150 FOR THE 2016 DRAFT

by Lowetide

If you want a cheat sheet for the 2016 Entry Draft, grab the invite list for the NHL combine. Last season, over 100 names were on the list and the following men were not drafted: Kameron Kielly, Justin Lemcke, Hayden McCool, Brett McKenzie, Nathan Noel, Tyler Soy. That means 94 percent of the names invited were drafted by NHL teams. Here is this year’s list, there are a lot of names who do not appear on my list.

THE 150 BEST PLAYERS IN THE 2016 DRAFT

  1. (1) C Auston Matthews, Zurich Lions (Swiss-A): He stays at No. 1
  2. (2) W Patrik Laine, Tappara (Sm-Liiga): He might be the best player in the draft.
  3. (3) R Jesse Puljujarvi, Karpat (Sm-Liiga): Wide range of skills. Big & fast.
  4. (4) C Pierre-Luc Dubois, Cape Breton (QMJHL): Compared to Jamie Benn.
  5. (5)  L Matthew Tkachuk, London Knights (OHL): Third best offensive player in the draft?
  6. (6) LD Mikhail Sergachev, Windsor Spitfires (OHL): Brilliant skater, dynamic player.
  7. (7) C Clayton Keller, USNDTP (USHL): Elite skill level. He may be drafted top five.
  8. (8) LD Olli Juolevi, London Knights (OHL): Quality two-way defender.
  9. (9) LD Jakob Chychrun, Sarnia Sting (OHL): Great skater, across the board skills.
  10. (10) RD Dante Fabbro, Penticton (BCJHL): Impressive two-way D. Great passer.
  11. (12) L Tyson Jost, Penticton (BCJHL). Great skater, creative offensive player.
  12. (11) R Alexander Nylander, Mississauga (OHL): Soft hands, brilliant, good speed.
  13. (13) RD Charlie McAvoy, Boston University (NCAA). Complete D, good speed.
  14. (14) C Logan Brown, Windsor Spitfires (OHL): Range of skills, good skater. Giant.
  15. (15) R Alex DeBrincat, Erie Otters (OHL): Small sniper. Fast, underrated.
  16. (17) C Luke Kunin, Wisconsin (NCAA): Luedeke: has skating & shot of prolific scorer.
  17. (16) LD Jake Bean, Calgary Hitmen (WHL): Smart two-way D.
  18. (18) C German Rubtsov, Team Russia (MHL). Fine two-way center.
  19. (21) C Pascal Laberge, Victoriaville Tigres (QMJHL). Skill, size, consistency an issue.
  20. (23) G Carter Hart, Everett Silvertips (WHL): .929 in playoffs.
  21. (22) L Kieffer Bellows, USNDTP (USHL). Scoring forward, skating a concern.
  22. (19) R Vitalii Abramov, Gatineau Olympiques (QMJHL). Explosive scorer. Dynamic.
  23. (20) C Michael McLeod, Mississauga Steelheads (OHL): Playmaking PF, great skater. Gritty.
  24. (24) L Adam Mascherin, Kitchener Rangers (OHL): Undersized scoring W. Bona fide.
  25. (25) C Rasmus Asplund, Farjestads (SHL). He is 6.0, 180 and quality two-way forward.
  26. (26) R Julien Gauthier, Val D’Or Foreurs (QMJHL): Great hands, average speed.
  27. (33) LD Cam Dineen, North Bay (OHL): Kournianos: Dineen is a high-end puck mover.
  28. (29) C Janne Kuokkanen, Karpat (Fin Jr). Skilled C, good speed. Playmaker.
  29. (31) R Taylor Raddysh, Erie Otters (OHL). Power winger who can score.
  30. (32) L Max Jones, London Knights (OHL). Otten calls him a throwback PF.
  31. (27) LD Lucas Johansen, Kelowna Rockets (WHL).  Two-way D, good mobility.
  32. (30) C Will Bitten, Flint Firebireds (OHL): Fast skater, scoring playmaker. Intriguing.
  33. (28) C-R Nathan Bastian, Mississauga Steelheads (OHL): Big skill F with smarts.
  34. (38) L Tyler Benson, Vancouver Giants (WHL). Physical two-way forward. Injured a lot.
  35. (35) G Tyler Parsons, London Knights (OHL). He looks substantial based on numbers. .921
  36. (36) LD Kale Clague, Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL). Fast offensive defenseman.
  37. (37) R Maxime Fortier, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL). Speed and skill.
  38. (41) C Dillon Dube, Kelowna Rockets (WHL): Speedy scorer, range of skills.
  39. (51) G Veini Vehvilainen, JYP (Fin 2). 26GP, 2.04 .925. Re-entry.
  40. (39) L Vladimir Kuznetsov, Acadie-Bathurst Titan (QMJHL): Big, strong and skilled.
  41. (40) L Jonathan Dahlen, Timra (Allsvenskan). Ulf’s boy, slick and brilliant.
  42. (42) LD Samuel Girard, Shawinigian (QMJHL). The new M-A Bergeron.
  43. (43) G Filip Gustavsson, Lulea (SHL): Big G with a .910 SHL SP. Impressive.
  44. (44) C Sam Steel, Regina Pats (WHL). I call him lesser Eberle. Confusing season.
  45. (45) L Kyle Maksimovich, Erie Otters (OHL). Small, very skilled player.
  46. (46) LD Victor Mete, London Knights (OHL). Great skater, impressive offense.
  47. (47) R Matthew Phillips, Victoria Royals (WHL). Tiny, brilliant offensive winger.
  48. (48) L Riley Tufte, Fargo Force (USHL). Big W, buzz on this guy is pretty massive.
  49. (49) R Jordan Kyrou, Sarnia Sting (OHL). Skilled winger, creative.
  50. (60) RD Adam Fox, US National Team (USHL). Creative, intelligent, good skater. 5.10, 183.
  51. (50) R Yegor Korshkov, Yaroslavl (KHL). Brilliant WJs, big and skilled winger.
  52. (51) C Brett Howden, Moose Jaw (WHL). Good skater, skill center. Solid prospect.
  53. (53) C Noah Gregor, Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL). Two-way C, aggressive.
  54. (34) C Tage Thompson, Connecticut Huskies (NCAA). Legit skill player. Skating a concern.
  55. (54) L Cameron Morrison, Youngstown (USHL). Skill winger, fine skater, shooter.
  56. (74) RD David Quenneville, Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL). Small, very skilled. I like him.
  57. (55) C Dmitri Sokolov, Sudbury Wolves (OHL). Big F, strong, aggressive. Solid offense.
  58. (56) L Boris Katchouk, SSM (OHL). Rugged, throwback W with skill.
  59. (57) C Adam Brooks, Regina Pats (WHL). Brilliant offensive season. Substantial talent.
  60. (58) RD Frederic Allard, Chicoutimi Sagueneens (QMJHL). Two-way D, impressive offense.
  61. (59) RD Filip Berglund, Skelleftea AIK (SEL). Intriguing offense, may take awhile.
  62. (61) C Tyler Steenbergen, Swift Current Broncos (WHL). Spiked in-season.
  63. (62) RD Filip Hronek, HK Hradec Kralove (Cze). Smart undersized skill D.
  64. (64) L Carl Grundstrom, MoDo (SHL): Speedy two-way winger.
  65. (65) L Artur Kayumov, Team Russia (MHL). Fast, skilled, great shot. One dimensional.
  66. (66) C Brandon Gignac, Shawinigan (QMJHL). Skill C, nice numbers.
  67. (67) C Linus Lindstrom, Skelleftea (SuperElite). Swede with two-way skills.
  68. (68) L Simon Stransky, Prince Albert Raiders (WHL). Small skill winger.
  69. (69) L Matthew Boucher, Quebec Remparts (QMJHL). Small, speed, skill.
  70. (70) L Mitchell Mattson, Grand Rapids (USHS). Tall forward with speed and skill. PF?
  71. (71) L Givani Smith, Guelph Storm (OHL). Big, strong PF. Fine player on struggling team.
  72. (72) C Jonathan Ang, Peterborough Petes (OHL). Quick, skilled, chaotic.
  73. (73) C Otto Somppi, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL). Big C, has skill.
  74. (NR) LD Luke Green, Saint John (QMJHL). Impressive offensive defender.
  75. (75) LW Sebastian Repo, Pelicans (Sm-Liiga). Nice range of skills. Underrated.
  76. (76) C Oskar Steen, Farjestads (SuperElite). Small F with skill, impressive offense.
  77. (63) LD Dennis Cholowski, Chilliwack Chiefs (BCJHL). Smooth skater, smart blue.
  78. (77) L Matt Filipe, Cedar Rapids (USHL). 6.02, 200 and skilled.
  79. (78) C Kasper Bjorkqvist, Blues U20 (Jr. SML). He sure scores goals a lot.
  80. (NR) G Mikhail Berdin, Team Russia (MHL). A strong (.929) season, highly regarded
  81. (79) LD Stepan Falkovsky, Ottawa 67s (OHL). Actual giant (6.07, 224), monster shot.
  82. (80) F Brayden Burke, Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL). Impressive playmaker, undersized.
  83. (81) LD Yegor Rykov, St. Petersburg (MHL). Two-way D, good passer, intelligent. Can skate.
  84. (82) C Henrik Borgstrom, HIFK U20 (Jr. SML). Tall thin C with skill, plus shot. Heading to U. of Denver.
  85. (83) C Alan Lyszczarczyk, Sudbury Wolves (OHL). Two-way C with PP numbers.
  86. (84) R Wade Allison, Tri-City Storm (USHL). Size, skill, spiked in final CS ranking.
  87. (85) R Egor Babenko, Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL). Math puts him here. Small, very skilled.
  88. (86) R Joey Anderson, US National Team (USHL). Very skilled, average size and speed.
  89. (87) RD Andrew Peeke, Green Bay Gamblers (USHL). Big, mobile D, plus shot.
  90. (88) RC Dylan Gambrell, U of Denver (NCAA). Fast, skilled, brilliant.
  91. (89) G Jeremy Helvig, Kingston Frontenacs (OHL). Numbers are solid.
  92. (90) C-R Dante Salituro, Ottawa 67s (OHL). Back for another lash, very skilled.
  93. (93) LD Cole Candella, Hamilton Bulldogs (OHL). Solid two-way D, injury hurt his numbers.
  94. (91) C William Bower, Moncton Wildcats (QMJHL). Undersized C.
  95. (92) C Ondrej Najman, HC Dukla Jihlava (Czech). He is posting some impressive boxcars.
  96. (94) LD Lucas Carlsson, Brynas (SHL). Two-way defenseman, eligible last year.
  97. (95) LD Jacob Moverare, HV71 (SuperElite). Two-way D, strong, mobile.
  98. (96) W Tim Gettinger, SSM (OHL). He is a 6.06 winger. Itch will be scratched.
  99. (97) LD Sebastian Aho, Skelleftea (SHL). Undersized, puck moving D.
  100. (98) R Jesper Bratt, AIK (Allsvenskan). Very small, very skilled. Fast buzzsaw.
  101. (99) C Tanner Laczynski, Lincoln Stars (USHL). A solid offensive player.
  102. (NR) RD Jordan Sambrook, Erie Otters (OHL). Solid two-way D, may be undervalued
  103. (100) LD Chad Krys, US National Team (USHL). Two-way D, creative with the puck.
  104. (101) L Jakob Stukel, Calgary Hitmen (WHL). Speedy W with skill. No buzz at all.
  105. (102) LD Markus Niemelainen, Saginaw Spirit (OHL). Giant defender, mobile, some offense.
  106. (NR) L Jack Kopacka, SSM (OHL). Two-way forward with some size.
  107. (103) C Reid Gardner, Prince Albert Raiders (WHL). Two-way C. A solid prospect.
  108. (104) G Daniel Marmenlind, Orebro (SuperElite). Strong numbers (.920)
  109. (105) C Aapeli Rasanen, Tappara U20 (Jr. SML). A fine prospect, good size and skill.
  110. (106) G Zack Sawchenko, Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL). A .916SP is rock solid. Great glove.
  111. (110) C Cliff Pu, London Knights (OHL). Otten has him trending.
  112. (NR) C Logan DeNoble, Peterborough Petes (OHL). Small scoring F, effective at ES.
  113. (107) LD Sean Day, Mississauga (OHL). Mobile two-way D.
  114. (108) L Brandon Hagel, Red Deer Rebels (WHL). Skill W, undersized.
  115. (NR) LD Ryan Lindgren, US National Team (USHL). Two-way D lacks one outstanding skill.
  116. (109) C Brett McKenzie, North Bay (OHL). Smart checking center.
  117. (NR) LD Vojtech Budik, Prince Albert Raiders (WHL). Terrific skater, shut down blue.
  118. (111) R Cameron Askew, Moncton Wildcats (QMJHL). Big, bruising F with skill (Sherren).
  119. (NR) RD Pascal Corbeil, Blainville-Boisbriand (QMJHL). Small puck mover.
  120. (NR) D Ben Gleason, Hamilton Bulldogs (OHL). Chaos defender with real ability.
  121. (NR) RD  Jacob Cederholm, HV71 (SuperElite). Big defensive defender
  122. (112) G Evan Fitzpatrick, Sherbrooke Phoenix (QMJHL). No. 1 ranked NA goalie by CSB.  .896
  123. (113) G Niilo Halonen, Jokerit U20 (Jr. SML). Phenomenal numbers.
  124. (114) RW Matt Luff, Hamilton (OHL). Throwback W with size and skill.
  125. (115) LD Libor Hajek, Saskatoon Blades. Big (6.02, 185) Big, strong and mobile.
  126. (116) L Roman Krikunenko, Yaroslav (MHL). Scored 32 points in 35 games.
  127. (117) LD Max Lajoie, Swift Current Broncos (WHL). Fine skater, smart player.
  128. (118) R Steve Harland, North Bay Battalion (OHL). Scored well , showed up in some interesting areas when digging through the numbers.
  129. (119) C Otto Makinen, Tappara U20 (Jr. SML). Tall C with two way skills, could spike at the draft.
  130. (130) C Rem Pitlick, Muskegon Lumberjacks (USHL). Small and very skilled C. Cousin of Tyler.
  131. (120) G Julio Billia, Chicoutimi (QMJHL). Sherren: undersized but consistent. .919SP.
  132. (121) LD Logan Stanley, Windsor Spitfires (OHL). Giant defensive defender, excellent skater.
  133. (122) C Trent Frederic, US National Team (USHL). Two-way C with size.
  134. (123) C Andrei Svetlakov, CSKA (KHL). Skilled, gritty forward. Might be a good target.
  135. (124) LD David Bernhardt, Djurgardens (SuperElite). Puck mover with speed.
  136. (125) C Cameron Hebig, Saskatoon Blades (WHL). Two-way C, overager.
  137. (126) L Mikko Juusola, Kalpa (Jr. SML). Speed winger with skill.
  138. (127) RD Chase Priskie, Quinnipiac (NCAA). Puck-moving defender.
  139. (128) C Nathan Noel, Saint John Sea Dogs (QMJHL). Wide range of skills, undersized.
  140. (129) RD Jake Ryczek, Waterloo Blackhawks (USHL). Appears to be a spark offensively.
  141. (NR) C Connor Bunnaman, Kitchener Rangers (OHL). Checking center looks a little shy offensively.
  142. (NR) Max Zimmer, Chicago Steel (USHL). Two-way talent has a nice range of skills.
  143. (NR) LD Matthew Cairns, Georgetown Raiders (OJHL). Smart defender with good size, mobility.
  144. (NR) R Nicholas Caamano, Flint Firebirds (OHL). Winger with size and speed, scored 20 goals.
  145. (NR) C Hugh McGing, Cedar Rapids Roughriders (USHL). A small and very skilled forward, Western Michigan next year.
  146. (NR) C Tanner Kaspick, Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL). Has speed, range of skills.
  147. (NR) R William Knierim, Dubuque Fighting Saints (USHL). Huge winger with some skill.
  148. (NR) R Eetu Tuulola, HPK U20 (Jr. SML). Massive winger (6.03, 225) with some offense.
  149. (NR) C Dante Hannoun, Victoria Royals (WHL). August 1998 and posted 58 points in 71 games. He can play. 5.05.
  150. (NR) R William Lockwood, US National Team (USHL). Outstanding U18s. Rugged.

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OILERS MOCK DRAFT

  • No. 4 overall—C Pierre-Luc Dubois, Cape Breton (QMJHL). I remain stubbornly onside with the Quebec kid, but Tkachuk’s recent performance (on one leg! according to Bob) may be the difference. Dubois had 83 primary points in 62gp, 66 primary points for Tkachuk in 57gp. For the record, I do not believe either player will be a center for the heart of their careers.
  • No. 32 overall—LD Cam Dineen, North Bay (OHL). I have become convinced of him. He delivers solid offense at evens and on the power play.  Brock OttenDineen’s best asset is far and away his ability to see the ice offensively. His hockey sense is elite and his brain for the game is going to carry him places. I saw North Bay a lot this year and I honestly can’t remember him making a bad pass out of his own end. Source
  • No. 62 overall—R Jordan Kyrou, Sarnia Sting (OHL). The Oilers should pick from the Ontario league early and often. This young man could be Donskoi, could be Pisani, but he has a range of skills. Brock Otten:  Kyrou is one of the best skaters in the OHL, demonstrating not only elite speed, but agility too. He cuts/changes directions as quick as any player in the league. It’s that, that allows him to be a true puck hound defensively, and an offensive dynamo off the rush. Source
  • No. 85 overall (Florida pick)—RD David Quenneville, Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL). He is an outstanding offensive defenseman. Chris Dilks: Quenneville is definitely a boom-or-bust type of player. If he can improve defensively, he’s got the offensive instincts to a be a Sami Vatanen-type player that is a nice contributor on the power play. Source
  • No. 87 overall (Pittsburgh pick)—C Kasper Bjorkqvist, Blues U20 (Jr. SML). This much offense is too much to pass on. Over The Boards: Another prospect who’s reportedly likely to play in the NCAA next season, Björkqvist is a powerful two-way forward. An extremely versatile player who’s able to adapt to various roles, Björkqvist is a strong skater with the speed required for college hockey. Not always extremely flashy but has a presence in the offensive zone and wins battles along the boards. Had 28 goals and 38 assists for Blues U20, plus was part of the gold-winning Team Finland at World Juniors.  Source
  • No. 122 overall—C Brett McKenzie, North Bay (OHL). Brock Otten: This year, he made improvements to nearly every area. His skating is definitely better, more explosive. His shot has added velocity and become a major asset. He had 26 goals on the year, but only 2 were on the powerplay (which points to a continued trend upwards next year when he gets more PP time). McKenzie is also a terrific two way player who excels on the penalty kill (with 5 shorthanded goals) and loves using his size to disrupt on the forecheck and along the wall. Source
  • No. 148 overall (St. Louis pick)—G Zack Sawchenko, Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL). A .916SP is rock solid. Great glove. Ryan Pike: Sawchenko doesn’t have Hart’s size, but he’s a bit more of a battler than Hart is. He’s not as big and not quite as consistent, but he has good positioning and cuts down angles well. Source
  • No. 152 overall—R Ty Ronning, Vancouver Giants (WHL). Small, skill winger. Gare Joyce quoting a scout: “You look at him and say, ‘He shouldn’t be able to play at the next level.’ But then again, that’s exactly what everybody said about Cliff (Ronning). And the fact is that Cliff played at a time when it was a lot tougher to at that size. I tell our guys, ‘Don’t tell me how his size limits [Ty] in the NHL. Don’t make assumptions. Tell me how he plays and what he makes happen and let’s work from there.'” Source
  • No. 182 overall—L Collin Adams, Muskegon Lumberjacks (USHL). Undersized skill winger with an edge. His numbers are promising.

SOME NOTES

  • Lots of chatter about teams trading up, specifically Arizona, Buffalo and Montreal. We have discussed possible return in the past, but don’t discount added picks. Peter Chiarelli acquired Cam Talbot and Eric Gryba a year ago without using a first-round selection.
  • The New York Rangers may be cleaning house, according to Larry Brooks. We should watch this team closely, as J.T. Miller, Chris Kreider and others fit the Chiarelli template.
  • I am having a dickens of a time getting the USHL kids sorted out, but beyond that the list is pretty much complete. I have been doing some heavy reading on a few players (moving up or down) and will try to shoe horn USHL man Greenway onto the list—but the scouting report does not match my list. A few outliers (Lemcke, certainly Bleackley if the Coyotes don’t sign him) could appear.
  • I believe the final frontier of the draft (the part we can’t suss out very well at all with numbers) is the USHL. Caleb Jones totals (25, 2-6-8) in the USHL last season gave little indication of his offensive potential (72, 10-45-55 in the WHL last season). So, when I look at J.D. Greenway (25, 2-8-10), and read his scouting report, very difficult to project him.
  • You may have tuned in this morning for some kind of reaction to the Taylor Hall omission from the World Cup of Hockey roster. Of course he should have been on the team, I said that yesterday on the Lowdown. Hall is (imo) a bit of a victim of the team he plays for, and the fact this era gives more power to the coach than the days of yore. I happen to think Hall is going to be playing a lot of hockey next season and in the years to come, but this is absolutely a slight and fans have every right to be wildly unhappy about it. Bill Peters used Hall in all situations during the recent WHCs and Hall played the most minutes among forwards in the Gold Medal game. I think Taylor Hall should be proud of himself this morning. My parents taught me that you give all of your effort toward reaching a goal, and in that way you can be satisfied with any outcome.
  • Ryan Nugent-Hopkins had a poor year and is also a bit of a victim of the team he plays for, but his inclusion on the NA roster (for me) is a good thing. The Nuge has certainly been challenged in the last months, by injury, the game itself, his own management and the selection committee for this team. Early hours after the announcement have pundits pointing to his inclusion as a surprise—with more capable players on the outside looking in. I think that is a good thing, I hope people continue to underestimate the Nuge. He is a fine young player, gifted with a veteran’s skill set as a youngster and only now growing into the man he will become as an NHL center. He has a lot to prove this year, I will bet on Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 10 times out of 10.
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Rondo

Dubois named CHL’s Top Prospect

“It’s an honor to see guys like Patrick Kane and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (on the award),” Dubois said. “It’s an honor. I want to be the best player I can. I want to prove in a couple years people look back and see my name and be proud of it, too.”

http://futureconsiderations.ca/dubois-named-chls-top-prospect/

Woodguy

magisterrex:
Reading this forum today as the topic meanders from avian humor through actual hockey talk, and then into culinary pursuits, one thing is clear:

Posters here will always regress to the meat.

Best

jimmers2

G Money,

A stats joke, but I hoped it would swing both ways… A cooking device with such a name mentioned on a math-friendly blog is a slow moving target

magisterrex

Reading this forum today as the topic meanders from avian humor through actual hockey talk, and then into culinary pursuits, one thing is clear:

Posters here will always regress to the meat.

nelson88

Lowetide:
Math snark: ‘I explained this to you, or someone, awhile ago, so now I am just going to shit on people for six hours and be negative because I am so much smarter than everyone and because no one can possibly understand me so why not?’

Poster: ‘I wonder if the Oilers draft Frank Smith, he seems to have some nice things’

Math snark: ‘Why bother? The guy cannot possibly get any better than he is now, did you not read my last 400 posts?’

Poster: ‘No. I stopped reading them about the time you became an asshole.’

Your writing really is pure genius. I linger less in the offseason but tuned in yesterday evening and had to shut it down after about ten minutes as a couple of the regulars had gone off their meds again. Never change LT, never change.

square_wheels

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

The Wire is the gold standard of TV writing – full stop.

Re-Elect Frank Sobotka for secretary treasurer !!

David Simon really gutted me with this series, made me rethink just how easy my life has been.

Water Fire

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
Hmm. I find this place a lot less cliquey than before, to be honest. Lots of strong, new voices and new frequent commenters.

Whenever I see the name Sobotka I think of the Wire, Season 2. Everybody hates on that season because maybe it didn’t quite reach the glorious heights of the likes of Seasons 1, 3 and especially 4. But with time and distance you come to really appreciate that season as a standalone, high quality drama. Like how a Bordeaux vintage in what was deemed to be a lesser year (eg. 1959 was early on considered not that great, especially compared with 1961) can come on later to be considered great.

I loved that show. Wish there were more like it especially now that you can binge watch them.

Woodguy

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
Hmm. I find this place a lot less cliquey than before, to be honest. Lots of strong, new voices and new frequent commenters.

Whenever I see the name Sobotka I think of the Wire, Season 2. Everybody hates on that season because maybe it didn’t quite reach the glorious heights of the likes of Seasons 1, 3 and especially 4. But with time and distance you come to really appreciate that season as a standalone, high quality drama. Like how a Bordeaux vintage in what was deemed to be a lesser year (eg. 1959 was early on considered not that great, especially compared with 1961) can come on later to be considered great.

Agreed that it’s way less clique-y.

Agreed on The Wire too.

Omar is forever one of my favorite fiction characters and Stephen King called Snoop “perhaps the most terrifying female villain to appear in a television series”

Ridiculously good writing.

Water Fire

I’ve been around for quite a while at various places and ended here because there is no where else reasonable and deep enough at the same time.

Once the data void stalled Vic and Co. and others like JLikens rip stopped doing work that was revealing new things, I noticed a drop in animosity. Folks who couldn’t cope with stats left places along these lines or understood, and simply there just wasn’t much new to debate, it was all done.

I have also found in the last while there are more personal attacks and rude internet cowboy routines. I have also noticed LT policing more and seeming to feel the need to defend himself repeatedly. So there’s my eviedence that respect has waned.

This is a great site so let’s be nice to each other and keep the quality and especially the hilarity up; let the Dys and fLames fans be the ‘dinks’ – rudeness and insults are childish and unnecessary and don’t advance the debate. LT and the all of us deserve better.

stephen sheps

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

apropos of the wire and birds… Ziggy Sobotka’s pet duck was pure comedy gold in a season with far too many serious character beats.

season 4 is perfection, but for me, the runner up is season 2.

anonymous

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
Hmm. I find this place a lot less cliquey than before, to be honest. Lots of strong, new voices and new frequent commenters.

Definitely, being completely ignored back in the days of 50-100 comments a blog, that’s cliquey.

RedNed

Arriving late from across the globe, but thought should mention the EMU for your deliberations. Great leg speed and size, though not too good on the flying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89lSw-WuQBg

Woodguy

G Money:
Woodguy,
Jethro Tull,

So many classics.

I do all of my stats work in Python, which is in fact named after the troupe.So there are easter egg references to the various sketches embedded at various points in the language and the libraries and the documentation.

Graham Chapman was always best when he was utterly angry and abusive.

“wrong, wrong rotten! you make me sick you weed!”

Hmm. I find this place a lot less cliquey than before, to be honest. Lots of strong, new voices and new frequent commenters.

Whenever I see the name Sobotka I think of the Wire, Season 2. Everybody hates on that season because maybe it didn’t quite reach the glorious heights of the likes of Seasons 1, 3 and especially 4. But with time and distance you come to really appreciate that season as a standalone, high quality drama. Like how a Bordeaux vintage in what was deemed to be a lesser year (eg. 1959 was early on considered not that great, especially compared with 1961) can come on later to be considered great.

Material Elvis

G Money:
pocession charge,

Thanks Po!Hope my email is decipherable.

No problem!

G Money

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Thanks Po! Hope my email is decipherable.

G Money

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Kepler62:
Hey Lowtide,

Could you do a piece on say “5 guys the Oilers could draft at 32” (your titles are obviously much better than that) — I know they could move it but would be nice to know a bit more about the prospects that could be available around that spot.

LT,

Further to this request, much like my ask from the 2015 Draft, how about the 5 possibles at each draft position…..

G Money

jimmers2,

Heh heh, I’m not sure if you’re making a stats joke or a cooking joke, but it works!

jimmers2

G Money,

One way Anova?

It undercooks!

Kepler62

Hey Lowtide,

Could you do a piece on say “5 guys the Oilers could draft at 32” (your titles are obviously much better than that) — I know they could move it but would be nice to know a bit more about the prospects that could be available around that spot.

Material Elvis

G Money:
pocession charge,

I’d likely work my schedule around the game, so it’s pretty wide open.Fri or Sat games preferred for obvious reasons, as well as those vs good teams or hated rivals.

Ok no problem. What’s your email?

G Money

Woodguy,
Jethro Tull,

So many classics.

I do all of my stats work in Python, which is in fact named after the troupe. So there are easter egg references to the various sketches embedded at various points in the language and the libraries and the documentation.

G Money

pocession charge,

I’d likely work my schedule around the game, so it’s pretty wide open. Fri or Sat games preferred for obvious reasons, as well as those vs good teams or hated rivals.

stephen sheps

G Money,

well.. to be fair I was sous chef. never ran my own brigade, but managed a couple of kitchens along the way. It was a lot of fun for a while. thankfully I retired from cooking professionally during grad school and just happily cook for myself and friends when I get the opportunity.

Woodguy,

pure gold

pocession charge,

I know, right? No to T. Johnson, Shattenkirk or Kessel. Yes to Callahan, Abdelkader and E. & J. Johnson. Strange times, but if the U.S. finishes in last, is anyone around here going to be that upset (or surprised)?

Woodguy

Jethro Tull:
Woodguy,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur5fGSBsfq8

This one of my faves.

One of mine too

Material Elvis

G Money,

I have some connections. Any game in particular?

Jethro Tull
Material Elvis

Radiusofnerdature

The discourse between a few of you over the last few days reminded me a lot of a joke someone told me recently to describe a stubborn client. “Arguing with Steve is like trying to play chess with a pigeon, he struts around, shitting on the board, knocking over all the pieces acting like he’s winning.”

Steve Smith is really KiltyMcBagPipes?

G Money

stephen sheps: If you do get it, let me know. I’ll email you some marinade recipes for pork and chicken that work really well.

Beauty! Thanks man. Professional chef, eh? Man, just so fascinating the folks we have here (elitist though they be).

On Twitter I follow @CharmingGrump, who sidelines as a chef at Packrat Louies. That’s one of the restaurants that showed up in that ‘Edmonton has world class pizza’ article a little while back, so a visit to PL is on my list of things I must do on one of my next visits to Edmonton.

So … anyone with seasons tickets at the new digs want to sell me a game? 🙂

Material Elvis

Just catching up on yesterday’s WCH rosters. Wow there are some glaring omissions. How does USA leave Tyler Johnson off the team? Reminds me of Sweden leaving Hedman off their Olympic roster in 2014. Crazy!

Woodguy

This, btw, is the best Monty Python sketch of all time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1oMhMwUbgc

G Money

stephen sheps: of course a stats man would look at a sous vide that shares the name of a statistical process ?

What choice do I have?

stephen sheps: Essentially the sous-vide is idiot-proof cooking.

Sold!

No longer in use

G Money: I’d also add that a LOT of people see this as “their” refuge from the ONs and HFs of the world, a rare place where intelligent people can talk intelligently about hockey.

I’ve yet to see a new poster with something valuable to say not be welcomed. (Welcome Shizuka!)

It’s also rare to see a poster (new or otherwise) bringing ON/HF level nonsense not get called out.

It’s irrationally protective – I’m certainly one of those guilty of it, but far from the only one – since it’s LT’s place and not ‘ours’, but if folks here stop doing that (i.e. calling out Teh Dumb and the Hot Taeks people) and that low level of discourse becomes the accepted norm, I’m pretty sure I’ll have long since high tailed it out of here. (and good riddance too, you snarky elitist bastard)

This. I probably belong to a large group of “creepers” to this site who never or rarely comment but enjoy reading LT blogs and then the comments every day. If it turned into ON or HF around here I probably wouldn’t stop in so religiously.

The discourse between a few of you over the last few days reminded me a lot of a joke someone told me recently to describe a stubborn client. “Arguing with Steve is like trying to play chess with a pigeon, he struts around, shitting on the board, knocking over all the pieces acting like he’s winning.”

stephen sheps

G Money,

of course a stats man would look at a sous vide that shares the name of a statistical process 😉

Anovas are pretty good little machines. You’ll need more than just the cooker though – you’ll also need a long, deep kitchen accessory known as a ‘hotel pan’ as well as a vacuum sealer to properly seal your bags.

The great thing about the sous vide is that you literally set and forget and will never dry out your food. Wet marinades are the ideal and you can vacuum-seal your marinade & meat in bags, cook them right away or freeze the pre-marinated stuff.

It’s low temp. cooking for long periods of time. even if you are 30-40 minutes late pulling chicken from the water, you will likely not overcook it in the same way that you can dry roasting, grilling or pan-searing.

And with something like steak or lamb, (obviously not a major concern for you), if you leave it too long, you’ll obviously cook it to a higher temperature, but even mid-well sous-vide steak is tender as opposed to mid-well grilled steak, which, while not quite shoe leather, is still often tougher and grainer than one necessarily wants, unless of course medium-well is your thing.

Essentially the sous-vide is idiot-proof cooking.

If you do get it, let me know. I’ll email you some marinade recipes for pork and chicken that work really well.

Woodguy

Here’s Chia’s reasoning for trading Sobatka:

“He’s a wrecking ball, a real competitive kid,” Chiarelli said. “We acquired Greg Campbell [earlier this week] and we’ve got some other centers coming in. Vlady, on the wing and with his size, it’s not that he has difficulty, but he’s had trouble adjusting. I talked to Vlady and he’s happy that we’re giving him a chance somewhere else. He’s a good kid and I like the way he plays, and moving to another organization he’ll get a better chance.”

Source: http://espn.go.com/boston/nhl/news/story?id=5332015

Material Elvis

Woodguy:
I hope you don’t me going OT so early in the thread LT, but the threads from the last few days have amused me and my muse spit this out this morning:

Here’s a thread that would happen if this was a blog about birds:

Woodguy:“6/10 of the most formidable birds of prey are eagles, 2 are vultures and 2 are owls.”Source: http://listverse.com/2010/04/21/top-10-formidable-birds-of-prey/

Gmoney : “Cool.I ran all their hunting data and if we want to maximize kills/hr we should concentrate on the eagles”

Woodguy: “That sounds reasonable, we should probably have at least one vulture and owl as well, need those right handers”

Kinger_Oil: “Penguins are killers too.I don’t know why you guys think we need eagles, owls and vultures and ignore penguins”

Woodguy: “Well, we’re concentrating on overall effectiveness so while penguins do hunt fish if you put them up next to eagles, owls and vultures you are making yourself shorthanded”

Oilspill: “I can tell by your post you’ve never even been a bird so you can’t have an opinion”

Gmoney: “I have all data on the last 15,636 kills by birds of prey in 3 different regions”

Oilspill: “You’re still not a bird so it doesn’t matter”

Kinger_Oil: “Look, I found a case when a penguin killed a seal.You guys are blind and dogmatic”

Kiltymcbagpipes: “how is the Eurasian Eagle Owl even on this list?I saw one once and all it did was sit in a tree”

Gmoney: “Well over the last 2 years they have proven to be very efficient killers”

Kiltymcbagpipes: “Phhht. Watch the forest”

Randomposter: “there are lies, damned lies and statistics” (pats self on back because he’s sure no one has ever said that before on the blog)

Woodguy: “Guys, we are talking about what is optimal here, you should always strive for that”

Oilspill: “I can tell by your post that you’ve never even eaten a mouse.Get over yourself”

Lowetide: “If we are going to have 10 birds of prey, we need balance and should always take the best available eagle.Don’t forget that Osprey and Falcons can be very effective, we just need to wait 5 years before making a judgement”

Kiltymcbagpipes : “James Audubon never even mentionedEurasion Eagle Owls, do you think you’re smarter than James Audubon?”

Steve Smith: “I don’t think “smarter” means what you think its means”

Bruce McCurdy: “While I’ve always preferred the Harpy Eagle ever since I watched them back in the 60’s, here’s a link to David Staples piece where he watched a Bald Eagle for 2 hours and declares them superior to everything and mentions that Roger Neilson saw a Bald Eagle once”http://WhyMyOpinonOf50DataPointsIsSuperiorToYourOpinonOf15000DataPointsBecauseISawMine.com

I just stumbled across this gem (I read the comments backwards). Well done!

Material Elvis

mustang:
If I was Taylor Hall, I never play for team Canada at the worlds again.

I doubt that choice would make you feel good (i.e. not doing something that is personally rewarding/fun out of spite). Take the high road, use the snub as motivation to improve your game, prove the other guy wrong.

Woodguy

Andy Strickland ‏@andystrickland May 26
Can anticipate an official announcement regarding Vladimir Sobotka return to #NHL soon. Spent last 2 seasons in #KHL #stlblues

Now there’s a C I’ve lusted after since he was a Bruin.

Word is that STL might be looking to trade him.

Would be perfect as 3C on the Oilers. Only downside is that he’s LH and they could use a RHC for the 3 spot.

Another thing is that Chiarelli traded him from BOS for David Warsofsky which was kinda of a strange trade seeing as Sobatka, while being only 5’10” was a Chia type “heavy” player.

Warsofsky is a 5’8″ Dman who is the rare Group 6 UFA this summer after finishing the season with NJD who picked him up off waivers from PIT.

G Money

stephen sheps,

I’m the king of overcooking chicken and pork (not a lamb fan, funnily enough).

So the idea of a cooking technique where the ‘overcook’ threshold is measured in hours is fascinating to me – even over and above the idea that it produces results (supposedly) on par with many hours of brining. (which is what made me think of it)

There’s a cooker I see on sale now and again (Anova I think?) and wondering if I should consider it …

stephen sheps

G Money,

yes to sous vide – though it is counter to what most professional chefs (as I was in my pre-academic life), I don’t love the method but I have definitely used it my fair share. It works great for lamb. I also quite like it for ribs. But there are methods and techniques I definitely prefer.

What would you like to know?

Jethro Tull,

enjoy your afternoon! sounds ideal.

Woodguy,
old man talk you say? something something onion belt?

G Money

For the last few days, I’ve been very good about sitting down in my office at my megatastic new statsing PC (Taylor Haul) and working on this enormous data project with WG.

I also have a list of upgrades and fixes I need to make to my baseline data collection and analysis programs, that is as long as LT’s patience.

Also some backordered articles for BLH I need to finish.

You turkeys keep distracting me!!

G Money

Jethro Tull: Well, the sun has finally come out, and I’ve had two chickens brining in salt, honey and beer since last night. (If you’ve never brined, once you’ve done it, you will never dry roast anything ever again, book it.) Time to fire up the Q, pop a top, maybe throw a few darts and hit shuffle on the stereo.

Since food is very high on the hot topics list here (after hockey, stats, how much of an uncompromising asshole G Money is, and music; and tied with whiskey, wine, coffee, and the Aussie hurdler babe):

anyone tried the sous vide method?

[also, well done on the bird reference, I think yours is the first to use chickens in a food context?]

Jethro Tull

stephen sheps:
Jethro Tull,

so much potential with that line. think of all of the puns and jokes in poor taste that could have been made.

I’ve always felt that inside every adult male beats the heart of a 7 year old boy.

heh heh heh, dry yak poo. heh heh

My young sons provide a delightful smokescreen to my purility.

Well, the sun has finally come out, and I’ve had two chickens brining in salt, honey and beer since last night. (If you’ve never brined, once you’ve done it, you will never dry roast anything ever again, book it.) Time to fire up the Q, pop a top, maybe throw a few darts and hit shuffle on the stereo.

Enjoy the rest of your afternoon peeps!

PS: New Posters: Just imagine nearly everyone here as Clint Eastwood from Gran Torino – you’ll love them eventually. Or become them. I realise as i write this, this isn’t exactley an indictment to stay.

Stay classy to one another!

Woodguy

kinger_OIL:
NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

He also didn’t have time to put in a Fog of Warts wall comment either!

On my best day I’m an 1/8 of the writer that Deadmanwaking is.

Woodguy

stephen sheps,

Imposing for new posters might be the best way to describe it, but it can be just as tricky to re-establish a voice among the many, even for longtime posters who come and go.

I agree that it can be imposing for new posters, but I honestly think its less so today than before.

I forgot coachpb (Derek Zona) was a regular poster as was Jon Willis.

It was an intimidating place and the roster of regulars these days have much more patience than before imo.

Could just be old man talk (uphill both ways back in the day), but I believe it to be true.

Woodguy

G Money,

The most important part of the L/R thing is the evidence that:

“Even the best LHD have better results with mediocre RHD than with other good LHD”

That’s it right there.

stephen sheps

Woodguy:
stephen sheps,

For the most part I tend to agree, but while some of the vitriol has been cut down, it’s become a lot more clique-y in the last 18 months or so,

That’s funny because I think LT’s place is more wide open than ever.

I’ve never found it clique-y, but imposing for new posters.

I was called wrong by Dennis, Tyler, RiversQ, Ben Massey, etc. etc. and it forced me to re-examine what I was saying and come back with evidence.

It made me a much better poster.

For the record, Kinger_Oil has been posting here longer than me.

I was still lurking when he was posting.

clique-y might have been the wrong word – just feels like it’s harder to have the wide open conversations these days. Today seems to be the exception rather than the rule, in no small part due to your bird-post. (Seriously it’s still making me laugh).

All of those old posters used to push me, too, despite the fact that I would never try the math-y analysis, as you well know. I wouldn’t be working on a hockey book I don’t think if it weren’t for the conversations we’ve had here.(Admittedly though, writing about hockey is way more fun than my previous research. Israel/Palestine is a goddamn political and emotional minefield).

I miss Massey a lot, actually, and that entire first wave of Copper n Blue writers, though maybe it’s because they were the only team foolish enough let me indulge in my own maniac philosophically based analysis outside of my own (mostly defunct) blog.

Imposing for new posters might be the best way to describe it, but it can be just as tricky to re-establish a voice among the many, even for longtime posters who come and go.

Woodguy

All,

Here’s how it always has gone. I was poster A in this scenario a lot when I first started posting.

Poster A; “X is true so player 1 is shit/good”

Poster B: “Here is some evidence that you are wrong”

Poster A: “Well I don’t believe your evidence because you never played/GMs cannot be wrong/ I don’t give a shit about your evidence”

Poster B: “Come up with some evidence that you are right or please stop talking”

Poster A: “I know I’m right because I watch the games/found this outlier in the data/a NHL GM said so”

Poster B: “I watch more hockey than you, GMs are human and outliters exist and that doesn’t discount the large amount of evidence that you are wrong”

Poster A: “You are an asshole/elitist/cliquey”

Poster B: “No, I just don’t value any opinion without proof”

Poster A: “The fact that you won’t accept my assertions without evidence means that you think I’m stupid, don’t understand stats or just don’t get it and that makes you bad because there can be more than one conclusion”

Poster B: “Just bring some evidence to move the discussion forward or stop clogging up the thread”

G Money

Woodguy: For the record, Kinger_Oil has been posting here longer than me.

I was still lurking when he was posting.

That’s funny, I didn’t realize that. I was still lurking when you were posting!