ETHAN RIFLES

by Lowetide

I always look for the players who can make and take a pass. If you watch a game from 1975, and compare it to today, there are more players now who are not expert passers than 40 years ago. Why? Well, teams ran three lines and two pairings (mostly) back then and the pace of the game was slower. Longer shifts meant a more leisurely pace. You know I am not one to wax poetic about the olden days, but the biggest issue facing NHL teams—and sweet Jesus the Oilers are the poster team—is the tape-to-tape outlet pass on the fly while keeping momentum. Making an outlet pass in 1975 was a walk in the park, making one in 2016 is threading the needle. It is a major component for the modern defender.

ETHAN BEAR

The Oilers took him No. 124 overall. Craig Button had him No. 77. “There is a lot of ability in his game to impact in a positive way. He gets where he needs to be, he never gets himself in trouble. He’s a body-on-body one-on-one competitor. If you want to play against him in the defensive zone, you’ll have to earn everything you get. He can get the puck out of the zone well, he knows what his options are, doesn’t get himself into trouble. Smart player.”

This blog first mentioned Ethan Bear in February 2015, a few months before he was drafted by the Oilers. Craig MacTavish was on a scouting trip and we got tipped off about it. I was so familiar with him at the time, called him Nathan Bear.

  • He’s 5.11, 204 and he kind of sounds like an Oilers pick (their smaller blue are usually offensive types like Hunt and Laleggia) and the skating and transition game are interesting. Fifth round pick? Seems like a reasonable bet.

By draft day I had him No. 38 overall, and he was a flat out bargain when the Oilers took him at No. 124 overall—in the fifth round. Sounds like he will sign soon, and I am happy for him, will cheer like hell. The thing is, this is just the beginning. If Ethan Bear signs that deal and works very hard, he might make the Oilers in the fall of 2019. It is a terribly long way. He has ripped up the blacktop available to him, now Bear needs to work even harder. The early returns are very good.

Cam Talbot is doing well for Canada at the WHCs, good to see him have success. I have been wondering about hiring James Reimer as the No. 2 G for next season—doubt he would accept the role, but it is worth discussing. My place holder name is Jhonas Enroth, we will have to visit this before free agency.

I was looking at goalies for the draft before going to bed last night (look, I am a real jet-setter!) and may have been staring at the names for too long. I dreamed that Peter Chiarelli drafted goalie Steve Desroschers from Innisfail of a league whose name I did not catch at No. 4 overall. It was not a good dream. There is no goalie with that name available in the draft this year, but I plan on checking all of the CHL later today.

hallnugebs

  • Fluto Shinzawa, Boston Globe: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins might be a player of interest for Boudreau and Wild GM Chuck Fletcher. In turn, with Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl in place, Edmonton is in a position of strength at center. This may be the time for the Oilers to deploy Nugent-Hopkins as trade collateral to improve their defense. Source

Before we discuss this, want to point out that expecting McDavid and Draisaitl to cut through the Western Conference’s best opposition at this point (they are both too young) is folly. Hell, Nuge took on too much too soon and that may have impacted his development—why would the Oilers do it with their current duo?

That said, and I am in no way saying RNH is heading out of town, if you are going to deal him then bringing in a veteran C who can handle those minutes is vital. In my opinion. That understood, there are some very nice candidates in Minnesota in terms of defensive help.

WAR ON ICE PLAYER CHART

minnesota defense The Wild did not have a great year in possession and their player chart is kind of strange (they all played the same quality of competition according to this, except Nate Prosser who was banished from the kingdom). I like Jared Spurgeon a lot, but doubt he is available. Matt Dumba is also a player I like a lot (he could help the power play) but he has some chaos to his game.

Jonas Brodin is often mentioned—he and Klefbom have played together before—but Brodin has not progressed as a player.

BRODIN PLAYER CARDHe entered the NHL at 19—and had his best NHL season. Since then, Brodin has been going the wrong way. I call this the Bob Hess syndrome, and even through the metrics are more advanced today, rookie defenders who fade slowly in years two through five have been around the league forever. I would not trade for Jonas Brodin, let alone trade Nuge for him.

Why? As I write this, Leon Draisaitl missed his man and McCabe the American loped down from the point for the first marker for Team USA today at the WHCs. It should have been an easy mark—although it was 4×4—and it shows to go there are lessons ahead for Leon Draisaitl. He is not ready. Nice hair, though.

Andrei brings up a great point—why would the Hurricanes trade Faulk? First, they badly need a top center. Nuge is a little shy physically in the Western Conference, but he can wheel and is wicked smart and they are buying him on the downbeat.

Plus, and this is damned important, the Hurricanes are dealing from strength. They are drunk with fantastic American defensemen, led by Noah Hanifin, Jaccob Slavin and Brett Pesce. A kid from Carlyle SK, Haydn Fleury, is a fine prospect too.

I would not trade Nuge for Faulk—unless there is a same day trade for a substantial center who can offer cover for McDavid and Draisaitl. Is Andrew Shaw coming over?

THE BLUE ROOM (wish list)

  1. Erik Karlsson, Ottawa Senators. Franchise player. He won’t move.
  2. P.K. Subban, Montreal Canadiens. Franchise player. He won’t move. Right?
  3. Jason Demers, Dallas Stars. Effective defenseman, he costs only money. With Hamonic gone, I have moved him up—and remember he costs only money.
  4. Tyson Barrie, Colorado Avalanche. He is close to a perfect fit for the puck-moving portion of this Oilers team, and might be available.
  5. Justin Faulk, Carolina Hurricanes. The gap between Faulk and (say) Barrie is not large in my mind. He cooled off as the season wore on but he would be a nice option.
  6. Travis Hamonic, NY Islanders. This is a solid player and a great option for Edmonton.
  7. Sami Vatanen, Anaheim Ducks. I like his puck-moving ability but as with all young blue there is not a clearly established level of ability. What we see is very good offensively.
  8. Radko Gudas, Philadelphia Flyers. Strong, effective defender who keeps showing up in good places in possession.
  9. Michael Stone, Arizona Coyotes. Two-way D spiked offensively this year, you would like to have a little more track with those kind of boxcars.
  10. David Savard, Columbus Blue Jackets. Interesting player, has a range of skills and could be among the more available names near the top of this list.
  11. Jacob Trouba, Winnipeg Jets. Strange year for a talented young player. Could be a buy low situation or a waste of assets.
  12. Mark Pysyk, Buffalo Sabres. He has had several false starts in Buffalo, but the numbers imply there is a player here. Might shake loose and could help.
  13. Ryan Pulock, New York Islanders. Big shot from the point has high value, he is a very young target for a team looking for bona fide help.
  14. Damon Severson, New Jersey Devils. Under the radar name, he did pretty well in 2015-16. I have no idea if he is available but this is a player who is young enough to grow with the group in Edmonton.
  15. Ryan Murphy, Carolina Hurricanes. Some chaos, but good speed and puck-moving ability. Hurricanes have a lot of options among blue and need forward help.
  16. Jordan Schmaultz, St. Louis Blues. One thing we haven’t looked at a lot is the substantial offensive defensemen in the AHL. Schmaultz is such a player and we could see the Oilers acquire a player like Schmaultz. He is a very good prospect.
  17. Anthony DeAngelo, Tampa Bay Lightning. Another player with a puck-moving element to his game but not yet estsblished as an NHL player. We have talked about him quite a bit, most recently here.
  18. Brandon Montour, Anaheim Ducks. This could be a special player. He is not far from a point-per-game as a rookie defensemen in the AHL. No idea if he is available but worth the ask.
  19. Colin Miller, Boston Bruins. He never gets mentioned, but if you look at the numbers this guy keeps showing up in interesting places. No idea if he has a future, but his now is interesting.
  20. Cody Franson, Buffalo Sabres. I am probably the only one who still likes him enough to list him, but that hammer from the point would come in handy and he fits a real need.
  21. Eric Gryba, Edmonton Oilers. I doubt Mark Fayne returns, and Gryba could slide in as an inexpensive option in the stay-at-home department.
  22. Ville Pokka, Chicago Blackhawks. Young defender in the Chicago system just posted a solid year in the AHL. Suspect they will keep him, but you never know.
  23. Frank Corrado, Toronto Maple Leafs. Very little evidence but he showed up in some good places.
  24. Ryan Sproul, Detroit Red Wings. Puck-moving defender in the AHL, he might be ready for an NHL role this fall.
  25. Dennis Wideman, Calgary Flames. A year removed from a fantastic offensive season, he would probably be available for less than zero. Wildly unpopular idea, it might work.
  26. Taylor Aronson, Nashville Predators. Minor-league defender with some interesting numbers and he shouldn’t be expensive.
  27. Matt Irwin, Boston Bruins. He was buried in the minors this season and at 28 that could be it for his NHL career. That said, he did some good things as a San Jose Sharks blue and maybe there is a connection.

The 2016 draft top 120 will be up at 5pm, some changes based on chats I have had with folks about speed and a college man I didn’t even notice. Enjoy your day, if you see me walking Ziggy make sure to say hello—and yes, I can keep up with the dog, she just likes to go too fast.

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square_wheels

Woodguy,

For the Win !

Woodguy

Lowetide:
Who had Woodguy blames the phone? MacFly? Bueller? Damn, I lost the list!

Leadfarmer has a list, but won’t read it.

I think Kinger mentioned something about Nurse too…

Woodguy

rickithebear:
Low chance shot median save % .9750
Med chance shot median save % .9150
High chance shot median save % .8300

I want the d with shots mostly in low.

You want off d like Faulk who score at a 4th line rate who give up big high chance numbers.
.8300 save%

You are not really that silly/misguided to blame a goalie for a low save % in front of those d.

If he got x save%! That is Embarrassing.

Firetruck

supernova

rickithebear,

rickithebear:
Low chance shot median save % .9750
Med chance shot median save % .9150
High chance shot median save % .8300

I want the d with shots mostly in low.

You want off d like Faulk who score at a 4th line rate who give up big high chance numbers.
.8300 save%

You are not really that silly/misguided to blame a goalie for a low save % in front of those d.

If he got x save%! That is Embarrassing.

Ricki

What is Faulk’s number ?

What is Barrie’s number ?

In these categories

supernova

Woodguy: I’m not sure our current fancystats can account for that.

Scouting + fancy stats is always better than either alone.

That said, its pretty rare that a Dman wins the shot battle in the first pairing and isn’t good.

I can’t really think of any.

Woodguy,

That’s more or less what I was getting at.

How to tell the difference between who has more Nikitin tire fire events outside of just Corsi and WOWY.

HDSCA for the most part display that.

Part of me thinks that’s what falls apart between fancy stats community and some management or media types.

Water Fire

I’m not sure how much you can separate blame on many goals outside of clear mistakes.

Really we are still at the point where all we really know is that teams that regularly outshoot are the better teams, bad goalering cannot be overcome usually, elite players cannot win alone, and luck is a fickle friend.

The most predictive stat I don’t see around anymore is the number of clear victories a team has, meaning regulation wins by more than a goal I believe it was. An obvious sign of team strength.

I watch and look for which team is in a rhythm and playing their system evenly, breaking up attacks and counter attacking consistently. When both teams and goalies are playing well the battle goes back and forth and chances are few.

The other thing I look for is which players are doing more work and winning plays consistently, especially in creating good chances, while also not giving up much at the other end. Most players go through warmer and cooler periods. Stars are far more often warm than cool, this consistency being one of the main traits that make them special in a league full of high calibre athletes.

Woodguy

LadiesloveSmid: Rhett Warrener, Mark Fistric, Ben Lovejoy, Mark Fayne, Kevan Miller, and Brett Bellemore

there’s your stanley cup defence

BearCup?

Woodguy

supernova: As Oiler fans we have seen a few of those bad Goalering seasons lately.

While I get that the Goalies play a massive part in it. How do we also account for the Defender making the bad play putting the goalie in the ridiculously bad position of trying to stop the shot when they have no chance.

The Nikitin blown gasket. The Defender that leads the team in Corsi but you also know he is gonna lead in brain dead goals against ?

HDSCA ? Is that part of the solution ?

Simply Corsi alone is sufficient IMO.

Back when McDavid came back from injury in February and the Powerplay started firing and then went dead, I started scanning the Advanced stats for the RH shot defenders.

Faulk popped out to me.

I watched about a dozen Hurricane games after that.

I like him plenty, and I think he is good Number 2 D that can make the Powerplay go. But he does have that occasional brain cramp that makes you swear at him, because you know he is capable of better.

I’m not sure our current fancystats can account for that.

Scouting + fancy stats is always better than either alone.

That said, its pretty rare that a Dman wins the shot battle in the first pairing and isn’t good.

I can’t really think of any.

bendelson

So… that was quite the baseball game today.
A little bit of everything, as they say…

LadiesloveSmid

Chachi: The answer is and always will be Rhett Warrener.

Rhett Warrener, Mark Fistric, Ben Lovejoy, Mark Fayne, Kevan Miller, and Brett Bellemore

there’s your stanley cup defence

LadiesloveSmid

rickithebear,

who did they have up front when they had this deep offensive depth on the back end? bullshit Ricki

Woodguy

frjohnk: That Sunday guy was meh.Always seemed hungover and tired.

Man.

That and it said “Was directed at you” , when I meant “Wasn’t”

I hate this phone

Chachi

Woodguy: one of those things is not like the other
one of those things just doesn’t belong
can you tell which one of these things is not like the other
by the time I’m finished this song?

The answer is and always will be Rhett Warrener.

rickithebear

Low chance shot median save % .9750
Med chance shot median save % .9150
High chance shot median save % .8300

I want the d with shots mostly in low.

You want off d like Faulk who score at a 4th line rate who give up big high chance numbers.
.8300 save%

You are not really that silly/misguided to blame a goalie for a low save % in front of those d.

If he got x save%! That is Embarrassing.

frjohnk

Woodguy: Was directed at you, just that without Forsberg the return is pretty meh for Lindros, Sunday and Nolan.

Even with Forsberg is doesn’t match what went out.

That Sunday guy was meh. Always seemed hungover and tired.

rickithebear

After lowes trades in 05 and spring 06.
Oilers had th best hsca dman depth.
After we had our deepest off d depth and finshed last.

Your big list of off d is the solution.

Woodguy

Primetime: Sorry WG, what did I mess up? Was just answering the question about Quebec/Colorado trading 3 #1 overall draft picks before winning the Cup…

Wasn’t directed at you, just that without Forsberg the return is pretty meh for Lindros, Sundin and Nolan.

Even with Forsberg is doesn’t match what went out.

Primetime

Woodguy: one of those things is not like the other
one of those things just doesn’t belong
can you tell which one of these things is not like the other
by the time I’m finished this song?

Sorry WG, what did I mess up? Was just answering the question about Quebec/Colorado trading 3 #1 overall draft picks before winning the Cup…

Oil2Oilers

Lowetide: His nickname is the Snapping Turtle, but he is prepared to change it to Smitty if the Oilers pick him.

Smitty always did make his living in the crease!

Younger Oil

Not sure if this has been mentioned, sorry if it has, but the Oilers official Facebook made a post on Ethan Bear to which someone replied “Sign him already”, to which the Oilers replied:

“He’ll be inking an ELC soon”.

Great news.

Oil2Oilers

kinger_OIL,
Thanks, Avery as a owner, interesting.

The trip has been great. Fort Mac Tuesday will be an adjustment.
kinger_OIL,

Woogie63

I am having a hard time believing in a defenseman that Wilson and Nill both let go.

supernova

Woodguy: You need to remember that Dmen don’t stop pucks.

Over the last 4 years there have been 55 goalies play at least 3000 minutes over those years.

Cam Ward ranks 48/55 with a .9156

CAR’s 5v5 SV% rank last 4 years: 29, 28, 12, 25

CAR has had a .9074 5v5 while Faulk was on the ice over those 4 years.

The median goalie of those 55 is Varlamovy with a .9225

Faulk has been on for 2332 shots against and 216goals against.

If he had league medain goaltending he GA would be 181, not 216.

35 goals better just getting average goalering

Feel better about him now?

Faulk has taken on the best (for the most part) and come out ahead on the shot clock 2465 to 2332 over the last 4 years and he just turned 24.

That’s pretty damned impressive.

Played in front of shit goalering though.

As Oiler fans we have seen a few of those bad Goalering seasons lately.

While I get that the Goalies play a massive part in it. How do we also account for the Defender making the bad play putting the goalie in the ridiculously bad position of trying to stop the shot when they have no chance.

The Nikitin blown gasket. The Defender that leads the team in Corsi but you also know he is gonna lead in brain dead goals against ?

HDSCA ? Is that part of the solution ?

Simply Corsi alone is sufficient IMO.

Back when McDavid came back from injury in February and the Powerplay started firing and then went dead, I started scanning the Advanced stats for the RH shot defenders.

Faulk popped out to me.

I watched about a dozen Hurricane games after that.

I like him plenty, and I think he is good Number 2 D that can make the Powerplay go. But he does have that occasional brain cramp that makes you swear at him, because you know he is capable of better.

Woodguy

Primetime:
Pescador,

Prior to their 1996 Cup win:

Out: Lindros/Sundin/Nolan

In (on winning roster): Lefebvre/Ozolinsh/Forsberg/Ricci/Simon

one of those things is not like the other
one of those things just doesn’t belong
can you tell which one of these things is not like the other
by the time I’m finished this song?

Woodguy

supernova: Woodguy,

Even while looking at a 4 year sample size?

2012-2016
Faulk
GF / 602.30
GA/ 60 2.83

Just 15-16

GF 2.06
GA 2.90

I get it that on a seasonal basis it’s a small sample size, I just have never understood why to disregard it entirely. The object of the game is to out score the other ones. I Understand why to Value Corsi and Fenwick at a more projectable rate then GF/ GA but I don’t understand why it shouldn’t be apart of the conversation,

Until we get some of these tracking stats that the Sportlogiq type companies track and keep private I know we rely on Corsi / Fenwick close, etc.

Just trying to learn

You need to remember that Dmen don’t stop pucks.

Over the last 4 years there have been 55 goalies play at least 3000 minutes over those years.

Cam Ward ranks 48/55 with a .9156

CAR’s 5v5 SV% rank last 4 years: 29, 28, 12, 25

CAR has had a .9074 5v5 while Faulk was on the ice over those 4 years.

The median goalie of those 55 is Varlamovy with a .9225

Faulk has been on for 2332 shots against and 216 goals against.

If he had league medain goaltending he GA would be 181, not 216.

35 goals better just getting average goalering

Feel better about him now?

Faulk has taken on the best (for the most part) and come out ahead on the shot clock 2465 to 2332 over the last 4 years and he just turned 24.

That’s pretty damned impressive.

Played in front of shit goalering though.

bendelson

kinger_OIL: McSorley’s, plus you can justify the visit for historical reasons: one of the oldest in America I believe!

I’ve stumbled out of that establishment a couple of times… for historical reasons.

Water Fire

Does anyone see a change that one of the Finns drops to 4? I wonder if the physicality of Tkachuk and Dubois entices given they also have vision and offense.

Which makes me wonder if Tkachuk at 4 is what happens. I can’t see them passing on one of these 4 wingers, with an eye to the future. Really they only have Hall in the same class and age range as the future centres.

Draft one of the wingers, sign an UFA winger, try to sign an UFA defense, maybe make a trade for another. It covers a lot of bases now and later. The other factor is I imagine they feel they won’t be this close to the cream of the draft crop for a long time.

kinger_OIL

Oil2Oilers,

Dude – sounds like your having a great trip! I’d be curious what NYC says for pub. But this one (Sean Avery is part owner)!: In Tribeca, a New York vibe. I like it there:

http://www.warren77nyc.com/

Or of course, can’t go wrong with McSorley’s, plus you can justify the visit for historical reasons: one of the oldest in America I believe!

JimmyV1965

If Blue Jackets don’t want winger at #3, they are absolutely trading down. Would be huge blunder for GM to take PLD in that spot. They could actually receive substantial value for trading down.

frjohnk

LadiesloveSmid:
Really hope CBJ addresses their centre problem at the draft. Puljujarvi just runs PPs from the left half wall, with a big shot himself. Would fit like a glove in EDM, give home some time in Bako first. Otherwise I think I trade down to 8-9 and take Chychrun

I had thought that as well, but was checking out what Aaron Portzline ( Blue Jackets beat writer) had written about Columbus GM mentioning some of the prospects at 3, and its all about Laine or Puljujarvi. Nothing about Dubois and it seems like most scouting services see Dubois more of a winger.

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/content/blogs/puck-rakers/2016/05/tidbits-thoughts-and-scribbles-1.html

“When you compare these players (Matthews, Laine and Puljujarvi),” Blue Jackets GM Jarmo Kekalainen said, “you have to realize that Matthews was almost eligible for last year’s draft. He missed it by two days. So, in hockey years — that’s what I call them — he’s a year older than the other two. You have to factor that in when you evaluate them as prospects.”

Kekalainen has scouted Laine and Puljujarvi extensively the last couple of seasons. He was reluctant to comment on either one of them, lest he show his hand in the poker game that is the draft. But he would say this:

“They are both special, special players,” Kekalainen said. “They both have high-end skills, great motors and they play fast … high skill at high speed. I’ve been watching hockey for a number of years. What Puljujarvi did at the (IIHF) World Juniors (where he named top forward) I don’t think I’ve ever seen from a 17-year-old in an under-20 tournament. What Laine did in the playoffs in Finland (named playoff MVP) is unheard of at his age. These are special players.”

As for their center depth, sounds like they will have Jenner and Dubinsky as the centers in top 6.

— With zero chance of landing Matthews, the likelihood of Brandon Dubinsky and Boone Jenner being the Blue Jackets’ 1-2 centers next season has increased dramatically. So if you take Jenner off the wing, that leaves the Blue Jackets’ top-six wingers as Brandon Saad, Nick Foligno, Cam Atkinson and Scott Hartnell. Add Laine or Puljujarvi to that mix. That leaves room for Anderson and/or Bjorkstrand, who appear to be the most NHL-ready.

supernova

Woodguy: Well when they were paired their GA would be identical right?

Faulk played 1138min 5v5 last year, 636 with Hainsey, so 56%

I doubt Hainsey apart played 1st comp, whereas you’d expect Faulk to play 1st comp regardless of his partner.

Even accounting for this goals are still way too rare to use SN, they just are.

Woodguy,

Even while looking at a 4 year sample size?

2012-2016
Faulk
GF / 60 2.30
GA/ 60 2.83

Just 15-16

GF 2.06
GA 2.90

I get it that on a seasonal basis it’s a small sample size, I just have never understood why to disregard it entirely. The object of the game is to out score the other ones. I Understand why to Value Corsi and Fenwick at a more projectable rate then GF/ GA but I don’t understand why it shouldn’t be apart of the conversation,

Until we get some of these tracking stats that the Sportlogiq type companies track and keep private I know we rely on Corsi / Fenwick close, etc.

Just trying to learn

Oil2Oilers

NYC Oil update;
Did the park walk and Met wander recommend this morning. Afternoon got too cold on the Highline so I hid out in the Chelsea market.

Just finished off a wonderful steak sandwich at Bar B. Plan to hit the Shake Shack in the park tomorrow before leaving.

It is not roof top bar weather tonight, anywhere you would recommend for watching the hockey game tonight? Flareghty’s is the only spot that I have seen that seems likely?

Cheers for the great advice.

Oil2Oilers

Lowetide: Desroscher has gloves on each hand, as he is adept at holding the stick with them. He switches up during play to confuse opponents.

I am really coming around to this Desroscher fellow. Top 4 picks can never go wrong!

LadiesloveSmid

Really hope CBJ addresses their centre problem at the draft. Puljujarvi just runs PPs from the left half wall, with a big shot himself. Would fit like a glove in EDM, give home some time in Bako first. Otherwise I think I trade down to 8-9 and take Chychrun

Primetime

Pescador,

Prior to their 1996 Cup win:

Out: Lindros/Sundin/Nolan

In (on winning roster): Lefebvre/Ozolinsh/Forsberg/Ricci/Simon

Moose

Few observations:

– Often when fans assess trade viability, we do so in a linear, 1-for-1 sense, to determine a fit. That’s super simplistic. This is chess, not checkers, to many GM’s. For instance, there’s been a lot of talk of Colorado dealing Duchene for D. We can sit here and say “why would Colorado trade Barrie?” Well, put in the context of them acquiring help from other avenues it makes more sense. Suddenly acquiring F help from Edmonton to make up for losing Duchene now makes sense.

– Same thought process applies to signing Demers. He’s “free” to other teams too. If you think you have significant interest from Demers in the pre-signing interview period, you feel a lot better about dealing a RHD to the Oilers. This is how many deals will, and do, go down: “If player X is there at our pick we’ll trade you Y” or “We have this other thing we’re trying to do, if we get that deal done, we’ll trade you Z”

– If I’m trading Nuge, it’s only to the East in a Subban, Karlsson, Faulk deal. Would hate to see him going to a Western Conference playoff rival for the next 10 years. Not to mention I think that’s an overpay for Barrie, Vatanen and the other western options.

– Are we overstating Carolina’s need for a top C just a tad? They have Jordan Staal, Victor Rask is already a legit 2C and Lindholm (I know he’s played a lot of W). Mind you they haven’t had a ton of legit scoring wingers flanking those guys. I’m not saying they’d take Eberle or Pouliot for Faulk, I’m saying are we sure they’d really trade Faulk for Nuge?

– Agree with LT and others who say try like hell to fix the D without touching the F’s. They #4 pick in the immediate aftermath of the draft seemed like a crappy consolation prize, but let’s no understate it’s value, and that value only increases with every passing day leading up to the draft. When GM’s get on that floor and things start buzzing and ideas flying around, that pick is gonna look pretty damn attractive to someone.

Pescador

Shane:
Pescador,
I was not aware of this.
Can you or someone else elaborate on this? I could do my own research but this is the best Q&A Oilers blog in the world.
Are we talking picks or players who were drafted? Lindros & who else?

Quebec traded three 1OVs before Colorado won the cup.

bendelson

Магия 10,

Indeed.

I blame the Lowetide society.
The Lowetide society made me what I am.

JimmyV1965

Some random thoughts.
1. If we trade RNH we absolutely need someone to slot in as 2C, at least in the short term.
2. I’m growing increasingly worried about Draisaitl. If he’s hurt, why is he still playing hockey?
3. Can’t wait to see Canada absolutely crush Finland
4. My order of preference on RD is Faulk, Barrie, Vatanen. Guys like Demers and Sverson are fine, but not as the primary aquisition.
5 My order for moving out assets is 4th overall, 2017 first, Eberle, RNH.
6. I just can’t fathom why the Avs would move Barrie. They need dmen. When they traded O’Reilly, centre was a position of strength. If they do trade Barriie, we will have to include a dman and you just know they will be asking for Davidson .
7. If Canes move Faulk, they are tearing it down and doing a complete rebuild. Why else would they do it? The optics would be terrible. It would be like us trading Hall before we had McDavid. To me, that means hey want the 4th and they will want to unload Staal and his contract as well.
8. PC will make a deal out of left field that catches us all off guard.

N64

bendelson: Klefbom – Demers
Sekera – Vatanen
Davidson – Severson

The Vegas Vig will luv you for this.

N64

Woodguy: ZING!!!

~ You really missed that big dip from .918 to .917. Ya shoulda listened to G$. Happens to most new starters. ~

bendelson

Nice job looking at the D gang!

I love how the issue is blue-skied, then circled, players are identified, then narrowed, with options explored against numerous filters along the way… absolutely one of my favourite things about this site.

Klefbom – Demers
Sekera – Vatanen
Davidson – Severson

I have Demers at 5 x 5.25M
I have Vatanen for Pouliot +
I have Severson for Yak +

Is Vatanen a better option than Faulk or Barrie? No, but I do consider him a more available and likely a more affordable trade option.

Can Vatanen play top 4 minutes without leaking oil? I would suggest it matters less with Severson also in the mix.

Severson at less than 1M for two more years… a BIG part of this equation.

And a good day to you all…

stush18

kinger_OIL:
stush18,

– This is a nice forward thinking post.Becasue of Griff/Nurse/Davidson and development: I’ve been advocating getting 1 RHD, and another D vet for 2 years (not two new guys @ 5.5mm x6)

– Im not talking Ferrence or Nikitin vet either!

– If you could keep both Fayne and Gryba untill at least next trade deadline, you’ve got enough vets, enough RD and parts for the next big trade, while giving Griff Nurse the “Klef” treatment as you put it.

– We don’t need playoff D for September at all costs and doing stupid.But a way better D,blocking Griff/Nurse somewhat, and being set up for another trade at deadline: that’s about right.

Agreed, although I think we should move on from fayne. I am perfectly happy running with gryba and having Davidson in his spot.

stush18

Woodguy:
stush18,

That kinda defense (switch out the new righties for whoever), is going to cost roughly 23-25 million. Also that lineup blocks nurse and Reinhart from playing for two years.

The 7th Dman on a NHL routinely play more 5v5 TOI in a year than all bottom 6 forwards.

The 8th will play as much as regular 4th liners by the end of the year.

Injuries happen, Nurse and Grif won’t be blocked.

Sure. I’m for keeping gryba, and I personally think musil may be kept on as an 8th dman aka Davidson until fayne is dealt.

I think Reinhart starts on the team with nurse in the minors. Reinhart gets sent down like klefbom did for 10-15 games, and plays the rest of the year on the team.

"Steve Smith"

I decree that Steve Desroschers is to become this blog’s newest meme (that’s how memes, work, right?). Desroschers in goal and Klassen as a utility skater – those guys are the future of this team.