OILERS SIGN OESTERLE

The Edmonton Oilers signed Jordan Oesterle to a one-year contract today, securing a young defender who could be part of the future. Oesterle performed very well in the NHL during a brief run. It is a very impressive contract for the Oilers, one year, two-way and $585,000 (source: Ryan Rishaug). Oesterle had an AAV of $925,000 and a contract worth $767,000 a year ago, so we might see a larger AHL total when the contract hits general fanager. Peter Chiarelli has been using this a bit recently (Tyler Pitlick) and it could be beneficial for cap purposes during this year.

JORDAN OESTERLE 15-16

  • 5×5 points per 60: 0.83 (No. 3 among D with 250+ minutes 5×5)
  • 5×4 points per 60: nil (in 29 minutes and 33 seconds)
  • Corsi for 5×5 %: 48.6
  • Corsi for 5×5 % REL: 8.8
  • Qual Comp: second pairing
  • Qual Team: third pairing
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 24 shots
  • Boxcars: 17, 0-5-5 .294

VOLLMAN SLEDGEHAMMER

oilers d final vollman 15-16

One question we should try to answer: Where does Oesterle rank on the depth chart? If we place him left side, I would say Oscar Klefbom, Andrej Sekera, Brandon Davidson, Darnell Nurse are ahead of him. So, he ranks No. 5—putting him in the AHL—with Griffin Reinhart who is probably banished for bonus purposes for much of the first half of the season. One thing that makes Oesterle more valuable this season? He is not waiver eligible. That could impact his being sent down (no waiver worry) but it also means he could be an early recall.

Oesterle was a Bob Green find, signed by Craig MacTavish. He has outstanding wheels and can pass the puck smartly. Even more impressive, the defensive improvement season over season in his two years pro has been terrific. He has some things in common with Brandon Davidson and is faster.

Difficult to put a negative spin on this signing.

AHL

At the AHL level, Oesterle is a more impactful player at both ends of the ice—and a work horse. We have two sources for TOI estimates from last season, Eric Rodgers and AHL Prospects. Below: Rodgers (AHLP in brackets) for each defender.

  1. Jordan Oesterle 21:09 (21:15)
  2. Griffin Reinhart 19:03 (18:06)
  3. Brad Hunt 19:01 (21:24)
  4. David Musil 18:09 (17:19)
  5. Joey Laleggia 16:51  (18:50)
  6. Dillon Simpson 16:09 (17:38)
  7. Darnell Nurse 16:05 (15:05)
  8. Ben Betker 14:43 (13:37)

His coach played him a lot, in the AHL and Oesterle is a candidate for NHL employment in 2016-17. That dandy contract helps his chances.

CURRENT 50-MAN LIST (40)

  1. G Cam Talbot. He will play 50 games next year. Who plays the other 30?
  2. G Laurent Brossoit. Projects as NHL backup/AHL starter.
  3. G Nick Ellis: Newly signed college free agent.
  4. G Eetu Laurikainen, AHL backup, he is signed for next year.
  5. D Oscar Klefbom. Splendid young player. Watch out for falling anvils.
  6. D Andrej Sekera, top 4D, important part of the team.
  7. D Brandon Davidson, this generation’s Pisani. Major solution, low price.
  8. D Mark Fayne, Jim Matheson mentioned buy out. I don’t see it.
  9. D Darnell Nurse, bet third pair with Davidson for 2016-17.
  10. D Jordan Oesterle, he is going to push for NHL time. A good young blue.
  11. D Griffin Reinhart, he will push for NHL time again this year.
  12. D Andrew Ference, LTIR looks very likely.
  13. D Dillon Simpson, I think we may see him a little in Edmonton this year.
  14. D Joey Laleggia, scored pretty well as an AHL rookie.
  15. D Ben Betker, big man was solid at ECHL level.
  16. D Caleb Jones, WHL D. Newly signed, definite slide rule.
  17. C Connor McDavid, the hockey world remains jealous. Who can blame them?
  18. C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, am encouraged he may stay.
  19. C Leon Draisaitl, emerging NHL talent.
  20. C Mark Letestu, checking NHL C.
  21. C Anton Lander, may catch on as utility forward in 2016-17.
  22. C Jujhar Khaira, he is likely to push some more.
  23. C Bogdan Yakimov, big body, plenty of skill, wonder about the speed.
  24. C Kyle Platzer, may be the next Kyle Brodziak.
  25. L Taylor Hall, shine on you crazy diamond.
  26. L Benoit Pouliot, underrated by many. Trade rumors.
  27. L Patrick Maroon, an outstanding value contract.
  28. L Lauri Korpikoski, is he on the way out? No buyout in sight.
  29. L Matt Hendricks, checking NHL W.
  30. L Drake Caggiula. High profile signing, likely to see some NHL time.
  31. L Jere Sallinen, Newly signed, looks like tweener offense.
  32. L Mitch Moroz, AHL winger/enforcer, improved year over year.
  33. L Braden Christoffer, rugged winger did not have a good season.
  34. R Jordan Eberle, scoring winger, found chem with McDavid.
  35. R Nail Yakupov, I think he will be traded any day.
  36. R Zack Kassian, will play bottom 6F, Chiarelli-style rugged.
  37. R Tyler Pitlick. Young veteran just signed. Bakersfield, possible recalls 16-17.
  38. R Anton Slepyshev, this will be an important year for him.
  39. R Patrick Russell, power forward potential. Interesting new signing.
  40. R Greg Chase, minor league winger.

WAITING

  1. R Iiro Pakarinen, he should get signed in the next while. RFA
  2. D Adam Clendening. Foot speed will cost him. RFA.
  3. D David Musil, his skills are duplicated multiple times. RFA.
  4. L Luke Gazdic. He is in tough at this points. RFA
  5. R Adam Cracknell, he brings some toughness and reliability. UFA.
  6. R Rob Klinkhammer. Off to Russia. UFA.
  7. D Adam Pardy. He played well, doubt there is room. UFA.
  8. D Eric Gryba, UFA. A chance he signs. UFA.
  9. D Nikita Nikitin, UFA. Ufa alright.
  10. D Brad Hunt. Skills are duplicated elsewhere. UFA.
  11. L Josh Winquist. Best offensive prospect in the AHL currently—but does not have an NHL deal.
  12. R Josh Currie Signed an AHL deal with Bakersfield.
  13. C Marco Roy. Began slowly, but fought his way up the depth chart and emerged as a solid option.
  14. G Niklas Lundstrom. Signed with Bjorkloven for next year.
  15. L Kale Kessy. Rugged winger, skills duplicated on roster. RFA.
  16. R Andrew Miller. He may have traded himself. No chance he returns imo. UFA.
  17. L Ryan Hamilton. May receive another deal from the Oilers.
  18. G Keven Bouchard. 2014 pick needs to be signed.
  19. L Daniil Zharkov. Own his rights.

 

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  1. Lowetide says:

    Lebrun is talking Shattenkirk and Oilers. Sounds like they are in on it, Boston the stronger fit according to PL.

  2. Rondo says:

    Shattenkirk turns 28 in January. What would you give up for him?

  3. Richard S.S. says:

    Isn’t Peter Chiarelli taking care of the Oilers first, signing who they can? Or was he in danger of losing Jordan? Aren’t you wasting ELC time by inking Prospects (Ethan Bear) too early?

  4. Westchester Oil says:

    Nice signing by Chiarelli. Surprised that the cap hit is this low – will be interesting to see what his AHL salary will be. I would have liked a 2 year deal but I assume Oesterle is angling for a one-way deal for next year.

    I wonder if Pakirainen’s contract is being held up by discussions of one-way vs. two-way?

  5. spoiler says:

    Lowetide:
    Lebrun is talking Shattenkirk and Oilers. Sounds like they are in on it, Boston the stronger fit according to PL.

    St. Loo has been my target from the get-go. Out of all the cap-strung teams, they’re the one with excess defense, and it helps they aren’t in the division

  6. spoiler says:

    Boston might be a better fit for Shattenkirk, but I don’t see how they’re the better fit for St. Loo… surely we can offer more?

  7. fifthcartel says:

    Hmm. That’d be strange.

    I don’t doubt Stauffer’s comments, but Shattenkirk is one player he has consistently said he thinks he is going East and isn’t comign here.

  8. Protagonist says:

    Is there any word on Ethan Bear? While we’re searching for big fish, always a good idea to make sure you’ve got some bait. Or something. Analogies.

  9. Westchester Oil says:

    I thought the Leafs made a nice trade getting Frederick Anderson from the Ducks (and taking him out of our conference). That said, signing him for $5 million x 5 years might be a tad rich for someone with only ~125 games or so under his belt.

  10. Lowetide says:

    Protagonist:
    Is there any word on Ethan Bear? While we’re searching for big fish, always a good idea to make sure you’ve got some bait. Or something. Analogies.

    Nothing yet. Richard: Signing Bear now only means he is secured as a prospect. His contract would start ticking at 20 (unless he makes the team this fall and that is a distant bell).

  11. Магия 10 says:

    fifthcartel:
    Hmm. That’d be strange.

    I don’t doubt Stauffer’s comments, but Shattenkirk is one player he has consistently said he thinks he is going East and isn’t coming here.

    Even on his twitter profile:

    FOLLOWERS 108K
    Kevin ShattenkirkVerified account
    @shattdeuces
    New Yorker at heart, proud to be a terrier Defenseman for the St. Louis Blues

  12. OF17 says:

    fifthcartel:
    Hmm. That’d be strange.

    I don’t doubt Stauffer’s comments, but Shattenkirk is one player he has consistently said he thinks he is going East and isn’t comign here.

    Yeah, and trading for Shattenkirk sets us up for the ultimate kick in the nuts.

    Say he works out well but doesn’t want to re-sign. We’re now in the position where we either need to trade him to retain value from the deal (and risk the playoffs) or keep him in the hopes of making it and essentially forcing ourselves into a high-profile rental too early. Neither option is a good one. Only hope is that he likes cashing McDavid passes enough to stay, but he would certainly not be cheap to re-sign.

    If Chiarelli can get a non-commital “Yeah, we could see re-signing if the numbers are right,” out of him before the trade, the risk might be worth it. But if not, assuming Shattenkirk costs a significant price in trade, that risk seems unreasonable and avoidable to me.

  13. OF17 says:

    BTW, what time does the Bobfather’s list come out?

  14. Richard S.S. says:

    Shattenkirk doesn’t need to be protected in the Expansion Draft unless he’s extended, otherwise he’s a free agent. You don’t extend him if he underperforms beyond that which is acceptable. The whole idea is make Boston scream in pain or rage depending on who gets Shattenkirk. Who/what should you give depends on what else you are doing, just not a lot more than you’re comfortable with.

  15. Jon K says:

    OF17,

    Have to agree that Shattenkirk is a very risky player to acquire at this point. If there were any prospect of signing him long term, one would think that St. Louis would get it done. He’s a premier offensive defenseman.

    As an aside, persistent rumors about Florida moving out players like Bjugstad or Kulikov are puzzling. Unless of course, they are intentionally trying to clear cap space and a roster spot at centre. Sounds like Tallon figures Stamkos wouldn’t mind staying in Florida.

  16. Richard S.S. says:

    Lowetide,

    Thank You. I wasn’t totally sure.

  17. Edmonton_fan says:

    Jason Demers is seeking $5.5 million per season. Do we still want him?

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/report-stars-free-agent-defenseman-demers-seeking-5-5-million-per-season/

  18. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    OF17:
    BTW, what time does the Bobfather’s list come out?

    On TSN now

  19. Visually better says:

    Bob Mckenzie’s top 10 Final Draft Rankings:

    1. Matthews
    2. Laine
    3. Puljujarvi
    4. Tkachuk
    5. Dubois
    6. Juolevi
    7. Nylander
    8. Keller
    9. Sergachev
    10. Brown

    If anyone just watched this on TSN, Bob pretty much (without saying it) said that Dubois was a better player than Tkachuk….. His list after all is based on top scouts and not his own opinion if I am not correct.

    Bob said, and im paraphrasing: Dubois was a little bit bigger, and a lot faster than Tkachuk, can shoot the puck extremely well, plays the 200 foot game, will go in to the dirty areas like Tkachuk and on and on… And finishes by saying that some like Dubois over Tkachuk, but others like Tkachuk just as much hahah.

    So if anyone can decipher that, it goes with what a lot of us on here are thinking. Dubois projects to have all the intangibles of being a terrific NHLer and basically just pointed out all the things Dubois could do better or just as good as Tkachuk, but bigger and can skate like the wind. hmm..

  20. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Edmonton_fan:
    Jason Demers is seeking $5.5 million per season. Do we still want him?

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/report-stars-free-agent-defenseman-demers-seeking-5-5-million-per-season/

    He had 23 pts last year on the top team in the NHL.

    Edit: Savard is 25 signed till 2021 at $4.25 per. Really think we should focus on him in trade. I’d rather take my chances with Klefbom-Davidson top pairing with Sekera-Savard and Nurse-Pysyk.

    Is Demers that better than Davidson? Finding a replacement for Davey on the 3rd pairing should be easier than finding a top pairing Dman. I don’t count out Davidson at all.

  21. fifthcartel says:

    If Demers is seeking 5.5m, I wouldn’t be surprised if he signs for 4.75m-5m. Even Stralman didn’t get that.

  22. Visually better says:

    Also, LT.

    Is there a reason you chose this picture of Oesterle with a weinerschnitzel sign behind him? If you thought he was a weiner you could have just told us. He didn’t suggest trading the Nuge for the rights of Steven Stamkos to you did he..?

  23. godot10 says:

    Westchester Oil:
    Nice signing by Chiarelli. Surprised that the cap hit is this low – will be interesting to see what his AHL salary will be. I would have liked a 2 year deal but I assume Oesterle is angling for a one-way deal for next year.

    I wonder if Pakirainen’s contract is being held up by discussions of one-way vs. two-way?

    If one is a tweener, one doesn’t want one’s contract to be an obstacle for being called up when teams are so tight to the cap, so you bargain for a better AHL salary, and sign for the NHL minimum.

    Don’t you think Reinhart wishes he could forfeit his bonus clauses? So he would have a lower cap number.

  24. frjohnk says:

    My fear of getting Shattenkirk, as I love the player, just not the contract situation;

    -Trade the 4th overall to St Louis for Shattenkirk and their 2nd rounder ( or insert another asset). Next trade deadline, Shattenkirk is not signed, but the Oilers are actually in a playoff spot. Shattenkirk is not traded to recoup the asset and at the end of the season, he ends up hitting free agency.

    The team ends up taking a step backward…..again.

    Somebody mentioned the other day, that some wouldn’t like a trade that will happen.

    To me, its overspending on a guy that is close to UFA and then having that guy leave via free agency. In this situation, we pretty much end up turning a significant asset into dust

    Going after Shattenkirk is a gamble. Fine for teams that have not been out of the playoffs for a decade. For teams that have been out of the playoffs for a decade, is that a risk they should take?

  25. RexLibris says:

    Visually better:
    Bob Mckenzie’s top 10 Final Draft Rankings:

    1. Matthews
    2. Laine
    3. Puljujarvi
    4. Tkachuk
    5. Dubois
    6. Juolevi
    7. Nylander
    8. Keller
    9. Sergachev
    10. Brown

    If anyone just watched this on TSN, Bob pretty much (without saying it) said that Dubois was a better player than Tkachuk….. His list after all is based on top scouts and not his own opinion if I am not correct.

    Bob said, and im paraphrasing: Dubois was a little bit bigger, and a lot faster than Tkachuk, can shoot the puck extremely well, plays the 200 foot game, will go in to the dirty areas like Tkachuk and on and on… And finishes by saying that some like Dubois over Tkachuk, but others like Tkachuk just as much hahah.

    So if anyone can decipher that, it goes with what a lot of us on here are thinking. Dubois projects to have all the intangibles of being a terrific NHLer and basically just pointed out all the things Dubois could do better or just as good as Tkachuk, but bigger and can skate like the wind. hmm..

    Thanks for that.

    LT is the Chapter President of the Dubois Fan Club, but some others of us have been equally supportive of him at #4.

    What clinched it for me was his skating and playing all three positions well. Taking Dubois gives you the following list of players able to go at center: McDavid, Nugent-Hopkins, Draisaitl, Dubois. And I’m probably missing a prospect along the way there.

    So mixing one of Dubois or Draisaitl (both very large young men) onto the wings of either Nugent-Hopkins or Connor McDavid looks to me like the wisest long-term move to make here.

  26. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Edmonton_fan:
    Jason Demers is seeking $5.5 million per season. Do we still want him?

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/report-stars-free-agent-defenseman-demers-seeking-5-5-million-per-season/

    That’s a lower asking price than I was expecting. I thought 5 x 5.5m would be where the deal settles, not where he is asking.

    Starting to think the Oilers are not really that keen on him, though. Just a feeling, nothing more, based loosely on TMac’s history with him in San Jose. Turned up in camp in not great shape and ticked off the coach one year, it seems.

    I like what Buffalo is assembling over there. They have 2 months to convince Vesey to sign and play with his good buddy Jack Eichel. They are building a nice team.

    Florida also doing a nice job. Yandle younger and better than Campbell at this point.

    If the Oilers are in on Shattenkirk you would think a C is going the other way. Dubois or Draisaitl or Nuge. Maybe Sobotka comes back as a secondary piece as well to replace the lost C? No way to know, but I don’t like the way this deal has potential to bite the Oilers in the ass. Shattenkirk is going to get paid a lot of dough and he seems to prefer the East. Not every player out there wants to play with McDavid. Very risky to make a trade for Shattenkirk with only a year left til UFA. Yes, I know Talbot re-signed, but that was to be a starter. Shattenkirk will be a top 4D wherever he goes to sign. So it’s not apples to apples.

  27. Tarkus says:

    McKenzie has DeBrincat at #33.

    Assuming the Oilers hang on to #32, I could live with the Oilers going D…as in Dubois and DeBrincat.

  28. OF17 says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes,

    Thanks!

    Interesting to see Chychrun at 13. That seems like a value pick to me. Same with DeBrincat at 33. I doubt Chiarelli would take him, but I would be very pleased with DeBrincat at our 2nd. Also interesting that Filip Berglund didn’t show up. That’s good news for us. Grabbing him with one of our 3rds would be a great move IMO.

    On the other side, what is Kyrou doing all the way at 34?

    If the draft goes Tkachuk-DeBrincat-Hart-Dineen-Berglund for us, I’d consider that a great success.

  29. OF17 says:

    I’d give Demers $5-5.5. Beggars can’t be choosers. He’d essentially be Petry on the same deal, and so long as you don’t include a NMC, RHD with Demers’s ability are always tradable.

  30. Mr DeBakey says:

    From this mornings thread:

    Darren Dreger, TSN1050: “We know what the Edmonton Oilers are trying to do. They’re trying to rebuild their blueline. Well, what are you going to move to make that happen. 4th pick overall we know to be in play. So what about Taylor Hall. Lots of rumblings around the National Hockey League. ‘Maybe this is the time the Oilers change the culture of their club and Hall really is a target that they’d consider moving.’

    Change the culture?
    That sounded stupid when Tambellini mumbled it.
    Its sounds even stupider here.

    ***

    Remember when Taylor was better than Tyler in part because of his Memorial Cup exploits?
    A Winner!, they said.
    Now he’s a loser – gotta change the culture.
    Whatta buncha stupes.

    And don’t forget, Tkachuk is better than Dubois and maybe Puljujarvi because of his Memorial Cup exploits.
    Whatta buncha stupes.

    ***

    The OBC would’ve drafted Tkachuk.
    I think young Louis Del Grande will draft the faster, bigger, younger, 200-foot-game guy.

    ***
    The Oesterle signing?
    Helluva good idea.
    Winquist next please.
    And then Gryba.

  31. russ99 says:

    I’d consider going in on Shattenkirk for a year, then let’s see what shakes out.

    The expansion draft is going to shake up a lot of rosters, so next summer may be more optimal for that blockbuster deal, and also a better FA market,

    So you improve the roster for a year, and if things don’t work out, there will be other options. In the meantime we get better and more desirable an FA option with some on-ice success and a rocking new building.

    The defense options are shrinking, and Chia has to do something….

  32. Visually better says:

    RexLibris: Thanks for that.

    LT is the Chapter President of the Dubois Fan Club, but some others of us have been equally supportive of him at #4.

    What clinched it for me was his skating and playing all three positions well. Taking Dubois gives you the following list of players able to go at center: McDavid, Nugent-Hopkins, Draisaitl, Dubois. And I’m probably missing a prospect along the way there.

    So mixing one of Dubois or Draisaitl (both very large young men) onto the wings of either Nugent-Hopkins or Connor McDavid looks to me like the wisest long-term move to make here.

    My thinking exactly.. Also was said that his game looks to translate to the wing in the NHL. However I too believe he could get by just fine playing center with the size, speed and 200 ft game ability. I also believe i read somewhere his faceoff percentage was just slightly above 50% having just started playing center this year.

  33. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    frjohnk:
    My fear of getting Shattenkirk, as I love the player, just not the contract situation;

    -Trade the 4th overall to St Louis for Shattenkirk and their 2nd rounder ( or insert another asset). Next trade deadline, Shattenkirk is not signed, but the Oilers are actually in a playoff spot.Shattenkirk is not traded to recoup the asset and at the end of the season, he ends up hitting free agency.

    The team ends up taking a step backward…..again.

    Somebody mentioned the other day, that some wouldn’t like a trade that will happen.

    To me, its overspending on a guy that is close to UFA and then having that guy leave via free agency.In this situation, we pretty much end up turning a significant asset into dust

    Going after Shattenkirk is a gamble.Fine for teams that have not been out of the playoffs for a decade.For teams that have been out of the playoffs for a decade, is that a risk they should take?

    This. For Exhibit A of disaster scenario see New York Rangers and Keith Yandle:

    The New York Rangers acquired defensemen Keith Yandle and Chris Summers and a fourth-round pick in the 2016 NHL Draft from the Arizona Coyotes on Sunday for defenseman John Moore, forward prospect Anthony Duclair, a second-round pick, and a conditional first-round pick.

    In the first of what likely will be several moves in the coming weeks, the Rangers on Monday swapped the negotiating rights to unrestricted free agent defenseman Keith Yandle to the Florida Panthers for a sixth round pick in next weekend’s draft and a conditional fourth-rounder in 2017.

    —-
    Summers, 4th, 6th, possible 2017 4th, and one year and 6 weeks of Keith Yandle

    for

    Duclair, 20th overall, Moore

    —–
    If the Rangers had re-signed Yandle and were in their window of contending it wouldn’t be bad. But letting him go, this is painful.

    Imagine trading #4 or Nuge or Drai for one year of Shattenkirk. If the Oilers were contenders you may be able to justify it, but they are so far from that point this is a highly risky trade.

    Of course, maybe Chia knows it and can make the deal without including one of those 3 (and of course not trading Hall, McD). In that case, go for it.

  34. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Mr DeBakey,

    Bear.
    So we can quit worrying.

  35. Mr DeBakey says:

    Rondo: Shattenkirk turns 28 in January. What would you give up for him?

    Shattenkirk is an UFA after this season. What would you give up for him?

  36. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    russ99:
    I’d consider going in on Shattenkirk for a year, then let’s see what shakes out.

    The expansion draft is going to shake up a lot of rosters, so next summer may be more optimal for that blockbuster deal, and also a better FA market,

    So you improve the roster for a year, and if things don’t work out, there will be other options. In the meantime we get better and more desirable an FA option with some on-ice success and a rocking new building.

    The defense options are shrinking, and Chia has to do something….

    Your last line scares me. Making moves under those circumstances do not lend well to good odds of being on the winning side of the trade (and yes, you want to win this trade for sure because the stakes are so high).

  37. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Mr DeBakey: Shattenkirk is an UFA after this season. What would you give up for him?

    I would give up #32, Reinhart, and a conditional 2017 1st. If Shattenkirk re-signs and the Oilers finish outside the bottom 5 picks St. Louis gets the 1st. If the Oilers finish in the basement again but Shattenkirk re-signs they get a 2018 unprotected 1st. If Shattenkirk doesn’t re-sign St. Louis gets a 2017 3rd.

    Edit- I doubt that gets it done given the scarcity of RHD these days, but that’s what I would offer.

    St. Louis gets a solid lefty D prospect, and 2 expansion draft-exempt assets (#32 where they could get a Debrincat or someone like that, and potentially a future 1st as well). They also get cap space, which is crucial.

  38. russ99 says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Your last line scares me. Making moves under those circumstances do not lend well to good odds of being on the winning side of the trade (and yes, you want to win this trade for sure because the stakes are so high).

    Oh I agree. Very dangerous. Depends on what assets we’d give up.

    But what’s the alternative? Another bottom 5 finish would be disasterous. Would rather a stopgap deal than taking a chance on someone like Pysyk.

    Hopefully Chia is playing the patience card that got us a steal with Talbot last year.

  39. Klima's_Bucket says:

    @GeorgeRichards 8m
    .@FlaPanthers gm Tom Rowe expects Brian Campbell to test free agency

    Word is he’s seeking a three year deal.
    Would you be comfortable giving Campbell 3 years and if so, at what price?

  40. spoiler says:

    frjohnk:
    My fear of getting Shattenkirk, as I love the player, just not the contract situation;

    -Trade the 4th overall to St Louis for Shattenkirk and their 2nd rounder ( or insert another asset). Next trade deadline, Shattenkirk is not signed, but the Oilers are actually in a playoff spot.Shattenkirk is not traded to recoup the asset and at the end of the season, he ends up hitting free agency.

    The team ends up taking a step backward…..again.

    Somebody mentioned the other day, that some wouldn’t like a trade that will happen.

    To me, its overspending on a guy that is close to UFA and then having that guy leave via free agency.In this situation, we pretty much end up turning a significant asset into dust

    Going after Shattenkirk is a gamble.Fine for teams that have not been out of the playoffs for a decade.For teams that have been out of the playoffs for a decade, is that a risk they should take?

    I think if it came to that, we would still trade him at the deadline. He should bring a first rounder then, so the key is making sure the vig to get him now is not prohibitive.

    In consideration of what CHI paid to unload a salary, St. Louis is a phone call that has to be made.

    Not saying we will get paid to take him–that’s a bit unlikely–but the ask should be diminished from normal rates.

  41. Bag of Pucks says:

    Great segment on Dubois in Mackenzie’s final rankings show: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/bob-mckenzie-s-final-draft-rankings-show%7E895049

    Tkachuk vs Dubois almost looks like the classic nature vs nurture debate. Tkachuk has the bloodlines. Dubois is the hardcore gym rat. Will be berry interesting to see who becomes the better pro.

  42. spoiler says:

    NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker": I would give up #32, Reinhart, and a conditional 2017 1st. If Shattenkirk re-signs and the Oilers finish outside the bottom 5 picks St. Louis gets the 1st. If the Oilers finish in the basement again but Shattenkirk re-signs they get a 2018 unprotected 1st. If Shattenkirk doesn’t re-sign St. Louis gets a 2017 3rd.

    That might get it done… what does BOS or NYR have to offer?

  43. spoiler says:

    When was the last time a 5’10” center beat a 6’6″ center on scout’s rankings?

    Times they is a-changin’.

  44. Visually better says:

    What if making the blockbuster move is all that Chia can do once all these D options run dry.

    If lets say Shattenkirk goes to Bean town, Hamonic, Barrie, Vatanen etc.. all stay put, maybe that massive Steve Austin for a #1d trade is the only way to get full (full-ish) value. Again goes back to rival gm’s trying to take advantage of our weakness. It’s difficult to try to explain what I mean; but I’ll give it a shot:

    Maybe the only way to not get hosed on a right hand shot defenseman, is just NOT trading for one. Maybe the actual play is to really go big fish hunting and go after a Lindholm type. Yeah losing Taylor Hall would hurt like hell, but if Chia was to draft Dubois (please lord), aquire Lindholm and play Nurse and Reinhart in the AHL depending on who our 5th/6th defenseman are andN we could have an extremely talented, and quite young defense group going forward. Sign a right shot Okposo or Loui Eriksson who I personally would seriously consider, and we have all of our bases covered (except a Pouliot/Maroon) in expansion.

    (Maroon/Eriksson)- Mcdavid -(Okposo/Yak)
    Pouliot – Nugent-Hopkins – Eberle
    Dubois – Draisaitl – Pakarinen
    Hendricks Letestu – Kassian

    Lindholm – Davidson
    Klefbom – Sekera
    Nurse/Oesterle/Reinhart – Fayne

    Obviously slating Dubois there is an assumption for the year after as I dont’ think he will be playing full time NHL minutes this coming year, but we are talking about the OIlers here. Definitely have some guys playing on the wrong side defensively; and in an ideal world I would still significantly change the depth positions of the 3rd and 4th lines, and maybe a Brian Campbell signing.

    Getting Brian Campbell at 2/3 years, Loui Eriksson at 3/4/5 would be intriguing..

    anyways, I would still do some definite tinkering, but based on speculation, That looks like some solid Balance of speed/size, offense/defense and youth/veteran players to me… Thoughts?

  45. judgedrude says:

    Mr DeBakey: Shattenkirk is an UFA after this season. What would you give up for him?

    Can I start the bidding at Musil and an Xth rounder?

  46. OF17 says:

    NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker": I would give up #32, Reinhart, and a conditional 2017 1st. If Shattenkirk re-signs and the Oilers finish outside the bottom 5 picks St. Louis gets the 1st. If the Oilers finish in the basement again but Shattenkirk re-signs they get a 2018 unprotected 1st. If Shattenkirk doesn’t re-sign St. Louis gets a 2017 3rd.

    Edit- I doubt that gets it done given the scarcity of RHD these days, but that’s what I would offer.

    St. Louis gets a solid lefty D prospect, and 2 expansion draft-exempt assets (#32 where they could get a Debrincat or someone like that, and potentially a future 1st as well). They also get cap space, which is crucial.

    That seems reasonable. I think you’re right that high-value conditional picks are the way to make this work for the Oilers. Reinhart plus a 2nd guaranteed with a 1st or more on the way conditional. I could see that being a nice deal for us.

  47. spoiler says:

    DeBrincat, Benson, Raddysh, Mascherin all ranked above 30… there’s going to be good value there at 32. Gonna drive LT nuts worrying about whether we’re going to trade the pick…

  48. OF17 says:

    judgedrude: Can I start the bidding at Musil and an Xth rounder?

    If it’s Musil, that Xth rounder is our 2016 1st, which is not worth it.

  49. spoiler says:

    judgedrude: Can I start the bidding at Musil and an Xth rounder?

    Probably no better way to save on long distance charges, lol.

  50. judgedrude says:

    OF17: If it’s Musil, that Xth rounder is our 2016 1st, which is not worth it.

    1st doesn’t end with “th” …. I’m out.

  51. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    spoiler: That might get it done… what does BOS or NYR have to offer?

    Rangers don’t have much unless they can move Girardi or Staal. Ranger fans liked Yandle a lot and they had to let him sail down the river because of money, so I doubt the Rangers can realistically participate in the Shatty sweepstakes. So we can cross them off the list.

    Boston, they still have Chara’s big contract. I could see them wanting to bring the former Terrier back, but tough to say what they could actually offer. I might be worried what the Leafs may offer, though. It may not be the US, but it is in the East, and Babcock/Lamoriello and all that, plus Matthews and some other young talent in the fold.

  52. spoiler says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Rangers don’t have much unless they can move Girardi or Staal. Ranger fans liked Yandle a lot and they had to let him sail down the river because of money, so I doubt the Rangers can realistically participate in the Shatty sweepstakes. So we can cross them off the list.

    Boston, they still have Chara’s big contract. I could see them wanting to bring the former Terrier back, but tough to say what they could actually offer. I might be worried what the Leafs may offer, though. It may not be the US, but it is in the East, and Babcock/Lamoriello and all that, plus Matthews and some other young talent in the fold.

    Philly might be a player in this room too.

  53. judgedrude says:

    Since this post is about Oesterle, I thought that attaching this COH article for archival purposes.

    edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/cult-of-hockey-moving-the-puck-oesterle-davidson-lead-fayne-clendening-bleed

    TL;DR – Oesterle rocks the zone exits.

  54. speeds says:

    NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker": I would give up #32, Reinhart, and a conditional 2017 1st. If Shattenkirk re-signs and the Oilers finish outside the bottom 5 picks St. Louis gets the 1st. If the Oilers finish in the basement again but Shattenkirk re-signs they get a 2018 unprotected 1st. If Shattenkirk doesn’t re-sign St. Louis gets a 2017 3rd.

    Edit- I doubt that gets it done given the scarcity of RHD these days, but that’s what I would offer.

    St. Louis gets a solid lefty D prospect, and 2 expansion draft-exempt assets (#32 where they could get a Debrincat or someone like that, and potentially a future 1st as well). They also get cap space, which is crucial.

    If the 2017 1st is in play, I’d probably rather use it for a younger player via trade or offer sheet.

  55. Rondo says:

    spoiler,

    #63- Dahlen , Fox and Allison

  56. v4ance says:

    Down Goes Brown ‏@DownGoesBrown

    So more thoughts on Andersen. The trade and contract, taken together, plant a flag in the ground: This is the Leafs #1 guy going forward.

    Could that work out? It definitely could. In three years in the NHL, Andersen has shown that he could absolutely be a #1 guy in this league.

    Key word is “could”. He’s no sure thing. Few goalies are, of course. Which is why locking into one is often a bad idea. Voodoo and all that.

    And yes, draft picks aren’t sure things either. There’s risk on both sides. But when you lock in for five years, you’d better be right.

    As for the trade itself, fair market value was set last year and Leafs paid it. Cool. But is the market about to shift thanks to expansion?

    In other words, the Maple Leafs may have just paid full sticker price at a store where everything is about to go on sale.

    So this is pretty much how I feel about the Andersen trade/signing as well. Looking at how the Oilers handled the Talbot trade/signing, it feels like Toronto overpaid in assets and cap for a goalie of roughly the same pedigree. Paying that much is saying that TO management is SURE that Andersen is an undisputed #1 for their team.

    Anaheim solved their goalie logjam but DET, TB, PIT and TOR (LOL!) all have two goalies and they’re all looking to offload one because they’ll only be able to keep one during the expansion next year. Goalies should be going at pennies on the dollar by next trade deadline.

  57. Mr DeBakey says:

    Bag of Pucks: Tkachuk has the bloodlines.

    You know DuBois’ dad was drafted by the NHL.
    He played pro for several years.
    Both of them [the dads] are above the 90 percentile line.

  58. Lowetide says:

    Incarcerated Bob IBN ‏@incarceratedbob 5m5 minutes ago

    **NHL RUMORS**
    Some whispers from Edmonton : Taylor Hall to Islanders talk starting to heat up – just rumors not done … yet
    #IBN

    Incarcerated Bob IBN ‏@incarceratedbob 36s37 seconds ago

    **NHL RUMORS**
    Oilers shopping #Hall so far most interested #Islanders #Bruins #Devils
    #Habs #Sens could get involved depending on price

    Don’t panic, I am just passing this along.

  59. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Lowetide:
    Incarcerated Bob IBN ‏@incarceratedbob 5m5 minutes ago

    **NHL RUMORS**
    Some whispers from Edmonton : Taylor Hall to Islanders talk starting to heat up – just rumors not done … yet
    #IBN

    Incarcerated Bob IBN ‏@incarceratedbob 36s37 seconds ago

    **NHL RUMORS**
    Oilers shopping #Hall so far most interested #Islanders #Bruins #Devils
    #Habs #Sens could get involved depending on price

    Don’t panic, I am just passing this along.

    Ha you beat me to it! All I saw was Hall and Islanders then my Internet dropped…..usually with incarcerated Bob where there’s smoke there’s fire… the next day

    Edit: If we do trade Hall for Hamonic+ you gotta think Lucic trade won’t be far behind.

  60. meanashell11 says:

    Магия 10,

    So I know Shattenkirk. He coached my youngest sons for summer hockey a few years ago. The WJC were in Ottawa and we went up and while Canada is our team, we cheered for Kevin when we could. During warm up before the Canada game he saw my boys and skated over and said hello. My guess is he wants to be a Ranger and unless this is a sign and trade I do not give up much. However he is a humble guy, McD might be able to persuade him!

  61. John Chambers says:

    Mr DeBakey: Shattenkirk is an UFA after this season. What would you give up for him?

    Because his future with the Oilers is uncertain, the deal would have to be centred around futures.

    STL probably gets enticed by a package of the #32 OV + a 2017 1st + Davidson. They get a value contract LHD to play alongside their two stud RHD and some high draft picks.

    If in February Shattenkirk still refuses to sign in Edm you can likely recover a 1st for him. I’d hate to lose Davy but he’s an expansion risk, and the 32OV is the cost of doing business to get STL to trade with us instead of say Boston or the Rangers.

    Indeed were exposing ourselves to some semblance of risk, but we would ice a balanced lineup to start the season without touching the core. Trade down with Buffalo to get Pysyk and their pick and the RD problem has all but been solved.

  62. kooler says:

    Sounds like a lot of good kids all the way into the 2nd. What would it take to get something like Arizonas first 3 picks to stock the shelves.

  63. spoiler says:

    Lowetide:
    Incarcerated Bob IBN ‏@incarceratedbob 5m5 minutes ago

    **NHL RUMORS**
    Some whispers from Edmonton : Taylor Hall to Islanders talk starting to heat up – just rumors not done … yet
    #IBN

    Incarcerated Bob IBN ‏@incarceratedbob 36s37 seconds ago

    **NHL RUMORS**
    Oilers shopping #Hall so far most interested #Islanders #Bruins #Devils
    #Habs #Sens could get involved depending on price

    Don’t panic, I am just passing this along.

    Who is Incarcerated Bob?

  64. John Chambers says:

    v4ance,

    Fayne for Bernier?

  65. Lowetide says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes: Ha you beat me to it! All I saw was Hall and Islanders then my Internet dropped…..usually with incarcerated Bob where there’s smoke there’s fire… the next day

    Yeah, I am interested because honestly the Islanders are a good match for Edmonton:

    1. Hamonic
    2. Boychuk (NMC)
    3. Kulemin
    4. Lee
    5. RIghts to Nielsen

  66. Todd Macallan says:

    Quite the NYI rumour, haven’t heard them mentioned in the Hall hocum yet. Purely as an academic exercise, what might a deal look like with them? Perhaps LT’s long awaited 3 for 1, in the wrong direction.

    Hamonic + Brock Nelson + MDC/Pulock.

    I don’t know that I would do this. Not sure what more they could offer us.

  67. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    speeds: If the 2017 1st is in play, I’d probably rather use it for a younger player via trade or offer sheet.

    Sure, but the question asked did not include the option to make a trade or offer sheet for another player. The question was what would you offer for Shattenkirk? I assumed that meant that if he was the most realistic available option, then what would you offer, in which case that’s what I would offer. He’s not my first choice, either but there aren’t very many clearly visible alternatives out there, either.

  68. Lowetide says:

    B.D. Gallof ‏@BDGallof now6 seconds ago

    don’t have kind of pieces to even grab a high priced asset like Hall once Hamonic was off market. EDM auctioning. Don’t think #isles buying

  69. Mr DeBakey says:

    spoiler: DeBrincat, Benson, Raddysh, Mascherin all ranked above 30… there’s going to be good value there at 32.

    Gotta go for the RHD, Allard I’d say.

  70. square_wheels says:

    Lowetide,

    Might as well start posting @treenasoil as well, she’s saying all eastern teams and the Blues in on Hall.

    God help us all if the 3 for 1 is the old reversaroo.

    At this point I’m going to go to the bank with the assumption Hall has quietly asked to be dealt.

    Fucking Oilers. Fuck.

  71. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Lowetide: Yeah, I am interested because honestly the Islanders are a good match for Edmonton:

    1. Hamonic
    2. Boychuk (NMC)
    3. Kulemin
    4. Lee
    5. RIghts to Nielsen

    And not one of those pieces is worth Hall. If we (and Hall) suffered for 6 years together so we would be the ones making the 1-for-3 trade, giving up the best player in the deal, I really don’t know what to say. I think I might have a break down. Trading your 2nd best player, a King, a bonafide top 5 LW in the game for 7s and 8s and 9s…I hope there is no substance to this.

    I can get behind a one-for-one trade (Johansen-Jones or Hall-Lindholm) for example, but trading Hall for a collection of decent, lesser parts would be soul-crushing for me, at least.

  72. square_wheels says:

    Lowetide,

    BUT IM PANICKING !!!!

  73. BONVIE says:

    square_wheels:
    Lowetide,

    Might as well start posting @treenasoil as well, she’s saying all eastern teams and the Blues in on Hall.

    God help us all if the 3 for 1 is the old reversaroo.

    At this point I’m going to go to the bank with the assumption Hall has quietly asked to be dealt.

    Fucking Oilers. Fuck.

    95% of the time the team getting the best player wins the trade handily, I don’t see any Isles trade involving Hall where we will get the best player, unless….Tavares?

  74. John Chambers says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    @GeorgeRichards 8m
    .@FlaPanthers gm Tom Rowe expects Brian Campbell to test free agency

    Word is he’s seeking a three year deal.
    Would you be comfortable giving Campbell 3 years and if so, at what price?

    Man two years would be perfect. Expires right when McD signs his deal.

    Not sure a 3rd year is stomachable for a player that age.

  75. Bag of Pucks says:

    Mr DeBakey: You know DuBois’ dad was drafted by the NHL.
    He played pro for several years.
    Both of them [the dads] are above the 90 percentile line.

    Hey, what’s with the facts?

    I’m trying to start a narrative here! ; )

    Seriously, thanks, I did not know that about the Dad. Only the uncle.

    To be fair, most draft prospects are probably rocking a tall combo of nature AND nurture.

  76. Todd Macallan says:

    IF there is truth to Hall being “auctioned” it begs the question if Chia has a LW replacement in mind already. Many suggest Lucic but I am more hopeful for Eriksson, should a new LW be needed. Also has a history with Chia, as Lucic does.

  77. Centre of attention says:

    Lowetide: Yeah, I am interested because honestly the Islanders are a good match for Edmonton:

    1. Hamonic
    2. Boychuk (NMC)
    3. Kulemin
    4. Lee
    5. RIghts to Nielsen

    Only Hamonic really interests me in a Hall trade. The others are just spare parts.

    I agree with Isles media, hard to see a package that works, because Oilers would need more than Hamonic and I don’t know if Snow is comfortable with that.

  78. John Chambers says:

    Lowetide:
    B.D. Gallof ‏@BDGallof now6 seconds ago

    don’t have kind of pieces to even grab a high priced asset like Hall once Hamonic was off market. EDM auctioning. Don’t think #isles buying

    My interpretation is that Chia is trying to get something out of Anaheim and that there’s a framework for a Hall-Lindholm deal in place.

    A Hall for Hamonic or Subban deal may be possible but it would take massaging from the other side. Lindholm is probably the best possible player for us to acquire unless Montreal was willing to eat some of PKs contract.

  79. Centre of attention says:

    B.D. Gallof ‏@BDGallof 3m3 minutes ago
    Historically #isles avoid overpayment (thus those auctions) – so don’t see them as players for Taylor Hall unless price comes down

    Keep that price high Peter. So damn high that you just don’t trade him.

  80. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    John Chambers,

    I wish you were right but it says Eastern teams…

    Hall going for McDonagh?

    That would be unexpected. How would people feel about that?

  81. John Chambers says:

    Centre of attention: Only Hamonic really interests me in a Hall trade. The others are just spare parts.

    I agree with Isles media, hard to see a package that works, because Oilers would need more than Hamonic and I don’t know if Snow is comfortable with that.

    What about Hamonic AND Brock Nelson who can play Centre?

    I still wouldn’t do it, but it would narrow the gap.

  82. Water Fire says:

    Offer sheet loving friends – does the fact nobody offer sheets much have any bearing on your thinking?

    My take is that in a league with no cap you would, maybe, see some. In a capped league it’s dice rolling beyond normal.

    The thing you all forget is that it is a small swimming pool party, and nobody else is ever invited, very often, and that guy every 20 years pees in the pool. The other guys are dying to yank your trunks down or give you an innapropriate dunk.

  83. Bulging Twine says:

    Shattenkirk was shockingly bad in his own zone in the playoffs. Really lacked awareness. Not fast in defending either. Sloppy stickwork, easily beaten by puck carriers entering zone. Hoping the Oilers stay away.

  84. Centre of attention says:

    John Chambers: What about Hamonic AND Brock Nelson who can play Centre?

    I still wouldn’t do it, but it would narrow the gap.

    I think they would rather give us Strome. IDK if I do that deal either.

  85. Mr DeBakey says:

    John Chambers: What about Hamonic AND Brock Nelson who can play Centre?

    And the 19th
    And they take Korpikoski
    And give Barzal back

  86. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    John Chambers: What about Hamonic AND Brock Nelson who can play Centre?

    I still wouldn’t do it, but it would narrow the gap.

    From Isles perspective and from what I’ve gathered checking out some of their forums the most likeliest pieces available are:

    1) Hamonic still
    2) Ryan Strome
    3) Michael Dal Colle
    4) 19th overall pick

    Isles only have a 1st and 4th Rd pick I think I read so not opposed to trading #19 if they get more picks or a top guy like Hall

    How about Hamonic, Strome, Dal Colle and 19th overall FOR
    Hall and Fayne?

    I’d be OK with that if I knew for sure Lucic was on the horizon. Still would rather trade Eberle and or Hopkins first but if we get Hamonic and Lucic+ out of this I’m not going to complain.

  87. square_wheels says:

    BONVIE,

    You got it Pontiac. If Hall goes it had damn well better be for a Lindholm caliber player. Jones I’m not 100% sold on although I believe WG indicated his fancies are better than PK’s.

    If we end up with PK I think we have to watch the eastern horizon for the mushroom cloud coming from east central Alberta (a certain Rick Bear lives out by Oyen/Delia).

  88. AsiaOil says:

    I like PLD because of his size, speed and desire to play in the greasy areas. Take a look at his goals – a majority come from the high danger areas right in front of the nest and he goes there without hesitation. This really is a test of the Oilers procurement to see if they value sizzle or the steak. For me I have the following decision tree if the top 3 go as planned.

    Plan A – trade down to #7 or #8 for a RHD and pick Sergachev (sell the sizzle and buy under-valued steak)
    Plan B – pick PLD (don’t get fancy and just buy the steak)
    Plan C – pick Tkachuk (buy the sizzle)

  89. Pechetr says:

    Columbus needs a center in a bad way. If they don’t trade for one, they will draft one. Don’t be surprised to see Dubois taken at number 3.

  90. John Chambers says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    In order of preference I’d go:
    – Lindholm (next contract will be 6 or 7 years so optimal cost + team control)
    – Subban (best all around D but that contract means Jordan Eberle eventually gets dealt)
    – Hamonic + (nice player, great contract, likely to re-sign, shy on offense. More of a #2)
    – McDonagh (great contract but will want to sign for term at age 30 in three years, and can foresee his offense declining as he’s the eldest of the group)

  91. LadiesloveSmid says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    I can’t imagine I watch a ton of oiler hockey next year when Hall goes for Hamonic and a mid-late 1st round pick. Not tough enough to stomach that. Use the damn 4th overall to get a D

  92. Water Fire says:

    Hall trade calls should be:

    Hall, yes anybody but McDavid is available.

    Garth it would take Tavares and Hamonic for Taylor and Nurse.

    No I’d get fired

    Hamonic and something for Marino and Eberle

    Forget it, you owe me one and I will be back to claim it, or you have to buy all the shots at the next GM meeting, welcher. And I’ll tell Charles why.

  93. square_wheels says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

    Now that’s a tough one. Love McDonagh but just like Hall he’s not signing here after his contract expires in 3 seasons. Lots of hard miles carrying Staal and Girardi’s ineffective minutes.

    I think in the time it took to type this I’m now a firm no.

  94. BONVIE says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
    John Chambers,

    I wish you were right but it says Eastern teams…

    Hall going for McDonagh?

    That would be unexpected. How would people feel about that?

    If we’re going to somehow trade Hall, I’d at least know we’re getting a veteran stud Dman coming the other way makes me feel much better. A few names I feel comfortable with Hall being traded for Pietrbngelo, McDonough, Subban, Hedman of course.

  95. flyfish1168 says:

    Lowetide: Yeah, I am interested because honestly the Islanders are a good match for Edmonton:

    1. Hamonic
    2. Boychuk (NMC)
    3. Kulemin
    4. Lee
    5. RIghts to Nielsen

    5 for 1. but the best player is Hall I like rumors but not when its about Hall

  96. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Adrian Dater ✔ @adater
    Shattenkirk wants to play for the Rangers, but no cap room https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/744988634290360321
    1:32 PM – 20 Jun 2016

  97. square_wheels says:

    BONVIE,

    Piet has been in decline for 2 years although he looked good in the playoffs. Hedman is a UFA after next year…..wait to see how looney the Vegas expansion gets because his next 10 year deal will pay him (north of 70M I would guess).

    Subban……..not sure his overall game is worth 9M.

    McDonagh we would have 3 years of then nothing to show for but the novelty of owning Hall jerseys.

  98. jonrmcleod says:

    I think this guy is more believable that Incarcerated Bob:

    Jimmy Murphy
    @MurphysLaw74
    Hearing Oilers & Isles discussing possible trade involving Taylor Hall. Oilers interested in Travis Hamonic but nothing close to done yet.

    Edit: Unless he’s hearing these rumours from Incarcerated Bob.

  99. Lowetide says:

    Jimmy Murphy ‏@MurphysLaw74 2m2 minutes ago

    Hearing Oilers & Isles discussing possible trade involving Taylor Hall. Oilers interested in Travis Hamonic but nothing close to done yet.

    Jimmy Murphy ‏@MurphysLaw74 37s37 seconds ago

    Regarding Isles-Oilers talks, don’t be surprised if Johnny Boychuk is discussed. Chiarelli knows him and he’s from EDM so may waive NMC.

    I follow Murphy, he is credible.

  100. OF17 says:

    Mr DeBakey: Gotta go for the RHD, Allard I’d say.

    Allard didn’t make the McKenzie list, which was surprising. Spending a 2nd on him would be a mistake based on that projection.

  101. square_wheels says:

    God damn is Preacher ever a fantastic TV series.

  102. square_wheels says:

    Lowetide,

    I’M DONE PANICKING IM NOW SWITCHING TO WILD TURKEY

    FUCKETY FUCK FUCKING FUCK

  103. JOFA says:

    Silly season is officially upon us. Stay away from the Kool-aid stand;)

  104. OF17 says:

    If Hall goes to the Islanders for any less than Hamonic + Nelson + 1st or similar and Chiarelli doesn’t follow that up with a Lucic/Eriksson signing for reasonable dollars, I’m going to lose it.

    Even then, I’ll probably lose it.

    MAYBE trade Hall for Lindholm type stud D. But trading him for a collection of lesser pieces?

  105. flyfish1168 says:

    Michael Dal Colle, Ryan Pulock , Mathew Barzal and Travis Hamonic for Hall and a 3rd rounder I would be interested. 🙂

  106. Gordies Elbow says:

    Lowetide,

    Johnny B is owed $34.5 million on his contract and is 32 years of age, and Edmonton’s best player just turned 19 in January.

    It would have to be one hell of a “throw in” to make a deal around Hall and Boychuck.

  107. Lowetide says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    Lowetide,

    Johnny B is owed $34.5 million on his contract and is 32 years of age, and Edmonton’s best player just turned 19 in January.

    It would have to be one hell of a “throw in” to make a deal around Hall and Boychuck.

    There is no way to do a deal around Hall and Boychuk. You would have a helluva time doing a deal around Hall and anyone on NYI, but it would start with Hamonic.

    I think NY Islanders are a good match for Edmonton, but not in a Hall deal.

  108. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    Lowetide,

    Johnny B is owed $34.5 million on his contract and is 32 years of age, and Edmonton’s best player just turned 19 in January.

    It would have to be one hell of a “throw in” to make a deal around Hall and Boychuck.

    Forget Boychuk it’s Hall for Hamonic++ or no deal. What about Okposo?

  109. square_wheels says:

    Lowetide,

    Boychuk will make Hall’s money until he’s 38.5 yrs old.

    If that’s the cornerstone for trading Hall then……..then I don’t fucking know anymore.

  110. Gordies Elbow says:

    OF17,

    I wouldn’t be shocked at a Hall for Hamonic and Nelson, and Draisaitl + a sweetener for Faulk. Edmonton drafts Tkachuck (even though I’m on #teamdubois) Edmonton overpays.

    Pouliot-RNH-Eberle
    Tkachuck-McDavid-Yakupov
    Maroon-Nelson-Kassian
    Hendricks-Letestu-Pakarinen

    Klefbom-Faulk
    Sekera-Hamonic
    Davidson-Fayne

    Talbot
    (backup)

    PS: Not what I’m hoping for, but this is close to what I expect.

  111. OF17 says:

    flyfish1168:
    Michael Dal Colle, Ryan Pulock , Mathew Barzal and Travis Hamonic for Hall and a 3rd rounder I would be interested.

    I hope you’re joking. That deal boils down to Hall for Hamonic and a bunch of hopes and prayers. Nowhere near good enough.

    Gordies Elbow:
    Lowetide,

    Johnny B is owed $34.5 million on his contract and is 32 years of age, and Edmonton’s best player just turned 19 in January.

    It would have to be one hell of a “throw in” to make a deal around Hall and Boychuck.

    I don’t think the Islanders have a throw in that big to be honest. Only guy on that team I’d feel comfortable trading Hall for is Tavares, and we all know that won’t happen.

  112. JDï™ says:

    flyfish1168: 🙂

    Might have to add a Yak.

  113. Water Fire says:

    Hall for Tavares or nothing. Hall and Nuge for Tavares, Hamonic and their first. Maybe.

  114. square_wheels says:

    Tavares is UFA in 2 yrs, another player that isn’t resigning here.

  115. spoiler says:

    Магия 10: https://davidpurdumsports.com/2013/06/11/what-happened-when-i-tried-to-interview-incarcerated-bob/

    Wow, then there’s a lot of frantic panty-twisting going on over a rumour from an established fraud.

  116. danny says:

    What’s the probability that Hall has asked the Oilers to look for a trade?

    I doubt it’s a hardliners trade me demand, but you don’t put an elite top 5 winger out on auction for the heck if it.

    The guy is a winner until he gets here and it’s probably old to him now. He is going to be leapfrogged by CMD for team captain this fall. That’s an uncomfortable media day for a proud guy like Hall.

    Hall’s value is extremely high so please Chia,don’t mess this up.

    Parayko, Schwartz + 1st for Hall + 2nd?

  117. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    I have a feeling tomorrow this site is going to explode. Lol. I can’t wait!

    (Better rest up LT, you are going to be handing out yellow cards like candy if Hall gets traded!)

  118. godot10 says:

    Some brainstorms….

    Taylor Hall and Griffin Reinhart for Ryan McDonagh and Rick Nash.

    Note…I am not endorsing or recommending these brainstorms. The Rangers need cap relief. Rick Nash will have one year left on his contract with a big number after next season. Wouldn’t have to be protected in an expansion draft.

  119. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    spoiler: Wow, then there’s a lot of frantic panty-twisting going on over a rumour from an established fraud.

    Yeah he seems to be a scumbag but I have followed him off and on for a few years (usually this time of year and NFL free agency) and typically gets it right more often than not. He crushed everyone today on the Leafs trade had it hours before anyone else.

  120. Rondo says:

    Can’t blame Garth Snow for trying, he fleeced him with Reinhart.

    Jimmy Murphy ‏@MurphysLaw74 35m35 minutes ago
    Regarding Isles-Oilers talks, don’t be surprised if Johnny Boychuk is discussed. Chiarelli knows him and he’s from EDM so may waive NMC.

    Jimmy Murphy ‏@MurphysLaw74
    Hearing Oilers & Isles discussing possible trade involving Taylor Hall. Oilers interested in Travis Hamonic but nothing close to done yet.

  121. square_wheels says:

    danny,

    I’d love to have been a fly on the wall of his exit interview, but you’ve premised a legit scenario.

    Add the snub for Team Canada, the losing team and perceived diminished value for his UFA years.

    I’m done drinking Turkey for the night, so I’m back to thinking none of this is real.

  122. spoiler says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes: Yeah he seems to be a scumbag but I have followed him off and on for a few years (usually this time of year and NFL free agency) and typically gets it right more often than not. He crushed everyone today on the Leafs trade had it hours before anyone else.

    Established fraud who apparently gets it right more than wrong so often he needs to manipulate his Twitter history to look good. His mission is to play suckers…

  123. Jon K says:

    Any Hall trade with the Islanders involving Boychuk would be awful from the outset.

    Any Hall trade with the Islanders not involving Hamonic, Nelson, AND Strome would be awful from the outset.

    An ill omen, these reports be.

  124. Centre of attention says:

    godot10:
    Some brainstorms….

    Taylor Hall and Griffin Reinhart for Ryan McDonagh and Rick Nash.

    Note…I am not endorsing or recommending these brainstorms.The Rangers need cap relief.Rick Nash will have one year left on his contract with a big number after next season.Wouldn’t have to be protected in an expansion draft.

    I would rather not take Nash. If we are giving up Hall I don’t want to take a salary dump as well.

    I’ll take McDonagh and JT Miller though. Solves our 3C problem.

    We can then flip a lefty (Klefbom?) for Hamonic possibly. I would try anybody but Klefbom, but doubt I find success. Sekeras no-move makes it hard or else I would offer him.

    Hypothetical roster:

    Lucic-McDavid-Eberle
    Pouliot-Nuge-Draisaitl
    Maroon-Miller-Kassian
    Hendricks-Letestu-Korpikoski

    McDonagh-Hamonic
    Sekera-Fayne
    Davidson-Gryba

    Talbot
    Enroth

  125. Water Fire says:

    square_wheels:
    Tavares is UFA in 2 yrs, another player that isn’t resigning here.

    Tavares wants to win. Right now the Oilers have the most promise for up and comers. Pittsburgh and Tampa have the East locked up for a while, not to mention Florida rising.

  126. godot10 says:

    Taylor Hall for

    Hamonic, Halak (Islanders retain half his salary, the Oilers need a goaltender to expose next year), Brock Nelson, and I want to say the Islanders 1st (to draft Fabbro).

  127. JDï™ says:

    godot10: Some brainstorms….

    Might have to add a Yak.

  128. jm363561 says:

    Even more impressive, the defensive improvement season over season in his two years pro has been terrific. He has some things in common with Brandon Davidson and is faster.
    =====

    According to J Willis Oesterle can play both sides, as can Reinhart and Davidson. If you can live with Sekera / Fayne as a shutdown pair, then we just need that RHD to partner a (fully fit) KBom. Go Chia, you can do it!

  129. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    spoiler: Established fraud who apparently gets it right more than wrong so often he needs to manipulate his Twitter history.His mission is to play suckers…

    Hey whatever to each their own. Im not sticking up for the guy but he did break this Hall deal before anyone else so if it happens you can’t say he changed anything. He did say that it was just a rumour for the record then Jimmy Murphy later said same thing now it’s taken off. We’ll see. Much rather it be Eberle for Hamonic

  130. flyfish1168 says:

    Michael Dal Colle, Ryan Pulock , Mathew Barzal and Travis Hamonic for Hall and a 3rd rounder I would be interested. 🙂

    OF17: I hope you’re joking. That deal boils down to Hall for Hamonic and a bunch of hopes and prayers. Nowhere near good enough.

    I don’t think the Islanders have a throw in that big to be honest. Only guy on that team I’d feel comfortable trading Hall for is Tavares, and we all know that won’t happen.

    Think about it. 1 true NHL player and high prospect with no NHL experience and lots of sarcasm for eastern media

  131. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    jm363561:
    Even more impressive, the defensive improvement season over season in his two years pro has been terrific. He has some things in common with Brandon Davidson and is faster.
    =====

    According to J Willis Oesterle can play both sides, as can Reinhart and Davidson. If you can live with Sekera / Fayne as a shutdown pair, then we just need that RHD to partner a (fully fit) KBom. Go Chia, you can do it!

    I cannot live with a Sekera – Fayne shutdown pair though. So….if u want to go ahead and grab me TWO RHD Chia….that’d be greeeeat. Mmmmmkay?

  132. Ray says:

    Since we are all taking a trip to crazy town in the week that nothing is to be believed…

    Hall to STL
    Shattenkirk to NYI
    Hamonic to EDM

    Both the blues and islanders add prices to the Oilers
    Maybe a STL first and NYI adds Strome or something else

  133. AsiaOil says:

    Of all the high recent draft picks – here is my ranking of assets I would be willing to trade:

    1) Yak
    2) Reinhart
    3) Eberle
    4) Nurse
    5) RNH
    6) Drai
    7) Hall
    8) CMD

    Even talking about trading Hall before guys way higher on that list is foolish unless he wants out – and if Hall wants a trade – then Ebs will likely be out the door behind him.

  134. square_wheels says:

    Water Fire,

    Possible. But could you pay him the 8+ he’ll command at the same time McD needs a 10×10 ?

    Not that any of this is real.

  135. John Chambers says:

    The next few days may be painful. Brace yourselves.

  136. Centre of attention says:

    godot10:
    Taylor Hall for

    Hamonic, Halak (Islanders retain half his salary, the Oilers need a goaltender to expose next year), Brock Nelson, and I want to say the Islanders 1st (to draft Fabbro).

    Even before we lose him to expansion, maybe we can flip Halak for more assets near the deadline and bring up Brossoit once he gets another 40 games in the minors?

  137. square_wheels says:

    From @sirFozz on Twitter – Acceptable Hall trade- Oilers trade Taylor Hall and Yak to Islanders for Hamonic and Taylor Hall.

  138. Bad Seed says:

    I hope this isn’t like last year’s big deal. Get our hopes up and Pete does that underwhelming Reinhart deal.
    The guy also mentioned Bruins, Devils, Habs and Sens. Gotta think he wouldn’t send Hall out the door before shopping him first. The Petry deal springs to mind.

  139. Water Fire says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes: I cannot live with a Sekera – Fayne shutdown pair though. So….if u want to go ahead and grab me TWO RHD Chia….that’d be greeeeat. Mmmmmkay?

    Who wants a shut down pair? Trapped in their own zone?

    I want an outplay pair. 3 actually, level appropriate. Hopefully one scores well.

    But I don’t really care because forwards do all of the scoring.

  140. Chris says:

    The only acceptable Taylor Hall trade that springs to mind for me is Taylor Hall straight up for PK Subban. I can’t think of any package the Islanders could put together that I would find satisfactory.

    I’m rather hoping this is a pack of unsubstantiated rumours as otherwise I will think less of Chiarelli and need to go out and acquire a torch and pitchfork.

  141. Pajamah says:

    square_wheels:
    From @sirFozz on Twitter – Acceptable Hall trade- Oilers trade Taylor Hall and Yak to Islanders for Hamonic and Taylor Hall.

    I’d still rather see the Oilers not trade Hall. Even if it gets them a game breaker like Hall.

  142. Bad Seed says:

    Maybe Pete’s trying to stir up some competition. There should be a line up of teams who want Hall.

  143. frjohnk says:

    If Dreger, Friedman, Mckenzie, Rishaug and/or Spector mention something on twitter about a Hall deal, then there is something. Hall for whatever would be a blockbuster deal and the big media and/or Edmonton guys will be the ones that get the first insight.

    Until then, its just guys throwing shit at the wall.

    But if there is an “E5” attached to the rumor……..

  144. Water Fire says:

    square_wheels:
    Water Fire,

    Possible. But could you pay him the 8+ he’ll command at the same time McD needs a 10×10 ?

    Not that any of this is real.

    Of course. If Tavares signs at 8M you are a winner, because Nuge is 6 and Korpse is 2.5 and could be replaced for .6

    Tavares ‘could’ want more. I think there is a very real chance in a very short window to get a cluster at a discount around McDavid because it could be the last dynasty in a while, until another cluster change around a generational talent.

  145. square_wheels says:

    Water Fire,

    With that premise than Chia should keep his powder dry for Hedman next year.

  146. dustrock says:

    The Isles cannot be trading partners for the Oilers for Hall.

    Garbage.

    Unless Hall has quietly asked for a trade as mentioned.

  147. Wonder Llama says:

    Chia cannot trade Taylor Hall for anything less than full value. It will break this fanbase. I can feel it all over this page and in my own llittle llama tummy.

    Harmonic + won’t do it. Shattenkirk + won’t either. Lindholm would be the minimum, imo.

    Personally, (if Taylor really has asked for a trade), my fantasy would be a deal centered around Erik Karlsson rather than P.K. Subban. No idea if there’s enough anxiety in our nation’s capitol to consider it.

  148. Lowetide says:

    Arthur Staple ‏@StapeNewsday 1h1 hour ago

    @Reeve02 If GS is willing to give up Hamonic, it could be in play. I don’t think he wants to do that.

    That would have to be the starting point, but even then there is no way to make the trade work. It is not foundation piece for foundation piece, it is not even Frank Mahovlich for Normie Ullman.

  149. Centre of attention says:

    How much do you want to bet Chiarelli is sitting down to some nice cannoli right now and just laughing at all the Hall talk out there?

    I mean, some of the crap out there is just getting ridiculous now.

  150. Water Fire says:

    square_wheels:
    Water Fire,

    With that premise than Chia should keep his powder dry for Hedman next year.

    Yes but I’m sure Hedman thinks he’s in a winning situation now given the last few years. Teams seem to get a lot of ego around a few successes and do awesome things like sign Dustin Brown forever at a level he could never live up to. See Stamkos at eighty kabillion coming up for fading numbers and health.

  151. v4ance says:

    Totally off topic but I thought I’d just share this for a collective laugh:

    http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/33470/what-technical-reasons-are-there-to-have-low-maximum-password-lengths/33471#33471

    Take five chimpanzees. Put them in a big cage. Suspend some bananas from the roof of the cage. Provide the chimpanzees with a stepladder. BUT also add a proximity detector to the bananas, so that when a chimp goes near the banana, water hoses are triggered and the whole cage is thoroughly soaked.

    Soon, the chimps learn that the bananas and the stepladder are best ignored.

    Now, remove one chimp, and replace it with a fresh one. That chimp knows nothing of the hoses. He sees the banana, notices the stepladder, and because he is a smart primate, he envisions himself stepping on the stepladder to reach the bananas. He then deftly grabs the stepladder… and the four other chimps spring on him and beat him squarely. He soon learns to ignore the stepladder.

    Then, remove another chimp and replace it with a fresh one. The scenario occurs again; when he grabs the stepladder, he gets mauled by the four other chimps — yes, including the previous “fresh” chimp. He has integrated the notion of “thou shallt not touch the stepladder”.

    Iterate. After some operations, you have five chimps who are ready to punch any chimp who would dare touch the stepladder — and none of them knows why.

    Originally, some developer, somewhere, was working on an old Unix system from the previous century, which used the old DES-based “crypt”, actually a password hashing function derived from the DES block cipher. In that hashing function, only the first eight characters of the password are used (and only the low 7 bits of each character, as well). Subsequent characters are ignored. That’s the banana.

    The Internet is full of chimpanzees.

    EDIT:
    Well…. actually considering all the Taylor Hall trade sh*t that’s being thrown around tonight, maybe this isn’t so off topic after all.

    Remember the internet is full of chimpanzees… maybe we need to send 5 chimpanzees to start beating these rumor mongers until they stop 🙂

  152. ashley says:

    I don’t love the idea of trading Hall, but it is a position of strength to potentially fill a weakness (D) and I like it a LOT better than trading RNH. Trading a 2 way C with that much talent is lunacy. We can backfill on Hall. An RNH trade leaves a gaping, unfillable hole. Trading a young D (Nurse, Klef, Davey) leaves another hole.

    Hall is good currency as Yak or Ebs are probably not garnering the sort of interest Chia needs to make things happen.

  153. digger50 says:

    Any trade for Hall is a loss. We must have him to drive his line, it is critical to winning in he near future. There will not be any suitable replacements.

    There are options to upgrade the defence.

    HOWEVER

    Taylor hall says “who knows, any one of us could be gone next year”. His last game interview.

    Chia says “I’m reasonable confident I can address the defence” inferring to me he already has a plan in motion.

    Justin Shultz was not popular with fans, but he was popular with his teammates. “Hey Boys, there is life outside the Oilers, you should come test the waters”

    Very worrisome yet very pis sable. Phone corrects possible to puss able. Now puss able. Sounds about right.

  154. Магия 10 says:

    spoiler: Wow, then there’s a lot of frantic panty-twisting going on over a rumour from an established fraud.

    Incinerator Bob

  155. OilSafety says:

    Is there a way to do three team deal with st Louis and islanders where Shattenkirk goes east and hominic comes our way? Conditional pick to islanders from edmonton. What would st Louis want from edmonton? Yak Davidson? Just spit balling like the rest of the world.

  156. admiralmark says:

    v4ance:
    Totally off topic but I thought I’d just share this for a collective laugh:

    http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/33470/what-technical-reasons-are-there-to-have-low-maximum-password-lengths/33471#33471

    Take five chimpanzees. Put them in a big cage. Suspend some bananas from the roof of the cage. Provide the chimpanzees with a stepladder. BUT also add a proximity detector to the bananas, so that when a chimp goes near the banana, water hoses are triggered and the whole cage is thoroughly soaked.


    Soon, the chimps learn that the bananas and the stepladder are best ignored.

    Now, remove one chimp, and replace it with a fresh one. That chimp knows nothing of the hoses. He sees the banana, notices the stepladder, and because he is a smart primate, he envisions himself stepping on the stepladder to reach the bananas. He then deftly grabs the stepladder… and the four other chimps spring on him and beat him squarely. He soon learns to ignore the stepladder.

    Then, remove another chimp and replace it with a fresh one. The scenario occurs again; when he grabs the stepladder, he gets mauled by the four other chimps — yes, including the previous “fresh” chimp. He has integrated the notion of “thou shallt not touch the stepladder”.

    Iterate. After some operations, you have five chimps who are ready to punch any chimp who would dare touch the stepladder — and none of them knows why.

    Originally, some developer, somewhere, was working on an old Unix system from the previous century, which used the old DES-based “crypt”, actually a password hashing function derived from the DES block cipher. In that hashing function, only the first eight characters of the password are used (and only the low 7 bits of each character, as well). Subsequent characters are ignored. That’s the banana.

    The Internet is full of chimpanzees.

    EDIT:
    Well…. actually considering all the Taylor Hall trade sh*t that’s being thrown around tonight, maybe this isn’t so off topic after all.

    Remember the internet is full of chimpanzees… maybe we need to send 5 chimpanzees to start beating these rumor mongers until they stop

    The infinite monkey theorem states that a monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time will almost surely type a given text, such as the complete works of William Shakespeare. Maybe one of these chimpanzees has actually typed out the trade thats gonna go down?

  157. Aron_S says:

    GIven that expose on IncarceratedBob, it looks like complete and utter bullshit.

    I appreciate that Murphy may be a credible source, but I have to think there’s not enough smoke just yet. Let the Bobfather mull it over tomorrow and then see what Stauffer pumps out on twitter before we all hit the panic button.

    After last year’s trade deadline, I have to think it’s going to be another underwhelming year and return. Tkachuk goes 4th and then 32 gets traded with strong players on the board and we all gnash our teeth again.

  158. Woodguy says:

    These next 12 days can’t go by fast enough.

  159. Woodguy says:

    admiralmark,

    it was the blurst of times

  160. Chachi says:

    Woodguy:
    admiralmark,

    it was the blurst of times

    A Tale of Two Chiarellis?

  161. Younger Oil says:

    Who are the Islanders equivalents of Loui Eriksson, Joe Morrow, Reilly Smith, and Matt Fraser?

    Probably should start looking into that.

  162. Younger Oil says:

    In all seriousness though:

    1. This is going to be an incredibly interesting week.

    2. Saying that it is literally impossible to win a trade involving Taylor Hall is ridiculous.

    3. If BM’s list reflects how NHL teams feel, we need to start loading up on second round picks. DeBrincat, Raddysh, Mascherin, Allard all way, WAY below where they should be.

  163. Bad Seed says:

    http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/would-the-edmonton-oilers-trade-their-no-4-to-carolina-for-no-13-and-no-21

    Another article by Matty showing that he has no clue anymore. Does he even believe what he writes?

  164. Chachi says:

    Bad Seed:
    http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/would-the-edmonton-oilers-trade-their-no-4-to-carolina-for-no-13-and-no-21

    Another article by Matty showing that he has no clue anymore.Does he even believe what he writes?

    He basically comes out and says that he is getting nothing from Chiarelli and his inner circle leaving him to flail away like a punch drunk boxer. Hit the one in the middle Matty!

  165. YKOil says:

    You know, just as I was getting sucked back in, the thought of a Hall for Boychuck trade has me thinking of leaving all over again.

  166. Lowetide says:

    YKOil:
    You know, just as I was getting sucked back in, the thought of a Hall for Boychuck trade has me thinking of leaving all over again.

    That won’t happen.

  167. LOObird says:

    Can somebody please recommend a few good islanders blogs?

  168. spoiler says:

    Магия 10: Incinerator Bob

    *upvoted*
    🙂

  169. admiralmark says:

    Woodguy:
    admiralmark,

    it was the blurst of times

    Chachi: A Tale of Two Chiarellis?

    Ha ha awesome both of you.

  170. Ryan says:

    LOObird:
    Can somebody please recommend a few good islanders blogs?

    I posted a link that the spam filtered grabbed.

    Lighthouse hockey.

  171. Oilspill says:

    Kiltymcbagpipes: I cannot live with a Sekera – Fayne shutdown pair though. So….if u want to go ahead and grab me TWO RHD Chia….that’d be greeeeat. Mmmmmkay?

    That’s because they aren’t a shutdown pair and never will be. Not too many think they are shutdown players. Neither are much good in the defensive zone. Sekara makes a decent first pass but Fayne struggles. Both are quite weak on the boards and in front of the net.

  172. Wonder Llama says:

    Oilspill: That’s because they aren’t a shutdown pair and never will be. Not too many think they are shutdown players. Neither are much good in the defensive zone. Sekara makes a decent first pass but Fayne struggles. Both are quite weak on the boards and in front of the net.

    What exactly does Mark Fayne do then?

    He doesn’t provide reliable zone exits skating the puck out and he doesn’t terrorize goalies with his cannon from the point.

    Is he an effective shot-blocker? Does he angle out forwards? Why are we paying this guy 3.6?

  173. Chris says:

    Truthfully after thinking about it. I don’t buy it. Maybe Garth Snow called up and offered magic beans for Taylor Hall but I don’t believe there is any substance to the notion of Chia auctioning Hall. Trading Hall is a huge bet which jeapordizes Chia’s job unnecessarily. He can beg off on Seguin saying ownership made him do it but here he’d be sticking his own neck out. You also have to consider how many kicks does one guy get at the GM can if he messes upon Edmonton. To me all the calculus for Chia suggests caution and incremental building not flamboyant gambling.

  174. YKOil says:

    What about Ceci btw? Ceci will always be behind Karlsson and Phaneuf prefers the rights side so I am thinking there may be a play there.

    Reinhart isn’t enough and Davidson isn’t well enough known. Nurse? Do you trade Nurse? (I do actually) Trade down… that’s a toughie just because the #12 is sooo far away from the #4.

    What would it look like? #4 and ‘?’ for #12, Ceci and ‘?’.

    If they need the budget space (and they are a budget team) after signing Hoffman… who is their salary dump?

    All interesting stuff imo.

  175. Ducey says:

    Магия 10: Incinerator Bob

    Sideshow Bob.

  176. LOObird says:

    Ryan,

    Thank you.

    I need to make sure I’m prepared for this Hall trade. They will be my new favorite team.

    (Hopefully kidding)

  177. Магия 10 says:

    If Chia is actually running a Hall auction in the eastern conference then every team knows it and they can deduce that Hall has asked out. An auction is an invitation to offer quantity rather than quality. A certainty that the best player in the trade isn’t gonna be close.

    On the other hand it’s perfectly normal for Chia to discuss every asset other than 97 but only if the top players are close. That’s not a distress auction of a specific player for loose change.

  178. spoiler says:

    Магия 10:
    If Chia is actually running a Hall auction in the eastern conference then every team knows it and they can deduce that Hall has asked out. An auction is an invitation to offer quantity rather than quality. A certainty that the best player in the trade isn’t gonna be close.

    On the other hand it’s perfectly normal for Chia to discuss every asset other than 97 but only if the top players are close. That’s not a distress auction of a specific player for loose change.

    If there was an auction with Eastern teams going on, it would have already come out in the Eastern media… who are studiously ignoring this rumour.

    That doesn’t mean Chia isn’t listening to offers.

    If Hall’s name is out there, it might just be as bait. How else do you find out which of another GM’s top players he’s willing to live without? Calling and straight up asking for them is putting one’s self in the poorer negotiating position. Let them make offers on the best player you can dangle–but have no intention of dealing–and gather key information.

  179. McSorley33 says:

    Can anyone blame Garth Snow for talking to PC about Hall……

    Mr. Benning and Mr. Chiarelli are -extremely – popular guys leading up to the draft.

  180. Магия 10 says:

    spoiler: If there was an auction with Eastern teams going on, it would have already come out in the Eastern media… who are studiously ignoring this rumour

    That’s my take as well. No one seems to have much.

  181. Aron_S says:

    Wow, I feel like I’m watching a house burn down. One person implies that Hall has asked out and a bunch of commenters run with it.

    We have no basis to believe this! Remember folks, as LT suggests, keep your powder dry! We have no reason to believe a trade request was ever made. It’s almost the defacto excuse to let a player go around these parts, based on the Marincin trade requests that were being thrown around yesterday.

  182. JimmyV1965 says:

    ashley:
    I don’t love the idea of trading Hall, but it is a position of strength to potentially fill a weakness (D) and I like it a LOT better than trading RNH.Trading a 2 way C with that much talent is lunacy.We can backfill on Hall.An RNH trade leaves a gaping, unfillable hole. Trading a young D (Nurse, Klef, Davey) leaves another hole.

    Hall is good currency as Yak or Ebs are probably not garnering the sort of interest Chia needs to make things happen.

    You actually believe this? Wow!!!

  183. JimmyV1965 says:

    Chris:
    Truthfully after thinking about it. I don’t buy it. Maybe Garth Snow called up and offered magic beans for Taylor Hall but I don’t believe there is any substance to the notion of Chia auctioning Hall. Trading Hall is a huge bet which jeapordizes Chia’s job unnecessarily. He can beg off on Seguin saying ownership made him do it but here he’d be sticking his own neck out. You also have to consider how many kicks does one guy get at the GM can if he messes upon Edmonton. To me all the calculus for Chia suggests caution and incremental building not flamboyant gambling.

    Agreed. If PC pooches a Hall trade in some 3 for 1 debacle his career as a GM is virtually over. He may hang around here for a year or two, but he’ll never get another job.

  184. TeeVee says:

    jonrmcleod:
    I think this guy is more believable that Incarcerated Bob:

    Jimmy Murphy
    @MurphysLaw74
    Hearing Oilers & Isles discussing possible trade involving Taylor Hall. Oilers interested in Travis Hamonic but nothing close to done yet.

    Edit: Unless he’s hearing these rumours from Incarcerated Bob.

    Jebus Chrikes, is Snow gonna take Pepsi Pete behind the woodshed again?

  185. AsiaOil says:

    Question: is Yak an asset that could allow us to move up from #32 to say the #20 ARZ pick? Might be the best way to get some sort of return on the the guy.

  186. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    AsiaOil:
    Question: is Yak an asset that could allow us to move up from #32 to say the #20 ARZ pick? Might be the best way to get some sort of return on the the guy.

    dunno. supposedly the Oilers have been offered 7 and 20 for 4 already. If so I would rather do that and draft Debrincat at 20.

    Yes, I saw him ranked 32. I think that is a big mistake. Think he will.be a top 10-12 player in this draft class in 5 years. I would trade with Arizona if no better offer comes and walk away with Sergachev and Debrincat. I see a goal scorer a la Skinner. Think he has 30 goal potential and could be a nice future replacement on the wing.

  187. spoiler says:

    Магия 10: That’s my take as well. No one seems to have much.

    Thank you, I should have prefaced my own rant with “I agree” too.

  188. russ99 says:

    I really don’t like the idea of moving Hall and if we don’t get enough value back, it could be our Thrashers Kovalchuk trade.

    That said, even painful player movement is vastly better than stagnation.

    If it happens, I’ll eventually feel better knowing Hamonic is a perfect fit and we sign Lucic or Eriksson.

  189. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Anyone else wake up today with like 40 new tweets all excited about trades and realize that ALL of them were from Bob McKenzie at 2:30 in the morning? Wah wahhhhh.

    Edit: 2:30am EST

  190. Barcs says:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: dunno. supposedly the Oilers have been offered 7 and 20 for 4 already. If so I would rather do that and draft Debrincat at 20.

    Yes, I saw him ranked 32. I think that is a big mistake. Think he will.be a top 10-12 player in this draft class in 5 years. I would trade with Arizona if no better offer comes and walk away with Sergachev and Debrincat. I see a goal scorer a la Skinner. Think he has 30 goal potential and could be a nice future replacement on the wing.

    Even if DeBrincat falls out of the first round (which I highly doubt), the Leafs would surely see his value and take him at 31. He won’t be there at 32.

    I’m with you on Sergachev and DeBrincat at 7 and 20, if that’s really available.

    If the Oilers feel they need to pick at 4, I’d be a fan of trading up from 32 to the early-mid 20’s to grab the little sniper. He’s going to be a good one.

  191. Магия 10 says:

    frjohnk:
    If Dreger, Friedman, Mckenzie, Rishaug and/or Spector mention something on twitter about a Hall deal, then there is something.Hall for whatever would be a blockbuster deal and the big media and/or Edmonton guys will be the ones that get the first insight.

    Until then, its just guys throwing shit at the wall.

    But if there is an “E5” attached to the rumor……..

    McKenzie skeptical that Hall is out there at low prices:

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
    I don’t see it myself. EDM is open to trading anyone except McDavid but price’d be high, maybe prohibitive for NYI:

  192. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Магия 10: McKenzie skeptical that Hall is out there at low prices:

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
    I don’t see it myself. EDM is open to trading anyone except McDavid but price’d be high, maybe prohibitive for NYI:

    I think the Isles’ beatwriters said the same thing. Let’s hope they are right.

  193. OilSafety says:

    What would it take to get parayko from St Louis? Rhd home town boy and I believe he wouldn’t need to be protected in expansion draft.

    Maybe with Shattenkirk? #4 overall for both?

    Shattenkirk Fayne parayko Rhd. I could live with that.

  194. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    OilSafety:
    What would it take to get parayko from St Louis?Rhd home town boy and I believe he wouldn’t need to be protected in expansion draft.

    Maybe with Shattenkirk?#4 overall for both?

    Shattenkirk Fayne parayko Rhd.I could live with that.

    Best not to go down that route re: Parayko. He is the reason why Shattenkirk is available. Blues fans value him at Draisaitl+.

  195. frjohnk says:

    Магия 10: McKenzie skeptical that Hall is out there at low prices:

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
    I don’t see it myself. EDM is open to trading anyone except McDavid but price’d be high, maybe prohibitive for NYI:

    NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: I think the Isles’ beatwriters said the same thing. Let’s hope they are right.

    Yeah, I didnt think the “trade rumor about Hall” was anything. Doesnt mean he wont be traded. But until one of the big media guys/ Edmonton beat writers are saying there is smoke, Im not biting.

    I wonder how many rumors are made up weekly through out the year
    and I wonder how many of them actually turn out to be right?
    1 out of 532? Thats probably even being generous!

  196. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    Yup. Since I am actually Eklund I can say I get about one right every Summer Solstice Strawberry Moon.

  197. NYCOIL "Gentleman Backpacker" says:

    “The Calgary Sun has learned Rutherford is asking for the Flames’ first round draft pick for Fleury — yes, the sixth pick overall at Friday’s NHL Entry Draft in Buffalo.

    It’s not going to happen, nor should it.”

    Please cave, Calgary.

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