least two or three more teams. Unfortunately, we can speak all day about who was interested in me, and who did I want to play for. The fact of the matter is that it did not happen and I am still in Edmonton. We will see what happens in the summer after the regular season and playoffs end. There will be a lot more time for negotiations, without the teams pressuring each other by the trade deadline. As a result, a trade will be much easier to make, though, at the end of the day the Oilers organization has the final say on the matter.

-Did you (yourself) request a trade?
-Yes, I did, but I did not request it in person, as my job revolves around playing hockey. I did it through my agent, whose job it is to deal with such questions. However, if there were trade talks, there must have been a reason behind them.

-How did Larionov advise you to conduct yourself in such a situation?
-Just play, and live a regular hockey life. Do my job every day. I tried to practice(workout), work, and simply enjoy hockey. Discussing a trade is simply none of my business(not my job), and I shouldn’t worry myself too much over it.

-Have you considered returning to the KHL?
-No, no, and no again.

-Did you know that CSKA bought your rights from Neftekhimik?
-Yes, I heard about it. I do not have any hard feeling towards my previous team. They(CSKA) perfectly understand that I will not be arriving any time soon, and it seems like they(Neftekhimik?) got good players for me.

-Where are you planning to visit in the offseason?
-England. I am a fan of Chelsea FC. Just yesterday, I was told quite an interesting story about Jose Mourinho, and his time with the team. I really want to visit London, and watch Chelsea live at Stamford Bridge(In this Larionov, who has great connections with the club, promised to help him). I have never been there, and I really want to see it with my own eyes.

Woodguy

I wonder if Yak + Fayne for Severson + 3rd or something like that is doable?

MrEd

Kitchener,
RNH stays because Dry stays too as a winger.

MrEd

Kitchener,

Laine or Tkachuk can see light:)

Frank the dog

Kitchener:
Silver linings to the pending Yak trade:

– one less F spot dedicated to “seasoning a youngster”
– an asset back to the team, possibly a steady D, high risk/reward youngster, or ____
– clear room in the top 6 for Drai/RNH to both stay put for many years
– Eberle almost certain to be retained
– one less 1OV contract to manage down the road (…though Yak’s performance had already solved this)
– an end to the strange uncertainty about Yak’s future with the team (it’s been an odd relationship all along)
– room for a free agent veteran RW/C better suited to rounding out the top 9 than Yak (http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/freeagents.php?team=all&type=UFA&year=2016&pos=F)
– if the rumours are true that ownership vetoed the scouts at the 2012 draft table, a lesson in letting the hockey men make the hockey decisions

What else?

– Hall doesn’t have to try to pass pucks to a water fly.

Kitchener

Silver linings to the pending Yak trade:

– one less F spot dedicated to “seasoning a youngster”
– an asset back to the team, possibly a steady D, high risk/reward youngster, or ____
– clear room in the top 6 for Drai/RNH to both stay put for many years
– Eberle almost certain to be retained
– one less 1OV contract to manage down the road (…though Yak’s performance had already solved this)
– an end to the strange uncertainty about Yak’s future with the team (it’s been an odd relationship all along)
– room for a free agent veteran RW/C better suited to rounding out the top 9 than Yak (http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/freeagents.php?team=all&type=UFA&year=2016&pos=F)
– if the rumours are true that ownership vetoed the scouts at the 2012 draft table, a lesson in letting the hockey men make the hockey decisions

What else?

Bruce McCurdy

Lowetide: Still better value than Jarred Smithson.

Hey now Smithson played 10 games, I think we might even have won one or two of them.

PunjabiOil

Is it officially a trade when “conditional pick” becomes “sweet fuck all”?

I believe it was conditional 6th round pick if he played 14 games for Buffalo.

They played him 13 games.

Those fuckers.

Seems like he’s still putting up great numbers in Europe.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=94565

Johnny skid

Woodguy: Maybe they’re worried about getting more for Eberle than Yak?

i remember the team playing purcell and shultz to increase their trade value. i never saw the benefit.