2016’S GREATEST HITS

The Edmonton Oilers currently own five selections in the top 100 for this year’s draft. That is important, because last year the club had one, and the year before only two picks. So, in the last two drafts, where the average lottery team would have eight picks in the top 100 overall (four per season), Edmonton has posted only three.

Or is that the wrong way to look at it? Should Peter Chiarelli spend picks like he did last year, when acquiring Griffin Reinhart, Cam Talbot and Eric Gryba? Let’s have a look at the 2016 list.

Notes: Brock Otten’s wonderful OHL Prospects blog has been an invaluable guide as always. I have also referenced Cody Nickolet’s WHL From Above even though it has been dark for a year. Steve Kournianos is referenced here and of course my friend Kirk Luedeke is liberally sprinkled in these words. Swedish Poster has been outstanding in his verbal over these weeks. Corey Pronman, Bob McKenzie and Craig Button are also valued in these rankings.

I have also been recently aided by Adam Sherren, who is a contributor to our group. He views the QMJHL each season and had insight that is quoted (if not credited) throughout the list below. He sent me lots of notes, have had time to sift through about half, but his input is reflected below and I thank him.

THE 130 BEST PLAYERS IN THE 2016 DRAFT

  1. (1) C Auston Matthews, Zurich Lions (Swiss-A): 9gp, 3-6-9 at WHC.
  2. (2) W Patrik Laine, Tappara (Sm-Liiga): 9gp, 7-5-12 at WHC.
  3. (3) R Jesse Puljujarvi, Karpat (Sm-Liiga): Wide range of skills. Big & fast.
  4. (4) C Pierre-Luc Dubois, Cape Breton (QMJHL): Compared to James Neal.
  5. (5)  L Matthew Tkachuk, London Knights (OHL): The new Ryan Smyth?
  6. (6) LD Mikhail Sergachev, Windsor Spitfires (OHL): Brilliant skater, terrific skill.
  7. (8) C Clayton Keller, USNDTP (USHL): Elite skill level. He may be drafted top five.
  8. (7) LD Olli Juolevi, London Knights (OHL): 1gp, 0-2-2 at Memorial Cup.
  9. (9) LD Jakob Chychrun, Sarnia Sting (OHL): Great skater, great potential.
  10. (10) RD Dante Fabbro, Penticton (BCJHL): Impressive two-way D. Great passer.
  11. (15) R Alexander Nylander, Mississauga (OHL): Soft hands, brilliant, good speed.
  12. (11) L Tyson Jost, Penticton (BCJHL). Great skater, creative offensive player.
  13. (13) RD Charlie McAvoy, Boston University (NCAA). Complete D, good speed.
  14. (17) C Logan Brown, Windsor Spitfires (OHL): Range of skills, good skater. Giant.
  15. (12) R Alex DeBrincat, Erie Otters (OHL): Small sniper. Fast, underrated.
  16. (14) LD Jake Bean, Calgary Hitmen (WHL): Smart two-way D.
  17. (16) C Luke Kunin, Wisconsin (NCAA): Luedeke: has skating & shot of prolific scorer.
  18. (22) C German Rubtsov, Team Russia (MHL). Fine two-way center.
  19. (18) R Vitalii Abramov, Gatineau Olympiques (QMJHL). Explosive scorer. Dynamic.
  20. (19) C Michael McLeod, Mississauga Steelheads (OHL): Playmaking PF, great skater. Gritty.
  21. (21) C Pascal Laberge, Victoriaville Tigres (QMJHL). Skill, size, consistency an issue.
  22. (20) L Kieffer Bellows, USNDTP (USHL). Scoring forward, skating a concern.
  23. (24) G Carter Hart, Everett Silvertips (WHL): .929 in playoffs.
  24. (25) L Adam Mascherin, Kitchener Rangers (OHL): Undersized scoring W. Bona fide.
  25. (28) C Rasmus Asplund, Farjestads (SHL). He is 6.0, 180 and quality two-way forward.
  26. (30) R Julien Gauthier, Val D’Or Foreurs (QMJHL): Great hands, average speed.
  27. (29) LD Lucas Johansen, Kelowna Rockets (WHL).  Two-way D, good mobility.
  28. (31) C-R Nathan Bastian, Mississauga Steelheads (OHL): Big skill F with smarts.
  29. (27) C Janne Kuokkanen, Karpat (Fin Jr). Skilled C, good speed. Playmaker.
  30. (33) C Will Bitten, Flint Firebireds (OHL): Fast skater, scoring playmaker. Intriguing.
  31. (26) R Taylor Raddysh, Erie Otters (OHL). Power winger who can score.
  32. (37) L Max Jones, London Knights (OHL). Otten calls him a throwback PF.
  33. (41) LD Cam Dineen, North Bay (OHL): Kournianos: Dineen is a high-end puck mover.
  34. (23) C Tage Thompson, Connecticut Huskies (NCAA). Legit skill player. Skating a concern.
  35. (32) G Tyler Parsons, London Knights (OHL). He looks substantial based on numbers. .921
  36. (35) LD Kale Clague, Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL). Fast offensive defenseman.
  37. (36) R Maxime Fortier, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL). Speed and skill.
  38. (34) L Tyler Benson, Vancouver Giants (WHL). Physical two-way forward. Injured a lot.
  39. (38) L Vladimir Kuznetsov, Acadie-Bathurst Titan (QMJHL): Big, strong and skilled.
  40. (40) L Jonathan Dahlen, Timra (Allsvenskan). Ulf’s boy, slick and brilliant.
  41. (42) C Dillon Dube, Kelowna Rockets (WHL): Speedy scorer, range of skills.
  42. (44) LD Samuel Girard, Shawinigian (QMJHL). The new M-A Bergeron.
  43. (43) G Filip Gustavsson, Lulea (SHL): Big G with a .910 SHL SP. Impressive.
  44. (45) C Sam Steel, Regina Pats (WHL). I call him lesser Eberle. Confusing season.
  45. (39) L Kyle Maksimovich, Erie Otters (OHL). Small, very skilled player.
  46. (51) LD Victor Mete, London Knights (OHL). Great skater, impressive offense.
  47. (46) R Matthew Phillips, Victoria Royals (WHL). Tiny, brilliant offensive winger.
  48. (47) L Riley Tufte, Fargo Force (USHL). Big W, buzz on this guy is pretty massive.
  49. (48) R Jordan Kyrou, Sarnia Sting (OHL). Skilled winger, creative.
  50. (49) R Yegor Korshkov, Yaroslavl (KHL). Brilliant WJs, big and skilled winger.
  51. (76) G Veini Vehvilainen, JYP (Fin 2). 26GP, 2.04 .925. Re-entry.
  52. (50) C Brett Howden, Moose Jaw (WHL). Good skater, skill center. Solid prospect.
  53. (52) C Noah Gregor, Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL). Two-way C, aggressive.
  54. (53) L Cameron Morrison, Youngstown (USHL). Skill winger, fine skater, shooter.
  55. (56) C Dmitri Sokolov, Sudbury Wolves (OHL). Big F, strong, aggressive. Solid offense.
  56. (57) L Boris Katchouk, SSM (OHL). Rugged, throwback W with skill.
  57. (58) C Adam Brooks, Regina Pats (WHL). Brilliant offensive season. Substantial talent.
  58. (55) RD Frederic Allard, Chicoutimi Sagueneens (QMJHL). Two-way D, impressive offense.
  59. (59) RD Filip Berglund, Skelleftea AIK (SEL). Intriguing offense, may take awhile.
  60. (64) RD Adam Fox, US National Team (USHL). Creative, intelligent, good skater. 5.10, 183.
  61. (60) C Tyler Steenbergen, Swift Current Broncos (WHL). Spiked in-season.
  62. (65) RD Filip Hronek, HK Hradec Kralove (Cze). Smart undersized skill D.
  63. (54) LD Dennis Cholowski, Chilliwack Chiefs (BCJHL). Smooth skater, smart blue.
  64. (61) L Carl Grundstrom, MoDo (SHL): Speedy two-way winger.
  65. (71) L Artur Kayumov, Team Russia (MHL). Fast, skilled, great shot. One dimensional.
  66. (62) C Brandon Gignac, Shawinigan (QMJHL). Skill C, nice numbers.
  67. (66) C Linus Lindstrom, Skelleftea (SuperElite). Swede with two-way skills.
  68. (63) L Simon Stransky, Prince Albert Raiders (WHL). Small skill winger.
  69. (68) L Matthew Boucher, Quebec Remparts (QMJHL). Small, speed, skill.
  70. (69) L Mitchell Mattson, Grand Rapids (USHS). Tall forward with speed and skill. PF?
  71. (78) L Givani Smith, Guelph Storm (OHL). Big, strong PF. Fine player on struggling team.
  72. (67) C Jonathan Ang, Peterborough Petes (OHL). Quick, skilled, chaotic.
  73. (70) C Otto Somppi, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL). Big C, has skill.
  74. (80) RD David Quenneville, Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL). Small, very skilled. I like him.
  75. (72) LW Sebastian Repo, Pelicans (Sm-Liiga). Nice range of skills. Underrated.
  76. (114) C Oskar Steen, Farjestads (SuperElite). Small F with skill, impressive offense.
  77. (73) L Matt Filipe, Cedar Rapids (USHL). 6.02, 200 and skilled.
  78. (74) C Kasper Bjorkqvist, Blues U20 (Jr. SML). He sure scores goals a lot.
  79. (75) LD Stepan Falkovsky, Ottawa 67s (OHL). Actual giant (6.07, 224), monster shot.
  80. (82) F Brayden Burke, Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL). Impressive playmaker, undersized.
  81. (103) LD Yegor Rykov, St. Petersburg (MHL). Two-way D, good passer, intelligent. Can skate.
  82. (77) C Henrik Borgstrom, HIFK U20 (Jr. SML). Tall thin C with skill, plus shot. Heading to U. of Denver.
  83. (79) C Alan Lyszczarczyk, Sudbury Wolves (OHL). Two-way C with PP numbers.
  84. (81) R Wade Allison, Tri-City Storm (USHL). Size, skill, spiked in final CS ranking.
  85. (100) R Egor Babenko, Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL). Math puts him here. Small, very skilled.
  86. (88) R Joey Anderson, US National Team (USHL). Very skilled, average size and speed.
  87. (97) RD Andrew Peeke, Green Bay Gamblers (USHL). Big, mobile D, plus shot.
  88. (92) RC Dylan Gambrell, U of Denver (NCAA). Fast, skilled, brilliant.
  89. (83) G Jeremy Helvig, Kingston Frontenacs (OHL). Numbers are solid.
  90. (NR) C-R Dante Salituro, Ottawa 67s (OHL). Back for another lash, very skilled.
  91. (84) C William Bower, Moncton Wildcats (QMJHL). Undersized C.
  92. (85) C Ondrej Najman, HC Dukla Jihlava (Czech). He is posting some impressive boxcars.
  93. (86) LD Cole Candella, Hamilton Bulldogs (OHL). Solid two-way D, injury hurt his numbers.
  94. (91) LD Lucas Carlsson, Brynas (SHL). Two-way defenseman, eligible last year.
  95. (87) LD Jacob Moverare, HV71 (SuperElite). Two-way D, strong, mobile.
  96. (89) W Tim Gettinger, SSM (OHL). He is a 6.06 winger. Itch will be scratched.
  97. (111) LD Sebastian Aho, Skelleftea (SHL). Undersized, puck moving D.
  98. (96) R Jesper Bratt, AIK (Allsvenskan). Very small, very skilled. Fast buzzsaw.
  99. (90) C Tanner Laczynski, Lincoln Stars (USHL). A solid offensive player.
  100. (117) LD Chad Krys, US National Team (USHL). Two-way D, creative with the puck.
  101. (93) L Jakob Stukel, Calgary Hitmen (WHL). Speedy W with skill. No buzz at all.
  102. (94) LD Markus Niemelainen, Saginaw Spirit (OHL). Giant defender, mobile, some offense.
  103. (NR) C Reid Gardner, Prince Albert Raiders (WHL). Two-way C. A solid prospect.
  104. (95) G Daniel Marmenlind, Orebro (SuperElite). Strong numbers (.920)
  105. (107) C Aapeli Rasanen, Tappara U20 (Jr. SML). A fine prospect, good size and skill.
  106. (98) G Zack Sawchenko, Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL). A .916SP is rock solid. Great glove.
  107. (109) LD Sean Day, Mississauga (OHL). Mobile two-way D.
  108. (99) L Brandon Hagel, Red Deer Rebels (WHL). Skill W, undersized.
  109. (101) C Brett McKenzie, North Bay (OHL). Smart checking center.
  110. (122) C Cliff Pu, London Knights (OHL). 16gp, 7-5-12 in playoffs.
  111. (NR) R Cameron Askew, Moncton Wildcats (QMJHL). Big, bruising F with skill (Sherren).
  112. (102) G Evan Fitzpatrick, Sherbrooke Phoenix (QMJHL). No. 1 ranked NA goalie by CSB.  .896
  113. (104) G Niilo Halonen, Jokerit U20 (Jr. SML). Phenomenal numbers.
  114. (105) RW Matt Luff, Hamilton (OHL). Throwback W with size and skill.
  115. (106) LD Libor Hajek, Saskatoon Blades. Big (6.02, 185) Big, strong and mobile.
  116. (108) L Roman Krikunenko, Yaroslav (MHL). Scored 32 points in 35 games.
  117. (110) LD Max Lajoie, Swift Current Broncos. Fine skater, smart player.
  118. (NR) R Steve Harland, North Bay Battalion (OHL). Scored well , showed up in some interesting areas when digging through the numbers.
  119. (112) C Otto Makinen, Tappara U20 (Jr. SML). Tall C with two way skills, could spike at the draft.
  120. (NR) G Julio Billia, Chicoutimi (QMJHL). Sherren: undersized but consistent. .919SP.
  121. (NR) LD Logan Stanley, Windsor Spitfires (OHL). Giant defensive defender, excellent skater.
  122. (113) C Trent Frederic, US National Team (USHL). Two-way C with size.
  123. (115) C Andrei Svetlakov, CSKA (KHL). Skilled, gritty forward. Might be a good target.
  124. (116) LD David Bernhardt, Djurgardens (SuperElite). Puck mover with speed.
  125. (118) C Cameron Hebig, Saskatoon Blades (WHL). Two-way C, overager.
  126. (119) L Mikko Juusola, Kalpa (Jr. SML). Speed winger with skill.
  127. (120) RD Chase Priskie, Quinnipiac (NCAA). Puck-moving defender.
  128. (NR) C Nathan Noel, Saint John Sea Dogs (QMJHL). Wide range of skills, undersized.
  129. (123) RD Jake Ryczek, Waterloo Blackhawks (USHL). Appears to be a spark offensively.
  130. (124) C Rem Pitlick, Muskegon Lumberjacks (USHL). Small and very skilled C. Cousin of Tyler.

OILERS MOCK DRAFT

  • No. 4 overall—C Pierre-Luc Dubois, Cape Breton (QMJHL). The closer we get to the draft, the more certain I am this fellow will be the BPA. That said, there are six men all in a row and it might come down to personal preference. Dubois had 83 primary points in 62gp, 66 primary points for Tkachuk in 57gp.
  • No. 32 overall—C-R Nathan Bastian, Mississauga Steelheads (OHL): Brock Otten: He’s 6’4, 210lbs and can play any forward position, providing a lot of versatility to a lineup. He’s also a great two-way player and a physical asset who is especially effective at using his body to gain possession in the offensive end. Source
  • No. 62 overall—RD Filip Hronek, HK Hradec Kralove (Cze). In reading about many of the RHD puck movers this season, speed seems to be all over the place. This young man has the boots.
  • No. 85 overall (Florida pick)—RD Filip Berglund, Skelleftea AIK (SuperElite). I think the Oilers could get him here, maybe later. Swedish Poster: He’s a big kid at 6’3 and already past 200 pounds. He’s an overager. His draft year was sort of a comeback year after missing a lot of time the previous two seasons due to a broken arm or maybe it was a leg. This year he was up to speed and delivered one hell of a season offensively nearly hitting PPG. As is usually the case with productive D the majority of the points came on the PP where his big shot from the blue line was full value. He scored at nearly a goal per game and a lot was due to his great shot. He got better and better as the season rolled along, one thing I like to look at for guys in swedish juniors is how they produce in the Superelit top 10 part of the season, what that means is after christmas the top 5 teams of the northern and southern divisions are put together into one 10 team league where they play for the playoff spots. It’s interesting because the level of play goes up and there are fewer teams to pad your stats against. In that segment of the year he scored 1.31 PPG over 16 games. For a D that’s pretty amazing. Small sample obviously but combined with his overall scoring the whole year it paints a very flattering picture offensively. Source
  • No. 87 overall (Pittsburgh pick)—RC Dylan Gambrell, U of Denver (NCAA). Mark Scheig, The Hockey Writers: He’s a very smart player who is effective in all three zones. His skating was already good coming into the year. Where he made vast improvement is his play with the puck. He makes better decisions now such as when to drive the net or when to make a pass. He’s a tireless worker who strives to get better everyday. Source
  • No. 122 overall—L Kyle Maksimovich, Erie Otters (OHL). Brock Otten: Maksimovich reminds me a lot of Andrew Mangiapane in his original NHL draft year (when everyone was shocked he didn’t get selected). His best asset, IMO, is his hockey sense in the offensive end. Just seems to always make the smart play, with or without the puck and he’s got great positioning and anticipation. Source
  • No. 148 overall (St. Louis pick)—R Steve Harland, North Bay Battalion (OHL). I know he is undersized and clearly this is not a famous player, but Harland was very impressive in his OHL time this year. 
  • No. 152 overall—L Hudson Elyniuk, Spokane Chiefs (WHL). He is 6.05, 200 and has skill. This is the kind of player I expect Peter Chiarelli will draft many times in the later rounds while he is in Edmonton.
  • No. 182 overall—C Dante Hannoun, Victoria Royals (WHL). The Oilers will never draft him (5.05), but he is an August 1998 and posted 58 points in 71 games. He can play.

Back to the original question: Should Peter Chiarelli re-stock the shelves, or should he (as was the case last year) deal picks for actual players? I have always argued that dealing picks for players is a good idea—especially in the second round and below. That said, it got the Calgary Flames in a lot of trouble when Darryl Sutter did it over many years (Flames dealt their 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007 second-round picks).

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103 Responses to "2016’S GREATEST HITS"

  1. square_wheels says:

    Of course an unbiased list features a BCJHL player in our 3rd spot !

  2. Mr DeBakey says:

    No. 182 overall—C Dante Hannoun, Victoria Royals (WHL).

    Its hilarious. The last thing I did before opening your post was slide Hannoun into the 182 spot on my list.

    Where is
    Luke Green * D * R * 6’1 * 186 * Saint John Sea Dogs * 61 GP * 26 ES Pts?

  3. kdunbar says:

    Some of both I hope. I hope the Oilers do draft at least three in the top hundred and make some moves. Peter Chiarelli seemed to imply moveing down rather than out of the first round which still leaves us with five. A couple of them can be traded to help the roster now. I wonder how anxious some teams willbe to dump salaries or RFA players like Vatanan, Barrie or Bozak.

  4. flyfish1168 says:

    CBJ gm Jarmo Kekäläinen probably has a better handle on Jesse Puljujarvi. I wonder if he will take him at 3 or lean towards a more north american player like Pierre-Luc Dubois since he plays center also

  5. Lowetide says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    No. 182 overall—C Dante Hannoun, Victoria Royals (WHL).

    Its hilarious.The last thing I did before opening your post was slide Hannoun into the 182 spot on my list.

    Where is
    Luke Green *D *R *6’1 *186 * Saint John Sea Dogs *61 GP *26 ES Pts?

    I have him No. 16 on the QMJHL list
    https://lowetide.ca/2016/04/22/the-oilers-at-the-qmjhl-2016-edition/

    But am working through the Q with Adam’s helo. We need a Q Otten.

  6. Halfwise says:

    In principle, you’d sell picks at the draft and buy picks during the season, especially at the trade deadline.

    In practice, it really helps that LT has shown examples of the players at each point. Much clearer sense of what may be given up.

    My entirely unscientific view of this would be to make picks 85, 87, 122 and 152 available as part of draft day deals, keeping the first 3, 148 and 182.

    148 and 182 should be in hand for Greg Chase types of picks, those who inexplicably passed through the rounds where they should have been selected.

    If 85 and 122 were enough to get the Oilers off the hook for signing Chia (what a stupid rule), that’s fine too.

    Edit: Duh, 85 on its own should get the Oilers off the hook, second round goes to 90, Halfwit…

  7. Zack says:

    Hey Lowetide,

    I’ve heard/read Dubois been compared to Jamie Benn more so then Neal. Either is a nice comparison though! I would have to side with the Jamie Benn one, however.

  8. DRFNsuperstar says:

    Zack,

    If he is Jamie Benn 2.0 I feel he’d probably get picked ahead of Puljujari, considering Benn is a top 5 player in the NHL. James Neal is a good comparison i’d say, average cycle/down low game, inconsistent physical game (either takes your head off or doesn’t touch you), but also has a cannon of a shot, can play any forward position, and underrated playmaking skills.

  9. Soup Fascist says:

    Halfwise:

    If 85 and 122 were enough to get the Oilers off the hook for signing Chia (what a stupid rule), that’s fine too.

    Ridiculous rule. It’s like charging someone $20 – after the fact – for a lamp that you no longer wanted that you threw in the dumpster.

    The intelligence of the people that run this league truly baffles at times.

    In terms of the Oilers, I hope Chia, Nicholson and Katz realize that the goodwill with the fans, that has been achieved through the new building and lucking into McDavid, has an expiry date. Another year of this crap and I can promise my tickets (and I suspect many others) will be available for the “thousands” on the waiting list.

    Make something happen – now.

  10. Yeti says:

    Big game tonight! I’m expecting a lot of noise here in downtown Helsinki. I’ve so far restrained myself from hanging Canadian flags out of the windows. Excited to watch Connor and Laine! Wish we were in a position to draft the Finnish flash… Hope you all get to enjoy the game too.

  11. Soup Fascist says:

    Halfwise,

    Psst – you were right the first time. Pick 60 is typically the end of the 2nd round.

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  13. Woodguy says:

    Should Peter Chiarelli re-stock the shelves, or should he (as was the case last year) deal picks for actual players?

    Given the level of activity in regards to college free agents I would think that Chia is going to use most of the picks.

    Need a 1/2 RHD and I think he’ll make sure he has that and will sell whatever pick that takes (if any) to complete that deal, but will use the rest of picks.

    This is where the rubber hits the road.

    We don’t know how much of last year’s moves were mostly Chia or mostly influenced by the Keystone Kops.

    This year everything will be laid at his feet and have his signature on it.

  14. Water Fire says:

    “Back to the original question: Should Peter Chiarelli re-stock the shelves, or should he (as was the case last year) deal picks for actual players? I have always argued that dealing picks for players is a good idea—especially in the second round and below. That said, it got the Calgary Flames in a lot of trouble when Darryl Sutter did it over many years (Flames dealt their 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007 second-round picks).”

    Everything in moderation.

    Trading picks this year is a good idea because what is needed is immediate help. I would keep the first pick if possible because of the calibre of player and that the quality of the later picks is so high given position, and that I don’t expect a lottery pick again for the Oilers barring great luck at the clear ball.

    I’m not feeling confident about big trades, meaning top level players, unless a cap thing forces something or Chia is in on somebody’s meltdown. I think that teams don’t want to help the Oilers despite disrespecting them but seem to like helping LA.

  15. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    Soup Fascist:

    In terms of the Oilers, I hope Chia, Nicholson and Katz realize that the goodwill with the fans, that has been achieved through the new building and lucking into McDavid, has an expiry date.

    I believe Katz et. al will soon discover that the fancy new $600 million arena will be a double-edged sword. If the team performs well, it will buy them good will.

    However, if the team continues to have bottom-5 league seasons, it won’t take long before general tax-payers start getting really vocal about “oh boy, my taxes have gone up so that team can continue to stink”.

  16. Wolfie says:

    I think there’s room to do both. The Oilers aren’t really in a position yet to deal from excess to bolster other positions….

    So how do you fix the problem? Well if you draft as well as the Jets have since coming to Winnipeg that’s one way.

    Realistically you aren’t going to fleece GMs on trades so building through the draft is imperative.

    Right now the Oilers have depth at LW and excellent potential at C. RW was well stocked last year but is in flux right now. LD seems to be stocked but mediocre and RD is a black hole. They also need a backup goalie.

    Maybe Slepy can fill a void next year but that can’t be counted on. Realistically aside from Brossoit and Slepy there are no internal solutions to move up and fill the areas of need…

    So what to do? Speed up the rebuild and trade picks for actual NHL players or be patient and draft and develop?

    It doesn’t have to be exclusively one or the other. However, I would be loathe to trade the #4 pick without bonafide top 4 D coming back. Dubois or Tkachuk look to be top notch talent and the threat of expansion makes this pick especially valuable.

    The trouble Edmonton seems to get into is trading actual talent for less than value. The danger this year is giving away Yakupov for pennies. There is less risk in trading Eberle or Pouliot just because I think their value league wide is more well known.

    The game is changing next year. Goalie gear is getting smaller. Shooters should have an easier time scoring. If Yakupov can harness his shot he could be deadly. Giving him away before giving him a run would be foolish.

    I think more patience is required. The Oilers have not yet reached a critical mass of talent to be able to address every hole and they won’t this year unless the absolutely fleece other teams.

    Draft at #4. Keep as much of the Hall cluster as possible to shelter and guide the McDavid cluster. Don’t trade actual NHL players for futures…

  17. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Flames dealt their 2004-07 draft picks for players, while Oilers kept their 2009-12 picks & drafted Lander, Pitlick, Musil, Moroz …

    The last three years the Oilers have had three more picks in the top third of the second round & traded them all. Can’t say that strategy has yielded a lot of fruit yet either.

  18. Lowetide says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Flames dealt their 2004-07 draft picks for players, while Oilers kept their 2009-12 picks & drafted Lander, Pitlick, Musil, Moroz …

    The last three years the Oilers have had three picks in the top 7 of the second round & traded them all. Can’t say that strategy has yielded a lot of fruit yet either.

    Which is my reason for asking the question.

    WG: I agree on this summer being Chiarelli’s big stage, but hold him responsible for those deals last summer. Even if they had been committed too, he could have walked them back.

  19. slopitch says:

    Should Peter Chiarelli re-stock the shelves, or should he (as was the case last year) deal picks for actual players?

    It’s imperative that Chai restocks the prospect cupboard. While the oilers do have many picks playing prominent roles they still have a bottom 5 prospect pool. That’s hard to believe given they have been selling players for futures and drafting in a good/great position for almost a decade.

    That said, it’s more imperative that the NHL team turns north and they RHD to do so. They can’t piss away another year when the forward group looks locked and loaded.

    I think Chai buys and sells. Yak will get moved for picks. And he will spend picks to get a RHD or 2 plus a RHC. The Reinhart acquisition was meh but Talbot was a hit. It’s hard to find good NHL goaltending and teams like Calgary and Dallas made the wrong choices and are left scrambling.

    All in all, LT, it’s not a black or white answer. It depends. But the 2 biggest needs are getting a RHD for the current team and restocking the system depth. So Chai can’t spend all the picks.

  20. flyfish1168 says:

    I feel PC has identified what he thinks is the core and who isn’t.The Hall core or cluster will be in trade. Just when and how fast. I can see Ebs this year then possible Hall and RNH next year traded for actual NHL players. They will be the building blocks for actual NHL players. The draft will be for prospects.

  21. Professor Q says:

    slopitch,

    The forward group doesn’t look locked and loaded, though.

  22. DRFNsuperstar says:

    flyfish1168:
    I feel PC has identified what he thinks is the core and who isn’t.The Hall core or cluster will be in trade. Just when and how fast. I can see Ebs this year then possible Hall and RNH next year traded for actual NHL players. They will be the building blocks for actual NHL players. The draft will be for prospects.

    You were joking here right?…right?

  23. cc says:

    Lowetide: I have him No. 16 on the QMJHL list
    https://lowetide.ca/2016/04/22/the-oilers-at-the-qmjhl-2016-edition/

    But am working through the Q with Adam’s helo. We need a Q Otten.

    https://oilersfuture.wordpress.com/2016/04/24/nhl-draft-qmjhl-forwards/

    https://oilersfuture.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/nhl-draft-qmjhl-defense-edition/

    Here are two QMJHL posts that I put together from various scouting reports. I have Green as the top defenceman in the Q. Albeit it’s a pretty weak group. I’ll likely have the OHL forwards up tomorrow.

  24. flyfish1168 says:

    DRFNsuperstar: You were joking here right?…right?

    Conner and Leon are the core now. Not the Hall group. Parts of it will be traded. Just maybe keep one. Your opinion sound like it differs than mine. Keep in mind losing for so long and having an unbalance line up players will need to be moved. Its difficult at this time to say which way PC will do this. JMHO

  25. fifthcartel says:

    Woodguy,

    I was a lot higher on Vatanen until I looked into his numbers and saw that they were pretty underwhelming. I’m kinda hoping Murray doesn’t want to trade him in the division and he goes elsewhere, and Edmonton goes after Barrie instead.

    Although, they made deals with Vancouver for Kesler/Bieksa and Edmonton for Maroon, but I don’t think they are the same as Vatanen with how young he is and Kesler/Bieksa were close to free agency again.

  26. rich says:

    flyfish1168:
    I feel PC has identified what he thinks is the core and who isn’t.The Hall core or cluster will be in trade. Just when and how fast. I can see Ebs this year then possible Hall and RNH next year traded for actual NHL players. They will be the building blocks for actual NHL players. The draft will be for prospects.

    Would make the sense that McDavid/Drai are the core given their age – in which case you use this year’s picks and your trade bait starts with Ebs or Yak – and which one can get you the d-man you need to be competitive (the other coming via free agency).

    Don’t agree w/trading Nuge and completely disagree w/trading Hall. Can’t see any way that PC wins a deal for Hall and having already traded Seguin, would think he’s have learned his lesson.

  27. Lowetide says:

    cc: https://oilersfuture.wordpress.com/2016/04/24/nhl-draft-qmjhl-forwards/

    https://oilersfuture.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/nhl-draft-qmjhl-defense-edition/

    Here are two QMJHL posts that I put together fromvarious scouting reports.I have Green as the top defenceman in the Q.Albeit it’s a pretty weak group.I’ll likely have the OHL forwards up tomorrow.

    Interesting, thanks for sharing!

  28. DRFNsuperstar says:

    flyfish1168: Conner and Leon are the core now. Not the Hall group. Parts of it will be traded. Just maybe keep one. Your opinion sound like it differs than mine. Keep in mind losing for so long and having an unbalance line up players will need to be moved. Its difficult at this time to say which way PC will do this. JMHO

    I’m just really curious to what your definition is of “actual NHL players.” Because Hall is a top 10 winger in the NHL and RNH is a 2nd line centreman on any team in the league, I agree Eberle should go for a Dman but he is still a 1/2 line winger in the NHL.

  29. flyfish1168 says:

    rich: Would make the sense that McDavid/Drai are the core given their age – in which case you use this year’s picks and your trade bait starts with Ebs or Yak – and which one can get you the d-man you need to be competitive (the other coming via free agency).

    Don’t agree w/trading Nuge and completely disagree w/trading Hall.Can’t see any way that PC wins a deal for Hall and having already traded Seguin, would think he’s have learned his lesson.

    They don’t all have to be trade at once. I believe they will each be traded out 1 at a time over the next 3 years. But if they do keep one it will be Hall. Again JMHO

  30. slopitch says:

    Professor Q:
    slopitch,

    The forward group doesn’t look locked and loaded, though.

    Which line is the problem? The 4th line is expensive and they will trade Yak but I think it’s a solid set myself. JMO.

  31. Johnny Larue says:

    flyfish1168:
    I feel PC has identified what he thinks is the core and who isn’t.The Hall core or cluster will be in trade. Just when and how fast. I can see Ebs this year then possible Hall and RNH next year traded for actual NHL players. They will be the building blocks for actual NHL players. The draft will be for prospects.

    So in your opinion Hall, RNH and Eberle aren’t NHL players. The alternative universe you live must be the opposite of the one in which I reside. I don’t no how trading away your best players in which you got from 10 years of pain is the solution.

  32. Lowetide says:

    Here is a good rule of thumb: If someone says Taylor Hall isnt an NHL player, we either have a language or age barrier, or we have someone trolling. Just a thought.

  33. Younger Oil says:

    PLD has also been compared to Benn, hasn’t he?

    Either way, even though this is a relatively weaker draft, it is still a great opportunity to restock the depleting prospect shelves.

    Ideal draft for me?
    1. Don’t draft more than one LHD.
    2. Don’t draft any long shot goalies.
    3. Don’t draft size for the sake of size.

    My mock draft?

    #4: PLD. Not even a contest. Plays all positions, has a wide range of skills.

    #32: Taylor Raddysh. REALLY solid ES production, doesn’t seem to have gotten a ton of PP time, or time with Strome and DeBryncat. I really think he is going to be the “second round steal” of the draft.

    #62: Frederic Allard. Great production on a poor team, RHD, wide range of skills. I’d trade up into the 40s-50s to get him to be honest, looks very promising.

    #85: Andrew Peeke. Really nice frame, RHD, don’t have a prospect like him in the system.

    Let’s just say we traded 87 to move up to Allard.

    #122: Trade up if needed and take Sean Day. I’m just very intrigued by this player, seems to have all of the tools, got exceptional status, but has a bit of an attitude which has hurt his draft ranking. Worth taking a late round flyer on IMO.

    With the last couple of picks, I don’t have anyone specific, just players who are sliding down the draft board, the Greg Chase’s of this draft. Draft for skill, not size here. Those are the best bets for late picks IMO.

  34. flyfish1168 says:

    Johnny Larue: So in your opinion Hall, RNH and Eberle aren’t NHL players. The alternative universe you live must be the opposite of the one in which I reside. I don’t no how trading away your best players in which you got from 10 years of pain is the solution.

    Please don’t read into what isn’t write there. Unbalanced line up and we have needs. Trade quality for quality. That is what I was getting at. I don’t want any of the 3 traded but reality is CAP and we want SC.

  35. OF17 says:

    flyfish,

    Hall is a top 5 LW, Eberle is a top 15 RW, and Nuge is one of the best young two-way centers in the league. The Oilers’ problem is a lack of good NHL players, not the quality of NHL players we do have.

    Trade Eberle and you’re instantly looking for a replacement. That replacement is definitely going to cost a big chunk of cash and probably a good asset too. Replace him with a 31 year old Eriksson and you’ve made the RHS problem worse while signing a deal for longer than prudent. Replace him with Okposo and you’ve likely paid more for an older guy with the same offense. Unless you get such a good deal on him for a RHD that you’re willing to significantly downgrade RW – and in turn McDavid’s line – trading Eberle makes no sense.

    Same with Nuge. Trade him and you need to find a 2008 Shawn Horcoff to replace him. That’s easier said than done. Nielsen, Staal, and Backes will all be 32 when next season starts. Even if they’d accept a 3 year deal, could we bank on them performing for the whole length of it? Tyler Bozak might work, but we’re back to the Eberle problem. A Nuge trade would have to be good enough to justify the downgrade, so unless you have Nuge+ for Faulk and EDM 2nd for Bozak lined up, it doesn’t make sense.

    Hall I thankfully barely have to mention. Ask the Flames what they would need in return for Gaudreau for it to be an overall positive.

    So with all that in mind, unless you get a good to great deal on a Nuge/Eberle trade, why not take the assets you’d use to replace them and just go get D with that?

  36. rickithebear says:

    WG: 8 years of awful dman net protection gets us lots of top 5 picks.
    Good hsca d depth gets other teams conference finals.
    Your d list is a whole collection of shit hsca d.

    Isn’t your career in solid undynamic wood.

    Having spent a lot of time in my backcountry warden career chasing tree cores with Weyerhaeuser geneticists. I wonder if you have sub conscious bias to chasing the dynamic over the solid undynamic aspect of dmen.

  37. anjinsan says:

    LT,
    I like the thinking on all your picks. Very sound.

    I dread what Chiarelli will do because of last year’s incompetent overpayment for Reinhart, his druthers for the Gryba over the Marincin, and his history of bloated contracts.

    But in beastly wishful-thinking mode I hope he keeps #4 and snags Dubois…or that Columbus opts for Dubois because he’s the valuable nasty big center and we get Puljujarvi (seriously, this could happen.)

    If we end up with Dubois, he may be a Messier type, and that aint bad.

  38. Richard S.S. says:

    What do the Oilers need from their players? What should they need from their Draft Picks?

    Skill: everyone on the Team needs at least above average skill. Connor McDavid has exceptional/unbelievable skills, and he may get better.

    Speed: everyone on the Team needs at least above average speed. Connor McDavid has exceptional/unbelievable speed that very few can attain or control.

    Defense: fore-checking, back-checking, going into the dark areas are just a few needed defensive attributes everyone needs. Connor McDavid does this stuff; how well I don’t know. He will get better. Anyone not as good, should not be on the Team.

    These are mandatory requirements for players to be an Oiler. You have to be good to be on the Team.

    Size: everyone should be Connor McDavid’s size or better, or it’s too much of a disadvantage. Of course being exceptional in the other three attributes makes size more of a desire than a need.

  39. "Steve Smith" says:

    anjinsan: If we end up with Dubois, he may be a Messier type, and that aint bad.

    I suppose having our pick turn out to be the second leading scorer in NHL history wouldn’t be bad, but you’d hope for better.

  40. "Steve Smith" says:

    Richard S.S.: Skill: everyone on the Team needs at least above average skill

    […]

    Speed: everyone on the Team needs at least above average speed.

    Seems realistic.

  41. The Hermit says:

    rickithebear: Having spent a lot of time in my backcountry warden career chasing tree cores with Weyerhaeuser geneticists.

    The most interesting bear in the world.

  42. The Hermit says:

    McDavid Superstar.

  43. Younger Oil says:

    Holy McDavid Batman

  44. geowal says:

    Wow! McDavid! If you’re not watching you’re going to want to dig up the highlights from this one.

  45. Lowetide says:

    Steve Smith is still the king.

  46. Oilspill says:

    Lowetide:
    Here is a good rule of thumb: If someone says Taylor Hall isnt an NHL player, we either have a language or age barrier, or we have someone trolling. Just a thought.

    I don’t think anyone with a half dozen marbles knows that Hall can play. My only concern is can he LEAD. I will put money on him being traded before the season begins. Eberle too. RNH stays.

  47. Younger Oil says:

    TSN just pointed out that the majority of team Canada’s D corps were all drafted in the 2012 draft.

    Makes Yakupov and Reinhart an even bigger kick in the boys.

  48. "Steve Smith" says:

    Lowetide:
    Steve Smith is still the king.

    Last time Neil Young saw me, I was shooting at a colour TV.

  49. Lowetide says:

    Oilspill: I don’t think anyone with a half dozen marbles knows that Hall can play. My only concern is can he LEAD. I will put money on him being traded before the season begins. Eberle too. RNH stays.

    I have no such concerns. He has been leading since he got here, but you can make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

  50. The Hermit says:

    “Steve Smith”: Last time Neil Young saw me, I was shooting at a colour TV.

    It’s Elvis!

  51. Derek says:

    This Canada – Finland game has been terrific so far, if you’re interested:

    https://streamboat.tv/@CAN

  52. geowal says:

    I think for non-playoff teams, if you’re trading picks for players there’s two main things to consider::
    1. Are they likely to stick around?
    2. How often are you doing this?
    In the case of Reinhart you are getting certain club control (whether you like the value of the trade or not), Talbot seemed like a likely bet to re-up, but Gryba had 1 year UFA written all over him. Overall you’re not depleting the system too much on one move as the players aren’t taking off right away, but combined you’re out 5 picks. I’d say that’s going to the well too often, and you should try to make one or two more selections per year, especially in the early rounds.

  53. godot10 says:

    flyfish1168: Conner and Leon are the core now. Not the Hall group. Parts of it will be traded. Just maybe keep one. Your opinion sound like it differs than mine. Keep in mind losing for so long and having an unbalance line up players will need to be moved. Its difficult at this time to say which way PC will do this. JMHO

    Leon lasted 40 games before tuckering out. You can call him a core player when he can play well for a full season.

  54. prairieschooner says:

    Some of those picks look pretty exciting
    Somebody, a few days ago suggested trading up to get another second round pick it seemed like a smart idea.
    Looking at the bigger picture for the Oilers I am reminded of the expression when asking for directions
    “You can’t get there from here”

  55. square_wheels says:

    godot10,

    Oh come on, he was clearly injured for much of the last 20+ games.

  56. square_wheels says:

    What, wait a second – they’re playing the chicken dance song ?

    Comrade , Gimme more go-go dancers please. And more liquid potatoe.

  57. stush18 says:

    square_wheels:
    godot10,

    Oh come on, he was clearly injured for much of the last 20+ games.

    Name the injury?

    Players have no issue naming their injuries at the end of year. I truly believe Leon tuckered out. His skating has never been a strong suit, and he’s played a lot of
    Hockey the past two years. This summer should help.

  58. square_wheels says:

    What a horse shit call. Almost NHL level bad.

    Finland has no business being in a 1-0 game at this point.

  59. square_wheels says:

    stush18,

    We’ve discussed it at length here, it was on the last eastern road trip. Appeared to be ribs, because he was avoiding heavy contact from that point nearly to the end of the year.

    If anything, it was aggregate injuries.

    But it’s a fair point – he did appear to hit a wall but considering the WHL playoff and Mem cup run where he played 100 games last year……I don’t think he has a “conditioning” issue.

  60. square_wheels says:

    Does anyone rag a puck in the o-zone as well as Perry ?

  61. Jethro Tull says:

    Imagine having to play against this Canada team in the NHL.

    The could be beaten, but lordy, if McDavid isn’t scoring on you, then Marchand, Gallagher, Perry should annoy you.

  62. Younger Oil says:

    The Finns just can’t handle McDavid, wow.

    Talbot has been solid too.

    Hall not too noticeable.

  63. flyfish1168 says:

    OF17:
    flyfish,

    Hall is a top 5 LW, Eberle is a top 15 RW, and Nuge is one of the best young two-way centers in the league. The Oilers’ problem is a lack of good NHL players, not the quality of NHL players we do have.

    Trade Eberle and you’re instantly looking for a replacement. That replacement is definitely going to cost a big chunk of cash and probably a good asset too. Replace him with a 31 year old Eriksson and you’ve made the RHS problem worse while signing a deal for longer than prudent. Replace him with Okposo and you’ve likely paid more for an older guy with the same offense. Unless you get such a good deal on him for a RHD that you’re willing to significantly downgrade RW – and in turn McDavid’s line – trading Eberle makes no sense.

    Same with Nuge. Trade him and you need to find a 2008 Shawn Horcoff to replace him. That’s easier said than done. Nielsen, Staal, and Backes will all be 32 when next season starts. Even if they’d accept a 3 year deal, could we bank on them performing for the whole length of it? Tyler Bozak might work, but we’re back to the Eberle problem. A Nuge trade would have to be good enough to justify the downgrade, so unless you have Nuge+ for Faulk and EDM 2nd for Bozak lined up, it doesn’t make sense.

    Hall I thankfully barely have to mention. Ask the Flames what they would need in return for Gaudreau for it to be an overall positive.

    So with all that in mind, unless you get a good to great deal on a Nuge/Eberle trade, why not take the assets you’d use to replace them and just go get D with that?

    I absolutely agree with you. I would love to keep all three. You hope the quality players you get back will help replace the ones going out. The problem arises with assets to trade for a quality RHD and a RH center man. Another problem will be when Connor requires a long term contract probably upwards of 8-9 Mil. Someone needs go and unfortunately its going to be the Hall cluster broken up. They don’t need to be traded all at once. This maybe 1-3 year project and PC may want to retain either Hall or RNH, but I can’t see how to keep both, since Leon and Connor needing to be paid. Again everyone has their own opinion how to get a quality RHD and a quality RH centerman. I rather do it though the assets we have versus draft picks. That is due to CAP and also 2017 expansion draft.

    It will be interesting how PC does it. The end result for me along as we are competitive FOR YEARS and Stanley Cups is in the short horizon I’ll be happy.

  64. Yeti says:

    “Steve Smith”: I suppose having our pick turn out to be the second leading scorer in NHL history wouldn’t be bad, but you’d hope for better.

    Dare to dream, Steve. Dare to dream!

  65. Yeti says:

    Younger Oil:
    The Finns just can’t handle McDavid, wow.

    Talbot has been solid too.

    Hall not too noticeable.

    Hey, give the non-NHL player a break, why don’t ya?

  66. square_wheels says:

    Younger Oil,

    I’ve seen Hall really good tonight, lots of shots and constantly pushing the Finn D back into their zone instead of turning it over at the blue line.

    He’s called Chance – he pushes rivers.

  67. geowal says:

    McDavid broke up the play at least 3 times on his last shift in the final two minutes. I look forward to the Oilers having leads he can try to help hold.

  68. geowal says:

    I wonder if the top three draft picks at an upcoming draft have ever all played at a WHC. Guessing not

  69. Lowetide says:

    Great game for Canada. Oilers? They were terrific! Well done, men!

  70. square_wheels says:

    I wonder if the Russian dancer girls and medal deliver babes are available for Katz’s new digs ???

    I might actually pay for a home game if they’re employed.

    PUTIN !!!!!!!!!!! What the fuck

  71. Professor Q says:

    I missed what the commentators said about McDavid being the youngest player to win X, Y, and Z tournaments and with the GWG; obviously he hasn’t supplanted Toews as Toews won Olympic Gold too.

    But I didn’t catch what they specified.

  72. square_wheels says:

    Putin just said – chill the fuck out about the bronze medal comrades I’ve already dealt with the coaching staff.

  73. jake70 says:

    I love Canada winning this tourney, it’ s not traditionally at the top of the list of prizes to win and the Euros, they are all in, and we go over and win, it’s great. This was a great game by the Canadians.

  74. geowal says:

    Professor Q:
    I missed what the commentators said about McDavid being the youngest player to win X, Y, and Z tournaments and with the GWG; obviously he hasn’t supplanted Toews as Toews won Olympic Gold too.

    But I didn’t catch what they specified.

    Youngest to win WJC, WHC, and U-18

  75. Yak Efron says:

    Im not usually a fan of Putin, but I must admit, he is a master chess player.

  76. square_wheels says:

    Yak Efron,

    I wonder if he’ll ask McDavid for an autograph ?

  77. --hudson-- says:

    Any impressions on Jere Sallinen today? Believe he was dressed for Finland today

  78. Cahoon says:

    I love how all the players wanted to get their medals from Bob. It’s good to have a guy that highly regarded at the helm.

  79. Lowetide says:

    –hudson–:
    Any impressions on Jere Sallinen today? Believe he was dressed for Finland today

    His brother was on the team, not Jere
    http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=11384

  80. Clay says:

    I’m worried about Talbot. He only had 4 shutouts, and he lost a game! He let in 1.1 gaols per game! How can we trust this guy between the pipes if he doesn’t get MOAR BIGGAR?

  81. Jethro Tull says:

    Clay:
    I’m worried about Talbot.He only had 4 shutouts, and he lost a game!He let in 1.1 gaols per game!How can we trust this guy between the pipes if he doesn’t get MOAR BIGGAR?

    It’s ok, Scrivens is a free agent. Goalie fixed!

  82. --hudson-- says:

    Lowetide: His brother was on the team, not Jere
    http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=11384

    Thanks, LT!

  83. spoiler says:

    Very good game by Canada.

    I have bad news, folks…

    The Oiler that will be traded this summer to balance the D will be Darnell Nurse.

  84. godot10 says:

    Yak Efron:
    Im not usually a fan of Putin, but I must admit, he is a master chess player.

    He genuinely loves hockey. So he is not all “bad”!**

  85. Jethro Tull says:

    spoiler:
    Very good game by Canada.

    I have bad news, folks…

    The Oiler that will be traded this summer to balance the D will be Darnell Nurse.

    Speculation, or you know a guy who knows a guy?

  86. spoiler says:

    Jethro Tull: Speculation, or you know a guy who knows a guy?

    This is more on the spec side, but if you think about it, he’s the most blocked player on the team with the most cachet and years of control and a cheap contract.

    If the Blues want to solve their cap problem this summer, then Nurse for Shatty/Pietrangelo and flip picks. Or if we’re serious about Faulk, same idea.

    I don’t see us trading RNH… and Ebs I don’t think would bring one of those players. I see no other way of Chia solving the problem.

    With KBomb’s injuries, I doubt even he is as attractive to other teams right now as Nurse is.

  87. kdunbar says:

    spoiler,

    If it is for a RHD of good value and we can sign for a reasonable number then ok.

    I like Nurse, but we need balance. Peter Charelli did bring in guys and trade them out in short order at times, may do the same with Griffian Reinhert.

  88. BONVIE says:

    Richard S.S.:
    What do the Oilers need from their players? What should they need from their Draft Picks?

    Skill: everyone on the Team needs at least above average skill.Connor McDavid has exceptional/unbelievable skills, and he may get better.

    Speed: everyone on the Team needs at least above average speed.Connor McDavid has exceptional/unbelievable speed that very few can attain or control.

    Defense: fore-checking, back-checking, going into the dark areas are just a few needed defensive attributes everyone needs.Connor McDavid does this stuff; how well I don’t know.He will get better. Anyone not as good, should not be on the Team.

    These are mandatory requirements for players to be an Oiler.You have to be good to be on the Team.

    Size: everyone should be Connor McDavid’s size or better, or it’s too much of a disadvantage.Of course being exceptional in the other three attributes makes size more of a desire than a need.

    I would agree with all of your points. I think speed was the most important part of Canadas game and the use of speed to constantly support the forecheck and cycle. Canada’s forwards were taking the pinching Dmans spot immediately everytime without hesitation. This is common hockey sense, but as an Oilers fan I am not use to seeing this quick execution, it was flawless on every line.I am seeing this in the playoffs as well, but with the Canada team it’s just such so automatic.

    The forwards support of the puck in both the breakouts and the cycle was amazing, but what really set this team play apart from the way the Oilers play was the way the forwards used their speed in the neutral zone on the backcheck to angle off the puck carrier. It was like clock work every shift the forwards used their speed to make it easy for the defense, angling the puck carrier right into their dman at the blue for a turnover or a dump and again if a dump was forced the speedy forward would be right in there to either retrieve the puck or be in close support to be an outlet for the pass.

    I think the Oilers should work hard on finding guys that can skate, and will play the right way to fill out the third and fourth lines. I count McDavid, Hall, and Draisatel as forwards to build around as they all excel in this sort of play, we have Maroon, Khaira, Kassian, and Hedricks to give the needed size, but we are lacking the speed outsidec of our top core. Currently in the minors only Khaira I am confident is ready. Size is important for sure, but speed and willingness to play in traffic is more important, as Duchesne, Marchand, Gallagher were all effective on the cycle and defending in their own zone and are all undersized. I still have hope that Eberle will be more consistent in his backchecking this year.

    We need to fill out our roster with some speedy wingers like this one guy I seen on Phoenix Tobias Reider or something like that, its too bad we couldn’t draft any guys like that.

    I unlike most guys on this site do not blame the Defense only as I believe if tbe forwards all played the right way as described above our young but talented and promising Dmen like Rheinhart, Nurse, Klefbom, Davidson would be able to break in to the leauge seemlessly, and if we had that top pair RD man we would be laughing.

  89. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Younger Oil,

    I thought Hall had a great game. No one seemed to be finishing, but he was sure dishing

  90. Lowetide says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Younger Oil,

    I thought Hall had a great game. No one seemed to be finishing, but he was sure dishing

    Hall had a strong game, while also making some possibly dangerous decisions. He is a terrific, maturing player. People are being silly.

    That is a good game for Hall to be in, learning to temper the risky decisions and have something very important on the line.

  91. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Lowetide: Hall had a strong game, while also making some possibly dangerous decisions. He is a terrific, maturing player. People are being silly.

    That is a good game for Hall to be in, learning to temper the risky decisions and have something very important on the line.

    Finns did not know what to do with themselves against Hall-McDavid on the 4-on-4. Maybe it’s just bigger ice and lesser competition, but seemed like they were communicating telepathically. GWG from an oilers, shutout from an oiler. Awesome game.

  92. Lowetide says:

    I feel we are going nowhere with the current discussion, so have begun deleting posts. I am hopeful we can discuss things of value, like Elvis and cheese.

  93. Lowetide says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Finns did not know what to do with themselves against Hall-McDavid on the 4-on-4. Maybe it’s just bigger ice and lesser competition, but seemed like they were communicating telepathically. GWG from an oilers, shutout from an oiler. Awesome game.

    Agreed. An encouraging day for Oilers fans.

  94. Evilas says:

    Here is an interview with Filip Berglund, whom I have been very interested in since Swedish Oil first mentioned him: http://norran.se/sport/skelleftea-aik/talangen-om-den-tuffa-resan-mot-aik-kontraktet-586496#

    Yo Swedish Oil, what do you know about William Pethrus, another high-scoring RHD? He went from 86 to out of the top 150 on Central Scouting’s list….

  95. rickithebear says:

    When i look at 1st even unit dmen.
    The elite protectors are
    Vlasic
    Weber
    Braun.

    When discussing nurse!
    He is an increadible skating young dman who is best at being the net prescence d anchor who has a great breakout pass.
    He is a future top of the hsca/60 1st comp d.

    I do not want trade him!

    I want to keep our top end evp/60 forwards.
    The top 80 evg forwards.
    Retain our hsca d.
    Our top end ppgf d
    Our top 8 med and high chance shot save % goalie.

    I Expect any forward will want a chance to revive there game on a line with mcdavid after a bad year heading into ufa .

  96. Jethro Tull says:

    Lowetide:
    I feel we are going nowhere with the current discussion, so have begun deleting posts. I am hopeful we can discuss things of value, like Elvis and cheese.

    How about McDavid?

    WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!

    Keep watching the highlights, McDavid’s hands on his goal were so quick, a striking cobra said “what the fudge was that? I missed it.”

    I like the way he gave the puck up then skated the long way around and popped back up in front of the net. Just like the ‘raptors from Jurassic Park 1. The one you never knew was there….clever boy.

    And Talbot’s performance was great. Read the game very well. Canada’s d kept letting Koivu stand where the hell he wanted on the doorstep. Talbot said “no worries” and stone walled him.

  97. Evilas says:

    As far as the moves this offseason go, I am of the keep the pick and draft PLD or Puljaarvi (if he is still there) I would use any other pick, including the 2017 1st to bring in a RHD.

    The kind of move I want to see is Pouliot (with salary retained) for Vatanen (if possible add more sweeteners and somehow, someway get Montador) sign him and then flip him for Barrie along with Fayne, Laleggia and whatever else it takes.

    I have been waving the Severson flag for Yak for quite some time here, so I would like to see Yak, Korpse and Musil (nephew of long-time Devil Bobby Holik and plays a style that would work very well in their system) for Severson, Reece Scarlett (a smooth skating, but 180lb RHD from Sherwood Park) and a 5th rounder….

    This clears out some of the LHD in the system and brings in 2 RHD, while also bringing good NHL RHD.

    Sign Demers (hopefully he can be had for less than the Sekera deal, but it will likely cost 5 x $5,250,000)

    Barrie might be around 7 x 6,250,000 (which is also a tad high, but will be approximately his price tag).

    I would also try to sign two of Kevan Miller, Ben Lovejoy, Zach Redmond or Adam Pardy on short, cheap contracts for roster depth and to keep Nurse and Reinhart in the AHL.

    I don’t think it is absolutely necessary that one of the long-time core players are moved, and I wonder if Andrew Shaw can be acquired for Lander and a 3rd round pick….

    The most important thing for this club is to hang on to as much skill as possible, while improving the depth on D. I am excited by the College FA signings this spring and IMO Chia is on track.

    My roster looks like this:

    1. Maroon-McD-Ebs 2. Hall-RNH-Drai 3. Chris Stewart-Shaw-Kassian 4. Hendo-LTube-Iro Depth- Cracknell (cheap and versatile enough, will add a bit of depth and allow the AHL guys to percolate a little bit longer) he is a RH shot, can play Center in pinch and you can never have too many vets on a young roster.
    He is a better, cheaper option for this role than Klinkhammer I think.

    1- Klef-Demers 2- Sek – Barrie 3- Davo-Severson Depth D – Lovejoy, Miller

    G- 1. Talbot 2. Chad Johnston

  98. The Trade Guy says:

    McDavid has the most unique shot. It looks like he’s batting a street hockey ball around, and like Eberle, he can shoot it close to his feet.

    His shot doesn’t look like he’s shooting a brick but the wrist strength to bat those pucks up like that is phenomenal.

  99. Lowetide says:

    The Trade Guy:
    McDavid has the most unique shot. It looks like he’s batting a street hockey ball around, and like Eberle, he can shoot it close to his feet.

    His shot doesn’t look like he’s shooting a brick but the wrist strength to bat those pucks up like that is phenomenal.

    Yeah, he also cradles the puck like an egg. Gil Perreault did that, so did the guy who dare not be mentioned.

  100. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear:
    WG: 8 years of awful dman net protection gets us lots of top 5 picks.
    Good hsca d depth gets other teams conference finals.
    Your d list is a whole collection of shit hsca d.

    Isn’t your career in solid undynamic wood.

    Having spent a lot of time in my backcountry warden career chasing tree cores with Weyerhaeuser geneticists. I wonder if you have sub conscious bias to chasing the dynamic over the solid undynamic aspect of dmen.

    My list is dictated by who is being talked about, not my own wish list.

    also,

    Wood is very dynamic. Constantly expanding and contracting with fluctuations in moisture content.

    also,

    your hdca/60 stat is very undynamic

    you need to account for coaching, team and QC.

    if you used relative measures your stuff would be more useful and led you less to conclusions like Fistric being a top NHL Dman.

  101. BONVIE says:

    Woodguy

    your hdca/60 stat is very undynamic

    you need to account for coaching, team and QC.

    I agree with this especially for young emerging D who are fortunate enough to be broken into the NHL with a veteran partner who is playing in a slot at or lower than his capabilities such as if Sekera was able to bring in a rookie like Reinhart or Nurse on a second pairing. Nurse and Sekera were partnered up but were forced to eat top pair minutes.

    I believe both Nurse and Reinhart need to play top 8 this year both are ready to play in the NHL in the proper slots, but need a veteran top pair Dman to control the slotting of each guy on this defense. I feel like some guys are convinced other teams young D are somehow better than our young D, but I see it in more the lack of veteran pairing situations, and secondly that the Oilers majority of the Oilers forwards don’t do enough to support the D on the backcheck in the neutral zone and in the Dzone supporting on the walls, as they do on pretty much every good team in the league. I believe we added two forwards in Maroon and Kassian that will play the right way. We need more guys with good speed like Kreider.

    My list sees Myers at the top, but im warming up to a Barrie or Vatanen. I don’t like when people say Demers costs only money because we are in a cap world and bad contracts hurt us more than a bad trade. We have so many potential big contracts, we just cant handcuff ourselves by signing a bad long term contract.

  102. rickithebear says:

    When we look at what is on our team and what is available.
    Since the lockout minimum 40 gm
    Ederle #24Fwd G – #21 fwd EVG – #27 points 6M
    Hall #36g – #24 EVG – #18 points 6M
    Mcdcvid #23 GPG – #4 PPG 3.775M
    —————————————- top 30 forwards
    RNH #110G – #108 EVG – #78 Points 6M
    —————————————– fringe 1st line forwards upper 2nd line fwd goals
    Pouliot #130G – #153 EVG – #156 PPG 4M
    —————————————- 2nd line forwards
    Yakupov #166G – #185 EVG – #256 PPG 2.5M
    —————————————-2nd/3rd line forwrds
    Letestu #201G – #239 EVG – #187P 1.8M
    Maroon #226G – #225 EVG – #206 P 1.5M
    Kassian #226 G – #211 EVG 1.5M
    —————————————– upper 3rd forwards
    korpikoski #241G – #277EVG 2.5M
    Hendricks #293G – #287 EVG 1.85M

    when i look at our Goal production beyond our first 3.
    alot of money on ineffective goal results.

    Ladd LW #28G – #29 EVG – #32 points 4.4M cap last contract
    I dump Yak and pouliot’s dollars to get him!

    Lucic LW 82G – #29 EVG – #62P 6M cap hit last year

    Hudler RW #61G -#36 EVG – #40 Points 4.0M cap hit with down year.
    we might be able to get a top 40 fwd on a 1/2 yr cheapy.

    Backes C #42G – #70 EVG – #58P 4.5M cap last year

    Ericksson LW #61G – #70 EVG – #74 P 4.25M cap last year

    Brouwer RW #36G- #101 EVG – #91P 3.67M Cap

    Vrbata RW #53g #101 EVG #79P 5M cap
    Might get a 1 yr cheapy here.

    Nielson C #92G – #134 EVG – #66P repeats RNH skills. 2.75M cap last year.

    Shaw C #126G – #130 EVG – #168 P 2M cap last year.

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