PACIFIC BLUE

by Lowetide

So far this spring, we have concentrated on RH defensemen in procurement for the Edmonton Oilers. Today, I take the RH list and throw a bunch of lefties in—with the idea that acquiring one of them allows trading a current Oilers LHD for the difficult to fill righty slot. Clear? Great.

DEFENSE: AN EXERCISE IN FUTILITY

  1. Jason Demers, Dallas Stars. The book end for Andrej Sekera?
  2. Tyson Barrie, Colorado Avalanche. Quality option for puck mover.
  3. Travis Hamonic, NY Islanders. Perfect fit if available.
  4. LD Alex Goligoski, Dallas Stars. He would be an outstanding option.
  5. Justin Faulk, Carolina Hurricanes. Would be higher, question availability.
  6. Sami Vatanen, Anaheim Ducks. Solid offense, not completely proven.
  7. Radko Gudas, Philadelphia Flyers. Strong, effective defender.
  8. Jacob Trouba, Winnipeg Jets. Strange year for a talented young player.
  9. LD Keith Yandle, NY Rangers. Offensive defenseman.
  10. Michael Stone, Arizona Coyotes. Major knee surgery.
  11. LD Brian Campbell, Florida Panthers. He is effective.
  12. David Savard, Columbus Blue Jackets. Range of skills.
  13. Damon Severson, New Jersey Devils. A nice underlying option.
  14. Mark Pysyk, Buffalo Sabres. The numbers imply there is a player here.
  15. Ryan Pulock, New York Islanders. Big shot from the point has high value. Very young.
  16. Ryan Murphy, Carolina Hurricanes. Some chaos, but good speed and puck-moving ability.
  17. Brandon Montour, Anaheim Ducks. This could be a special player.
  18. Cody Franson, Buffalo Sabres. That hammer from the point would come in handy and he fits a real need.
  19. Jordan Schmaultz, St. Louis Blues. Puck-moving prospect.
  20. Anthony DeAngelo, Tampa Bay Lightning. Another player with a puck-moving element to his game.
  21. Colin Miller, Boston Bruins. With the other Miller signing, maybe he is available.
  22. LD David Schlemko, New Jersey Devils. Depth D, has some nice things.
  23. Eric Gryba, Edmonton Oilers. I think management likes him.
  24. Ville Pokka, Chicago Blackhawks. Young defender in the Chicago system.
  25. Frank Corrado, Toronto Maple Leafs. Very little evidence but he showed up in some good places.
  26. Ryan Sproul, Detroit Red Wings. Puck-moving defender in the AHL.
  27. Dennis Wideman, Calgary Flames. A year removed from a fantastic offensive season.
  28. Taylor Aronson, Nashville Predators. Minor-league defender.
  29. LD Matt Irwin, Boston Bruins. Depth defender.

ETHAN RIFLES, ETHAN RIFLES!

bear capture camp oil

The Oilers need a pipeline of players, and the club badly needs to string some grand drafts together in order to help feed the McDavid era (trades, replacements, actual NHL players). How many players, on average, come from a single draft?

Let’s take 2005. That draft has delivered 111 NHL players (3.7 per team) and those players have averaged 229 NHL games. So, an equal share for the 2005 draft would be (229 x 3.7) is 847 games. Edmonton? 1,083 games, courtesy Andrew Cogliano (704), Chris VandeVelde (197), Taylor Chorney (123) and Danny Syvret (59).

The pipeline is important—every player—and drafting Ethan Bear is only one piece of the puzzle. Edmonton needs to sign him too—something that didn’t get done with Tobias Rieder and Erik Gustafsson—and then he has to get coached up in the AHL. The Oilers badly need Bear, Caleb Jones, John Marino and Ziyat Paigin to turn out. History tells us one of them is going to emerge and (likely) the other three will not, but signing all four and getting them into the system is damned important.

ONE OF THESE THINGS, IS NOT LIKE THE OTHERS…

https://twitter.com/SportsnetSpec/status/688132178912227329

https://twitter.com/sunterryjones/status/719275753070665728

  • Fluto Shinzawa, Boston Globe: The Wild have depth on defense. The Oilers do not. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins might be a player of interest for Boudreau and Wild GM Chuck Fletcher. In turn, with Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl in place, Edmonton is in a position of strength at center. This may be the time for the Oilers to deploy Nugent-Hopkins as trade collateral to improve their defense. Source

I want to make a couple of points here, one about the idea of RNH being dealt for a defenseman and another about the media.

  • Every once in awhile I will get an email about the media, usually suggesting things get made up just to grab attention. I don’t know any of the people mentioned above really well, but have worked with three of the four and can tell you that if they say it, write it, or broadcast it, there is something sourced driving that decision. Media is a funny thing (I know radio backwards, television and newspaper less so) in that all you really have is your reputation. Lose that, and it doesn’t take long before you are covering late night city hall meetings and reading up on quorums, publication bans and cost overruns. Once a media member gains substantial access, they guard it closely and make sure not to screw it up. Seriously. Information is the life blood of the hockey reporting business, and access is the key to getting it.
  • The reports above (from different points in the season/offseason) appear to be conflicting, but in fact all could be true. Rishaug’s line ‘no doubt in my mind’ tips me that he has a really good source, somewhere on planet earth, who told him something that led him to that conclusion. Why would he make it up? Mark Spector has an actual trade item (not completed) six weeks later—this is pretty substantial stuff, folks—and at that point (imo) there was a real possibility of a deal involving a veteran forward.
  • End of season, Terry Jones tweet above reflected a very positive media avail in which Peter Chiarelli was very complimentary about his young veteran center. We could assume that—this is April—the club may have been thinking about the value of the lottery pick, possible trades involving Benoit Pouliot and other (lesser) assets.
  • The Globe item comes in May, and be indicate the value on some of the movable assets is not as strong as hoped, and of course the lottery pick is No. 4, not No. 2.
  • If you add all of this up, pretty clear to me a case can be made that Nuge was in play during January, off the market in April (plans may have involved other assets out) and may be in play again as we head to draft day. Nuge is a wonderful player, hope like hell they don’t deal him, but parsing those tweets and stories it seems at least plausible that RNH is being discussed in trade.

DRAFT RE-ENTRY DAY

It is draft re-entry day, we covered the names here. I remember being mad as hell about the Oilers passing on Oil Kings later in the draft (I had seen Aaron Irving especially well), looks like the scouts may have gotten it right. There are some good players on there, names to keep in mind. Edmonton need to be procurement demons to make up for trading picks, not signing good players (if they don’t sign Ethan Bear the club will need to replace him) and draft misses. Hurricanes signed Wesley, just announced.

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FINAL LISTS!

This is always a fun time for draft geeks, as the final final lists come out (mostly this week and next). ISS is a fun list and their descriptions are thoughtful, insightful and substantial. The 2016 final list is here. It really points out how quickly things meander after about No. 20 overall—Riley Tufte is going to go higher than many people believe—and it is a fun list for sure.

HAMONIC

I received a dm this morning from someone who asked about Travis Hamonic’s availability. Idea being just because he has rescinded the trade request doesn’t mean Garth Snow will keep him. The next logical question is what is the ask? If we borrow the ‘trade a lefty for a righty’ idea from above, could the Oilers:

  • Sign Alex Goligoski
  • Trade a LHD for Travis Hamonic

I think it is an idea at least worth considering. Could you trade Sekera plus something to make the money work, for Hamonic and something else? Perhaps Snow is interested in Nurse? Injury worries to Klefbom and Brandon Davidson probably make those conversations a non-starter, but the idea has value in my opinion.

marincin and schultz

JUSTIN SCHULTZ

A lot of angst among Oilers Nation about Justin Schultz possibly winning a Stanley Cup. Folks, this is kind of crazy if you don’t mind me saying. If you date a girl, and it doesn’t work out, and you find yourself irrationally jealous that her next relationship is a winner, that says something about you—not the girl.

Also, and this is important, Justin Schultz was not a good player for the Oilers. That is a fact. We know this, have visual and math evidence plus, you know, they traded him. Schultz did not arrive in Pittsburgh as a top pairing savior and a small sample size in the Stanley Cup Final remains a small sample size full stop.

If you believe Justin Schultz has turned around the Penguins, you need to apologize immediately to Sidney Crosby. And Hockey. And life. Plus your Mom.

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kinger_OIL,

1)Tkachuk
2)Zach Redmond
3)Vatanen
4)Chad Johnson
5)None
6)None
7)Frans Nielsen
8}No
9)5, Pouliot (salary retained for Vatanen and a 4th)
10)Klef & Davidson

Gerta Rauss

kinger_OIL,

1)Tkachuk
2)Spurgeon
3)Wisniewski
4)Enroth
5)Eberle
6)Oesterle
7)Vanek
8)Howson
9)3 with the biggest trade of Eberle + salary for Spurgeon + more salary
10)Klef/Nurse/Davidson

Barcs: Would the 16th and 33rd overall picks from last year have sufficed to upgrade from #40 to #10 this year?

I know I need to let it go, but Lordy.

Last time. (And of course not GR’s fault).

/grumble

This is just more evidence that young D with pedigree are extremely highly valued these days. That’s why I don’t think Trouba–who has shown far more at the NHL level than Reinhart so far, is also right-handed, and has no question marks about his skating, can be had for Eberle.

Just trying to be realistic.

Professor Q

Магия 10: That’s just asking for Trouba’

I’ll allow it.

BONVIE

Jets +Oilers Myers/Lowry for Nuge/ Reinhart or Nurse/ and lastly Yakapov

Alpine

Primetime: Godot,
You are probably right…sure they are thin at D, but not really full of top 6 forwards either.

On Defence they have OEL, Stone, Murphy, Connoughton (waivers).Picked up Tinordi from Montreal (likely future 3rd pairing but still some potential).

At forward: Duclair plays RW with Domi on LW (Strome at C?).If Dvorak centers Doan (RW), wouldn’t Tkachuk fit in well on LW?They don’t have much more offensive talent coming except for Merkley (RW).Wouldn’t Tkachuk be an ideal replacement for the soon to be retiring Doan?The rest of their talent makes a great mix for 3rd line (Hanzal, Vermette, Reider, Samuelson etc)

Again, you’re probably right, but not sure that Arizona drafting a Dman is a foregone conclusion.

They can always pick a forward at 20 if they keep that pick. Or trade up from there. I think they’d like Tkachuk but I think they’re more than happy to wait for a D to round out their top 4 with OEL, Stone, and Murphy. They need that one LH guy.

Barcs

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
I am amazed at all the people still suggesting #4 + something (eg. Reinhart) gets you Barrie and #10. Not addressed to anyone in particular, but that + going with #4 has to be massive for Colorado to give up 10.

#4 for Barrie and #40 is probably close in value.

Adding for example, Reinhart, doesn’t get you close to upgrading #40 to #10, in my opinion.

Would the 16th and 33rd overall picks from last year have sufficed to upgrade from #40 to #10 this year?

I know I need to let it go, but Lordy.

Last time. (And of course not GR’s fault).

/grumble

Alpine

kinger_OIL,

1) Chychrun
2) Barrie
3) Severson
4) Chad Johnson
5) Nuge or Ebs
6) Korpse, Lander
7) Stempniak
8) Howson for sure
9) 3. Trade down for Chychrun, Nuge/Ebs for Barrie, Yak + acquired pick for Severson + lower pick
10) Klef and Davy

Primetime

godot10: Arizona just hired an advanced stats guru as GM.At #7OV, they are in the sweet spot for drafting a defensemen.If you look at their depth chart, their greatest need is a defensemen.I will be shocked if they trade up or down.

They have too many young forwards (and two at left wing) to break in as it is.Domi was fine with Dvorak last year.And add Duclair and Domi.

Godot,
You are probably right…sure they are thin at D, but not really full of top 6 forwards either.

On Defence they have OEL, Stone, Murphy, Connoughton (waivers). Picked up Tinordi from Montreal (likely future 3rd pairing but still some potential).

At forward: Duclair plays RW with Domi on LW (Strome at C?). If Dvorak centers Doan (RW), wouldn’t Tkachuk fit in well on LW? They don’t have much more offensive talent coming except for Merkley (RW). Wouldn’t Tkachuk be an ideal replacement for the soon to be retiring Doan? The rest of their talent makes a great mix for 3rd line (Hanzal, Vermette, Reider, Samuelson etc)

Again, you’re probably right, but not sure that Arizona drafting a Dman is a foregone conclusion.

Alpine

There’s one other team that needs RHD as much as we do, and are smart enough to offer sheet one and that’s the Leafs. I do hope that if we give up a high pick or Nuge for barrie or Trouba, that neither guy gets targeted. Generally teams don’t do offer sheets out of respect for each other, but the Leafs are smart and you can’t trust Lou.

I remember that Burns wasn’t OS’d when SJ acquired him, but they gave up only spare parts and a decent prospect for him. Faulk would be perfect as he’s signed already but I can’t believe they’d give him up for anything less than Hall.

digger50

kinger_OIL:
– OK great write-up LT.Because I have ants in my pants, and am bored between now and Draft, does anyone want to try out my pool?First prize is a donation to Lowetide.2nd prize: a set of steak knifes, third place: you are banned from LT (I kid!).If I get enough responses, I will tabulate:

1) Who will the first player drafted by the Oil this year? (because I’m tricky/sneaky!)
2) Name one D that the Oil will acquire, not currently on roster
3) Name another D that the Oil will acquire, (no one is fine as anwer)
4) Who will be the backup goalie next year
5) Will one of the Steve Austins (Ebs/Hall/RNH) be traded (bonus point to pick right one(s))
6) Which NHL roster players will be bought-out or sent to AHL before start of next season
7) Who is going to be the forward acquired with the biggest salary in the off-season (no one fine)
8) Will MacT and/or Howson be “reassigned”?
9) How many separate trades will the Oil complete (bonus if you name one)
10) Of Griff/Nurse/Davidson/Osterle/Klef: which ones will be on starting roster for first game

Maybe asking a lot, and maybe no one cares, but I thought it might be fun to hear.I will track and give prize to LT if we get more than 15 entries….

– Just post 1-10 and I will tabulate

1) Chychrun
2) Barrie
3) Demers
4) Enroth
5) None
6) Korpse / Iro P.
7) Andrew Shaw
8) No
9) 5 #4 + G.R for #10 + Barrtie
Yak plus third for R Strome
#62 and # 85 for Andrew Shaw
Fayne for 3rd rounder plus prospect $ retained
Lander moved for prospect
Sign Demers and Brower (not a trade as such)
10) Klefbom / Davidson

Ryder

kinger_OIL:
– OK great write-up LT.Because I have ants in my pants, and am bored between now and Draft, does anyone want to try out my pool?First prize is a donation to Lowetide.2nd prize: a set of steak knifes, third place: you are banned from LT (I kid!).If I get enough responses, I will tabulate:

1) Who will the first player drafted by the Oil this year? (because I’m tricky/sneaky!)
2) Name one D that the Oil will acquire, not currently on roster
3) Name another D that the Oil will acquire, (no one is fine as anwer)
4) Who will be the backup goalie next year
5) Will one of the Steve Austins (Ebs/Hall/RNH) be traded (bonus point to pick right one(s))
6) Which NHL roster players will be bought-out or sent to AHL before start of next season
7) Who is going to be the forward acquired with the biggest salary in the off-season (no one fine)
8) Will MacT and/or Howson be “reassigned”?
9) How many separate trades will the Oil complete (bonus if you name one)
10) Of Griff/Nurse/Davidson/Osterle/Klef: which ones will be on starting roster for first game

Maybe asking a lot, and maybe no one cares, but I thought it might be fun to hear.I will track and give prize to LT if we get more than 15 entries….

– Just post 1-10 and I will tabulate

1. Tkachuk
2. Vatanen
3. Schenn
4. Chris Johnson
5. No
6. Lander (buried)
7. Dustin Brown (as a UFA)
8. Just Howson
9. 3, Pouliot + Yak for Vatanen + Prospect
10. Nurse, Davy, Klef

godot10

Primetime: Totally agree with you NYC…if this is the case though, I desperately try and convince Arizona to do the #4/32 for #7/20 swap.Edmonton can then trade #7 straight up for Barrie and still have a first rounder.

Arizona drafts Tkachuk and gets the prospect with the most “buzz” right now, who also happens to be an Arizona boy, and they have 2/3 of the line that just laid waste to the Memorial Cup.

Arizona just hired an advanced stats guru as GM. At #7OV, they are in the sweet spot for drafting a defensemen. If you look at their depth chart, their greatest need is a defensemen. I will be shocked if they trade up or down.

They have too many young forwards (and two at left wing) to break in as it is. Domi was fine with Dvorak last year. And add Duclair and Domi.

godot10

Snowman:
NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

Could be but Eberle is among the elite of the elite in production for the last 5 years. Trouba is a decent young second pairing D due for a big raise. If Eberle doesn’t get you a #4 D you’re mismanaging your assets big time.

The Jets don’t need Eberle. They have Wheeler and a cost controlled Laine (soon). So Eberle is worth far less to them than other teams.

Lowetide: Dammit! McCurdy and Woodguy! I have NOT been drinking!!!

Like me, you apparently voted for Ovechkin to be 1st team RW and 1st team LW.

Younger Oil: He’s ranked #32 of European Skaters by Central scouting, #61 on LT’s most recent list.

Definitely interested in the player, but he would be a reach at #32.

Ah I misread. Thought #32 was CSS’s overall list. My bad.
Looks like a player, although looking for YouTube clips of him results in clips of an EDM DJ. Hall, Ebs, and Nuge are enough trouble around these parts and bad influences on McDavid. Wouldn’t want a Swedish DJ in that locker room making everyone go out and party all night. (Or subjecting them to that music). ha ha.

godot10

Professor Q: How the heck is Troubadour > Eberle?

Trouba is a young 2nd pairing all-tool RIGHT shot D with decent size and mobility. They are scarce commodities.

There are a couple of skuff marks on him, as with Larsson 18 months ago. The only time they are available is when they are skuffed up a bit.

And the only reason he is potentially available is because the Jets have Byfuglien and Myers tied up long term, and have other needs, and Trouba is going to cost a lot of money.

Centre of attention

Lowetide: Dammit! McCurdy and Woodguy! I have NOT been drinking!!!

….much 😉

Woodguy

Lowetide:
I was trying to tell you folks (but cannot type for the life of me) that Renaud Lavoie had the information May 21 on his blog. I wrote about it at ON

http://oilersnation.com/2016/5/21/thanks-nhlpa

And Darcy and Woodguy are OLD TOO!

There are two of me now?

#daydrinking

Truth

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
I think we look elsewhere as well.I think Trouba is very much overvalued at the moment due to that rookie year still lingering. Remember Tyler Myers? A few years later his value dropped as well, but early on everyone thought he was an untouchable worth the moon because that rookie season was in the back of their minds (toolsy, big, right-handed, young, great skater for size, etc.). I think Trouba is at that stage currently.

I think this exemplifies exactly why he will become and Oiler and get a 7 year contract @ $5.7M/yr. The most painful part will not be the contract, but the fact the Oilers traded RNH to get him.

In saying that, I’m all for getting Trouba….as long as the cost of acquisition is directly in line with his value based on the previous two seasons, and he signs a reasonable 3-4 year deal. He is a young NHL RD.

Younger Oil

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
Lowetide,

Just looked up F. Berglund for the first time. Looks like a player! Think he will still be around at 32?

He’s ranked #32 of European Skaters by Central scouting, #61 on LT’s most recent list.

Definitely interested in the player, but he would be a reach at #32.

Lowetide,

Just looked up F. Berglund for the first time. Looks like a player! Think he will still be around at 32?

stephen sheps

Lowetide: 1. Juolevi
2. Barrie
3. Filip Berglund
4. James Reimer
5. Yes. Nuge
6. Lander, Korpikoski
7. Tyler Bozak
8. Howson will get a gig with Las Vegas
9. Four. Fayne for Bozak, Nuge for Barrie, No. 4 for No. 7 and No. 37
10. Nurse, Davidson, Klefbom

Well that list is just too darn sensible. And a very real possibility.

stephen sheps

NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker",

Oh I know you weren’t directing anything at me specifically. Just giving you credit for helping me change my mind…

I almost never get into roster speculation stuff, especially this time of year, but this one seemed to much fun to not get into.

I’ll have another look at your pessimistic list. I was going more towards balance with a healthy dose of realism and one flight of fancy (Eriksson – he’s not coming here. There’s no way Boston trades P.C. his rights before the negotiation window opens and it’s unlikely that if he does get to free agency that he’ll come to the Western Conference). It was fun to get so specific in my speculations about trades and how players/picks/Mact would be moved around.

LoDog:
NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

While I agree Trouba may be overvalued on the market I think Eberle has more value than most think. Trouba would not be my target at all and I don’t think he is for the Oilers either.

Going to be an interesting couple months.

I can agree that he probably shouldn’t be the target. That was never my assertion. My comment was that there is no way Winnipeg touches Eberle and #4 for Trouba and #2.

And when I said Trouba > Eberle, I thought it was implied from the context we were talking about their trade values on the market at the moment. I apologize if that wasn’t clear.

I think we look elsewhere as well. I think Trouba is very much overvalued at the moment due to that rookie year still lingering. Remember Tyler Myers? A few years later his value dropped as well, but early on everyone thought he was an untouchable worth the moon because that rookie season was in the back of their minds (toolsy, big, right-handed, young, great skater for size, etc.). I think Trouba is at that stage currently.

LoDog

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

While I agree Trouba may be overvalued on the market I think Eberle has more value than most think. Trouba would not be my target at all and I don’t think he is for the Oilers either.

Going to be an interesting couple months.

Snowman

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

Actually on second thought you may be right. haha How’s that for having an opinion…

Primetime

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:

Fair value for Barrie, therefore, is likely #6~7 overall. Since Edmonton is up at #4, there should be another piece coming back from Colorado (#40) to make up the difference.

Young RHD who put up points are at a premium these days. It’s a supply and demand factor. Not realistic to expect a pick swap because Barrie is worth way more than Reinhart is.

Totally agree with you NYC…if this is the case though, I desperately try and convince Arizona to do the #4/32 for #7/20 swap. Edmonton can then trade #7 straight up for Barrie and still have a first rounder.

Arizona drafts Tkachuk and gets the prospect with the most “buzz” right now, who also happens to be an Arizona boy, and they have 2/3 of the line that just laid waste to the Memorial Cup.

Snowman

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

Could be but Eberle is among the elite of the elite in production for the last 5 years. Trouba is a decent young second pairing D due for a big raise. If Eberle doesn’t get you a #4 D you’re mismanaging your assets big time.

blainer

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
Professor Q,

LoDog,

I am talking about trade value, not current ability. Eberle has shown more in this league, but his position (scoring winger) is undervalued around the league while right-handed potential top pairing young D are totally overvalued.

You aren’t going to get Trouba for Eberle straight up. I believe that 100%. This is not a commentary on what each player SHOULD be worth, but what I think they are worth around the league.

How about #4 and Reinhart for Trouba and #22.

Should really be #4 for Trouba and 22 though.. that 4th is really high value. Could see the peg all over that one if Tkachuk gets drafted by Columbus leaving the jets to get both Finns..

Professor Q,

LoDog,

I am talking about trade value, not current ability. Eberle has shown more in this league, but his position (scoring winger) is undervalued around the league while right-handed potential top pairing young D are totally overvalued.

You aren’t going to get Trouba for Eberle straight up. I believe that 100%. This is not a commentary on what each player SHOULD be worth, but what I think they are worth around the league.

Drew

Professor Q: How the heck is Troubadour > Eberle?

i think that Trouba likely has more value than Eberle right now. The Oilers stink has tainted the pool so to speak. Where Eberle is, as a scoring forward, is farther along than what Trouba has accomplished and should be valued more, but i do not feel that is the case.

LoDog

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: As Bruce said earlier, “What are you smoking and where can I get some?” And I mean that with respect, sir. I welcome your contribution. This suggestion just stood out for me. Trouba > Eberle and #2 > #4 so how is Chia going to pull that one off?

Trouba not showing much the last couple years and wants big bucks. IMO Eberle > Trouba.

Professor Q

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: As Bruce said earlier, “What are you smoking and where can I get some?” And I mean that with respect, sir. I welcome your contribution. This suggestion just stood out for me. Trouba > Eberle and #2 > #4 so how is Chia going to pull that one off?

How the heck is Troubadour > Eberle?

Snowman:
NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

I don’t think Trouba is anywhere near as good as Eberle. He’s had two shaky seasons in a row now.

Almost no chance that deal would get done but I don’t think its as far apart as you seem to.

Eberle > Trouba without question.

While I agree that Trouba has not been as good, I don’t think you will find anyone outside Oiler fandom who thinks Eberle is worth more than Trouba. Respectfully disagree with your opinion that Eberle > Trouba without question. I think it’s the other way around in terms of value.

Snowman

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

I don’t think Trouba is anywhere near as good as Eberle. He’s had two shaky seasons in a row now.

Almost no chance that deal would get done but I don’t think its as far apart as you seem to.

Eberle > Trouba without question.

rogue:

9-4. Eberle and#4 for Laine and Trouba.

As Bruce said earlier, “What are you smoking and where can I get some?” And I mean that with respect, sir. I welcome your contribution. This suggestion just stood out for me. Trouba > Eberle and #2 > #4 so how is Chia going to pull that one off?

stephen sheps: Indeed you’re probably right. I modified my responses slightly after reading your posts. 4 for Barrie & 40 seems pretty reasonable.

It should be noted of course that other than Woodguy, none of us are proven trades and acquisitions oracles and Kinger’s fantastic contest is all in good fun.

It should also be noted that what I suggested above isn’t what I would do if I were in charge, other than trying to get Loui Eriksson – he’s the Pisani, albeit a better paid and more skilled version of the Pisani.

Yup, yup. I hear you. Like I said, I wasn’t directing my comment at you specifically, and I know Kinger’s exercise is about what we think may happen, not what we want. If you look at my list it’s the ultimate pessimistic list.

blackadder

1) Jost – after trading down to Carolina’s 13th pick
2) Faulk
3) Severson
4) Chad Johnson
5) RNH – although he’d be my last choice to go, centers are harder to come by and more valued
6) Fayne
7) Louis Eriksson
8) MacTavish will go – won’t want to stick around as a glorified scout
9) Trades with Carolina (4th pick, 32nd pick and RNH for 13th, 24th pick and Faulk), New Jersey (Severson for Yakupov and defence prospect like Simpson or Musil). Likely a couple of 3rd/4th line players from cap strapped teams.
10) Klefbom and Davidson

rogue

1-Laine
2-Demers
3-Severson
4-Enroth
5-Eberle
6-Ference, Korpse, Nikitin
7-Lucic
8-Yes. Please, yes.
9-4. Eberle and#4 for Laine and Trouba.
10-Klef, Davidson,Griffen

stephen sheps

Drew,

fair point.

Drew

stephen sheps: Indeed you’re probably right. I modified my responses slightly after reading your posts. 4 + Barrie & 40 seems pretty reasonable.

It should be noted of course that other than Woodguy, none of us are proven trades and acquisitions oracles and Kinger’s fantastic contest is all in good fun.

It should also be noted that what I suggested above isn’t what I would do if I were in charge, other than trying to get Loui Eriksson – he’s the Pisani, albeit a better paid and more skilled version of the Pisani.

uhmmmmm…

there are no, “more skilled versions” of the Pisani. healthier yes. 🙂

stephen sheps

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
I am amazed at all the people still suggesting #4 + something (eg. Reinhart) gets you Barrie and #10. Not addressed to anyone in particular, but that + going with #4 has to be massive for Colorado to give up 10.

#4 for Barrie and #40 is probably close in value.

Adding for example, Reinhart, doesn’t get you close to upgrading #40 to #10, in my opinion.

Indeed you’re probably right. I modified my responses slightly after reading your posts. 4 for Barrie & 40 seems pretty reasonable.

It should be noted of course that other than Woodguy, none of us are proven trades and acquisitions oracles and Kinger’s fantastic contest is all in good fun.

It should also be noted that what I suggested above isn’t what I would do if I were in charge, other than trying to get Loui Eriksson – he’s the Pisani, albeit a better paid and more skilled version of the Pisani.

kinger_OIL

Woodguy: Again, Kinger-Oil wasn’t soliciting opinions, but guesses as to what will happen.

The are two very different things.

– Exactly. If it is was what we would like to happen it would be, or what we’d do if GM: it would be:
1. Trade-up for Laine
2. OEL
3. Barrie (and Chara)
4. The next Billy Ranford
5. No frigging way
6. Ference gets traded for a pick, Nikitin gets waived, even though he’s gone, just to spite him
7. Lucic
8. MacT gets a radio tak-show gig as LT’s associate. Howson sent to Calgary, for 2 weeks
9. Lots, and we win them all big, like Reinhard + for Barrie
10. Klef, Nurse, Davidson and they dominate

Centre of attention

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
Hamilton last year and Barrie this year are probably worth close to the same. Your mileage may vary. Both right-handed, offensive D reportedly asking too much money of the teams they belong to as RFAs.

Hamilton has age and size in his favour, Barrie a better track record of putting up points.

Hamilton was almost traded straight up for #3 overall (Strome) before Arizona decided they wouldn’t get another chance at a 1C so they opted for Strome.

Hamilton still fetched a mid-1st in a strong draft, plus two more pieces without this being the best deal they could have gotten.

Fair value for Barrie, therefore, is likely #6~7 overall. Since Edmonton is up at #4, there should be another piece coming back from Colorado (#40) to make up the difference.

Young RHD who put up points are at a premium these days. It’s a supply and demand factor. Not realistic to expect a pick swap because Barrie is worth way more than Reinhart is.

Nailed it.

bendelson:
kinger_OIL,

1.DeBrincat (2nd Rd)
2.Barrie
3.Pysyk
4.Enroth
5.Nope.
6.Ference will come to an arrangement with the Oilers.
7.Eller
8.Nope.
9.4:#4 for Barrie + pick,Yak for Eller + pick,Picks for Pysyk, Korpse for any pick offered.
10. Klef, Nurse, Davidson

9. – If we get Barrie, I think that’s what the deal will look like.

Hamilton last year and Barrie this year are probably worth close to the same. Your mileage may vary. Both right-handed, offensive D reportedly asking too much money of the teams they belong to as RFAs.

Hamilton has age and size in his favour, Barrie a better track record of putting up points.

Hamilton was almost traded straight up for #3 overall (Strome) before Arizona decided they wouldn’t get another chance at a 1C so they opted for Strome.

Hamilton still fetched a mid-1st in a strong draft, plus two more pieces without this being the best deal they could have gotten.

Fair value for Barrie, therefore, is likely #6~7 overall. Since Edmonton is up at #4, there should be another piece coming back from Colorado (#40) to make up the difference.

Young RHD who put up points are at a premium these days. It’s a supply and demand factor. Not realistic to expect a pick swap because Barrie is worth way more than Reinhart is.