WHAT’S THE STORY MORNING GLORY?

by Lowetide

As we discussed yesterday, Peter Chiarelli’s farm is rickety and dilapidated. Credit where due, he is trying to add some prospects to the pool but the other 29 teams have cleaned the bones of drafts past. So far this spring, Chiarelli has added:

  • March 13, 2016: Oilers sign L Jere Sallinen from Jokerit of Sm-Liiga.
  • March 31, 2016: Bakersfield signs W Joey Benik from St. Cloud State.
  • April 7, 2016: Oilers sign Nick Ellis from Providence.

Chiarelli needs to add more. The good thing? He knows it. How can we tell? Activity.

DRAKE

  • Ron Hextall talked about Drake Caggiula: “It depends on how his game transitions from college to the NHL level. He’s a talented player. He’s got speed, he plays hard, he has a lot of good attributes. He’s got a shot at being a top six [player] based on his ability. He’s not the biggest player but he plays hard.” Source

Caggiula was 39gp, 25-26-51 (NHLE is 44 points) and he is a C-L and shoots left. Smaller (5.10, 185) but the kind of speed Edmonton is going to need for the coming years. UND player, so he was once teammates with Dillon Simpson for a couple of years. The report from Frank Seravalli has Edmonton has one of the possible destinations, he would be a solid get.

Extremely likely this is wishful thinking—Sochi might lose him to Moscow for all we know—but Paigin may be on the move this summer. Where would he fit in the Oilers organization? Well, ideally you place him in Bakersfield for 40 games (at least), but the big shot from the point has to be intriguing for Peter Chiarelli and management. I hope we see him in the fall.

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Winquist photo by Rob Ferguson

I posted my top 20 prospects for the spring yesterday, had Winquist ahead of a bunch of high draft picks. Winquist’s numbers warranted an even higher ranking, but I nicked him because there are things the numbers don’t tell us (speed mostly, but other elements). Bob Green and his staff will probably sign another Winquist (or Braden Christoffer or Marco Roy or Alexis Loiseau) this summer before or after the draft. Here are a few I like, maybe we will see them at training camp this fall.

CHL FREE AGENTS

  1. C-R Tyson Baillie. Elite Prospects: Baillie plays a strong all-round game. He has good balance and speed and quick hands that allow him to handle the puck well in one-on-one situations. He sees the ice well, makes skilled passes and creates chances. Source
  2. C Alex Forsberg. Elite Prospects: Gritty two-way forward who earns his minutes. Not the fastest skater but is mobile at a productive level. Handles the puck well and makes conclusive decisions quickly. Not afraid to get physical and play in the hard areas of the ice. All-in-all, a versatile grinding forward with some offensive potential. (Curtis Joe, EP 2016) Source.
  3. F Michael Joly. Ryan Biech: When looking at comparables, Joly’s matches went onto becoming NHL regulars 5.26% of the time. Measuring in at 5’11” and 172 lbs, Joly has some weight to gain. But given his offensive numbers in last years playoffs and the boost in production this season, he may be a worthwhile gamble for a team. You can add weight and strength to a player, but adding good offensive instincts isn’t something that can usually be taught. Sourc
  4. Hunter Garlent. Ryan Biech: Garlent appears to be a classic case of a player who has filled out and is now much larger and stronger than most of his competition. When looking at comparables, 2.6% went onto NHL careers. In my opinion, that number isn’t really worth the dice roll. The aforementioned WHL players give you a 2:1 odd of an NHL regular. Source

If Edmonton brought in Sami Vatanen and Travis Hamonic, the defense would be better in a heartbeat. I would prefer:

  • Klefbom—Hamonic
  • Sekera—Vatanen
  • Davidson—Fayne

But the Fayne Train only has one passenger on this blog and that’s okay with me.

CORSI FOR 5X5 D YEAR END

That puts Jordan Oesterle, Griffin Reinhart and Darnell Nurse in the AHL to start the season, but as the past has taught us (with spikes and gravity) these men will soon be flying north. What would trading two forwards do to this lineup? Well, as Bob discussed getting Laine probably means Eberle is going, and maybe the Oilers trade Hall to the Islanders for Hamonic and Ryan Strome (Kepler62 brought it up as an idea last night— I think that is too strong, but worth discussing).

  • Maroon—McDavid—Draisaitl
  • Milan Lucic—Nuge—Laine
  • Pouliot—Strome—Kassian

I am not thrilled with that lineup, would prefer the Oilers sign Jason Demers and then deal one of the $6 million dollar men. You? And, as I have been saying for months, if Milan Lucic gets to free agency, Peter Chiarelli is going to be all over that opportunity.

THE LOWETIDE PLAN.

Universally despised, ripped thoroughly by onlookers and casual fans, once again I would like to lay out the Lowetide Plan. I have published this before, so apologies for repeating:

 

  • Find balance. Since Chris Pronger was traded, the Oilers have been so far from balance the mind boggles. Balance can come in very specific ways (two right blue, a righty center to tip in the high passes, or a hammer from the point—even a renowned penalty killer).
  • Add two defensemen who are actual NHL players. We have discussed this at length, I will only say that at this point I am fairly convinced that Hamonic and Demers are the best available (if Hamonic is) options. Vatanen has also been mentioned, my guess is the Ducks would rather trade Cam Fowler. I do think Edmonton can add blue without breaking the bank (more below).
  • Re-stock the system. The 2015 draft looks good early, Edmonton needs to do it again. As well, signing college and CHL and Euro free agents (recently Joey Benik, Colton Waltz, Jere Sallinen—one from each category) is vital. Some for the 50-man, more on AHL deals. This may also mean signing men like Josh Winquist and Marco Roy to NHL deals.
  • Keep the centers three. Why? It sets up everything, just everything. Look, Todd McLellan doesn’t use his 4line at 5×5 too much, but a third line (featuring Nuge, and say, Pouliot) will give the opposition fits on the road, and give cover to the McDavid and Leon lines at home. Adding a righty center to the group is a grand idea, though (more below).
  • Light a candle. I don’t believe in voodoo or witchcraft or the power of a seance, so will go with a simple lighting of a candle. The Oilers have very little depth, so staying healthy will be vital to any success we see next season.

chiarellis trades

CHIARELLI’S SUMMER

  1. Top-pairing D to partner with Klefbom (Jason Demers)
  2. Trade pieces for extra D help (Yak for Damon Severson, etc)
  3. Acquire RHC (Andrew Shaw)
  4. Offload unwanted contracts (Lauri Korpikoski)
  5. Backup goalie (Jhonas Enroth, but may cost too much)
  6. Re-stock the system partly through college and CHL signings (Benik, but also Winquist, et al)
  7. Build up the system (especially forwards) via draft (Laine, Tyler Benson)

 

PROJECTED LINEUP

  • Maroon—McDavid—Eberle
  • Hall—Nuge—Draisaitl
  • Pouliot—Shaw—Pakarinen
  • Hendricks—Letestu—Kassian
  • Klefbom—Demers
  • Sekera—Fayne
  • Davidson—Severson
  • Talbot, Enroth

A few things: The actions of Andrew Shaw last night will probably be a topic of discussion and that’s fine by me—conversation and education is a good thing. Please be respectful and remember this blog does not welcome or encourage bullying, shitty behavior or general asshattery. Frankly, I would change Shaw out but he is kind of perfect for the offseason needs list and I had him in mind before the incident. I imagine the cost to get him will be a pretty penny, but Chicago has some cap issues and some defensive needs so this may work.

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LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

We are bringing the good stuff this morning, TSN1260 at 10am. Scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey. Saving Eberle.
  • Scott Cullen, TSN. Blues over Hawks, what a great series!
  • Bret Hedican, former NHL player and commentator for the San Jose Sharks. Can they do it? Beating the Kings is a damned tough thing to do.
  • Guy Flaming, Pipeline Show. U18s and WHL playoffs.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you soon!

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Zack

I’m all for hitting up the UFA market and I hope that PC goes hard after David Backes and Troy Brouwer. If he squires one or both that would make other pieces easier to move.

Maroon—McDavid—Eberle
Hall—Nuge—Draisaitl
Pouliot—(Khaira)—Pakarinen
Hendricks—Letestu—Kassian
Klefbom—
Sekera—Fayne
Davidson—

If we acquired Backes, Brouwer in FA I would feel safe trading one of our centers and we could use the 2016 1st rounder as bait as well.

Oilers Trade:
Nuge + 2016 1st (especially if it’s 1st overall) +Yakupov/D prospect (Nurse?)

With Montreal: Subban + McCarron
Including Yak (considering the galchenyuk chemistry in junior this might look like a solid package) I wonder if this would be enough to pry away Subban + McCarron (6’5″ 230lb C with grit).

With Ottawa: Karlsson + Lazar
I’m still not sure a package like that would bring in Karlsson, I’d do it and throw in another 1st rounder (2017) even considering our prospect system.

Oilers Trade: Eberle + Fayne + D Prospect and or Draft Pick(s)
Islanders Trade: Hamonic

Then our depth chart may look something like this…

Maroon—McDavid—Eberle/(Brouwer)
Hall—Backes—Draisaitl
Pouliot—(McCarron/Lazar/Khaira)—Pakarinen
Hendricks—Letestu—Kassian

Klefbom—Subban/Karlsson
Sekera—Hamonic/Fayne
Davidson—Demers

I keep beating this drum and I will until the summer is over or the pieces aren’t in play. Even if the Islanders deal isn’t done we still have solid depth even giving up the Nuge (as long as we require Backes). I’m hesitant to give up Nuge but if we get one of PK or Karlsson I’ll do it every day of the week.

If the islanders pull the trigger on an Eberle + Fayne deal that clears up cap room for us as wel as we get Hamonic on a solid contract. I’ll admit I’m not the biggest fan on Ebs but he would need a replacement ASAP and a guy like Brouwer or Lucic would be a fine replacement especially in the eyes of PC.

AsiaOil

Quote from a Dallas writer….

“A second blueliner with an expiring contract is Jason Demers. Since he arrived from San Jose, Demers has been a steady presence on the right side of the Stars’ defense. The main drawback in his game is that he is already paid in line with his on-ice performance. His play is steady and unremarkable, which makes the prospect of a raise and a multi-year commitment unappealing, especially considering the number of defense prospects in the Stars system.”

That’s my take as well – pretty much already paid in full already – and if Dallas cuts him loose then it’s a tell. Like him at his present salary – not so much at $5 million per.

Oilspill

I love the positivity of most thinking we even have a chance getting a great UFA. Now reality sets in. The only way we get one is to seriously overpay. WHY? Because this is Edmonton. Wives don’t want to come here, we have a losing tradition recently, we only have one great player, and we underavieve at best. They know we are soft overall. Well get the guy that few others want.

unca miltie

Saw Ray Shero in the Minneapolis airport this evening. Suspect he is scouting Minnesota Dallas game. Did not talk to him. Darn.

AsiaOil

Woodguy,

Will be interested to read your stuff…..

Edit…….and Demers gets 2 points tonight 🙂

Woodguy

AsiaOil:
Woodguy,

I like Demers as a decent 2nd pair RHD – he does a lot of things well – but nothing outstanding. Good ESP/60 but PPP/60 is only 2.3. My main point is that I think we already have this player on our roster – his name is Brandon Davidson – and we are paying him $2.8 million total over the next two years. Paying serious UFA dollars for a Demers type of player (Sekera lite) seems like it may be a really bad idea wrt the cap – especially with Fayne on the roster already. SJS also traded him and DAL seems to be letting him go UFA in spite of being anything but deep on the blue line. There are some red flags. But again – he’s a decent player – but probably going to get crazy money and some team will suffer buyers regret.

I rate him above Hamonic.

I don’t need my 1RD to be the PP guy, he needs to be a “helps push the river against the best” guy.

He’s played lots of 1st pairing minutes and done well.

I’m writing about him right now for my RH Dman series and I’m very surprised at what I’m finding.

Serious diamond in the rough stuff.

We also need to consider the fact that you don’t have to give up an asset to get him.

That’s pretty big.

I also am not sure if anyone better is available.

He ranked 6/32 out of the 1st-1.5 pairing Dmen in my big Dman post.

His time at 2nd pairing is helping zoom his numbers a bit, but I’m finding not much difference in QC from 1st pair to 2nd pair compared to 2nd pair to 3rd pair.

Spydyr

jonrmcleod:
I would rather develop a guy like Shaw than pay to acquire him. I think he’s the type of player you dump when they want a raise.

When was the last time the Oilers developed a guy with Shaw’s moxy, heart and battle?

Spydyr

If Fayne is higher than a 6-7 defenceman it will be another year outside the playoffs.

AsiaOil

Woodguy,

I like Demers as a decent 2nd pair RHD – he does a lot of things well – but nothing outstanding. Good ESP/60 but PPP/60 is only 2.3. My main point is that I think we already have this player on our roster – his name is Brandon Davidson – and we are paying him $2.8 million total over the next two years. Paying serious UFA dollars for a Demers type of player (Sekera lite) seems like it may be a really bad idea wrt the cap – especially with Fayne on the roster already. SJS also traded him and DAL seems to be letting him go UFA in spite of being anything but deep on the blue line. There are some red flags. But again – he’s a decent player – but probably going to get crazy money and some team will suffer buyers regret.

Acumen

vinotintazo:
would you trade Leon for Parayko?

I would. I would feel totally insane and totally justified doing so as well. I can’t remember the last time I was this immediately impressed by a rookie D. Maybe Doughty. I love Colton Parayko the player, and I think he moves into untouchable category next year. Shades of Pronger and Weber to his game.

Mr DeBakey

godot10: The Oilers depth chart on left D at the time of the trade for Reinhart.
Klefbom, Nurse, Davidson (and Nikitin and Ference)

Marincin

How many got here ahead of me?

Mr DeBakey

Well, as Bob discussed getting Laine probably means Eberle is going

This is fuckin’ insane!
Add 18-year-olds and WIN BIG; its a proven formula for SUCCESS!

the Lowetide Plan. I have published this before, so apologies for repeating

No need to apologize, I think this is why the internet was invented.
Guys hereabouts repeat themselves ad nauseum.
And the worst of it is, I’m one of them, and my percentile is high.

Mark Fayne for Mayor!

Chachi

Woodguy,

Alas, I was too late!

Woodguy

AsiaOil,

Here’s the top 60 NHL Dmen 5v5 pts/60 over the last 2 seasons, minimum 1000min to qualify.

CARLSON, JOHN 1.37
KARLSSON, ERIK 1.34
BURNS, BRENT 1.32
HEDMAN, VICTOR 1.26
ORLOV, DMITRY 1.23
KLINGBERG, JOHN 1.23
SUBBAN, P.K. 1.21
BYFUGLIEN, DUSTIN 1.17
KLEIN, KEVIN 1.17
GIORDANO, MARK 1.16
BARRIE, TYSON 1.15
JOSI, ROMAN 1.14
PARAYKO, COLTON 1.14
ELLIS, RYAN 1.12
LETANG, KRIS 1.06
PIETRANGELO, ALEX 1.05
HAMILTON, DOUGIE 1.05
GOLIGOSKI, ALEX 1.03
DALEY, TREVOR 1.03
MAATTA, OLLI 1
EKBLAD, AARON 0.99
WIDEMAN, DENNIS 0.98
GREEN, MIKE 0.97
BOYCHUK, JOHNNY 0.97
MUZZIN, JAKE 0.97
KRUG, TOREY 0.96
VLASIC, MARC-EDOUARD 0.95
WEBER, SHEA 0.93
LEDDY, NICK 0.93
KLEFBOM, OSCAR 0.93
DEMERS, JASON 0.92
MARKOV, ANDREI 0.92
STRALMAN, ANTON 0.91
HICKEY, THOMAS 0.91
MYERS, TYLER 0.91
BRODIE, TJ 0.91
MCDONAGH, RYAN 0.91
YANDLE, KEITH 0.91
BRAUN, JUSTIN 0.91
VATANEN, SAMI 0.91
WISNIEWSKI, JAMES 0.9
REDMOND, ZACH 0.9
FAULK, JUSTIN 0.89
CECI, CODY 0.89
KEITH, DUNCAN 0.89
EKHOLM, MATTIAS 0.89
JOHNSON, ERIK 0.87
HAMONIC, TRAVIS 0.86
SCHENN, LUKE 0.86
GOLOUBEF, CODY 0.86
SUSTR, ANDREJ 0.86
EKMAN-LARSSON, OLIVER 0.85
MURPHY, RYAN 0.84
STREIT, MARK 0.83
CONNAUTON, KEVIN 0.83
MILLER, KEVAN 0.82
HUTTON, BEN 0.82
DEKEYSER, DANNY 0.81
LILES, JOHN-MICHAEL 0.81
MCNABB, BRAYDEN 0.8

Notable names that are near or below Demers

Near (within 0.05pts/60) Weber, Vlasic, Muzzin, Boychuck, Green, Markov

Players below Demers: Stralman, Brodie, Myers, McDonaugh, Yandle, Braun, Faulk, Keith, Ekholm, Johnson, Hamonic, OEL,

If you’re using points then non of these players are first pair material either.

PP points is a seperate issue entirely and have nothing to do if a player “is a 1st pair Dman”

Also,

Chachi: Don’t answer him! It’s a trap!

🙂

Chachi

Woodguy:
AsiaOil,

Only 23 points on a a near career year in terms of shooting percentage. Sorry but I don’t pay much more than he’s making right now ($3.65 million) and he will get more. Much more. Pass

Why is this your criteria for a top pair Dman?

Would you exclude everyone who’s point totals are similar to him?

Don’t answer him! It’s a trap!

Woodguy

AsiaOil,

Only 23 points on a a near career year in terms of shooting percentage. Sorry but I don’t pay much more than he’s making right now ($3.65 million) and he will get more. Much more. Pass

Why is this your criteria for a top pair Dman?

Would you exclude everyone who’s point totals are similar to him?

rickithebear

24G averages top 50 in goal scoring!
Forwards with 24g/season 5 of last 5 years (15 in 12/13)
Eberle faces other teams best PvP during this period.
All other PvP forwards will be noted.
per season avg shown

Ovechkin 49G/season
Stamkos 42G
Tavares 30G
Kessel 28G
Eberle 27G (PvP)
Marchand
Pacioretty
Parise
Pavelski
Perry
Seguin
Simmonds
Toews (PvP)
Ladd (PvP)

Hall is 4 of 5 seasons PvP
Backes 3 of 5 seasons PvP
Brouwer 2 of 5 seasons 32g; 25g 21G ad 2 seasons of 18G 14.6 Shooting %

Mcdavid looks good for 30G

AsiaOil

As others have said – counting on Demers as a top pair solution is foolish as he is a 2nd pair RHD. Does this look like a top pair defenseman?

https://www.nhl.com/player/jason-demers-8474218

Only 23 points on a a near career year in terms of shooting percentage. Sorry but I don’t pay much more than he’s making right now ($3.65 million) and he will get more. Much more. Pass

I like RD Severson and would not mind RW Smith-Pelly from NJD – maybe Reinhart, Yak and 2nd round pick for Severson, Smith-Pelly and NJD first round pick? Then get Hamonic from NYI for Nurse and draft Sergachev if we pick #4.

Klef Hamonic
Sekera Fayne
Davidson Severson
Sergachev

Not perfect but do-able by the draft – and we still have all the Austins (potentially deal one in July) and see what happens at free agency. If you can somehow dump Fayne and sign Demers for about $4 million in July then wonderful – build Chia a statue. But Demers is probably going to get crazy coin by a desperate team and I don’t want it to be us.

Jaxon

I’d be satisfied with only one UFA signing like Jason Demers as long as that was supplemented with 2 or 3 young RD or close-to-NHL-ready RDs. Eastern conference (easier trade partners) right handed D with some size, offensive skills and no skating issues include Michael Paliotta, Madison Bowey, Robbie Russo, Alex Petrovic, Mark Pysyk, Ryan Pulock and Damon Severson. Trading for these players will not create holes elsewhere.

SwedishPoster

I think the smart play with Paigin is to keep him in the KHL for one more season and be the top pairing go to guy. Have him feel comfortable in that position, let’s remember that he’s only done a very brief spell as a first pairing D. Might be smart to give him a full season with his newly aquired status in his home country before putting him on NA ice in a country where I doubt he understands much of the language and ask him to succeed. If he stays in Russia he’s likely to get a regular spot on the NA team to further tune up his level of play.
I don’t think the AHL would hurt him but the sense is that russian players get restless pretty quickly if they can’t win an NHL spot fairly soon, which is only logical when they know can get more money and recognition in the KHL, so imo the closer to NHL ready the better with russian prospects or you risk losing them before they hit their stride. To some extent the same goes for swedes, though the AHL has gotten a slightly better rep the last few years.

Ca$h-McMoney!

Water Fire,

I’ve never seen his numbers but Lovejoy is almost universally “Poulioted on” by the Penguins twitter-verse, who are generally the analytical types. Doesn’t sound like he’s the solution.

Gayfish

If someone doesn’t want Shaw because he said a mean word, I don’t know what to say. If that is the criteria, who can you sign?

Water Fire

I can’t find comfort in players that can only play if the others do the real work. Fayne just doesn’t suit the Oilers. It’s not that he’s a bad player it’s that the Oilers have to be able to move the puck to succeed, and having a D that has to find his partner first with a pass makes them to vulnerable to getting hemmed in.

Trade Fayne and sign Lovejoy who is highly mobile, and can both defend and pass for cheap at lower levels and is UFA I beleive. the Oilers don’t need thugs, having players that won’t go in for being pushed around is enough, and I think they are mostly there.

blainer

This is how I view the Reinhart and Talbot Trades.

I have lumped them together. So for me the trade is…

No. 16 , 33 , 57 , 74, and 189.. for Reinhart Talbot and Paigin.

The Paigin pick may make this trade a win all on it’s own. Way too early IMO to judge this trade.

With the emergence of Davey this year I fully expect Reinhart or Nurse to be included in a trade at the draft.

While I said the draft would be really interesting last year for us and it was I think the moves that happen this year will be even bigger.

Chia needs to get these trades done right !!

GCW_69

Quinlan:
season not played,

We’re all good. Appreciate the response.

Since we’re talking about Strome, what about his linemates? Prince and Quine have been surprisingly good in the playoffs so far.

Anyone know why OTT gave up on Prince? I seem to recall the fancies liking him there, though admittedly his boxcars were underwhelming.

And didn’t Quine play with Daniil Zharkov? I may be mistaken.

Also, seems like Snow has a knack for picking up these kinds of players. Odd guy who does things his own way, but he’s building something nice with the Islanders. Losing Okposo will hurt, but they could be contenders for a long time.

This may help

“There were also rumours following Prince. The big rumour was that he wanted an NHL contract, and if he didn’t get one he would’ve bolted to the KHL. There were also rumours about a behind-the-scenes offer-sheet from Tim Murray for one of his favourite players to come join the Buffalo Sabres. But both of these past summers, Prince has said all the right things publicly and re-signed with the team.

The first sign that management wasn’t so high on Prince came during last year’s stretch run. Prince was called up for two games as part of prospects getting a chance to play down the stretch to show what they could do. Matt Puempel would get the next call-up, and he stayed for 13 games because the Sens weren’t messing with a winning roster. When Puempel’s season ended to a high-ankle sprain, Prince didn’t get the spot. It confused many that Prince didn’t get a shot despite playing better than Puempel in the AHL and the NHL.”

http://www.silversevensens.com/2016/2/29/11135374/shane-prince-trade-ottawa-senators-new-york-islanders-nhl-trade-deadline-2016

dustrock

GCW_69: No, people who criticize the Reinhart trade believe Reinhart couldn’t materially help that pathetic depth chart and the assets should have been used on a proven defender, either at the draft or post draft.The problem, as you point out, was obvious.Reinhart didn’t address the problem.

Part of the problem was that Reinhart hadn’t been tracking well for the Islanders, or at least, not as hoped for for a 4th overall pick. Given the acquisition cost for a prospect not living up to his draft billing as some kind of immediate assistance for the Oilers D corps seems silly.

GCW_69

godot10: The Oilers depth chart on left D at the time of the trade for Reinhart.

Klefbom, Nurse, Davidson (and Nikitin and Ference)

Sekera was still just a faint hope at that point.

Kleftbom, an unproven CHL grad, and an unproven AHL grad…

People who criticize the Reinhart trade were betting on an unproven CHL, an unproven AHL grad, and a UFA signing that might not have happened.

No, people who criticize the Reinhart trade believe Reinhart couldn’t materially help that pathetic depth chart and the assets should have been used on a proven defender, either at the draft or post draft. The problem, as you point out, was obvious. Reinhart didn’t address the problem.

john

first time, long time.. thanks LT, your site is a gem! i love your takes and the forum of ideas you’ve helped create.

ehuisman,

i think you’re spot on, thanks for the article.. all else equal, having more one-timer options on the pp makes sense.

Jaxon

PS Second half of Paigin tweet:

https://twitter.com/ChunkletsHockey/status/708395455869091840

“Patrick C
‏@ChunkletsHockey
#KHL: No word on whether Butsayev meant that Paigin is probably coming to NA, or likely headed elsewhere in the KHL. #Oilers (2/2)”

[…] • Comprehensive strategy for restocking the Oilers farm system. [Lowetide] […]

Quinlan

season not played,

We’re all good. Appreciate the response.

Since we’re talking about Strome, what about his linemates? Prince and Quine have been surprisingly good in the playoffs so far.

Anyone know why OTT gave up on Prince? I seem to recall the fancies liking him there, though admittedly his boxcars were underwhelming.

And didn’t Quine play with Daniil Zharkov? I may be mistaken.

Also, seems like Snow has a knack for picking up these kinds of players. Odd guy who does things his own way, but he’s building something nice with the Islanders. Losing Okposo will hurt, but they could be contenders for a long time.

Melman

I really hope Chia doesn’t chase Lucic. I have a hard time seeing ML being worth $5M more that Maroon and I like that Poo is a different player than the Marron/Lucic model. Spend the $ on the D. If the wingers to start the year are Hall, Poo, Maroon, 1 of Yak or Ebs, Pakman, Laine + either a new vet hire or Leon (if a vet C comes in) that’s pretty solid.

Hall for Hamonic and Strome is silly. Would you trade Hall for Klef and Yak? No gracias

Woodguy

John Chambers:
Demers played only 15 mins in the loss to Min the other day with Goli & Kling playing 25 each, and Oduya playing 20.

Should we really be referring to Demers as top-pair?

Also, DAL ran Goligoski-Klingberg a lot like Oilers ran Klef-Schultz.

Lots of TOI, but tried to get Sekera out against the toughs, except with DAL it was Oduya-Demers out against the toughs.

Blends to the QC so that the top 4 are all pretty close.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Andrew Shaw would be a great add. I guess it depends on price tag and his next contract.

G Money:
GENERAL asshattery?

I’m pretty sure I’m an Admiral.

*clap, clap, clap*

G Money

GENERAL asshattery?

I’m pretty sure I’m an Admiral.

godot10

nafnikufesin:
People get on Chia for the Reinhart trade, but reframe it this way: a lot of people thought that Sather was asking what we paid for Reinhart as what he wanted for Talbot. If chia had paid that much, i would still see the Talbot trade as a win.

So what if Chia had traded what we paid for Reinhart for Talbot instead, and then traded what we paid for Talbot for Reinhart instead. We’d still have traded exactly the same thing for the same two players, but I don’t think anyone would be arguing the price Chia paid.

In other words, I think it’s a wash. Reinhart didn’t immediately address our needs, but draft picks wouldn’t have either. In a couple years, this trade may look very different, maybe better, maybe worse. Too early to call. The only thing one could criticize is that could those to picks have been used to get more immediate help?We were never going to compete for the cup this year regardless, so was it more forward thinking to get a young enough player that could still be part of “the McDavid cluster” when we start our string of cup runs in a couple years?

The Oilers depth chart on left D at the time of the trade for Reinhart.

Klefbom, Nurse, Davidson (and Nikitin and Ference)

Sekera was still just a faint hope at that point.

Kleftbom, an unproven CHL grad, and an unproven AHL grad…

People who criticize the Reinhart trade were betting on an unproven CHL, an unproven AHL grad, and a UFA signing that might not have happened.

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Quinlan,

You’re right. I apologize.

Have a nice afternoon.

godot10

If two right shot D are acquired to push Fayne down to 3rd pairing RD, I have no problem with Fayne. But if those two right shot D are acquired, then Chiarelli is looking to trade Fayne in a legitimate hockey deal.

Demers is the last option to fix the defense because he is not available till July 1, and it would be foolish to wait/depend on a UFA signing on July 1.

Chiarelli will want to have fixed the defense before July 1. I expect the RFA D expecting offer sheets on July 1 (Trouba, Jones, Vatanen, Lindholm) will be resolved by signed contracts or trades before the draft like Hamilton last year.

St. Louis and the Islanders will probably want to resolve the Shattenkirk and Hamonic situations before the draft.

Quinlan

season not played,

That’s not really a way to start a reasonable discussion; I’m not interested in trading barbs.

Have a nice day though!

nafnikufesin

People get on Chia for the Reinhart trade, but reframe it this way: a lot of people thought that Sather was asking what we paid for Reinhart as what he wanted for Talbot. If chia had paid that much, i would still see the Talbot trade as a win.

So what if Chia had traded what we paid for Reinhart for Talbot instead, and then traded what we paid for Talbot for Reinhart instead. We’d still have traded exactly the same thing for the same two players, but I don’t think anyone would be arguing the price Chia paid.

In other words, I think it’s a wash. Reinhart didn’t immediately address our needs, but draft picks wouldn’t have either. In a couple years, this trade may look very different, maybe better, maybe worse. Too early to call. The only thing one could criticize is that could those to picks have been used to get more immediate help? We were never going to compete for the cup this year regardless, so was it more forward thinking to get a young enough player that could still be part of “the McDavid cluster” when we start our string of cup runs in a couple years? 🙂

Woodguy

John Chambers:
Demers played only 15 mins in the loss to Min the other day with Goli & Kling playing 25 each, and Oduya playing 20.

Should we really be referring to Demers as top-pair?

He came back early from shoulder injury.

He was averaging 20:54/gm before the injury.

He hasn’t been the same, the shoulder probably isn’t near 100%.

He was very good this year.

GCW_69

ehuisman: Well, Laine is a perfect fit for the Ovechkin spot. The problem is that you need a capable right-hand shooting D to feed that one-timer, and none of Demers, Fayne and Severson fit that bill. Vatanen would.

Why do you say Severson doesn’t fit the bill? He was second on the Devils on PP TOI and led the team’s defence with 21 points.

GCW_69

JimmyV1965:
Don’t like the idea of adding Severson. Not sure if he can beat out Nurse or even GR for the bottom pairing.If Demers is the best dman we get this summer, I would call it a huge fail for PC.I do like the idea of trading Yak for Strome.Both players need a change of scenery and both had some reasonable success in the past.

Severson is a right shot defender. For CorsiRel for the last two years has been +3.7 and +3.3, so consistently better than his peers, and he played the second most powerplay minutes of any Devils defender last season. He had the most points of any Devils defender. He is also 6.02 and 205 lbs.

Meanwhile, Nurse and Reinhart got buried on CorsiRel and delivered no offense.

LT…what the he-ck are the Eagles doing!?

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Quinlan,

I don’t think truly elite offensive talent means what you think it means.

N64

“Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey. Saving Eberle”

The summer flick I want to see? With three 6 million dollah brothers in harms way Tom Hanks goes behind enemy lines to save Private Ryan.

Diesel

I will be Corey Crawford pissed if Hall is the chip played in a Hamonic deal; damn near regardless of the supplementary pieces.

who

ehuisman: Did you read the article by Arik Parnass I linked to? Even a bit of it? Well, let me quote:

He goes on to provide some very useful GIFs with some very useful explanations.

In any case, the Oilers should try to emulate the Caps 1–3–1 PP formation with McDavid taking Bäckström’s role and, hopefully, Laine being the Ovechkin. Replacing Carlson/Niskanen is the last missing piece of the puzzle, there are multiple options for Johansson (Nuge, Drai, Hall, …) and some for Brouwer as well (Letestu, Pakarinen, Kassian)

No I didn’t read the article but I understand the premise, I just don’t think that it is imperative the Oiles have a right hand dman to quarterback the powerplay. Let’s just get 4 legit top 4 dmen in the lineup every day before we worry about a powerplay quarterback or worry about which way he shoots.
In a perfect world all the right wingers and right defenders would shoot right and we would have 2 righty centers but that never happens. We are not playing with toy soldiers here. Every position player does not have to fit a certain mold.
In my mind the Oilers don’t need to emulate anybodys powerplay. They have enough skill guys to have a very good powerplay without a righty shot dman. There’s lots of ways to run a successful powerplay, It doesn’t have to look like the Capitols powerplay, or anyone elses.

GCW_69

Tapdog:
GCW_69,

Not sure that a Hall for Hamonic/Stromesolves two problems? Hamonic as a RHD that can play, for sure but if Strome is expected to be that third line center we are missing, I don’t think so. This past season he took a total of 95 face offs and winning 41% of them.

We lose that trade 10 out of 10 times

I agree if we are moving Hall out,it has to be for a top RHD like Karlsson or Subban (as examples).

Strome also played Right Wing this year.

I think Strome has more offensive upside than Nelson, but if the focus is 3C then Nelson is probably a better fit.