DRAFT POST NO. 3: YOU CAN’T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT

by Lowetide

How do you offload a former No. 1 overall pick who has floundered as a hockey player and still get value? Turns out, it is really damned difficult.

  • Patrik Stefan was traded with Jaroslav Modry to Dallas for Niko Kapanen and the pick that became Will O’Neill. Stefan played 41 more games, Modry 165, Kapanen 158 and O’Neill has yet to play in an NHL game.
  • Alexandre Daigle (315 more NHL games after the deal) was dealt for Pat Falloon (163), Vaclav Prospal (1,049) and Chris Bala (6). Ottawa made out well, trading with the Flyers—a team that often deals for these types of players.

A rumor flying around has Travis Sanheim from the Flyers in play, it is an Eklund rumor and of course people have opinions about him. That said, I do think that the Philadelphia trade above offers some guidance for us as we try to estimate a deal for Nail Yakupov. Daigle was dealt to the Flyers for another high pick who struggled, plus something (that turned into something else).

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Yakupov’s resume is not a fun read. Once you get past the black ink (No. 1 overall) there are rows and rows of pedestrian measures and he looks for all the world like a guy who will be in the KHL next summer. He has not progressed and his strengths remain dormant (mostly) because the Oilers mishandled him. What can PC get for Yak? If we go back to 2010, and search for ‘high picks who are struggling’ or ‘players who may be buried by exceptional depth’, we get:

  • LHD Derek Forbort, LAK. Chosen No. 15 overall in 2010, he has played 14 NHL games and his path to an NHL job is not easily seen.
  • LW Austin Watson, Nashville Predators. Taken No. 18 overall in 2010, he has a nice range of skills and I think he might have a future in a checking role. Has played in 63 games, 57 of them in the last season.
  • LHD Jamie Oleksiak, Dallas Stars. Chosen No. 14 overall in 2011, he has played in 78 NHL games. I think he might be an NHL player, but he keeps getting passed by better ones in the Stars system.
  • RW Joel Armia, Winnipeg Jets. Taken No. 16 overall in 2011. He is a big winger, has played in 44 NHL games and has been traded.
  • RHC Mark McNeill, Chicago Blackhawks. Selected No. 18 overall, he is a two-way center. A little shy offensively, he has played in 1 NHL game.
  • LHD Slater Koekkoek, Tampa Bay Lightning. A truly unique name, and he could have a career. Koekkoek has not progressed like a No. 10 overall selection, but 2012 was a year that was not strong on talent.
  • LHD Samuel Morin, Philadelphia Flyers. Chosen No. 11 in 2013, he has progressed well enough but is on a deep prospect list. Had a solid AHL debut.
  • LHD Josh Morrissey, Winnipeg Jets. No. 13 selection in 2013, Jets rarely trade their draft picks before or after. Still, intriguing name.
  • RHD Ryan Pulock, New York Islanders. He is just emerging now and looks as though he will have a career. No. 15 overall pick in 2013, you could argue he is slightly blocked but this is a valuable young player.
  • LW Michael Dal Colle, New York Islanders. Ran in place a little in his final junior year, but a bona fide prospect. No. 5 overall in 2014.
  • LHD Travis Sanheim, Philadelphia Flyers. A fine young defender, surprised to hear his name mentioned—although he does qualify under the ‘man, we have a lot of defensemen’ category. No. 17 in 2014.
  • RHD Anthony DeAngelo, Tampa Bay Lightning. No. 19 in 2014, he is a nice fit for Edmonton’s puck moving needs. Splendid rookie season in the AHL.
  • LW Nikita Scherbak, Montreal Canadiens. No. 26 in 2014, he was not great in his AHL debut (23 points in 48 games—Marco Roy had the same production). Big winger.
  • Josh Ho-Sang, New York Islanders. No. 28 overall in 2014, he had another strong year in the OHL and is about to turn pro. He was dominant in midget hockey along with Connor McDavid, so I included him on the list.

I think we would be wise to assume a somewhat fuzzy resume is coming back, and—as the previous No. 1 deals above show—a package that obscures actual value of said former No. 1. Something like Sanheim and a pick for Yakupov and a pick. Seems about right.

WHERE HAVE ALL THE BLUE MEN GONE?

Matt Dolloff from CBS Boston gathered up all of the news on defensemen over the last while—Alex Goligoski traded to Arizona (fabulous move by Coyotes), Tyson Barrie off the market and Jacob Trouba apparently staying put. He also ties the Oilers to Kevin Shattenkirk, and I have read this a few times. I am putting Shattenkirk on this list, despite the fact we all believe it is a distant bell.

  1. LD Hampus Lindholm, Anaheim Ducks. Perfect fit, if available.
  2. Travis Hamonic, NY Islanders. Perfect fit, if available.
  3. Kevin Shattenkirk, St. Louis Blues. He solves the issue, would cost the moon and has one year left. Problematic solution.
  4. Jason Demers, Dallas Stars. Wilford Brimley: The right thing to do.
  5. Tyson Barrie, Colorado Avalanche. Nuge?
  6. LD Alex Goligoski, Dallas Stars. He would be an outstanding option.
  7. Radko Gudas, Philadelphia Flyers. Strong, effective defender.
  8. Justin Faulk, Carolina Hurricanes. Would be higher, question availability.
  9. Sami Vatanen, Anaheim Ducks. Solid offense, not completely proven.
  10. Jacob Trouba, Winnipeg Jets. Strange year for a talented young player.
  11. David Savard, Columbus Blue Jackets. Range of skills.
  12. LD Keith Yandle, NY Rangers. Offensive defenseman.
  13. Michael Stone, Arizona Coyotes. Major knee surgery.
  14. LD Brian Campbell, Florida Panthers. He is effective.
  15. Damon Severson, New Jersey Devils. A nice underlying option.
  16. Mark Pysyk, Buffalo Sabres. The numbers imply there is a player here.
  17. Ryan Pulock, New York Islanders. Big shot from the point has high value. Very young.
  18. Ryan Murphy, Carolina Hurricanes. Some chaos, but good speed and puck-moving ability.
  19. Brandon Montour, Anaheim Ducks. This could be a special player.
  20. Cody Franson, Buffalo Sabres. That hammer from the point would come in handy and he fits a real need.
  21. Jordan Schmaultz, St. Louis Blues. Puck-moving prospect.
  22. Anthony DeAngelo, Tampa Bay Lightning. Another player with a puck-moving element to his game.
  23. Colin Miller, Boston Bruins. With the other Miller signing, maybe he is available.
  24. LD David Schlemko, New Jersey Devils. Depth D, has some nice things.
  25. Eric Gryba, Edmonton Oilers. I think management likes him.
  26. Ville Pokka, Chicago Blackhawks. Young defender in the Chicago system.
  27. Frank Corrado, Toronto Maple Leafs. Very little evidence but he showed up in some good places.
  28. Ryan Sproul, Detroit Red Wings. Puck-moving defender in the AHL.
  29. Dennis Wideman, Calgary Flames. A year removed from a fantastic offensive season.
  30. RD Dan Boyle, New York Rangers. Retiring, but he is the player they are looking for—early, not late in his career.

A cautionary note: Some of the names crossed off could easily appear again. Travis Hamonic may well be in play despite the Garth Snow verbal. We wait. And worry a little, but I am pleased to see that  (it appears) Peter Chiarelli is unwilling to trade terrific value for need and take less than 100 cents on the dollar.

SAIL ON DOWN THE LINE

https://twitter.com/NHLFREEAGENTS/status/743749374409211905

I enjoyed watching him, he was kind of like a utility outfielder. He didn’t have enough bat for the NHL, but was splendid in the AHL and I expect he will have success in the KHL. Wish him well, the man can skate like the wind.

CURRENT 50-MAN LIST (38)

  1. G Cam Talbot. He will play 50 games next year. Who plays the other 30?
  2. G Laurent Brossoit. Projects as NHL backup/AHL starter.
  3. G Nick Ellis: Newly signed college free agent.
  4. G Eetu Laurikainen, AHL backup, he is signed for next year.
  5. D Oscar Klefbom. Splendid young player. Watch out for falling anvils.
  6. D Andrej Sekera, top 4D, important part of the team.
  7. D Brandon Davidson, this generation’s Pisani. Major solution, low price.
  8. D Mark Fayne, Jim Matheson mentioned buy out. I don’t see it.
  9. D Darnell Nurse, bet third pair with Davidson for 2016-17.
  10. D Griffin Reinhart, he will push for NHL time again this year.
  11. D Andrew Ference, LTIR looks very likely.
  12. D Dillon Simpson, I think we may see him a little in Edmonton this year.
  13. D Joey Laleggia, scored pretty well as an AHL rookie.
  14. D Ben Betker, big man was solid at ECHL level.
  15. D Caleb Jones, WHL D. Newly signed, definite slide rule.
  16. C Connor McDavid, the hockey world remains jealous. Who can blame them?
  17. C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, am encouraged he may stay.
  18. C Leon Draisaitl, emerging NHL talent.
  19. C Mark Letestu, checking NHL C.
  20. C Anton Lander, may catch on as utility forward in 2016-17.
  21. C Jujhar Khaira, he is likely to push some more.
  22. C Bogdan Yakimov, big body, plenty of skill, wonder about the speed.
  23. C Kyle Platzer, may be the next Kyle Brodziak.
  24. L Taylor Hall, shine on you crazy diamond.
  25. L Benoit Pouliot, underrated by many. Trade rumors.
  26. L Patrick Maroon, an outstanding value contract.
  27. L Lauri Korpikoski, is he on the way out? No buyout in sight.
  28. L Matt Hendricks, checking NHL W.
  29. L Drake Caggiula. High profile signing, likely to see some NHL time.
  30. L Jere Sallinen, Newly signed, looks like tweener offense.
  31. L Mitch Moroz, AHL winger/enforcer, improved year over year.
  32. L Braden Christoffer, rugged winger did not have a good season.
  33. R Jordan Eberle, scoring winger, found chem with McDavid.
  34. R Nail Yakupov, I think he will be traded any day.
  35. R Zack Kassian, will play bottom 6F, Chiarelli-style rugged.
  36. R Anton Slepyshev, this will be an important year for him.
  37. R Patrick Russell, power forward potential. Interesting new signing.
  38. R Greg Chase, minor league winger.

WAITING

  1. R Iiro Pakarinen, he should get signed in the next while. RFA
  2. D Jordan Oesterle, I think he has passed most of the picks. RFA.
  3. D Adam Clendening. Foot speed will cost him. RFA.
  4. D David Musil, his skills are duplicated multiple times. RFA.
  5. L Luke Gazdic. He is in tough at this points. RFA
  6. R Adam Cracknell, he brings some toughness and reliability. UFA.
  7. R Rob Klinkhammer. Off to Russia. UFA.
  8. D Adam Pardy. He played well, doubt there is room. UFA.
  9. D Eric Gryba, UFA. A chance he signs. UFA.
  10. D Nikita Nikitin, UFA. Ufa alright.
  11. D Brad Hunt. Skills are duplicated elsewhere. UFA.
  12. L Josh Winquist. Best offensive prospect in the AHL currently—but does not have an NHL deal.
  13. R Josh Currie At 23, he forced his way into the lineup and played very well. Can also play center.
  14. C Marco Roy. Began slowly, but fought his way up the depth chart and emerged as a solid option.
  15. R Tyler Pitlick. Young veteran is RFA again. If he could only stay healthy.
  16. G Niklas Lundstrom. Signed with Bjorkloven for next year.
  17. L Kale Kessy. Rugged winger, skills duplicated on roster. RFA.
  18. R Andrew Miller. He may have traded himself. No chance he returns imo. UFA.
  19. L Ryan Hamilton. May receive another deal from the Oilers.
  20. G Keven Bouchard. 2014 pick needs to be signed.
  21. L Daniil Zharkov. Own his rights.

OILERS CURRENT ROSTER

oilers current roster and cap

  • I would not be surprised to see a trade in the next 24 hours, suspect it would be Nail Yakupov.
  • I believe many of these public displays (Barrie, Hamonic) are issue framing and attempted counter treys. A giant game of chicken is taking place, suspect Edmonton is in there somewhere.
  • Peter Chiarelli has not traded Hall or Nuge, and that is a good thing.
  • Jason Demers is the very obvious free agent, but many of the teams who want to improve defense are making moves—perhaps making them less likely to push for Demers.
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Jethro Tull

Gulutzen to the Flames.

M.A. Fluery possibly to the Flames.

Detroit looking to clear roster and cap space for a run at Stamkos.

Things are heating up!

Rondo

I always worry about teams that need D and trade D’d away. Yes I realize the cap. ex Demers

slopitch

Over under on trades by Chai between now and the 4th overall selection? I will say 1.5.

The 6 million dollar question is who? More at 11.

I have a hard time seeing why Dallas doesnt want to sign Demers. It must simply be that he wants to get paid.

zatch

Jethro Tull,

While Fleury to the Flames for 2 2nd’s seems to make good sense for all involved, I have heard Fleury’s NTC has all Canadian teams on it.

Younger Oil

I may be mistaken, but didn’t Chia say at some point that he wouldn’t trade Yak if he wasn’t getting value back?

Now, I guess it’s debatable if he considers Sanheim value, I guess we will see.

I loved him as a possible 2nd or 3rd round pick in his draft year, was surprised he was picked so early.

Ca$h-McMoney!

zatch,

Yeah it’s fascinating that one. If the Pens don’t move Fleury they will have to protect him at the expansion draft, meaning they will for sure lose Murray.

If I’m the pens I take the best deal offered regardless of how bad it is. I’d rather bet on Murray at this point, and if he fails, they can always get reasonable quality veteran goaltending on the open market. Fleury is no spring chicken and while he has runs of exceptional play (see early this year) he’s also got some warts.

Rosco

No way the Oilers could get Gudas for Yakupov (+) right? Right?

Edit: Yakupov would do real well on Couturier’s wing… *sigh*

Jethro Tull

zatch:
Jethro Tull,

While Fleury to the Flames for 2 2nd’s seems to make good sense for all involved, I have heard Fleury’s NTC has all Canadian teams on it.

Even Les Habs?

N64

Lowetide:
June 16, 2016 at 2:29 pm
Магия 10: LT, what would you pay for Demer’s negotiating rights?
At this point, I doubt Dallas moves him. Unlikely they will sacrifice both veterans in one summer.

LT, Dallas media say Dallas is likely to move a 2nd veteran D. Would you give up a 4th round pick for Demer’s negotiating rights?

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-stars/stars/2016/06/16/stars-beginning-turn-roster-hopes-taking-advantage-big-strong-kids

zatch

Jethro Tull,

I was hearing ALL teams. I would imagine if Canadian teams are blanket banned, Les Habs would be highest on his list. The reasons players avoid Canada are usually the cold, the fishbowl, and taxes, and possibly things to do/proximity to fun places. Montreal is the first 3 in spades.

I wonder if the Pens try to do a trade flip? Send Fleury somewhere he wants for a goalie, send one of Murray or that goalie to Calgary.

Jethro Tull

Wife’s reaction to possibility of Las Vegas NHL team being called the Black Nights:

Huh! Why don’t they just call them the Las Vegas Hockey McHockey-faces.

(ref: Boaty McBoatface being voted by the British public as being the name of a new multi-million dollar research vessel.)

EDIT: Knights – as in Ker-nig-ets. Not Nights.

Kiltymcbagpipes

I see you have 3 Islanders on your ‘high picks who are struggling’ list. I think you can add Strome to that list and DeHaan (2009) both who could also be available. That’s 5 guys the Isles could move surely we can find a deal there.

Personally, I would still love to get Yak’s replacement now in Pulkkinen for a mid to late rd pick (no datsyuk) then a Yakupov for Watson trade would be nice especially if we move Nuge (as u mentioned, Watson has a variety of skills could be perfect #3 checking centre). Chia would always be one step ahead if he chose that path and dealing from strength not weakness.

N64

Lowetide: Since the market has been set, I would hope for a fifth, but would go conditional fourth (based on him signing) that flags to a fifth if there is no luck.

Makes sense, Halak got an unconditional 4th, but yeah that’s the record (until Stamkos?)

wheatnoil

Магия 10: LT, Dallas media say Dallas is likely to move a 2nd veteran D. Would you give up a 4th round pick for Demer’s negotiating rights?

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-stars/stars/2016/06/16/stars-beginning-turn-roster-hopes-taking-advantage-big-strong-kids

Yes. But ideally today to give maximum negotiating time.

Jethro Tull

zatch:
Jethro Tull,

I was hearing ALL teams. I would imagine if Canadian teams are blanket banned, Les Habs would be highest on his list. The reasons players avoid Canada are usually the cold, the fishbowl, and taxes, and possibly things to do/proximity to fun places. Montreal is the first 3 in spades.

I wonder if the Pens try to do a trade flip? Send Fleury somewhere he wants for a goalie, send one of Murray or that goalie to Calgary.

I don’t think Murray is going anywhere.

The number 1 draw for players is success followed by playing for your home team. (Players are fans too.)

Still MTL is unrealistic with Price there.

I think he’d welcome Cow-town. Pure conjecture though. I don’t have your sources.

Water Fire

slopitch:
Over under on trades by Chai between now and the 4th overall selection? I will say 1.5.

The 6 million dollar question is who? More at 11.

I have a hard time seeing why Dallas doesnt want to sign Demers. It must simply be that he wants to get paid.

I’ll bet it’s size. Whenever teams don’t go as deep as they think they should they seem to react by ditching skill to get bigger. I don’t know for sure but likely the same reason the Sharks moved him – LA forwards too big!

Centre of attention

According to Garth Snow the expansion rules haven’t been determined nor relayed to the teams yet.

Lowetide’s right, we have no idea how this thing is going to shake out. Silly to put major planning into it at this point.

Chris Nichols
‏@NicholsOnHockey
Snow on expansion draft: “The rules have yet to be determined and haven’t been relayed to the managers.” 1/2 #Isles SiriusXMNHL

Jaxon

I’m still hoping they can sign Demers for #1RD, and Zach Redmond for #3RD, with Fayne playing #2RD. I also think it might be a good idea to sign a vet like David Schlemko for #3LD. Then they can develop their youngsters in the AHL and it won’t be a big deal to sit Schlemko or Redmond in the press box to give the youngsters some NHL time.

If they can accomplish that, then my list of targets for trades would be:

One or two of the following Current NHLers (Pesce, Miller, Severson and Pysyk all did some AHL time last season):
1. Brett Pesce – CAR – came out of nowhere to have an amazing season for a 20 yr old.
2. RFA Colin Miller – BOS – not sure Chiarelli can do any deals with BOS because history, so this may be a non-starter.
3. Damon Severson – NJD – 3rd only because I don’t really believe he is available. I think he is their #2RD next season.
4. Mark Pysyk – BUF – a bit small and getting a bit on the old side for not making an impact yet, but he has produced well in the right situations and is stuck behind 3 decent RDs in BUF.
*I had Alex Petrovic (FLA) on my list until they traded Gudbranson. Petrovic just became their #2RD so I seriously doubt he is in play. My guess is that only Pesce and Pysyk are even remotely available.

Plus two to four of the following Close-to-Ready Prospects, especially from #1 to 4 in the East:

Eastern Options (often trades to other conference are a bit easier to make happen as they know they won’t have to face the player they trade away in future as much):
1. Madison Bowey – WSH – projects as top pair RD with a complete game, didn’t play a lot last season but he is still fairly young) – this type of player may be the key to having a true #1RD in the near future. Can Yakupov/Hendricks + get it done? They’re in win-now mode and Bowey only played 15.6 minutes per night last season.
2. RFA Morgan Ellis – MTL – big offensive D who plays about 23 minutes per game in AHL) – I really like him as an option. RFA, so he may be ‘more’ available for cheap.
3. RFA Reece Scarlett – NJD – Edmonton born 22 yr old with good offense played 21.5 minutes per night last season. RFA, so he may be ‘more’ available for cheap.
4. RFA Michael Paliotta – CBJ – I feel it was an adjustment year for Paliotta after an amazing final NCAA season where he scored at a 30 pt NHLE pace. Good skater known as shutdown type with a new offensive side played just 16.6 minutes per night. RFA, so he may be ‘more’ available for cheap.

Western Options (solid players but possibly not as available to Edmonton):
5. Brandon Montour – ANA – great numbers at 21.2 minutes per night.
6. Stephen Johns – DAL – 6’3″, 215 lbs, played 22.7 minutes per and was quite offensive.
7. Taylor Aronson – NSH – played 22.7 minutes per and produced.
8. Nikita Zadorov – COL – solid prospect who may be able to challenge or replace Barrie someday played 22.6 minutes, doubt he is available as they traded for him fairly recently.
9. Ville Pokka – CHI – as Lowetide mentioned, he is a value contract on a team that desperately needs value contracts so it is very doubtful he is available, played 23.4 minutes/GP.

Others:
10. Jordan Schmaltz – STL – young D played about 21.6 minutes and was a bit shy on offense.
11. Ryan Pulock – NYI – played 19.7 minutes and did just okay for point production. I think NYI are hoping for more.
12. Robbie Russo – DET – may have passed Ryan Sproul on DET depth chart. played 18.3 minutes per and produced a lot in those minutes, very offensive D.
13. RFA Frank Corrado – TOR – solid production during his 18.3 minutes of ice time. I think it’s psychologically easy for a GM to pull the trigger on a player he picked up on waivers and he’s an RFA so he may be very achievable.
14. RFA Ryan Sproul – DET – 6’3″, 205 lbs, neck and neck with fellow DET prospect Russo in ice time and points production.
15. Clark Seymour – PIT – 6’4″ 205lbs, produced at a decent clip in limited ice time of 16.4 minutes.
16. Brandon Carlo – BOS 6’5″, 200lbs, got a brief stint in the AHL at the end of the season, doubt the youngster is available and again, Chiarelli’s history may make a deal impossible.
17. RFA Scott Mayfield – NYI – big 6’4″, played 20.3 minutes is a bit shy offensively and not sure Chiarelli goes back to NYI pool after Reinhart, especially for a big guy who doesn’t get points.
18. RFA Dylan DeMelo – SJS – logged 22.5 minutes per last season but didn’t produce a lot of offense.

Cassandra

Fleury has to have negative value. He’s a mediocre goalie with a big contract. Why would anyone trade for him?

If Pittsburg gets out from that contract they’ve done very well.

If Calgary trades for him then Edmonton has done very well.

JimmyV1965

Not sure why Strome and Nichushkin are not on the Yak list. They seem like the Dallas and New York versions of Yak. I wouldn’t cross Barrie of the ltrade list either. Sakic saying he’s off the market stinks like a negotiating tactic to me. And what’s up with this narrative that Snow’s reputation takes a hit if he trades Hamonic? I truly don’t understand. The guy asked for a trade and set the wheels in motion. Now that he rescinded the request he’s all of a sudden off limits? Doesn’t make sense.

Centre of attention

Bob Stauffer ‏@Bob_Stauffer · 2m2 minutes ago

My “Guess” is that the Oilers do not have a lot of interest in Zach Bogosian at this time

At least Bob admits he’s just guessing.

judgedrude

Instead of trading a draft pick for the negotiating rights to Demers, is the rights to one of our RFAs (eg. Musil) maybe a better way to go?

N64

Centre of attention: According to Garth Snow the expansion rules haven’t been determined nor relayed to the teams yet.
Lowetide’s right, we have no idea how this thing is going to shake out. Silly to put major planning into it at this point.

They are still expected before the draft. At which point trading will accelerate (even if they get tweaked in December)

Aitch

If there’s an Oilers trade today, I’m not expecting it to be seen as “good for the Oilers.” Rarely do good things get announced on Friday afternoons.

Chris

I have no idea what Nill is doing in Dallas. He’s letting both Gologoski and Demers go? Letting half your top 4 go seems like a really dubius strategy kind of like loading up on expensive and not very good goaltenders.

N64

Arthur StapleVerified account ‏@StapeNewsday 2h2 hours ago
#Isles GM Garth Snow on @SiriusXMNHL just now on Okposo: “We wish him nothing but the best.” Think that tells you where that’s headed.

Bag of Pucks

“…his strengths remain dormant (mostly) because the Oilers mishandled him.”

Yakupov’s YoY Shooting %

2012-2013 – 21%
2013-2014 – 9%
2014-2015 – 7.3%
2015-2016 – 6.3%

Yes, the Oilers could’ve given Nail better support with a veteran C or more PP time (though he certainly did little to earn the latter), but his greatest alleged strength coming out of the draft was supposed to be his shot/accuracy. The velocity was impressive. The accuracy was a joke. He consistently lacked the puck sense to wait that extra split second to change his shooting angle and ya know, aim, to thus do what #1OVs are supposed to be naturally adept at, sniping the corners.

As soon as the puck hit Nail’s stick, it was off the stick, and only Gord and the wild winds knew where it was going.

I didn’t know how Nail having the yips AND zero puck sense is all on the Oil.

Imagine would it would be like to have sex with a spastic contortionist having a coughing fit? That’s what’s it like to be Yak’s linemate.

DRFNsuperstar

Yak and a pick for Gudas and a pick would be cool. But I prefer yak and Fayne for Zajac and Severson. Or Pouliot for Vatanen. But would Vatanen and Gudas be enough with Fayne still around?

Klefbom-Gudas
Sekera-Vatanen
Davidson-Fayne

mustang

I don’t understand what the hell the stars are doing. Who lets 2 of their top 3 dman walk without much of a whimper? There time is now. Benn and Seguin can’t be very happy about this.

Not to mention the goaltending is rather weak, so they want to go younger on D. Makes no sense to me.

Ca$h-McMoney!

Caramel Batman:
Fleury has to have negative value.He’s a mediocre goalie with a big contract.Why would anyone trade for him?

If Pittsburg gets out from that contract they’ve done very well.

If Calgary trades for him then Edmonton has done very well.

Fleury is pretty good. Has struggled in the playoffs, but if it weren’t for his performance prior to the coaching change they may not have made it. He’s still pretty good, though admitedly on the wrong side of 30 and not in the elite category.

There are teams that favour veteran goalies. Carolina, Vancouver, Calgary come to mind. Calgary needs one. Fleury for a pick, maybe with some dollars retained, might be a deal that gets done.

Calgary could do a whole lot worse for the next couple of years than have Fleury between the pipes.

jonrmcleod

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@StapeNewsday

#Isles GM Garth Snow on @SiriusXMNHL just now on Okposo: “We wish him nothing but the best.”

Jethro Tull

Kiltymcbagpipes:
‏ @DarrenDreger

Good info @NHL_AaronWard. Det will push to move the contract. Jurco, Pulkkinen…a 2nd as bait?Stamkos big target

I don’t know about anyone else but if Chia can get Pulkkinen AND a 2nd rd pick to take Datsyuk’s contract I say do it! A lot of good players in 2nd rd looks like plus Pulkkinen to replace Yak. It’s only 1 year left on his crappy contract. If Detroit wants Stamkos badly as reported they would pay that I would think if they have to.

I don’t think this is what good teams do.

Jethro Tull

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
@StapeNewsday

#Isles GM Garth Snow on @SiriusXMNHL just now on Okposo: “We wish the door won’t hit him in the ass on his way out”

LOLZ.

Bag of Pucks

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
@StapeNewsday

#Isles GM Garth Snow on @SiriusXMNHL just now on Okposo: “We wish him nothing but the best.”

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Sign the man.

The criticism I’ve seen is his numbers are zoomed by Tavares, but we don’t need another ‘driver.’ We need complimentary players that will cycle, go to the hard areas, and hit. Okposo looks to my eye like an ideal western conference player. Seriously, his neck is a waist. Okposo was a late bloomer but he’s entering his prime now. Much prefer this player over Lucic.

If you’ve got one each of Maroon, Okposo and Drai on your top 3 lines, your cycle game is tremendously improved.

jm363561

Cam Talbot. He will play 50 games next year. Who plays the other 30?
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Don’t you mean “Who plays the other 60?”

(Gallows humour).

SumOil

I want to apologise to Woodguy regarding the wording of my post. I was not calling you out regarding nurse. only when I replied to you were the times I was talking to or about you

mustang

Chris,
Ha, you beat me to it

Pescador

Morning Lowetide, hope you are enjoying your week off. Great thread yesterday (morning edition). Couldn’t help but notice a trend, there are a few enegmatic characters that frequent these pages. They love to “engage” others & although they appear annoyed with each other, they do it because they love to argue. Granted sometimes it gets out of hand, but for the most part it’s quite enjoyable to this neutral observer. Please don’t ever stop fighting, sorry “aggressive debating”. Also, the timeouts are hilarious.
Player movement & signings around the league are heating up, will be nice to see the Oilers get in on the action. I’m guessing Chiarelli gives us something to talk about before the weekend is out. Hopefully it’s something we like, We wait.

Jethro Tull

mustang: I don’t understand what the hell the stars are doing. Who lets 2 of their top 3 dman walk without much of a whimper?

MacTavish’s Oilers?

mustang

Jethro Tull,

Haha, something like that.

New Improved Darkness

Jethro Tull: Wife’s reaction to possibility of Las Vegas NHL team being called the Black Nights

I mentally nicknamed them the “Los Vegas Sand Huskies” the other day, but then I discovered that “Sand Huskies” have already gathered in beer leagues everywhere.

I also auditioned the “Loch Vagus Sandpipers”. The vagus nerve conveys gut instincts, many of which are useful, though it sometimes falls prey to the supernatural powers of slightly humid dice pairs (with a +3 hot lady huffing bonus). I imagined this as a very long and slender lake—the great Scottish irrigation ditch of the American mid-west—but I had trouble finding shoreline habitat at 2000 ft elevation where the great ditch could terminate into proper shorebird habitat.

Then the well went completely dry, and I fished up “Los Vegas Sands Stoners”. Well, ain’t that a speech impediment.

Perhaps if they shorten that to “Sandstoners” they could get big sponsorship from HP and open up a while-you-wait official jersey and printer cartridge boutique (official ink of the NHL) somewhere in the giant hotel mall. We might even get a compensatory pick out of this when they work up a second promotional tie-in with Coppertone.

Or they could be the “Los Vegas Sandstorm”. They’d be maybe three bad seasons away from being nicknamed the “Haboobs” and then it would be Roughriders / Rough Riders all over again.

“Canadian Habs or American Habs?” Actually, I kind of like that.

Deal me in.

N64

Dreger: “I’ll tell you what – during the Stanley Cup Final, Taylor Hall’s name became more of a name of interest than the other two, for obvious reasons”.

GM’s needed the Kessel run to see that Hall would be a steal? or just the press?

Don’t see Hall going anywhere as per Dreger’s trade deadline queries to “not just Peter Chiarelli, but those above him”:

Q. ‘Is it conceivable that Taylor Hall could be a moveable piece, if not at the deadline, then perhaps at the summer.’

A. ‘Look. There’s one untouchable and his name is Connor McDavid. The next on that list is Taylor Hall being close to untouchable.’

OF17

Kiltymcbagpipes:
‏ @DarrenDreger

Good info @NHL_AaronWard. Det will push to move the contract. Jurco, Pulkkinen…a 2nd as bait?Stamkos big target

I don’t know about anyone else but if Chia can get Pulkkinen AND a 2nd rd pick to take Datsyuk’s contract I say do it! A lot of good players in 2nd rd looks like plus Pulkkinen to replace Yak. It’s only 1 year left on his crappy contract. If Detroit wants Stamkos badly as reported they would pay that I would think if they have to.

That would blow almost all of our available cap space, which we badly need for a Dman. Even Toronto doesn’t have space for Datsyuk if they plan to add anyone significant. I think Arizona is Detroit’s only way out of that contract, and this new GM in the desert probably knows that. Detroit is kind of hooped.

Also, why would Stamkos want to go to Detroit? In terms of young futures, they’re not near the top of the list, and the traditional appeal of playing with Datsyuk, Zetterberg, et al has dwindled significantly. Why are they getting such play as a Stamkos destination?

Bag of Pucks

Do a sign and trade with the Isles.

Put pen to paper in principle with Okposo and then the following:

Eberle, Fayne & the #4th Overall for a signed Okposo, Hamonic and the Isles’ #19 pick

You jump the FA market on Okposo and Snow gets an asset he normally wouldn’t (the #4 overall) for one player walking out the door and another on the verge.

Then you pray like hell that one of Chychrun, Juolevi or Sergachev falls to #19.

And, if you’re not a fan of prayer, you draft the player the Isles want at #4 and you don’t pull the trigger on the deal until you’re sure the player you want at #19 is still there.

Water Fire

OF17: Why are they getting such play as a Stamkos destination?

They want him desperately because they have screwed up and retired all of their great players instead of trading most of them to regenerate the team. They have no elite players at all anymore and none coming.

That loyalty comes at the cost of becoming a weak team. Especially now that they don’t get the choice of UFA’s they once did.

Water Fire

Bag of Pucks:
Do a sign and trade with the Isles.

Put pen to paper in principle with Okposoand then the following:

Eberle, Fayne & the #4th Overall for a signed Okposo, Hamonic and the Isles’ #19 pick

You jump the FA market on Okposo and Snow gets an asset he normally wouldn’t (the #4 overall) for one player walking out the door and another on the verge.

Then you pray like hell that one of Chychrun, Juolevi or Sergachev falls to #19.

And, if you’re not a fan of prayer, you draft the player the Isles want at #4 and you don’t pull the trigger on the deal until you’re sure the player you want at #19 is still there.

Bag why would you trade for a definite UFA? If McDavid isn’t enough of a draw forget about him, he’s after money and not into hockey as much.

Mustard Tiger

Just had a quick conversation with Fernando Pisani.

Didn’t realize it was him until after, though.

OF17

Water Fire: They want him desperately because they have screwed up and retired all of their great players instead of trading most of them to regenerate the team. They have no elite players at all anymore and none coming.

That loyalty comes at the cost of becoming a weak team. Especially now that they don’t get the choice of UFA’s they once did.

Oh yes, I definitely see the appeal from Detroit’s point of view, I just have no idea why Stamkos would choose them over others. I can think of a few teams that would be less appealing, like the Devils, but it’s not hard to make arguments for Toronto, Tampa, Edmonton, Buffalo, and others over Detroit.