OH, THOSE OILERS

Sometimes my kids will ask me about life in 1975. I’ll put Born to Run on the turntable, tell them about bell bottoms and banana bikes and working for some guy you don’t know because your Dad said so. Last night, Todd McLellan went 1975:

ATTITUDE AND BULLSHIT, YEAR OVER YEAR

  • Oilers in October 2014: 4-5-1
  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-8-0
  • Oilers in November 2014: 2-9-3
  • Oilers in November 2015: 4-7-2
  • Oilers in December 2014: 2-8-4
  • Oilers in December 2015: 7-6-1
  • Oilers in January 2015: 5-7-1
  • Oilers in January 2016: 4-5-2
  • Oilers in February 2015: 5-6-1
  • Oilers in February 2016: 4-8-2
  • Oilers in March 2015: 5-6-3
  • Oilers in March 2016: 7-8-0
  • Oilers in April 2015: 1-3-1
  • Oilers in April 2016: 0-1-0
  • Oilers after 80 in 2014-15: 24-43-13, 61 points (-80 GD)
  • Oilers after 80 in 2015-16: 30-43-7, 67 points (-45 GD)

Sometimes in life, you need a wakeup call, and sometimes you don’t hear it even when the alarm rings time after time after time. I am not going to run the usual morning numbers—Edmonton sawed off the 5×5 possession battle—because the real story runs deeper and frankly from what I have read online last night and this morning most people are just angry so one wonders if anyone will read this blog today. Instead, I would like to offer you a few words on each player from last night.

  • Sekera—Fayne played well, both men did well in possession (Sekera 60 percent, Fayne 50). Sekera had four shots on goal, Fayne had six blocks. Plenty of bitching about Fayne online, suspect he is the next whipping boy.
  • The rest of the defense looked like it should have been playing in Bakersfield last night.
  • Cam Talbot did not have a good game. How much of that was the view in front of him? Doesn’t matter.
  • Jordan Eberle must be wondering what hit him, poor guy. On a night when he has five shots, two takeaways and to my eye was the second most dangerous forward, online ripping approached ‘weasels ripped my flesh’ levels. Folks, if you were surprised he lost his man on the first goal, I cannot help you. We have seen this for six years. Did you not wonder why these young Oilers don’t get mentioned in the Selke conversation? Eberle is never going to be the guy who backchecks, you don’t have the light turn on six years in. Eberle is all lumber, and no leather. I thought we knew this?
  • Taylor Hall led the team with four individual scoring chances, I thought he played well last night. Saw many people wanting to trade him and some very unkind personal shots. Six shots on goal, six individual scoring chances,
  • Connor McDavid could not shake those Flames checkers, they did a helluva job on the young man. Edmonton gets a spark from this fellow near every game, credit to Calgary for taking away all of the oxygen on his sorties.
  • Anton Lander had a good game, in perhaps the most disappointing game of the season. Dear Anton: Timing. It is a thing. You need to learn it, Sir.

FIRE THEM INTO THE SUN!

I absolutely know that many of you want me to post about the fires of hell, but I don’t see it. Last night, the Oilers rolled out Darnell Nurse, Griffin Reinhart, Adam Pardy and Jordan Oesterle as 67 percent of their blue. They also had exactly one pairing that looked NHL calibre, and that pairing was effective.

I suspect you want me to crap on the forwards, but you will find no comfort here. In fact, even though that was an absolute shiza show at Rexall last night, I would absolutely bring back McDavid, Nuge, Leon, Hall, Eberle, Maroon, Pouliot, Hendricks and even Pakarinen who didn’t play last night. That is nine players returning, including (possibly) four centers.

I would also bring back Sekera—Fayne as a pairing, plus Oscar Klefbom and Brandon Davidson. Peter Chiarelli badly needs to bring in Travis Hamonic and another RH blue, someone who can help the PP and help Davidson make that third pairing rattle and hum. Who is that guy? Don’t know. Jared Spurgeon maybe, that kind of player.

I fully expect the comments section to rain down blows upon me, suggesting the following:

  • I have a man-crush on Mark Fayne.
  • My love for the Nuge blinds me to the obvious
  • Taylor Hall cut your Grandma off in traffic on the way home from the game
  • Todd McLellan’s whiteboard now has all of the names on the ‘trade their ass’ side
  • The Oilers aren’t tough enough
  • The Oilers are too soft
  • Jordan Eberle didn’t take responsibility, you saw his mistake, therefore you hate him.

I have a few responses to those thoughts, kind of a counterstrike before the original strike kind of thing:

  • It’s possible to have good numbers and get noticed for negative things—single moments and events can have super importance while being exactly single moments and events. Source

Look, I know you are angry this morning and I also know you understand that last night was exactly one (disappointing) game. Hell, I wish these kids cared more about beating Calgary, and they played better on Saturday night and that they understood winning to close out Rexall would be cool.

Folks, it does. not. matter. The season is lost, you are worrying over the wrong things. Give yourself a break, and let these losses go—they do not belong to you, and you did nothing wrong (except possibly reading twitter). Relax. You have a lot of things going for you—you look good at midnight AND at 9am—not everyone can say that about themselves.

Stop beating yourself up. Let Peter Chiarelli have his lash at improving the defense. And pray to the God who will listen that Chiarelli has the right people advising him. The draft will gift him with another enormous asset to select a fabulous player or trade the pick (or both). Heaven help us, he needs to get that decision right, and he needs to add defensemen who are quality and can execute the Sutter template:

  • Darryl Sutter: “The big thing in today’s game is you have to be able forecheck and backcheck, and you have to have the puck. You can’t give the puck up. We don’t play in our zone, so there’s not much defending.  I’ve coached in three decades now and this stuff where they said Marian had to play in Jacques’s system is a bunch of bull-crap. The game’s changed. They think there’s defending in today’s game. Nah, it’s how much you have the puck. Teams that play around in their own zone think they’re defending but they’re generally getting scored on or taking face-offs and they need a goalie to stand on his head if that’s the way they play.”

If Jordan Eberle doesn’t fit that paragraph and needs to be traded, make it so. Just don’t try telling me he stopped backchecking—because that has never been part of his game. And that is why Todd McLellan probably didn’t sleep well last night. I will tell you this: Complete players, the kind who can score 25+ goals a year, and haul ass on the backcheck every time, are not plentiful. It is very important to value these players for what they bring, and to react, not overreact, to single games and episodes.

Peter Chiarelli is the man from town. We need to let him do his job. That is the summer. We wait.

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197 Responses to "OH, THOSE OILERS"

  1. The Trade Guy says:

    I only watched the first two periods and I didn’t read the game day thread. My general impression is the Oilers played pretty well in terms of possession and chances but they lacked energy. Calgary played 4 in 6 and had more jump and worked harder.

    The Oilers looked rusty with bad timing which I’d sorta expect after a longer layoff but they also didn’t have any of the benefits of being well rested either.

    They’re just playing out the string of another DFL season and I agree with Todd. F this shit.

    Blow it up Pete.

  2. Stephen says:

    Last night angered me. And I think that’s a good thing. For a long time my reaction to games has been one of apathy. That’s a tough place to be, as a ‘fan’.

  3. Unwashed Oilfan says:

    Relax. You have a lot of things going for you—you look good at midnight AND at 9am—not everyone can say that about themselves.

    You win LT. You win everything….forever! That is why we love your writing. On a pissy morning you make me laugh and smile and forget all about kicking kittens.

  4. Surly says:

    Love this post. This is like Eminem in 8 mile…LT took away any of our ammo to rain those blows down upon him! With that said, it carries the right tone. The timing of last night’s performance was awful…if this game was sandwiched in between a couple of good efforts back in late November, wouldn’t have caused near as much grief.

    The point I do disagree with though is Eberle. I suspect many of us have grown/matured in our own careers/jobs when we compare our efforts today to that of when we were 20. Why should he be no different?

    They have a chance at redemption against the Nucks…for the sake of the internet I hope they pull it off.

  5. dustrock says:

    At the game. Oilers mocking me with Rexall Memories.

    Might have been my breaking point as a fan. Fire this bullshit team into the sun.

    Looked like a core who knows they’re gone and don’t have any pride to play for. And why should they have pride in this organization?

  6. RexLibris says:

    Okay, well if it is a contractual obligation of some sort, I’ll step up and get it out of the way.

    *ahem*

    LT! you…


    …have a man-crush on Mark Fayne.
    …love for the Nuge blinds me to the obvious
    …Taylor Hall cut your Grandma off in traffic on the way home from the game
    …Todd McLellan’s whiteboard now has all of the names on the ‘trade their ass’ side
    …The Oilers aren’t tough enough
    …The Oilers are too soft
    …Jordan Eberle didn’t take responsibility, you saw his mistake, therefore you hate him.

    Okay, so now that we have that out of the way, I should mention, having to watch all these games a second time has led me to skip watching them live. I often do this with the HNIC games anyway because I’m either busy or choose to avoid the inevitable pain.

    I did check in a few times last night to check the score and had to draw upon a lot of “happy places” to make it through the evening without turning into an ogre, though.

    From what little I saw it looked like I was watching a team with a little more collective consciousness against a group that looked like they were still figuring out their new training camp assignments.

    My only concern as of right now is that should this team make it into the playoffs next year, I have misgivings about how this group seems to respond to pressure situations. When the pressure is off sometimes they come around with these fantastic comebacks or strong games, but in a game like last night, one for the fans with all kinds of outside importance attached to it, well, crickets.

    All the rest aside, my only real anger is that the Coliseum had to witness that on her last Saturday night.

  7. OilClog says:

    The Calgary D made a line and held it.

    The Edmonton D made a play and fumbled it.

    It’s the player trailing #14 that almost catches and passes him on the back check that we need to worry about. #4 even with McDavid his soul may be broken now.

    93 gets some leash.. He was concussed and it seems he was a bit rusty, over eager to contribute.

    Letestu lobbing the puck into the defenders logo, when his team badly needed a change. Then dogged it until they were scored on.. That’s a good 3 million there.

  8. Soup Fascist says:

    What scares me is despite the odd “F Me!!” last night watching this game – I really did not care.

    I admit I am curious about the new rink next year and hopefully watching a full healthy season of McDavid – but other than that, I am not sure I care anymore. The last decade has stripped virtually all the joy of following this team out of me.

    If I feel the same way in 12 months time, I am confident I will have no qualms voting with my wallet and letting Mr. Katz know I have way better things to spend $20K plus on. I think many folks are going to be in the same boat. The new barn and 97 bought exactly one year of goodwill from me – what are you going to do with that year, fellas?

    It’s your move, Boys. Make it a good one.

  9. dustrock says:

    The crowd wanted to believe. There was some actual buzz before the game and during the anthem, and even at 1-0 Calgary, still a bunch of “Let’s go Oilers! /Calgary Sucks!” chants.

    But the team let them down again. There is no Battle of Alberta for the players, maybe we can lay that tired narrative to rest.

  10. Ryan says:

    Painful. Just painful.

    There’s nothing like these late season blowouts against our also ran division rivals to portend a subsequent season of misery.

    It’s like Groundhog Day right?

    Well, that’s the collective fear if we want to get that out of the way. Oh, and Fire Mact! 🙂

  11. stephen sheps says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    The Man from Town thread is gold!

    Right, Woodguy?
    https://lowetide.ca/2012/02/09/make-it-stop/#comment-161535

    Very punny NYC, since for whatever reason that conversation involved the gold standard.

    IIRC, that was probably the last time a conversation about politics happened here that didn’t devolve into fear and loathing and mudslinging. Good times.

    in that 2012 thread I wrote the following:

    “On to the hockey front; need better D, need more actual NHL players, need more of the actual NHL players currently on the team to play with more heart and passion.”

    (and then later on in the same long-winded post, which was (my) fashion at the time)

    “I don’t know anymore, I feel like the team is on infinite repeat-different year, different players and combinations, same underwhelming kinds of results….Kind of like American politics…”

    Same as it ever was…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98AJUj-qxHI

  12. murphy says:

    I agree on keeping fayne, you aren’t the only one who appreciates his game. If we get a hamonic for the top pairing and need a 3rd pairing PP QB/partner for davidson, what about cody franson? Seems to be on the outs in buffalo with them being 3 deep on the right side. It might be a good chance to exchange korp or lestestubes contract to take on the last year of fransons. Spurgeon would be better obviously but would cost a ton.

  13. Halfwise says:

    I’d have watched if we’d been home; glad we weren’t.

    Sounds like Bag Skate Monday is coming up. Make it so, Todd.

  14. cabbiesmacker says:

    I just want to confirm something if I can. The Oilers have been trying to win to show a little pride, provide a jaded fanbase with a little hope, and avoid the embarrassment of finishing DFL again.

    The Leafs are trying to lose because they’re in full rebuild mode and would like to improve their odds of picking first overall.

    The Leafs are the better hockey team? The Hurricanes, Flyers, Blue Jackets, Flames, Coyotes, Canucks and Sabres are too?

    No wonder the rest of the NHL mocks and sneers at the Edmonton Oilers. How long can one team be handed opportunities for success on a silver platter only to piss them away?

    Only my opinion but I think the problems on this team runs a lot deeper than most folks here think they do, and the GM’s solutions are going to be a lot more painful than many suspect.

  15. Mr DeBakey says:

    Was out last night so didn’t watch the game in real time.
    [Steve Kuhn is in his mid 70s so may not ever make it back to Edmonton. But if he does, I recommend him strongly. He’s much better than an Oilers game.]
    https://youtu.be/uIiXYQtAPvo

    But I did PVR the game.
    The Oilers were killing them early on – but didn’t score.
    Meanwhile
    A shit goal for Calgary on the PK and complete steaming pile of a goal to make it 0 – 3.
    I turned it off then.
    Looks like the Oilers did too.

    But all these comments about energy and hard work are not describing what I watched over the first 40 minutes.
    They’re being retroactively applied based on the score.

    Fayne was good.

  16. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    stephen sheps,

    Substitute Donald Trump for Ron Paul?
    Haha. I can’t believe we’ve had two terms of Obama full of sucktitude. And we are all still here somehow. Except for Dee Ess Eff

  17. Oil2Oilers says:

    Yakupov had a heck of a game;

    The 1st period porcupine penalty is exactly the type of play we have been clamoring for from our skilled players, since Rebuild 1.0 the Gone-ya years.

    The 2nd period line promotion the the boardcast did not seem to notice. Likely due to his effort and back checking.

    3d period continued effort and prickishness.

    For the only out right proclaimed dead man walking to put in the best effort of the night is a testament to the young man’s character.

  18. theres oil in virginia says:

    Love this post LT. I didn’t watch the game last night, because, y’know, sanity.

    tell them about bell bottoms

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uaXPzGswxk – Blues Explosion Warning!

    ATTITUDE AND BULLSHIT, YEAR OVER YEAR

    That pretty much sums up Oilers hockey.

    kind of a counterstrike before the original strike kind of thing

    Aah, the pre-emptive strike. Good strategy.

    The rest of the defense looked like it should have been playing in Bakersfield last night.

    That’s strange, you wouldn’t expect that from a bunch of AHL defensemen. 🙂

    online ripping approached ‘weasels ripped my flesh’ levels

    Wow, a Zappa reference from LT. Marking my calendar.

    Eberle is all lumber, and no leather. I thought we knew this?

    Complaining about this is like complaining about why Matt Hendricks doesn’t score 30 per year. He wins board battles though!

    So many more gems here, great post.

  19. stephen sheps says:

    Caramel Batman:

    Edmonton needs more people like LT.How he has patience for the raving, lunatic, mob is beyond me.

    Indeed.

    Mornings like these remind me why should all be grateful for LT’s time, patience and generosity. Might be time to click the donate button again.

  20. Woogie63 says:

    I hope the Oilet’s crave out a moment to recognize some of the people that built that rink and kept a pro hockey team.

    A salute to Ivor Dent, Bill Hunter, Ron Hayter, Dr. Allard, Nelson Skalbania,
    Peter Pocklington, Ed Bean, Cal Nichols, and Daryl Katz would be in order.

  21. BONE207 says:

    Party last night and a bottle of wine. Looking for the jump that was hinted at by the players who were interviewed prior to the game. Watched sporadically with the sound off again (Since January). Bed at midnight and woke up at 0300 pissed off again.

    I love hockey but this franchise is bleeding me dry. The upcoming playoffs may decide if I have a new favorite team. The coaches challenge rules are sickening. The NHL emails are laughable. At least reading and listening to LT makes the internet fun…well that and porn

  22. theres oil in virginia says:

    stephen sheps,

    Hey Sheps. I was down your way the other day. We had to drive down to Columbus, GA and back and we went through Chattanoogee. There is some really beautiful countryside between Chatt. and Atlanta. Way too much traffic though.

    Remember to appreciate what’s good there while you’re there. You never know, you may not see it again. I’m guessing you’re still leaving this summer?

  23. stephen sheps says:

    theres oil in virginia:
    stephen sheps,

    Hey Sheps.I was down your way the other day.We had to drive down to Columbus, GA and back and we went through Chattanoogee.There is some really beautiful countryside between Chatt. and Atlanta.Way too much traffic though.

    Remember to appreciate what’s good there while you’re there.You never know, you may not see it again.I’m guessing you’re still leaving this summer?

    Oh man, I wish you would’ve let me know… would’ve loved to show you around (or at least take you and whomever you were with out for lunch or a coffee or something!)

    You’re right – it’s stunning where I live. I’ll never complain about the land or the natural beauty of this part of the country and before I leave I have plans to take a couple of camping trips up in the smokey mountains and hopefully a kayak trip down the Tennessee river. The place is wonderful; it’s the job that unfortunately was not.

    I’ll be here until July. If you find yourself down this way again, drop me a line stephensheps(at)gmail(dot)com

  24. stush18 says:

    Well done LT. Knew you’d be posting a level headed response today.

    Noticed nuge got bumped off halls line after he left his man wide open in front of the net. Missed a shift or two and then swapped with yak.

    Also people botching about ebs backcheck also need to realize he was a stride and a half behind when he began. He wasn’t catching him. The error I suppose is when he started turning north when he thought oesterle had control.

    I honestly wonder if mcdavid and drai (and talbot to a degree), are the only ones safe. If they lose badly in one of the next games, or lose both, I can see chia dropping a stick of dynamite down the well.

    I’ve never been one to buy into “culture”, or leadership. The reason good teams have better “leaders” is because winning develops this character. It’s not even really character, just an absolute confidence in ones abilities. Mcdavid has it. Nurse has it. You see it on the mini winning streaks the oilers get. They play like they are ten feet tall. I’m finally starting to believe this losing is wearing down a lot of the core, and that they need a fresh start elsewhere.

    Good luck chia.

  25. StixMalone says:

    There was just no effort or importance in most of the team last night and to me that was more important! This tells us of the mindset of the players. A very concerning item that this team just can’t get rid of in the last 10 years. Hence the core is rotten theme is so prevalent. To watch a team let the air out of their sails and show no pride in a meaningful game ( damn right it was meaningful ) is disturbing and the lashing and anguish in Todds post game will dictate a busy summer for Chia without a doubt. LT you might be ok with bringing most back next season but I personally can’t see that happening. Something has to trigger the mindset of this team ( trade ) and 4 previous coaches have tried and have pulled their hair out because Oilers. This team GETS COACHES FIRED. Tmac isn’t going anywhere so the only logical next step is culling the herd so to speak. Nothing else has worked. Defence Defence Defence. We have not got one. Sorry but if this is not addressed this summer that first season in The new home will kill this franchise and possibly heaven forbid Connors decision to stay. It is wearing on him too. I hope the best always for my team and know it can get fixed but first we need the vaccine to eliminate the disease……

  26. Clay says:

    I love Todd’s comment about getting two days off in a row. That’s one salty coach. I bet the team doesn’t practice with pucks for the rest of the year.

  27. Caramel Batman says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    Was out last night so didn’t watch the game in real time.
    [Steve Kuhn is in his mid 70s so may not ever make it back to Edmonton.But if he does, I recommend him strongly.He’s much better than an Oilers game.]https://youtu.be/uIiXYQtAPvo

    But I did PVR the game.
    The Oilers were killing them early on – but didn’t score.
    Meanwhile
    A shit goal for Calgary on the PK and complete steaming pile of a goal to make it 0 – 3.
    I turned it off then.
    Looks like the Oilers did too.

    But all these comments about energy and hard work are not describing what I watched over the first 40 minutes.
    They’re being retroactively applied based on the score.

    Fayne was good.

    This needs to be repeated over and over again.

    What’s wrong with Oiler fan that he can’t see this?

    What’s wrong with McClellan that he can’t see this?

    What is wrong with the human being that it translates the end result into this effort nonsense?

    The part that I watched the Oilers tried plenty hard. If you didn’t see this, you can’t see.

  28. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Eberle is all bat and no glove? At least that’s better than the all leather but no glove guy. Hehe

  29. Caramel Batman says:

    Anyway, if I’m Taylor Hall I’m on the first ship out. He’s too good for this town.

  30. Sugar Reijo says:

    What really struck me last night was the graininess of so many of the old clips of BOAs long past. At some point I realized even the Weight-era stuff is fast approaching ancient history. (His breakaway goal against Calgary occurred the year McDavid was born.) The aspect ratios of most of the highlights must look to whole generations now the way old sound clips of Foster Hewitt sounded to those of us old enough to have seen a Cup win.

    Not a newsflash, I know, but this last decade has been a black hole for this organization. I feel like a lot of the players here have been as victimized as the fans. I’ve been bracing myself for a wrecking ball type summer for a while now, and the sad truth is that at some point last night my give-a-shit-o-dial dropped to the same level I saw on the ice.

  31. BONE207 says:

    Stephen,

    I agree…apathy kills relationships. NO passion, NO love & NO hate. Watching the world go by or sitting on the bench not willing to go out and be a difference. Not even a McDavid highlight. Sad, mad and waiting to hear about the upcoming bag skate. I hope they use the same toothbrush that was shoved up someone’s ass to let them know how bad the fans feel.

  32. Lois Lowe says:

    I had an opportunity to skip work and go to the game. Free tickets. I declined because I *really* need money and am happy I did. Every time I looked up at the TV, it seemed like Flames were either on the PP or had just scored.

    The Leafs fans in the kitchen were also upset because the Oilers are ruining their chances in the lottery.

    All I could say was, “Well, it just goes to show that the Oilers have the ability to disappoint everyone.”

    We hoped for the best, but it turned out like always.

  33. cabbiesmacker says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Eberle is all bat and no glove? At least that’s better than the all leather but no glove guy. Hehe

    Maybe he could whistle Stevie Nicks Leather and Lace non stop during the games.

    Give to me your leather…take from me….

  34. gogliano says:

    I suspect the Eberle play is getting a lot of attention because of the intermission analysis. We all know he is an all bat, no leather kind of player — with a great bat — but it sure looked terrible when slowed down.

    The thing I really don’t get is how a team that struggles with all around play and effort in all three zones has Nugent-Hopkins at or near the top of its “to trade” list. Leaving this forward core in place save Nugent-Hopkins (the rumored Seth Jones trade) gives me nightmares. Running McDavid-RNH 1-2 and sliding Draisatl to the wing gives you two responsible centres who will win more battles than they lose.

  35. stephen sheps says:

    Oil2Oilers,

    Yak did have a good game. He didn’t look like he was being carried in a swarm of bees, and I was very happy to see him get moved back up to the Hall/Drai line.

    Lander also played well last night, but timing is everything.

    Caramel Batman,
    It’s about consistency at this point though – pointing out the good play of individual players is all well and good, but there is a lack of collective consistency. They don’t play well as a team and they still have a tendency to collapse after a bad bounce. That’s why I think many fans tend to get so angry about individual moments of crap play (i.e. Eberle’s coverage issues last night, overall narrative about lack of effort). It exhausting to watch the same mistakes. They played rather well in spurts (like that really amazing 4th line grinding shift in the 1st that looked like it just about killed Brodie), but there isn’t consistency in execution. That’s probably why McLellan was so angry last night, and why LT had to remind us to back away from the ledge and throw on a Boss record this morning.

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Don’t kid yourself… Andrew’s still around. I read his blog once in a while and rather enjoy his take on things. He’s actually a pretty good writer if you can look past the moving goalposts of his arguments.

  36. wheatnoil says:

    AHL defense indeed!

    Last night the Oilers 4 guys who played in the AHL this year, one waiver claim who was going to the AHL if the Oilers didn’t claim him, and Andrej Sekera.

    Oh, and they played the youngest D-man on his off side leading to predictable results (worst game that I’ve tracked for zone transitions by far for Darnell)

    I miss Oscar. And Brandon. At least with them there was some chance.

    McLellan should be mad… but not at his team. He should be putting the management team out for a bag skate today… they don’t have a CBA mandated day off!

  37. @YegThoughts says:

    Simply as Lowe as we can go…

  38. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    Was out last night so didn’t watch the game in real time.
    [Steve Kuhn is in his mid 70s so may not ever make it back to Edmonton.But if he does, I recommend him strongly.He’s much better than an Oilers game.]https://youtu.be/uIiXYQtAPvo

    But I did PVR the game.
    The Oilers were killing them early on – but didn’t score.
    Meanwhile
    A shit goal for Calgary on the PK and complete steaming pile of a goal to make it 0 – 3.
    I turned it off then.
    Looks like the Oilers did too.

    But all these comments about energy and hard work are not describing what I watched over the first 40 minutes.
    They’re being retroactively applied based on the score.

    Fayne was good.

    The third period was nothing short of disgraceful. The team quit on the game, each other, & their fans. I was embarrassed to be an Oilers fan, something I don’t say very often despite the decade long shit show around here. But when the team quits on its fans it pisses me off.

  39. GCW_69 says:

    I taped the game and by the third period I was fast forwarding looking for signs of life that were not to be found. I did think the Oilers played a good first period except for yet again another special teams disaster. We have seen these players play effective special teams under Nelson and Krueger, so special teams failure to me is on the coaching. I also thought Eberle was bringing it offensively in the first, well above pretty much everyone, at least for 99% of the time.

    I did watch TMac’s rant. I certainly would have liked him to take some accountability for the poor special teams.

    He didn’t rip the defence because there was no point. Everyone knows that defence is a joke. What we should care about is he yet again ripped the culture of the team. That’s an interesting thing to focus on. Culture matters. I worked for one consulting firm in the dotcom era that grew through acquisition. When the bust happened, local offices that had no loyalty to the overall firm kept working for and billing clients they knew would never be able to pay. Brought the whole firm down in the process. Other cultural issues resulted in an attempt to save the firm being quashed because of backstabbing between two factions of management. As a consultant I have worked with many organizations that have had dysfunctional cultures that make their underlying business process problems worse and much harder to fix. In most cases the people driving the cultural issues really believe they are doing the right thing when they are actually making the problem worse and preventing things from getting better.

    I think we have reached the point where we need to be open to the possibility there is a dysfunctional culture in that room that will need to be addressed. Addressing it may mean moving out players that surprise us. Culture in organizations is a funny thing, but it is very real and it matters. The right culture accelerates other changes and the wrong culture hinders them.

    The hard part for us as fans is we will probably not know where the roots of cultural dysfunction lie within that group of players.

  40. notarealdoctor says:

    Before I clicked on the Man From Town I thought you were referring to Spencer Tracy. We’re still waiting for him, though TMac is looking closer and closer every day.

  41. Melman says:

    If we establish that craptastic attitude and effort are of biblical proportions and marry that with our dream of adding Demers and Hamonic and the rest of LT’s shopping list while leaving the “top” Fs intact, does that really solve the problem? I guess my question is will their abilities be able to overcome the poor culture/character that is so deeply entrenched, or will they get sucked down the same black hole?

    If the goal is playoff success, does the team need a Bieksa or Chara for leadership? The proverbial experienced hairy ass. Demers is at 39 playoff games + this year – maybe that’s enough. Hamonic has 6. McDavid seems to play with veteran intensity already, I just hope the life doesn’t get sucked out of him like it has for so many of his talented teammates.

  42. seanjohn667 says:

    Really, Lowetide. you can’t seriously still have belief in the Hall cluster? what about 30th place don’t you understand? are you afraid they’ll sink to 35th?

    …. I don’t know what to say other then it is completely asinine to still think this group is worth going forward with. Iff more than one of Hall, RNH, Ebs and Yak are still with this team in Oct i will be pissed.

    put a fork in them. they are the biggest failed rebuild experiment in NHL history.

  43. who says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    Was out last night so didn’t watch the game in real time.
    [Steve Kuhn is in his mid 70s so may not ever make it back to Edmonton.But if he does, I recommend him strongly.He’s much better than an Oilers game.]https://youtu.be/uIiXYQtAPvo

    But I did PVR the game.
    The Oilers were killing them early on – but didn’t score.
    Meanwhile
    A shit goal for Calgary on the PK and complete steaming pile of a goal to make it 0 – 3.
    I turned it off then.
    Looks like the Oilers did too.

    But all these comments about energy and hard work are not describing what I watched over the first 40 minutes.
    They’re being retroactively applied based on the score.

    Fayne was good.

    I agree. Always nice to see someone write what I am thinking. Saves me a lot of typing. Only thing I differ on is seeing fayne good. He may have defended well but he also had some errant passes that were bad turnovers.

  44. GCW_69 says:

    Bruce McCurdy: The third period was nothing short of disgraceful. The team quit on the game, each other, & their fans. I was embarrassed to be an Oilers fan, something I don’t say very often despite the decade long shit show around here. But when the team quits on its fans it pisses me off.

    The Flames must have been laughing all the way home last night. The league and fans of other teams laugh at the Oilers because they deserve it. Too bad Oilers fans have to be collateral damage.

  45. Ryan says:

    wheatnoil:
    AHL defense indeed!

    Last night the Oilers 4 guys who played in the AHL this year, one waiver claim who was going to the AHL if the Oilers didn’t claim him, and Andrej Sekera.

    Oh, and they played the youngest D-man on his off side leading to predictable results (worst game that I’ve tracked for zone transitions by far for Darnell)

    I miss Oscar. And Brandon. At least with them there was some chance.

    McLellan should be mad… but not at his team. He should be putting the management team out for a Na skate today… they don’t have a CBA mandated day off!

    Indeed, this season was felled by a combination of staph and staff infections.

    “Niki and Fernuckle can still play some.”

    “We don’t need to buyout a defenseman.”

    “A 16 and a 33rd is good value for Reinhart. He’s ready to contribute in the NHL.”

    “Schultz can QB the powerplay with aplomb. We should definitely qualify him.”

    “Lander’s ready to be a solid contributor on the third line.”

    “Korpse is a speedy rugged winger who can help us.”

    “If we add Sekera and Reinhart, this blue line is NHL caliber.”

  46. Melman says:

    GCW_69,

    ” In most cases the people driving the cultural issues really believe they are doing the right thing when they are actually making the problem worse and preventing things from getting better.”

    This is a very salient point and is maybe the best description of the prior old boys mgmt. group I’ve heard. I think we need to pin our hopes on Nicholson, Chia, and TMac having the ability to recognize this and flush the preventers. Fortunately they have the authority to do so.

  47. GCW_69 says:

    Melman:
    GCW_69,

    ” In most cases the people driving the cultural issues really believe they are doing the right thing when they are actually making the problem worse and preventing things from getting better.”

    This is a very salient point and is maybe the best description of the prior old boys mgmt. group I’ve heard.I think we need to pin our hopes on Nicholson, Chia, and TMac having the ability to recognize this and flush the preventers. Fortunately they have the authority to do so.

    Thanks. Yes, I think their was / is a cultural issue within management and I hope Nicholson / Chiarelli has the authority to deal with it.

    Sad thing is, of cultural with in players is now a problem, the root cause of that dysfunction probably originated as a reaction to the poor culture within management.

  48. ashley says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    Was out last night so didn’t watch the game in real time.
    [Steve Kuhn is in his mid 70s so may not ever make it back to Edmonton.But if he does, I recommend him strongly.He’s much better than an Oilers game.]https://youtu.be/uIiXYQtAPvo

    But I did PVR the game.
    The Oilers were killing them early on – but didn’t score.
    Meanwhile
    A shit goal for Calgary on the PK and complete steaming pile of a goal to make it 0 – 3.
    I turned it off then.
    Looks like the Oilers did too.

    But all these comments about energy and hard work are not describing what I watched over the first 40 minutes.
    They’re being retroactively applied based on the score.

    Fayne was good.

    I was just going to write something similiar. The score was not a good proxy for what happened last night. It’s no fun losing by 5 in your own building, but that game was a lot closer than the score implies. They saw very good goaltending on the other end.

    That’s just how it goes sometimes. When we start winning more games (next year, for sure!), we will be able to take a game like this in stride.

    Outcome bias + frustrated coach + fragile, dejected fan base is a bad combination.

  49. teddyturnbuckle says:

    The problem with having Fayne on the top pairing is that he plays with Mcdavid a lot who needs two adequate offensive options at the point. I’ve noticed Fayne getting passed to several times either as a trailer or at the point and he doesn’t know what to do with it. When Mark Fayne gets the puck on his stick in the offensive zone I don’t exactly think anyone is on the edge of their seat. Most people probably expect a dump into the corner or a shot 4 feet wide.

    I’m not blaming the younger Oilers today. When the organization puts out 5 rookies on D and the team gets crushed its not always on the best players. Talbot was also crap last night.

  50. smellyglove says:

    seanjohn667,

    Which rebuild are you referring to that has failed? There’s the 2007 mini-rebuild. The 2009-10 pure rebuild start. Then the 2015 rebuild that cannot be named such (because that implicates that Lowe/MacT are incompetent).

    A few other thoughts (Friedman style):

    – Calgary isn’t a shit hot team either, and they gave the Oilers a shit-kicking

    – Between *this* Oilers clusterfuck and the (very unfortunate and sad) economic circumstances in Alberta, one has to wonder how that brand new stadium is going to be filled

    – I think Taylor Hall has demonstrated maturity in the face of adversity throughout this entire eternal nightmare. If I’m him, I demand a trade out. As an Oilers fan, I would applaud Taylor.

    – For now, I mostly trust Peter Chiarelli, but he is starting out in a deep, deep hole. He was a pretty shiny GM coming out of his Boston years, but he’s made a couple decisions with question marks around them so far.

    – I keep hammering this point, but it needs to be made: While this move won’t help to improve the Oilers hockey club (if it does, then we’re even more fucked than we thought – and Daryl Katz is completely dysfunctional), but Lowe and MacT need to be fired out of a cannon. They should not have any significant input into the team at present, but they need to be discarded for optics’ sake.

    – Given the number of moves that need to be made, there is no chance this team sniffs at the playoffs next year. Either way: with the current group or a bunch of new recruits.

    – I’m embarrassed to be an Oilers fan. The organization collectively reminds me of a spoiled kid who cannot get their shit together despite being given blank cheques by an ignorant parent (NHL, in the form of draft picks). This shit has to be especially taboo in Alberta’s culture of being rewarded for hard work and being accountable to your own actions.

  51. Ryan says:

    GCW_69,

    There are strange things done in the midnight sun by the men who moil for gold.

    Someone in the organization thought it wise to ensure one-dimensional offensive talents like Gagner and Schultz were always paid in full plus given prime minutes and teammates regardless of having severe defensive deficiencies. Operant conditioning and all…

    That and the reluctance to really fire anyone in management despite massive blunders like paying Nikitin $9 million dollars, the Ference contract, giving away Petry for nothing… If there’s a cultural problem with this team, it stems from the top of the organization,

  52. unca miltie says:

    What this teams needs is a Kevin Lowe on defence and a MacT as a third line center. What I remember is that as players, those two played hard every night. As a coach and a gm. they got this team to game 7scf, no doubt the highlight of the last 20 years for this team. Their teams played hard when they were in those management positions.
    This team has a lot of quit in it.

    Like many fans, I will get a bad time from my Flames fans co-workers Monday about the loss. Other than Tmac, who gives the oiler players a bad time?

  53. square_wheels says:

    Ryan,

    FIX THE FUCKING DEFENCE !!’!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    AND STOP PAYING TO WATCH THIS CRAP !!

    The maddening part of our fan base is we’re going to fill Katz’s pocket with what’s left of our 50% in his shiny new Thunderdome.

    Chia has this summer to convince me that the stink of a decades worth of high school grads running a billion dollar enterprise is gone. This franchise is what Tommy Boy’s Callahan Auto Parts would have actually become if it wasn’t a Farley movie with a happy ending.

  54. Frank the dog says:

    I didn’t watch, follow or PVR last night’s game. I didn’t even read my favorite hockey blog.
    The only positive I can pull out of last night is that I no longer care who Chia trades, cuts, sells, waives, or fires. I no longer care if the team wins every pre-season game running away, and the first 5 games by 4 point margins. The first time I will pay attention to stats, will be the supporting stats for a winning record after 20 games.
    I still think this is an unfair reflection of this team, it would have been a different story without the injuries, and I believe more firmly than ever that the NHL under Bettman with the present owners that keep him power, is corrupt and pre-disposed against Canadian teams in general and Canadian small market teams in particular.
    I envy the spunk of the team that is a 3 hour drive south of us.

  55. JAG-041 says:

    LT, I’ve said it before (last night) and I’ll say it again. You’re a saint. Even today where I’m so filled with rage and telling myself they need to blow the whole thing up (again) you come back and still have faith in our men.
    I do love this team and many of these players… I just wish they would win, and I hope to God you’re right. I hope they can fix the D and not have to give away a substantial part of the forward core and be competitive next year.
    I will read this blog every day this summer, twice a day. I may not always post, but I’m sticking with you and this team, for better or worse, till kingdom come.

  56. G Money says:

    The stats that matter:

    Flames 1 for 6 on the PP

    Oilers -2 for 2 on the PP

    I’m also halfway between Caramel and McCurdy – claiming the first two periods lacked effort is outcome bias. However, like Bruce, I’m astonished that the Oilers gave up in the third period down two. That’s embarrassing.

    Then again, I suppose if I had to play in front of that D, it would be like trying to run a company using counting beads while the rest of the world uses Excel and Sage – I might be a tad demotivated too.

    And of course, I’m not sure how you could watch that game and explain how the PPs were 6 to 2 … But that’s an old story now.

  57. square_wheels says:

    G Money,

    I though Calgary’s PP looked good, in the first period that I watched.

    How do we get a good PP, do we need some talented forwards ?

    Ohhhhhh I just had an epiphany, maybe an offensive D with a hard accurate shot. That seems like a great place to start.

    FIX THE FUCKING D

  58. Stelio Kontos says:

    Thought you would have been all over Eberle. Long as I can remember you’ve hated him.

  59. Water Fire says:

    I don’t feel sorry for Hall, Eberle, Yak or any of them. Hall and the other 1 ov’s in particular are supposed to be the main thing that makes the team better. They are still playing like rookies far into the battle. Their Corsi might be good but they get outscored.

    Scoring for is not the main part of any sport. High offense teams that can’t play the all of the aspects of a game are rarely champions in any sport. Despite the Oilers skill, hockey is such a team sport especially now they don’t even qualify as high offense.

    Players like Eberle kill the team IMO because he’s not good enough at anything. He’s all lumber, but he’s swinging 2×4’s and to be that incomplete a player he needs to be swinging 2×8’s like Ovi or Kane.

    No team can win with players being selfish. You can blame a lousy D corp, that Talbot is a pretty spotty starter at this point, but other teams win with a pretty lacklustre back end when injuries strike or otherwise and average goalering. It’s a highly fluid team game, and without a strong system players contribute to, talent alone won’t win.

    I think McLellan knows about the game and he is reiterating this constantly.

  60. russ99 says:

    The Sutter quote is misleading, and way too often uses to prop up the fancy stats ideal of all puck movers on D and that exit/entry passes and possession are all that matter.

    The Hawks and Bruins are playing now, sit down and watch and see how winning organizations do it.

    Watch how defenseman and forwards play as a unit and cover for each other positionally in the D zone, and how the goaltender isn’t constantly tested by skater breakdowns, and tell me again how there’s no such thing as playing defense.

    There’s no reason whatsoever can’t have that here, but 3.5 lines of skill player and puck movers dipsy-doodling all over the ice, forgetting fundamentals and how to play as a unit isn’t the way to get there.

  61. slopitch says:

    Folks, if you were surprised he lost his man on the first goal, I cannot help you. We have seen this for six years. Did you not wonder why these young Oilers don’t get mentioned in the Selke conversation? Eberle is never going to be the guy who backchecks, you don’t have the light turn on six years in. Eberle is all lumber, and no leather.

    What’s next “he never backchecked for 6 years in the NHL and how you want him to back check in the playoffs?” It’s not ok for our players like Yak and Eberle to be one dimensional while the rest of the league plays a 2 way game. It took Andrew Cogliano a new team to figure this out. Sam Gagner and Robert Nilsson didn’t figure it out. I suspect Chai is entertaining moving Eberle for a dman and hiring Louie Eriksson for 5 million. Lost in all of the size talk is that Chai had 3 of the best 2 way forwards in the game on his Boston team (Krejci, Marchand and Bergeron).

    I like our core because I’m a fan. But I think the losing, lack of structure/accountability throughout the organization has crushed their soul. The flip side of the argument is that our best dman last night (Sekera) is at best a 4 on Calgary and the core just needs a d core that supports the play and helps the team play a possession game. It’s not black and white here. Make the right call Chai.

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  63. Water Fire says:

    For the record I don’t have opinions about any players except that they win the battles that lead to winning the war. They can all stay if they start playing better and together. I don’t think it’s going to happen if it hasn’t by now.

  64. Caramel Batman says:

    I also hate the idea of a “cluster.” It’s pure reification, with no referrent in the real world. An absolutely awful heuristic.

    If you use the word cluster in the context of a hockey then you forego your ability to contribute meaningful to conversation. There is no such thing (i.e. it depends upon arbitrary designations) and it necessarily leads you to the conclusion that since something must change, the cluster is a thing to be changed. This leads you to getting rid of your best players

    That’s the wrong way to look at it.

    The right way is to say:

    1) This team is not good enough.
    2) The team is not good enough because it’s players are not good enough.
    3) So get rid of your worst players.
    4) Replace them with better players.

    If you think this through properly you see that Eberle and Hall are not the problem. They are your best players. The problem is the other guys. If you can replace Eberle and Hall with better players fine, do that. But since you can’t (they have Oiler tainted reputations) the solution is unequivocably not to replace them with worse players. That would be the true death spiral.

  65. Wolf Of Ross St says:

    So many comments re Fayne, “these pretzels are making me head ache”
    We have LD & mud, so no better option.
    Expensive 3rd pairing RD. End of story.

    I like the idea of nibbling around the edges and adding what we can this summer, however.
    Any chance of Chia doing that, died on the table last night. IMO.

    No one can tell me Kelly Hrudey isnt a Fucking Muppet, but I had a hard time disagreeing with his assessment of Jordan. Last night CBC showed a highlight of Eberles magical 1st career tally, against Cgy no less. I had forgotten & it made me emotional over the prospect of seeing him dealt. It’s no small thing, we have a history, sad history yes but still a history.

  66. Lowetide says:

    Caramel Batman:
    I also hate the idea of a “cluster.”It’s pure reification, with no referrent in the real world.An absolutely awful heuristic.

    If you use the word cluster in the context of a hockey then you forego your ability to contribute meaningful to conversation.

    Disagree. It is a word used to describe a specific group, the center of the build.

  67. Johnny Larue says:

    Soup Fascist:
    What scares me is despite the odd “F Me!!” last night watching this game – I really did not care.

    I admit I am curious about the new rink next year and hopefully watching a full healthy season of McDavid – but other than that, I am not sure I care anymore. The last decade has stripped virtually all the joy of following this team out of me.

    If I feel the same way in 12 months time, I am confident I will have no qualms voting with my wallet and letting Mr. Katz know I have way better things to spend $20K plus on.I think many folks are going to be in the same boat. The new barn and 97 bought
    exactly one year of goodwill from me – what are you going to do with that year, fellas?

    It’s your move, Boys. Make it a good one.

    Exactly I have been a season ticket holder 22 years and if not for the new arena I would have given them up a couple of years ago. To add injury to insult they almost doubled my ticket prices .If they don’t make the playoffs next year look for a mass exodus it will be ugly.

  68. Lowetide says:

    Wolf Of Ross St:
    So many comments re Fayne, “these pretzels are making me head ache”
    We have LD & mud, so no better option.
    Expensive 3rd pairing RD.End of story.

    Actually, not end of story. Fayne absolutely has issues, but he is signed and is an actual NHL defenseman. As soon as the Oilers get three better RH D, then by all means trade him. We are a long way from that day.

  69. Jordan says:

    wheatnoil:
    AHL defense indeed!

    I miss Oscar. And Brandon. At least with them there was some chance.

    McLellan should be mad… but not at his team. He should be putting the management team out for a Na skate today… they don’t have a CBA mandated day off!

    Who would have thought that building a competitive team after going scorched-earth on it would take time? Who?

  70. Lowetide says:

    slopitch:
    Folks, if you were surprised he lost his man on the first goal, I cannot help you. We have seen this for six years. Did you not wonder why these young Oilers don’t get mentioned in the Selke conversation? Eberle is never going to be the guy who backchecks, you don’t have the light turn on six years in. Eberle is all lumber, and no leather.

    What’s next “he never backchecked for 6 years in the NHL and how you want him to back check in the playoffs?”It’s not ok for our players like Yak and Eberle to be one dimensional while the rest of the league plays a 2 way game. It took Andrew Cogliano a new team to figure this out. Sam Gagner and Robert Nilsson didn’t figure it out. I suspect Chai is entertaining moving Eberle for a dman and hiring Louie Eriksson for 5 million.Lost in all of the size talk is that Chai had 3 of the best 2 way forwards in the game on his Boston team (Krejci, Marchand and Bergeron).

    I like our core because I’m a fan. But I think the losing, lack of structure/accountability throughout the organization has crushed their soul. The flip side of the argument is that our best dman last night (Sekera) is at best a 4 on Calgary and the core just needs a d core that supports the play and helps the team play a possession game. It’s not black and white here. Make the right call Chai.

    You can’t ice 12 forwards and six defensemen who are all elite two-way players. So, you look for some cleanup hitters and some sick shortstops. There are always going to be holes in a lineup.

  71. Lowetide says:

    russ99:
    The Sutter quote is misleading, and way too often uses to prop up the fancy stats ideal of all puck movers on D and that exit/entry passes and possession are all that matter.

    The Hawks and Bruins are playing now, sit down and watch and see how winning organizations do it.

    Watch how defenseman and forwards play as a unit and cover for each other positionally in the D zone,and how the goaltender isn’t constantly tested by skater breakdowns, and tell me again how there’s no such thing as playing defense.

    There’s no reason whatsoever can’t have that here, but 3.5 lines of skill player and puck movers dipsy-doodling all over the ice, forgetting fundamentals and how to play as a unit isn’t the way to get there.

    Nothing you have written here is out of place in the Sutter comment. Nothing. Both Bruins and Hawks are all about getting possession and turning the puck in the right direction. All game.

  72. Caramel Batman says:

    Lowetide: Disagree. It is a word used to describe a specific group, the center of the build.

    It exists only in your head. Each team is different, composed of different players, coached by different people, faced with different circumstances.

    Using the word cluster falsely (that is without theoretical or empirical evidence) identifies the “cluster” as not simply a common feature but the essential feature of those teams, which then allows them to be blamed for their failures.

    The use of the language determines the conclusion. This is how human beings reason.

    Trust me on this. If you want to resist the Hall train out of town you have to argue against the use of the word cluster. They are linked.

    Language drives decisions. Always.

  73. Wolf Of Ross St says:

    Johnny Larue,

    Excellent point, couldn’t agree more, haha

  74. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Caramel Batman:
    I also hate the idea of a “cluster.”It’s pure reification, with no referrent in the real world.An absolutely awful heuristic.

    If you use the word cluster in the context of a hockey then you forego your ability to contribute meaningful to conversation.There is no such thing (i.e. it depends upon arbitrary designations) and it necessarily leads you to the conclusion that since something must change, the cluster is a thing to be changed.This leads you to getting rid of your best players

    That’s the wrong way to look at it.

    The right way is to say:

    1) This team is not good enough.
    2) The team is not good enough because it’s players are not good enough.
    3) So get rid of your worst players.
    4) Replace them with better players.

    If you think this through properly you see that Eberle and Hall are not the problem.They are your best players.The problem is the other guys.If you can replace Eberle and Hall with better players fine, do that.But since you can’t (they have Oiler tainted reputations) the solution is unequivocably not to replace them with worse players.That would be the true death spiral.

    I believe “cluster” as used on this blog generally refers to “windows of opportunity” given various factors (group: age, performance peaks, contract status, cap room, etc.)

    I think the word you are targeting with this rant is “core” as in “the core is rotten”

    The shorthand “cluster” and “core” have quite different referents.

  75. Water Fire says:

    Caramel Batman:
    I also hate the idea of a “cluster.”It’s pure reification, with no referrent in the real world.An absolutely awful heuristic.

    If you use the word cluster in the context of a hockey then you forego your ability to contribute meaningful to conversation.There is no such thing (i.e. it depends upon arbitrary designations) and it necessarily leads you to the conclusion that since something must change, the cluster is a thing to be changed.This leads you to getting rid of your best players

    That’s the wrong way to look at it.

    The right way is to say:

    1) This team is not good enough.
    2) The team is not good enough because it’s players are not good enough.
    3) So get rid of your worst players.
    4) Replace them with better players.

    If you think this through properly you see that Eberle and Hall are not the problem.They are your best players.The problem is the other guys.If you can replace Eberle and Hall with better players fine, do that.But since you can’t (they have Oiler tainted reputations) the solution is unequivocably not to replace them with worse players.That would be the true death spiral.

    This is true, but if your best players can’t play against other best players successfully, what do you do?

    Chiarelli has said he wants players that can play. I am still nervous about what he does in that regard, but this level of failure can’t be hung on one or two D. It’s a much bigger failure than that, a deeper issue.

    We are all surprised that teams that look weak on paper compete and win. The Oilers are dead opposite to that.

    I’m not advocating reducing ability, but what works in the NHL I think looks different than what many seem to think. one area in particular is the offensive D.

    Watch Doughty play. Defense first, with a physical element. He’s the best D in the game. He’s not rushing the puck up the ice constantly, although he could. The turnstile flashy D that need sheltering and can’t play first pairing won’t help like you’d think on a team this weak. The Oilers need more healthy Klefboms and Sekeras, not 60 points from a D that gets outscored still. The teams with the chaotic high offense guys don’t seem to win when it counts either. St Louis might be the exception because Bouwmeester and Pietrangelo are so good.

    The PP thing as well isn’t about a big slap shot. The slap shot isn’t used nearly as much as it was because there isn’t enough time and space anymore . What the PP needs is defense that move the puck to the right place quickly enough and get shots through. The points follow that, not a big shot leading to points outside of like three players in the league which the Oilers aren’t getting.

    This is why Klefbom had his surprise offense. It’s not about flashy obvious skills. Playing smart, putting the puck to the right place with enough tempo is the key to everything. It’s what the best players do, every game.

  76. Lowetide says:

    Caramel Batman: It exists only in your head.Each team is different, composed of different players, coached by different people, faced with different circumstances.

    Using the word cluster falsely (that is without theoretical or empirical evidence) identifies the “cluster” as not simply a common feature but the essential feature of those teams, which then allows them to be blamed for their failures.

    The use of the language determines the conclusion.This is how human beings reason.

    Trust me on this.If you want to resist the Hall train out of town you have to argue against the use of the word cluster.They are linked.

    Language drives decisions.Always.

    I don’t connect Hall to the word cluster, but do connect Hall to his cluster. This appears to be a point of contention for you, so don’t want you to feel targeted when you see it in the future on this blog.

  77. GCW_69 says:

    Ryan:
    GCW_69,

    There are strange things done in the midnight sun by the men who moil for gold.

    Someone in the organization thought it wise to ensure one-dimensional offensive talents like Gagner and Schultz were always paid in full plus given prime minutes and teammates regardless of having severe defensive deficiencies.Operant conditioning and all…

    That and the reluctance to really fire anyone in management despite massive blunders like paying Nikitin $9 million dollars, the Ference contract, giving away Petry for nothing…If there’s a cultural problem with this team, it stems from the top of the organization,

    I concur, and said so in my response to Melman. The root cause in undoubtedly management. What I think may have happened is a dysfunctional culture has formed among the players or a group of the players as a result of or in response to management’s dysfunctional culture. That leaves the question will a new management culture form quickly enough and well that new culture change the player level culture, and if yes, will it change it fast enough?

    What I heard from TMac suggests the pace of cultural change at the players level is not proceeding fast enough.

    There is an old joke in change management circles that goes, “sometimes the best change management approach is to change management”. The oilers have half assed that one. Well, sometimes the best approach to driving change amongst the rank and file is to change the rank and file.

    We will see.

  78. Wolf Of Ross St says:

    Lowetide,

    Agree, my point was that I believe he is (3rd pairing RD) based on talent. I’m on the same page regarding what the Oilers should do (keep him) but if he is batting higher in the order, then there will be “No Soup(playoffs) For You!!”
    Fair?

  79. PhrankLee says:

    All one needs to do to be the vaunted “2 way player” is to be relevant to the play on the back check.

    All that requires is effort and understanding the system.

    You do not have to be Selke material just committed enough to give the effort to be relevant to the play on the back check.

    Any apologists for this team and anyone on it except maybe 2 guys are farting through their hats.

  80. Caramel Batman says:

    Lowetide: I don’t connect Hall to the word cluster, but do connect Hall to his cluster. This appears to be a point of contention for you, so don’t want you to feel targeted when you see it in the future on this blog.

    I won’t feel targeted, I just wanted to point out how the use of the word leads to certain conclusions.

  81. jp says:

    Busy this morning and just reading the post now.

    Thanks for the level head LT.

  82. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    russ99:
    The Sutter quote is misleading, and way too often uses to prop up the fancy stats ideal of all puck movers on D and that exit/entry passes and possession are all that matter.

    The Hawks and Bruins are playing now, sit down and watch and see how winning organizations do it.

    Watch how defenseman and forwards play as a unit and cover for each other positionally in the D zone,and how the goaltender isn’t constantly tested by skater breakdowns, and tell me again how there’s no such thing as playing defense.

    There’s no reason whatsoever can’t have that here, but 3.5 lines of skill player and puck movers dipsy-doodling all over the ice, forgetting fundamentals and how to play as a unit isn’t the way to get there.

    The dichotomy set out by the Sutter quote isn’t: individual skill vs. unit cohesion

    It’s: puck possession vs living in your own end but blocking a lot of shots and hitting a lot of bodies.

  83. sumaclab says:

    Had such a good laugh at the HNIC post game panel. Kelly Hrudey can be such a myopic ass. Good land the level of stupidity on the panel almost equaled that from Donald Trump this week. The core is rotten mantra is so cliché that it seems the fallback argument when the Oilers fail to meet the expectations of the pundits.
    67%.I could not agree more with your argument. My goodness what team in the world would say that they are competitive with 4/6 that were on the ice last night? So many times this season we are asking players to play in posiions that are way above their paygrade and experience.
    To say that the Oilers were bad last night is mote. The argument could be made that they were not successful . Ortio looked all world last night. he had a good night.Considering the 8-3 beatdown Calgary took the other night.Johnny Gudreau scored on the road.That in itself is an event.He scores at a 3-1 ratio home to road. That tells you something about the player.
    The Flames have poured money into their 6 dmen.They have benefited greatly. Not going to last much longer. 3 RFAs plus a goalie is going to see the Flames have to make some sacrifices on the backend.
    The Oilers have paid the price on the front end. Hall Ebs and RNH all with 6m a year contracts. They drafted from the front. And it has cost them.
    The upcoming draft may see us in a top 3 position nce again. Even 4th. If the cost of Hamonic or vatenen or whoever is that pick then so be it.
    Chia must add one RHD defender. Top 4. Great.Top 2.Even better.
    If the Oilers are looking to improve players like Hall and McDavid and LD are essential.
    Eberle is what he is. With McDavid is he a 40 goal player next year? Id bet on it. Not a player I trade.
    Yak? He should be given every opportunity to play with LD and Hall.Not ML or AL.
    If the Oilers by some miracle can find a trade for Korpo thank the Hockey Gods. If not. Buy him out. Buy Ference out.
    I have no man crush on Fayne. Pay the 50% and ship him out.
    Kassian? 2 way. League minimum
    Gryba? Sure why not.
    Be patient and see where the chips fall this June /July.
    in the light of a new day the work Chia has to do is not enviable. He and TM have lots of work to do. Last night was probably a good thing. Better that result than a 3-2 loss where everyone feels kinda good.
    You think there will be a lot of open ears next practice?
    2 more irrelevant games. Then the real work for Chia and TM begins.

  84. Water Fire says:

    Another theme that seems off base to me is that the Oilers have to win in Connor’s ELC or it won’t happen. All of the good teams win with their best players past that point. Good players get paid. The key is choosing the right group as your base and finding players yearly to augment that and playing a system really well.

    I didn’t use cluster on purpose there!

  85. fifthcartel says:

    I’m pretty impressed they (likely) have 30th place locked up. I would have guessed between 22-26, but a healthier lineup probably gets them there.

    Watching the game with some friends I always hear the usual “they don’t care”, “trading Taylor Hall makes them a better team”, “no heart/emotion, they need a new Smith/Staios”, but the problem has always been the defense and the rest is just fluff. Fix the defense and patch up the bottom-six, its simple.

  86. GCW_69 says:

    GCW_69: Thanks. Yes, I think their was / is a cultural issue within management and I hope Nicholson / Chiarelli has the authority to deal with it.

    Sad thing is, if cultural within this group of players is now a problem, the root cause of that dysfunction probably originated as a reaction to the poor culture within management.

  87. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Getting back to handedness… I’m pretty sure an all RHD team would win the cup in a cakewalk.

  88. Bryan says:

    Caramel often has a contrary and belligerent approach in his posts but often many seeds of truth as well. I agree that labelling certain players as a cluster is not a practical approach to analyzing a team. Where do you start and stop with the labels and deciding which men belong in which group? Players come and go and the lines become very blurry so it is much more useful to look at the team as a whole when deciding what needs to be changed. To say that a core is rotten or that certain players are losers is just silly. It all comes don to the environment that they are placed in and if they are given a proper chance to succeed. If Patrick Kane had come here instead of Sam Gagner is there much chance that he would have three Stanley Cups and be viewed upon as a winner and a clutch scorer? It is much more likely that he would by now be tarred with the same negative brush as the other high draft picks and would be getting eviscerated by experts on various broadcasts. Players need to be put into a position to succeed and the Oiler management has failed them miserably in this regard. Obviously some players have more personal integrity and work ethic than others but the large percentage of hockey players want to win and will work towards this goal if given a proper opportunity.

  89. McSorley33 says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Truth.

    The team QUIT.

    The apologists….simply incredible.

  90. Gret99zky says:

    “It’s possible to have good numbers and get noticed for negative things—single moments and events can have super importance while being exactly single moments and events.”

    This team is much more palatable when a decade is viewed as a single event rather than 781 games.

    Turns out the Oilers have had good numbers for a decade but have been noticed for negative things.

    RE: Eberle. You are right. As long as Ebs keeps knocking them out of the park, it doesn’t matter that he makes an error here and there. A leopard can not change his stripes.

    Now that spring has arrived and the season is nearly over it’s nice to take a break from “hoping for the best”.

    What’s that new Russian proverb?

    “We stopped giving a shit, and it still turned out like always. But with much less pain.”

  91. Lowetide says:

    Caramel Batman: I won’t feel targeted, I just wanted to point out how the use of the word leads to certain conclusions.

    Sure. But I believe the reader knows what I am saying, and I like the word. 🙂

  92. Eakins Beard says:

    Lowetide, while I appreciate your positive praise for your list of players you would bring back, I think there is a broken dynamic with the “core” and everyone else. Big mistake by MacT to stroke his young, new talent, reassuring them that this is their team and they are the one’s to be built around. Easy to get complacent and comfortable with this approach, especially when dealing with young, talented rookies. Sure, they can score pretty goals and show flashes of their potential sometimes but it’s easy to see the Us vs. Them mentality. “We’re the talent, you’re just supporting cast”. Our Oilers don’t play like a team, just pockets of kids that make different salaries occasionally showing why they should make more…or less.

    Hard to deny the individual talent on this team, but players are cogs in a machine; you need the right ones in the right places, doing the right things to make the machine move. We need players who are hungry every night that play with collective, not individual passion and pride.

    Also, I don’t get the notion that certain players just aren’t the type to back-check (here’s looking at you Ebs). We’re not talking about a skillset that takes years to cultivate and perfect. All it takes is effort. Just skate hard to stop they other guy from scoring……

  93. Stelio Kontos says:

    Trade Eberle for hamonic, sign stamkos and demers.

    Hall RNH Drai
    Pouliot CMD Maroon
    Kassian Stamkos Matthews/Laine
    Hendricks XXX XXX

    Klef Hamonic
    Sekera Fayne
    Davidson Demers

    I’m joking, but only kind of.

  94. Chris says:

    I find it hard to get upset about Oilers losses anymore there have simply been too many. It’s irksome that this has persisted for so long. All we can really take solace in is that we now appear to have a competent GM to muck out the Augean stables that the franchise has become. It’s rather clear that the defense and the bottom six are entirely inadequate to the task and new bodies have to be brought in. At least now we have a GM whom won a Stanely Cup for being a GM as opposed to being a non-essential part of the 1980s Edmonton Oilers as a player

  95. McSorley33 says:

    Our D sucks. Has all year. Nothing new here…

    People actually think TMac is livid at GR, Oesterle, Pardy, Nurse, etc?

  96. Gret99zky says:

    #BringBackTheMall

  97. sliderule says:

    I don’t like the “single moments and events “quotation..After all that is what life is made up of just all those items adding up to a portrait..When you continue to excuse them you get a portrait featuring the oilers.

    It’s not like Eberle and Nuge are rookies.I am sure they have been told time and time again to find a man and stay with him to net.

    I wonder if the oilers had gone with bridge contracts rather than making them 6 million dollar men if their attention span would have been better.

  98. Bruce McCurdy says:

    One of the reasons i’m sour is that this is four years in a row Oilers have ended the season series vs Calgary with a late-season game on home ice & on HNiC, & they’ve unloaded a steaming pile of horse droppings on the big Oil drop logo each time.

    2013 Apr 13 – Calgary 4 Edmonton 1
    2014 Mar 22 – Calgary 8 Edmonton 1
    2015 Apr 04 – Calgary 4 Edmonton 0
    2016 Apr 02 – Calgary 5 Edmonton 0

    I had the “pleasure” of attending the first (& closest!) of those games, & those fans that didn’t leave early were booing the team off the ice at the end. Steve Tambellini got fired the following Monday.

    The 2014 game was the Hall-Eakins watter bottle game. The last two years have just been shitkickings with shutouts for dessert.

    21 goals to 2. Have a nice summer, Oil fans, secure in the knowledge that your team is 5 goals worse than that gordawful team down the highway.

    One of these centuries a sign of progress would be a nice touch. Say a respectable 3-2 or 5-3 loss instead of yet another fucking Flame-out.

  99. Chris says:

    Also I feel like I should chime in to agree with Lowetide that Fayne is worth keeping around. He was signed to a contract gambling that he would be able to take the next step and be a top 4 option. He’s proven to be subpar as a top 4 option. He’s basically a really good 5th defenseman who can fill in on the second pair if you need him to. He has limited offense. In some ways he reminds me of Steve Staois. I understand the primal rage people have about the defense but really the anger is that substantial dollars have been devoted to Souray, a cripple, Ferrence, Justin Shultz and Nikitan in turn. There was a time when the Oilers could pull servicable defensemen out of their ass but that time seems to have been the late 90s and early 2000s as since then they have flailed around like a blind man. To add insult to injury when they inadvertently discovered good defensemen they traded them away seemingly to ensure that the Montreal Canadians have no shortage of competent right handed defensemen.

    However, we must remember none of that is Mark Fayne’s fault. He’s simply a little overpaid because we hoped he could take on a bit more responsibility than he actually could. Still a useful player.

  100. Professor Q says:

    Lowetide: Nothing you have written here is out of place in the Sutter comment. Nothing. Both Bruins and Hawks are all about getting possession and turning the puck in the right direction. All game.

    Looks like Boston is getting the Edmonton treatment today.

  101. highgloveside says:

    Everyone knows Eberle doesn’t backcheck,. The problem is he has an “A” on his sweater, is considered a leader and a part of the core. You can have Eberle type players but they can’t be a leader or part of the core. If a leader doesn’t set a good example then nobody follows. Since he is one of the “veteran” Oilers he will always be considered a leader and that is why he needs to be traded. You need leaders that players will follow into battle.

  102. Caramel Batman says:

    The other problem with the word “cluster” or any such word is that it defines in advance what is only knowable at the end. However, human beings never live at the end, there is always another decision to be made. This leads to mistakes, even by smart people in good organizations, such as the Hawks re-signing Seabrook.

    It was easy to walk away from Oduya, hard to walk away from Seabrook, because Seabrook was a “key piece.” There are no key pieces either. There are just players. Everyone can be replaced, no one (good) can be replaced easily. Magical terms should be dismissed. All that matters is good and bad, measured on a linear scale.

  103. stephen sheps says:

    Apropos of nothing, Patrick Kane now has 100 points on the season.
    I feel bad for the Bruins. They’ve been my eastern conference default team/back up for when the Oilers crap out since the Oilers first beat them in the SCF in ’88.

    I hope this loss wakes them up and they find a way to still make the playoffs. I don’t expect them to go very far, but I’d rather cheer for a team I genuinely like for a little while before I decide to stop using hockey as my distraction from the endless pile of grading.

  104. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide,
    From last night:

    Mark Fayne was not on the ice for a goal against in any situation this evening. In 5-on-5 play, the shots were 9-4 in Edmonton’s favour when he was on the ice. In 2:12 on the penalty kill, Calgary failed to get even one shot on net.

    He played 16:33, the lowest total of any defender.

    explain please.

  105. Stelio Kontos says:

    highgloveside:
    Everyone knows Eberle doesn’t backcheck,.The problem is he has an “A” on his sweater, is considered a leader and a part of the core.You can have Eberle type players but they can’t be a leader or part of the core.If a leader doesn’t set a good example then nobody follows.Since he is one of the “veteran” Oilers he will always be considered a leader and that is why he needs to be traded.You need leaders that players will follow into battle.

    They are full grown adults. Hendricks isn’t looking at eberle thinking he doesn’t have to back check. The letter is just that. The core isn’t rotten, and eberle didn’t make a lazy play to my eye, just a dumb one.

  106. frjohnk says:

    Professor Q: Looks like Boston is getting the Edmonton treatment today.

    Panarian with 8 points in the last 5 periods. That’s right periods.

    72 points for a rookie is the most since Kane in 08.

    McDavid is the best rookie but Panarins push here at the end will probably not end Edmontons Calder drought.

  107. DBO says:

    Balance.
    Two way players
    High Give a Crap meter
    Actual NHL defenseman (minimum 2. One that can help offensively)
    A PP that is not a black hole (see above)

    I know sometimes people discount “character, grit, etc “, and in hockey especially “team chemistry “. These are not just real things, they are equal to skill. You miss one, you don’t win.

    If Todd thinks he needs some heart transplants, and our offensive skill decreases to increase our defensive skill, grit and effort. Then do it yesterday.

  108. Professor Q says:

    stephen sheps:
    Apropos of nothing, Patrick Kane now has 100 points on the season.
    I feel bad for the Bruins. They’ve been my eastern conference default team/back up for when the Oilers crap out since the Oilers first beat them in the SCF in ’88.

    I hope this loss wakes them up and they find a way to still make the playoffs. I don’t expect them to go very far, but I’d rather cheer for a team I genuinely like for a little while before I decide to stop using hockey as my distraction from the endless pile of grading.

    And is apparently the first player in 22 years to reach 100 points, according to some sources…

  109. Professor Q says:

    frjohnk: Panarian with 8 points in the last 5 periods. That’s right periods.

    72 points for a rookie is the most since Kane in 08.

    McDavid is the best rookie but Panarins push here at the end will probably not end Edmontons Calder drought.

    True, but McDavid has the most PPG since Ovechkin.

  110. Centre of attention says:

    “Yet, Hall says they aren’t ‘best friends.’ For both, that is something that would reside with childhood buddies. However, Hall says when Eberle gets married he’ll be in Jordan’s wedding party. From everything I’ve seen and heard from the two, I think that’s something you can bet on.”

    From Gene’s post on Hall & Eb’s @ Oilers website.

    So Hall doesn’t think they are “best friends” but he hopes he can come and crash Jordans wedding reception at least. Classic Hallsy 😛

  111. Oil2Oilers says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Getting back to handedness… I’m pretty sure an all RHD team would win the cup in a cakewalk.

    I think you mean to say they would win the Cup handly

  112. DBO says:

    You don’t move out all the skill. But you build a roster like a house. Strong foundation, some boards, big and small, some specific pieces that make it work, and a lot of mudding and tapping (grit and effort) .

    Trade Some skill to increase the missing bit pieces and obviously the defensive quality. Crazy to expect different results with the same plan over and over. Hopefully Chia makes this happen soon.

  113. Lowetide says:

    Centre of attention:
    Lowetide,
    From last night:

    Mark Fayne was not on the ice for a goal against in any situation this evening. In 5-on-5 play, the shots were 9-4 in Edmonton’s favour when he was on the ice. In 2:12 on the penalty kill, Calgary failed to get even one shot on net.

    He played 16:33, the lowest total of any defender.

    explain please.

    McLellan has played him as a five all year, save for evens and then he is with Sekera most of the time (while also playing limited minutes). EV ice time seemed fairly even last night, doesn’t look like anyone played 18 minutes or anything at that discipline.

  114. Fog of Warts says:

    I broke curfew the other night to read So You’ve Been Publicly Shamed in a single “sitting” (picture a mermaid with scoliosis sprawled sideways on a rubbery ice flow).

    Stephen King could not have done a better treatment of flesh-eating weasels.

    The crème de le résistance is one Adria Richards, precipitous ball-breaker extraordinaire.

    Attending a PyCon conference as a developer evangelist, instead of turning around and saying “you know guys, I’m not all that happy overhearing your juvenile innuendos, she just pulls out her camera, photographs them with no comment, and later posts them on Twitter.

    Hank loses his job. One of them later posts online “I lost my job over this”. 4chan picks up the torch and Adria then gets drubbed online in every orifice with every sharp-edged object known to man and beast. Her employer is also targeted. She loses her job.

    Months later she suggests to Jon Ronson (the author, and self-confessed Twitter weasel himself) that maybe Hank is to blame for her fate by complaining online about getting fired.

    “yet he framed it in a way to blame me … If I had a spouse and two kids to support I certainly would not be telling ‘jokes’ like he was doing at a conference.”

    Man, this could not have gone worse for everyone involved if the Korean grocery store confrontation in Do The Right Thing had been set instead in the Hindenburg’s dinning lounge.

    At the end of the day, Hank is quickly rehired (at an all-male development shop) while her own career-resumption prospects (at the time of this book) remained murky.

    A Dongle Joke That Spiraled Way Out Of Control

    I was reading Mahatma Gandhi’s autobiography this weekend (really) and he wrote: “We win justice quickest by rendering justice to the other party.”

    ———

    God: [To Jesus] Well, are you ready for your Big Return?

    Jesus: Not really. [Jesus continues eating one nacho chip after another from a truly bottomless bag.]

    God: Well, come on, leadbutt, it’s high time!

    Jesus: Nah.

    God: What!?

    Jesus: It can wait.

    God: Egads, where’s your spirit, boy? There are millions of people who would give their eye teeth to play the Main Man in the Second Coming.

    Jesus: Only their teeth?

    God: Enough with the grousing already—you really are down in the dumps, aren’t you? Tell me. I’m your father. What is it? You can tell me anything.

    Jesus: Twitter.

    God: Twitter what?

    Jesus: Twitter.

    God: Twitter? Just “Twitter”?

    Jesus: Seems like you’ve never heard of it.

    God: It’s not ringing a bell. Am I missing something important?

    Jesus: No, not really.

    God: Your dark tone concerns me. I’m going to check this out immediately.

    Jesus: You do that. Then, after you give Twitter a thorough once over—if you’re still feeling up to it—how about we meet at an Irish pub?

    God: Since when did “once over” count as thorough?—and, wait a second, did you just tell me you found an Irish pub? Here? In heaven?

    Jesus: Strictly word of mouth. You’ll have to dress incognito.

    God: Moi? Incognito?

    Jesus: You know, you’re becoming a bit of an echo chamber in your old age. Have you never been to an Irish pub?

    God: Uh, not in billowing raiment garbed, per se.

    Jesus: Well then, I suggest double incognito if it’s your first time. For authenticity we don’t do infinite beer mugs—or infinite bladders, either. If anyone recognizes you meandering on the walk home into some dark corner of some dark alley with your—

    God: —don’t say it—

    Jesus: —hanging out, somehow I don’t think you’ll ever live that down.

    God: Come, now. Your old man is an old hand at damage control. How bad could it be?

    Jesus: Hey, I have an idea! Just this once, how about we not put that question to the ultimate test?

    God: But I so love a challenge.

    Jesus [makes a sour face then holds up his nacho hand] Hey, look, my fingers have turned all orange!

    God: Okay, I get it, this conversation is over. See you at the pub just as soon as I complete this quick once over. [To avert the annoying photic boom, God confines his boning-up on Twitter to below warp speed.]

    God [blanching]: Oh, cripes!

    Jesus: You called?

    God slumps to the floor.

    God: How are we even going to walk there with this dark blot upon the mind?

    Jesus: Buck up, old man. Arm in arm, we can walk there together.

  115. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide,

    I guess I’m just upset that as a steady veteran he isn’t being valued by the majority of fans as well as the coaching staff.

    Its unsettling, because this teams problems start and end with the D core.

  116. vinotintazo says:

    frjohnk: Panarian with 8 points in the last 5 periods. That’s right periods.

    72 points for a rookie is the most since Kane in 08.

    McDavid is the best rookie but Panarins push here at the end will probably not end Edmontons Calder drought.

    Meh, leine will win it for the Oil next year!

  117. fuzzy muppet says:

    The biggest shame is that this organization has taken me, a fan for 32 years, and made me not care anymore.

    Trade Taylor Hall? Don’t care
    Trade Jordan Eberle? Don’t care
    Trade Darnell Nurse? Don’t care

    Outside of 97, they can all go as far as I’m concerned, I don’t care anymore.

    97 is the Only reason to watch this shit show. Fuck the Oilers

  118. blainer says:

    LT it amazes me how you can write such a great post after yet another debacle of a game last night. Thank Gord I did not see much of it.

    I now see us as going through two rebuilds. No cluster words here.

    The first rebuild IMO has failed. Hall Ebs Nuge Yak and Jultz. It’s too bad we were unable to get that D to support the forwards for these years but we are where we are.

    2nd rebuild.

    Nurse Drai CMD and hopefully Laine. This rebuild I believe has more talent and will get The D support the first rebuild lacked due to not having enough assets for trade and the lack of interest for players to sign here.

    I am fine moving forward with Hall Ebs and Nuge but if we want to get Hamonic and say Spurgeon we need to give up more than just Nurse and Yak to get them. I am not for trading Laine if we get the chance. CMD and Laine will be unstoppable IMO.

    I’m writing this season off due to injury as well. Just shit luck this year.

  119. speeds says:

    Anyone think CHI might trade Anisimov this summer preemptively, partially as a cap measure but also because of the looming expansion draft? Is he a potential fit, depending on other EDM moves?

  120. highgloveside says:

    McLellan has a good idea of who the problem players are and he and PC will discuss them and most of them will be shipped out of town. I just think they need to trade away more than 3-4 players to cut out the crap and hope that this team has at least 6 new faces at training camp.

    The plan should be to figure out who you want to add to the team first, after that, you trade the guys required to get those people. Will we see some good players leave the team? Probably. Are those good players good for the Oilers? Probably not.

    Below I listed the players in each position in the order I feel they should be considered being traded based on level of return, team value, contract value as well as if the team is no further ahead trading them.

    Centers and the order I would trade them

    Nuge
    Draisaitl
    Letestu
    McDavid

    I have Letestu lower then Draisaitl only because he will get less in return to help the team and at most it is a lateral move with no real benefits and it may be hard to replace him with equal value

    LW in the Order I would trade

    Pouliot
    Hendricks
    Maroon
    Hall

    I see Hendricks, Maroon and Hall as players that make no sense to trade, they bring more to the team that what the return would be and Maroon has incredible contract value.

    RW in the order I would trade

    Eberle
    Yakapov
    Korpikoski
    Pakaranin

    Korpikoski should be traded no matter what the return but is listed lower only because what he brings back won’t help the team, it would likely be a pick. I put Yak below Eberle only because trading Eberle will get you back a piece the team desperately needs and Yak won’t do that. I would wait to trade Yak until they know what happens with Eberle, if you trade Eberle, Yak moves up to a scoring line which could boost his trade value in the future or revitalize him. If you trade Yak and then Eberle, that is a huge hole on the right side to fill.

    LD in the order I would trade

    Davidson
    Klefbom
    Nurse
    Sekera

    With the depth the Oilers have in this position, value has a bit to do with it. Nurse has a higher celiling than Davidson. Klefbom has a lot of value in a trade and Nurse won’t get his worth back. If a LD is traded I would expect only one and that would be Davidson as he would be missed the least long term

    RD in order I would trade
    none
    none
    Fayne

    Players I would be fine with resigning depending on what trades are made

    Pardy
    Gryba
    Cracknell

    I put Pardy ahead of Gryba only becasue he will probably cost half as much and could be signed for around $800k

    Players that should not be brought back

    Clendenning
    Kassian
    Gazdic

    I did not include Reinhart, Oesterle or Lander because the first two will definitely be in the AHL and Lander has no value, will likely clear waivers and is good for a call up for center depth or pressbox

    I also expect at least 3 free agent signings.

  121. RJ2016 says:

    Centre of attention:
    Lowetide,

    I guess I’m just upset that as a steady veteran he isn’t being valued by the majority of fans as well as the coaching staff.

    Its unsettling, because this teams problems start and end with the D core.

    I find it a bit ironic that this article lists Sutter’s definition of a defender as an ideal but at the same time praises Fayne’s throwback style.

    He doesn’t skate well, doesn’t score, can’t make a break-out pass, but he’s better than the rest of the AHL defence that the Oilers currently field so we should be showering him with praise.

    He’s a cup full of meh.

  122. Centre of attention says:

    RJ2016,

    I would rather have a cup full of “meh” than a cup full of “Damn rookie blew his assignment AGAIN”

    Y’know?

  123. Professor Q says:

    blainer:
    LT it amazes me how you can write such a great post after yet another debacle of a game last night. Thank Gord I did not see much of it.

    I now see us as going through two rebuilds. No cluster words here.

    The first rebuild IMO has failed. Hall Ebs Nuge Yak and Jultz. It’s too bad we were unable to get that D to support the forwards for these years but we are where we are.

    2nd rebuild.

    Nurse Drai CMD and hopefully Laine. This rebuild I believe has more talent and will get The D support the first rebuild lacked due to not having enough assets for trade and the lack of interest for players to sign here.

    I am fine moving forward with HallEbs and Nuge but if we want to get Hamonic and say Spurgeon we need to give upmore than just Nurse and Yak to get them. I am not for trading Laine if we get the chance. CMD and Laine will be unstoppable IMO.

    I’m writing this season off due to injury as well. Just shit luck this year.

    What about trading FOR Laine? If we get Matthews or Puljujärvi? Out with the old, in with the new?

  124. Lowetide says:

    speeds:
    Anyone think CHI might trade Anisimov this summer preemptively, partially as a cap measure but also because of the looming expansion draft?Is he a potential fit, depending on other EDM moves?

    I have been looking at CHI, thinking they might move Seabrook. I would prefer Anisimov.

  125. rickithebear says:

    SJS:
    14-15 Tmac non playoff; PP 5th; PK25th.
    15-16 Deboer; Playoffs; PP 3rd; PK 20th

    EDM: jan to APR
    14-15 Nelson .432 Win %; PP 3rd; PK last
    15-16 Tmac; .415 Win %; PP 20th; PK 19th

    So the coach that replaced Tmac getting better results.
    The coach Tmac replaced got better results.

    What is the one thing worse out of the group?

    Todd (eakins)

  126. Clay says:

    Caramel Batman:
    The other problem with the word “cluster” or any such word is that it defines in advance what is only knowable at the end.However, human beings never live at the end, there is always another decision to be made.This leads to mistakes, even by smart people in good organizations, such as the Hawks re-signing Seabrook.

    It was easy to walk away from Oduya, hard to walk away from Seabrook, because Seabrook was a “key piece.”There are no key pieces either.There are just players.Everyone can be replaced, no one (good) can be replaced easily.Magical terms should be dismissed.All that matters is good and bad, measured on a linear scale.

    Let it go, bud. If you don’t like the language the blog’s author uses, you’re more than welcome to not read it.

  127. cabbiesmacker says:

    speeds:
    Anyone think CHI might trade Anisimov this summer preemptively, partially as a cap measure but also because of the looming expansion draft?Is he a potential fit, depending on other EDM moves?

    Thinking they’d trade Panarin first. That’ll be a big contract in 2017 if he has another similar year.

  128. Gret99zky says:

    I’m okay with a couple more blowout losses to close out the season.

    That way Chia gets a better sample size for determining which players want to be a part of the team next season and which do not. Don’t want last night’s blowout to be seen as a single moment/event in the eyes of management.

    Chia has a lot of work to do over the summer and the next couple of seasons.

    Hopefully he cuts hard and deep. This shitshow needs to end.

  129. cabbiesmacker says:

    rickithebear:
    SJS:
    14-15 Tmac non playoff; PP 5th; PK25th.
    15-16 Deboer; Playoffs; PP 3rd; PK 20th

    EDM: jan to APR
    14-15 Nelson .432 Win %; PP 3rd; PK last
    15-16 Tmac; .415 Win %; PP 20th; PK 19th

    So the coach that replaced Tmac getting better results.
    The coach Tmac replaced got better results.

    What is the one thing worse out of the group?

    Todd (eakins)

    Tending to agree with this. Nelson got a lot more bang for the buck considering his roster than TMac is getting from his.

  130. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide: I have been looking at CHI, thinking they might move Seabrook. I would prefer Anisimov.

    Its a no from me on Seabrook.

    Maybe I think about it if they gave me Teravainen as a sweetener and I was giving them nothing but prospects and futures and maybe Ferences contract for them to buy out [if healthy]. The Hawks would still save money, but the Oilers would save a little bit as well not having to buy out Ference.

    But it would probably just end up being a no anyways.

    I still think the play is Vatanen. I worry about Hamonic’s injury history. He has never played a full season, and this season he had another(!) pretty bad knee injury.

    I take Hamonic but if the ask is Eberle I want something else to even it up. Eberle is durable and guaranteed 25-30 goals. That is worth more than an injury prone Hamonic, no?

    This is going to be a very interesting summer.

  131. highgloveside says:

    Lowetide: I have been looking at CHI, thinking they might move Seabrook. I would prefer Anisimov.

    Seabrook has full NMC added to this final year that extends to 20-21, he isn’t going anywhere. I would definitely be interested in Anisimov but since they just signed him I would guess they would look to move others first.

  132. Richard S.S. says:

    Keep McDavid; keep Hall; pick one, but only one other forward and put everyone else on the Trade Market. If they can’t be a good offensive force and a good defensive force they can’t stay any longer. Picks, prospects and Players should all be on the (Trade) Market. The Oilers need upgrades on 1st Line, 2nd Line, bottom Six and two top RH Defense, at a minimum

    Lowetide’s to do list must be greatly expanded to cover true need. I see Eberle gone because he’s not good enough defensively to be paid $6.0 MIllion. I see Nuge gone because he’s the best trade asset the Oilers have.

  133. Ryan says:

    Lowetide: I have been looking at CHI, thinking they might move Seabrook. I would prefer Anisimov.

    I read an article recently at second city hockey where they broke down Seabrook with and without Keith. His play without Keith is fairly poor.

    It sounds like we dodged a bullet with Seabrook.

  134. cabbiesmacker says:

    Lowetide: I have been looking at CHI, thinking they might move Seabrook. I would prefer Anisimov.

    Anythings possible if a teams willing to take Bickell’s contract. Shaw might be a reasonable third line C option bumping Letestu or cramming him into the howitzer if there’s room.

  135. speeds says:

    Lowetide: I have been looking at CHI, thinking they might move Seabrook. I would prefer Anisimov.

    Has NMC, I guess he could waive it to go to EDM but not sure I’d count on that.

  136. cabbiesmacker says:

    Ryan: I read an article recently at second city hockey where they broke down Seabrook with and without Keith.His play without Keith is fairly poor.

    It sounds like we dodged a bullet with Seabrook.

    Bogus. Seabrook is having a very nice season despite being partnered with Keith a whopping 3% of 5 x 5 time. He’s partnered scrubs all year while Keith’s had Hjallmarsson.

  137. bobinyvr says:

    Ryan,

    I believe Ryan has it about right here with being felled by Staph and Staff infection.

    My guess is that Lowetide and his friends at OilersNation and the Cult of Hockey and pundits at CBC, TSN and SportsNet have said one thousand million times that the Oilers defense sucks – over the entire time that Ebs, Hall, and RNH have been here .. one thousand million times!!!

    Yet Eakins sounded surprised to hear his team didn’t know how to defend when his swarm failed to work. What? Where was the GM, the assistant coaches, the video guy. What did he do all summer in preparation? Shouldn’t have come as a surprise.

    Who were the geniuses who thought Belov or Barker could play?

    What morons said that Ference and Nikitin could still play or that Schultz would win a Norris?

    This season was doomed by lack of defense before it started – even with McDavid.

    Skilled forwards need the puck to score and they can’t score in their own end.

    As for quitting – the “core” has essentially never played meaningful games.

    And the same jackasses who Battled Calgary and won Cups are the same jackasses who never gave these kids the support and mentors or built this team the right way.

    Yeah, those guys who “know a little bit about winning.”

    Consider that even for McDavid this year in Rexall must seem like a nightmare. And he probably can’t wait to leave it behind.

    Sadly, those Battles, those Championships are our memories not theirs.

  138. rickithebear says:

    Forwards with 20G and 60P
    Eberle 4 of last 5 years.
    Hall 3of last 4 years.

    Our Forwards:
    There comp rank by position:
    PvP (top 30) positions list.
    Overall forward rank in EVP/60
    comp not considered.

    Mcdcvid #14 C comp; #1 Fwd 3.17 EVP/60 missed 37gm
    Draisatl #24 C Comp; #7 Fwd 2.52 EVP/60 missed 10gm
    Hall #2 LW comp; #10 Fwd 2.46 EVP/60 played all 80gm
    Pouliot #20 LW comp; #34 Fwd 2.20 EVP/60 missed 25gm
    Ederle #11 RW comp; #66 fwd 2.00 EVP/60 missed 13gm; played hurt for 13gm
    RNH #6 C comp; #200 Fwd 1.47 EVP/60 missed 27 gm; played hurt for a month.
    ——————————————————- this is our 6 best forwards EVP/60

    Our best Box protection D:
    Davidson: 2nd/3rd comp ; 9.86 HSCA/60 missed 29gm
    Klefbom 1st comp; 10.12 HSCA/60 missed 50gm
    Marincin 9.66 3rd comp PC traded80 gm to TOR

    These 9 were never our problem!

    PC wanted to see our team together:

    Hall – Draisatl – XXX
    XXX – Mcdavid – Eberle
    Pouliot – RNH – XXX

    Klefbom – XXX
    Sekera – Fayne
    Davidson – XXX

    Talbot

    Of this core.
    Sekera is the only Player PC arranged for.

    You will notice Tmac tried a collection of forwards on the PK at end of year.
    Still need a deeper bottom 6 and successful 1st comp D to force Sekera fayne to 2nd’s.

  139. who says:

    highgloveside:
    McLellan has a good idea of who the problem players are and he and PC will discuss them and most of them will be shipped out of town.I just think they need to trade away more than 3-4 players to cut out the crap and hope that this team has at least 6 new faces at training camp.

    The plan should be to figure out who you want to add to the team first, after that, you trade the guys required to get those people.Will we see some good players leave the team?Probably.Are those good players good for the Oilers?Probably not.

    Below I listed the players in each position in the order I feel they should be considered being traded based on level of return, team value, contract value as well as if the team is no further ahead trading them.

    Centers and the order I would trade them

    Nuge
    Draisaitl
    Letestu
    McDavid

    I have Letestu lower then Draisaitl only because he will get less in return to help the team and at most it is a lateral move with no real benefits and it may be hard to replace him with equal value

    LW in the Order I would trade

    Pouliot
    Hendricks
    Maroon
    Hall

    I see Hendricks, Maroon and Hall as players that make no sense to trade, they bring more to the team that what the return would be and Maroon has incredible contract value.

    RW in the order I would trade

    Eberle
    Yakapov
    Korpikoski
    Pakaranin

    Korpikoski should be traded no matter what the return but is listed lower only because what he brings back won’t help the team, it would likely be a pick.I put Yak below Eberle only because trading Eberle will get you back a piece the team desperately needs and Yak won’t do that.I would wait to trade Yak until they know what happens with Eberle, if you trade Eberle, Yak moves up to a scoring line which could boost his trade value in the future or revitalize him.If you trade Yak and then Eberle, that is a huge hole on the right side to fill.

    LD in the order I would trade

    Davidson
    Klefbom
    Nurse
    Sekera

    With the depth the Oilers have in this position, value has a bit to do with it.Nurse has a higher celiling than Davidson.Klefbom has a lot of value in a trade and Nurse won’t get his worth back.If a LD is traded I would expect only one and that would be Davidson as he would be missed the least long term

    RD in order I would trade
    none
    none
    Fayne

    Players I would be fine with resigning depending on what trades are made

    Pardy
    Gryba
    Cracknell

    I put Pardy ahead of Gryba only becasue he will probably cost half as much and could be signed for around $800k

    Players that should not be brought back

    Clendenning
    Kassian
    Gazdic

    I did not include Reinhart, Oesterle or Lander because the first two will definitely be in the AHL and Lander has no value, will likely clear waivers and is good for a call up for center depth or pressbox

    I also expect at least 3 free agent signings.

    Wow. I don’t agree with all your rankings but that is a pretty long list of tradeable players
    Everyone is screaming trade them all today but that just doesn’t happen. I see chia making 1, maybe 2, significant trades and maybe 1 notable free agent signing if he has cap room. Anything more would be tough to do. Besides, blowing it up just sets you back 3 years or more.
    I would start by trying to get a quality right dman like hamonic for eberle. Would also be willing to move Hall for a top dman but don’t know if any are available. One of those moves would be fine with me.

  140. rickithebear says:

    Ryan: talk is cheap:
    Mac is Great!
    He was out coached by Deboer in SJS.
    By nelson in EDM with lesser talent.

    Results are what matter.

    Our best 1st comp D results since 9-10.
    Klefbom 15-16 10.12
    Souray 09-10 11.30
    Nikitin 14-15 11.55
    Fayne 14-15 11.57
    Sekera 15-16 12.01
    Fayne 15-16 12.02
    since the start of 09-10 the D pairs to generate the best % of games bette than League avg HSCA/60
    1. Klefbom-Fayne
    2. Nikitin-Fayne
    3. Sekera-Fayne

    Saying Nikitin and fane were terrible and them being an improvement on on what we had are two different things.
    A job of a GM is to improve our team!

    Do not pass off Narative for what we seek!
    Improved performance.

  141. tsg says:

    Water Fire,

    This is true, but if your best players can’t play against other best players successfully, what do you do?

    Hall, Nugent Hopkins and Eberle have all gone up against the best in the league as a line and either sawed off or come out on top historically. And this is with the Defense the Oilers have been running the past few years.

    They are not the problem. The defense and the depth are the problems. Injuries this year have really highlighted both of these issues.

  142. Chris says:

    I think the issue with Eberle at the moment is he looks alot better defensively when you play him with Nugent Hopkins and Hall or Nugent Hopkins and Pouliot. Which is to say if the other two players especially his centre cover for his defensive short comings his lack of back checking ability seems less glaring.

  143. bendelson says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Whoa. Ugly. I hadn’t connected those dots… thanks, Bruce.

    I was at the game last night. Somehow, in the middle of all the disappointment and bitterness rising that surrounded, I managed to enjoy the evening a great deal. I’m kind of an asshole that way…

    Good-bye Rexall Place.
    You cruel mistress.

  144. Wolf Of Ross St says:

    Centre of attention:
    Lowetide,
    From last night:

    Mark Fayne was not on the ice for a goal against in any situation this evening. In 5-on-5 play, the shots were 9-4 in Edmonton’s favour when he was on the ice. In 2:12 on the penalty kill, Calgary failed to get even one shot on net.

    He played 16:33, the lowest total of any defender.

    explain please.

    They realized playing Fayne 3rd pairing mins is how he will be the most effective.

  145. AsiaOil says:

    highgloveside:
    Everyone knows Eberle doesn’t backcheck,.The problem is he has an “A” on his sweater, is considered a leader and a part of the core.You can have Eberle type players but they can’t be a leader or part of the core.If a leader doesn’t set a good example then nobody follows.Since he is one of the “veteran” Oilers he will always be considered a leader and that is why he needs to be traded.You need leaders that players will follow into battle.

    Exactly. It’s been 6 years and we’ve been waiting for Ebs to at least show any signs of being a more complete player. It isn’t there and he is nowhere near good enough offensively to crap the bed on defense the way he does. He has one single 30 goal season five years ago (11-12) while a guy like Cory Perry (a real elite RW) has seven 30 goal seasons plus one more with 29. Eberle’s bat which is supposed to make up for his total lack of glove is a pretty small stick.

    But more damning is the fact that he wears an A and so clearly didn’t give a shit about himself, his teammates, or the uniform he wears with that type of play. Even his post-game interview was all we, the team, us. He in no way, shape or form owned his play and deserved every bit of the rip he got on national tv last night.

  146. Wolf Of Ross St says:

    fuzzy muppet,

    fuzzy muppet:
    The biggest shame is that this organization has taken me, a fan for 32 years, and made me not care anymore.

    Trade Taylor Hall?Don’t care
    Trade Jordan Eberle? Don’t care
    Trade Darnell Nurse? Don’t care

    Outside of 97, they can all go as far as I’m concerned, I don’t care anymore.

    97 is the Only reason to watch this shit show.Fuck the Oilers

    97 is the Oilers

  147. Seismic Source says:

    So…..back to the draft. The Fins are the closest thing to the Sedins in a long time. Whoever finishes 2nd or 3rd, I would expect a huge push to get both. I hope we finish in that realm.

  148. AsiaOil says:

    Another thing from last night. Nurse in the offensive zone looks like a 13 year old boy who barges into a cathouse – wide-eyed and excited by the possibilities – but totally without a clue about what to do after he arrives. Maybe that changes – maybe it doesn’t – but Chia needs to make the right call this summer to either cash in on the potential now or keep what eventually become a unique player. I honestly don’t know which is the right move. One of the LHD does have to move for a RHD.

    As for Fayne – if he is your #3 RHD – you are doing OK. If he is your #1 RHD – you are screwed. Trade him as cap space or get 2 better RHD and play him where he belongs. His cap hit expires the same time CMDs entry level deal needs to be dealt with and the cap space will come in handy at that time. He’s overpaid – but can actually play – and we need more dmen who can play not less. I keep him instead of paying Gryba as the bottom RHD even if it is an overpay.

  149. Alpine says:

    To build a defense these days, you have to draft and develop. Recently, the Isles are the one team who have been able to trade for their top 2 D (Hamonic and Leddy are nearly equal).

    Between Klefbom, Davidson, and formerly Marincin and Petry, the Oilers have drafted and developed 2/3 of a pretty decent D core. The problem is they didn’t rate the latter two, and the former two could not stay healthy this year.

    The Oilers failed on losing Marincin and Petry, but losing their two replacements, one for almost 2/3 of the season is just shit luck. I get that the Oilers should have protected themselves against a big injury or two. But Klef’s importance to this team can’t be understated and a comparable situation unraveling on another rebuilding team would make them look worse than they are as well.

    How would TOR or BUF look if Rielly or Risto went down at game 30? Probably less fanfare around their rebuilds and a bruise to their underlying numbers. Now have Marincin and Pysyk go down with a month left. Pysyk actually did have some injuries, but BUF still had a bit more depth for top 4 guys, unlike us.

    When other have teams developed a guy who looks like a top pairing D, and another top four, how often do those guys get long term injuries? I bet almost any team in their turn north phase had better injury luck with their young promising D than the Oilers.

    Should the Oilers move heaven and earth to fix the D? Almost definitely. Are they as inept at developing competent defensemen as they are at acquiring/identifying them? Don’t think so. To say they ignored the long term fortunes for the D is disingenuous. The timeline has just not matched the one for the forwards.

  150. Evilas says:

    I just watched the game, but basically just fast-forwarded the last half of it.

    ******RANT WARNING********

    I am sure there is commentary regarding Officiating during the game comments, but wow, just wow….

    As brutal as it has been watching this team play almost every game since 2010, the biggest thing that has stood out to me is how many calls do not go our way. I would like to think it is not true, but last night I saw a couple plays that offer clear evidence.

    The Backlund (?) shorthanded breakaway goal, he pulls away from everyone and Yak stretches out on the ice to try and whack him and does not touch him, the Ref, who is MAYBE 10 feet away puts his arm up for a penalty. Why the hell is this a penalty? What is he seeing here?

    The second incident was during the PK where Hendo and Bollig are getting into it and Lander is by the bench and Nakladal has him around the collar, pulls him down and essentially slams his face into the ice. The linesman is standing right there….. How is this not a penalty, but the Nuge “hook” is? Friggin ridiculous.

    I remember the LA game where McDavid was “robbed” and an Oiler was penalized for a cross check, where he basically lifted up on a stick, nowhere near the hands of the player. And then in the exact area of the ice, with the Ref looking at the play, Pouliot is hit hard from behind about 2 feet from the boards and he is sent flying and has to get up off the ice after being crumpled. It was clearly boarding.

    And of course the goal that counted, despite the interference vs LA last week. Why isn’t that goalie interference, anyway? How the hell is that a legal play, what is the blue paint for? Just like the Colbourne play from last night. It would be so strange to watch a game where the Oilers are completing on a even playing surface, but the ice always seems to be tilted.

    The evidence is clear to me, NHL referees hate the Oilers.

    Yes, losers complain about officiating, but our team are losers, so why the hell not……….

  151. haters says:

    rickithebear,

    It’s hard to defend against raw numbers.
    I would think that Tmac really misses Klefbom and to not undermine that players effect on the team.
    Pk? Obv
    Pp? You bet
    Ev ? Holy shit

    My bone to pick mostly lies with Chia because he wasn’t willing to shore up the defense and cut ties with Shultz at the start of the year.
    You can’t deny that these injures had a profound effect on the teams standing and overall mental state.

    That’s it for me though. No sense in crying over a 5-0 shutout when we are in last place in the league again. It’s redundant and childish honestly.

  152. Water Fire says:

    tsg: Hall, Nugent Hopkins and Eberle have all gone up against the best in the league as a line and either sawed off or come out on top historically.

    Shots, not goals. Corsi is only an indicator, not the answer. The Oilers main problem is breakdowns that end up in the net, not offence. It’s how they can play a good game and lose 5-0.

    Players that get outscored lose games for the team. Nobody can outscore a weak overall game these days. A really good team can shelter a really good one way scorer, forward or defense, but they are hens teeth and expensive for what they contribute. Because of the cap they have to be absolute killers or the cap can be used more efficiently.

  153. Water Fire says:

    highgloveside: Seabrook has full NMC added to this final year that extends to 20-21, he isn’t going anywhere.I would definitely be interested in Anisimov but since they just signed him I would guess they would look to move others first.

    Why would Bowman trade the second line centre he finally found?

  154. Ryan says:

    cabbiesmacker: Bogus. Seabrook is having a very nice season despite being partnered with Keith a whopping 3% of 5 x 5 time. He’s partnered scrubs all year while Keith’s had Hjallmarsson.

    I can’t find the article for the life of me. SB nation has the worst search capabilities. Anyway, I didn’t write it, I’m just mentioning it.

    Over the past several years with this year being he lone exception, they have played mostly together.

    One glance at the Vollman tells you that Keith and Hjarlmarsson are killing the top competition and Seabrook is bleeding against the second best.

    Still Seabrook’s boxcars are golden even if his most common linemates are Kane and Panarin.

    Oddly, Seabrook is a Corsi drag on all of his most common linemates. He also has a nice red circle in the middle if the Vollman despite 55 ozone starts.

    If you like HScF%, his is 43.88%… $6.875m

  155. Henry says:

    Lowetide: I have been looking at CHI, thinking they might move Seabrook. I would prefer Anisimov.

    Seabrook is on the back nine. On the 14th green.

  156. theres oil in virginia says:

    stephen sheps: Oh man, I wish you would’ve let me know… would’ve loved to show you around (or at least take you and whomever you were with out for lunch or a coffee or something!)

    You’re right –it’s stunning where I live. I’ll never complain about the land or the natural beauty of this part of the country and before I leave I have plans to take a couple of camping trips up in the smokey mountains and hopefully a kayak trip down the Tennessee river. The place is wonderful; it’s the job that unfortunately was not.

    I’ll be here until July. If you find yourself down this way again, drop me a line.

    Hey man. Sorry for the late reply. Been out working.

    I thought about contacting you, but it turned out we were blowing through town at 80 MPH with no time to even slow down (we slowed down plenty in ATL, my what a fuck-fest that place is). I get the feeling I’ll be back through there again before July, so we’ll see how the schedules fare.

    Regarding the job, I guess I coulda told you that before you came down. You’re working at a university in the US. 🙂

  157. Little Poteet says:

    GCW_69,

    In his interview between periods McDavid was asked about the historic franchise or something and he said “we are fortunate to have the alumni we do, always around. You’re just like a sponge, soaking up as much as you can.” It occurs to me, the alumni that hang around are from the team that was so fast and talented they knew they could outscore anyone, not from the little team that could of the 90s or from the 06 team which, as I remember it, got so far by having 44 and the rest of the team played like him and sacrificed for each other.
    Not knowing you are contributing to the problem could for sure be what is going on with the alumni that hang around. This team cannot currently emulate the dynasty teams because they don’t have the horses and the game is played differently now.
    I’m just talking, just unsure of what to do with my disappointment today

  158. godot10 says:

    AsiaOil: Exactly. It’s been 6 years and we’ve been waiting for Ebs to at least show any signs of being a more complete player. It isn’t there and he is nowhere near good enough offensively to crap the bed on defense the way he does. He has one single 30 goal season five years ago (11-12) while a guy like Cory Perry (a real elite RW) has seven 30 goal seasons plus one more with 29. Eberle’s bat which is supposed to make up for his total lack of glove is a pretty small stick.

    But more damning is the fact that he wears an A and so clearly didn’t give a shit about himself, his teammates, or the uniform he wears with that type of play. Even his post-game interview was all we, the team, us. He in no way, shape or form owned his play and deserved every bit of the rip he got on national tv last night.

    Note: I am not opposed to trading Eberle if it brings back a legit right D.

    Wayne Gretzky didn’t back check
    Brett Hull didn’t back check.
    Patrick Kane doesn’t back check.

    Every player is flawed in some way. It is the coaches job to deploy the player and adapt the systems for the player to play to their strengths and to hide their weaknesses.

    Hendricks was totally got daydreaming on the power play goal by Gaudreau. Where is the Hendricks hate?

    If the Oilers had a defense, Eberle would have to back check a whole lot less.

    Eberle has the scarcest skill. He will always be well-compensated for it. And as soon as he is traded, the Oilers will miss it and be desperate to replace it. But they need a right D more at this point in time.

  159. Mr DeBakey says:

    godot10: Hendricks was totally got daydreaming on the power play goal by Gaudreau. Where is the Hendricks hate?

    Heart, Baby, Heart.
    So Effin big I can see it from Sarah Palin’s place.

  160. Ryan says:

    cabbiesmacker: Bogus. Seabrook is having a very nice season despite being partnered with Keith a whopping 3% of 5 x 5 time. He’s partnered scrubs all year while Keith’s had Hjallmarsson.

    Speaking of playing with scrubs, Seabrook’s most common 5v5 linemate is Pat Kane.

    Seabrook with Kane:
    Gf % 55
    Cf% 49.5

    Kane apart
    GF% 54.7
    Cf% 53.8

    Seabrook apart
    Gf% 43.2
    Cf% 47.5

    Is Kane zooming Seabrook?

  161. Water Fire says:

    godot10: Note: I am not opposed to trading Eberle if it brings back a legit right D.

    Wayne Gretzky didn’t back check
    Brett Hull didn’t back check.
    Patrick Kane doesn’t back check.

    Every player is flawed in some way.It is the coaches job to deploy the player and adapt the systems for the player to play to their strengths and to hide their weaknesses.

    Hendricks was totally got daydreaming on the power play goal by Gaudreau.Where is the Hendricks hate?

    If the Oilers had a defense, Eberle would have to back check a whole lot less.

    Eberle has the scarcest skill.He will always be well-compensated for it.And as soon as he is traded, the Oilers will miss it and be desperate to replace it.But they need a right D more at this point in time.

    Nobody claims Eberle isn’t a talented player. But you compared him to 3 super elite offensive HOF players, which he is so far from. This is the problem.

  162. Seismic Source says:

    I’ve mentioned it more than once. I think there will be a huge play for some team to get both Fins. If we finish in 2nd or 3rd we get a franchise Dman if the right team is on either side of us.

  163. godot10 says:

    The primary task for this summer is too get two right shot D to push Fayne to the 3rd pairing (or to trade him). And it is TWO, and NOT one, because both Klefbom and Davidson are coming off of injuries.

    Everything else is secondary. McDavid, Sekera(NMC), Talbot are probably untouchable. Then Draisaitl and Nurse. Everyone else (and the first pick and offer sheets) are fair game for trade.

    1) Hamonic seems to have as much bad luck as Klefbom when it comes to health.
    2) If Shattenkirk would sign long term for $7 million, I would do a deal with St. Louis. He is first pairing offensively, a #3D defensively. But the Oilers have the left D to pair with him to make a strong pairing. But I expect Shattenkirk is thinking Boston.

  164. stephen sheps says:

    theres oil in virginia: Hey man. Sorry for the late reply. Been out working.

    I thought about contacting you, but it turned out we were blowing through town at 80 MPH with no time to even slow down (we slowed down plenty in ATL, my what a fuck-fest that place is).I get the feeling I’ll be back through there again before July, so we’ll see how the schedules fare.

    all good. I’ve been intermittently following the thread – working from home. These term paper proposals won’t grade themselves.

    If you do find your way down here before I leave, please do get in touch.

    I feel your pain about the I75. Atlanta isn’t quite at Chicago levels of shitty gridlock, but it’s close.

  165. Mr DeBakey says:

    Water Fire: Nobody claims Eberle isn’t a talented player. But you compared him to 3 super elite offensive HOF players, which he is so far from. This is the problem.

    13/14 & 14/15 seasons – RW — ES Pts
    1 Corey Perry — 112
    2 Phil Kessel — 96
    3 Blake Wheeler — 94
    4 Jarome Iginla — 93
    5 Vladimir Tarasenko — 91
    6 Jakub Voracek — 87
    7 Kyle Okposo — 87
    8 Patrick Kane — 86
    9 Jordan Eberle — 86
    10 Marian Hossa — 86
    11 Jaromir Jagr — 86

  166. godot10 says:

    Water Fire: Nobody claims Eberle isn’t a talented player. But you compared him to 3 super elite offensive HOF players, which he is so far from. This is the problem.

    Joey Mullen.

  167. RexLibris says:

    Bruce McCurdy: The third period was nothing short of disgraceful. The team quit on the game, each other, & their fans. I was embarrassed to be an Oilers fan, something I don’t say very often despite the decade long shit show around here. But when the team quits on its fans it pisses me off.

    I can’t tell you how excited I am to watch this game again for the officiating review.

    This might be one I review on two separate occasions to ensure I’m not letting my vision be clouded by emotion.

  168. Gerta Rauss says:

    Oil Kings vs Wheat Kings on Sportsnet 360 (Shaw ch 231 on the West coast)

    Series tied 2-2

    Wheat Kings just scored to go up 1-0 in the game

  169. smellyglove says:

    Little Poteet,

    Yes, with all due respect to them, flush the alumni. The alumni of MacT and Lowe have single-handedly ruined this once proud franchise. Active alumni means that this team will never develop its own true identity. The alumni feed into the media narrative of gilded young phenoms coming in to save the day. The alumni keep criticism at bay.

  170. Water Fire says:

    Mr DeBakey: 13/14 & 14/15 seasons – RW—ES Pts
    1Corey Perry—112
    2Phil Kessel—96
    3Blake Wheeler—94
    4Jarome Iginla—93
    5Vladimir Tarasenko—91
    6Jakub Voracek—87
    7Kyle Okposo—87
    8Patrick Kane—86
    9Jordan Eberle—86
    10Marian Hossa—86
    11Jaromir Jagr—86

    He’s the weakest player on your list and the guys behind him are a combined 700 years old. Only Kessel is as one dimensional.

    Mr DeBakey: 13/14 & 14/15 seasons – RW—ES Pts
    1Corey Perry—112
    2Phil Kessel—96
    3Blake Wheeler—94
    4Jarome Iginla—93
    5Vladimir Tarasenko—91
    6Jakub Voracek—87
    7Kyle Okposo—87
    8Patrick Kane—86
    9Jordan Eberle—86
    10Marian Hossa—86
    11Jaromir Jagr—86

    13/14 & 14/15 seasons – RW — G +/-, GF%
    1 Corey Perry — +42, 60.9
    2 Phil Kessel — -14, 47.01
    3 Blake Wheeler — +28, 58.14
    4 Jarome Iginla — +35, 59.07
    5 Vladimir Tarasenko — +52, 66.46
    6 Jakub Voracek — +31, 59.28
    7 Kyle Okposo — +2, 50.51
    8 Patrick Kane — +23, 56.73
    9 Jordan Eberle — -9, 47.98
    10 Marian Hossa — +35, 60.12
    11 Jaromir Jagr — +26, 57.74

    Kessel and Eberle with the only negatives, the two weakest players on the list to me. The Oilers are bad, but Eberle has gotten the best of what they have, and my argument is that for the team to be better players in his position have to be better. All of the players have to be at at least even in G +/- or it’s a losing team.

    13/14 & 14/15 seasons – RW — P/60
    1 Corey Perry — 2.73
    2 Tyler Seguin – 2.73
    3 Vladimir Tarasenko — 2.61
    4 Mark Stone – 2.44
    5 Kyle Okposo — 2.42
    6 Rick Nash – 2.39
    7 Tyler Johnson – 2.33
    8 Thomas Vanek – 2.28
    9 Jiri Hudler – 2.27
    10 Steven Stamkos – 2.27
    11 Tyler Toffoli – 2.27

    36 Jordan Eberle — 1.97

    Not in the top 30, that is actually second line production. He’s 30th all game states.

    I’m not anti Eberle, I’m anti one way players unless exceptional scorers.

  171. Water Fire says:

    godot10: Joey Mullen.

    Mullen Shmullen.

  172. flyfish1168 says:

    godot10: Note: I am not opposed to trading Eberle if it brings back a legit right D.

    Wayne Gretzky didn’t back check
    Brett Hull didn’t back check.
    Patrick Kane doesn’t back check.

    Every player is flawed in some way.It is the coaches job to deploy the player and adapt the systems for the player to play to their strengths and to hide their weaknesses.

    Hendricks was totally got daydreaming on the power play goal by Gaudreau.Where is the Hendricks hate?

    If the Oilers had a defense, Eberle would have to back check a whole lot less.

    Eberle has the scarcest skill.He will always be well-compensated for it.And as soon as he is traded, the Oilers will miss it and be desperate to replace it.But they need a right D more at this point in time.

    If you watch Kane. He back checks better then what he is given credit for. He buries his chances at a higher rate then most players.The game is different now. You need to be able to play 200 feet and positionally sound. Good teams work as a group for puck support, which means our defense needs to be mobile and attack along side our forwards. JMHO

  173. Mr DeBakey says:

    Water Fire: Not in the top 30, that is actually second line production. He’s 30th all game states.
    I’m not anti Eberle, I’m anti one way players unless exceptional scorers.

    Pretty solid response

    Water Fire: Mullen Shmullen.

    Weak response

  174. Water Fire says:

    Nuge is 53rd P/60 for centres all game states. Nuge and Eberle are making enough money that I wouldn’t be surprised if their salaries are not veiwed as value. There are bigger players that can do what they do and possibly for less.

    I feel Nuge brings a lot more and was thrown to the wolves having to be 1C that young with little help. Bottom line is he has to be more productive at that pay and usage.

    I could see the Oilers in on Lucic, Eriksson, Okposo – heavier harder wingers that have a better overall game that make it UFA.

    If next year is like this McLellan might quit. Chiarelli needs to get him horses he likes, I think he’ll be busy.

  175. Water Fire says:

    Mr DeBakey: Pretty solid response

    Weak response

    I thought it got to the heart of the matter 🙂

  176. sliderule says:

    Water Fire,

    Water fire you are on fire tonight.

    Not being sarcastic you are saying good stuff.

    How do you feel about drafting another forward and hoping he is Kurri clone like some want.Outscore everybody 7-6 coming up.

    Or if you end up with a top three pick trade down and pick up a useful D to fill in until Chychrun or one of the other top rated D can help Connor.

  177. CopaFrank says:

    Love this site and usually agree with everything you write LT, but I think letting Eberle off the hook for letting the man go because that is not what he’s paid for is the problem with this team. He was right there just needed to keep playing. He doesn’t have to be Bob Gainey he just needs to recognize and react to the danger.

  178. square_wheels says:

    Water Fire,

    Didn’t Mullen wear roller skates ? Poor acceleration but watch those spin-o-rama’s.

  179. cabbiesmacker says:

    Ryan: Speaking of playing with scrubs, Seabrook’s most common 5v5 linemate is Pat Kane.

    Seabrook with Kane:
    Gf % 55
    Cf% 49.5

    Kane apart
    GF% 54.7
    Cf% 53.8

    Seabrook apart
    Gf% 43.2
    Cf% 47.5

    Is Kane zooming Seabrook?

    Kane’s line is #2. Toews line #1. If Seabrook was zooming he’d be with Toews.

    Seabrooks most frequent partner? Van Riemsdyke, Gustafsson, and Svedberg. That’s some zooming but in the wrong direction.

  180. Lowetide says:

    CopaFrank:
    Love this site and usually agree with everything you write LT, but I think letting Eberle off the hook for letting the man go because that is not what he’s paid for is the problem with this team.He was right there just needed to keep playing.He doesn’t have to be Bob Gainey he just needs to recognize and react to the danger.

    I am not saying forgive him, but am saying he has high value. You can have high value in one area, be weak in another and still help your team. Eberle should be better there, but we would all be liars if we said it was news that he trailed off.

  181. square_wheels says:

    Seismic Source,

    If it’s the Leafs – Morgan Reilly straight across ? Or their pick and an NHL ready prospect
    If it’s the Jets – Trouba and their first or a prospect (Dano? Petan ? Kyle Connor ? )
    If it’s Columbus – Savard and their pick ?
    If it’s Vancouver – pull an elaborate prank where Benning has to somehow eat a giant pile of horse shit to close the deal but then pull it out from under them last minute. Fuck the Nucks, forever and ever.
    If it’s Calgary – Fuck them as well. I might consider a trade if they legally change Johnny’s name to something appropriate like Peewee or Pipsqueak.

    Pretty much, anyone in a position to take both Finn’s in a deal ala the sisters, pays us with their 1st rounder and an NHL ready player under RFA control or UFA with 3 years.

  182. square_wheels says:

    Lowetide,

    I think we obsess about rebalancing the forwards when the root issue has always been the D.

    That doesn’t mean players like Eberle and Hall haven’t figured out that their body language might get them sent packing, which might be exactly what they want.

    When the dust settles on the season, I will chat to buddy who works for the Oilers. I never put him in a position where he feels he has to reveal something that may lead to compromising the trust he has in that room. But I can tell you, once players leave or retire the details come out.

  183. AsiaOil says:

    Agree with Waterfire. More excuses for a veteran player who is paid in full and is supposedly a leader. Excuse time is over. Ebs is in the best spot you can possibly imagine with CMD at center and Maroon at LW. People hate his game last night because it was entirely about him playing with zero effort in the defensive end of the ice and being too god damn lazy to backcheck properly. I would have benched his ass for the rest of the night after that putrid effort on Backlund’s goal. Zero consequences for certain players on this team as always.

    Yes Ebs scores but I say he gives up more. He has the 4th worst +/- of all RW since 2010-2011 at -55. Only Clarkson, Bourque and Yak are worse (and Yak is truly horrific) out of the entire population over that time. Yes I recognize the limitations of +/- but Hall and RNH are both far better (particularly Hall who is almost even if you take out the dementors first season of 2012-2013. So if you are going to say Ebs produces more than he gives up of “the scarcest commodity” – you are going to have to prove that – where is the evidence? All I’ve ever seen is people shouting “look boxcars” and insinuating that anyone that disagrees with that one-sided argument is stupid.

    I’m not being argumentative for the heck of it – if you can show me that Ebs is a net positive player with respect to goals scored while he is on the ice – well that’s a start. We don’t even have to discuss size, grit, leadership or any intangibles. Ebs has ALWAYS played with the best players we have in the best offensive situations and he has a massive negative sitting beside his name. Only time he’s been a plus player was 2011-2012 when he scored 34 – and seems to me – he’s been riding that season where he shot 19% for a loooooooooooooooooong time. He’s a lesser Phil Kessel if you want my honest take – and Chia traded that player to the significant benefit of BOS – hope he does it again.

    Please show me I’m wrong and that he’s a net benefit while he’s on the ice with respect to the scarcest commodity (goals) as you suggest. I’m willing to listen and discuss.

    godot10: Note: I am not opposed to trading Eberle if it brings back a legit right D.

    Wayne Gretzky didn’t back check
    Brett Hull didn’t back check.
    Patrick Kane doesn’t back check.

    Every player is flawed in some way.It is the coaches job to deploy the player and adapt the systems for the player to play to their strengths and to hide their weaknesses.

    Hendricks was totally got daydreaming on the power play goal by Gaudreau.Where is the Hendricks hate?

    If the Oilers had a defense, Eberle would have to back check a whole lot less.

    Eberle has the scarcest skill.He will always be well-compensated for it.And as soon as he is traded, the Oilers will miss it and be desperate to replace it.But they need a right D more at this point in time.

  184. rickithebear says:

    Eberle’ has faced PvP since 11-12:
    He played hurt for the first 13 games of this year.
    15-16:
    13gm 3G -11
    54gm 22G 20A 42P -1

    14-15:
    Nelson:
    46gm 18G 25A 43p -2
    Eakins/Mact:
    35gm 6G 14a 20P -14

    13-14:
    Eakins
    80gm 28G 37A -11

    12-13
    Krueger
    48gm 16G 21A 37P -4

    11-12
    Renney
    78gm 34G 42A 76P +4

    5 years:
    Eakins/Hurt
    123gm 37G 49A 86P -35

    Renee/Krueger/Tmac
    226gm 90G 108A 198P -3

    Play him against bottom 2nd and 3rd comp lines like P.kane instead of the power vs power.
    That burden can be shared by: Hall-Drai-xxx and Pouliot-RNH-XXX
    He will be a large plus player and and high PPG player just like P. Kane.

  185. Water Fire says:

    sliderule:
    Water Fire,

    Water fire you are on fire tonight.

    Not being sarcastic you are saying good stuff.

    How do you feel about drafting another forward and hoping he is Kurri clone like some want.Outscore everybody 7-6 coming up.

    Or if you end up with a top three pick trade down and pick up a useful D to fill in until Chychrun orone of the other top rated D can help Connor.

    Thanks. I think we see things a lot the same.

    The Oilers now have to built around McDavid – everyone is there to help him firstly. Connor needs 200 ft players that can play the boards so he is more free to do his thing and not be doing too much grunt work. He shouldn’t have to carry older players or be more responsible than them. That would be a mistake.

    I think Laine is a very appealing player, but he can’t help the young centres for years. Wingers are the easiest position to get, and I think right now the Oilers have appeal to UFA wingers because of who they have to play them with.

    More experienced talented wingers that can hold the O zone are what he and Leon need and what the team needs to be better. This is largely why IMO they want more physicality from the team, it’s how you retrieve the pucj in the D zone and keep it in the O zone enough.

    I’m not sure a true high end D can be traded for realistically. To me that’s a player that is dominant in his own end and can join the rush and function well on the PP. There aren’t many and they hardly move now.

    The Oilers have some quality young D but I don’t see an really top talent on the team or in the system, Bear having an outside chance still.

    The previous regime man crushes on world junior players lead them to take Nurse over Ristolainen which was a mistake, not that I dislike Nurse but he doesn’t have the same ceiling and has as much chaos or more. Not to mention RHD.

    I think the team will be out of the lottery next year, they won’t be drafting this high again for a while. I agree with BPA drafting, but I don’t see it as clear cut as some and don’t agree with not taking a defenseman, it’s how you get the best ones and the risk thing as opposed to forwards has been disproven.

    The thing that mitigates drafting BPA is the difficulty in moving players now. You have to trade to achieve balance drafting that way unless the draft delivers exactly what you need, to fill holes. After the top few players in most drafts taking the impact players is really a crap shoot, so you might as well look for what you need.

    You shouldn’t take a player a lot higher than his rank but trade down and gain assets. So I like your idea and think Chychrun or Sergachev make the Oilers a better team in the future because a great D impacts the game more than a great F. Either might be a player better than they currently have at D. Unless they can trade the pick for Pietrangelo.

  186. rickithebear says:

    Next year:
    Hall – Draisatl – XXX 9.4M
    Pouliot – RNH – XXX 10M
    Maroon – Mcdavid – Eberle 11.775M
    total 31.175M

    Klefbom – XXX 4.167M
    Sekera – Fayne 6.125M
    Davidson – XXX 1.425M
    total 18.84M

    Talbot 4.167M

    total 54.182M

  187. Water Fire says:

    square_wheels:
    Water Fire,

    Didn’t Mullen wear roller skates ? Poor acceleration but watch those spin-o-rama’s.

    Ha

  188. theres oil in virginia says:

    AsiaOil: He has the 4th worst +/- of all RW since 2010-2011 at -55.

    He’s a member of the Edmonton Fucking Oilers! Of course he’s got a shit plus-minus.

    if you can show me that Ebs is a net positive player with respect to goals scored while he is on the ice

    On a team that is -1000 over the last few years? Are you serious with this stuff?

  189. AsiaOil says:

    theres oil in virginia: He’s a member of the Edmonton Fucking Oilers!Of course he’s got a shit plus-minus.

    On a team that is -1000 over the last few years?Are you serious with this stuff?

    Same old, same old……

    The result are shit because Oilers – but Ebs is somehow not considered t be part of the shit results produced by those Oilers. Last I saw – he was a member of the EDM Oilers – and some of that shit sticks to him. In fact a lot may stick to him.

  190. Water Fire says:

    rickithebear:
    Eberle’ has faced PvP since 11-12:
    He played hurt for the first 13 games of this year.
    15-16:
    13gm 3G -11
    54gm 22G 20A 42P -1

    14-15:
    Nelson:
    46gm 18G 25A 43p -2
    Eakins/Mact:
    35gm 6G 14a 20P -14

    13-14:
    Eakins
    80gm 28G 37A -11

    12-13
    Krueger
    48gm 16G 21A 37P -4

    11-12
    Renney
    78gm 34G 42A 76P +4

    5 years:
    Eakins/Hurt
    123gm 37G 49A 86P -35

    Renee/Krueger/Tmac
    226gm 90G 108A 198P -3

    Play him against bottom 2nd and 3rd comp lines like P.kane instead of the power vs power.
    That burden can be shared by: Hall-Drai-xxx and Pouliot-RNH-XXX
    He will be a large plus player and and high PPG player just like P. Kane.

    He makes 6M. He has to play top 6. If he was paid less it would be easier to do play him 3rd line. The other thing is playing lower in the order would mean less ice time and his P/60 is already weak.

  191. AsiaOil says:

    rickithebear,

    He has not faced PvP for a lot of this year and last – Hall’s line has. Nice cherry picking taking out 13 games you don’t like out of this year. But other than that – I agree – he has been a sizable net negative since 2012-2013. Agree with Waterfire again – he’s paid like a top line player – and needs to perform like one.

  192. theres oil in virginia says:

    AsiaOil,

    BTW, what time zone are you in? I get the feeling it’s several hours removed from EDT.

  193. AsiaOil says:

    theres oil in virginia,

    HST when not in SE Asia 🙂

    PS – I don’t really hate Ebs and appreciate him for what he is – an offensively talented but incomplete player as LT said. Problem is he only puts in 50% of the effort required at one end of the ice. Nobody expects him to drive guys through the boards – just work hard at both ends of the rink and be responsible. If you can’t do that in the modern NHL you will never put up enough offense to compensate for damage done at the defensive end. My main beef isn’t with a particular player – it’s with the absolute free pass the old core gets on their lack of leadership and shitty two-way efforts – and me think coach is getting fed up as well if last nights post-game chat is any indication.

  194. theres oil in virginia says:

    AsiaOil,

    Yeah, I understand. If we were sitting in the same room, you’ld see that most of the time I type this stuff with a smile on my face, although I do get pissy from time to time and execute a drive-by.

    I agree that all of these guys bear some of the responsibility and that Ebs, etc are becoming the veterans on the team. However, I don’t see it as a lack of effort (at least not entirely), but more-so a lack of acuity. Also, I think there’s an expectation of offense from him, and that leads to looking for a breakout too soon. And one final also, a forward ought to be able to expect the defensemen to break up the play from time to time without help, but these defensemen are AHL level and it rarely happens.

    The whole team needs to be better, there’s no doubt about that.

    I thought I remembered that you had mentioned presence in Hawaii at some point.

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