THE DAYS BEFORE THE RAPTURE

by Lowetide

In all of the hurry to put the season behind us, it is important to remember the future contains Connor McDavid—and that alone is worth the price of admission.

  • “If there is any player in the NHL that I would like to become, it’s Pavel Datysuk. He has amazing offensive skills but is also someone that the coach can put on in the last 30 seconds in a one goal game because he is also very defensive minded. He is the complete 2-way player”.Connor McDavid, when asked if there was anyone in the NHL he looks at and says ‘that’s the player I’d like to become’? (2012 interview)

All of those comparisons usually go away after a few years, but McDavid impressed me this year with his ability to go get the puck from NHL players. Seemingly at will. At 18. It was a short but incredible season, let’s do it again! Now, the big question: Who will join McDavid for the ride?

BLUE SKY LIST

  1. D Erik Karlsson, Ottawa Senators. The mind boggles at the power-play possibilities. You would have to think acquiring this player would mean at least one—maybe two—of the top-flight forwards. On the other hand, a monster deal might include some nice players like Mike Hoffman and Curtis Lazar, as the Senators appear ready to burn it down.
  2. D P.K. Subban, Montreal Canadiens. It could be a perfect storm (crazy organization, NMC about to kick in, enormous contract), but this distant bell can’t be heard by the human ear. What would it cost? So much it wouldn’t be worthwhile.
  3. D Tyson Barrie, Colorado Avalanche. He is close to a perfect fit for the puck-moving portion of this team, and might be available during the era of crazy in Denver. He has been a 50-point blue for the last two seasons, is young enough to enjoy a strong run, and may in fact be available.
  4. C Steve Stamkos, Tampa Bay Lightning. The injury probably gives one pause, but the talent is so strong I still think someone blows their brains out on a long-term deal. Will it be Edmonton?
  5. L Milan Lucic, Los Angeles Kings. The early exit may mean the LAK go in a different direction and I have always maintained Peter Chiarelli would be aggressive. Hall, Maroon and Pouliot are a solid LW group, but Edmonton could trade out one of them to make room.
  6. D Jason Demers, Dallas Stars. Not as popular in the comments section as he is with this blog’s author, I already have several blog titles lined up for when he signs. Effective defenseman, he costs only money.
  7. D Travis Hamonic, NY Islanders. Based on last summer’s deal, the pricetag for Chiarelli will probably run somewhere near double, but this is a solid player and a great option for Edmonton.
  8. D Sami Vatanen, Anaheim Ducks. His availability has been rumored but is uncertain. I like his puck-moving ability but as with all young blue there is not a clearly established level of ability. What we see is very good offensively.
  9. C Andrew Shaw, Chicago Blackhawks. I read somewhere that he reminds Scotty Bowman of Derek Sanderson, and man that is a helluva player. No idea if he is available but that would be a huge get for Chiarelli.
  10. D Justin Faulk, Carolina Hurricanes. Bob Stauffer has mentioned him several times (with the Nuge being a player of interest) and the big surprise here is that Carolina might make him available. I have him ranked here, but the gap between Faulk and (say) Barrie is not large in my mind. If you can get one of them for less, giddyup.
  11. G James Reimer, San Jose Sharks. He had a good year, Chiarelli would be wise to check out the asking price. His EV save percentage is stellar.
  12. D Michael Stone, Arizona Coyotes. Rarely mentioned, he is an interesting option if Edmonton wins the lottery and the Coyotes attempt to load up a trade idea. He spiked offensively this year, you would like to have a little more track with those kind of boxcars.
  13. C Ryan Strome, New York Islanders. I include him because the Islanders seem to be souring on the young forward (might end up as a RW). He is talented, and if available, Chiarelli would be wise to swoop in.
  14. Jacob Trouba, Winnipeg Jets. Zero buzz about this player to Edmonton, but he does have NHL experience and he was a solid young player a year ago. Whatever wobbled him this season may not impact long term.
  15. D Mark Pysyk, Buffalo Sabres. He has had several false starts in Buffalo, but the numbers imply there is a player here. Might shake loose and could help.
  16. D Damon Severson, New Jersey Devils. Under the radar name, he did pretty well in 2015-16. I have no idea if he is available but this is a player who is young enough to grow with the group in Edmonton.
  17. D Colin Miller, Boston Bruins. He never gets mentioned, but if you look at the numbers this guy keeps showing up in interesting places. No idea if he has a future, but his now is interesting.
  18. D Eric Gryba, Edmonton Oilers. I doubt Mark Fayne returns, and Gryba could slide in as an inexpensive option in the stay-at-home department.
  19. D Ville Pokka, Chicago Blackhawks. Young defender in the Chicago system just posted a solid year in the AHL. Suspect they will keep him, but you never know.
  20. C Riley Nash, Carolina Hurricanes. Already reaching UFA status, Nash has decent size, some offense and good possession numbers. As a righty C, he should be on a list somewhere in Peter Chiarelli’s office.
  21. D Ryan Sproul, Detroit Red Wings. Puck-moving defender in the AHL, he might be ready for an NHL role this fall.
  22. G Jhonas Enroth, Los Angeles Kings. I liked him a year ago for Edmonton and depending on price he would be an excellent addition.
  23. C Cody Hodgson, Buffalo Sabres. Chiarelli likely solves his C problem before he reaches this point, but Hodgson is still young and two years removed from a 20-goal season.
  24. D Dennis Wideman, Calgary Flames. A year removed from a fantastic offensive season, he would probably be available for less than zero. Wildly unpopular idea, it might work.
  25. D Dan Boyle, New York Rangers. While Chiarelli casts about looking for the new Dan Boyle to fit Todd McLellan’s team, why not one season with the old one?
  26. D Taylor Aronson, Nashville Predators. Minor-league defender with some interesting numbers and he shouldn’t be expensive.

Allen is a new pro this season despite being advanced in age (25) for a prospect. He has some size (6.03, 198). University of Alaska-Anchorage and he turned pro in 2015-16. Played in the ECHL this year (42gp, 15-19-34).

https://twitter.com/NicholsOnHockey/status/723524833238089729

I would prefer a more measured approach to this summer, but it all depends on availability. You don’t trade a Nuge unless a very big name is also available, same goes for Hall or Eberle. Is Erik Karlsson in play? We wait.

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dustrock

I think there may be teams who are tired of the mediocrity that parity is going to give you and might be willing to make substantial (and possibly silly) moves.

The Habs are an interesting team. Yes, Price obviously and Subban is fantastic, but otherwise, do you look at this team and think “Stanley Cup Contender”?

jonrmcleod

Off topic: This thought came to me as I was watching the third period of the Sharks-Kings game…

I remember it being recently said that fewer goals than we assume are scored as a result of cycling the puck in the offensive zone. (I think it might have been Jen LC/@regressedPDO who did the study.) Would this not solve the mystery as to why a high Corsi team like the Kings–who love to cycle the puck–often have trouble scoring goals?

Mr DeBakey

What would it cost? So much it wouldn’t be worthwhile.

I’ve said it before, and by Gawd, I’ll say it again, Its gotta be Sekera.
Sekera, the 1st, Yakupov for PK and the Habs’ 2nd.
Sumthin like that

bobinyvr

Lowetide and others,

Regarding an expansion draft, do you think the NHL will or should require “Vegas” to retain claimed players for a certain period of time like the rule 5 draft in baseball – though maybe not an entire year..

If the idea is for all teams to make available good players (minimum cap numbers) for competitive balance reasons can an argument be made that Vegas can’t simply flip good players for picks and thus remain crappy out of the gate?

stush18

dustrock,

Having an all world goaltender changes things.

I look at Montreal as a team that can be very strong defensively, hard checking and hard working, that makes there living off a successful powerplay from drawing penalties from being said hard working team.

That’s how it should be in theory. But when price isn’t playing, and subban isn’t a threat on the powerplay, you can’t hope to win.

Best players have to be your best players.

flyfish1168

If we win the lottery I would propose to the Yotes,
our 1st , Reinhart, and Yak
for their 1st, OEL, Stone and Domi.

flyfish1168

Mr DeBakey:
What would it cost? So much it wouldn’t be worthwhile.

I’ve said it before, and by Gawd, I’ll say it again, Its gotta be Sekera.
Sekera, the 1st, Yakupov for PK and the Habs’ 2nd.
Sumthin like that

I’m concern about PK attitude and CAP hit. JMHO

Woodguy

You pretty much hit every player on everyone’s wish list.

This is the defining summer for the Chiarelli Oilers.

I can see all of:

-awful
-bad
-meh
-ok
-good
-great!
-OMGBBQWOOT!!

as probable outcomes.

We live in interesting times, Oiler-wise

frjohnk

jonrmcleod:
Off topic: This thought came to me as I was watching the third period of the Sharks-Kings game…

I remember it being recently said that fewer goals than we assume are scored as a result of cycling the puck in the offensive zone. (I think it might have been Jen LC/@regressedPDO who did the study.) Would this not solve the mystery as to why a high Corsi team like the Kings–who love to cycle the puck–often have trouble scoring goals?

I would tend to agree with you here.

And on the flipside, a team that has a low corsi, but is known as a rush team, may score more goals than expected. Im thinking Colorado 2 years ago, Calgary last year.

Woodguy

flyfish1168,

I’m concern about PK attitude

None of us have the first clue about what his attitude is among his team so I don’t know how you can worry about it.

dustrock

Winning solves a lot of locker room problems.

Boys on the Bus were some characters

stush18

jonrmcleod:
Off topic: This thought came to me as I was watching the third period of the Sharks-Kings game…

I remember it being recently said that fewer goals than we assume are scored as a result of cycling the puck in the offensive zone. (I think it might have been Jen LC/@regressedPDO who did the study.) Would this not solve the mystery as to why a high Corsi team like the Kings–who love to cycle the puck–often have trouble scoring goals?

My grandpa used to teach puck possession styles when I was growing up, vs the popular trap and dump and chase.

If you have the puck, they can’t score.

Also LA was 14th for goals for, basically tied for tenth. And the third fewest against.

If you always have the puck, they can’t score.

Woodguy

frjohnk: I would tend to agree with you here.

And on the flipside, a team that has a low corsi, but is known as a rush team, may score more goals than expected.Im thinking Colorado 2 years ago, Calgary last year.

The logical conclusion to this is that coaches who want to change their team from a rush team to a cycle team, like McLellan does, are going backwards.

Woodguy

To be clear:

I think the Oilers could use some more cycle type play, but not at the expense of the rush, which they are pretty good at.

jonrmcleod

stush18,

I checked the stats and LA was 16th in even strength Goals For and 1st in even strength Corsi For.

But the Kings are also 1st in even strength Goals Against, which supports your point.

flyfish1168

Woodguy:
flyfish1168,

I’m concern about PK attitude

None of us have the first clue about what his attitude is among his team so I don’t know how you can worry about it.

You are correct. We don’t know. I’m being judge and jury from how he answers questions and conducts himself. Judging someones attitude is very subjective. There is potential of me having a high probability of being incorrect here. Its like doing a job interview and having to assess the person you may hire. I have not problem being incorrect here. I do believe he is one hell of a player. Thanks WG

Acumen

Considering skillset, price point, and age, Justin Faulk would be the perfect addition. Swapping out Nuge for him makes a lot of sense to me.

Is there any smoke beyond Stauff on that front?

stush18

jonrmcleod,

Oh where did you go? Pretty similar stats otherwise though.

Either way, being a dominant possession team will lead to wins.

The only way being a rush team works is if the defending team is giving up odd man rushes. You typically don’t score on 2-2 or 3-3. That’s why having mobile dman is so crucial. If they can jump there men on the rush you create a odd man opportunity.

Also I’m not sure who it was here, if it even was here, but I’d read that your scoring chance obviously increases every time a rebound is turned into a shot. Like drastically. That’s something that’s tough to do as a rush team, so you need elite finishers.

I think the reason the cycle game gets so much attention is because in playoffs games become tighter checking. It basically comes down to who makes the least mistakes.

fifthcartel

Acumen,

One thing that he brought up is Faulk’s salary goes from 3.5m to 5.5m, while remaining a 4.5m cap hit. Two years later it goes up to 6m as well. Really good cap hit, but maybe the real dollars is something Carolina can’t afford?

I have a hard time believing they would move him but their center depth is very shallow with Rask/Lindholm.

But if it’s a budget thing, why would they be ok paying someone like RNH 6m? I’m confused a bit. Is it about allocating money from defense to forward since a) they have a lot of really cheap defensemen and b) Eric Staal is gone so they can afford a big salary forward?

I really like the talk about Barrie or Faulk though. They seem a step up on Vatanen imo.

stush18

jonrmcleod,

Looking back, it’s funny how far ahead of the times my grandpa was in regards to hockey. He followed the soviet style, and I’m sure they won multiple provincial titles in senior, after they jumped up a few divisions.

Always saying stuff like
-dump and chase is pointless. Why work so hard to get the puck if you’re going to give it up again for a 50/50 chance at getting it back?
-create 2-1’s every where on the ice. The only way to beat players as you climb higher into hockey is to create odd man opportunities.
-the moment you lose the puck, it should be an all out style to get it back. The whole point is to play with the puck. If you don’t have it, you can’t win.
-stay on your man. The only reason you should ever get scored on is if someone’s too lazy and misses their assignment. If you’re defending a 2-1, it means someone else screwed up, not you.

Of course to a ten year old playing atom, I kinda thought he was being a little crazy. Basically was telling me the exact opposite of everything my coaches were trying to teach. I remember one time I was so embarrassed because he got mad at our coach at practice one time because our coach was teaching us to dump it in, and how to trap. Came into the bench and talked quietly to our coach, but then shouting broke out. “You’re teaching them not to lose! Teach them how to win!”

Lol god I was embarrassed. But it’s funny all these years later, he woulda been a heckuva coach

Pescador

Watching the Kings lose last night reminded me of MacT stating “after the 1st round there are 8 more disappointed teams ready to make changes” I always liked that quote, props to whoever he stole that from.
The oilers could use a Dwight King or a Jordan Nolan. many other more pressing needs, I know. but the bottom 6 needs to be re-tooled.
Scoring forwards will likely be moved out for impact D
Imo it is vital that if players are traded they need to be replaced with nhl veterans. Preferably ones with playoff experience. Slepyshev & JJ are not quite there yet.

limit

Ebs + Yak for Harmonic + R.Strome

Snow has always liked Yak so NYI would be a good destination for him. Snow owes PC a slight favour on the Reinhart overpay last year anyways.

Pescador

,

OMGBBQWOOT!!
Bison burgers have this effect on me,
I’m a simple man.

Snowman

I don’t understand the worry about Maclellan turning the Oilers into the kings. He coached the Sharks and I think if you want to see the direction this team is heading style wise you have to look at the team he coached. Not some other team coached by someone else.

The Sharks employed both killers on the cycle like Thornton and off the rush guys like Hertl and Pavelski. I think we’ll see a blend of both. Additionally there was a lot of commentary this year about fast and heavy. The kings as they are currently built are just heavy. The speed has evaporated out of their game.

mustang

flyfish1168:
If we win the lottery I would propose to the Yotes,
our 1st , Reinhart, and Yak
for their 1st, OEL, Stone and Domi.

I think you would have a better chance at winning the lotto max without a ticket, than having the yotes making that trade;)

Kmart99

JW made a good point on why keeping Eberle and trading the pick is smarter than picking Laine or Puljujaarvi and trading Ebs.

You can almost guarantee that Ebs will be better than those two for the next two years. It wouldn’t be shocking if he was better than them in 3 years or even for 5-7 more years either.

The trade value of the pick at #2 will likely be higher than Eberle’s as well.

mustang

Woodguy:
To be clear:

I think the Oilers could use some more cycle type play, but not at the expense of the rush, which they are pretty good at.

I agree, they need to be very good at both. Rushing the puck in the zone is great when you can gain the zone and get a good chance on goal. If the defending team has a wall set up on their blue, well they better be able to dump the puck , get possession and cycle for a chance.

Oilers have been reluctant in the past to dump the puck when stood up at the line, far to often they would turn the puck over to a odd man rush the other way. This is how not to win a hockey game.

I think they are figuring these things out now

DRFNsuperstar

frjohnk: I would tend to agree with you here.

And on the flipside, a team that has a low corsi, but is known as a rush team, may score more goals than expected.Im thinking Colorado 2 years ago, Calgary last year.

If you want to score off the rush you’re going to have a bad time. If you need on average 220 goals to be a playoff team (with average NHL defence) you need an average of 2444 shots at a 9% scoring percentage on those shots. Less shots you take the better your scoring percentage needs to be. If you have players that don’t convert very often (under 9%) you need to be playing a shot volume game (LA/ Anaheim). If you have a team that can score (over 9.5%) you could play a little more off the rush (Ottawa/ Calgary). Problem with playing off the rush is you get a ton of shots against from turnovers and players being out of position while the other team transitions. If you’re going to play off the rush you better get above league average goaltending and convert on over 9.9% of your shots= this gives you the New York Rangers and random playoff appearances by the Calgary’s and Colorado’s of the league.

Or you could be a great possession team, who makes good goalies look brutal, and be the 15-16 Dallas Stars. Puck Possesion is what good teams at any level have, it’s why you don’t see teams scoring off the rush on power plays. Gretzky was getting 150+ points a year by setting up possession in the opposing teams zone and making plays…and because goalies were wearing street hockey pads.

wheatnoil

I feel like we’re all playing off different definitions of a ‘rush team’. What do we mean by that? Are we referring to a preference for controlled zone entries vs dump-ins or a reliance on odd-man rushes? By ‘cycle team’ are we referring to dump and chase as a zone entry or a method of maintaining possession once initial possession hasn’t resulted in a goal?

kinger_OIL

– great post LT. I’d add shattenkirk to this great list.

Chachi

While Connor McDavid is on the ice the Oilers will be a “rush” team. The other lines may need to dump and chase because opposition D are going to be less likely to give up the blue line on a rush if they are not worried about McDavid embarassing them.

With respect to trading Eberle vs trading this year’s first it all depends on where the Oilers pick. JW is a smart guy and I get that Eberle is higly likely to outscore the first round pick in the next two years, but if the Oilers are picking in the top 3 the player they draft and whatever the Oilers can get for Eberle on the trade market likely helps the Oilers win more than just Eberle at 6 million a season and whatever the Oilers get for the first rounder in a trade.

Connor

I put Subban ahead of Karlsson on my wishlist.

Subban does make more money now and doesn’t have Karlsson’s offence but Karlsson is UFA in three more seasons and he’s going to be making more than Subban is now/ McDavid is RFA in two more seasons. Having two HUGE raises so close together on one team does not seem feasible. I also think the acquisition cost of Subban should be less than Karlsson.

rickithebear

Bottom end hsca d like Subban, Hamonic, Barrie, eliminate the goal differential affect of the best even scoring lines in the game.

I will take davidson’s top 30 hsca d paired with a decent scoring third line outscoring there opp for 7m.
Rather than hall-rnh-eberle – subban being outscored for 27m cause of subban’s defence.

As frojonk narritive stated, all play is dependent on all players.

Oh wait he only said defence was! I loved how offence d fans lopped on that like the popular girl on the high school qb’s …….

Play is zonal based. And the slot/box is highly dependent on the defending of that area.

Pescador

Connor:
I put Subban ahead of Karlsson on my wishlist.

Subban does make more money now and doesn’t have Karlsson’s offence but Karlsson is UFA in three more seasons and he’s going to be making more than Subban is now/ McDavid is RFA in two more seasons. Having two HUGE raises so close together on one team does not seem feasible. I also think the acquisition cost of Subban should be less than Karlsson.

Good point

Water Fire

Arguments about hockey go so black and white, cycle OR rush, defense OR offense etc etc

Which can’t be right as hockey is the least black and white NA major sport. It is the most blended, fluid and least divisible into to parts of them all.

Which is why I can’t buy into defensive or offensive player types, it’s more about better or worse. Defensive defensemen aren’t specialists, they are limited players and their best aspect is defensive play, and vice versa.

The best players do it all so get the gravy in cash and TOI. Again it’s not black and white. There are some unique situations where someone might play a certain way to benefit the team as opposed to themselves, but typically I see it as limitations for most. It is the best league in the world after all.

I don’t think McLellan wants a grinder/cycle team, he wants a team that can also cycle. An inability to hold the offensive zone has been a major factor in getting outshot for the Oilers because the ice is always tilted to the Oilers’ end. We have seen that puck come back quick and hard because of it creating all of those rush goals against as the Oilers failed and broke down.

McLellan isn’t dense, he knows what he has. Think of cycling as time of possession in football. It keeps the defense off the field.

And while more goals are scored off the rush, a lot are still scored after lengthier offensive possession. It’s not one or the other.

Rush goals aren’t about the rush itself, they are about tempo causing breakdowns. Teams can’t get set. It’s like rebounds. Goalies usually make the first save, so a good first shot unless it’s a really clean one is better taken to create a rebound if the goalie makes the first save.

Again it’s about causing breakdowns and speeding things up so the defense can’t react well. A rebound that flies out into the slot – the kill zone – makes reacting difficult for the defending team, whereas a lesser placement or weak shot might be deflected to the corner, or worse held.

Good teams shoot from lesser angles to create rebounds to the slot as much as to score, just like they chip and chase if a rush chance or regroup isn’t there, the goal being to get into the offensive zone and out of your own.

JimmyV1965

Great article again LT. I just want to thank you and all the posters here for creating what I believe is the most interesting, thought-provoking fansite in the NHL. I’ve become a regular here over the last two months because the level of discourse is absolutely astounding. I like ON as well, but the comment section is often horrific. On this site the posters almost always give you something to think about. On other sites too many posters are simply spewing venom. I might disagree with the comments someone makes and I may even say the comment is stupid, but I’ll never call the person stupid. I love the passion of hockey fans, but the anger directed to posters and players at other sites is something I’ll never understand. So congrats to you LT for creating this oasis. I don’t know how you did it, but this is a truly remarkable place.

Bruce McCurdy

stush18: Came into the bench and talked quietly to our coach, but then shouting broke out. “You’re teaching them not to lose! Teach them how to win!”

Welcome to the Bettman Point Era.

Bruce McCurdy

stush18: If you always have the puck, they can’t score.

Unless your goalie is playing like the Sieve of Eratosthenes.

muahahahahaQuickhahahorrawfulhahahahaveanicesummeryouasshat

(Did I ever mention I’m not much of a Kings fan?)

Woodguy

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Woodguy

Lowetide: That was the goal. Although my ‘Places for Lauri Korpikoski’ post is an even longer list.

1) Not in Edmonton

Fin.

Pescador

I’ll speculate only 1 of Hamonic, Barrie, or Faulk can be had in a trade. Based on variables such as availability, assets needed, other teams offers etc.
If we can only get 1, which player is most desirable/ best fit?
Am I missing a potential target?
I don’t have Vatenen in with this group, because I don’t believe acquiring him will (should) cost top a top 5 draft pick or Eberle-who I would rather keep. btw

Woodguy

Wolf Of Ross St:
,

OMGBBQWOOT!!
Bison burgers have this effect on me,
I’m a simple man.

Me too.

leadfarmer

Woodguy: 1) Not in Edmonton

Fin.

I think the discussion begins and ends with fire him into the sun.

Kepler62

Surprised you have Faulk ranked below Barrie — Faulk is without question a better Dman.

Barrie, by all reports, is not a top pairing guy in his own end. He’s an exceptional offensive talent but lacks on the defensive side and that slots him into a #3-4 role not #1-2.

Faulk is a #1 Dman. No doubt about it. Not a #2, a #1. He’s strong in the defensive zone, he has excellent mobility, he’s an elite puck mover, and he’s a very strong PP option.

The Oilers need two RH D, however there a few players out there that would allow them to add just one and move Sekera to RS or played Fayne as he’s meant to be played. Faulk is one of those. He’s a minute muncher, and plays in all situations.

I’d prefer to add Hamonic or Demers as well, but if you just got Faulk:

Klefbom – Faulk

Sekera- Fayne

Davidson – Gryba

If you add Hamonic or Demers as well you are laughing.

Klefbom – Faulk

Sekera – Hamonic/Demers

Davidson – Gryba/Fayne

Pescador

Wolf Of Ross St:
I’ll speculate only 1 of Hamonic, Barrie, or Faulk can be had in a trade. Based on variables such as availability, assets needed, other teams offers etc.
If we can only get 1, which player is most desirable/ best fit?
Am I missing a potential target?
I don’t have Vatenen in with this group, because I don’t believe acquiring him will (should) cost top a top 5 draft pick or Eberle-who I would rather keep. btw

Have you tried reading the blog “Because Oilers”?
I would, it’s just that he posts so much Spam. ?
Brilliant content as always Darcy

Woodguy

Snowman:
I don’t understand the worry about Maclellan turning the Oilers into the kings. He coached the Sharks and I think if you want to see the direction this team is heading style wise you have to look at the team he coached. Not some other team coached by someone else.

The Sharks employed both killers on the cycle like Thornton and off the rush guys like Hertl and Pavelski. I think we’ll see a blend of both. Additionally there was a lot of commentary this year about fast and heavy. The kings as they are currently built are just heavy. The speed has evaporated out of their game.

You’re correct.

I’m an old Ukrainian Baba about this stuff, always looking for the bad in every situation.

Note: While not a Baba I had one and know several and feel this is not a remark about others, but my own experieince.

If I had a $1 for every time I heard one of them say, “oh, its too bad you didn’t ……….”

Man.

Kmart99

Lowetide: I do not agree with this. Have little time, but if you factor in cost and number of years remaining for each asset, this is not a strong argument for Eberle.

I don’t agree. Even with 10 years of control, and 3 years on a cheap ELC. It wouldn’t be shocking if neither of those players develop in to a player as good as Eberle. Even if they did become as good or better than Jordan, Hall and Nuge could both be long gone by then. Factor in the quality of defenseman coming back in a trade for the #2-3 pick vs Ebs… That could be the most important piece to the equation.