THE OILERS AND OVERAGERS (CHL)

With each passing year, overagers—players who have already been through a draft at least once but remain draft eligible—are selected in increasing numbers.

  • Brock Otten, OHL Prospects: North American players have either two or three years to get drafted, depending on their birth date. For those born from January 1 to September 15, they will go through three NHL drafts. For those born from September 16 to December 31, they will go through two NHL drafts. The players on this list are a mix of those having been passed over once or twice already. Source

A few things: I may have missed some players, could have slipped in some who are not eligible as overages. Please pass along any errors or omissions. This is important—for Edmonton, some overagers like Ziyat Paigin are among the top prospects in the system. For the league as a whole, in a year that is considered weak, we could see many of these names chosen. I will look at European options later, today it is the CHL.

OILERS AND OVERAGERS (CHL)

  • D Brandon Davidson, 2010. The Oilers got lucky on this fellow, who was delayed in starting his hockey career and then played at 20 in the WHL. May offer a template for developing defensemen who are chosen in the depths of the draft.
  • D Jordan Bendfeld, 2008. Drafted at 20 just a few days before the club could have signed him as a CHL free agent, he played 26 games in the AHL.

TOP OVERAGERS, 2016 DRAFT

  1. C Adam Brooks, Regina Pats (WHL). Brilliant offensive season. Substantial talent.
  2. C-R Dante Salituro, Ottawa 67s (OHL). Back for another lash, very skilled.
  3. F Brayden Burke, Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL). Impressive playmaker, undersized.
  4. C Brett McKenzie, North Bay Battalion (OHL). Impressive two-way C.
  5. C Reid Gardner, Prince Albert Raiders (WHL). Two-way C. A solid prospect.
  6. G Jeremy Helvig, Kingston Frontenacs (OHL) Outstanding numbers, big. Only 27GP. .929
  7. R Matt Luff, Hamilton Bulldogs (OHL). Big scoring W improved skating, spiked scoring.
  8. R Steve Harland, North Bay Battalion (OHL). Scored well , showed up in some interesting areas when digging through the numbers.
  9. D Stepan Falkovsky, Ottawa 67s (OHL). Actual giant (6.07, 224), monster shot.
  10. R Artyom Artyomov, Saginaw Spirit (OHL). Two-way scoring winger, has some size.
  11. L Jakob Stukel, Calgary Hitmen (WHL). Speedy W with skill. No buzz at all.
  12. C Nathan Noel, Saint John Sea Dogs (QMJHL). Wide range of skills, undersized.
  13. L James McEwen, Guelph Storm (OHL). Speedy skill winger.
  14. C Tyler Soy, Victoria Royals (WHL). Impressive offensive player. Improved skating enough?
  15. C Trent Fox, Hamilton Bulldogs (OHL). C with size (6.03) and skill.
  16. L Egor Babenko, Lethbridge Hurricanes. Undersized W, skill & aggression.
  17. G Connor Ingram, Kamloops Blazers (WHL). A .922SP this year, interesting prospect.
  18. C Mason Kohn, Kitchener Rangers (OHL). Effective two-way C.
  19. L Sam Laberge, Rimouski (QMJHL). NHL size and some skill. Second-year eligible.
  20. D Darren Raddysh, Erie Otters (OHL). Two-way D, Brock Otten likes him.
  21. L Ryan Graham, Saskatoon Blades (WHL). Good size, speed, has some skill. Turns 20 in May.
  22. C Aaron Luchuk, Windsor Spitfires (OHL). Undersized two-way C.
  23. C Mario Huber, Victoriaville Tigres (QMJHL). Has size and skill, played in Austria pro league.
  24. L Daniil Miromanov, Acadie-Bathurst (QMJHL). Big winger with some offense.
  25. G Rylan Toth, Red Deer Rebels (WHL). Big goalie, .912SP.
  26. C Cameron Hebig, Saskatoon Blades (WHL). Two-way C spiked offensively this year.
  27. D Garrett McFadden, Guelph Storm (OHL). Undersized puck moving D.
  28. L Jeffrey Truchon Viel, Acadie-Bathurstc (QMJHL). Skill winger.
  29. G Jordan Papirny, Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL). Consistent G, .910SP.
  30. L Kristian Pospisil, Blainville, Boisbriand Armada (QMJHL). Giant 25-goal scorer.
  31. C Manuel Wiederer, Moncton Wildcats (QMJHL). Under the radar two-way forward.
  32. G Matthew Mancina, Peterborough Petes (OHL). A .910SP, good prospect.
  33. C Ivan Nikolishin, Red Deer Rebels (WHL). Small, not fast, but high skill.
  34. L Matthew Highmore, Saint John Sea Dogs (QMJHL). Excellent skater, spiked this season.
  35. G Rylan Parenteau, Prince Albert Raiders (WHL). A .913SP, interesting style.
  36. D Colton Bobyk, Red Deer Rebels (WHL). Big two-way D. Tough, skilled.
  37. C Michael Carcone, Drummondville Voltigeurs (QMJHL). Impact scorer in Q.
  38. D Loik Leveille, Cape Breton Screaming Eagles (QMJHL). Two-way D, Oilers know him.
  39. R Zak Zborosky, Kootenay Ice (WHL). Spiked offensively, good speed and skill.
  40. D Santino Centorame, Owen Sound Attack (OHL). Offensive defender. Skilled.
  41. R Chad Butcher, Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL). Small winger with range of skills, good offense.
  42. L Wyatt Sloboshan, Saskatoon Blades (WHL). Skill winger.
  43. R Artur Tyanulin, Ottawa 67s (OHL). Small, skilled.
  44. D Mike Zipp, Calgary Hitmen (WHL). Mature two-way defender.
  45. D Joe Gatenby, Kelowna Rockets (WHL). Two-way D, good skater.
  46. C Cordell James, Barrie Colts (OHL). Two-way C.
  47. R Austin Glover, Prince Albert Raiders (WHL). Big two-way winger.
  48. C Matt Alfaro, Kootenay Ice (WHL) Tall two-way center.
  49. G Nick McBride, Prince George Cougars (WHL). Big goalie, .904 SP.
  50. C Johnny Corniel, Niagara IceDogs (OHL). Aggressive two-way C.
  51. L Braylon Shmyr, Saskatoon Blades (WHL). Undersized winger with skill, grit.
  52. L Samuel Laberge, Rimouski Oceanic (QMJHL). Big winger with some skill.
  53. R Lane Pederson, Swift Current Broncos (WHL). Scored 20 goals, has skill.
  54. L Tyler Coulter, Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL). Smart complementary winger.
  55. L Kevin Klima, Moncton Wildcats (QMJHL). Small and skilled.
  56. L Evan Polei, Red Deer Rebels (WHL). Giant winger with some skill.

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36 Responses to "THE OILERS AND OVERAGERS (CHL)"

  1. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    I believe Egor Babenko is an overage as well. Didn’t think so at first because it’s his first year in the WHL, but I believe he qualifies.

  2. Lowetide says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!:
    I believe Egor Babenko is an overage as well. Didn’t think so at first because it’s his first year in the WHL, but I believe he qualifies.

    Right you are! It is a needle in a haystack, I swear!

  3. Centre of attention says:

    I think the Oilers should take a flyer on Soy. From what I’ve seen the kid competes hard for his size and has some offensive flair. Had chem with Chase in Victoria, maybe they rekindle that in Bakersfield?

    I know, I know. Another damned left wing. Anyone know how much he played center this year? Last I read he was playing both in Victoria.

    Interesting cat for sure, and there are others. I would take a look at Jordan Papirny too, if he was 4 inches taller. That’s probably all that is holding him back.

  4. Gret99zky says:

    OT: Fantastic documentary on Netflix: Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers: Runnin’ Down a Dream. Nearly 4hrs long. Check it out when the rain comes this weekend. It’s Gold, Jerry.

  5. HugThePost says:

    is Kevin Klima the sone of the fabled Petr?

  6. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    The last thread had some interesting discussion regarding compensation for Chia, as well as offer sheeting.

    Last year, the Oilers gave up the 86th overall for Todd McLellan. So I’m assuming that the 2nd round compensation for Chia to the Bruins would not have to be the Oiler’s actual 2nd round pick; the Oilers just have to give up any 2nd round pick, right?

    If so, why doesn’t Chia make the following moves at the 2016 draft:
    (1) Trade 32nd overall –> mid-2nd round pick (~ 40) + high-to-mid 3rd round pick (~ 70th)
    (2) Trade 40th overall –> low-2nd round pick (~ 58) + low-3rd round pick (~ 88th)
    (3) Make eye contact with Sweeney and flip him the bird
    (4) Trade 58th overall –> 60th overall + 180th overall
    (5) Give the Bruins the 60th overall, thereby fulfilling the payment necessary for the Oilers to hire a GM that the Bruins let go over the year prior. Oilers keep 2x 3rd round picks and a 6th.

    While Chia is clearly a pro and wouldn’t do #3 (though KLowe may have back in the day *grin*), would moves 1, 2, 4, and 5 be permissible?

  7. Quinlan says:

    Drafting overagers just makes so much sense.

    Take a guy in the late rounds who you hope blossoms in his draft +1?

    Or take a guy in the late rounds who already has blossomed in his draft +1?

    Seems like grabbing a bunch of 5ths, 6ths, and 7ths could be a way to turn around your prospect pool in a hurry.

  8. Lowetide says:

    Heat: It is either Edmonton’s second round pick (2016 or 2017) or a deal the two teams agree on as compensation. Our backpacker friend did a marvelous job of stating the case in the last thread, suspect Edmonton will pay in full.

  9. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    Lowetide:
    Heat: It is either Edmonton’s second round pick (2016 or 2017) or a deal the two teams agree on as compensation. Our backpacker friend did a marvelous job of stating the case in the last thread, suspect Edmonton will pay in full.

    Thanks for the clarification… I’ll go back and re-read the last thread more thoroughly.

  10. Lowetide says:

    HeatTreaterJoe: Thanks for the clarification… I’ll go back and re-read the last thread more thoroughly.

    No worries, it is a confusing situation.

  11. Water Fire says:

    Quinlan:
    Drafting overagers just makes so much sense.

    Take a guy in the late rounds who you hope blossoms in his draft +1?

    Or take a guy in the late rounds who already has blossomed in his draft +1?

    Seems like grabbing a bunch of 5ths, 6ths, and 7ths could be a way to turn around your prospect pool in a hurry.

    I get your idea, but even at those ages there is enough difference that elite players are found straight out of the draft, and by far more in the first round, or you could say those kids felt overall to be the best 30 players in the world.

    Certainly good players can be found not drafted or older but they are more likely going to be average or role players.

    Basically elite athletes are elite at every level. That is what makes them elite you could say. Elite players become functional in the NHL immediately, but not perfect.

    Connor had less than half a season and NHL players are already saying he’s top shelf. That is not normal, for example.

    WOOT!

  12. Max Powers says:

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/how-south-korea-added-nine-hockey-ringers-for-the-2018-olympics/article30055116/

    Not trying to hijack but In case anyone was wondering what Alex plante has been up to. Interesting article. Also mentions of another former oiler defensive prospect Bryan young.

  13. Quinlan says:

    Water Fire,

    Right, but what if the Tyler Vesel, Evan Campbell, Aidan Muir picks are used in this slot? They’re basically crap shoot selections with the hope that they really take off in draft +1. Well, why not remove the doubt and draft the older player?

    Besides, there are numerous examples of players who weren’t seen as elite in junior who developed into elite NHLers down the road. Tampa Bay has built a core out of them.

  14. Gordies Elbow says:

    Count me as a fan of Erie’s Darren Raddysh (and his brother, Taylor, the winger who should go pretty early in the upcoming draft.)

    Darren scored 66gp – 8g – 32a – 40pts – 80PIM, 6’0″ 192lb as a RHD. Went 60gp – 14g – 34a – 48pts last year (although it was easier last year, just because.) Assistant captain this year.

    Smaller, some positioning issues, but that said, he would be a good mid-to-late-pick. Taylor might be a good pick at 32 (big, right shooting right winger.)

  15. Doug McLachlan says:

    Ok LT, tell me more about Stepan Falikovsky. Hockey DB lists this past season with the 67’s as his first. Did he ever play for Belarus? At 6’7″ it seems hard to believe nobody noticed him before.

  16. Lowetide says:

    Doug McLachlan:
    Ok LT, tell me more about Stepan Falikovsky.Hockey DB lists this past season with the 67’s as his first.Did he ever play for Belarus?At 6’7″ it seems hard to believe nobody noticed him before.

    He played, but at lower levels before this season. A really interesting prospect
    http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=248808

  17. elgruntus says:

    HugThePost:
    is Kevin Klima the sone of the fabled Petr?

    Is Braylon Shmyr son of former Kaptain, Paul ?

  18. AsiaOil says:

    The Nurse/Reinhart posts got me thinking. I really believe people forget just how desperate a situation Chia faced wrt the defense when he took over at the end of April last year. Here is how we ended the season;

    LHD: Ference, Nikitin, Klefbom, Marincin, Davidson, Musil, Nurse (rookie)
    RHD: Fayne, Shultz

    Good god that’s horrible. On the left side Ference and Nikitin were done and everyone knew it. Marincin was in the dog house and Davidson and Musil were both AHL guys with uncertain futures and no NHL experience. On the right side Fayne proved to be a 3rd pair guy (rather than the expected 2nd pair) and Shultz was a clear dumpster-fire of of a defensman. Plus they traded away their only legitimate top 4 NHL defender (Petry) a couple of months earlier for low-grade magic beans. I’m still astounded MacT suggested that he was comfortable going into 2015-16 with that mess.

    So after spending the first month signing a coach and getting sorted out – he’s got 4 weeks before the draft to to try do something about the defense – and also goaltending since the Scrivens/Fasth experiment was an unmitigated disaster. Chia was sitting on June 1 with Klef who could be reasonably slotted into the #2/#3 LHD slot – and another guy (Marincin) who could probably handle #3/#4 LHD but was in the orgs doghouse. Everyone else was washed up, a rookie or a totally unproven AHL player. The right side was even worse with Julz and the disappointing Fayne who would both be 3rd pair RHD on any decent team.

    We know Chia was in on Hamilton and actually offered more but BOS was happy to screw themselves and accept a lesser offer. In hindsight it would have been a disaster as Hamilton would have been fed to the wolves and looked even worse in EDM. No other defensemen of note were moved at the draft, training camp, or the rest of the calendar year. After Chia struck out getting Hamilton – he went for Plan B. This involved acquiring Reinhart and trading Marincin for Gryba in what was effectively a 3 way deal with OTT and TOR to make room on the left side for Reinhart and get another RHD since we only had 2 in the entire system. After the draft he signed the best available UFA in Sekera.

    No other notable defensemen were moved until after New Year when Seth Jones was traded (Chia offered RNH but NAS went for Johansen instead) and the same lack of defenseman movement persisted through the trade deadline. It seems pretty clear to me that no one is trading any decent defensmen unless you part with a substantial asset and over-pay. The exception being BOS who was in the midst of a major bit of crazy at the draft. Would Chia have acquired GR if he knew that Klef could handle top pair, Davidson was ready, and he could sign Sekera – probably no – but none of that was known at the draft and the NYI trade was also probably the best and maybe only deal out there.

    What to do going forward – make a couple of big trades and sign Demers to Nikitin money ($4.5 million) but without no trade/movement clauses. The trades will be controversial as obtianing defenseman is expensive – but here we go:

    Trade #1 – RNH for Ryan Ellis and Craig Smith. Nashville gets a perfect 1B to replace the aging Fisher/Ribeiro behind Johansen. EDM gets a #2RHD with some offense and great possession numbers – plus a consistent top 10 possession RH RW who goals scoring is only slightly behind Ebs and is a far superior defensive player.

    Trade #2: Eberle (RW) and Reinhart for Severson (RHD) and #11 draft pick plus a shyte-ton of cap room. NJD is a mess and they have no players let alone offensive players. Severson is ready to make a big jump and has offensive upside. This trade will cause an uproar but small one dimensional wingers with boxcars pumped by PP time are worth less than imagined. Gives us all of Ebs salary to sign Eriksson/Demers to add to Severson.

    Trade #3 – Yak (RW) for Vlad Namestnikov (C). TBL likes Russians and will probably be able to rehab Yak. They might need him if/when they trade Drouin. I like the Vlad – killer ES corsi number this year and budding offense – plus his dad played for the Dys and his uncle is Kozlov. An under the radar move. RFA but 23 and ready to contribute now.

    UFA signings: Demers (RHD) and Erikson (RW)

    Hall CMD Smith
    Pouliot Drai Eriksson
    Maroon Namestnikov Kassian
    Hendricks Testube Lander

    Klef Demers
    Sekera Ellis
    Davidson Nurse Severson

    Talbot/UFA

    Goals for will increase modestly – goals against will plummet. Blue-sky? Absolutely. But wanted to come up with something a little more out of the box instead of talking about the same old thing every day. Sorry for the essay.

  19. Water Fire says:

    Quinlan:
    Water Fire,

    Right, but what if the Tyler Vesel, Evan Campbell, Aidan Muir picks are used in this slot? They’re basically crap shoot selections with the hope that they really take off in draft +1. Well, why not remove the doubt and draft the older player?

    Besides, there are numerous examples of players who weren’t seen as elite in junior who developed into elite NHLers down the road. Tampa Bay has built a core out of them.

    I think it all depends upon what you call elite players and what are good players that have a strong spell or a few seasons and get remembered as elite.

    Elite players top the league over the majority of their careers.

    Tampa has Stamkos and Hedman.

  20. Ice Sage says:

    HugThePost:
    is Kevin Klima the sone of the fabled Petr?

    Are you vowel-compensating there?

  21. dustrock says:

    Want Givani Smith with our 3rd or 4th. Definitely seems like a Chiarelli player.

  22. Richard S.S. says:

    General Fanager site
    http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/edmonton-oilers
    has Edmonton’s 2017 2nd being traded to Boston. Admittedly it’s Edmonton’s choice.

  23. kinger_OIL says:

    AsiaOil,

    – Great recap of the gong show Chia inherited, and summary of what he did given the situation

    – Untill/if MacT Howson are gone, Chia is stuck in the same bad spot he was with Neely in BOS

  24. slopitch says:

    Asiaoil that is a good reminder how bad the D was when chai took over. He did an ok job but has done nothing to address the top pair. That may come internally (for most teams it does) but I do think some out of the box thinking will be required to find a solution.

  25. Lowetide says:

    elgruntus: Is Braylon Shmyr son of former Kaptain, Paul ?

    I had a look, couldn’t find anything. It is an unusual name, so probably a connection somewhere. That said, Elite Prospects is outstanding at tying together those things, and thereis nothing about Paul in there.

    http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=107899

    Paul Shymr would have been 51 when Braylon Shmyr was born, so that might tell us (although he could be a grand son). Paul Shmyr died in 2004 btw, at age 58.

  26. Lowetide says:

    slopitch:
    Asiaoil that is a good reminder how bad the D was when chai took over. He did an ok job but has done nothing to address the top pair. That may come internally (for most teams it does) but I do think some out of the box thinking will be required to find a solution.

    Sekera was a terrific addition. If MacT had merely kept Jeff Petry Edmonton would have had a far better depth chart once Sekera was hired. I said at the time, and still believe, the club should have bought out Nikita Nikitin and cast about for additional help. That said, PC kept his powder dry and has more room to rumba this summer because of it.

  27. AsiaOil says:

    slopitch,

    kinger_OIL,

    Lowetide,

    I’m not sure any deals were actually out there for Nikitin’s dollars. Only a couple of young potential top pair dman were moved – no one established. No one wants to give up the established puck moving minute munchers. I’m actually coming around to the idea of paying Demers if he’s free as long as he doesn’t get a NTC/NMC that screws us at the expansion draft. I’d bet any team with four decent dman protects them all and exposes mid-range forwards of which there will be tons available. We have to be careful and not try fix it all in one summer. As long as we pick up two decent RHD via trade or UFA we will make progress. Getting the elite top pair guy will either happen internally or out of the blue since you can’t plan when that guy becomes available.

  28. Jaxon says:

    LOIK!!!

  29. HiddenDarts says:

    AsiaOil,

    Don’t be sorry! Loved the “essay”. Solid, solid ideas, although trading the Nuge still hurts pretty badly. Gotta give to get, I know.

  30. StixMalone says:

    AsiaOil,

    Absolutely spot on! Chia had very little time (prior to draft) to get an overhaul done to this mess he inherited. After year one I think he knows what needs to get done. Some won’t be happy others will though……….

  31. OF17 says:

    Asiaoil,

    Only thing I object to is if we’re blowing up the forwards, we better be getting a dominant defense in return. Klefbom-Demers Sekera-Ellis is quite good, but it’s not dominant. Those moves leave us with forwards that are good but nothing special, a defense that is good but nothing special, and a team that, well…

    Don’t get me wrong, it’s a very nice defense, but if the difference in acquisition cost between Klefbom-Demers Sekera-Ellis and Klefbom-Demers Sekera-Barrie is Nuge, I’m not interested.

  32. rickithebear says:

    StixMalone:
    AsiaOil,

    Absolutely spot on! Chia had very little time (prior to draft) to get an overhaul done to this mess he inherited. After year one I think he knows what needs to get done. Some won’t be happy others will though……….

    Tambo’s assets;
    MacT’s assets;
    Mact arranged PC had to say yes or no to!

    Hall-Draisatl- Purcell
    Pouliot-RNH-Eberle
    XXX – Mcdavid – Yakupov
    Hendricks – Gordon – Lander
    Khaira – Pakarinen

    Klefbom – Fayne
    XXX-Marincin
    Davidson – J. Schultz
    Nurse – Oesterle

    Talbot
    Brossoit

    PC’s Acquired Players compared to oilers base roster.
    minimum 15 GM
    injured EBS 13gm -11; -.846/gm
    Yakupov 60gm -16; -.267
    Letestu 82gm -21; -.256/gm
    Korpikoski 71gm -17; -.239/gm
    Reinhart 29gm -9; -.207/gm
    Gazdic 29gm -9; -.207/gm
    Kassian 36gm -7; -.194/gm
    Nurse 69gm -13; -.188/gm
    Sekera (1st comp) 81gm -15; -.185/gm
    RNH(1st) 55gm -9; -.164/gm
    Pakarinen 63gm -10; -.159/gm
    Lander 61gm -9; -.148/gm
    ————————————– 5 of the bottom 8 F………………. Brutal adds.
    Khaira 15gm -3; -.133/gm
    Klefbom (1st) 30gm -4; -.133/gm
    ————————————
    Pouliot 55gm -6; -.109/gm
    Fayne (1st) 69gm -6; -.087/gm
    ————————————-
    Hall (1st) 82gm -4; -.049/gm
    Healthy EBS (1st) 56gm -2; -.036/gm
    Draisatl (1st) 72gm -2; -.028/gm
    Mcdavid 45gm -1; -.022/gm
    ————————————-
    Gryba 53gm .000; Even
    Hendricks 68gm +2; +.029/gm top 20 PK FWD; top 20 FO Fwd
    Oesterle 17gm +1; +.059/gm top 15 EVP/60 D
    Davidson 51gm +7; +.137/gm
    Clandenning 20gm +3; +.150/gm
    Maroon 16gm +6; +.375/gm

  33. rickithebear says:

    Nurse an AHL caliber D played 3rd comp In NHL. and was the 2nd worst Def D in the game.
    Demers a career 3rd comp d with avg Def D results is suppose to play 1st comp.

    Am I the only one looking at that and thinking that is as moronic as current mgmt’s usage of Nurse!

  34. rickithebear says:

    Gret99zky:
    OT:Fantastic documentary on Netflix: Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers: Runnin’ Down a Dream. Nearly 4hrs long. Check it out when the rain comes this weekend.It’s Gold, Jerry.

    I like the red army Documentary by polsky I watched last night.
    Perspective on Scotty Bowman the hockey genius!

  35. Bruce McCurdy says:

    rickithebear: I like the red army Documentary by polsky I watched last night.
    Perspective on Scotty Bowman the hockey genius!

    Red Army is a terrific film. Recommended to anyone who loves hockey.

  36. maxwell_mischief says:

    Im for the Oilers drafting Trent Fox
    he can join ethan Bear
    and the Oilers can move forward with as many woodland creatures as possible
    #bringbackwaceyrabbit

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