BENNY AND JOON

by Lowetide

How many games will Drake Caggiula play in the NHL this season? 0? 10? 40? I think the outer marker is 40, but believe he will play at least a game or two in the NHL. If you think about how advanced he is as a prospect—and his age—it makes sense that Edmonton would fast track him. His draft year? 2012.

Drake Caggiula will probably start the season as a feature player with the Bakersfield Condors. Here is an early projection for Bakersfield’s roster in 2016-17:

  1. G Laurent Brossoit. He is halfway between the AHL and NHL at this point.
  2. G Nick Ellis: May start at Norfolk.
  3. G Eetu Laurikainen: A big season ahead for the Finn. Needs to show well.
  4. D Griffin Reinhart: Another player who could see 0-40 games in the NHL 16-17.
  5. D Dillon Simpson: I think he might get a game or two with Edmonton.
  6. D Joey Laleggia: He will probably play a more prominent role.
  7. D Ben Betker: May spend most of the season in the AHL.
  8. C Jujhar Khaira: He could spend the entire season in Edmonton or Bakersfield.
  9. C Bogdan Yakimov: Complete wild card. If he is in NA, he must post crooked numbers.
  10. C Kyle Platzer: A big season for him in California. He needs to play. A lot.
  11. L Drake Caggiula: He should score well in the AHL, and get NHL time.
  12. L Jere Sallinen: Could be a candidate for recall depending on performance.
  13. L Mitch Moroz: More playing time and better health required.
  14. L Braden Christoffer: Year one, he looked overwhelmed.
  15. R Anton Slepyshev: More competition this year, but he has a chance.
  16. R Patrick Russell: Excellent resume, should be AHL-ready right away.
  17. R Greg Chase: Like Platzer, he needs playing time in Bakersfield.

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It is also fascinating to look at the FA list and contemplate who will be signed (among Condors) and who might end up walking.

  1. D Jordan Oesterle: He would be one of the first recall options.
  2. D Adam Clendening: A righty, he would also receive early recall consideration.
  3. D David Musil: Oilers have duplicated his skills thrice and more. Bubble.
  4. D Brad Hunt: Unlikely signing in my opinion. Oesterle/Laleggia will replace him.
  5. L Luke Gazdic: Completely up in the air in my opinion.
  6. L Josh Winquist: I hope they sign him, he has earned the chance.
  7. L Kale Kessy. I think the Oilers will pass on the opportunity.
  8. C Josh Currie: He is a good player and is young enough to have a career.
  9. C Marco Roy: His numbers were good in year one, he has a chance in my opinion.
  10. R Tyler Pitlick: He would be a strong option for early recall.

ANAHEIM CALLING

The more I look at this month, the closer I get to Disneyland. The match between Edmonton and Anaheim is excellent in terms of trade before Milan Lucic arrives on July 1 (as I have been saying forever, if the big man reaches free agency, PC will go hard to the hoop to get him signed).

ana dThe Ducks are apparently contemplating moving someone out (internal cap and RFA status means pressure) and for Edmonton the most attractive blue are Hampus Lindholm and Sami Vatanen. We have discussed Lindholm as an option in days gone down here on this blog, and Vatanen would be a good option as a puck mover. We know the two teams have talked in the recent past:

  • Jason Gregor in late March: Right around the trade deadline a source told me Yakupov and his camp had asked for a trade, but I could never get a solid confirmation so I didn’t write it. My source mentioned at the time the Ducks were close (not guaranteed but close) on a deal with Yakupov and Benoit Pouliot prior to the trade deadline, but the injury to Pouliot put an end to those discussions. Source

Edmonton and Anaheim did in fact do business (Patrick Maroon) but we may see these two teams make another deal this month. Lindholm? Vatanen? I have always felt the right guy to deal is Cam Fowler, but if Bob Murray is interested in trading Lindholm or Vatanen, Edmonton needs to close in on a deal.

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At this point, I think we can safely say there is some kind of fracture and the Oilers are once again in danger of losing another fine prospect. There were hints of a signing around the time Caleb Jones inked his deal, and some of us thought the deal would be signed in the days after Seattle’s season ends. We are now well into June, no word, and reasonable people can begin to suggest Bear will enter his final junior season as a possible draft re-entry.

In recent years, Edmonton has drafted—and not signed—Tobias Rieder and Erik Gustafsson. Is Bear the next one? For the Oilers, it would be ridiculous and counterproductive to lose a perfectly good prospect—but, once again, we are here.

I am not privy to negotiations, but I am not a fool, either. If Ethan Bear has decided to make a bet on himself, I congratulate him on it and we can talk about where he ranks for the 2017 NHL draft in a few months. I will say that the Edmonton Oilers badly need value contracts for the Connor McDavid era, and from the outside this looks wrongheaded. Hopefully we see an Ethan Bear entry-level deal very soon.

Note: Oilers have until June 1, 2017 to sign Bear. No imminent danger, but the rumor about being close, followed by crickets, suggests a disconnect.

CHIARELLI’S NEEDS LIST

  1. Top-pairing D to partner with Klefbom (Jason Demers, Justin Faulk)
  2. Second-pairing RHD to partner with Sekera (Tyson Barrie/Sami Vatanen)
  3. Acquire RHC with some skill (Small group available. Andrew Shaw? Tommy Wingels? Tyler Bozak?)
  4. Backup goalie (Jhonas Enroth, James Reimer)
  5. Offload unwanted contract (Lauri Korpikoski)

CHIARELLI’S AVAILABLE LIST

  1. Benoit Pouliot
  2. Mark Fayne
  3. Nail Yakupov
  4. No. 4 overall selection
  5. Young LHD (Darnell Nurse, Griffin Reinhart, Brandon Davidson)
  6. Cap space
  7. 2017 1st round selection
  8. Jordan Eberle
  9. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
  10. Leon Draisaitl
  11. Taylor Hall

Benoit Pouliot and Nail Yakupov for Sami Vatanen and some salary retained? Taylor Hall for Hampus Lindholm? Interesting days ahead.

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LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy, fun show at 10, TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Jonathan Willis, Cult of Hockey. June is busting out all over! We will discuss Oilers options and some of the rumors/proposals.
  • Guy Flaming, Pipeline Show. Connor Bleackley goes back in the draft, Jake Bean is Red Line’s top defenseman, who is the best draft-eligible goalie in the draft.
  • Steve Kournianos, The Draft Analyst. Steve’s list from No. 4 through No. 9 is an interesting one, and Oilers fans should know about it.
  • Don Landy, CFL.ca. We will continue the CFL tour, with a look at some of the top teams, including EE.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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theDjdj

I think it’s nuts that given what we knew we needed going into the offseason we’re talking about trading for a LHD and signing a big LHD UFA contract. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.

godot10

Water Fire:

Pittsburgh is looking so good despite a pretty suspect back end because the Sharks play into the Pen’s strenghs. If Chicago had come through healthyPitts would have had a lot more trouble with them than slow playing San Jose and their star D who can’t seem to pass or defend anymore.

If Tampa were healthy and had not lost Bishop and Stamkos and Stralman not just coming off of an injury….

But Bishop has been injured at critical times three years in a row now…

theDjdj

Skeeziks:
I find it somewhat concerning that the majority of posters seem to take it for granted that the Oilers will sign Demers and that he will be part of the D corps solution.

Realistically the Oilers have a very slim chance of being able to sign Demerrs as a UFA. He is one, if not the, best UFA D men available this summer. Numerous other teams will have him in their sights and he will most likely sign with someone else. Chiarelli will then have to get very creative to solve our problems on the blue line.

Who’s to say we won’t? We won the last few free agency signing races (Sekera, Drake). McDavid changed everything. We have experience front of house, coaching, a brand new shmick stadium and a team that just needs a few tweaks to be competitive.

We’re not the same team we were before the lottery last year.

godot10

Snowman:
God if the Avs trade Duchene they are hopeless.

7th best even strength producer since 12/13.

If I was Chia I’d be dangling #4 for Duchene and then dangle Drai for the best D someone would give me.

Imagine McDavid, Duchene, Nuge down the middle for the next 5 years.

The Avalanche aren’t trading Duchene for #4. They are trading him for an all-tools right shot D coming off of his entry level contract, already a legit top 4D and with significant upside potential, and probably a legit NHL depth centre (of which the Jets have many).

The Av’s control Duchene for only three more years. They will probably be able to sign Trouba to a contract and get control for five to seven years. With Johnson and Trouba, they would have the right side of their defense locked down for the forseeable future.

Colorado has MacKinnon and Soderberg, which is a decent top two.

Water Fire

We know that a very large part of hockey is luck. To me the best teams play with firstly a lot of discipline , then tempo and speed.

Pittsburgh is looking so good despite a pretty suspect back end because the Sharks play into the Pen’s strenghs. If Chicago had come through healthyPitts would have had a lot more trouble with them than slow playing San Jose and their star D who can’t seem to pass or defend anymore.

Letang is 26 in scoring. Still, he and Lovejoy are shutting down the attack and moving the puck in a hurry. To Batmans point, Letang moves it expertly, Lovejoy makes mistakes and that is why one is first pair and one used in a lesser role.

Still Lovejoy can skate, keeps his position and can pass. Fayne and Gryba can’t do the three things and it hurts the Oilers.

This final shows what matters. Playing tight and being consistent when you have skill wins. Burns and his points mean nothing in the face of a determined defense. Top fancy players get shut down in the playoffs because they are keyed on and teams can make adjustments that don’t happen in regular play.

It’s why guys that aren’t good players become playoff heros. The young guys mentioned are doing well because they can shoot. They get their chances playing up the lineup . The Oilers have long suffered from a lack of quality shooters.

Thornton is a clear example of why players need to be a threat themselves to score – to create space. Simply putting a check on Pavelski has shut him and Thornton down – Big Joe doesn’t attack the net and isn’t a dangerous shooter and Little Joe can’t skate well to get open and forecheck as hard as they need and is getting knocked off the puck

fifthcartel:
Joe Haggerty (pretty reliable) thinks that the Avalanche have considered moving Duchene for Trouba.

“Hockey sources indicated to CSN that Colorado is dangling Matt Duchene with the hopes of ultimately landing Trouba, and that either Taylor Hall or Ryan Nugent Hopkins will be dealt by Edmonton GM Peter Chiarelli to get their own coveted young D-man.”

http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/can-don-sweeney-boston-bruins-do-what-needs-to-be-done-offseason

I feel like there would have to be a significant add to Trouba in order to get Duchene, but this for sure makes me think that RNH for Barrie is all but waiting to happen.

I don’t agree that Haggerty is all that reliable, but the other night during the HNIC broadcast Friedman said the Avs were after Trouba. He fits Roy’s defensive thinking much better than Barrie. Winnipeg has no need for Barrie. Landeskog and Mackinnon are not on the move. The only logical piece left therefore was Duchene, where there has been some smoke out of Denver that they may consider moving him.

SOME people told me Winnipeg has no need for Duchene and did I get the rumour from Eklund 😉 ha!

McKenzie: “I believe Barrie will be moved.”
Friedman: “Avs are after Trouba. Barrie will be traded, probably in a different deal.”

Me the other night, good gord, I hope that doesn’t mean Nuge for Barrie is the next step. I would hate that.

Rondo

blainer,

It all depends on what Oilers think the gap is between Tkachuk/Dubois and Sergachev . If Oilers got the 20th pick you never know who will fall there and could be an excellent trade chip for a D-man.

Tapdog: NYCOIL, what would you estimate Hanzal’snext contract request to be?

Hey , I like Hanzal a little less than you lol but I just do not see long term value in acquiring him.
He has not played a full season since 09/10, excluding his 39 in 48 lockout season.
That gives an average of 58.2 gms/season.

To be honest I do not want to even pay his 3.1 he makes now and you and I know he will be wanting a raise. So do we pay a 58 game player 4 million-ish a season to play 19 or so minutes a game to take on the toughs?
So who’s ice time do we reduce while other teams force us the play their game.

Again, sorry but I am on the no side to acquire this guy.

60 games of a very good player is 60 games. Pouliot is often injured as well, remember. I was planning on giving him around Pouliot money + inflation. ~$4.5M a year. Oilers get the option to trade him at the deadline as well if he isn’t panning out or wants more money, but I think perhaps he would settle for long-term security and a bright future if the team turns north. So, 4 or 5 years at $4.5M per to be 3C on an up and coming team in a thriving hockey market and new arena.

blainer: I like and said something similar myself. I was thinking trade #4 and#62 for #7 and #20 . Draft Sergachev and trade the 20 and a prospect for Shattenkirk.

If Shatts doesn’t sign trade him at the deadline to recoup the pic from this draft.

Your lineup is decent but very doubtful Yak will be back. Stauffer has said as much where he has requested a trade. I do believe the Yak ship has sailed.. but one never knows for sure ..he could pull a Drouin..

Yak is one of the smaller parts of this equation. If he is gone, then he is gone and you move Kassian up a line. It’s not a deal breaker.

Ca$h-McMoney!:
NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

I like where you end up, but my problem with trading for Vatanen and signing Demers is that Vatanen without Demers isn’t close to enough.

So what if we can’t sign Demers?I don’t see a lot of other players that are available as free agents that I’m over the moon about.

So, in your scenario, what are your plan B and C if Demers isn’t available or costs too much?

You are right. Let me come back to you on those alternate plans.

Jethro Tull

Little bit of a thread jack here peeps!

I often read the term ‘tire fire’ here a lot. Of course that should be ‘tyre fire’.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/banksy-sneaks-into-school-over-half-term-to-paint-134025265.html

Now, I thought Giant Squid Overlord’s picture of Scar Jo in Oilers body paint was amaze-balls, but if next season doesn’t go well, how about getting Banksy to scrawl on the new building?

What would he even do?

wheatnoil

Ducey: Fabro at 11, McAvoy at 13 and Chychryn at 14. That’s a little different.

The defence continue to be all over the place in the draft rankings. However, I haven’t seen anyone else drop Chychryn to 5th among D.

blainer

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: I am clearly in the minority here, but I keep saying that this proposed #4 and Barrie for Reinhart and #10 isn’t going to get it done.

Barrie < #4
Reinhart <<< #10

I don’t see Colorado biting on giving up #10.

Barrie + #40 for #4 should be incentive enough for Colorado. Yes, it’s going to sting.

Personally, I would prefer:

Trade #4, #32, Reinhart, and Landerfor #7, #20, Hanzal.
Rationale: Arizona needs D and can draft Scottsdale-born Tkachuk. Oilers trade back to #7 and can draft Sergachev or Juolevi or Chychrun to replace Reinhart. For their trouble they pick up an injury-prone but excellent-when-healthy shutdown C with size and another pick in the first round.

Trade Pouliot + for Vatanen.

Sign Demers

Sign Lucic to replace Pouliot.

Run Draisaitl as full-time RW this year for his boardwork and saucer passes on the backhand.

Buy out or move Korpikoski for a late pick.

Lineup:
Hall-Nuge-Drai
Lucic-McDavid-Eberle
Maroon-Hanzal-Yakupov
Hendricks-Letestu-Kassian
Pakarinen

Klefbom-Demers
Sekera-Vatanen
Davidson-Fayne
Nurse

(with Sergachev in the fold + whomever you draft at #20)

Talbot
Backup

The team has balance and you accomplish it without touching the core. You also have time to rehabilitate Yak’s value this year, and who knows, winning some actual games might turn the tide here and make players want to stay.

I like and said something similar myself. I was thinking trade #4 and #62 for #7 and #20 . Draft Sergachev and trade the 20 and a prospect for Shattenkirk.

If Shatts doesn’t sign trade him at the deadline to recoup the pic from this draft.

Your lineup is decent but very doubtful Yak will be back. Stauffer has said as much where he has requested a trade. I do believe the Yak ship has sailed.. but one never knows for sure ..he could pull a Drouin..

Snowman

God if the Avs trade Duchene they are hopeless.

7th best even strength producer since 12/13.

If I was Chia I’d be dangling #4 for Duchene and then dangle Drai for the best D someone would give me.

Imagine McDavid, Duchene, Nuge down the middle for the next 5 years.

Rondo

Ducey,

Hockey Prospects is one of the best at ranking players.

Surprises for me Chychrun Nylander Dubois, McLeod and Juolevi.

fifthcartel

blainer,

I agree, there must be more coming from the Jets in this situation.

I feel like they’d want to replace Duchene with RNH in this situation. I like Barrie a lot, but still think that’s an overpay a bit.

stevezie

JimmyV1965: I like Hanzel as well but the lastthing the Oil need is an injury prone player.

I maintain 60 games of Hanzal would dramatically change this team. He usually gets dinged up, but he’s not going to miss the season. As long as he’s not signed to term he’s well worth it.

Ducey

Visually better:
Fuck you Mark Spector.

You lose a bet to him?

Quinlan

Snowman: If the Avs trade Duchene for Trouba they are outside their minds. That would be a FLEEEEECING.

Duchene is an Even strength beast.

Hall for Barrie is laughable. Nuge for Barrie would be bad.

Quoted for truth.

Quinlan

blainer,

Was trying to diffuse a little tension – not sure it worked 😉

I gotta say though, I’m glad tradition is being observed. Its a monthly must for someone to get angry at Caramel for philosophizing hockey.

Ducey

Rondo:
Hockey Prospects has its finaltop 30 draft

http://www.hockeyprospect.com/2016-nhl-draft-rankings/

Fabro at 11, McAvoy at 13 and Chychryn at 14. That’s a little different.

Snowman

fifthcartel:
Joe Haggerty (pretty reliable) thinks that the Avalanche have considered moving Duchene for Trouba.

“Hockey sources indicated to CSN that Colorado is dangling Matt Duchene with the hopes of ultimately landing Trouba, and that either Taylor Hall or Ryan Nugent Hopkins will be dealt by Edmonton GM Peter Chiarelli to get their own coveted young D-man.”

http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/can-don-sweeney-boston-bruins-do-what-needs-to-be-done-offseason

I feel like there would have to be a significant add to Trouba in order to get Duchene, but this for sure makes me think that RNH for Barrie is all but waiting to happen.

If the Avs trade Duchene for Trouba they are outside their minds. That would be a FLEEEEECING.

Duchene is an Even strength beast.

Hall for Barrie is laughable. Nuge for Barrie would be bad.

blainer

Quinlan: Not to fight Mr. Batman’s battles for him, but I think the emphasis is more towards player procurement and deployment. You shouldn’t go out and fill your bottom 6 with worse players who play a certain physical style, and in so doing, pass on better players who are more skilled at hockey.

That’s how I’ve always understood Caramel’s position.

Dwight King or Carl Hagelin – who do you choose? Carl Hagelin every time, because he’s better at hockey. Both are ‘3rd liners.’

Hummingbirds or hornets isn’t the question – good hockey player or not is. That has to guide your procurement and deployment decision making processes.

Now IMO this is the correct way to debate a posters opinion. By somewhat disagreeing but also showing respect to your fellow poster with decent opinion of your own.

Well done sir !!

fifthcartel

Joe Haggerty (pretty reliable) thinks that the Avalanche have considered moving Duchene for Trouba.

“Hockey sources indicated to CSN that Colorado is dangling Matt Duchene with the hopes of ultimately landing Trouba, and that either Taylor Hall or Ryan Nugent Hopkins will be dealt by Edmonton GM Peter Chiarelli to get their own coveted young D-man.”

http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/can-don-sweeney-boston-bruins-do-what-needs-to-be-done-offseason

I feel like there would have to be a significant add to Trouba in order to get Duchene, but this for sure makes me think that RNH for Barrie is all but waiting to happen.

Rondo

Hockey Prospects has its final top 30 draft

http://www.hockeyprospect.com/2016-nhl-draft-rankings/

Woodguy

Caramel Batman: If Vatanen is a third pairing D then the term has no meaning.

Gryba is a third pairing D.

Schutlz is a third pairing D.

Vatanen has nothing in common with those players.

Except he’s played 3rd pair with Stoner for the last 2 years and had meh results.

blainer

Ducey: Its funny how everything comes down to how smart you are, and how stupid everyone else is.

LOL… Well said..

Visually better

that guy needs to give his head a shake, and then shake it more. Followed by a little more head shaking.

Visually better

Fuck you Mark Spector.

Woodguy

bendelson:
While I admit to not watching the Stanley Cup finals in their totality, I will say that Jultz had me yelling at my TV last night late in the 3rd – running around in his own zone, accomplishing next to nothing.It brought back such horrible memories…Bah!My wife overheard me and called it:“Schultz not playing well?”.

Do I like the Pens?Meh.

For me this series is about two things:being right (or is it about WG being wrong?) and of course, that west coast seafood.

Go Pens!The sweet taste of victory!

Fuck you Bendelson.

Tapdog

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:Meanwhile by sending Hanzal against the toughs: Getzlaf/Perry, Toews, Seguin/Benn, Kopitar, etc., (and he has proved that when healthy he can absolutely handle that role)you free up McDavid AND Nuge to run amok against 2nd and 3rd tier comp. The team above I think could improve their GF by 30 goals next year.

NYCOIL, what would you estimate Hanzal’s next contract request to be?

Hey , I like Hanzal a little less than you lol but I just do not see long term value in acquiring him.
He has not played a full season since 09/10, excluding his 39 in 48 lockout season.
That gives an average of 58.2 gms/season.

To be honest I do not want to even pay his 3.1 he makes now and you and I know he will be wanting a raise. So do we pay a 58 game player 4 million-ish a season to play 19 or so minutes a game to take on the toughs?
So who’s ice time do we reduce while other teams force us the play their game.

Again, sorry but I am on the no side to acquire this guy.

Snowman

RE: Lindholm and Vatanen

Bob Mac mentioned that Anaheim was going to have to make a decision on one of the two of Vatanen and Lindholm. He mentioned them equally if I recall correctly. Lindholm hasn’t been linked to Edmonton specifically but he has been mentioned as possibly available by a couple “insiders” on a few different occasions.

I would be quite surprised if he’s moved but I wouldn’t be absolutely blindsided by it. His name is out there enough I think the Ducks are at least considering options with him.

pboy

Really good spot by Woodguy on Oiler’s Now with Stauffer. What ever happened to Dennis doing the Lowdown? I can’t remember the last time I heard him on there.

Quinlan

Ducey,

You assumed I meant boxcars when I wrote better players. Now, of course boxcars are pretty nice. Without scoring, you tend to lose.

But I do understand that part of the game is the prevention of the other team’s scoring (most effective when your players are the ones with the puck).

The players who are best at both of these things together (scoring+prevention) should be the ones you give a contract and playing time to.

And I don’t care how they do it.

JimmyV1965

stevezie:
NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

I agree with you. The popular offer is a nice starting point because, hey, you never know, but the 4th for Barrie and the 40th is a more likely resting place.

I like your Hanzal trade too. I love Hanzal. The resistance to him seems crazy to me.

I like Hanzel as well but the last thing the Oil need is an injury prone player.

Ca$h-McMoney!

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

I like where you end up, but my problem with trading for Vatanen and signing Demers is that Vatanen without Demers isn’t close to enough.

So what if we can’t sign Demers? I don’t see a lot of other players that are available as free agents that I’m over the moon about.

So, in your scenario, what are your plan B and C if Demers isn’t available or costs too much?

Professor Q

Karlsson apparently IS talking about practice – I’d be fine with him starting to actually practice (in Edmonton…). 😛

frjohnk

Caramel Batman: This is one of the strangest posts I’ve read in a long time.

It’s like someone saying they don’t believe in the moon landing..

No way!

WE LANDED ON THE MOON!!!

godot10

IMHO, any cap calculation that doesn’t assume McDavid earns all his bonuses is completely unrealistic.

Example…the one provided by npanciroli above. Not realistic.

It is also fairly dangerous to assume that Draisaitl won’t earn his bonuses. And it also is one contract short. The Oilers are NOT going to play with a 22 man roster.

So npanciroli need to cut about $4 million out of his roster (to assume McDavid’s and part of Draisaitl’s bonus have to be paid), and add $1 million for one more player.

Which means Lucic has to be dumped for a more affordable player.

I doubt that roster projects into the near term future in a way the fits under the cap. The roster cannot just be planned to fit under the cap this year.

Ari

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

Ok thanks NYC, I figured that. I agree, if I were ANA, Lindholm is the one I’d keep.

Ari:
LT,

I’m a huge fan of Lindholm, but I was wondering what the source is that he may be on the move (and maybe to Edmonton?). I know you’ve been mentioning it over the past couple of days, but what is the source of this speculation?

If I am not mistaken, there is no rumor or source. Vatanen has been linked. Lindholm is a function of Anaheim needing to sign him to a new contract and same goes for Vatanen.

Anaheim does everything they can to sign Lindholm because he is a 22-yr old #1D. They move Vatanen or Fowler to meet their internal cap requirements before they move Lindholm.

But since he isn’t signed, he can be discussed just like Seth Jones. Very unlikely targets, and in Lindholm’s case, no source to the speculation as far as I know. We are all just bored and mulling every possibility out there.

Ducey

Caramel Batman: Miller has 15 games of NHL experience.We don’t know what he does and doesn’t do.More importantly, all those things you just mentioned can be learned.On the other hand, we do know that he has talent in the most important areas of hockey, skating, stickhandling, making and taking a pass, reading the game, because it is impossible to put up points without doing those things.

And Sheary and Rust aren’t exactly “defensive” players, and they certainly aren’t big, and yet they are somehow making contributions, and these contributions don’t depend on their offense.Indeed, the whole dichotomy is absurd, the idea that there is a category of player that if they aren’t scoring aren’t doing anything.That’s ridiculous, taking a pass cleanly instead of fumbling is contributing to the team, it is preventing the other team from scoring.

Your man Rust doesn’t fit your profile. He put 11 points in 41 games this year. He has 33 points in 63 AHL games. He had two ok years in college. And he is bigger than Miller – 5’11” 192 lbs. (Miller is 5’10” 181 lbs). You would not have looked at him twice because he doesn’t have fancy boxcars.

Sheary looks like Miller in terms of AHL production. He also has not done much in the regular season (10 pts in 41 games) We will see if he is even in the NHL in 2 years. He better keep playing with Crosby regularly.

npanciroli: A little less offence from the D on your team but I like the winger and center depth much more.

Yes, I just think Barrie is going to cost too much. His reputation as an offensive D is quite high at the moment. I like going after the less heralded Vatanen option. Think he costs much less and the Oilers did good business with Anaheim already with Maroon.

My approach is a hybrid between Ricki’s “defenders need to defend” with “we need more offense from the D.” I feel like with the forward group we COULD assemble if we don’t break up the core, all the D needs to be able to do is head-man the puck to the forwards and we are laughing.

Klef? Good passer
Sekera? Good passer
Demers? Fine passer
Vatanen? Good passer
Davidson? Fine passer
Fayne? Not going to find 3 RHD better, as LT says.

I think this works, and the cost is reasonable.

Meanwhile by sending Hanzal against the toughs: Getzlaf/Perry, Toews, Seguin/Benn, Kopitar, etc., (and he has proved that when healthy he can absolutely handle that role) you free up McDavid AND Nuge to run amok against 2nd and 3rd tier comp. The team above I think could improve their GF by 30 goals next year.

Ari

LT,

I’m a huge fan of Lindholm, but I was wondering what the source is that he may be on the move (and maybe to Edmonton?). I know you’ve been mentioning it over the past couple of days, but what is the source of this speculation?

stevezie

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

I agree with you. The popular offer is a nice starting point because, hey, you never know, but the 4th for Barrie and the 40th is a more likely resting place.

I like your Hanzal trade too. I love Hanzal. The resistance to him seems crazy to me.

kinger_OIL

Caramel Batman,

– I’m just saying that you either believe that there are no cap violations because everyone is following the rules, and no fines have been imposed, or like the Olympics untill they they started testing, all Olympians were clean.

– My bias is that cheating, and non-observation and/or enforcement of the rules, prevail. Not a league full of wholesome altruistic teams that comply with the rules, for the good of the whole.

npanciroli

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: I am clearly in the minority here, but I keep saying that this proposed #4 and Barrie for Reinhart and #10 isn’t going to get it done.

Barrie < #4
Reinhart <<< #10

I don’t see Colorado biting on giving up #10.

Barrie + #40 for #4 should be incentive enough for Colorado. Yes, it’s going to sting.

Personally, I would prefer:

Trade #4, #32, Reinhart, and Landerfor #7, #20, Hanzal.
Rationale: Arizona needs D and can draft Scottsdale-born Tkachuk. Oilers trade back to #7 and can draft Sergachev or Juolevi or Chychrun to replace Reinhart. For their trouble they pick up an injury-prone but excellent-when-healthy shutdown C with size and another pick in the first round.

Trade Pouliot + for Vatanen.

Sign Demers

Sign Lucic to replace Pouliot.

Run Draisaitl as full-time RW this year for his boardwork and saucer passes on the backhand.

Buy out or move Korpikoski for a late pick.

Lineup:
Hall-Nuge-Drai
Lucic-McDavid-Eberle
Maroon-Hanzal-Yakupov
Hendricks-Letestu-Kassian
Pakarinen

Klefbom-Demers
Sekera-Vatanen
Davidson-Fayne
Nurse

(with Sergachev in the fold + whomever you draft at #20)

Talbot
Backup

The team has balance and you accomplish it without touching the core. You also have time to rehabilitate Yak’s value this year, and who knows, winning some actual games might turn the tide here and make players want to stay.

A little less offence from the D on your team but I like the winger and center depth much more.

Cassandra

kinger_OIL:
stevezie,

– Steve says: “Almost every team in the league is in cap trouble”

– I have never believed in the so-called “cap”.Has there ever been a penalty attached to any team that goes over it?I don’t believe for one second that the NHL monitors it (well they monitor it like MLB used to monitor steroid use).

– The only “cap” that matters is internal budget “cap”.The cheating and creative accounting that goes on, and the 0 violation of the cap is the system.

– Find teams that don’t want to spend: that’s the only “cap”

* the only other “cap” is collusion by owners not to over-spend

This is one of the strangest posts I’ve read in a long time.

It’s like someone saying they don’t believe in the moon landing. .

npanciroli:
Got a bit bored and went crazy with a possible roster based on some rumours and ideal scenarios. I know this many signings and trades are unrealistic but whatever.

Reinhart + 4th for Barrie (6 mil) + 10th
Yakupov or Pouliot + pick for Vatanen (5 mil) (Yakupov for Petrovic if only Pouliot)
Lucic at 6×6
Fayne for Bozak
Johnson at 1.5 mil

Hall RNH Draisaitl
Lucic McDavid Eberle
Maroon Bozak Kassian
Hendricks Letestu Korps
Lander

Klefbom Barrie
Sekera Vatanen
Davidson Nurse/Petrovic

Talbot
Johnson

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/119515

Thoughts?

I am clearly in the minority here, but I keep saying that this proposed #4 and Barrie for Reinhart and #10 isn’t going to get it done.

Barrie < #4
Reinhart <<< #10

I don't see Colorado biting on giving up #10.

Barrie + #40 for #4 should be incentive enough for Colorado. Yes, it's going to sting.

Personally, I would prefer:

Trade #4, #32, Reinhart, and Lander for #7, #20, Hanzal.
Rationale: Arizona needs D and can draft Scottsdale-born Tkachuk. Oilers trade back to #7 and can draft Sergachev or Juolevi or Chychrun to replace Reinhart. For their trouble they pick up an injury-prone but excellent-when-healthy shutdown C with size and another pick in the first round.

Trade Pouliot + for Vatanen.

Sign Demers

Sign Lucic to replace Pouliot.

Run Draisaitl as full-time RW this year for his boardwork and saucer passes on the backhand.

Buy out or move Korpikoski for a late pick.

Lineup:
Hall-Nuge-Drai
Lucic-McDavid-Eberle
Maroon-Hanzal-Yakupov
Hendricks-Letestu-Kassian
Pakarinen

Klefbom-Demers
Sekera-Vatanen
Davidson-Fayne
Nurse

(with Sergachev in the fold + whomever you draft at #20)

Talbot
Backup

The team has balance and you accomplish it without touching the core. You also have time to rehabilitate Yak's value this year, and who knows, winning some actual games might turn the tide here and make players want to stay.