RE 15-16 ADAM CLENDENING: PULL ME THROUGH

Don’t tell Adam Clendening, but we have seen him before. If you are of a certain vintage, then the Adam Clendening’s have really piled up over the years. These players—the fringe types—are a big part of why I am a fan of sports. Oh sure, I love the brilliants and the supernovas, but the everyman who must work harder, pray harder, sweat more—bleed more—well, that is where the real human moments happen on an NHL team. (Pulling Me Through)

ADAM CLENDENING 15-16

  • 5×5 points per 60: 1.07 (2nd among regular D)
  • 5×4 points per 60: nil (in 21 minutes)
  • Corsi for 5×5 %: 47.9
  • Corsi for 5×5 % REL: -6.1
  • Qual Comp: third pairing
  • Qual Team: third pairing
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 32 shots/3.1%
  • Boxcars: 20GP, 1-5-6 .3

WAR-ON-ICE PLAYER CHARTS

WAR ON ICE D SLEDGE

Clendening appears in the area we might call the Soft Parade, although not quite as soft as the still pond Brad Hunt lived in. He scored well at 5×5 in his games, but the possession numbers were a concern.

  1. What are his best assets? Clendening is a skilled puck mover at the minor league level. In the AHL, Clendening averages 51 points per 82 games. In his first 50 NHL games, he has 11 points (under 800 minutes), one of his two goals on the power play.
  2. Does that compare to Brad Hunt? He is a little below Hunt (56 points per 82 AHL games), but to my eye, Clendening has a wider range of skills.
  3. Can he help offensively? In his 684 5×5 NHL minutes, he is 0.70points per 60. That implies he could fill a role if offense is the only criteria. The power play numbers are less impressive, but no team has given him the job for an extended period.
  4. How is he with the man advantage? He has three power-play points, in 67 minutes, over four teams in two seasons. That’s 2.68 per 60. But small sample and four teams. Lordy.
  5. Can he play defense? I think so, yes—at least the soft parade. In his two seasons (with FOUR teams) in the NHL, Clendening has a 48.7 Corsi for percentage at 5×5. If a team asked him to that job at 24 (his age next year) he could probably fill the role adequately.
  6. Could he play higher? Well, that brings us to the elephant in the room. In an era where skating is vital, Clendening is not a fast train.
  7. Is it enough to keep him from a long career? We don’t have the answer, beyond the fact his numbers in the first 50 games do not DQ him from having a career. Push comes to shove, I will say he won’t have a long career.
  8. How old is he? Clendening is 23, turns 24 in November. He is eight months older than Jordan Oesterle.
  9. He is righty? Does that help? It may. The evidence suggests a six percent possession swing (if L-R is followed) and that’s an enormous total—Edmonton could be a contender sooner if they can recover even half of that number.
  10. How many players are ahead of him? Tough question. Very few righthanded blue, and those men (Mark Fayne, Eric Gryba) don’t have the same skill set.
  11. He is solo? Once the team dealt Justin Schultz, yes.
  12. The Oilers will procure a better skater? Yes, and someone who can play bigger minutes, a more established player.
  13. What would be an ideal solution? Dan Boyle as a younger man.
  14. Seriously. Yes! Seriously. In San Jose, McLellan ran specific breakouts (described via Fear the Fin here) that we discussed here. It worked like a charm, if a charm was a sling shot.
  15. Clendening works as a No.8/first callup? I think he is worth considering on a two-way deal, yes. That is different than saying he should make the club, and Edmonton must aim higher for their NHL roster. That said, how many RHD can you add in one summer? Clendening in the top 4D in Bakersfield as a callup option is worth a chat.
  16. If you had to bet money, how much would you put on Clendening have a 250+ NHL career? Not a lot, suspect Chiarelli will find someone more dynamic—and Clendening has used up four of his nine lives. PC would have seen him in college, remembered him, and made the claim. He was also a pretty high pick (Round 2) so is famous that way.
  17. Are there similar players who have made it? Every year fringe NHL players grab a job and hang around for a season or more. Patrick Maroon played over 350 AHL games before catching on, but he has played 205 NHL games since the lockout. These players need to keep working, make progress, and they need a little luck.
  18. Clendening getting grabbed by Edmonton was good luck? Could be, yes. I don’t think the 20 games he played with the Oilers was enough to make the call either way, and I don’t know that he will get a chance here. That said, he is more famous as a player than one year ago (part of a pretty big trade) and you never know.
  19. Why this song? It’s about finding a partner, so this was always going to a defenseman. It would fit better with a long-time pairing but the Oilers don’t have any. I like the stanza about hope, kind of how I feel about all these gents when they get sent away, from Bill Speer through Adam Clendening.

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121 Responses to "RE 15-16 ADAM CLENDENING: PULL ME THROUGH"

  1. theDjdj says:

    Wouldn’t mind if we signed him to a bargain basement two-way deal. Gives us downside insurance in case of injuries or a fruitless offseason. You’d imagine he’d be pretty desperate to stay with one team at this point. I could see him being useful in a bottom pairing offense-oriented way like Penguin star Justin Schultz.

  2. Klima's_Bucket says:

    I brought up Dylan DeMelo from San Jose in the last post, and I’ll bring him up again here.
    For those of you into the numbers, look into him and tell me what you think.
    The Sharks are missing a few draft picks, perhaps the Oilers could try to trade a prospect lefty and a pick for the upside of DeMelo’s right hand shot.

  3. godot10 says:

    Which prospect’s development do you suggest the OIlers eff up by signing Clendenning? Count people. Count.

    Klefbom new rightie #1
    Sekera new rightie #2
    Nurse Davidson
    Fayne

    Reinhart Osterle
    Simpson Musil
    Laleggia Betker

    And this is without signing Gryba.

    There is no effing room at the inn for a non-prospect like Clendenning. Those top 4 in Bakersfield have to be given the push because they are all still prospects.

  4. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    LT, wasn’t sure if this has been posted or passed along. Friedman telling us Mem Cup means Tkachuk is #4 or higher and that it is in play. (What we all suspected, but now from a reliable talking head).

    http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/friedman-tkachuk-makes-oilers-top-draft-pick-hot-commodity/

  5. AsiaOil says:

    Paid nothing to acquire him and he’s RFA – so it was a no lose test drive opportunity. That said – he didn’t impress me at all. A two-way deal is fine – or if they saw something I didn’t – a league minimum deal one way for one year (Davidson contract). He’s our 2nd best RHD that is under control (that’s a scary thought) so any depth is better than Fayne and zero, which is basically what we have now.

  6. knighttown says:

    Never have more words been spent on Adam Clendenning. “He’s fine as a #8 defenseman” seems like a fine place to leave this discussion. So bland.

    Now on to the firestorm over handedness I’ve stayed out of for the past few weeks. The irony is, all this time spent on optimal lineups is wasted breath. “Life” will happen by October 10th (or maybe before the season starts) and we won’t once ice this optimal lineup.

    Get depth at defense. Was it 13 defenders we iced last year?

    Get talent at defense and sacrifice talent up front. Find fast 25 year old forwards who cost nothing.
    Sid Crosby plays with Conor Sheary. Geno Malkin plays with Barry Rust. Have them forecheck, backcheck and forget McDavid winning the Art Ross. It’s about GF/GA and these types over e best GF/GA per dollar in the NHL.

    Think about your 6-7-8-9 defensemen as much as you do your second line. They are on the ice (in a season) as much and therefore have as much chance to impact a game.

    If I had my druthers I’d spend 30 million on defense in a 72 million dollar cap world. A little known secret is that your number 3 defenseman will be on the ice more than your #1 forward. Your number 4 defenseman will be on more than your number 2 forward. Your number 5 on more than your number 3 forward and so on.

    Think of that for a second. In a season Eric Gryba (types) is on the ice as much or more than Ryan Nugent Hopkins.

    Move heaven and earth so that your payroll hierarchy matches time on ice. In a few years…
    1. Subban
    2. McDavid
    3. McDonough
    4. Hall
    5. Sekera
    6. Klefbom
    7. Draisatl
    8. Nurse
    9. Davidson
    10. Forward #4

  7. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Also for “Who” and the others worrying about them, NMCs may just be “immune” from the expansion draft after all. That’s huge if so.

    Columbus gets bailed out big time.

    And it means you can go ahead and sign Demers to a contract with one in case it gets the deal done (never been a fan of handing them out, though. That’s what got Chia in trouble in Boston as well and he seems to be willing to do it so far here as well).

    Pierre LeBrun ✔ ‎@Real_ESPNLeBrun
    And while Daly wouldn’t say, presuming therefore that players with full no-moves can’t be exposed. Looks like they’ll be immune to exp draft
    3:15 PM – 30 May 2016

  8. Alpine says:

    Staples just said on twitter that Tkachuk would go ahead of Nuge or Yak if he was in their draft. Man, when that guy goes in on a player, he goes IN.

  9. godot10 says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    I brought up Dylan DeMelo from San Jose in the last post, and I’ll bring him up again here.
    For those of you into the numbers, look into him and tell me what you think.
    The Sharks are missing a few draft picks, perhaps the Oilers could try to trade a prospect lefty and a pick for the upside of DeMelo’s right hand shot.

    If you bring in two right D better than Fayne, and then trade Fayne, sure. It is probably not easy to trade Fayne. If all goes to plan this summer, Davidson or Fayne will be the 3rd pairing RD.

    Otherwise the numbers don’t really work, UNLESS Chiarelli fails to get two top 4D. If he only gets one, well then there is room, but that means the summer will have been a failure, and another year of McDavid’s ELC will have been wasted.

  10. AsiaOil says:

    Come on Benning – do something dumb – we know you want Tkachuk 🙂

    If Columbus picks someone other than Puljujarvi is sets up a potential deal with WPG who likely takes the other Finn at #2. I would imagine they could be interested in getting both guys. We have #4 and too many young LHD. They have extra RHD and #22 (from CHI). Sounds like the building blocks of a deal.

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    LT, wasn’t sure if this has been posted or passed along. Friedman telling us Mem Cup means Tkachuk is #4 or higher and that it is in play. (What we all suspected, but now from a reliable talking head).

    http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/friedman-tkachuk-makes-oilers-top-draft-pick-hot-commodity/

  11. Ducey says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    I brought up Dylan DeMelo from San Jose in the last post, and I’ll bring him up again here.
    For those of you into the numbers, look into him and tell me what you think.
    The Sharks are missing a few draft picks, perhaps the Oilers could try to trade a prospect lefty and a pick for the upside of DeMelo’s right hand shot.

    He is a 6th rounder, so he is not famous. He has to clear waivers next year. He looks to have played 3rd pairing minutes behind Burns and Braun.

    He had exactly zero even strength points last year in 550 mins and only 4 in 45 games.

    There is no way I would trade a prospect and a pick for him.

    Is he any different than Clendening? His CF% is better but he was playing sheltered minutes on a strong team.

    David Musil might be an equivalent/ overpay?

    I think I would just wait for him to show up on the waiver wire and see where things are at.

  12. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    AsiaOil,

    Is that a “thing?” Ie. “both Finns,” like “both twins” 20 years ago?

    I mean, is there some actual connection other than nationality? Could you imagine drafting based on nationality?

    “Kyle we need BOTH Arizona born guys.” Let’s add #4 to #1. “Say Pete, how about Morgan Reilly for #4? We need both ‘Zonans.”

  13. Water Fire says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Also for “Who” and the others worrying about them, NMCs may just be “immune” from the expansion draft after all. That’s huge if so.

    Columbus gets bailed out big time.

    And it means you can go ahead and sign Demers to a contract with one in case it gets the deal done (never been a fan of handing them out, though. That’s what got Chia in trouble in Boston as well and he seems to be willing to do it so far here as well).

    Pierre LeBrun ‎@Real_ESPNLeBrun
    And while Daly wouldn’t say, presuming therefore that players with full no-moves can’t be exposed. Looks like they’ll be immune to exp draft
    3:15 PM – 30 May 2016

    Does that mean you don’t have to protect them, or you are forced to. I’m thinking the latter.

  14. Ducey says:

    godot10:
    Which prospect’s development do you suggest the OIlers eff up by signing Clendenning?Count people.Count.

    Klefbom new rightie #1
    Sekera new rightie #2
    Nurse Davidson
    Fayne

    Reinhart Osterle
    Simpson Musil
    Laleggia Betker

    And this is without signing Gryba.

    There is no effing room at the inn for a non-prospect like Clendenning.Those top 4 in Bakersfield have to be given the push because they are all still prospects.

    Well, LT and Sons, Ltd. keeps trying to trade Nurse and Reinhart (and maybe even Oscar), and Musil could be picked off waivers. Plus at least one of the Oilers D will be hit by a meteor. Things can change in a hurry.

  15. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Ducey: Well, LT and Sons, Ltd. keeps trying to trade Nurse and Reinhart, and Musil could be picked off waivers. Plus at least one of the Oilers D will be hit by a meteor. Things can change in a hurry.

    Where has LT ever said he wants to trade Reinhart or Nurse. He merely discussed the possibility. I have never heard him advocate for trading away a player because he wants that.

  16. Ducey says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Where has LT ever said he wants to trade Reinhart or Nurse. He merely discussed the possibility. I have never heard him advocate for trading away a player because he wants that.

    Yes. I know. I was just raising it the same vein as LT hates Smid, because its always a topic of discussion and one of the options he raises.

  17. AsiaOil says:

    Both great players – friends – big Scandinavian community in WPG area – history with Finns – all plus factors for keeping elite players long-term in a less than prime locale.

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    AsiaOil,

    Is that a “thing?” Ie. “both Finns,” like “both twins” 20 years ago?

    I mean, is there some actual connection other than nationality? Could you imagine drafting based on nationality?

    “Kyle we needBOTH Arizona born guys.” Let’s add #4 to #1. “Say Pete, how about Morgan Reilly for #4? We need both ‘Zonans.”

  18. G Money says:

    AsiaOil: He’s our 2nd best RHD that is under control

    You are correct, and also OMFG.

  19. Магия 10 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    Also for “Who” and the others worrying about them, NMCs may just be “immune” from the expansion draft after all. That’s huge if so.

    Columbus gets bailed out big time.

    And it means you can go ahead and sign Demers to a contract with one in case it gets the deal done (never been a fan of handing them out, though. That’s what got Chia in trouble in Boston as well and he seems to be willing to do it so far here as well).

    Pierre LeBrun ‎@Real_ESPNLeBrun
    And while Daly wouldn’t say, presuming therefore that players with full no-moves can’t be exposed. Looks like they’ll be immune to exp draft
    3:15 PM – 30 May 2016

    Still need to know if those unexposed NMC use up the protected count. And if so what about expiring NMC?

  20. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Ducey: Yes. I know. I was just raising it the same vein as LT hates Smid, because its always a topic of discussion and one of the options he raises.

    Gotcha. without the “why do you hate” meme I couldn’t connect the reference. My bad.

  21. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Магия 10: Still need to know if those unexposed NMC use up the protected count. And if so what about expiring NMC?

    Columbus people seem to think it’s going to be a layered system. Only full NMCs need to be protected. Partials do not.

    AsiaOil:
    Both great players – friends – big Scandinavian community in WPG area – history with Finns – all plus factors for keeping elite players long-term in a less than prime locale.

    You know as well as I do that Finns aren’t Scandinavian–they are Nordic. Put down the Daily News! 😉
    Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

  22. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    P.S. Under the current rules the Oilers very much want the expansion draft to be as soon as possible. It’s setting up to favour established teams. (No surprise as those teams’ owners wield the most power).

    Also–I feel a small bit of vindication for calling from the start that the Cap would be flat this year, even when the NHL was “projecting” an increase. I don’t feel good about it, though, because I know the circumstances surrounding this result have been painful for many here.

  23. G Money says:

    Ducey,

    P.S. Hey Ducey – there are others here to whom I’ve been rude where I think it’s fully deserved. A few threads back, though, I was unjustly rude to you, and I apologize.

  24. godot10 says:

    The good Justin Schultz shows up early.

  25. G Money says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: You know as well as I do that Finns aren’t Scandinavian–they are Nordic.

    I’m pretty sure I read on Zero Hedge that the main problem for the Finns is that they aren’t Austrian. 🙂

  26. Lowetide says:

    Speaking of, I have decided that the rude portion of this blog has to be cut back a lot. So, and I know this will be wildly unpopular, expect outages, deleted posts and timeouts. If it means people have to go, I am sorry for it. That said, the overwhelming response I have received since Saturday tells me that we have to return to heavy moderation.

    All have been warned, so no bitching.

  27. russ99 says:

    godot10:
    The good Justin Schultz shows up early.

    That was a heck of a play by Justin, his defensive play may still be a liability but he’s great on the rush.

    And then they added a second, go Pens!

  28. Lowetide says:

    russ99: That was a heck of a play by Justin, his defensive play may still be a liability but he’s great on the rush.

    And then they added a second, go Pens!

    Inside the offensive zone with the puck on his stick, Schultz can do a lot of things. The Sharks look horrawful.

  29. jake70 says:

    Man, Schultz must feel like it was years ago since the trade from Edmonton, getting an assist in the final of SC.

  30. godot10 says:

    The Penguins have decided that light speed is the way to play, and Staples has gone all “strong, muscular, thighs” on Mr. Super-Slo-Mo.

  31. Lowetide says:

    godot10:
    The Penguins have decided that light speed is the way to play, and Staples has gone all “strong, muscular, thighs” on Mr. Super-Slo-Mo.

    The one thing I believe we can say is that holding the Memorial Cup in the west gets us all excited 🙂

  32. Woodguy says:

    It was good that Chia took a free look at Clendenning.

    His numbers suggested that he had some good points to his game.

    Now that he’s had a look it will also be good when Chia doesn’t retain him this summer.

  33. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Ducey,

    Thanks for the reply, I wasn’t aware of his waiver status.

  34. frjohnk says:

    I haven’t chimed in on the L-R Dman thingy but I’ve noticed something that has not been talked about , or at least I missed it if mentioned.

    In this playoffs, I’ve noticed many teams With an offensive zone faceoff the left handed shooting Dman will start on the right side and the right handed shooting Dman will start on the left side. They eventually switch over if they lose possession.

    Both teams tonight have done it.

    Polak and Dillion
    Burns and Martin

    Letang and his partner , might have been Maata
    Schultz and his partner.

    Something to keep an eye on.

    I can’t remember if the Oilers did this. I wasn’t looking for it either, though.

  35. theDjdj says:

    Lowetide,

    Lowetide, Pens have a player, Justin Schultz. Puck moving offensive RH defenseman. Great skater. Young enough for our core. Good shot. Comes off contract this year. Think we target him in Free Agency?

  36. Lowetide says:

    theDjdj:
    Lowetide,

    Lowetide, Pens have a player, Justin Schultz. Puck moving offensive defenseman. Great skater. Young enough for our core. Good shot. Comes off contract this year. Think we target him in Free Agency?

    Haha. If the Oilers could play him 13 minutes a night, with the kind of mature forward group the Penguins have, it would be a fine idea.

  37. theDjdj says:

    Lowetide: Haha. If the Oilers could play him 13 minutes a night, with the kind of mature forward group the Penguins have, it would be a fine idea.

    Seriously though, what do you think he gets re-signed at? If you think he gets re-signed at all.

  38. Lowetide says:

    theDjdj: Seriously though, what do you think he gets re-signed at? If you think he gets re-signed at all.

    There is zero chance that contract gets extended, so he either signs a lesser deal with the Penguins or goes to free agency. Make no mistake, Schultz’s value has been badly staggered, but he probably gets a shorter deal for decent coin. Despite what people are saying, suspect he will play a protected role again next year and beyond.

  39. AsiaOil says:

    Dad just gave us the “don’t make me stop this car” talk – so I’ll be careful 🙂

    Finland can be considered geographically Scandinavia in that it is – in part – on the Scandinavian peninsula. Politically it was also part of the Kingdom of Sweden in the not too distant past. Linguistically Finnish is pretty unique however with likely origins east of the Urals and they have an abundance of suspicious Siberian genes. Swedish is spoken in Finland – and vise versa – and the whole thing is pretty blurry as displayed by our old friend Karl Magnus Svensson Pääjärvi. Cool people (literally and figuratively) no matter what they call themselves 🙂

    G Money: I’m pretty sure I read on Zero Hedge that the main problem for the Finns is that they aren’t Austrian.

  40. wheatnoil says:

    frjohnk:
    I haven’t chimed in on the L-R Dman thingy but I’ve noticed something that has not been talked about , or at least I missed it if mentioned.

    In this playoffs, I’ve noticed many teams With an offensive zone faceoff the left handed shooting Dman will start on the right side and the righthanded shooting Dman will start on the left side. They eventually switch over if they lose possession.

    Both teams tonight have done it.

    Polak and Dillion
    Burns and Martin

    Letang and his partner , might have been Maata
    Schultz and his partner.

    Something to keep an eye on.

    I can’t remember if the Oilers did this. I wasn’t looking for it either, though.

    The Oilers did this a lot this season. The L and R d-men regularly switched sides on the offensive zone face-off. I assume so that a face-off won straight back had less chance slipping between them as their sticks would be in the middle.

  41. LadiesloveSmid says:

    How would one value the 4th pick versus Spurgeon? say if MIN who’s in the neighbourhood for a #1C, are huge fans of Dubois

  42. Lowetide says:

    AsiaOil:
    Dad just gave us the “don’t make me stop this car” talk – so I’ll be careful :)

    Finland can be considered geographically Scandinavia in that it is – in part – on the Scandinavian peninsula. Politically it was also part of the Kingdom of Sweden in the not too distant past. Linguistically Finnish is pretty unique however with likely origins east of the Urals and they have an abundance of suspicious Siberian genes. Swedish is spoken in Finland – and vise versa – and the whole thing is pretty blurry as displayed by our old friend Karl Magnus Svensson Pääjärvi. Cool people (literally and figuratively) no matter what they call themselves :)

    Interesting. I always wondered how Juha Widing—a Swede—was born in a Finnish city made out of vowels in 1947. Not that big a deal?

  43. DRFNsuperstar says:

    There might be a few too many Benning jokes going on right now, nobody knows if Chia was in on Gudbranson maybe Florida wouldn’t take Yak and the oilers second…speaking of Canucks I was thinking of a scary move, what if Nashville traded for the Sedins. They could afford both.

  44. Lowetide says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    How would one value the 4th pick versus Spurgeon? say if MIN who’s in the neighbourhood for a #1C, are huge fans of Dubois

    Someone mentioned Schneider for No. 9, as a line in the sand. I would rate Schneider as a better player than Spurgeon, but that is a tough comparison.

  45. Oilspill says:

    So much is the other 4. Notice most on rush chances are saved by a great backcheck. Great defensive plays on both side BUT they are made by responsible forwards.

    godot10:
    The good Justin Schultz shows up early.

  46. Water Fire says:

    Lowetide:
    Speaking of, I have decided that the rude portion of this blog has to be cut back a lot. So, and I know this will be wildly unpopular, expect outages, deleted posts and timeouts. If it means people have to go, I am sorry for it. That said, the overwhelming response I have received since Saturday tells me that we have to return to heavy moderation.

    All have been warned, so no bitching.

    Killjoy.

    That isn’t bitching, is it?

  47. G Money says:

    The Sharks are my designated ‘second’ team (both my sisters live in the Bay area, along with a bunch of my friends from my CompSci days, so I visit regularly, and take in a live Sharks game now and then).

    But I’m completely uninvolved in the outcome of this game and series, as it has been for most of the playoffs.

    The Oilers season was so bad it has apparently drained my enjoyment of hockey.

  48. frjohnk says:

    wheatnoil: The Oilers did this a lot this season. The L and R d-men regularly switched sides on the offensive zone face-off. I assume so that a face-off won straight back had less chance slipping between them as their sticks would be in the middle.

    Also a better chance of getting a shot off via a one timer if the offensive team wins the draw back and the Dman passes the puck over to the other Dman.

  49. Klima's_Bucket says:

    If the Oilers swing and miss out on Demers, does it make much sense to sign the Pens Reverend Lovejoy to a 2 year deal???

  50. Lowetide says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    If the Oilers swing and miss out on Demers, does it make much sense to sign the Pens Reverend Lovejoy to a 2 year deal???

    Not for me. If they don’t get a good feeling about Demers, suspect a draft day trade that sees one of the really good forwards heading out.

  51. frjohnk says:

    G Money:

    The Oilers season was so bad it has apparently drained my enjoyment of hockey.

    You think you have it bad?

    Think of us fans who actually WATCH the games. 🙂

  52. G Money says:

    frjohnk,

    What’s a ‘game’? Is that where they start a new spreadsheet?

  53. Woodguy says:

    Starting Dmen for both teams tonight:

    SJS
    Vlasic LH – Braun RH
    Martin LH – Burns RH
    Dillon LH – Polak RH

    PIT
    Dumoulin LH – Letang RH
    Matta LH – Lovejoy RH
    Cole LH – Schultz RH

    I’m sure that that’s just a coincidence though.

  54. Woodguy says:

    G Money:
    Woodguy,

    C-

    Only in my 400 level classes.

  55. Lowetide says:

    G Money:
    The Sharks are my designated ‘second’ team (both my sisters live in the Bay area, along with a bunch of my friends from my CompSci days, so I visit regularly, and take in a live Sharks game now and then).

    But I’m completely uninvolved in the outcome of this game and series, as it has been for most of the playoffs.

    The Oilers season was so bad it has apparently drained my enjoyment of hockey.

    That’s awful. It happened for me in baseball, have no real love for the game at all. Its bad, because that is my big connection to my Dad, who I miss a lot and baseball was my connection. I remember going to see Field of Dreams with my wife in Regina, mid-movie she is threatening to leave the theatre if I don’t stop crying. OMG, I had forgotten all about that.

  56. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy:
    Starting Dmen for both teams tonight:

    SJS
    Vlasic LH – Braun RH
    Martin LH – Burns RH
    Dillon LH – Polak RH

    PIT
    Dumoulin LH – Letang RH
    Matta LH – Lovejoy RH
    Cole LH – Schultz RH

    I’m sure that that’s just a coincidence though.

    I did see a pairing with two lefties (Martin-Dillon) for a sec, looked awkward. Dammit, its starting already!

  57. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Lowetide: with my wife in Regina, mid-movie she is threatening to leave the theatre if I don’t stop crying

    Ah, come on LT, Regina isn’t that bad…

  58. Lowetide says:

    Klima’s_Bucket: Ah, come on LT, Regina isn’t that bad…

    Haha! I loved Regina, had a tremendous time there. Oh to be young again!

  59. MrEd says:

    Woodguy,

    So Letang is a #2 and Burns is a #4?

  60. G Money says:

    Lowetide,

    Damn. Was that a team-related thing, or just happened over time?

    I’m actually finding it bizarre trying to assess my own mind state as to why I’m so disinterested. For sure it has been since the end of the season – as soon as I published my last post-game at NerdAlert, I basically just dropped everything hockey for weeks.

    Even when I started watching the playoffs again, it was so cursory. I’d have a game on most nights, but barely watching it at all.

    From years past, my wife knows it’s dangerous to even ask to change the channel when Oiler or playoff hockey [it’s an or, not an and…] (or an Esquimaux game) is on, so she did it very tentatively initially, when it was obvious my attention was elsewhere.

    Now she just changes it willy nilly. Bad precedent!

    I’m sure there’ll be some changes this summer and I’ll be full of piss and vinegar and hopes and dreams when the new season starts. Hopefully.

  61. Lowetide says:

    G Money:
    Lowetide,

    Damn.Was that a team-related thing, or just happened over time?

    I’m actually finding it bizarre trying to assess my own mind state as to why I’m so disinterested.For sure it has been since the end of the season – as soon as I published my last post-game at NerdAlert, I basically just dropped everything hockey for weeks.

    Even when I started watching the playoffs again, it was so cursory.I’d have a game on most nights, but barely watching it at all.

    From years past, my wife knows it’s dangerous to even ask to change the channel when Oiler or playoff hockey [it’s an or, not an and…] (or an Esquimaux game) is on, so she did it very tentatively initially, when it was obvious my attention was elsewhere.

    Now she just changes it willy nilly.Bad precedent!

    I’m sure there’ll be some changes this summer and I’ll be full of piss and vinegar and hopes and dreams when the new season starts.Hopefully.

    For me it started in 1994 when Steinbrenner and Selig shut it down and washed out the season, and they finished me off by killing the Expos. I cared way too much and they didn’t care at all. My wife loved it, calls 1994 the year she got her summers back!

  62. MrEd says:

    knighttown,

    This is interesting. Thanks.

  63. Woodguy says:

    MrEd:
    Woodguy,

    So Letang is a #2 and Burns is a #4?

    I always organize my Dpairs by QC and LH-RH

    Toughest minutes LH-RH
    2nds toughest LH-RH
    3rd toughest LH-RH

    Letang is a top / tough minutes RHD
    Burns is a 2nd pair RHD,

    Vlasic-Braun have been the tough minute pair on SJS for 3 years and Vlasic is an automatic for team Canada last 2 Olympics and now the World Cup.

    Burns is still an adventure in his own end and Martin has been a godsend for his game.

  64. Lowetide says:

    This series could be a classic. Double shifting Crosby should be a band name.

  65. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: I did see a pairing with two lefties (Martin-Dillon) for a sec, looked awkward. Dammit, its starting already!

    Driving the narrative is always very important.

  66. MrEd says:

    Woodguy,

    Thanks.

  67. MrEd says:

    Good game. Even on the radio.

  68. Lowetide says:

    That was a helluva game. Enjoyed it a lot.

  69. MrEd says:

    Wow:) Bonino!

  70. theDjdj says:

    If that’s the calibre of game we’re in for a classic series. I think once Sharks adjusted to the pace of Pens game their silly giveaways went away and they played themselves back into the game.

  71. Professor Q says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    AsiaOil,

    Is that a “thing?” Ie. “both Finns,” like “both twins” 20 years ago?

    I mean, is there some actual connection other than nationality? Could you imagine drafting based on nationality?

    “Kyle we needBOTH Arizona born guys.” Let’s add #4 to #1. “Say Pete, how about Morgan Reilly for #4? We need both ‘Zonans.”

    That actually has been suggested as in the works, but for the Marner reason.

  72. Professor Q says:

    I don’t know what Burns was thinking though. Rare mistake due to emotions getting out of hand, and it leads to a goal.

  73. Professor Q says:

    Lowetide:
    This series could be a classic. Double shifting Crosby should be a band name.

    The lead singer might be known for nashing their teeth, though.

  74. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Lowetide: Someone mentioned Schneider for No. 9, as a line in the sand. I would rate Schneider as a better player than Spurgeon, but that is a tough comparison.

    Would Spurgeon rate better than Barrie? Looks like he’s pushed river playing tough comp for a few years now. Doesn’t have the offence that Barrie does, though his 5v5 was pretty strong the 2 years before this. If only MIN hadn’t fallen a bit out of love with Brodin. Edmonton boy, too!

  75. Woodguy says:

    Hitchcock signs one year extension.

    https://twitter.com/jprutherford/status/737478633086820352

    I wonder if he was the last domino that CGY and ANA were waiting for?

  76. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Woodguy,

    Carlyle reportedly interviewed a second time in Calgary. *crosses fingers*

  77. MrEd says:

    Woodguy,

    Good for Tarasenko.

  78. MrEd says:

    LadiesloveSmid,

    Krueger for the Flames would be fucked.

  79. Rondo says:

    Justin Schultz 18:53 playing time

  80. MrEd says:

    Rondo,

    Luck. Weird thing.

  81. who says:

    Lowetide: For me it started in 1994 when Steinbrenner and Selig shut it down and washed out the season, and they finished me off by killing the Expos. I cared way too much and they didn’t care at all. My wife loved it, calls 1994 the year she got her summers back!

    Wow, LT you may have been as big an Expo fan as me. Didn’t think that was possible. Never even watch a game anymore. When the Expos left I completely lost interest.
    Maybe that is why I have started following the Oilers. I see a lot of similarities between this team and the mid 70’s Expos. Lots of high end young talent, but a history of losing and not enough depth at the major league level yet.
    It’s also why I preach patience when so many are desperate for quick fixes. And yes I know it’s been 10 years already. I just don’t think this team is at the stage yet where they should be dealing young talent or draft picks for expensive veteran players. For instance I think the #4 for Spurgeon suggested in this thread is a terrible idea. Add to what you have already and give the youth time to mature.

  82. MrEd says:

    Clendening: No more than a 2-way. Pure depth. Useful.

  83. Lowetide says:

    who: Wow, LT you may have been as big an Expo fan as me. Didn’t think that was possible. Never even watch a game anymore. When the Expos left I completely lost interest.
    Maybe that is why I have started following the Oilers. I see a lot of similarities between this team and the mid 70’s Expos. Lots of high end young talent, but a history of losing and not enough depth at the major league level yet.
    It’s also why I preach patience when so many are desperate for quick fixes. And yes I know it’s been 10 years already. I just don’t think this team is at the stage yet where they should be dealing young talent or draft picks for expensive veteran players. For instance I think the #4 for Spurgeon suggested in this thread is a terrible idea. Add to what you have already and give the youth time to mature.

    Oh man, I loved the Expos. And yes, this feels like that Expos team, but they need to add Perez, Cash and Speier to the starters.

  84. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    If Finns are Scandinavians, they are by the same token that Canadians are Americans because we are from the American continent. Most Finns I know, and from what I understand the healthy majority of them, will tell you they aren’t Scandinavian, but they are Nordic.

  85. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Of all the chores I know, mowing the lawn strikes me as the most American. Of course, it’s not exclusive to the US. Canada has lawns. England, too. “Lawn” is such an English-sounding word you would almost think they came from England. Yet it’s hard to think of a place on Earth that has more lawns than the suburbs of America, and there’s something about lawn mowers: the rumble of the motor, the smell of gas, the efficiency with which that blade slices through the green blades of glass. It “feels” American. Much to my surprise, it turns out that lawn mowers were invented in England (but of course they were. It makes total sense). According to Wikipedia:
    The first lawn mower was invented by Edwin Budding in 1830 in Thrupp, just outside Stroud, in Gloucestershire, England. Budding’s mower was designed primarily to cut the grass on sports grounds and extensive gardens, as a superior alternative to the scythe, and was granted a British patent on August 31, 1830.

    Today, I mowed my friend’s family’s lawn. They had kindly let me stay at their house while I was in Bellevue for a wedding and when I arrived the grass was long due to recent rains and warm weather; I wanted to say thanks to them. They have an average sized lawn, much bigger than the one I grew up with in Vancouver. It took me two hours to mow it all. Their plot is on a hill overlooking Lake Washington. It required quite a bit of effort. But for the first time in my life, it didn’t feel like a chore.

    Prior to today, the last time I mowed a lawn was at my family’s house in Vancouver (because Canadians have lawns, too). I was allergic to grass as a kid and so I got a partial exemption from having to mow the lawn back then. It was definitely a chore I hated because of it (another time I got stung by a wasp while mowing so I hated it even more). Yesterday my friend Stephen said to me as his 3 year old daughter ran ahead of us at the pier at Anacortes: “It feels like it was just yesterday we were at your house in Vancouver shooting hoops on your driveway.” Yes, that was 20 years ago. Time “flies” when you look at it in increments; other times it feels like it couldn’t pass any slower.

    Today, for the first time, I enjoyed every moment of mowing the lawn. It felt like an appropriate activity for Memorial Day. Mow the lawn, cook some red meat, have a beer. I haven’t had a beer in over a month. I would reward myself, I said. As I mowed, I watched the mulch fly out. I enjoyed slicing through the tallest blades of grass, putting order back into place. Of all the greenery options out there, lawns feel the most man-made, the most contrived. I enjoyed restoring order.

    A male sparrow chirped his disapproval from the roof. He must have thought I was a threat to his nest with all my sound and fury. I really liked running the lawn mower along the edges of the planter boxes and cutting the rogue, tall grasses there. After a couple of hours, my hands hurt and the lawn was done, save for some inaccessible parts along the walls. That was a job for a weed-whacker. I got that out and fired it up. I didn’t like the weed-whacker. This felt like a chore. It required priming and several steps to getting it going. It was a lot of bark and not much bite as it put up the biggest racket. I trimmed along the stone wall for about 3 minutes when the plastic wires doing the cutting got blown off by the stone. What good is trimming along the walls if the contraption isn’t designed to handle it? I put it back in the garage. I looked at the early evening sunlight shining on the freshly cut grass. One thing I have really missed while living in Arizona: long, summer evenings. There is nothing like a Pacific Northwest summer evening. The sun sets at 9, the robins chirp in the pines until dusk, and everything is so green. In the desert it’s not the same.

    I have lived a life less ordinary, I suppose, given that it’s been about 15 years since I last mowed a lawn. Living in apartments in Tokyo and NY, and now being in the desert in Arizona means no lawns to mow. I wanted to commemorate this event. I went inside to get my camera to capture this moment. I took a couple of photographs that followed basic compositional rules. They felt appropriately ordinary. My friends Warren and Lynette asked me today why I chose photography. I’ve always loved writing, always wanted to tell stories. Photography is an extension of that. I seek to capture moments, in a frame, that would not exist otherwise. They exist only because I show them to you. I seek to honour and dignify the everyday things, to elevate them and to show them as beautiful scenes, through my frame. I am moved by the world every day that I go out there. With that in mind, I took a few snaps, and then I stepped behind a trellis that had a beautiful cucumber plant growing on it (or perhaps it was squash. Was it a squash?); it was too early in the season for cukes. And I photographed the lawn through that. It’s a very “me” photo.

    I looked down at my sneakers, brand new they were. When I got them a couple of weeks ago, I imagined they would get stained. I had pictured the reddish dirt from the desert. Instead they were stained grass green. I kind of liked that. So I photographed them, too. I washed them in the sink, got most of the green out easily, but I left a little bit on there, to serve as a memory. Underneath the cucumber were strawberry plants, ripe with fruit. I decided to have a few as a reward instead of a beer. I took about a dozen and left some for the next person to mow the lawn as their reward. I also left some very ripe ones for the bugs to eat. I washed the strawberries and ate a few. Most were sour, some didn’t have much flavor. I went to the fridge and grabbed myself that beer anyway.

    I looked out on the freshly cut lawn. Mister Sparrow had come down from the roof and was feasting on the bugs that had been stirred up by the lawnmower. “Where’s your disapproval now, Mister?” I cracked open the beer and took a sip. Just reward. I wonder when the next time will be that I mow a lawn. The sun set over the Olympic mountains, still capped with snow. The robin still called out from the pine tree. And I went back inside.

  86. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Don’t know why I felt like posting that here, but it just felt right. Have a good evening, all.

  87. who says:

    Lowetide: Oh man, I loved the Expos. And yes, this feels like that Expos team, but they need to add Perez, Cash and Speier to the starters.

    As long as they have cap room and can retain their young talent I have no problem with adding veterans. Just don't want to trade prospects for them at this point.
    Its interesting that the trade that got the Expos over the hump the first time in 81 was trading a young outfielder (Valentine) for a young reliever (Reardon). Position of strength to fill a position of weakness. Sort of like trading a young left dman or winger for a young righty dman.

  88. Lowetide says:

    WHO: I remember that trade, and Valentine was a favorite. Great deal though, as you say.

  89. Lowetide says:

    NYCOIL GP: Awesome, awesome story. Beautiful.

  90. who says:

    Lowetide:
    WHO: I remember that trade, and Valentine was a favorite. Great deal though, as you say.

    Hated trading Valentine but an even better deal in hindsight. Don’t think any fans realized at the time that Valentine was a coke head who would never reach his potential. Next to Vlady, Valentine was probably the most talented Expo ever.

  91. G Money says:

    IT’S ALIVE!

    I got my NerdAlert scripts resurrected and running for playoff games.

    Then I tried to tweet out a shot distance viz and accidentally drew a boob: http://i.imgur.com/JM9C9co.png

  92. Lowetide says:

    G Money:
    IT’S ALIVE!

    I got my NerdAlert scripts resurrected and running for playoff games.

    Then I tried to tweet out a shot distance viz and accidentally drew a boob: http://i.imgur.com/JM9C9co.png

    150 foot backhand! Might be the first.

  93. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    G Money:
    IT’S ALIVE!

    I got my NerdAlert scripts resurrected and running for playoff games.

    Then I tried to tweet out a shot distance viz and accidentally drew a boob: http://i.imgur.com/JM9C9co.png

    LOL- If that is what the boobs in your life look like we need to get you out from behind your excel sheet and out more. We can start you out by taking you to watch a real hockey game for the first time in your life, then take you out to to the boobs.

    P.S. – Awesome stuff, G. Thanks for sharing.

  94. Evilas says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    I enjoyed the read, cheers!

  95. Bruce McCurdy says:

    godot10:
    Which prospect’s development do you suggest the OIlers eff up by signing Clendenning?Count people.Count.

    Klefbom new rightie #1
    Sekera new rightie #2
    Nurse Davidson
    Fayne

    Reinhart Osterle
    Simpson Musil
    Laleggia Betker

    And this is without signing Gryba.

    There is no effing room at the inn for a non-prospect like Clendenning.Those top 4 in Bakersfield have to be given the push because they are all still prospects.

    6 lefties & 0 righties on the farm eh. Shouldn’t they be trying to develop some of each?

  96. Evilas says:

    Lowetide,

    The Expos and the Oilers sustained me in the winters and summers of the 80’s. I was too young to understand at the time, but I realized later that they were like reflections of each other. All that young exciting potential, one realized, the other so close, yet so far.

    The 80’s were a great time to be a sports fan, at least from where I was sitting…..

    In the 90’s I started a career and a family and didn’t have a lot of time for watching sports, except for playoffs/championships, but 2010 and the promise it presented brought me back to the Oilers. That and your damn blog LT.

    Curse you!

    I mean thank you, truly 🙂

  97. AsiaOil says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    If Finns are Scandinavians, they are by the same token that Canadians are Americans because we are from the American continent. Most Finns I know, and from what I understand the healthy majority of them, will tell you they aren’t Scandinavian, but they are Nordic.

    Correct. Canadians are “Americans” who share the northern part of the new world landmass known by that name. The USA and America are not synonymous. Canadians can say they are American in the same way that the French can say they are European. The USA doesn’t own the whole damn continent even if we regularly think so 🙂

  98. Lowetide says:

    Evilas:
    Lowetide,

    The Expos and the Oilers sustained me in the winters and summers of the 80’s.I was too young to understand at the time, but I realized later that they were like reflections of each other.All that young exciting potential, one realized, the other so close, yet so far.

    The 80’s were a great time to be a sports fan, at least from where I was sitting…..

    In the 90’s I started a career and a family and didn’t have a lot of time for watching sports, except for playoffs/championships, but 2010 and the promise it presented brought me back to the Oilers.That and your damn blog LT.

    Curse you!

    I mean thank you, truly :)

    Haha. We have accomplished nothing! Together! 🙂

  99. leadfarmer says:

    Lowetide:
    This series could be a classic. Double shifting Crosby should be a band name.

    Double shifting Crosby and the Thick Thighs band

  100. Bruce McCurdy says:

    leadfarmer: Double shifting Crosby and the Thick Thighs band

    Sid the Kid and the Strong Muscular Thighs

  101. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    AsiaOil,

    Like asking Latin Americans about norteamericanos.

    I guess if you want to say Winnipeg wants both Finns because there are a bunch of descendants of Swedes around…I don’t have much to say to that. My NY Tmes travel section doesn’t cover that contingency. By that logic, Ehlers, a geographic and ethnic Scandinavian +Laine should be enough to cover that aspect, no?

  102. G Money says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: P.S. – Awesome stuff, G. Thanks for sharing.

    Ha, no, thank YOU George – that was some terrific Mem Day prose.

    I mowed my lawn yesterday and it just wasn’t in the same league of introspectively cathartic!

  103. AsiaOil says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    AsiaOil,

    Like asking Latin Americans about norteamericanos.

    I guess if you want to say Winnipeg wants both Finns because there are a bunch of descendants of Swedes around…I don’t have much to say to that. My NY Tmes travel section doesn’t cover that contingency. By that logic, Ehlers, a geographic and ethnic Scandinavian +Laine should be enough to cover that aspect, no?

    Man you’re being strange tonight. They might want both Laine and Puljujarvi because they are 2 of the three best players in the world at their age group and some other factors might help keep them in WPG long term. There is nothing odd about that at all and don’t get the argument which has gotten totally pedantic. What does Ehlers have to do with anything?

  104. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    AsiaOil,

    I have always been strange.
    Is Winnipeg rebuilding or just retooling? I just don’t see why they would be keen to offer the kind of young pieces Edmonton or Columbus would want to give up their picks.
    And teams largely don’t care about drafting friends, countrymates, or even linemates together. The Sedins were an exception, of course.

    I am finding your assertion that they may want this very strange to begin with and you brought up the Scandinavian angle, which is about the same as saying Kekalainen wants both Finns because he is Finnish. I think both assertions have no basis. If your assertion is instead this new angle you are taking that they want 2 of the best 3 draft age players in the world, well if the cost is reasonable why wouldn’t any team want that? So I find your position equally odd, if that helps clarify why I am perplexed. But in your original statement when I asked you if drafting both Finns was a thing because I haven’t seen anything written about that you mentioned the friends angle and the Scandinavian population in Winnipeg.

    As for Ehlers- he is actually Scandinavian and not Nordic. He has nothing to do with anything, just like being Nordic shouldn’t have anything to do with the reason Winnipeg wants two Finns.

  105. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    AsiaOil,

    Anyway, you are right about it being pedantic. We both have better things to do. Let’s move on.

  106. Yeti says:

    Just to add that most Finns speak some Swedish because it’s mandatory to learn it at school – a point of considerable resentment among many of the Finns I know here. However, it’s more likely that they would simply converse in English. Any idea that a team would look to recruit Finns to keep Swedes happy is bizarre. But surely no-one is arguing that.

  107. Younger Oil says:

    Bruce McCurdy: 6 lefties & 0 righties on the farm eh. Shouldn’t they be trying to develop some of each?

    That’s what happens when you draft 11 LHD and 1 RHD from 2010-2014.

  108. kinger_OIL says:

    – Really nice post NYC, great tone: Thanks for sharing!

    – Your lawnmower story reminded me of my youth: from University onwards: condos living in London and NY: I can’t say I missed cutting the lawn.

    – When we bought our cottage, a sit-down mower was left in shed from previous owner. I love sitting on smoking a ‘gar and ambling along cutting. Last week though, it was in the shop, so I went old school, and my 6-year old son was so curious about the push mover: we did the cutting together: he really liked it, being with his Dad, cutting, following the last stripe perfectly, back and forth. Ideally I can transition him to cutting the lawn and he doesn’t think its a chore like we do!

  109. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    kinger_OIL,

    Ha. Thanks for sharing back. Good luck convincing your son it isn’t a chore. It may help to keep it going as a fun father-son activity. Those tend to have a long shelf life.

  110. godot10 says:

    Bruce McCurdy: 6 lefties & 0 righties on the farm eh. Shouldn’t they be trying to develop some of each?

    So are you arguing that one should just give up on one of the lefties, who remain actual prospects, for a old veteran AHL non-prospect, just because the AHL vet with no NHL potential is a right shot?

    Clendening will be on his 3rd NHL contract and 4th NHL organization, 5th if the Oilers don’t re-sign him.

    Many people seemed to be arguing lately that prospects should be played more in Bakersfield.

  111. Yeti says:

    godot10: So are you arguing that one should just give up on one of the lefties, who remain actual prospects, for a old veteran AHL non-prospect, just because the AHL vet with no NHL potential is a right shot?

    Yes, this is precisely what he argued.
    Good grief. Do we really need to put words into other poster’s mouths just to pick a fight with them?

  112. wheatnoil says:

    godot10: So are you arguingthat one should just give up on one of the lefties, who remain actual prospects, for a old veteran AHL non-prospect, just because the AHL vet with no NHL potential is a right shot?

    Clendening will be on his 3rd NHL contract and 4th NHL organization, 5th if the Oilers don’t re-sign him.

    Many people seemed to be arguing lately that prospects should be played more in Bakersfield.

    Clendening is the old AHL vet?

    Birth dates from hockey db:
    Laleggia – June 1992
    Oesterle – June 1992
    Clendening – Oct 1992
    Simpson – Feb 1993
    Musil – Apr 1993

    All those guys are within 10 months of each other and Clendening isn’t even the oldest.

    Now, I’m not a big Clendening fan, but I’m not sure I can call him an old AHL vet over the other options. Further, he would only be “blocking prospects” for about 5 or 6 games until the first NHL or AHL injury hits. By the end of the year, the farm team is always pulling in AHL-only contracts to fill in a 6 person roster.

    This isn’t Nikitin getting AHL minutes here.

  113. Professor Q says:

    NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker":
    AsiaOil,

    I have always been strange.
    Is Winnipeg rebuilding or just retooling? I just don’t see why they would be keen to offer the kind of young pieces Edmonton or Columbus would want to give up their picks.
    And teams largely don’t care about drafting friends, countrymates, or even linemates together. The Sedins were an exception, of course.

    I am finding your assertion that they may want this very strange to begin with and you brought up the Scandinavian angle, which is about the same as saying Kekalainen wants both Finns because he is Finnish. I think both assertions have no basis. If your assertion is instead this new angle you are taking that they want 2 of the best 3 draft age players in the world, well if the cost is reasonable why wouldn’t any team want that? So I find your position equally odd, if that helps clarify why I am perplexed. But in your original statement when I asked you if drafting both Finns was a thing because I haven’t seen anything written about that you mentioned the friends angle and the Scandinavian population in Winnipeg.

    As for Ehlers- he is actually Scandinavian and not Nordic. He has nothing to do with anything, just like being Nordic shouldn’t have anything to do with the reason Winnipeg wants two Finns.

    Well, yes, he’s not Nordic (Norwegian), although Denmark is closest in language and culture to Norway than Sweden.

    Finland is a bit more odd as it is mainland Europe (Denmark is too, but it’s a peninsula and archipelago), has a vastly different indigenous population in the Sami (opposed to Denmark’s Greenland Inuit), and isn’t part of the northwestern Scandinavian countries (traditionally what made up the Nordic countries to some minds as those are the big three kingdoms of Scandinavia, but Finland is part of them now too). So, isn’t Scandinavian, but is Nordic.

    Denmark is both.

  114. godot10 says:

    wheatnoil: Clendening is the old AHL vet?

    Birth dates from hockey db:
    Laleggia – June 1992
    Oesterle – June 1992
    Clendening – Oct 1992
    Simpson – Feb 1993
    Musil – Apr 1993

    All those guys are within 10 months of each other and Clendening isn’t even the oldest.

    Now, I’m not a big Clendening fan, but I’m not sure I can call him an old AHL vet over the other options. Further, he would only be “blocking prospects” for about 5 or 6 games until the first NHL or AHL injury hits. By the end of the year, the farm team is always pulling in AHL-only contracts to fill in a 6 person roster.

    This isn’t Nikitin getting AHL minutes here.

    We know Clendening can’t play. We don’t know if Osterle or Laleggia or Betker can play. If Clendening is in the minors, he is taking offensive D minutes away from Osterle and Laleggia and sending Betker back to the ECHL or to the pressbox.

    If he is playing #6 or #7 in the NHL, he is playing with Nurse or Reinhart, who need an experienced veteran to play with, not somebody worse then them. People are down on Nurse, because he was forced to play with Clendening at the end of the season, and looked bad.

    And if one plays Clendening with Davidson on the 3rd pairing, one is really limiting Davidson ability to expand the limtis of his game.

    And signing him, means there is one less roster spot available to claim a D on waivers in October, like perhaps the one from San Jose suggested yesterday.

    Signing a non-prospect marginal tweener doesn’t help at the NHL level, nor at the AHL level.

  115. Bruce McCurdy says:

    godot10: So are you arguingthat one should just give up on one of the lefties, who remain actual prospects, for a old veteran AHL non-prospect, just because the AHL vet with no NHL potential is a right shot?

    Clendening will be on his 3rd NHL contract and 4th NHL organization, 5th if the Oilers don’t re-sign him.

    Many people seemed to be arguing lately that prospects should be played more in Bakersfield.

    A 23-year-old defender is “a old veteran” now? A 23-year-old with 50 NHL games already has “no NHL potential”? Alrighty then.

  116. godot10 says:

    Bruce McCurdy: A 23-year-old defender is “a old veteran” now? A 23-year-old with 50 NHL games already has “no NHL potential”? Alrighty then.

    I’ve seen enough. I’m not going to block prospects, or use up a roster spot for a player who is never going to make it, when it might be needed to claim someone with potential off waivers.

  117. Yeti says:

    godot10: I’ve seen enough.I’m not going to block prospects, or use up a roster spot for a player who is never going to make it, when it might be needed to claim someone with potential off waivers.

    Yeah, maybe they can claim someone … like Clendening?

  118. AsiaOil says:

    Clendening is better than nothing which is what we have at RHD in both the NHL & AHL. Need to clear out some young LHD at both levels as they are blocking each other. Clendening at 1RD in the AHL is cheap injury insurance and allows the best young LHD to play their natural side.

    Nurse to AHL
    Reinhart, Davidson – trade 1
    Oesterle, Musil, Simpson – trade 1

    We need RHD everywhere.

  119. Lowetide says:

    AsiaOil:
    Clendening is better than nothing which is what we have at RHD in both the NHL & AHL. Need to clear out some young LHD at both levels as they are blocking each other. Clendening at 1RD in the AHL is cheap injury insurance and allows the best young LHD to play their natural side.

    Nurse to AHL
    Reinhart, Davidson – trade 1
    Oesterle,Musil, Simpson – trade 1

    We need RHD everywhere.

    Yes. And while we all have favorites among the LHD, culling the herd is necessary.

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