HERE COMES THE SUN (FINAL 2016 DRAFT LIST)

by Lowetide

With Red Line and others publishing next week, I think it is probably time to put my list to bed. A few reminders about why my list is not in direct competition with any of the other lists you may read this month:

  • I use NHLE as a strong guiding light. Christian Roatis has my current conversation calculator here.
  • My list list rewards offense heavily, and the most gifted offensive players will be at the top.
  • Players with a range of skills usually do well, but there is a fine line between a two-way player and a checking future. I think teams spend a lot of first-round picks on future checkers.
  • The list does not give high numbers to players who have a lot of their value tied up in the defensive side of the game. Some of the names who appear as first-round selections on other lists are not inside my top 100.
  • Goalies are graded (almost exclusively) by save percentage, although prevailing  wisdom counts as well.
  • I view Bob McKenzie’s list as the draft Bible, but my list does not factor in any scouts input beyond the obvious (Patrik Laine is a more substantial player than Alex Nylander despite their respective NHLE).
  • My list does not attempt in any way to predict the draft (BMs does it very well) and does not take his list into account.
  • Craig Button’s list has high value for me, I like the fact he has the courage of his convictions. My list does not factor in Button’s list.
  • I pay attention to Red Line Report, Corey Pronman, Kirk Luedeke (also Red Line), McKeen’s and Steve Kournianos. I do not copy their rankings (this should be fairly obvious if you look at the rankings of the scouting services) and don’t actively pursue their rankings until early June, when Red Line is released—and with this post my list is complete.
  • Mark Edwards Black Book is a brilliant reference. His release last year has been very useful for this year’s draft.
  • My list is unique, but in some cases I will reference other resources. Some of those sources may seem obscure—Brock Otten, Cody Nickolet, Adam Sherren—but are invaluable.
  • Scott Wheeler delivers great information in this area.
  • It is very rare for me to put a defender No. 1 overall.
  • My list is not designed to compete with, or copy any of the sources mentioned above. Organizations like Red Line, ISS, McKeens, Future Considerations and others employ actual scouts who observe, evaluate and project. None of their work is contained here. In fact, there are no claims here in regard to scouting—or saw him good—and there are no claims here. Full stop.
  • This list uses math, previous draft trends (the CHL delivers enormous talent to the NHL), various pieces of anecdotal information volunteered by scouts and observers along the way, and an educated guess based on watching these things unfold since 1972.
  • There are no claims to being more insightful than any other list, but there is a lot of time and effort put into it. I will tell you that (from here) Cam Dineen is a far better bet than Libor Hajek, but they will probably be chosen in the same round later this month. That is the purpose of this list.
  • Enjoy, and thanks for reading my draft posts for the last six months! Someday we will start draft talk in June. Some sweet day.

THE 150 BEST PLAYERS IN THE 2016 DRAFT

  1. (1) C Auston Matthews, Zurich Lions (Swiss-A): No. 1. NHLE: 41.9
  2. (2) W Patrik Laine, Tappara (Sm-Liiga): Closed the gap. Outstanding.
  3. (3) R Jesse Puljujarvi, Karpat (Sm-Liiga): Big, fast, rambunctious.
  4. (4) C Pierre-Luc Dubois, Cape Breton (QMJHL): Impressive range. NHLE: 34
  5. (5)  L Matthew Tkachuk, London Knights (OHL): NHLE: 49. Offensive winger.
  6. (6) LD Mikhail Sergachev, Windsor Spitfires (OHL): Dynamic. NHLE: 22
  7. (7) C Clayton Keller, USNDTP (USHL): Elite skill level. NHLE: 36.
  8. (8) LD Olli Juolevi, London Knights (OHL): Incredible passer. NHLE: 19
  9. (9) LD Jakob Chychrun, Sarnia Sting (OHL): Across the board skills. NHLE: 21
  10. (14) C Logan Brown, Windsor Spitfires (OHL): Range of skills, good skater. Giant.
  11. (10) RD Dante Fabbro, Penticton (BCJHL): Impressive two-way D. Great passer.
  12. (11) L Tyson Jost, Penticton (BCJHL). Great skater, creative offensive player.
  13. (12) R Alexander Nylander, Mississauga (OHL): Soft hands, brilliant, good speed.
  14. (13) RD Charlie McAvoy, Boston University (NCAA). Complete D, good speed.
  15. (15) R Alex DeBrincat, Erie Otters (OHL): Small sniper. NHLE: 44.
  16. (16) C Luke Kunin, Wisconsin (NCAA): Luedeke: has skating & shot of prolific scorer. NHLE: 27.
  17. (17) LD Jake Bean, Calgary Hitmen (WHL): Smart two-way D.
  18. (18) C German Rubtsov, Team Russia (MHL). Fine two-way center.
  19. (19) C Pascal Laberge, Victoriaville Tigres (QMJHL). Skill, size, consistency an issue. NHLE: 26.
  20. (20) G Carter Hart, Everett Silvertips (WHL): .929 in playoffs.
  21. (21) L Kieffer Bellows, USNDTP (USHL). Scoring forward, skating a concern. NHLE: 31.
  22. (24) L Adam Mascherin, Kitchener Rangers (OHL): Undersized scoring W. Bona fide. NHLE: 33
  23. (23) C Michael McLeod, Mississauga Steelheads (OHL): Playmaking PF, great skater. Gritty. NHLE: 28
  24. (29) R Taylor Raddysh, Erie Otters (OHL). Power W who can score. NHLE:29
  25. (22) R Vitalii Abramov, Gatineau Olympiques (QMJHL). Explosive scorer. Dynamic. NHLE: 31
  26. (27) LD Cam Dineen, North Bay (OHL): Impressive offense. NHLE: 23
  27. (25) C Rasmus Asplund, Farjestads (SHL). He is 6.0, 180 and quality two-way forward.
  28. (26) R Julien Gauthier, Val D’Or Foreurs (QMJHL): Great hands, average speed. NHLE: 23.
  29. (30) L Max Jones, London Knights (OHL). Otten calls him a throwback PF.
  30. (28) C Janne Kuokkanen, Karpat (Fin Jr). Skilled C, good speed. Playmaker.
  31. (31) LD Lucas Johansen, Kelowna Rockets (WHL).  Two-way D, good mobility.
  32. (32) C Will Bitten, Flint Firebireds (OHL): Fast skater, scoring playmaker. Intriguing.
  33. (33) C-R Nathan Bastian, Mississauga Steelheads (OHL): Big skill F with smarts.
  34. (34) L Tyler Benson, Vancouver Giants (WHL). Physical two-way forward. Injured a lot.
  35. (35) G Tyler Parsons, London Knights (OHL). He looks substantial based on numbers. .921
  36. (36) LD Kale Clague, Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL). Fast offensive defenseman.
  37. (39) G Veini Vehvilainen, JYP (Fin 2). 26GP, 2.04 .925. Re-entry.
  38. (37) R Maxime Fortier, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL). Speed and skill.
  39. (38) C Dillon Dube, Kelowna Rockets (WHL): Speedy scorer, range of skills.
  40. (40) L Vladimir Kuznetsov, Acadie-Bathurst Titan (QMJHL): Big, strong and skilled.
  41. (41) L Jonathan Dahlen, Timra (Allsvenskan). Ulf’s boy, slick and brilliant.
  42. (42) LD Samuel Girard, Shawinigian (QMJHL). The new M-A Bergeron.
  43. (43) G Filip Gustavsson, Lulea (SHL): Big G with a .910 SHL SP. Impressive.
  44. (44) C Sam Steel, Regina Pats (WHL). I call him lesser Eberle. Confusing season.
  45. (45) L Kyle Maksimovich, Erie Otters (OHL). Small, very skilled player.
  46. (46) LD Victor Mete, London Knights (OHL). Great skater, impressive offense.
  47. (47) R Matthew Phillips, Victoria Royals (WHL). Tiny, brilliant offensive winger.
  48. (48) L Riley Tufte, Fargo Force (USHL). Big W, buzz on this guy is pretty massive.
  49. (49) R Jordan Kyrou, Sarnia Sting (OHL). Skilled winger, creative.
  50. (50) RD Adam Fox, US National Team (USHL). Creative, intelligent, good skater. 5.10, 183.
  51. (51) R Yegor Korshkov, Yaroslavl (KHL). Brilliant WJs, big and skilled winger.
  52. (52) C Brett Howden, Moose Jaw (WHL). Good skater, skill center. Solid prospect.
  53. (53) C Noah Gregor, Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL). Two-way C, aggressive.
  54. (54) C Tage Thompson, Connecticut Huskies (NCAA). Legit skill player. Skating a concern.
  55. (55) L Cameron Morrison, Youngstown (USHL). Skill winger, fine skater, shooter.
  56. (56) RD David Quenneville, Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL). Small, very skilled. I like him.
  57. (57) C Dmitri Sokolov, Sudbury Wolves (OHL). Big F, strong, aggressive. Solid offense.
  58. (58) L Boris Katchouk, SSM (OHL). Rugged, throwback W with skill.
  59. (59) C Adam Brooks, Regina Pats (WHL). Brilliant offensive season. Substantial talent.
  60. (60) RD Frederic Allard, Chicoutimi Sagueneens (QMJHL). Two-way D, impressive offense.
  61. (61) RD Filip Berglund, Skelleftea AIK (SEL). Intriguing offense, may take awhile.
  62. (62) C Tyler Steenbergen, Swift Current Broncos (WHL). Spiked in-season.
  63. (63) RD Filip Hronek, HK Hradec Kralove (Cze). Smart undersized skill D.
  64. (64) L Carl Grundstrom, MoDo (SHL): Speedy two-way winger.
  65. (65) L Artur Kayumov, Team Russia (MHL). Fast, skilled, great shot. One dimensional.
  66. (66) C Brandon Gignac, Shawinigan (QMJHL). Skill C, nice numbers.
  67. (67) C Linus Lindstrom, Skelleftea (SuperElite). Swede with two-way skills.
  68. (68) L Simon Stransky, Prince Albert Raiders (WHL). Small skill winger.
  69. (69) L Matthew Boucher, Quebec Remparts (QMJHL). Small, speed, skill.
  70. (74) RD Luke Green, Saint John (QMJHL). Impressive offensive defender.
  71. (70) L Mitchell Mattson, Grand Rapids (USHS). Tall forward with speed and skill. PF?
  72. (71) L Givani Smith, Guelph Storm (OHL). Big, strong PF. Fine player on struggling team.
  73. (72) C Jonathan Ang, Peterborough Petes (OHL). Quick, skilled, chaotic.
  74. (73) C Otto Somppi, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL). Big C, has skill.
  75. (75) LW Sebastian Repo, Pelicans (Sm-Liiga). Nice range of skills. Underrated.
  76. (NR) C Connor Bleackley, Red Deer Rebels (WHL). Draft re-entry, fast with some skill.
  77. (76) C Oskar Steen, Farjestads (SuperElite). Small F with skill, impressive offense.
  78. (77) LD Dennis Cholowski, Chilliwack Chiefs (BCJHL). Smooth skater, smart blue.
  79. (78) L Matt Filipe, Cedar Rapids (USHL). 6.02, 200 and skilled.
  80. (79) C Kasper Bjorkqvist, Blues U20 (Jr. SML). He sure scores goals a lot.
  81. (80) G Mikhail Berdin, Team Russia (MHL). A strong (.929) season, highly regarded
  82. (81) LD Stepan Falkovsky, Ottawa 67s (OHL). Actual giant (6.07, 224), monster shot.
  83. (82) F Brayden Burke, Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL). Impressive playmaker, undersized.
  84. (83) LD Yegor Rykov, St. Petersburg (MHL). Two-way D, good passer, intelligent. Can skate.
  85. (84) C Henrik Borgstrom, HIFK U20 (Jr. SML). Tall thin C with skill, plus shot. Heading to U. of Denver.
  86. (85) C Alan Lyszczarczyk, Sudbury Wolves (OHL). Two-way C with PP numbers.
  87. (86) R Wade Allison, Tri-City Storm (USHL). Size, skill, spiked in final CS ranking.
  88. (87) R Egor Babenko, Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL). Math puts him here. Small, very skilled.
  89. (88) R Joey Anderson, US National Team (USHL). Very skilled, average size and speed.
  90. (89) RD Andrew Peeke, Green Bay Gamblers (USHL). Big, mobile D, plus shot.
  91. (NR) LD James Greenway, US Nats (USHL). Giant blue with some skill.
  92. (90) RC Dylan Gambrell, U of Denver (NCAA). Fast, skilled, brilliant.
  93. (91) G Jeremy Helvig, Kingston Frontenacs (OHL). Numbers are solid.
  94. (92) C-R Dante Salituro, Ottawa 67s (OHL). Back for another lash, very skilled.
  95. (93) LD Cole Candella, Hamilton Bulldogs (OHL). Solid two-way D, injury hurt his numbers.
  96. (94) C William Bower, Moncton Wildcats (QMJHL). Undersized C.
  97. (95) C Ondrej Najman, HC Dukla Jihlava (Czech). He is posting some impressive boxcars.
  98. (96) LD Lucas Carlsson, Brynas (SHL). Two-way defenseman, eligible last year.
  99. (97) LD Jacob Moverare, HV71 (SuperElite). Two-way D, strong, mobile.
  100. (98) W Tim Gettinger, SSM (OHL). He is a 6.06 winger. Itch will be scratched.
  101. (99) LD Sebastian Aho, Skelleftea (SHL). Undersized, puck moving D.
  102. (100) R Jesper Bratt, AIK (Allsvenskan). Very small, very skilled. Fast buzzsaw.
  103. (111) C Cliff Pu, London Knights (OHL). Otten has him trending.
  104. (101) C Tanner Laczynski, Lincoln Stars (USHL). A solid offensive player.
  105. (102) RD Jordan Sambrook, Erie Otters (OHL). Solid two-way D, may be undervalued
  106. (103) LD Chad Krys, US National Team (USHL). Two-way D, creative with the puck.
  107. (104) L Jakob Stukel, Calgary Hitmen (WHL). Speedy W with skill. No buzz at all.
  108. (105) LD Markus Niemelainen, Saginaw Spirit (OHL). Giant defender, mobile, some offense.
  109. (106) L Jack Kopacka, SSM (OHL). Two-way forward with some size.
  110. (107) C Reid Gardner, Prince Albert Raiders (WHL). Two-way C. A solid prospect.
  111. (108) G Daniel Marmenlind, Orebro (SuperElite). Strong numbers (.920)
  112. (109) C Aapeli Rasanen, Tappara U20 (Jr. SML). A fine prospect, good size and skill.
  113. (110) G Zack Sawchenko, Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL). A .916SP is rock solid. Great glove.
  114. (112) C Logan DeNoble, Peterborough Petes (OHL). Small scoring F, effective at ES.
  115. (113) LD Sean Day, Mississauga (OHL). Mobile two-way D.
  116. (114) L Brandon Hagel, Red Deer Rebels (WHL). Skill W, undersized.
  117. (115) LD Ryan Lindgren, US National Team (USHL). Two-way D lacks one outstanding skill.
  118. (116) C Brett McKenzie, North Bay (OHL). Smart checking center.
  119. (117) LD Vojtech Budik, Prince Albert Raiders (WHL). Terrific skater, shut down blue.
  120. (118) R Cameron Askew, Moncton Wildcats (QMJHL). Big, bruising F with skill (Sherren).
  121. (119) RD Pascal Corbeil, Blainville-Boisbriand (QMJHL). Small puck mover.
  122. (120) D Ben Gleason, Hamilton Bulldogs (OHL). Chaos defender with real ability.
  123. (121) RD  Jacob Cederholm, HV71 (SuperElite). Big defensive defender
  124. (122) G Evan Fitzpatrick, Sherbrooke Phoenix (QMJHL). No. 1 ranked NA goalie by CSB.  .896
  125. (123) G Niilo Halonen, Jokerit U20 (Jr. SML). Phenomenal numbers.
  126. (124) RW Matt Luff, Hamilton (OHL). Throwback W with size and skill.
  127. (125) LD Libor Hajek, Saskatoon Blades. Big (6.02, 185) Big, strong and mobile.
  128. (126) L Roman Krikunenko, Yaroslav (MHL). Scored 32 points in 35 games.
  129. (127) LD Max Lajoie, Swift Current Broncos (WHL). Fine skater, smart player.
  130. (128) R Steve Harland, North Bay Battalion (OHL). Scored well , showed up in some interesting areas when digging through the numbers.
  131. (129) C Otto Makinen, Tappara U20 (Jr. SML). Tall C with two way skills, could spike at the draft.
  132. (130) C Rem Pitlick, Muskegon Lumberjacks (USHL). Small and very skilled C. Cousin of Tyler.
  133. (131) G Julio Billia, Chicoutimi (QMJHL). Sherren: undersized but consistent. .919SP.
  134. (132) LD Logan Stanley, Windsor Spitfires (OHL). Giant defensive defender, excellent skater.
  135. (133) C Trent Frederic, US National Team (USHL). Two-way C with size.
  136. (134) C Andrei Svetlakov, CSKA (KHL). Skilled, gritty forward. Might be a good target.
  137. (135) LD David Bernhardt, Djurgardens (SuperElite). Puck mover with speed.
  138. (136) C Cameron Hebig, Saskatoon Blades (WHL). Two-way C, overager.
  139. (137) L Mikko Juusola, Kalpa (Jr. SML). Speed winger with skill.
  140. (138) RD Chase Priskie, Quinnipiac (NCAA). Puck-moving defender.
  141. (139) C Nathan Noel, Saint John Sea Dogs (QMJHL). Wide range of skills, undersized.
  142. (140) RD Jake Ryczek, Waterloo Blackhawks (USHL). Appears to be a spark offensively.
  143. (141) C Connor Bunnaman, Kitchener Rangers (OHL). Checking center looks a little shy offensively.
  144. (142) Max Zimmer, Chicago Steel (USHL). Two-way talent has a nice range of skills.
  145. (143) LD Matthew Cairns, Georgetown Raiders (OJHL). Smart defender with good size, mobility.
  146. (144) R Nicholas Caamano, Flint Firebirds (OHL). Winger with size and speed, scored 20 goals.
  147. (145) C Hugh McGing, Cedar Rapids Roughriders (USHL). A small and very skilled forward, Western Michigan next year.
  148. (146) C Tanner Kaspick, Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL). Has speed, range of skills.
  149. (147) R William Knierim, Dubuque Fighting Saints (USHL). Huge winger with some skill.
  150. (148) R Eetu Tuulola, HPK U20 (Jr. SML). Massive winger (6.03, 225) with some offense.
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rickithebear

Some high 4th line forward scoring D get 7 to 9M dollars.
-For shitty Defence
-4th line even Scoring
-PP points that get you below or 1 G better than 6.22 PPGF/60 for the season.
Pk Subban is the poster child of 9M spent on 0 goal differential value.

Goal differential is the key to winning!
give up as minimal goals as possible!
HSCA D @ even
PKGA D on PK

Get as many goals as possible!
top 180 EVP/60 in game depth
#150 player – #1D Karlsson 1.56EVP/60
#200 – #2D Gustaffson 1.38
# 202 – #3D/RW Burns 1.37
# 226 – #4D Carlson 1.31
# 228 – #5D Brodie 1.30
# 237 – #6D Hedman 1.27
# 241 – #7D Byfuglien 1.24
# 241 – #8D Subban 1.24
#258 – #11 D Gostisbere 1.20
#263 – #12D Vlasic 1.17
#288 – #17D Klefbom 1.08
#334 – #35D Yandle .98
#348- #40D Demers; K. Miller; Chara .91
#363 – #47D Barrie 0.88
#382 – #57D Severson .82
#397 – #64D Faulk 0.78
#399 – #66D Vatanen .77
#412 – #75D Dumba; Rielly .74
#429 – #83D Liles, Harmonic .69
#449 – #95D Doughty .65
#469 – #112 Davidson .61
with the desire for elite offensive production from shitty level of Defence..
I am thinking Yakupov as a 3rd line Forward and #7 D option each game!
Kind of our burns.
Hell After watching landers front net battle with K. miller and Chara on PP.
He might be an awesome Off D.

Rondo

Brock Otten of OHL prospects did a Mock draft today.

http://ohlprospects.blogspot.ca/2016/06/2016-nhl-mock-draft.html

719

bbf_iii,

The right is that of the player, not the club. The player should be able to waive that right and make themself available for the expansion draft. I would not see the NHL being able to stop players from doing that.

Tapdog: Absolutely no interest to me. First off I thought the search for a third line center had a requirement to shoot right? Hanzal rarely plays a full season…..correct?
For me, The difference between 4 and 7, plus Reinhart, plus Lander and to take a cap hit back..is not worth Hanzal. Holy moly did we want Chia to make the new GM in Arizona look awesome that fast?

A huge no from me!

Hmm. Think you are underrating Hanzal. What kind of player do you see him as?

To me he takes on the Seguins-Benn, Getzlaf-Perry, Gaudreau-Monahan (spits), Kane-Panarin types and EXCELS at it. That frees up RNH and McDavid lines to wreak havoc on 2nd and 3rd tier competition. Hanzal is an excellent 2-way C with size.

frjohnk

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Found a link for you: Friedman saying Colorado moving on from Barrie, going after Trouba. Plus Hanzal may be available.

I would hope you give me a little more credit after all this time than to accuse me of parroting Eklund, Padre.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/headlines-dale-hunter-rumours-avalanches-search-defencemen/

Sorry I meant to poke fun at Eklund not you.

I don’t even know what the hell “E5” means. 🙂

Tapdog

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
Can the Oilers take on a cap dump from Arizona to sweeten the deal?

cap dump, #7, Hanzal

for
Reinhart, #4, Lander (cheap fill-in C for them for this year)

Draft Sergachev or Juolevi at #7 to replace Reinhart.

Note this is only if Nuge is being traded, although…

Hall-Nuge-Drai
Lucic-McDavid-Eberle
Maroon-Hanzal-Yakupov
Hendricks-Letestu-Kassian
Cap dump from Arizona
Korpikoski buyout

Klefbom-Demers (UFA)
Sekera-Vatanen (Pouliot+ trade)
Davidson-Fayne
Nurse

Has a good ring to it as well. Hanzal’s 2-way play can cover for Yak’s chaos while we try to rehabilitate Yak’s game and value.

Would that be of interest to people?

Absolutely no interest to me. First off I thought the search for a third line center had a requirement to shoot right? Hanzal rarely plays a full season…..correct?
For me, The difference between 4 and 7, plus Reinhart, plus Lander and to take a cap hit back..is not worth Hanzal. Holy moly did we want Chia to make the new GM in Arizona look awesome that fast?

A huge no from me!

Woodguy

bbf_iii: Well, to be fair, if the NHL (or its lawyers) decided that NMCs broadly included all movement, including expansion despite not being explicitly mentioned, I think it’s logical to follow that the clause would also be in force until its prescribed end. Both are strictly following the contractual obligation.

I mentioned this in another thread a while back, an no one seemed to agree, but the NHL’s hands are probably tied here legally. It’s not them being illogical. The players negotiated for the right to NMCs and the NHL can’t just nullify them for certain players because of expansion. It’s a right that has been collectively bargained.

We are talking specifically about NMC that expire 10 days after the expansion draft, not long term ones.

I doubt the PA would care much either way.

It’s Gary and Bill being vindictive.

bbf_iii

Woodguy: This is why LT warned us about assuming the NHL would do the smart, logical thing.

They don’t.

They’re the NHL.

Well, to be fair, if the NHL (or its lawyers) decided that NMCs broadly included all movement, including expansion despite not being explicitly mentioned, I think it’s logical to follow that the clause would also be in force until its prescribed end. Both are strictly following the contractual obligation.

I mentioned this in another thread a while back, an no one seemed to agree, but the NHL’s hands are probably tied here legally. It’s not them being illogical. The players negotiated for the right to NMCs and the NHL can’t just nullify them for certain players because of expansion. It’s a right that has been collectively bargained.

gogliano

Is there any good work showing how combine results match with career success? I’m reading these talking head reports and not sure what to make of the fitness results if anything.

Theoretically, it seems it can go either way — (1) fit kid is better than schlub or (2) fit kid already has the advantage of fitness at the lower levels so doesn’t has as much room to grow.

Woodguy

bbf_iii:
Larry Brooks article here: http://nypost.com/2016/06/04/how-nhls-mad-parity-quest-hurts-players-wallets-ambitious-teams/

Relevant part:

Second, Slap Shots has learned that rules for the 2017 expansion draft that will precede Las Vegas’ anticipated 2017-18 admission to the league as its 31st franchise (“Done deal,” we’re told), will compel teams to protect players with no-move clauses even if they or the contracts themselves expire at the end of 2016-17.

This means if the expansion draft is held, say, on June 21, 2017, teams will be obligated to protect players who, a) would become unrestricted free agents 10 days later; or, b) would be able to be waived or traded 10 days later.

—–

That would mean Ference would have to be protected, unless waiving is an option.

This is why LT warned us about assuming the NHL would do the smart, logical thing.

They don’t.

They’re the NHL.

bbf_iii

Larry Brooks article here: http://nypost.com/2016/06/04/how-nhls-mad-parity-quest-hurts-players-wallets-ambitious-teams/

Relevant part:

Second, Slap Shots has learned that rules for the 2017 expansion draft that will precede Las Vegas’ anticipated 2017-18 admission to the league as its 31st franchise (“Done deal,” we’re told), will compel teams to protect players with no-move clauses even if they or the contracts themselves expire at the end of 2016-17.

This means if the expansion draft is held, say, on June 21, 2017, teams will be obligated to protect players who, a) would become unrestricted free agents 10 days later; or, b) would be able to be waived or traded 10 days later.

—–

That would mean Ference would have to be protected, unless waiving is an option.

Frank the dog

admiralmark: round

How about cost them a Stanley?

Woodguy

sliderule:
It will be interestingthe order the defencemengo and ultimately how right over timethe scouts are in their assessment.

They don’t seem to have Chychrun ranked that high even though his numbers and testing both on and off ice are better than the others.

This will be a test of whether the eyes and intangible judgements are better than numbers.

I am betting on numbers.

I’m on record that in 3-5 years he’ll be called “the steal” of the draft.

16 year old year was unreal and his year was very explainable due to inury, and coaching.

Last quarter of the year and playoffs were top end.

sliderule

It will be interesting the order the defencemen go and ultimately how right over time the scouts are in their assessment.

They don’t seem to have Chychrun ranked that high even though his numbers and testing both on and off ice are better than the others.

This will be a test of whether the eyes and intangible judgements are better than numbers.

I am betting on numbers.

Woodguy

Gare Joyce with an interesting update on the combine.

Talk that Brown could go top 5.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/10-takeaways-2016-nhl-scouting-combine/

Woodguy

who:
The pieces really don’t fit for a Colorado-Winnipeg trade. If you look at their roster Winnipeg is loaded with young forwards and are about to draft Laine. The only weak spot in there system is lefty dmen. That is something Colorado doesn’t have either. Why would Winnipeg want to add Duchene?

Over the last 3 years Duchene is 10th in the NHL in 5v5 scoring:

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/ratings.php?db=201316&sit=5v5&type=individual&teamid=0&pos=skaters&minutes=1000&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

Like Hall, he has good line mates up front, but dross playing D for the most part.

When a player like that comes available and you can get him for a piece that is “spare” on your roster you make the deal and run away laughing in the other direction.

Professor Q

stevezie:
Revolved,

I wouldn’t.

Translating Nurse to a good right side defenceman makes sense. Even if Nurse is awesome.

If that’s the case, then Dumba better be the RHD being acquired.

I know he’s not as big as Nurse, but is probably the only RHD that’s as aggressive as he is and similar I guess (I know of; I don’t keep up to date with such things).

PeOiler

LadiesloveSmid:
Keller is going to break hearts. Really hope CGY opts for Nylander over him.

I’m still in camp pick Dubois or trade down and take Keller/Sergachev/Chychrun/Fabbro

I am picturing a hand-made sign constructed of coat hangers, tree bark and macaroni reading ‘Camp Pikduebois’.

Camp director Lowetide is passionate about children learning about the draft and the danger of walkabout picks in the top 100. Evenings spent around the fire involve singing selections from The Last Waltz, whittling with Woodguy , Deadmanwalking assisted writing sessions or ‘Understanding (Riki the) bears’ with counselor G Money. Don’t forget your swim trunks.

stevezie

Revolved,

I wouldn’t.

Translating Nurse to a good right side defenceman makes sense. Even if Nurse is awesome.

Revolved

Would we riot over Nurse + picks for Trouba?

SwedishPoster

Andrei Makarov leaving Buffalo and stating, and history seems to to give him right in this regard, that Tim Murray is biased against russians. When acting as assistant GM in Ottawa his euro scouts were told to not grab any russians.
Makarov is a legit goalie prospect and I wouldn’t mind adding him, could probably be had for a late pick now.

stevezie

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

Enough like crazy. Too much, if anything.

who

The pieces really don’t fit for a Colorado-Winnipeg trade. If you look at their roster Winnipeg is loaded with young forwards and are about to draft Laine. The only weak spot in there system is lefty dmen. That is something Colorado doesn’t have either. Why would Winnipeg want to add Duchene?

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Edmonton_fan,

There are 2 Sebastian Aho’s, one a Fin the other a Swede.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=67208

Wolfie

I don’t see the value for the Jets in that deal. Little is underrated. Offensively they are very close. Trouba is probably on his way out but getting the extra something needs to be more substantial. The 10th for Trouba isn’t fair value.

Pouzar: Interesting.

Trouba is not long for WPG, I think this is where a lot of this stems from. JMO.

Seems like it. And also Colorado seems to prefer more defensive D so they want to replace Barrie with Trouba. But ovviously Barrie and his contract demands don’t interest Winnipeg. So Colorado would be giving up a forward, most likely. The one that would seem to fit Winnipeg’s budget and has been rumoured to be available in the right deal is Duchene.

So I am putting two and two together.

Barrie would then be moved separately.

Pouzar

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
Just saying…
Trouba + Little
Duchene +10 + something small?

I don’t know. but Friedman and McKenzie both saying there is smoke.

Interesting.

Trouba is not long for WPG, I think this is where a lot of this stems from. JMO.

Pouzar: Sorry, what is the rumor?

I linked to the video above from Friedman. Colorado hard after Trouba.

McKenzie says Colorado is trading Barrie. Friedman says their target to replace him with (not in the same deal) is Trouba.

godot10:
Winnipeg has centres to send with Trouba to Colorado for Duschene.

Pouzar: Little is pretty damn awesome.

Just saying…
Trouba + Little
Duchene +10 + something small?

I don’t know. but Friedman and McKenzie both saying there is smoke.

Pouzar

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Agreed, but by process of elimination, it isn’t Barrie going the other way and it isn’t Mackinnon, and it isn’t Landeskog. So….?

Sorry, what is the rumor?

Edmonton_fan

Sebastian (101) shows up as being drafted last year. Am I missing something?

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=152111

Pouzar: Little is pretty damn awesome.

Agreed, but by process of elimination, it isn’t Barrie going the other way and it isn’t Mackinnon, and it isn’t Landeskog. So….?

Pouzar

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Winnipeg could use a high end C to slot in with Scheifele

Little is pretty damn awesome.

godot10

Winnipeg has centres to send with Trouba to Colorado for Duschene.

frjohnk: Does the trade rumor have an E5 attached to it?

Found a link for you: Friedman saying Colorado moving on from Barrie, going after Trouba. Plus Hanzal may be available.

I would hope you give me a little more credit after all this time than to accuse me of parroting Eklund, Padre.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/headlines-dale-hunter-rumours-avalanches-search-defencemen/

MrEd

littleenglish,

Nice.

frjohnk: Does the trade rumor have an E5 attached to it?

No, it was bandied about on the sportsnet panel that Winnipeg is working on a blockbuster. Bob McKenzie says teams are inquiring on Trouba. And LT above mentioned Colorado. I don’t ever look at Eklund.

Barrie makes no sense for Winnipeg. Mackinnon is going nowhere. I am not sure they love Duchene as much.

Winnipeg could use a high end C to slot in with Scheifele. They draft Laine and they are stacked up front.

just putting two and two together.

frjohnk

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
Also, re: this Jets rumour and Colorado…

Trouba + for Duchene…

Colorado trades Barrie for another C…please tell me it’s not for Nuge cause that would be bad for the Oil.

Does the trade rumor have an E5 attached to it?

Close but no Ciger

russ99,

But you see, Schultz did a play that Oilers Defenseman always do: unnecessary put the puck back into pressure. Behind the play was a wide open Penguins player and you could see Cole with the wtf Body language. What’s even worse is that Karlsson doesn’t even have a stick so he could have also made an easy play back to Cole.

Zero headchecks, he only had one play on his mind at the time.

Other than that Schultz has been surprisingly OK.

Also, re: this Jets rumour and Colorado…

Trouba + for Duchene…

Colorado trades Barrie for another C…please tell me it’s not for Nuge cause that would be bad for the Oil.

frjohnk,

I understand what you are saying, but the premise is Hanzal includes Edmonton on his list of teams he would waive his NTC for, say because of McDavid, so it already implies he would re-sign here. It’s different from Shattenkirk. We would already know, in a way.

Otherwise you would never make that deal in the first place. I agree.

frjohnk

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
LT,
Friedman reporting Yotes have asked Hanzal for a list of teams he would accepttrade to. One year left on his deal.

Now all the signs in NYI suggest Nielsen will re-sign with the Isles. So IF…and I don’t want them to…but IF Nuge is moved for a D, Hanzal could be a very nice 3C. McDavid-Draisaitl-Hanzal down the middle? Holy moly. Only thing is that a lot of teams would be interested, and what do the Oilers have that would get them to bite?

4 and a premium young, cheap piece for Hanzal and 7?
What woud be enough, assuming Nuge is traded for D help so Draisaitl is off limits. Any ideas?

Isn’t this the same situation as Shattenkirk?

It’s a big risk for a rebuilding team to spend assets on a guy 1 year from free agency.
If Hanzal does not resign in a year, we end up taking a step back.

It would be better to stomach if we had a good young center prospect who could fill a top 9 role in a year or so, but we got nothing.

I like your way of thinking of getting a center who can play the toughs which allows is to trade RNH/Draisaitl for a top Dman but there must be other ways to get this done that are not as risky.

stush18:
No one has mentioned anything, but Bettman mentioned today that if the players don’t use their escalator clause, the cap will likely dip below 70 mil.

That could be a huge plus for the oilers.

[Shakes head at B.S. NHL “projections” from last fall that were obviously going to fall way short]

Can the Oilers take on a cap dump from Arizona to sweeten the deal?

cap dump, #7, Hanzal

for
Reinhart, #4, Lander (cheap fill-in C for them for this year)

Draft Sergachev or Juolevi at #7 to replace Reinhart.

Note this is only if Nuge is being traded, although…

Hall-Nuge-Drai
Lucic-McDavid-Eberle
Maroon-Hanzal-Yakupov
Hendricks-Letestu-Kassian
Cap dump from Arizona
Korpikoski buyout

Klefbom-Demers (UFA)
Sekera-Vatanen (Pouliot+ trade)
Davidson-Fayne
Nurse

Has a good ring to it as well. Hanzal’s 2-way play can cover for Yak’s chaos while we try to rehabilitate Yak’s game and value.

Would that be of interest to people?

stush18

No one has mentioned anything, but Bettman mentioned today that if the players don’t use their escalator clause, the cap will likely dip below 70 mil.

That could be a huge plus for the oilers.

LT,
Friedman reporting Yotes have asked Hanzal for a list of teams he would accept trade to. One year left on his deal.

Now all the signs in NYI suggest Nielsen will re-sign with the Isles. So IF…and I don’t want them to…but IF Nuge is moved for a D, Hanzal could be a very nice 3C. McDavid-Draisaitl-Hanzal down the middle? Holy moly. Only thing is that a lot of teams would be interested, and what do the Oilers have that would get them to bite?

4 and a premium young, cheap piece for Hanzal and 7?
What woud be enough, assuming Nuge is traded for D help so Draisaitl is off limits. Any ideas?

hags9k

Lowetide: No, but if they do it again this year the organization is in real trouble. It would be three years in a row with no picks in the second and third rounds.

You mean we’re not even in trouble yet!? Woohoo!!

Great work again on the list LT, now get some rest. The more you learn about this first round, trading down starts looking good.

Chachi

Schultz did the same thing he always does in the defensive zone. He chases the puck he gets out of position and he absolutely positively will not under any circumstances engage the opponent physically. On that particular play he could have released Donskoi since Malkin was on him and, god help me I am going to sound like ricki, retreat back to a box protection position. The shot by Donskoi likely hits him in the chest instead of going in and he would not have had to put himself in any danger of physical contact with another person!

russ99

Chachi:
Schultz looking an awful lot like the horrible defenceman he was in Edmonton on the losing goal in overtime. Also had a couple of good offensive chances before the goal, but you have to think that the Penguins would bump him out of the lineup if they had anyone else they could throw out there for 10 minutes a game.

What did he really do wrong there? Both defensemen were on the same side as the net, and he tried to clear it along the wall, like both teams did all game. And like the Oilers, the Pens forwards didn’t get back quick enough.

On the goal, Malkin took the skater who took a wide turn but Schultz still got a piece of it. Sometimes you have to credit the shooter.

Not saying he’s a great defenseman, but serious nitpicking in a close game that could have gone either way.