DRAFT POST 15: GIMME SHELTER

by Lowetide

I have been saying all spring that the Edmonton Oilers could be successful by keeping the forward group, adding some legit (but not necessarily sexy) defense and perhaps a backup goalie. This does not appear to be the path being chosen by Peter Chiarelli. I fear we will hear about changing culture after the draft, and it is not clear at all today the Oilers are heading in a good direction.

We talked about P.K. Subban as an option last night, I still don’t really believe it, but Pierre Lebrun reported on the activity and we do know the no move portion kicks in soon. I do have Subban on my list, but have never really believed he belonged.

  1. LD Hampus Lindholm, Anaheim Ducks. Perfect fit, if available.
  2. PK Subban, Montreal Canadiens. If available, shoot the moon.
  3. Travis Hamonic, NY Islanders. Perfect fit, if available.
  4. Kevin Shattenkirk, St. Louis Blues. Shoot the moon—for one year?
  5. Jason Demers, Dallas Stars. Wilford Brimley: The right thing to do.
  6. Tyson Barrie, Colorado Avalanche. No idea the price.
  7. Radko Gudas, Philadelphia Flyers. Strong, effective defender.
  8. David Savard, Columbus Blue Jackets. Range of skills.
  9. LD Brian Campbell, Florida Panthers. Moves up with yesterday’s news.
  10. Damon Severson, New Jersey Devils. A nice underlying option.
  11. Mark Pysyk, Buffalo Sabres. The numbers imply there is a player here.
  12. Ryan Pulock, New York Islanders. Big shot from the point has high value. Very young.
  13. LD Keith Yandle, NY Rangers. Moves down with yesterday’s news.
  14. Ryan Murphy, Carolina Hurricanes. Some chaos, but good speed and puck-moving ability.
  15. Brandon Montour, Anaheim Ducks. This could be a special player.
  16. Cody Franson, Buffalo Sabres. That hammer from the point would come in handy and he fits a real need.
  17. Jordan Schmaultz, St. Louis Blues. Puck-moving prospect.
  18. Anthony DeAngelo, Tampa Bay Lightning. Another player with a puck-moving element to his game.
  19. Colin Miller, Boston Bruins. With the other Miller signing, maybe he is available.
  20. LD David Schlemko, New Jersey Devils. Depth D, has some nice things.
  21. Ville Pokka, Chicago Blackhawks. Young defender in the Chicago system.
  22. Ryan Sproul, Detroit Red Wings. Puck-moving defender in the AHL.
  23. Dennis Wideman, Calgary Flames. A year removed from a fantastic offensive season.
  24. RD Dan Boyle, New York Rangers. Retiring, but he is the player they are looking for—early, not late in his career.

Could you do it? Could you run this roster with both Lucic and Hall? I think this is more likely:

  • Lucic—McDavid—Eberle
  • Pouliot—Nuge—Parenteau
  • Maroon—Leon—Stempniak

If Taylor Hall is traded (and I am not trolling you, this is at least a possible reality) Edmonton has one offensive driver. He is 19. I cannot imagine the Oilers finding anything close to value for Hall on the open market, but there is a chance we see a RHD and RW as part of any potential return.

  • Expansion draft reference: NMCs that have to be protected.

Interesting list. Chicago’s protected list is done.

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MOCK

This mock uses Bob McKenzie’s final list as a guideline.

  • No. 4 overall (1st)—L Matthew Tkachuk, London Knights (OHL): Has terrific offensive ability, great passer, underrated shooter. NHLE: 49. Hyperbole has taken over in regard to skating ability.
  • No. 32 overall (2nd)— C-R Nathan Bastian, Mississauga Steelheads (OHL): Big skill F with smarts. NHLE: 24 points. Probably projects in a checking role, but represents excellent value here.
  • No. 63 overall—LD Cam Dineen, North Bay (OHL): Impressive offense. NHLE: 23. He seems undervalued on many final lists, but for me Dineen has enough offense to be considered a very good bet.
  • No. 84 overall—C Brandon Gignac, Shawinigan (QMJHL). Skill C, nice numbers. NHLE: 19 points.
  • No. 91 overall—R Wade Allison, Tri-City Storm (USHL). Size, skill, spiked in final CS ranking. NHLE: 19.
  • No. 123 overall—RD Jordan Sambrook, Erie Otters (OHL). Solid two-way D, may be undervalued. NHLE: 11 points. He is 6.02, 187.
  • No. 149 overall—R Egor Babenko, Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL). Small, very skilled. NHLE: 23 points.
  • No. 153 overall—LD Sebastian Aho, Skelleftea (SHL). Undersized, puck moving D. NHLE: 20 points.
  • No. 183 overall—RD Jake Ryczek, Waterloo Blackhawks (USHL). Appears to be a spark offensively. NHLE: 16 points.

Today on the Lowdown, I will have a mock draft. Along with Paul Almeida, we will run through the first 15 picks, with help from folks like Sarah McLellan, Kirk Luedeke, Bill Hoppe and others. Always chaotic and a lot of fun! Frank Seravalli will also appear at 11:25. 10 this morning, TSN1260.

CHAT

I have written several times this spring about the possibility of the Oilers trading Taylor Hall. The reaction from some of you has been swift and negative, and I understand that feeling—trading him makes little sense to me. I began the spring thinking that Hall for Subban would satisfy the asset value, but begin summer thinking only Hampus Lindholm (and his lower cap hit) represents fair value.

The Milan Lucic news from yesterday (in my opinion) puts Edmonton on a collision course with a mammoth contract for the former Bruins winger. There are ways around dealing Hall—Benoit Pouliot could be dealt—but let’s get real the likely move is Hall for a RHD.

Since the moment we found out Connor McDavid would be an Oiler, the mind struggled to find superlatives for this stunning forward group. The two men have had one season—less, really—and it looks as though No. 4 will be cashed for blue.

There is more than one way to win—Whitey Herzog and Earl Weaver taught me that 35 years ago—but the Gary Carter trade taught me trading Taylor Hall is not a winning notion.

We wait.

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hunter1909 June 23, 2016 - 9:56 pm

#Brexit in pole position to free the Brits from the EU. Best news ever.

The Oilers? Whoever blamed Katz with his OBC is correct.

Summertime Oilers: Two legit top four defensemen. If Katz wants to see W’s in October/November. Otherwise it’s more “development” lol

tarvbc June 23, 2016 - 9:46 pm

Barcs,

I dont disagree with anything your saying. The failures of this team is on managment and I like yourself can agree on that. Im not making out Hall to be the one sole problem, I want him on this team but fans and msm of this team over value what he brings and always sit here defending him tooth and nail. Face it he’s 6 years into his career with a whole lot of flaws that the rest of the league see’s but us fans dont want to reconize. Do I think he should be on team canada ? Absolutely not he hasnt played good enough two way hockey and is to much of a risk at both ends of the ice. In saying that is he one of the better LW in the game? Yes. Do you trade a LW for a top pairing dman? If it is for one of the top even 8 dman in the league yes I would. Would I trade Hall for magic beans to fill multiple roles? Absolutely not.

The thing Im trying to say is all us oilers fans will go to our grave saying how he “pushes the river” but for god sakes hes a winger. Not a number 1 centremen, not a top pairing dman and not a solid goalie. Those 3 positions are more important than first line scoring winger. If Hall had the exact same first 6 years in the league as he has done but as a centremen it would be a different story. Hall is a scoring winger on terrible hockey teams ala Rick Nash.

Barcs June 23, 2016 - 8:10 pm

tarvbc,

Not trying to rip you, but one thing I genuinely don’t understand is how some Oiler fans can look at the weak supporting forwards, AHL level defense, and league basement goaltending that this team has employed over the last 10 years, and lay the lack of success at Hall’s feet.

What exactly was he supposed to do?

Is he perfect? Not by a long shot. But he is far from the main reason the Oilers have been so bad.

Kiltymcbagpipes June 23, 2016 - 6:33 pm

OF17: Nothing will happen, and if it does, you’ll hear about it after the game just the same. I’m sure there are a lot of dads out here that would trade hearing about the trade an hour earlier for getting to see another one of their kid’s soccer games.

Not my kid’s team – they are terrible. Lost 7-1 and my son got hit in the balls but took it like a champ. He loves McDavid and the Oilers didn’t want to play either. Lol. Luckily, we heard the news (or should I say lack of) on the way to the game….

tarvbc June 23, 2016 - 6:27 pm

Oh one final note on Hall (still not saying get rid of him for magic beans) but do you think Mike Babcock would enjoy coaching Taylor Hall for a full 82 game season?

tarvbc June 23, 2016 - 6:25 pm

Lowetide Im not trying to put a burr under your saddle and I realise Im going to get ripped a new one, but how can you not look at Taylor Hall’s first 6 years in the league to see great point production but not much more. Hasn’t come close to the playoffs, 1 healthy season, hasnt scored over 30 goals, turnover machine, is he a leader? This is a league of “what have you done for me lately” and the rest of the league under values Hall to a point I can agree on, but at the end of the day what are the 3 more important positions? Defencemen, centremen and goalies. Im not endorsing a trade with Hall at all (unless its for 1 of the top 5 defencemen in the league) we need him on the left side to succeed but like I said I tend to agree with the criticism and “under value” the rest of the league puts on him. Taylor Hall is an absolutely wonderful hockey player (top 25 in the league) hes very good at what he does, but this team has had him for 6 years and the fan base and internet bloggers tend to give him a free pass I do not agree with.

Lowetide what do you think of Rick Nash ? I think those two are good comparisons for each other. No?

Im typing on an extremely poor tablet so Im sorry for any mistakes or grammer mistakes. The screen is just so smsll.

Zelepukin June 23, 2016 - 5:18 pm

…and put it this way. How is Montreal in any better position after replacing Subban with a couple great forwards? It’s basically where we are coming from in that, jeez I wish we had a great puck moving D-man with some offensive chops that can get guys like Hall, the puck.

Zelepukin June 23, 2016 - 5:15 pm

I need a drink regardless. The only way we get Subban is if it’s Hall +. If I was a Montreal fan, knowing that you’re giving up a franchise D-man, an asset that you’d almost 100% require in order to win a cup, I’d want Hall, Nuge and a young D-man.

Wonder Llama June 23, 2016 - 5:15 pm

Man, I feel all emotionally drained and nothing even happened (yet).

StixMalone June 23, 2016 - 5:11 pm

Centre of attention:
So Dougie Hamilton to Montreal and Subban to Edmonton 4th overall to Calgary?!?!? More pieces involved on all sides but that would be the base one would think?

I need another drink.

I need a drink too! This is insane if true! And I love this! This is the best dreamy fantasy ever!…..

N64 June 23, 2016 - 5:06 pm

OF17:
Lol. Cheers as they switch to English.

And their source RDS cuts away.

spoiler June 23, 2016 - 5:02 pm

Yep, Bergevin could easily have said “Stop calling me about PK”…. but he didn’t.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 4:59 pm

Protagonist:
From Twitter:

BREAKING: Subban in involved in a 3-way trade. Subban to the Canucks for Subban. Subban to the Bruins for Subban. Subban to #Habs for Subban

Make it a 4 way trade and we’ll include Hall at all ends.

OF17 June 23, 2016 - 4:59 pm

Lol. Cheers as they switch to English.

jfry June 23, 2016 - 4:59 pm

more:
“we were worried that the cap was going to be 68 million, so we’re a team in a good position against the cap. we’re in a very good place and not a team that has to worry. and that’s a plus for us.”

Centre of attention June 23, 2016 - 4:59 pm

Mark Spector ‏@SportsnetSpec 9s10 seconds ago
Subban is a franchise player. If you’re “listening” and not dispelling these rumours outright, you’re ready to move him.

Spector knows whats up. If Bergevin wanted to, he could of just said “I’m not trading Subban”

Protagonist June 23, 2016 - 4:57 pm

Магия 10: LOL. That’s why Benning expects they could be on the phone until midnight?

Either that or they’re going to be eating ice-cream, watching Bridesmaids and just GUSHING about the rest of the GMs.

jfry June 23, 2016 - 4:57 pm

more translation:
“if there’s a situation that improves our team, i’ll make a move.”

Protagonist June 23, 2016 - 4:57 pm

From Twitter:

BREAKING: Subban in involved in a 3-way trade. Subban to the Canucks for Subban. Subban to the Bruins for Subban. Subban to #Habs for Subban

N64 June 23, 2016 - 4:56 pm

Protagonist:
From another site: He’s NOT shopping PK Subban but that does not mean that people aren’t calling about him. My instant hot take: He’s listened to offers, and he’s interested, but he doesn’t feel like they’re good enough or people haven’t met his price yet.

LOL. That’s why Benning expects they could be on the phone until midnight?

OF17 June 23, 2016 - 4:55 pm

Bergevin expresses interest in acquiring a player that helps his team now but that is also young. Not much, but do with it what you will.

jfry June 23, 2016 - 4:55 pm

more french translation:
“i know that up until july 1st people will be calling about PK. When people call I listen. That’s my job. I just listen. Teams have called and I’ve listened to offers, but the player is still here.”

OF17 June 23, 2016 - 4:54 pm

Bergevin likes Dubois. That much comes out. Aside from that, a lot of typical GM speak.

Centre of attention June 23, 2016 - 4:53 pm

Pat Hickey ‏@zababes1 52s53 seconds ago
Everyone chill

No you !

blainer June 23, 2016 - 4:53 pm

hags9k:
I’d do Klef, Yak and #4 for Subban.They probably don’t bite on that.

The contract is too scary and I want to keep the 3 Cs.

And Ricki says Subban can’t defend and I worry about the Carey Price effect.

And Ricki is a bear, so…

Ricki has a point about PK.. You would have to play PK with Klef or Davey. Two of our best HSCA .. D..

Protagonist June 23, 2016 - 4:52 pm

From another site: He’s NOT shopping PK Subban but that does not mean that people aren’t calling about him. My instant hot take: He’s listened to offers, and he’s interested, but he doesn’t feel like they’re good enough or people haven’t met his price yet.

jfry June 23, 2016 - 4:52 pm

loose translation from the french part:
i can’t stop other teams from calling me, but i’m not shopping PK

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) June 23, 2016 - 4:50 pm

wheatnoil: Don’t worry. I don’t think this happens until draft day right before the #4 pick.

But then, I can’t a imagine a world where they actually trade PK Subban so what the hell do I know?

Imagine Kekalainen screwing everyone over by taking Dubois at 3! Ultimate troll.

Protagonist June 23, 2016 - 4:50 pm

He’s talking now. I’m listening live on TSN radio montreal, but I don’t speak french. When I know something, I’ll post it.

Chris June 23, 2016 - 4:49 pm

They have these things called smart phones now. You can allow TSN’s ap to send you push messages. Believe me if there is a Subban trade they will send you a news alert.

JD_Wry June 23, 2016 - 4:49 pm

http://player.montreal.tsn.ca/

On now – interpreter?

Protagonist June 23, 2016 - 4:49 pm

It’s not a podium press conference. It’s a standup. I can’t imagine that he’d announce a trade of the teams best player in a stand-up press conference. So I think we can all rest the powder a bit. But hey, we know there is smoke there, and where there’s smoke … sometimes a PK Subban gets traded.

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) June 23, 2016 - 4:48 pm

Well that seals the #4 debate. Dubois it is. Why? So Vancouver can’t trade #5 + for Subban.

blainer June 23, 2016 - 4:47 pm

AsiaOil:
Is it all all possible for you to make a comment without calling people who disagree with your opinion stupid or some other such junk? Or how about adding some content instead of just flapping your gums with insults. It’s a pretty low bar to strive for as a poster.

Caramel Batman: If Chiarelli thinks the expansion draft is relevant in acquiring one or two defensemen he is incompetent.

Stupid people are stupid.

Well said.

wheatnoil June 23, 2016 - 4:47 pm

Kiltymcbagpipes:
Fuck, I gotta take my kid to soccer. Don’t care staying in car listening to Sirius radio the whole game

Don’t worry. I don’t think this happens until draft day right before the #4 pick.

But then, I can’t a imagine a world where they actually trade PK Subban so what the hell do I know?

OF17 June 23, 2016 - 4:46 pm

Kiltymcbagpipes:
Fuck, I gotta take my kid to soccer. Don’t care staying in car listening to Sirius radio the whole game

Nothing will happen, and if it does, you’ll hear about it after the game just the same. I’m sure there are a lot of dads out here that would trade hearing about the trade an hour earlier for getting to see another one of their kid’s soccer games.

Pouzar June 23, 2016 - 4:45 pm

Kiltymcbagpipes:
Fuck, I gotta take my kid to soccer. Don’t care staying in car listening to Sirius radio the whole game

+1

stevezie June 23, 2016 - 4:44 pm

Jethro Tull: Yep.I’m already ordering my Subban jersey and a lighter just in case.

This is the perfect encapsulation of the Canadian hockey fan.

Lowetide June 23, 2016 - 4:44 pm

Kiltymcbagpipes:
Fuck, I gotta take my kid to soccer. Don’t care staying in car listening to Sirius radio the whole game

Nods, agrees.

Kiltymcbagpipes June 23, 2016 - 4:41 pm

Fuck, I gotta take my kid to soccer. Don’t care staying in car listening to Sirius radio the whole game

Protagonist June 23, 2016 - 4:40 pm

Магия 10: Georges Laraque?

I nearly spit out my coffee. Thanks for that.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 4:39 pm

Protagonist:
Imagine if they get up there and introduce a new Athletic trainer or something. And when asked why the conference is late, they mention he was stuck in traffic or something.

Georges Laraque?

Protagonist June 23, 2016 - 4:37 pm

Imagine if they get up there and introduce a new Athletic trainer or something. And when asked why the conference is late, they mention he was stuck in traffic.

Bank Shot June 23, 2016 - 4:37 pm

OF17: So not only do you want Subban, you want him on a value contract as well?

That’s what I just said. It’s easier to build a team around McDavid and Subban if Subban isn’t making $1 million more than any other defenceman in the league.

It’d be worth it to give up extra assets for cap savings in this case.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 4:37 pm

spoiler: What’s the ETA now?

Reduced to playing oid Subban and Therrien quotes.

“Oranges at half time is in real jeopardy”

Centre of attention June 23, 2016 - 4:37 pm

If Dubois is there at #4, there is a good chance PK Subban is an Edmonton Oiler. #BookIt

JD_Wry June 23, 2016 - 4:36 pm

spoiler: What’s the ETA now?

As soon as Chia gets 15% of Subban’s salary retained.

hags9k June 23, 2016 - 4:35 pm

I’d do Klef, Yak and #4 for Subban. They probably don’t bite on that.

The contract is too scary and I want to keep the 3 Cs.

And Ricki says Subban can’t defend and I worry about the Carey Price effect.

And Ricki is a bear, so…

Wonder Llama June 23, 2016 - 4:35 pm

Магия 10: keeps being delayed.

Ah. Thanks.

spoiler June 23, 2016 - 4:34 pm

Магия 10: keeps being delayed.

What’s the ETA now?

N64 June 23, 2016 - 4:34 pm

Picturesque: Nah, this is misses the Dubois part of the deal – which is the main attraction of the trade talk. Chia is listening to the Flames only to get the Habs to bite the bullet.

This is our line:

Harrison MooneyVerified account ‏@HarrisonMooney 5m5 minutes ago
“We want Subban and we’ll offer you a bag of pucks”
“No deal”
“They’re French-Canadian pucks”
“We’re listening”

N64 June 23, 2016 - 4:33 pm

Wonder Llama:
Nobody has eyes on the presser?

keeps being delayed.

OF17 June 23, 2016 - 4:33 pm

Bank Shot: Yeah if Chiarelli could somehow get Montreal to retain up to $2 million of Subban’s salary than it’s worth overpaying for him IMO.

So not only do you want Subban, you want him on a value contract as well?

Wonder Llama June 23, 2016 - 4:32 pm

Nobody has eyes on the presser?

Bank Shot June 23, 2016 - 4:31 pm

Protagonist:
You know, I love Dr. Drai. But I think I give him up for Subban in the right deal. The RIGHT deal. Something where maybe they eat some salary?

Yeah if Chiarelli could somehow get Montreal to retain up to $2 million of Subban’s salary than it’s worth overpaying for him IMO.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 4:30 pm

Jethro Tull: Yep.I’m already ordering my Subban jersey and a lighter just in case.

Montreal could throw in some kid’s furniture so we’d have it on hand.

Jethro Tull June 23, 2016 - 4:29 pm

Caramel Batman:
Hard to know what the other moving pieces are, but if Chiarelli would rather trade Hall than Draisatl, than I am off the bandwagon.

Subban, though is so fucking good.We better win though, because Oiler fans are going to hate him if we don’t

Yep. I’m already ordering my Subban jersey and a lighter just in case.

hags9k June 23, 2016 - 4:28 pm

knighttown,

Yes. Yes. Yes.

#4 for best D available.
Sign best FA D you can.
Bring back all the Fs.
Coach the hell out of them.

leadfarmer June 23, 2016 - 4:26 pm

Times like this I’m really glad we have Chia and not Mr. Dithers. He may not always be right but he sure make $hit interesting. Can’t remember the last time I was refreshing this frequently in late June.

Cassandra June 23, 2016 - 4:26 pm

Hard to know what the other moving pieces are, but if Chiarelli would rather trade Hall than Draisatl, then I am off the bandwagon.

Subban, though is so fucking good. We better win though, because Oiler fans are going to hate him if we don’t

Oddspell June 23, 2016 - 4:25 pm

Centre of attention,

If that’s the hang up then I have to think Subban is an Oiler before the draft. Surely that would be Chia haggling.

AsiaOil June 23, 2016 - 4:25 pm

Is it all all possible for you to make a comment without calling people who disagree with your opinion stupid or some other such junk? Or how about adding some content instead of just flapping your gums with insults. It’s a pretty low bar to strive for as a poster.

Caramel Batman: If Chiarelli thinks the expansion draft is relevant in acquiring one or two defensemen he is incompetent.

Stupid people are stupid.

Picturesque June 23, 2016 - 4:25 pm

Centre of attention:
So Dougie Hamilton to Montreal and Subban to Edmonton 4th overall to Calgary?!?!?

I need another drink.

Nah, this is misses the Dubois part of the deal – which is the main attraction of the trade talk. Chia is listening to the Flames only to get the Habs to bite the bullet.

Jethro Tull June 23, 2016 - 4:25 pm

Protagonist: Don’t take my words as overvaluing Drai. But you’ve got to make sure the deal makes sense on both sides. Like #4 and Drai and Klef for Subban? That’s too much IMO.

#4, Drai and Klef would make me choke a little more, but I still don’t give Bergevin time to put the phone down.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 4:24 pm

Centre of attention:
Dreger on 1260 thinks that its Draisaitl or nothing. he doesn’t think Peter wants to move Draisaitl.

I say do it 10 out of 10 times.

He’s been listening to Stauffer too much. Edge to Chia.

Protagonist June 23, 2016 - 4:24 pm

Does anyone have any stats from PK’s time when Price was down? Is his defensive side propped up by a ridiculous goaltender?

Protagonist June 23, 2016 - 4:23 pm

Jethro Tull

Do NOT fall in love with your prospects not named McDavid.

Don’t take my words as overvaluing Drai. But you’ve got to make sure the deal makes sense on both sides. Like #4 and Drai and Klef for Subban? That’s too much IMO.

Kiltymcbagpipes June 23, 2016 - 4:23 pm

Centre of attention:
Dreger says that the Flames are talking to the Oilers about the 4th pick?!?!

He says its for real too!!!! Perhaps 3rd team involved?!!

What is even going on!?!

Calgary gets Tkachuk, Edmonton trades #5 Dubois to Mtl???

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! June 23, 2016 - 4:23 pm

Centre of attention:
So Dougie Hamilton to Montreal and Subban to Edmonton 4th overall to Calgary?!?!?

I need another drink.

This would be wild

wheatnoil June 23, 2016 - 4:22 pm

Centre of attention:
Dreger on 1260 thinks that its Draisaitl or nothing. he doesn’t think Peter wants to move Draisaitl.

I say do it 10 out of 10 times.

I’m not sure how accurate Dreger is on this stuff. I know he’s a big TSN name, but he throws a lot of stuff out there. In this very interview he talked about Calgary wanting to add a 2nd Top 5 pick, maybe trading with Edmonton.

Like, what do you take seriously?

Clearly there’s something there with Edmonton and Montreal, but I’m not sure I’d trust specifics unless it’s from McKenzie or Friedman (or someone truly plugged in with either team).

Woodguy June 23, 2016 - 4:22 pm

Bohologo: Benny “The Jet” Urquidez will be right over with Lloyd Dobler to let you know that was Peter Gabriel.

“Your eyes” right?

N64 June 23, 2016 - 4:22 pm

Woodguy:

Full Woodguy means always having your caddy carry 2+1 drivers.

Centre of attention June 23, 2016 - 4:21 pm

So Dougie Hamilton to Montreal and Subban to Edmonton 4th overall to Calgary?!?!? More pieces involved on all sides but that would be the base one would think?

I need another drink.

Jethro Tull June 23, 2016 - 4:21 pm

Protagonist:
You know, I love Dr. Drai. But I think I give him up for Subban in the right deal. The RIGHT deal. Something where maybe they eat some salary?

No. Drai is still a prospect. A shit hot prospect, but a prospect none the less. He needs repeatability and to be able to play away from Hall, You currently trade him for Subban every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Do NOT fall in love with your prospects not named McDavid.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 4:20 pm

Centre of attention:
Dreger says that the Flames are talking to the Oilers about the 4th pick?!?!

He says its for real too!!!! Perhaps 3rd team involved?!!

What is even going on!?!

Just answering that call keeps Habs’ attention.

Woodguy June 23, 2016 - 4:20 pm

Магия 10: Stauffer has retweeted this.

Bob’s a mench

N64 June 23, 2016 - 4:19 pm

Jethro Tull:
F5,F5,F5,F5,F5,F5,F5,F5,F5 ad infinitum.

lots of e5 too.

Richard S.S. June 23, 2016 - 4:19 pm

For P.K. Subban, you trade any pick or picks they want and hope a pick comes back (it probably won’t). You trade any Center, not named Connor McDavid, they want (try not to lose both Nuge and Drai). You trade any Winger they want plus any Prospect(s) they want (hope something else comes back).

Klefbom, Draisaitl, Yakupov and the 4th gives them a replacement D on a cheap contract, a #1 Center, cheap scoring and the future of their choice. All are easily traded, after July 1st $9.0 million will never leave.

Centre of attention June 23, 2016 - 4:19 pm

Dreger says that the Flames are talking to the Oilers about the 4th pick?!?!

He says its for real too!!!! Perhaps 3rd team involved?!!

What is even going on!?!

Younger Oil June 23, 2016 - 4:19 pm

Centre of attention:
Dreger on 1260 thinks that its Draisaitl or nothing. he doesn’t think Peter wants to move Draisaitl.

I say do it 10 out of 10 times.

C’mon Pete, these chances barely come up.

Woodguy June 23, 2016 - 4:19 pm

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Well, I disagree with this interpretation that he has gone full Woodguy. When he was asked about it by Gazzola (balance) he said “we can live without it.” When he was asked by the other reporter in the TSN scrum, he said he prefers righty-lefty.

So while I agree that he prefers a “permanent,” right handed Top 4 D solution, meaning it is likely a core guy is going to be on the move out, he said he could also do without and bring in a lefty who plays right D as a more temporary solution if he can’t fix it all in one fell swoop.

Unless we are redefining full Woodguy here, respectfully I disagree with the take on this. I do think that Chia is being very prudent and weighing all options and not married to the rigid idea it HAS to be a righty.

p.s. this is a GREAT thing. Because it means he won’t get taken to the woodshed (pun intended) because he is absolutely fixated on handedness. This is a very good thing.

Always go full Woodguy

N64 June 23, 2016 - 4:18 pm

Centre of attention:
Brian Lawton ‏@brianlawton92m2 minutes ago
Hearing @EdmontonOilers very interested in P.K. and considering a big ask that includes everyone not named McDavid.

I’m losing my sh*t right now.

Just noticed this on his timeline:

Pierre LeBrunVerified account
‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun
Lightning announce Ryan Callahan to miss World Cup of Hockey (Team USA) after having hip surgery. Out 5 months.

Guess that gets them out of their PK mistake (Phil)

Protagonist June 23, 2016 - 4:18 pm

You know, I love Dr. Drai. But I think I give him up for Subban in the right deal. The RIGHT deal. Something where maybe they eat some salary?

Kiltymcbagpipes June 23, 2016 - 4:18 pm

Centre of attention:
Dreger on 1260 thinks that its Draisaitl or nothing. he doesn’t think Peter wants to move Draisaitl.

I say do it 10 out of 10 times.

I bet Hopkins over Draisaitl. And hope

Kiltymcbagpipes June 23, 2016 - 4:17 pm

Gm meeting was 4-6 so why was press conference scheduled for 5:30?

Klima's_Bucket June 23, 2016 - 4:17 pm

Магия 10,

And remember, it’s not a lie, if you believe it….

Jethro Tull June 23, 2016 - 4:17 pm

F5,F5,F5,F5,F5,F5,F5,F5,F5 ad infinitum.

Centre of attention June 23, 2016 - 4:17 pm

Dreger on 1260 thinks that its Draisaitl or nothing. he doesn’t think Peter wants to move Draisaitl.

I say do it 10 out of 10 times.

Younger Oil June 23, 2016 - 4:17 pm

Is the press conference on now or pushed back again?

N64 June 23, 2016 - 4:15 pm

Picturesque: And Chia could take it all away from the Canucks if he picks Dubois at #4 …that’s a pretty good ace up the sleeve to prevent Subban from playing in our division.

Habs only have to believe he will.

Picturesque June 23, 2016 - 4:14 pm

godot10: Chia

And Chia could take it all away from the Canucks if he picks Dubois at #4 …that’s a pretty good ace up the sleeve to prevent Subban from playing in our division.

Centre of attention June 23, 2016 - 4:14 pm

Brian Lawton ‏@brianlawton9 2m2 minutes ago
Hearing @EdmontonOilers very interested in P.K. and considering a big ask that includes everyone not named McDavid.

I’m losing my sh*t right now.

Younger Oil June 23, 2016 - 4:13 pm

godot10:
All the Tkachuk talk out of Edmonton got Vancouver in the Subban sweepstakes.

#5OV, Tanev, Horvat plus

Very good point.

That is why you don’t tip your cards too early.

To be fair though, that VAN offer is better than the Draisaitl offer. Not better than the Hall one though.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 4:12 pm

Todd Macallan:
Dreger: Bergevin is “serious about moving Subban.” Jeez.

Same rules apply as when Dreger pops off on Hall.

Jethro Tull June 23, 2016 - 4:12 pm

Todd Macallan:
Dreger: Bergevin is “serious about moving Subban.” Jeez.

Fire, meet gasoline.

Jethro Tull June 23, 2016 - 4:11 pm

Even if not true, the rumours of Subban even being said in the same sentence as Edmonton is awesome. And I don’t mean “Subban lights up the Oilers in a run away last night.”

N64 June 23, 2016 - 4:10 pm

Ducey: What does VAN even have that would allow them to get PK?

Looking at Woodguy’s RD hunt list, his #5 was Tanev.

Benning’s already planning to broadcast The Decision with Subban, Stamkos, and Lucic explaining why they came to Vancouver.

godot10 June 23, 2016 - 4:10 pm

All the Tkachuk talk out of Edmonton got Vancouver in the Subban sweepstakes.

#5OV, Tanev, Horvat plus

Todd Macallan June 23, 2016 - 4:09 pm

Dreger: Bergevin is “serious about moving Subban.” Jeez.

v4ance June 23, 2016 - 4:08 pm

If we get Subban, I can foresee we might not have enough money for BOTH Lucic and Demers as UFA signings. In that case, I hope Chia goes for the position of most need (Demers) and passes on Lucic to make the cap work.

blainer June 23, 2016 - 4:07 pm

I really don’t think the Habs are trading Subban. Would just be very surprised. It’s the one player i have no problem trading Hall for though.

Todd Macallan June 23, 2016 - 4:07 pm

Dreger on with Gregor in two minutes to talk Subban rumours

vinotintazo June 23, 2016 - 4:07 pm

Jethro Tull:
If we don’t get Subban, are we allowed to blow nine mill on Stamkos?

can he play D? he’s Right-Handed!

Ducey June 23, 2016 - 4:06 pm

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
Boy, Benning sure likes to talk a lot.

I can see how he can comment on going after Lucic (LA has given him permission to talk to him) but Stamkos is under contract still. Isn’t that tampering?

What does VAN even have that would allow them to get PK?

What a dingbat.

I would think any PK trade won’t go down until after pick #3 is in the books. MTL likely wants PLD and prudence demands they make sure he is still on the board at #4.

Pouzar June 23, 2016 - 4:05 pm

Can’t help but think about RF’s comment about Candiens wanting to get out from PK’s cap hit.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 4:04 pm

Jethro Tull:
If we don’t get Subban, are we allowed to blow nine mill on Stamkos?

No but we could go 9 years on Lucic.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 4:04 pm

godot10: I was going for a #1OV and three #4OV’s for Subban.

Figured as much.

Jethro Tull June 23, 2016 - 4:03 pm

If we don’t get Subban, are we allowed to blow nine mill on Stamkos?

godot10 June 23, 2016 - 4:03 pm

Магия 10: If you made that Nurse instead of Reihart, they’d have the Oiler 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2016 1st rounders. Good thing we drafted so well after the 1st round.

I was going for a #1OV and three #4OV’s for Subban.

wheatnoil June 23, 2016 - 4:02 pm

Bad Seed:
wheatnoil,

You mean like MacT?

Just like him but, possibly, worse.

LoDog June 23, 2016 - 4:01 pm

I’d guess the return for PK would be less than many might think. Not a lot of teams can take on a 9 million contract and add in a bunch of teams probably don’t like his “attitude”

N64 June 23, 2016 - 4:01 pm

godot10: Just pray that Columbus doesn’t pick Pierre Luc Dubois, or the Subban deal would be off.

Montreal will sell “le grande Quebecois” hope to justify the Subban deal.

I expect something like Draisaitl, Yakupov, #4OV(Dubois), Reinhart for Subban.

If you made that Nurse instead of Reihart, they’d have the Oiler 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2016 1st rounders. Good thing we drafted so well after the 1st round. 😉

Jethro Tull June 23, 2016 - 4:01 pm

Pouzar: So yer tellin me there’s a chance!!!!!!

Everybody knows million to one chances come up 9 times out of 10.

Terry Pratchett.

Protagonist June 23, 2016 - 4:01 pm

PaperDesigner: On TSN’s NHL page, the top story has Bob McKenzie referring to the trade rumours as serious trade negotiations.

So it’s not a done deal, but there’s something up.

Yeah, but when’s the last time that something like this went down WITHOUT McKenzie and co screaming it even before it happened. It usually leaks out LONG before a press-conference can be called.

Bad Seed June 23, 2016 - 4:00 pm

wheatnoil,

You mean like MacT?

wheatnoil June 23, 2016 - 4:00 pm

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
Boy, Benning sure likes to talk a lot.

I know hey? I almost feel bad for Canucks fans.

Almost.

Well not really.

But Benning really needs to learn that old adage: “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt.”

PaperDesigner June 23, 2016 - 3:59 pm

Protagonist:
You know, one mark against this actually being a trade that happens: none of the big guys have reported on it yet.

On TSN’s NHL page, the top story has Bob McKenzie referring to the trade rumours as serious trade negotiations.

So it’s not a done deal, but there’s something up.

leadfarmer June 23, 2016 - 3:57 pm

I’m surprised these trade rumors don’t have a Yak thrown in.

Grabbing PK would sure make this defense at least palatable.

Protagonist June 23, 2016 - 3:57 pm

You know, one mark against this actually being a trade that happens: none of the big guys have reported on it yet.

Pouzar June 23, 2016 - 3:56 pm

Jethro Tull: He could have killed this so many times already, even with an official tweet.Don’t need a presser to say you’re not trading someone.

So yer tellin me there’s a chance!!!!!!

godot10 June 23, 2016 - 3:55 pm

npanciroli:
Trading the 4th in a Subban deal saves us from making the wrong choice on MT and PLD.

Just pray that Columbus doesn’t pick Pierre Luc Dubois, or the Subban deal would be off.

Montreal will sell “le grande Quebecois” hope to justify the Subban deal.

I expect something like Draisaitl, Yakupov, #4OV(Dubois), Reinhart for Subban.

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) June 23, 2016 - 3:55 pm

Boy, Benning sure likes to talk a lot.

Kiltymcbagpipes June 23, 2016 - 3:55 pm

If there is a deal I wouldn’t expect anything less of what I posted earlier today :

Nuge+Klefbom+Pouliot +#4 (Dubois)

For Subban, Eller + #9

Jethro Tull June 23, 2016 - 3:51 pm

Pouzar:
Any doubt this anything other than a “we aren’t trading PK but’s our job to listen….” presser?

He could have killed this so many times already, even with an official tweet. Don’t need a presser to say you’re not trading someone.

v4ance June 23, 2016 - 3:46 pm

If Chiarelli gets Subban for Drai, 4th and Fayne, I’ll be happy.

If he does this, he’ll have gotten Chara for Boston and PK for Edmonton. In that case, I take back every bad thought I had since yesterday :p

Aron_S June 23, 2016 - 3:45 pm

wheatnoil,

I’ve seen a few references to this today. What did Benning say to run his mouth earlier today?

N64 June 23, 2016 - 3:43 pm

wheatnoil: The presser was pre-booked before the rumours exploded today. Bet they’re wishing Benning didn’t run his mouth putting everything out in the open earlier!

Remember how Sweeney reacted to talk of an offer sheet from Chia.

PaperDesigner June 23, 2016 - 3:42 pm

Pouzar:
Any doubt this anything other than a “we aren’t trading PK but’s our job to listen….” presser?

Sure, that’s the SANE expectation.

But that’s way less fun! PK Subban, coming to Edmonton confirmed! Tin foil hats! Tin foil hats for everyone!

wheatnoil June 23, 2016 - 3:40 pm

Pouzar:
Any doubt this anything other than a “we aren’t trading PK but’s our job to listen….” presser?

The presser was pre-booked before the rumours exploded today. Bet they’re wishing Benning didn’t run his mouth putting everything out in the open earlier!

Protagonist June 23, 2016 - 3:40 pm

Pouzar:
Any SANE doubt this anything other than a “we aren’t trading PK but’s our job to listen….” presser?

FTFY.

Pouzar June 23, 2016 - 3:39 pm

Any doubt this anything other than a “we aren’t trading PK but’s our job to listen….” presser?

spoiler June 23, 2016 - 3:38 pm

I wonder how much the enormous number Yandle got is playing into this?

I mean what the frick are Demers and Campbell going to get?

Protagonist June 23, 2016 - 3:38 pm

Press conference pushed by to 6:15. HMMMMMM. Couldn’t get in contact with PK to announce him that he’s been swapped for Korpikoski? Well, now I’m listening to english language Montreal radio all day long. THANKS EVERYONE.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 3:38 pm

jfry:
http://player.montreal.tsn.ca/

montreal tsn broadcast saying this was annual scheduled event.

breaking: pushed back 45 min.

now saying gms have an event until top of hour.

local media not happy with how gm is handling this nor with benning’s comments. also somehow realize hall > drai.

Truth June 23, 2016 - 3:38 pm

BrianWilde ‏@BWildeCTV 2m2 minutes ago
Habs GM Bergevin has just pushed his presser back to 6:15.

Things are happening

jfry June 23, 2016 - 3:37 pm

presser pushed to 4:15

PaperDesigner June 23, 2016 - 3:35 pm

Магия 10: The world is cruel enough to have stupidity at the both end of a Subban trade. Imagine Montreal when the Oilers pick Dubois tomorrow.

Oh, I agree. There are definitely combinations of players I would not be happy if they were surrendered for Subban. But I remain hopeful until the shoe finally drops.

Todd Macallan June 23, 2016 - 3:35 pm

RDS currently showing Dubois highlights while waiting for the Bergevin presser. My french is poor but they keep saying “Jamie Benn.” Ill choose to take this as a positive sign.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 3:33 pm

PaperDesigner: It can’t, until the moment it does.

Even if Subban is dealt, there are other teams that may end up with him.

The world is cruel enough to have stupidity at the both ends of a Subban trade. Imagine Montreal when the Oilers pick Dubois tomorrow before Montreal uses the Cancuks pick.

jfry June 23, 2016 - 3:33 pm
Water Fire June 23, 2016 - 3:32 pm

No need to worry about health with Lucic or Demers, I imagine the Oilers have good inside info on them.

Centre of attention June 23, 2016 - 3:32 pm

Tire Fire:
I don’t see the Habs trading PK for a winger + extras.If there’s a deal, it must be for a centre + at least some defence help, no?

Word is that they want Draisaitl, 4th and another asset. Maybe K-Bomb or Nurse or something like that.

PaperDesigner June 23, 2016 - 3:31 pm

Protagonist:
This, this can’t be happening can it?

It can’t, until the moment it does.

Even if Subban is dealt, there are other teams that may end up with him.

spoiler June 23, 2016 - 3:31 pm

Well, if the rumour is true, we won’t be hearing stories about the “quiet dressing room” any more.

Lowetide June 23, 2016 - 3:30 pm

tarvbc:
Hey Lowetide, just wondering about your thoughts on past trades for former #1 overall picks?Nordiques traded 2 two of their 1st overalls and was forced to trade their generational talent and still became a great organization. Yes it was a different era and trades were different back then but you get my point.

For the record I am not a big Taylor Hall supporter. Number one reason is cause he’s been a good point producing player (absolutely nothing more) on horrible teams ala rick nash who i view as being overated. Now in saying this I believe the right way to go about getting a defencemen isn’t by trading Hall but trading either Eberle or Nuge.Keep Hall play him on one line and play Mcdavid on another with Lucic.Trade Pouliot (Chia done it once before and then replace with Lucic) and trade either one of Nuge/ebs for defence.Keeping Hall and Lucic on your left side would be more ideal towards a playoff team than replacing Hall with Lucic.Replace one 6 mil contract with another ??

I think Hall is wildly underrated by many.

Protagonist June 23, 2016 - 3:30 pm

This, this can’t be happening can it?

LMHF#1 June 23, 2016 - 3:29 pm

vinotintazo: fair enough.

If it were a bigger group of players in the mix 1-4, you’d be 100% correct. He’d likely wait if there were any hope in hell Laine would fall to 4.

Diesel June 23, 2016 - 3:28 pm

Oh hey guys just thought I’d swing through and ask what you guys think of Mark Pys OH MY GOD

N64 June 23, 2016 - 3:28 pm

Tire Fire:
I don’t see the Habs trading PK for a winger + extras.If there’s a deal, it must be for a centre + at least some defence help, no?

No handshake when we sent Petry?

NecrOILmancer June 23, 2016 - 3:27 pm

I don’t see the Habs trading PK for a winger + extras. If there’s a deal, it must be for a centre + at least some defence help, no?

vinotintazo June 23, 2016 - 3:26 pm

LMHF#1: I wouldn’t want to be put so on the spot deciding on whether to move a massive piece of my roster for Subban in such a short timeframe. Someone might also undermine or outbid you in the meantime. The player available at #4 does not change the value in a trade like this.

fair enough.

tarvbc June 23, 2016 - 3:25 pm

Hey Lowetide, just wondering about your thoughts on past trades for former #1 overall picks? Nordiques traded 2 two of their 1st overalls and was forced to trade their generational talent and still became a great organization. Yes it was a different era and trades were different back then but you get my point.

For the record I am not a big Taylor Hall supporter. Number one reason is cause he’s been a good point producing player (absolutely nothing more) on horrible teams ala rick nash who i view as being overated. Now in saying this I believe the right way to go about getting a defencemen isn’t by trading Hall but trading either Eberle or Nuge. Keep Hall play him on one line and play Mcdavid on another with Lucic. Trade Pouliot (Chia done it once before and then replace with Lucic) and trade either one of Nuge/ebs for defence. Keeping Hall and Lucic on your left side would be more ideal towards a playoff team than replacing Hall with Lucic. Replace one 6 mil contract with another ??

N64 June 23, 2016 - 3:24 pm

LMHF#1: *hat tip*

Lots of smoke around this.

Any french media chatter?

You’d think this avail was already scheduled or put in place to push back on the rumor not to announce a trade.

vinotintazo June 23, 2016 - 3:24 pm

leadfarmer: I would laugh if Habs trade Subban. Poor Petry, back to having to play top pairing.

I loled.

npanciroli June 23, 2016 - 3:23 pm

Trading the 4th in a Subban deal saves us from making the wrong choice on MT and PLD.

pboy June 23, 2016 - 3:22 pm

You f@ckers are going to break the internet before tomorrow night. Is Bergeron really going to pick a coach over Subban?

N64 June 23, 2016 - 3:22 pm

Centre of attention:
Ferraro just said there is a greater than 50% chance that the Habs trade Subban.

“I think they want to get out from under that cap hit, I really do”

Well that’s helpful if 50%+ Ferraro and 50%+ Stauffer are allowed to ink a deal.

LMHF#1 June 23, 2016 - 3:22 pm

Todd Macallan:
LMHF#1,

Was trying to think of a way to say exactly this, but you are clearly more articulate than I

*hat tip*

Lots of smoke around this.

Any french media chatter?

Centre of attention June 23, 2016 - 3:22 pm

This Subban stuff reminds me of the Tyler Seguin situation a few years ago. It went from “no way they’re trading him” to “oh shit” real fast

PaperDesigner June 23, 2016 - 3:21 pm

Centre of attention:
Ferraro just said there is a greater than 50% chance that the Habs trade Subban.

“I think they want to get out from under that cap hit, I really do”

It’s unfortunate that Ferraro isn’t Montreal’s GM–he seemed willing to part with Subban for a really reasonable price.

Wonder Llama June 23, 2016 - 3:20 pm

Pajamah: What does Fayne + Draistatl (assuming full bonus) work out as a net salary gain if the Oilers get Subban. 9.7M for 3.75 and 3 ish?

Are you asking for someone to do the arithmetic?

Drai + Fayne + Korpse is almost perfect.

Centre of attention June 23, 2016 - 3:20 pm

Ferraro just said there is a greater than 50% chance that the Habs trade Subban.

“I think they want to get out from under that cap hit, I really do”

Drew June 23, 2016 - 3:17 pm

Магия 10: IF Subban is moving please don’t tell me that Georges was right about Drai but the Oilers talked them “down” to Hall

why do you keep doing this, pisses me off. just when i am in my happy place. 🙂

Centre of attention June 23, 2016 - 3:17 pm

leadfarmer:
I would laugh if Habs trade Subban.Poor Petry, back to having to play top pairing.

He might get Klefbom as his partner, for what it’s worth 🙂

jfry June 23, 2016 - 3:16 pm

anyone know where there is a link to the presser that’s coming up?

N64 June 23, 2016 - 3:13 pm

Centre of attention:
McDavid-Hall-Subban is the kind of three headed monster you build a championship team out of.

Hold onto your butts boys&girls.

IF Subban is moving please don’t tell me that Georges was right about Drai but the Oilers talked them “down” to Hall.

Nice at least to see the shoe on the other foot. Has submarined all the Hall for Hamanic and scratch tickets talk.

leadfarmer June 23, 2016 - 3:12 pm

I would laugh if Habs trade Subban. Poor Petry, back to having to play top pairing.

Todd Macallan June 23, 2016 - 3:12 pm

LMHF#1,

Was trying to think of a way to say exactly this, but you are clearly more articulate than I

LMHF#1 June 23, 2016 - 3:10 pm

vinotintazo:
there is no reason for Chia to deal the 4rth OVA before tomorrow right after the 3rd OVA Pick is made.

I wouldn’t want to be put so on the spot deciding on whether to move a massive piece of my roster for Subban in such a short timeframe. Someone might also undermine or outbid you in the meantime. The player available at #4 does not change the value in a trade like this.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 3:09 pm

I’d assume the presser is to push back on the speculation. You’d think tomorrow is more likely if anything is happening at all.

Bruce ArthurVerified account ‏@bruce_arthur 34m34 minutes ago
A big question for Montreal: The PK Subban trade talks are in the open now. How far can you go before you walk it back? Can you?

Matthew Sekeres @mattsekeres
Benning: “nowhere near close” to a Subban deal but expects if there is a deal to be made, negotiations would go through the night tonight

Nik- ‏@NikkF07
Marc Bergevin’s 5:30 presser just became all things PK Subban .. Benning did Bergevin no favours today.

Ben Massey ‏@Lord_Bob
Habs trading Subban in his prime for a first and a future 2C would be like, I dunno, trading Chris Pronger for Eric Brewer and two AHLers.

Woodguy ‏@Woodguy55
Woodguy Retweeted David Staples
My twitter poll for Oiler fans on this on got 83% yes with 686 votes so far. @ChrisBoyle33 https://twitter.com/Woodguy55/status/746045428785811457

jfry June 23, 2016 - 3:08 pm

wheatnoil,

i would guess that subban would know the details. i’m sure the oilers want to introduce him and have him prepared for this. if this is true, we’re trading a former number 1 for a norris winner. this is a massive trade, where all parties will be prepared and properly versed on their talking points.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 3:07 pm

Todd Macallan:
jfry,

Sounds like Bergevin is addressing the media at 530 ET.

Can only hope your employee isn’t messing with you, and if he is it might be grounds for dismissal. Also hope “another dman” is Fayne and not Nurse/Kelf on that chance that is it true.

This sounds like LT has a long lost cousin in Montreal:

Marc Dumont ‏@MarcPDumont 2m2 minutes ago
Marc Bergevin could have put an end to all this random Subban speculation at the end of year presser But he left it open. So here we are.

Centre of attention June 23, 2016 - 3:07 pm

McDavid-Hall-Subban is the kind of three headed monster you build a championship team out of.

Hold onto your butts boys&girls.

Younger Oil June 23, 2016 - 3:07 pm

I think things would be noisier if a trade was going to be announced in the next half hour

BONVIE June 23, 2016 - 3:06 pm

v4ance:
Someone had a tweet up that I can’t find anymore to credit but it was a good point.

If MTL’s ask is #4 OV and Drai for PK, the trade will be consummated right before the pick.But in meantime, Chia will keep his options open in case the offer can be rearranged or improved.

If we could substitute Nuge for Draisatel we would be laughing works better on the cap exchange, we could top it up with a Pouliot. Nuge, Pouliot, and the 4th for Subban, and Mtl’s first.

vinotintazo June 23, 2016 - 3:04 pm

there is no reason for Chia to deal the 4rth OVA before tomorrow right after the 3rd OVA Pick is made.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 3:04 pm

Caramel Batman: Did he actually use the term “marginal cost?”

This is a big day.

Hah. No. Just agreed to a hypothetical. He spoke of it as just another factor. Earlier today he referred to expansion impact as one extra board to track moves against.

square_wheels June 23, 2016 - 3:04 pm

PaperDesigner,

there is no chance in hell its Klefbom

**places dogshit in paper bag, finds matches, starts driving to Chia’s house**

PaperDesigner June 23, 2016 - 3:02 pm

Todd Macallan:
jfry,

Sounds like Bergevin is addressing the media at 530 ET.

Can only hope your employee isn’t messing with you, and if he is it might be grounds for dismissal. Also hope “another dman” is Fayne and not Nurse/Kelf on that chance that is it true.

Nurse I could handle. Klefbom… uh, that would hurt. A lot.

Kiltymcbagpipes June 23, 2016 - 3:01 pm

I will lose my mind (in a good way) if we get Subban. I’m not kidding.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 3:01 pm

wheatnoil: In a different press conference he stated that everyone’s going to lose someone and you only consider if you’re going to lose a significant piece, but he generally downplayed it.

He made exactly the same comment on Oilers Now, but bit on the 2nd D hypothetical. Only agreed it could be a factor on the 2nd one. Not a contradiction.

Todd Macallan June 23, 2016 - 3:01 pm

jfry,

Sounds like Bergevin is addressing the media at 530 ET.

Can only hope your employee isn’t messing with you, and if he is it might be grounds for dismissal. Also hope “another dman” is Fayne and not Nurse/Kelf on the chance that is it true.

Truth June 23, 2016 - 3:00 pm

jfry:
an employee of mine just got a text from a player on the habs saying that at 330 Edmonton time, they’re going to announce Subban + 9th, for hall, 4th and another dman.

take it for what it’s worth.

And the line snaps off the downrigger.

wheatnoil June 23, 2016 - 3:00 pm

Магия 10: He said all the right things about you don’t act from fear of losing anyone because you are going to lose a good player anyways. But he did admit you have to factor in the marginal costs and that in some cases yeah it could affect specific decisions about landing a 2nd D this summer.

The better the 2nd D you bring in the less relevant this would be. The closer he is to the D you would lose the more relevant this is. It’s not black and white either way.

Deleted my post b/c this describes what he said better.

Cassandra June 23, 2016 - 2:59 pm

Магия 10: He said all the right things about you don’t act from fear of losing anyone because you are going to lose a good player anyways. But he did admit you have to factor in the marginal costs and that in some cases yeah it could affect specific decisions about landing a 2nd D this summer.

The better the 2nd D you bring in the less relevant this would be. The closer he is to the D you would lose the more relevant this is. It’s not black and white either way.

Did he actually use the term “marginal cost?”

This is a big day.

wheatnoil June 23, 2016 - 2:59 pm

PaperDesigner: I would love for that to be true, but I don’t see that happening. If they were this close, someone like Bob McKenzie would be tweeting something out.

And how would a player find out the details? I bet Subban doesn’t even know the details of the trade except through McKenzie and Twitter.

Cassandra June 23, 2016 - 2:58 pm

wheatnoil: In a different press conference he stated that everyone’s going to lose someone and you only consider if you’re going to lose a significant piece, but he generally downplayed it.

Nevermind then. I might be getting on the Chiarelli bandwagon.

PaperDesigner June 23, 2016 - 2:57 pm

jfry:
an employee of mine just got a text from a player on the habs saying that at 330 Edmonton time, they’re going to announce Subban + 9th, for hall, 4th and another dman.

take it for what it’s worth.

I would love for that to be true, but I don’t see that happening. If they were this close, someone like Bob McKenzie would be tweeting something out.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 2:57 pm

Caramel Batman: If Chiarelli thinks the expansion draft is relevant in acquiring one or two defensemen he is incompetent.

Stupid people are stupid.

He said all the right things about you don’t act from fear of losing anyone because you are going to lose a good player anyways. But he did admit you have to factor in the marginal costs and that in some cases yeah it could affect specific decisions about landing a 2nd D this summer.

The better the 2nd D you bring in the less relevant this would be. The closer he is to the D you would lose the more relevant this is. It’s not black and white either way.

Cassandra June 23, 2016 - 2:57 pm

kinger_OIL:
– There is no way they trade Subban without getting some D back, so I am skeptical about the authenticity of that “ask” from the Habs.

We can add Fayne to the pile.

P.S. If this deal happens I take back everything I ever said or thought about Chiarelli.

P.P.S. I remain skeptical. But Montreal is one of the worst run teams in the league so it’s possible.

LMHF#1 June 23, 2016 - 2:56 pm

New article from Matheson claiming PK is the #1 target.

I don’t know whether this amps things up or means nothing. The article is a total mishmash of interesting and useless. http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/edmonton-oilers/p-k-subban-is-edmonton-oilers-gms-true-nhl-trade-target

v4ance June 23, 2016 - 2:54 pm

Someone had a tweet up that I can’t find anymore to credit but it was a good point.

If MTL’s ask is #4 OV and Drai for PK, the trade will be consummated right before the pick. But in meantime, Chia will keep his options open in case the offer can be rearranged or improved.

jfry June 23, 2016 - 2:53 pm

an employee of mine just got a text from a player on the habs saying that at 330 Edmonton time, they’re going to announce Subban + 9th, for hall, 4th and another dman.

take it for what it’s worth.

Pajamah June 23, 2016 - 2:52 pm

Thor762:
Wonder Llama,

If this smoke is close to the truth I’d imagine it’s merely trying to decide which Oiler salary the Habs take to help balance out the numbers.Like Korp or Fayne sort of thing.

What does Fayne + Draistatl (assuming full bonus) work out as a net salary gain if the Oilers get Subban. 9.7M for 3.75 and 3 ish?

N64 June 23, 2016 - 2:52 pm

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Unless we are redefining full Woodguy here, respectfully I disagree with the take on this

I knew I was playing fast and loose saying full Woodguy ;). But very interesting that he tied handedness to the preferred perm option

Drew June 23, 2016 - 2:52 pm

kinger_OIL:
– There is no way they trade Subban without getting some D back, so I am skeptical about the authenticity of that “ask” from the Habs.

oh no! i believe!!! i am all in!!! as I frantically flay around doing the Homer Simpson floor spin.

LMHF#1 June 23, 2016 - 2:52 pm

kinger_OIL:
– There is no way they trade Subban without getting some D back, so I am skeptical about the authenticity of that “ask” from the Habs.

Based on what? They have a strong group and there are UFAs/RFAs that fit their need.

I agree they’d like one back, but don’t see how they’re in a position to either demand it or limit their options. Requiring a defenceman back limits the forward return they can receive, which is where they badly need an upgrade.

LMHF#1 June 23, 2016 - 2:50 pm

Drew: thinking make it bigger, i would suggest they take Poulliot and a 2ndand send back the 9th so we take Brown to replace Drai. Oil clear a little salary and MTL flesh out their forwards.

Agreed that you have to make it bigger. The MTL player that I target (and I think it needs to be a player, not a pick) is usually Galchenyuk. If the price Georges heard is somehow accurate (I’m skeptical), then I’ve likely overshot on my earlier proposal to acquire Subban and Galchenyuk.

As mentioned in another post, the salaries are also REALLY unbalanced. You’d have to have a trade of one of the $6M men in place for someone elite who is still cheap already in place.

Thor762 June 23, 2016 - 2:49 pm

Wonder Llama,

If this smoke is close to the truth I’d imagine it’s merely trying to decide which Oiler salary the Habs take to help balance out the numbers. Like Korp or Fayne sort of thing.

Cassandra June 23, 2016 - 2:47 pm

Магия 10:
Chia on Oilers Now.

– Agrees expansion draft might affect acquiring one vs. two D
– Bob: likely to pick at 4. Chia: to be precise > 50%
– Bob: more like to move salary than pick. Chia: reasonable, but not selling low.

That’s all folks. Bob shied away from questions even remotely connected to the ideas he’s been pushing.

If Chiarelli thinks the expansion draft is relevant in acquiring one or two defensemen he is incompetent.

Stupid people are stupid.

kinger_OIL June 23, 2016 - 2:47 pm

– There is no way they trade Subban without getting some D back, so I am skeptical about the authenticity of that “ask” from the Habs.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 2:47 pm

Wonder Llama:
A Drai + 4OV for Subban is really unbalanced cap-wise. There would have to some other pieces involved, no? Doubt MTL feels like retaining all that much of PK’s salary.

Yes. The twitter poll Woodguy is running has 686 votes after 3 hours. I’m guessing Habs fans may be on his poll by now 😉

Woodguy @Woodguy55
So @Bob_Stauffer wants to know if you would do a package for Subban that was the #4 + Draisaitl + + . What say you?

semi legendary rot lobster June 23, 2016 - 2:46 pm

4ov+drai for subban? do it!!!

i love me some drai, but mcd ebs and hall nug driving 2 lines backed by kbom and pk for 25 mins a night is gold

Thor762 June 23, 2016 - 2:46 pm

JDï™,

I dump gasoline on that smoke all day along if it’s for Drai, 4th overall, plus whatever to balance salary.

PaperDesigner June 23, 2016 - 2:45 pm

Wonder Llama:
A Drai + 4OV for Subban is really unbalanced cap-wise. There would have to some other pieces involved, no? Doubt MTL feels like retaining all that much of PK’s salary.

It’s the fabled three for one. The third asset is the cap space.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 2:44 pm

Woodguy:
From Chia’s one on one with Bob:

“We have some good players on this team, but I know we haven’t had success but I’m not selling low”

Smart people are smart.

Stauffer has retweeted this.

Wonder Llama June 23, 2016 - 2:44 pm

A Drai + 4OV for Subban is really unbalanced cap-wise. There would have to some other pieces involved, no? Doubt MTL feels like retaining all that much of PK’s salary.

Drew June 23, 2016 - 2:42 pm

LMHF#1: I really don’t want to move Leon, but does the Subban chatter seeming to be real ever make the discussion tempting.

If that’s around what they want for Subban, you can find a way to make it work. Again – preferably without the C going back being Leon.

thinking make it bigger, i would suggest they take Poulliot and a 2nd and send back the 9th so we take Brown to replace Drai. Oil clear a little salary and MTL flesh out their forwards.

Jethro Tull June 23, 2016 - 2:41 pm

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Sorry about the shutdown. I hope things start looking up for you. Enjoy the beer and family time!

No need to be sorry, it’s our yearly scheduled outage, however it did go on nearly two weeks longer than it should. Something nasty was found lurking in the bottom of the digester…..(I think it was a skeleton with a Korpikoski sweater on. Has he been seen lately?)

And as they say, chaos equals cash. Have to go back to Blighty next year, so any OT is welcome.

Now, about that Subban chap…..

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) June 23, 2016 - 2:40 pm

wheatnoil: In the press conference with the media he brought up the left-right balance twice spontaneously.
Edit: Okay, I see your post. So it’s once spontaneously and once asked about it.
Edit2: Okay, now I’ve caught up and I agree with your overall point. He prefers RHD but is willing to look at all avenues.

(Sorry, I’m a bit hyped up on PK Subban)

D’oh! I just saw your edits now! Ha ha.

Younger Oil June 23, 2016 - 2:40 pm

Woodguy:
Georges LaraqueVerified account
‏@GeorgesLaraque
Someone around the Oilers organization just confirmed to me that the Canadiens asked for Draisaitl and the 4 pick for Subban!

If that’s the ask you have to do that deal. Absolutely have to. And I love Drai.

And that’s what the CANADIENS are asking. Not what the Oilers are suggesting.

Maybe Chia can even talk him down from that, or add on a shitty contract.

Would still maybe have to trade one of the six million dollar men though for salary reasons (not Nuge now).

Trade Yak and a pick for Severson.

Trade a prospect and a pick for Shaw.

Might just have an NHL team by the end of this week.

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) June 23, 2016 - 2:39 pm

Магия 10: Yeah. He’s gone full Woodguy. The full out fix starts with a RD as first move. But there are other paths and there is more than step.

edit:Well it’s not full Woodguy unless the drivers in his golf bag are 2+1.

Well, I disagree with this interpretation that he has gone full Woodguy. When he was asked about it by Gazzola (balance) he said “we can live without it.” When he was asked by the other reporter in the TSN scrum, he said he prefers righty-lefty.

So while I agree that he prefers a “permanent,” right handed Top 4 D solution, meaning it is likely a core guy is going to be on the move out, he said he could also do without and bring in a lefty who plays right D as a more temporary solution if he can’t fix it all in one fell swoop.

Unless we are redefining full Woodguy here, respectfully I disagree with the take on this. I do think that Chia is being very prudent and weighing all options and not married to the rigid idea it HAS to be a righty.

p.s. this is a GREAT thing. Because it means he won’t get taken to the woodshed (pun intended) because he is absolutely fixated on handedness. This is a very good thing.

JD_Wry June 23, 2016 - 2:39 pm

Not very often I see Yost getting into the trade talk:


Travis Yost
‏@travisyost

The PK Subban trade talk is real, fwiw. I don’t know how far along or if anything will happen but it’s not just random smoke.

Oddspell June 23, 2016 - 2:39 pm

LMHF#1,

Oh man, I really like Drai and I’d hate to see him go. His skating has really come along and he reminds me of Thornton. To think that we could roll 3 #1 centers in the next couple years is enticing.

…but for Subban….

LMHF#1 June 23, 2016 - 2:36 pm

Centre of attention:
Georges LaraqueVerified account
‏@GeorgesLaraque
Someone around the Oilers organization just confirmed to me that the Canadiens asked for Draisaitl and the 4 pick for Subban!

Gahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!

I really don’t want to move Leon, but does the Subban chatter seeming to be real ever make the discussion tempting.

If that’s around what they want for Subban, you can find a way to make it work. Again – preferably without the C going back being Leon.

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) June 23, 2016 - 2:36 pm

wheatnoil: In the press conference with the media he brought up the left-right balance twice spontaneously.

Please see above. I see him having done that once spontaneously in the 14:30 clip.

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) June 23, 2016 - 2:35 pm

Jethro Tull:
NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

Thank you for transcribing today for us plebs without video privileges at work.

Coming off of a 25 day shutdown at the mill, looking forward to a weekend of family, sun, beer and cutting the effin’ grass.And the draft, of course.

Sorry about the shutdown. I hope things start looking up for you. Enjoy the beer and family time!

wheatnoil June 23, 2016 - 2:35 pm

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Except he didn’t “bring up the importance of LD/RD balance.” Gazzola asked him the question and used the word “balance.” The video is up there for people to see. Let’s not create narratives that do not exist.

Note- this is not directed at you, Woodguy, but let’s get things straight here.

In the press conference with the media he brought up the left-right balance twice spontaneously.
Edit: Okay, I see your post. So it’s once spontaneously and once asked about it.
Edit2: Okay, now I’ve caught up and I agree with your overall point. He prefers RHD but is willing to look at all avenues.

(Sorry, I’m a bit hyped up on PK Subban)

Centre of attention June 23, 2016 - 2:33 pm

Travis Yost ‏@travisyost 43s44 seconds ago
The PK Subban trade talk is real, fwiw. I don’t know how far along or if anything will happen but it’s not just random smoke.

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) June 23, 2016 - 2:33 pm

One stop shopping for everyone:

Gazzola one-on-one interview with Chiarelli key points:

“Tomorrow has no bearing on it (acquiring a defenseman) unless the pick is involved.”

“I’ve done the exercise of looking at how many #1 defensemen there are in this league. Maybe there’s 12, maybe there’s 15. You’ve got a shortage of #1D so if you think you’re going to acquire one, it’s a tough task.”
“But we’ve got a lot of good players and a lot of other good assets.”

“If we don’t get it (acquiring a D) done by the draft, we’ve got a lot of time to do it.”

“There are a lot of moving parts going on within our organization and within everybody’s organizations. Everyone knows now what the expansion rules are and what the cap’s going to be.”

“How do you change the culture? Everyone talks about having to move out one of these young players that command a big salary. That may or may not be true.”

“We’ll look at all options.”

“I’d like to get a right D because the righty/lefty thing is important.”
-Gazzola: “You favor that balance?”
“WE CAN WORK WITHOUT IT. WE’VE GOT D ON OUR RADAR THAT ARE LEFT D THAT PLAY THE RIGHT SIDE SO…AND KLEF CAN PLAY RIGHT SIDE.” (CAPS mine).

On expansion rules:
“It’s something you have to have in the back of your mind. How everyone else will be exposed. How you are exposed. Trying to get an advantage.”

———————————————
TSN Media scrum:

On the D:
Leading Question- Does it have to be a right shot? It seems like the obvious thing. Or are you more open to upgrading whether it’s left or right?
“I really feel like we need more of the righty-lefty in our group so I am leaning more towards right shot.”


On the expansion draft rules and how that affects his plan
“You have to accept that you’re going to lose a player.”


On Culture change;
“It’s a little bit self-fulfilling when it gets talked about…When you lose you’ve gotta fix things. And you’ve gotta make changes. And that’s what we are looking at doing.”


On possibly not having to move a core piece to fix the D
“There are some situations where I think I can provide a temporary fix that might bridge the gap a little bit. If I get back to the righty-lefty thing, I’d like to get a versatile defender that can play in our top 4. Doesn’t mean we are going to fix it all in one fell swoop. But I’d like to get some permanence to the first step in fixing it.”

N64 June 23, 2016 - 2:31 pm

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
So, having watched TSN and Gazzola multiple times now, I have transcribed the most important parts. Skipped out the parts involving Brossoit or questions about goaltending gear.

Chia mentions lefty-righty a total of 3 times. Once when prompted with a leading question. Twice on his own. I agree it’s clear he would PREFER a long-term, RD, top 4 solution, BUT if the cost is prohibitive, we could see him instead get a left D who can play right side–he mentions that several are on his radar in the Gazzola interview.

I don’t think he is as rigid or fixated on getting a right-hander as some of us are saying. He is weighing all options, and that’s great news. He is a smart man.

Yeah. He’s gone full Woodguy. The full out fix starts with a RD as first move. But there are other paths and there is more than step.

edit: Well it’s not full Woodguy unless the drivers in his golf bag are 2+1.

Jethro Tull June 23, 2016 - 2:30 pm

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

Thank you for transcribing today for us plebs without video privileges at work.

Coming off of a 25 day shutdown at the mill, looking forward to a weekend of family, sun, beer and cutting the effin’ grass. And the draft, of course.

Jethro Tull June 23, 2016 - 2:29 pm

Centre of attention:
Georges LaraqueVerified account
‏@GeorgesLaraque
Someone around the Oilers organization just confirmed to me that the Canadiens asked for Draisaitl and the 4 pick for Subban!

Gahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!

LOL, people driving past Kingsway are around the Oilers organization.

PS: Pull the trigger, Pete.

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) June 23, 2016 - 2:28 pm

So, having watched TSN and Gazzola multiple times now, I have transcribed the most important parts. Skipped out the parts involving Brossoit or questions about goaltending gear.

Chia mentions lefty-righty a total of 3 times. Once when prompted with a leading question. Twice on his own. I agree it’s clear he would PREFER a long-term, RD, top 4 solution, BUT if the cost is prohibitive, we could see him instead get a left D who can play right side–he mentions that several are on his radar in the Gazzola interview.

I don’t think he is as rigid or fixated on getting a right-hander as some of us are saying. He is weighing all options, and that’s great news. He is a smart man.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 2:28 pm

Jethro Tull: Yep.The true insiders know it’s Hall for Hamonic all the way!

LOL

N64 June 23, 2016 - 2:27 pm

Woodguy:
Not sure if this had been posted yet, but Bob McKenzie quoted here about EDM’s and VAN’s inquiry into Subban:

Dreger has reported they’re in, as is Edmonton.


“Yep, absolutely. We discussed that, I just wasn’t sure what we’d put out for public consumption. When I came into Buffalo this morning, Dregs and I talked. Yeah, I’m well aware the fact that the Vancouver Canucks and the Edmonton Oilers, amongst others, have called the Montreal Canadiens, on P.K. Subban.

“It’s probably a lot more difficult for Vancouver to pull that deal, than it would be for Edmonton. I think there would be a lot more moving parts. It would get a lot more complicated.

“And obviously, part of what Montreal is doing here – and again, I’m not suggesting for a moment that part of the reason that they might entertain trading P.K. Subban is because they want to get the 4 or 5 pick in the draft. I mean, that’s not enough justification to trade a player like P.K. Subban. But if that could be part and parcel of what it is that they want to do, then absolutely, that plays into it as well.”

Source: http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/mckenzie-canadiens-entertaining-offers-subban/

The Dubois local market angle (5th does not guarantee it) has got to factor in if they really want to cash in before the July 1 NMC and bonus. Which I doubt.

Jethro Tull June 23, 2016 - 2:27 pm

Магия 10: George has got to get his radio dial off of 630 CHED.

Yep. The true insiders know it’s Hall for Hamonic all the way!

Woodguy June 23, 2016 - 2:27 pm

Georges LaraqueVerified account
‏@GeorgesLaraque
Someone around the Oilers organization just confirmed to me that the Canadiens asked for Draisaitl and the 4 pick for Subban!

Centre of attention June 23, 2016 - 2:27 pm

Магия 10: George has got to get his radio dial off of 630 CHED.

I’m just freaking out right now at anything I see on twitter.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 2:26 pm

Centre of attention: @GeorgesLaraque
Someone around the Oilers organization just confirmed to me that the Canadiens asked for Draisaitl and the 4 pick for Subban!

George has got to get his radio dial off of 630 CHED.

Woodguy June 23, 2016 - 2:25 pm

Not sure if this had been posted yet, but Bob McKenzie quoted here about EDM’s and VAN’s inquiry into Subban:

Dreger has reported they’re in, as is Edmonton.

“Yep, absolutely. We discussed that, I just wasn’t sure what we’d put out for public consumption. When I came into Buffalo this morning, Dregs and I talked. Yeah, I’m well aware the fact that the Vancouver Canucks and the Edmonton Oilers, amongst others, have called the Montreal Canadiens, on P.K. Subban.

“It’s probably a lot more difficult for Vancouver to pull that deal, than it would be for Edmonton. I think there would be a lot more moving parts. It would get a lot more complicated.

“And obviously, part of what Montreal is doing here – and again, I’m not suggesting for a moment that part of the reason that they might entertain trading P.K. Subban is because they want to get the 4 or 5 pick in the draft. I mean, that’s not enough justification to trade a player like P.K. Subban. But if that could be part and parcel of what it is that they want to do, then absolutely, that plays into it as well.”

Source: http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/mckenzie-canadiens-entertaining-offers-subban/

Aron_S June 23, 2016 - 2:25 pm

Centre of attention,

Haha, if that’s it, the deal would be made.

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) June 23, 2016 - 2:25 pm

Okay, TSN:

On the D:
Leading Question- Does it have to be a right shot? It seems like the obvious thing. Or are you more open to upgrading whether it’s left or right?

“I really feel like we need more of the righty-lefty in our group so I am leaning more towards right shot.”

On the expansion draft rules and how that affects his plan

“You have to accept that you’re going to lose a player.”
-Again, obvious statement. Batman and Kilty will be happy. 🙂


On Culture change;
“It’s a little bit self-fulfilling when it gets talked about…When you lose you’ve gotta fix things. And you’ve gotta make changes. And that’s what we are looking at doing.”

-First part he is a smart man and is well aware. That said, he seems like he does want to have some “culture change.”


On possibly not having to move a core piece to fix the D
“There are some situations where I think I can provide a temporary fix that might bridge the gap a little bit. If I get back to the righty-lefty thing, I’d like to get a versatile defender that can play in our top 4. Doesn’t mean we are going to fix it all in one fell swoop. But I’d like to get some permanence to the first step in fixing it.”
–Implies he prefers a core piece going for a long-term solution top 4 D over a temporary stop-gap.

stevezie June 23, 2016 - 2:25 pm

Do it!!!!!!!!!!!

Centre of attention June 23, 2016 - 2:24 pm

Georges LaraqueVerified account
‏@GeorgesLaraque
Someone around the Oilers organization just confirmed to me that the Canadiens asked for Draisaitl and the 4 pick for Subban!

Gahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!

Woodguy June 23, 2016 - 2:20 pm

knighttown: I think this is bang on but I’d take it a step further.“Drivers” at forward like Crosby and Malkin can win the possession battle against the other teams top lines and top pairings WITHOUT having to load up a line.Crosby played with Hornquist and filler (Sheary).Malkin played with Kunitz and filler (Rust).

In the salary cap world every single team has a glaring weakness and for most teams that’s the 3rd pairing.Every team has a Justin Schultz or Roman Polak there trying desperately to shelter.

The Pens won the Cup because they were able to get really good players out against the other teams’ soft underbelly in every series WITHOUT exposing their own underbelly due to the magnificence of Crosby and Malkin (and Letang although we’re talking about forwards).

-Crosby plays with average players and takes 55-60% of possession against Thornton-Pavs- Vlasic- Braun

-Malkin plays with average players and takes 55-60% of possession against Couture-Marleau-Burns-Martin

The key is that they had enough dollars left to load up a monster, in-name-only 3rd line in Kessel-Bonino-Hagelin and they just torched the soft underbelly of every team they faced.


Unicorns gorging the soft underbelly of their prey.

Everyone talks about how great Kessel was but I think that misses the point.The GAME PLAN was brilliant that allowed Kessel to get those matchups against Polak (or Coburn or Chorney or Diaz in the other rounds).

The fantastic news for Oiler fans is that we’re one of only a few teams that could possibly follow that template.

-There is a good chance that by this year, Connor McDavid plus one good winger (Pouliot?) and Klefbom can go up against any line/pairing in the NHL and produce 55-60% of the possession.

-Taylor Hall isn’t Evgeni Malkin but there’s a good chance that with one good center (Nuge) and supported by Tyson Barrie we could produce 55-60% against the second best lines/pairings in the NHL.

-The next key is to create that 3rd line that can destroy Roman Polak.

Maroon-Draisatl-Eberle makes sense and probably costs as much as Kessel-Bonino-Hagelin.They’d be more of a possession line than the speed line of the Pens but I think that could do the trick.

-You then need to replace the other wingers with cheap robots who can support Nuge and McDavid with speed and structure like Rust and Sheary.This means goodbye to Yakupov and Korpikoski.Perhaps you move both to Minnesota for Erik Haula to free up cap space and fill one of the robot slots.

For shits and giggles let’s say Sheary and Rust are Pakarinen and Haula (both Fins) or any number of the 500k-1m, 24-27 year olds that would kill to play alongside McDavid or Hall.

Pouliot- McDavid- Pakarinen
Hall- Nugent-Hopkins- Haula
Maroon- Draisaitl- Eberle
Hendricks (or eq)- Letestu- Kassian

You have the #4 overall for Barrie or similar and sign Demers and move Fayne for cap space.

Kelfbom- Demers
Sekera- Barrie
Davidson- Oesterle
Nurse

Unicorns have always has been the answer.

*stands outside of this posts’ house holding up a boombox playing Howard Jones*

N64 June 23, 2016 - 2:17 pm

Aron_S:
Магия 10,

I realize what I wrote wasn’t super clear, but I’m not sure of the question?

My apologies. I quoted you accidentally. I was commenting about Chia on Oilers Now.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 2:15 pm

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Edit- I did not see TSN. Let me have a look. Sorry if I am wrong. I went off the Gazzola interview where he did not say that.

tsn has same interview as posted earlier (different from the facebook linked interview):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdnLOdQo_Bc

wheatnoil did some transcripts including:

Question: There seems to be this sense that in order for you to fix the blue-line up that maybe some of your high-end forwards would need to be the cost of doing that. Are you getting the sense that you can fix the blue-line without necessarily having to change that core group of a few guys up front?

Chiarelli: There are some situations where I can, I think I can provide a temporary fix that might bridge a gap little bit and I don’t know if that’s the route we want to go. Um, I’d like to have a, to get back to the righty-lefty thing, kind of a solid defender in there that can play a versatile game, that can play in the top 4. Doesn’t mean we’re going to fix it in one fell swoop either. But, you know, I’d to… I’d like to get some permanence to… to kind of the first step in fixing it.

Question: Will that cost you more?

Chiarelli: Yeah, yeah it would cost more.

Aron_S June 23, 2016 - 2:13 pm

Магия 10,

I realize what I wrote wasn’t super clear, but I’m not sure of the question?

I don’t think his plan A is to to move before July 1st (it’s just easiest to have the flurry of activity at the draft, we see it most years). All I was trying to suggest is that he seems to be pretty level headed and a smooth operator when he’s got good information. We used to joke about Tambo 2.0, 3.1 etc, and I hope we might be getting OilersChia 2.0. There were some early mis-steps (Marincin, Korpse, Reinhart), but I feel like his later acquisitions came from a place of good information and chances worth taking (Kassian, Maroon). I’m just really hopeful the GM who made the moves during the year is the one we get, not the mixed results of last draft (although the Talbot trade is full marks).

That’s the narrative I’m hoping for.

Ducey June 23, 2016 - 2:11 pm

So Mark McNeil for David Musil?

Both have stalled out; both have to clear waivers.

McNeil had 81 points in his draft year. Then 71 then 67 in his next two years of junior. He went the wrong way.

He is probably better than most of the Oilers Forwards on the AHL team, but that’s not saying much.

Has not come close to a ppg in 3 AHL seasons. Blech.

Truth June 23, 2016 - 2:08 pm

So far Twitter has front runners for Subban and Lucic as Edmonton and Vancouver. This is good if the Canucks steal Lucic at an absolutely horrendous contract, but extremely bad if Chiarelli matches it. Same goes with trade demands for Subban.

Do not out-Benning Benning, Chiarelli.

Ducey June 23, 2016 - 2:07 pm

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Edit- I did not see TSN. Let me have a look. Sorry if I am wrong. I went off the Gazzola interview where he did not say that.

Yeah, I didn’t watch the Oilers one. I am talking about where he was interviewed by the media first thing this AM. Gregor, Rishaug, Matheson et al.

Centre of attention June 23, 2016 - 2:07 pm

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Edit- I did not see TSN. Let me have a look. Sorry if I am wrong. I went off the Gazzola interview where he did not say that.

Yes, Like I said. Peter has done multiple interviews today. His TSN one was much more in depth. Much more interesting answers too.

Here is the link: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/oilers-willing-to-listen-to-offers-to-move-their-pick~897289

N64 June 23, 2016 - 2:03 pm

RE: Chia on Oilers Now

That old idea that UFA is plan B and too late and you have to move before July 1???

He’s turning that on it’s head. Plan B includes moving the 4th and he’s leaning no, but for the right package, operators are standing by. After that everything from Saturday to end of summer is Plan A.

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) June 23, 2016 - 2:02 pm

Ducey: He stated multiple times he wanted he wanted his group to be made up of L-R

It was very apparent he valued that “balance”.

Edit- I did not see TSN. Let me have a look. Sorry if I am wrong. I went off the Gazzola interview where he did not say that.

knighttown June 23, 2016 - 2:02 pm

Woodguy:
This is key:

If Taylor Hall is traded (and I am not trolling you, this is at least a possible reality) Edmonton has one offensive driver. He is 19. I cannot imagine the Oilers finding anything close to value for Hall on the open market, but there is a chance we see a RHD and RW as part of any potential return.

The Oilers cannot trade Hall and expect to get better unless a very good driver of play Dman is coming back and even then they are just playing whack-a-mole.

Dman hole filled, but now down to one driver up front.

Here are the two forward drivers and one Dman driver for the last 8 (8!) Stanley Cup champs:

Crosby-Malkin-Letang

Toews-Kane (elite scorer more than drives, but so elite it works) – Keith

Kopitar – Carter – Doughty

Bergeron – Horton – Chara

There you go.

The basic triumvirate of the last 8 Cups.

A guy to drive the top 2 lines and a Dman to drive with them.

There’s obviously more needed, but you *must* have the two forwards and 1 Dman or else the rest doesn’t count.

That’s why you want to be the guy trading the 3 to get the 1 Dman back.

That’s you trade the 4th with DrySaddle for that Dman if you have to.

That’s why you move heaven and earth to get that guy without touching Hall or McDavid.

Those guys are impossible to get and the very few times they get traded, its never for another driver coming back.

I think this is bang on but I’d take it a step further. “Drivers” at forward like Crosby and Malkin can win the possession battle against the other teams top lines and top pairings WITHOUT having to load up a line. Crosby played with Hornquist and filler (Sheary). Malkin played with Kunitz and filler (Rust).

In the salary cap world every single team has a glaring weakness and for most teams that’s the 3rd pairing. Every team has a Justin Schultz or Roman Polak there trying desperately to shelter.

The Pens won the Cup because they were able to get really good players out against the other teams’ soft underbelly in every series WITHOUT exposing their own underbelly due to the magnificence of Crosby and Malkin (and Letang although we’re talking about forwards).

-Crosby plays with average players and takes 55-60% of possession against Thornton-Pavs- Vlasic- Braun

-Malkin plays with average players and takes 55-60% of possession against Couture-Marleau-Burns-Martin

The key is that they had enough dollars left to load up a monster, in-name-only 3rd line in Kessel-Bonino-Hagelin and they just torched the soft underbelly of every team they faced.

Unicorns gorging the soft underbelly of their prey.

Everyone talks about how great Kessel was but I think that misses the point. The GAME PLAN was brilliant that allowed Kessel to get those matchups against Polak (or Coburn or Chorney or Diaz in the other rounds).

The fantastic news for Oiler fans is that we’re one of only a few teams that could possibly follow that template.

-There is a good chance that by this year, Connor McDavid plus one good winger (Pouliot?) and Klefbom can go up against any line/pairing in the NHL and produce 55-60% of the possession.

-Taylor Hall isn’t Evgeni Malkin but there’s a good chance that with one good center (Nuge) and supported by Tyson Barrie we could produce 55-60% against the second best lines/pairings in the NHL.

-The next key is to create that 3rd line that can destroy Roman Polak.

Maroon-Draisatl-Eberle makes sense and probably costs as much as Kessel-Bonino-Hagelin. They’d be more of a possession line than the speed line of the Pens but I think that could do the trick.

-You then need to replace the other wingers with cheap robots who can support Nuge and McDavid with speed and structure like Rust and Sheary. This means goodbye to Yakupov and Korpikoski. Perhaps you move both to Minnesota for Erik Haula to free up cap space and fill one of the robot slots.

For shits and giggles let’s say Sheary and Rust are Pakarinen and Haula (both Fins) or any number of the 500k-1m, 24-27 year olds that would kill to play alongside McDavid or Hall.

Pouliot- McDavid- Pakarinen
Hall- Nugent-Hopkins- Haula
Maroon- Draisaitl- Eberle
Hendricks (or eq)- Letestu- Kassian

You have the #4 overall for Barrie or similar and sign Demers and move Fayne for cap space.

Kelfbom- Demers
Sekera- Barrie
Davidson- Oesterle
Nurse

Unicorns have always has been the answer.

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) June 23, 2016 - 2:02 pm

Ducey: He stated multiple times he wanted he wanted his group to be made up of L-R

It was very apparent he valued that “balance”.

I went to the trouble to write out the transcript for you. Unless you are going off another source, he did not say that.

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) June 23, 2016 - 2:01 pm

“Tomorrow has no bearing on it (acquiring a defenseman) unless the pick is involved.”
-Obvious statement but some people seem to forget that sometimes.

“I’ve done the exercise of looking at how many #1 defensemen there are in this league. Maybe there’s 12, maybe there’s 15. You’ve got a shortage of #1D so if you think you’re going to acquire one, it’s a tough task.”

“But we’ve got a lot of good players and a lot of other good assets.”

“If we don’t get it (acquiring a D) done by the draft, we’ve got a lot of time to do it.”
-My interpretation is that he had discussed at least one deal to get a D that involves player vs. player trades without the picks involved. Might that be Hall for Lindholm or something like that? Who knows.

“There are a lot of moving parts going on within our organization and within everybody’s organizations. Everyone knows now what the expansion rules are and what the cap’s going to be.”
-Looks like not knowing some of the expansion stuff was indeed holding up trade talks around the league, and now we are seeing more movement.

“How do you change the culture? Everyone talks about having to move out one of these young players that command a big salary. That may or may not be true.”

“We’ll look at all options.”
–Again, Duh.

“I’d like to get a right D because the righty/lefty thing is important.”
-Gazzola: “You favor that balance?”
“WE CAN WORK WITHOUT IT. WE’VE GOT D ON OUR RADAR THAT ARE LEFT D THAT PLAY THE RIGHT SIDE SO…AND KLEF CAN PLAY RIGHT SIDE.”

On expansion rules:
“It’s something you have to have in the back of your mind. How everyone else will be exposed. How you are exposed. Trying to get an advantage.”
–My take is that this is probably why Chia MAY be a little more reluctant to trade #4 than say, a player that must be protected.

Ducey June 23, 2016 - 2:01 pm

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Except he didn’t “bring up the importance of LD/RD balance.” Gazzola asked him the question and used the word “balance.” The video is up there for people to see. Let’s not create narratives that do not exist.

Note- this is not directed at you, Woodguy, but let’s get things straight here.

He stated multiple times in his morning interview he wanted he wanted his group to be made up of L-R

It was very apparent he valued that “balance”.

Frankly, it couldn’t be clearer.

Centre of attention June 23, 2016 - 2:00 pm

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Except he didn’t “bring up the importance of LD/RD balance.” Gazzola asked him the question and used the word “balance.” The video is up there for people to see. Let’s not create narratives that do not exist.

Note- this is not directed at you, Woodguy, but let’s get things straight here.

He has done multiple interviews today.

TSN interview he was asked specifically about RHD vs LHD.

Here is that interview: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/oilers-willing-to-listen-to-offers-to-move-their-pick~897289

On his CHED hit he was asked slightly different questions.

He did another video with Gazzolla as well which was again slightly different worded questions.

Aron_S June 23, 2016 - 1:55 pm

Woodguy,

So funny that they got that out right before the interview ended. That lands on a good landing strip for me. This process must be so frustrating for him.

What I took from his Behind the B documentary days was that he defers to a team that he trusts and Seguin was traded for a culture reasons. The narrative I’m trying to create here is, “Chia got hosed on Reinhart by listening to his Oilers assistants last year” and “Chia won’t trade Hall because he sees the value in the player.”

There’s just too much, between those comments, the press scrum talk of not being able to land one of the “12 No. 1 D” in the league. I think a couple minor trades come in Saturday after they draft Tkachuk. Yakupov out, McNeill in and a middling top 4 Dman that no one is super excited about, but will scratch the itch until they chase Demers.

PaperDesigner June 23, 2016 - 1:55 pm

Woodguy:
From Chia’s one on one with Bob:

“We have some good players on this team, but I know we haven’t had success but I’m not selling low”

Smart people are smart.

Does he have a choice? I can’t help but think every major asset on the team is depreciated in value, save McDavid. If he trades anything significant, it may be for less value than any of us would want.

Centre of attention June 23, 2016 - 1:55 pm

Chiarelli’s words today were very encouraging.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 1:54 pm

Jethro Tull: Well, stupid is as stupid does, I guess.

So Benning is going to lock up Lucic with 2 more years than anyone else?

Jethro Tull June 23, 2016 - 1:51 pm

Woodguy:
From Chia’s one on one with Bob:

“We have some good players on this team, but I know we haven’t had success but I’m not selling low”

Smart people are smart.

Well, stupid is as stupid does, I guess.

Woodguy June 23, 2016 - 1:48 pm

From Chia’s one on one with Bob:

“We have some good players on this team, but I know we haven’t had success but I’m not selling low”

Smart people are smart.

Jethro Tull June 23, 2016 - 1:47 pm

There’s a lot of ‘purple monkey, dishwasher’ going on at the moment.

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) June 23, 2016 - 1:44 pm

Woodguy: Smart people are smart.

Except he didn’t “bring up the importance of LD/RD balance.” Gazzola asked him the question and used the word “balance.” The video is up there for people to see. Let’s not create narratives that do not exist.

Note- this is not directed at you, Woodguy, but let’s get things straight here.

Woodguy June 23, 2016 - 1:41 pm

Thor762:
Woodguy you must be loving that Chiarelli brought up the importance of LD / RD balance.

Smart people are smart.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 1:40 pm

Chia on Oilers Now.

– Agrees expansion draft might affect acquiring one vs. two D
– Bob: likely to pick at 4. Chia: to be precise > 50%
– Bob: more like to move salary than pick. Chia: reasonable, but not selling low.

That’s all folks. Bob shied away from questions even remotely connected to the ideas he’s been pushing.

Richard S.S. June 23, 2016 - 1:36 pm

Best Player Available should not be the Oilers’ quest early in the Draft. It never has been before. Best Right-Shot Player Available should be, but will it be or even can it be?

Woodguy June 23, 2016 - 1:35 pm

su_dhillon: Would you trade Eberle and the 4th if you got a non 1st rd pick back?

For Lindholm?

In a heartbeat

N64 June 23, 2016 - 1:33 pm

su_dhillon: I think you are on right track. Bob sounds different to me then he did in the Mactavish Tambo days. I’m not sure he has heard anything from the people actually making decisions. I think he hears chatter from scouts some mgmt people but isn’t in on the actual plan.

If he doesn’t know what messes the boss is planning then he’s running his mop up and down the Hall aisle in case their is a need to clean it up tomorrow. 😉

N64 June 23, 2016 - 1:31 pm

Two days ago:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/draft/2016/06/21/nhl-draft-2016-trades-oilers-nugent-hopkins-datsyuk-fleury/86140652/

Oilers acquire a defenseman or two: The Oilers want to remodel their defense using one or two of their forwards as trade bait. Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl are untouchables, and Taylor Hall is close to an untouchable. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Jordan Eberle could move in the right deal. Nail Yakupov could be dealt, but his trade value isn’t strong.

It seems as if the Oilers would prefer to trade veterans, rather than their No. 4 pick, to land a defenseman.

su_dhillon June 23, 2016 - 1:29 pm

Магия 10:
And now he’s talking about Hall or Hopkins. Less chance of Eberle. Or hey maybe 2 Austins.

He’s selling something to the fanbase. But that’s positioning the PR side for the PR worst case.Could just mean the PR side is on their own with zero clue as to where Chia is driving the bus. They have no experience with silence.

I think you are on right track. Bob sounds different to me then he did in the Mactavish Tambo days. I’m not sure he has heard anything from the people actually making decisions. I think he hears chatter from scouts some mgmt people but isn’t in on the actual plan.

Dustylegnd June 23, 2016 - 1:28 pm

A few days ago somebody posted the number of points Hall had involving his D vs other top players like Kane….can somebody re-post those stats????

Jethro Tull June 23, 2016 - 1:26 pm

Магия 10: And now he’s talking about Hall or Hopkins. Less chance of Eberle. Or hey maybe 2 Austins.

I hope it’s an Austin Mini Cooper(Hopkins) rather than an Austin Healy (Hall).

But I’d rather have both in the garage.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 1:25 pm

ashley:
Chia’s press release tells me he’s trying to play the game.I believe he badly wants to trade #4 and Hall, but isn’t happy with what is being offered.The only way to get more in those deals is to have the other side think that you are willing to walk away from the table and scrap all the work that has gone into constructing the existing framework.

Now he waits to see if they call back with a better deal.

I expect Hall and #4OV to be traded if he gets his way.

Any comments today likely relate to something that changes soon. Like the 4th. Or Subban’s NMC.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 1:22 pm

And now he’s talking about Hall or Hopkins. Less chance of Eberle. Or hey maybe 2 Austins.

He’s selling something to the fanbase. But that’s positioning the PR side for the PR worst case. Could just mean the PR side is on their own with zero clue as to where Chia is driving the bus. They have no experience with silence.

ashley June 23, 2016 - 1:17 pm

Chia’s press release tells me he’s trying to play the game. I believe he badly wants to trade #4 and Hall, but isn’t happy with what is being offered. The only way to get more in those deals is to have the other side think that you are willing to walk away from the table and scrap all the work that has gone into constructing the existing framework.

Now he waits to see if they call back with a better deal.

I expect Hall and #4OV to be traded if he gets his way.

Drew June 23, 2016 - 1:15 pm

Jethro Tull: GoT is more believable than some of these ‘insider’ tweets.

LOL

N64 June 23, 2016 - 1:11 pm

square_wheels:
Drew,

No he hasnt lost it. Recall LT indicating the closer we get to the events occurin, the more accurate Stauffer becomes. He’s 100% a mouthpiece for the Oilers.

I’m at the point where there is enough Hall scuttle that he must have asked out, because all other logical reasons for his name to be consistently thrown about are insane.

Chia better god damn well surprise us.

Another possibility is that he saw the 6 million guys NON-quote from Chia and thinks he’s parroting something that Chia did not say.

Drew June 23, 2016 - 1:09 pm

Магия 10: They gave him the HBomb text. Why Hall in a Hamonic deal, but reluctant about Drai? In his answer he said Hall Hamomic deal would be fine with 2 magic beans.But somehow that reasoning does not apply to Drai.

Yes, he goes way off the logic highway. i have sent him a bunch of research WG and G have done suggesting Hall is the real deal and he goes dark. Stauffer has been responding to almost 100% of everything i send him until this. I think he is selling a narrative as well.
not saying our interactions mean jack.

Jethro Tull June 23, 2016 - 1:05 pm

Drew: The more things change the more they stay the same.Looking forward to a rough ride. oh well, Game of Thrones will be fun to watch.

GoT is more believable than some of these ‘insider’ tweets.

Drew June 23, 2016 - 1:03 pm

square_wheels:
Drew,

No he hasnt lost it. Recall LT indicating the closer we get to the events occurin, the more accurate Stauffer becomes. He’s 100% a mouthpiece for the Oilers.

I’m at the point where there is enough Hall scuttle that he must have asked out, because all other logical reasons for his name to be consistently thrown about are insane.

Chia better god damn well surprise us.

The more things change the more they stay the same. Looking forward to a rough ride. oh well, Game of Thrones will be fun to watch.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 1:02 pm

Drew: Not sure that i understand your response? Stauffer seems to be saying that Drai is more important to the Oilers and they will not look at moving him at all, “magic beans proposition” Drai likely will not push the river like Hall ever.

They gave him the HBomb text. Why Hall in a Hamonic deal, but reluctant about Drai? In his answer he said Hall Hamomic deal would be fine with 2 magic beans. But somehow that reasoning does not apply to Drai.

square_wheels June 23, 2016 - 12:58 pm

Drew,

No he hasnt lost it. Recall LT indicating the closer we get to the events occurin, the more accurate Stauffer becomes. He’s 100% a mouthpiece for the Oilers.

I’m at the point where there is enough Hall scuttle that he must have asked out, because all other logical reasons for his name to be consistently thrown about are insane.

Chia better god damn well surprise us.

rickithebear June 23, 2016 - 12:58 pm

I just realized something.
When it comes to EVP/60 Affect on Goals Dif.
The average we need to compare to is All players.

The average EVP/60 for fwd 1-13 and D 1-7
is 1.25 EVP/60. what becomes obvious that by the nature of the position Dmen bring down the GF rate caompared to average. Since they score like #10 fwds getting the puck in fwds hands is critical.

Hamonic: 1st comp; 18.95 EVTOI; 2.02 PK TOI; 1.12 PPTOI
+12 GA Even;
+3 PKGA;
-1 PPGF;
+3 EVGF compared to avg Dmen
-10VGF compared to avg for all players.

Hamonic -13/3.86 = -3.4/M

Drew June 23, 2016 - 12:57 pm

Магия 10: He said on air it’s OK to trade away Hall because offers can be sweetened. Offers for Drai can’t be?????

Not sure that i understand your response? Stauffer seems to be saying that Drai is more important to the Oilers and they will not look at moving him at all, “magic beans proposition” Drai likely will not push the river like Hall ever.

Jethro Tull June 23, 2016 - 12:54 pm

dustrock: Oh sure.Just have this feeling Chiarelli is so close+mouthed he might be targeting someone we haven’t seen coming.

That’s kinda what I’m hoping/leaning toward.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 12:49 pm

Drew: Broken record:
Drai may be a nice player
Hall is already top 10 5X5
why does Staufer keep banging the Drai is more untouchable than Hall
feel like i have no mouth but i must scream!!!

He said on air it’s OK to trade away Hall because offers can be sweetened. Offers for Drai can’t be?????

Drew June 23, 2016 - 12:48 pm

Магия 10:
Woodguy ‏@Woodguy558m8 minutes ago
So @Bob_Stauffer wants to know if you would do a package for Subban that was the #4 + Draisaitl + + . What say you?


Tyler Hupka ‏@HBomb19828m8 minutes ago
Stauffer would consider moving Hall for a Hamonic “package” (unacceptable scenario) but doesn’t want to give up Drai

Can include Hall for Hamonic. Can’t include Drai for bigger game. Say it ain’t so, hatless Bob.

begining to think Stauffer has lost it… must be Hall has asked out. Stauffer is pushing team agenda that Hall is off the island???

dustrock June 23, 2016 - 12:48 pm

Jethro Tull: It’ll pass.It’s just a phase.

Oh sure. Just have this feeling Chiarelli is so close+mouthed he might be targeting someone we haven’t seen coming.

Drew June 23, 2016 - 12:45 pm

stevezie:
The 4th, Drai, and Nurse for Subban? Yes. Definitely. No doubt, no-brainer.

I’d try to get them to take korpse though.

What about Reinhart for Shaw? Chicago needs cheap defenders and is exploring trading Shaw.

Broken record:
Drai may be a nice player
Hall is already top 10 5X5
why does Staufer keep banging the Drai is more untouchable than Hall
feel like i have no mouth but i must scream!!!

stevezie June 23, 2016 - 12:42 pm

The 4th, Drai, and Nurse for Subban? Yes. Definitely. No doubt, no-brainer.

I’d try to get them to take korpse though.

What about Reinhart for Shaw? Chicago needs cheap defenders and is exploring trading Shaw.

Jethro Tull June 23, 2016 - 12:41 pm

dustrock: I have a weird feeling about Pietrangelo for some reason.

It’ll pass. It’s just a phase.

Jethro Tull June 23, 2016 - 12:40 pm

Klima’s_Bucket:
JDï™,

The reason I brought it up is because the Panthers side of things are clamouring for buying low on Yakupov as the Panthers lack wingers to play with Barkov, Bjugstad and Trocheck down the middle.

Purely for Yak’s sake, I hope he gets at least a year’s mentorship from Jagr.

dustrock June 23, 2016 - 12:40 pm

I have a weird feeling about Pietrangelo for some reason.

Haven’t heard a peep.

Klima's_Bucket June 23, 2016 - 12:38 pm

JDï™,

The reason I brought it up is because the Panthers side of things are clamouring for buying low on Yakupov as the Panthers lack wingers to play with Barkov, Bjugstad and Trocheck down the middle.

Jethro Tull June 23, 2016 - 12:36 pm

Магия 10:
Woodguy ‏@Woodguy558m8 minutes ago
So @Bob_Stauffer wants to know if you would do a package for Subban that was the #4 + Draisaitl + + . What say you?

Tyler Hupka ‏@HBomb19828m8 minutes ago
Stauffer would consider moving Hall for a Hamonic “package” (unacceptable scenario) but doesn’t want to give up Drai

1) Yep.

2) Nope.

Remember everybody, the golden rule: Who ever gets the best player, wins the deal.

Klima's_Bucket June 23, 2016 - 12:35 pm

The deal the Panthers made was trading Grimaldi for Reto Berra.
So, the Yakupov to Florida rumours could still be alive.

JD_Wry June 23, 2016 - 12:35 pm

Klima’s_Bucket: @FlaPanthers are up to something….stay tuned.

We’ve all been waiting for that Reto Berra trade…

N64 June 23, 2016 - 12:33 pm

Woodguy ‏@Woodguy55 8m8 minutes ago
So @Bob_Stauffer wants to know if you would do a package for Subban that was the #4 + Draisaitl + + . What say you?

Tyler Hupka ‏@HBomb1982 8m8 minutes ago
Stauffer would consider moving Hall for a Hamonic “package” (unacceptable scenario) but doesn’t want to give up Drai

Can include Hall for Hamonic. Can’t include Drai for bigger game. Say it ain’t so, hatless Bob.

Professor Q June 23, 2016 - 12:30 pm

Thor762,

I still think losing all those assets, despite how good Subban is, would set us further back than put us forward.

Cost would be greater than assets retained. Draisaitl is what we’ve been waiting for at C and is for the moment at a good cost. #4OV helps out with our dire forward depth (possibly).

Chicken Laser June 23, 2016 - 12:29 pm

square_wheels:
NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

The only injury risk to Lucic is knees and ankles or possibly eyes.

The reason he dominates possession is he is quite possible the strongest guy in the league, so back to Kingers point– he is likely to play all season for a long time baring freak injury or his back condition getting worse.

Yes! This is the first time I’ve heard mention of his back disease. I have this disease and I can’t say it’s not a factor! My hockey expiry date came very suddenly. On the other hand, it affects everyone differently and he’s an elite athlete and there’s a chance it never has an effect on him. Just sayin’

Obiwan Eberle June 23, 2016 - 12:28 pm

Nuge, Yak, 4th and Fayne for PK, McCarron and 2nd rounder

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) June 23, 2016 - 12:27 pm

Ducey: Agreed.

Maybe I missed some discussion but why are people down on signing Lucic?

Is it just because the average fan that you are all smarter than likes him? Because he is tough and reminds you of the guy who wedgied you in high school? ?

Because when I look at the stats he was 2nd on LA in 5 on 5 points, 4th on LA in overall points (with 54 – this would be 2nd on the Oilers) and points per 60. And he was 2nd in CF% on LA.

And he is only 28 and can pretty much wedgie anyone in the league.Seems exactly what the Oilers need to increase their ability to control the game.

Why the angst?

It is because spending free agent dollars on the Oilers’ greatest strength, LW means either 1) there isn’t as much money left to fix the D or 2) perhaps a favourite son is being traded away.

I think angst is justified. It’s called being worried. That said, until Chia makes a move we know nothing. It is like worrying about the weather next week. The forecast could change a lot.

Professor Q June 23, 2016 - 12:27 pm

Bruce McCurdy,

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

Thank you, my friends. I wish you all have good days as well. Keep strong, and support family as much as you can until the end.

Thor762 June 23, 2016 - 12:26 pm

Professor Q,

I do that deal in half a hummingbird’s heartbeat.

Like Woodguy said previously, Hall driving one line, McDavid driving another, and Subban behind them both.

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) June 23, 2016 - 12:24 pm

jonrmcleod,

That was quick. And yes, caught that comment from Chia, too. If people think Klef can be a #1 and Chia thinks he can play right side then maybe getting a lefty #2 is not the end of the world.

Professor Q June 23, 2016 - 12:23 pm

pocession charge: Svechnikov is not a defenceman and plays in the QMJHL.

With Dubois, of all players…

Professor Q June 23, 2016 - 12:22 pm

I honestly don’t know how I feel about Draisaitl, #4OV, Fayne, and another for just Subban…

jonrmcleod June 23, 2016 - 12:13 pm

SPAM ALERT

I wrote about the difficulty of acquiring an elite defenceman. (Probably no one will agree with my list of elite D.) Where are they drafted? Are they ever acquired via a trade or free agency?

http://www.theoilersrig.com/2016/06/team-acquire-elite-defenceman/

Ducey June 23, 2016 - 12:12 pm

LoDog: Who agrees? Lucic has shown no signs of slowing down and for all the talk of wear and tear hardly misses any games and is only 28. They can keep Hall and sign Lucic.

Agreed.

Maybe I missed some discussion but why are people down on signing Lucic?

Is it just because the average fan that you are all smarter than likes him? Because he is tough and reminds you of the guy who wedgied you in high school? 🙂

Because when I look at the stats he was 2nd on LA in 5 on 5 points, 4th on LA in overall points (with 54 – this would be 2nd on the Oilers) and points per 60. And he was 2nd in CF% on LA.

And he is only 28 and can pretty much wedgie anyone in the league. Seems exactly what the Oilers need to increase their ability to control the game.

Why the angst?

semi legendary rot lobster June 23, 2016 - 12:11 pm

if woo guy is right and u need three wheel drive 2o 1d

if trade hall for 1d you go from 2o to 1o 1d. then u need dry or nug or pick#4 to become o driver but fast

unlikely

but will any combo of non hall or mcd pieces be enuf to get 1d?

unlikely

sucks to be oiler fan 🙁

N64 June 23, 2016 - 12:10 pm

Richard S.S.:
wheatnoil,

What you are/were listening to is also available on the Oilers’ App.

It’s also on the main page now. Earlier there was a only a twitter link to nowhere.

Material Elvis June 23, 2016 - 12:10 pm

Woogie63:
If you accept the top three players picked in 2016 are all coming from Europe and the OHL is the best amateur development league in the world, we might look at the number four draft position different, he is the best forward from the best development league in the world.

OHL only – mileage may vary
Year – “Best Dman” – “Best Forward”

2015 – Svechnikov(19) – McDavid (1)
2014 – Ekbald (1) – Bennett (4)
2013 – Nurse (7) – Monahan (6)
2012 – Maata (22) – Yakupov (1)
2011 – Hamilton (9) – Landeskog (2)
2010 – Fowler (12) – Seguin (2)
2009 – Ellis (11) – Tavares (1)
2008 – Doughty (2) – Stamkos (1)
2007 – Subban (43) – Kane (1)
2006- Weber (57) – J. Staal (3)
2005 – Niskanen (28) – Neal (33)/Ryan (2)

EKbald and Doughty righty attracted a top pick, but the balance of the “best” OHL dman show-up later in the draft.

Look at all that quality on the “best” forward list.

take MT?

Svechnikov is not a defenceman and plays in the QMJHL.

Klima's_Bucket June 23, 2016 - 12:09 pm

@GeorgeRichards
@FlaPanthers are up to something….stay tuned.

Yakupov to the Cats????

N64 June 23, 2016 - 12:08 pm

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: And everyone thinks this has to happen tomorrow but that is arbitrary. The only way tomorrow is a deadline is if the pick is involved.-summarized.

Makes me think he is looking at least one player for player trade that doesn not involve 2016 picks.

Yes. He flat out said if there is an immediate move it involves the pick. After that I’d think major assets usually move after the UFA market is in motion rather than before.

Richard S.S. June 23, 2016 - 12:07 pm

wheatnoil,

What you are/were listening to is also available on the Oilers’ App.

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) June 23, 2016 - 12:04 pm

Магия 10: Yes, And he’s still leaning to the perm fix. Top flight and right handed. That will require more patience, not less. A Hall 1 for 3 should not fit his frame. We wait.

And everyone thinks this has to happen tomorrow but that is arbitrary. The only way tomorrow is a deadline is if the pick is involved.-summarized.

Makes me think he is looking at least one player for player trade that doesn not involve 2016 picks.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 11:57 am

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: He would like to get a righty but because cost is high for a permanent solution he is also looking at left D that play right side as an option.

Yes, And he’s still leaning to the perm fix. Top flight and right handed. That will require more patience, not less. A Hall 1 for 3 should not fit his frame. We wait.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 11:55 am

LMHF#1: Hall, Hopkins, Nurse, 4th for Subban and Galchenyuk.

Subban can have his NMC on July 1 for that cost.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 11:54 am

Still crickets on Lindholm signing. He might be an RFA, but he has all the cards if this goes to July 1. Anaheim would have to match a premium offer sheet or do an offer sheet deal for something better than offer sheet compensation. If this goes that far lots of ways to be the best white knight w/o offering Hall.

Thor762 June 23, 2016 - 11:53 am

Woodguy you must be loving that Chiarelli brought up the importance of LD / RD balance.

Bag of Pucks June 23, 2016 - 11:52 am

Given the blood clot situation, a Stamkos FA signing has to come with a big ‘buyer beware’ sticker imo.

LMHF#1 June 23, 2016 - 11:50 am

Jon K:
If Subban is going to move, we should assume that Montreal is looking for a deal that addresses several areas of need. They’d be taking the 3 in the classic 3-for-1. They’d probably also insist on the 4th overall to select Dubois. The areas of need? First line centre, first pair defenceman times two.

Hall actually doesn’t fit those needs and isn’t really a great fit in that sense. Especially since, as others have noted, captain Pacioretty is also a scoring LW. That being said, could still see something framed around:

RNH, 4th pick, Klefbom, Yakupov for Subban, Eller, the 9th.

The salaries essentially even out, Montreal only takes on one extra contract, and perhaps they turn around and sign Demers to have a new Klefbom-Demers top pairing that costs about the same as PK alone.

Hall, Hopkins, Nurse, 4th for Subban and Galchenyuk.

What do they want Eller for?

Galchenyuk could save the Yakupov pick and would be like adding another player to the deal.

I’m likely overpaying but assuming they value Galchenyuk highly. Might be able to get #9 out of MTL, or an additional prospect.

I get the goal of not trading Hall. Don’t think they value Hopkins highly enough to accept as the main piece for Subban.

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) June 23, 2016 - 11:49 am

Магия 10: Thanks for transcribing. In the Facebook video he also drags in lefty righty. For permanent fix he’s looking for top flight right side.

He would like to get a righty but because cost is high for a permanent solution he is also looking at left D that play right side as an option. Or Klef maybe can switch.

so if we expand the list to lefty D who can play right who do we get? Brodin…Hjalmarsson….

LoDog June 23, 2016 - 11:49 am

square_wheels:
LoDog,

I think Lucic will be this generations Jagr as long as his back doesn’t undermine him. He’s nearly impossible to hurt.

Yup, the guy is a machine. If you can trade Pouliot and sign him for 6X6 I do it all day long.

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) June 23, 2016 - 11:47 am

Yup, as I watched the interview live and was seeing these tweets I thought where the fuck are they getting that from?

N64 June 23, 2016 - 11:47 am

wheatnoil:
Chiarelli: There’s some talented players on our team. There’s been a lot of calls and… *pause*… the one thing is that you have be aware… I mean they undervalue… like, I mean, I think if you asked every GM they always say ‘the deals aren’t good enough, the deals aren’t good enough, they don’t truly appreciate your players’ and I could say the same thing right now but… *shrugs* … that’s a common refrain from GMs, so they’re probably the same thing.

LOL

N64 June 23, 2016 - 11:46 am

wheatnoil:
Question: There seems to be this sense that in order for you to fix the blue-line up that maybe some of your high-end forwards would need to be the cost of doing that. Are you getting the sense that you can fix the blue-line without necessarily having to change that core group of a few guys up front?

Chiarelli: There are some situations where I can, I think I can provide a temporary fix that might bridge a gap little bit and I don’t know if that’s the route we want to go. Um, I’d like to have a, to get back to the righty-lefty thing, kind of a solid defender in there that can play a versatile game, that can play in the top 4. Doesn’t mean we’re going to fix it in one fell swoop either. But, you know, I’d to… I’d like to get some permanence to… to kind of the first step in fixing it.

Question: Will that cost you more?

Chiarelli: Yeah, yeah it would cost more.

Thanks for transcribing. In the Facebook video he also drags in lefty righty. For permanent fix he’s looking for top flight right side.

wheatnoil June 23, 2016 - 11:46 am

Chiarelli (on a back-up for Talbot): I think Brossoit will challenge and, uh, we may look to add someone else to challenge.

wheatnoil June 23, 2016 - 11:44 am

Chiarelli: There’s some talented players on our team. There’s been a lot of calls and… *pause*… the one thing is that you have be aware… I mean they undervalue… like, I mean, I think if you asked every GM they always say ‘the deals aren’t good enough, the deals aren’t good enough, they don’t truly appreciate your players’ and I could say the same thing right now but… *shrugs* … that’s a common refrain from GMs, so they’re probably the same thing.

Jon K June 23, 2016 - 11:44 am

If Subban is going to move, we should assume that Montreal is looking for a deal that addresses several areas of need. They’d be taking the 3 in the classic 3-for-1. They’d probably also insist on the 4th overall to select Dubois. The areas of need? First line centre, first pair defenceman times two.

Hall actually doesn’t fit those needs and isn’t really a great fit in that sense. Especially since, as others have noted, captain Pacioretty is also a scoring LW. That being said, could still see something framed around:

RNH, 4th pick, Klefbom, Yakupov for Subban, Eller, the 9th.

The salaries essentially even out, Montreal only takes on one extra contract, and perhaps they turn around and sign Demers to have a new Klefbom-Demers top pairing that costs about the same as PK alone.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 11:40 am

Time to bury Hall for Hamonic.

Frank SeravalliVerified account
‏@frank_seravalli
Chiarelli says there’s maybe only 12 true No. 1 defencemen in the league, how hard it is to get one. He believes this draft only has No. 2s.

Looking at the Norris Subban is one. Lindholm can be projected as very close. Hamonic? That’s a wee streeeeeeeeeeeetch.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/2016-nhl-awards-complete-list-winners/

Pts. 1st-2nd-3rd-4th-5th
1. Drew Doughty, LAK 1254 (93-37-10-4-3)
2. Erik Karlsson, OTT 1020 (46-54-27-14-5)
3. Brent Burns, SJS 619 (3-26-54-43-8)
4. Kris Letang, PIT 587 (8-24-40-40-19)
5. Roman Josi, NSH 120 (0-1-6-17-32)
6. John Klingberg, DAL 63 (0-2-2-6-21)
7. Victor Hedman, TBL 62 (0-2-3-6-15)
8. Ryan Suter, MIN 53 (0-1-3-7-10)
9. Oliver Ekman-Larsson, ARI 30 (0-0-2-2-14)
10. Shea Weber, NSH 27 (0-1-1-4-3)
11. Duncan Keith, CHI 21 (0-1-1-1-6)
12. Dustin Byfuglien, WPG 8 (0-0-0-1-5)
13. Mark Giordano, CGY 7 (0-1-0-0-0)
14. P.K. Subban, MTL 6 (0-0-0-2-0)
15. Ryan McDonagh, NYR 5 (0-0-1-0-0)
16. Aaron Ekblad, FLA 4 (0-0-0-0-4)
17. Brian Campbell, FLA 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
Shayne Gostisbehere, PHI 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
Hampus Lindholm, ANA 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
20. Francois Beauchemin, COL 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Jake Muzzin, LAK 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Brent Seabrook, CHI 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Anton Stralman, TBL 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Marc-Edouard Vlasic, SJS 1 (0-0-0-0-1)

RumBurgundy June 23, 2016 - 11:38 am

Магия 10,

Yes that makes sense. No guarantee that a 3 for 1 the other way will be available to you in the future. I got focused on the limited #1 D options available now.

wheatnoil June 23, 2016 - 11:35 am

Question: There seems to be this sense that in order for you to fix the blue-line up that maybe some of your high-end forwards would need to be the cost of doing that. Are you getting the sense that you can fix the blue-line without necessarily having to change that core group of a few guys up front?

Chiarelli: There are some situations where I can, I think I can provide a temporary fix that might bridge a gap little bit and I don’t know if that’s the route we want to go. Um, I’d like to have a, to get back to the righty-lefty thing, kind of a solid defender in there that can play a versatile game, that can play in the top 4. Doesn’t mean we’re going to fix it in one fell swoop either. But, you know, I’d to… I’d like to get some permanence to… to kind of the first step in fixing it.

Question: Will that cost you more?

Chiarelli: Yeah, yeah it would cost more.

Generational Poster June 23, 2016 - 11:33 am

PaperDesigner: Why would we have to move down eleven spots? I wouldn’t do that deal if it was Nugent-Hopkins straight up for the pick, Coyle and Spurgeon. Unless I am badly mistaken, Spurgeon is not a bona fide top pairing defenceman.

Thanks for replying

It’s completely possible that this is an overpay, but I was trying to be careful not to be biased in the Oilers favor like many of the fantasy proposals I see.

I’d say Spurgeon rates pretty well by both the math and the eye (to me). I think he is a pretty decent #2. I think Klefbom-Spurgeon and Davidson-Severson would be awesome pairings.

Also, I am admittedly a Coyle fan (he always seems to show up against EDM 🙂

N64 June 23, 2016 - 11:29 am

JDï™: You have to be in it for the long Hall.

Thanks, Geno.

godot10 June 23, 2016 - 11:28 am

Bad Seed:
Been thinking about that Vatanen deal – 4.875M.Lindholm and Vatenen both were RFAs but Anaheim chose to sign Vatenen first for a significant amount.If Lindholm is much more valuable, why sign Vatanen first which would drive up Lindholm’s ask?Fowler is cost controlled and we know Anaheim has that internal cap.So, I’m thinking that Lindholm may be available.Drysaddle would be an obvious successor to Getzlaf there – I’d bet Drysaddle plus 4th would get it done.Both cost controlled for immediate future.Maybe that’s too much?

Vatanen was more urgent, because Anaheim will match an offer sheet for Lindholm, but were less inclined to match an offer sheet for Vatanen.

Getting Vatanen signed also opens up the option to trade Fowler, and keep the right shot Vatanen.

JD_Wry June 23, 2016 - 11:28 am

wheatnoil: Thanks for the link.

+1

And there’s one thing that listening or tweeting his quotes won’t convey – Chiarelli’s cookie duster is a metaphor for building a hockey team. You have to be in it for the long Hall.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 11:24 am

RumBurgundy: you would still have assets (Tkachuk, Nuge, LD prospects) to go big game hunting for a true #1 defensemen in the future.

If you aren’t bringing in your true 1D driver and you are sending out a true forward driver, you are doing it wrong. You have Tkachuk, Nuge, LD prospects etc. to pick from to aquire something less than true 1D now.

wheatnoil June 23, 2016 - 11:22 am

Магия 10:
Tracked down the twitter quotes. They actual interview does not match Seravill’s money quote.

Frank Seravalli ‏@frank_seravalli1h1 hour ago
Chiarelli says he can provide temp fix for #Oilers D w/o moving $6M fwd, but “I don’t know if that’s the route we’ll take.” Wants permanence

Check out7:30-8:45 from:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdnLOdQo_Bc

The question is about core forwards, which could include Drai and Pouliot. He does say that he’d rather do what provides a perm fix, but he also immediately bounces off of perm vs temp to refer back to his earlier remarks about bringing in LD vs. RD.

Unless there’s a third interview the twitter quote is off the mark,

Thanks for the link. I’m listening now. The quotes from the tweets don’t always reflect the nuance.

square_wheels June 23, 2016 - 11:19 am

LoDog,

I think Lucic will be this generations Jagr as long as his back doesn’t undermine him. He’s nearly impossible to hurt.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 11:15 am

Tracked down the twitter quotes. They actual interview does not match Seravill’s money quote.

Frank Seravalli ‏@frank_seravalli 1h1 hour ago
Chiarelli says he can provide temp fix for #Oilers D w/o moving $6M fwd, but “I don’t know if that’s the route we’ll take.” Wants permanence

Check out 7:30-8:45 from:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdnLOdQo_Bc

The question is about core forwards, which could include Drai and Pouliot. He does say that he’d rather do what provides a perm fix, but he also immediately frames perm vs temp as also referring back to his earlier remarks about bringing in LD vs. RD.

Unless there’s a third interview the twitter quote is providing too much translation. Not like that’s ever happened before.

Two other things in that interview:

If a big D comes in before Sat the 4th will be going out. Any other way the D comes in that’s after the draft or after the 1st.

Also he says he can’t talk to Lucic before Sat. He’s ignoring the offer from Kings to start before then.

Jethro Tull June 23, 2016 - 11:12 am

russ99:
Jethro Tull,

Chia has been there and done that, and an equally tough hockey media/fan town in Boston. Not any comparison with MacT whatsoever.

He’s made tougher trades in his fantasy leagues than MacT did.

Er, yes, there is a comparison, because I made one.

You can still compare apples to oranges.

MacT was loose lipped. Chia is not. There is one comparison put very simply.

RumBurgundy June 23, 2016 - 11:12 am

Is there any chance Stamkos would sign in Edmonton? He would be our second driver up front if we move Hall. Would dealing Hall for Hamonic + (Strome and #19 say) be acceptable then? Value contracts on your top top pairing of Klefbom + Hamonic (<8M for the pair) frees up a lot of cap space to get creative elsewhere. I think this lineup would be under the cap this season and you would still have assets (Tkachuk, Nuge, LD prospects) to go big game hunting for a true #1 defensemen in the future.

Pouliot – McDavid – Eberle
Drai – Stamkos – Strome
Maroon – Nuge – Kassian
Hendricks – Letestu – Pak

Klembom – Hamonic
Sekera – Demers
Davidson – Gryba

LoDog June 23, 2016 - 11:10 am

GBandQ:
square_wheels,

clearly i’m wishing our most hated rival take on an albatross contract for a player we agree will only decline during its duration. And we keep Taylor Hall. never said a peep about Ben Bishop.

Who agrees? Lucic has shown no signs of slowing down and for all the talk of wear and tear hardly misses any games and is only 28. They can keep Hall and sign Lucic.

square_wheels June 23, 2016 - 11:10 am

GBandQ,

Even if it’s an albatross contract, that’s 4 years of playing against him way too much for my liking, on a team that is really just an elite goalie away from being a huge pain in our playoff aspiration ass.

I brought up Bishop because the real wish on them should be players with fat contracts AND are grossly over-rated ( like Fleury).

Besides I don’t think my home town Flames are in the mix for a 6M player with what they have coming for their youngsters and Brodie.

All good GBANDQ.

PaperDesigner June 23, 2016 - 11:08 am

Generational Poster:
Curious to know value wise if people think RNH +4th + Reinhart for Spurgeon + Coyle +15th is workable for both sides?Oilers maybe then target Bean / McAvoy / Fabbro at 15?

I hate to lose RNH but I think he has more quite a bit more value than Eberle in trade and is more replaceable than Hall.

If the Oilers swung that deal and then dealt Yakupov + 32 for Severson…

Pou – McDavid – Eberle
Hall – Drai– Value FA
Maroon – Coyle – Pak / Kassian
Hendo – Letestu – Pak / Kassian

Klef-Spurgeon
Sekera-Fayne
Davidson-Severson

Why would we have to move down eleven spots? I wouldn’t do that deal if it was Nugent-Hopkins straight up for the pick, Coyle and Spurgeon. Unless I am badly mistaken, Spurgeon is not a bona fide top pairing defenceman.

who June 23, 2016 - 11:06 am

Caramel Batman: It’s possible to succeed in spite of yourself. That’s what those Quebec trades tell us.

A Hall for Hamonic + spare parts deal (which is what we are staring down here) + signing Lucic may indeed in some way result in an improved team in the short term and it could also be a dreadful, doom and gloom, trade.The two are not mutually exclusive and the counter factual is not doing nothing.

I’ve gotten to the point where I am actively hoping for a trade I may disllike rather than a trade I hate.I’d rather overpay for Subban, for instance, than the Hamonic nonsense.

Hall + Nurse + Korpikoski for Subban, is better than Hall for Hamonic + Strome + pick.

I disagree. The Subban deal has too many assets going out and too expensive a player coming back. I think a fair trade for Subban would be Hall and 4OV for Subban and 9OV, especially when you consider the difference in salaries. Some of you people are overvaluing Subban more than you overvalue Hall. Didn’t think that was possible.
And what is a driver. Are you guys using fancy stats to determine this or what. In my mind a driver is someone who carries the play, especially from his own end into the offensive zone. This whole narrative that if you trade Hall you only have one line that can score is nuts. Both Nuge and Drai are capable of carrying, or moving, the puck from their zone to the oppositions. Hall does not corner the market on this skill. In fact most offensive drivers are centers, the notable exception is Patrick Kane. But I would argue that Kane is used as a center to carry the puck through the neural ice. The Hawks just don’t burden him with any defensive responsibility in his own end.
My point is that the Oilers have other forwards who can carry the play if they do in fact trade Hall.

Generational Poster June 23, 2016 - 11:03 am

Curious to know value wise if people think RNH +4th + Reinhart for Spurgeon + Coyle +15th is workable for both sides? Oilers maybe then target Bean / McAvoy / Fabbro at 15?

I hate to lose RNH but I think he has more quite a bit more value than Eberle in trade and is more replaceable than Hall.

If the Oilers swung that deal and then dealt Yakupov + 32 for Severson…

Pou – McDavid – Eberle
Hall – Drai – Value FA
Maroon – Coyle – Pak / Kassian
Hendo – Letestu – Pak / Kassian

Klef-Spurgeon
Sekera-Fayne
Davidson-Severson

GB&Q June 23, 2016 - 11:02 am

square_wheels,

clearly i’m wishing our most hated rival take on an albatross contract for a player we agree will only decline during its duration. And we keep Taylor Hall. never said a peep about Ben Bishop.

russ99 June 23, 2016 - 11:00 am

Jethro Tull,

Chia has been there and done that, and an equally tough hockey media/fan town in Boston. Not any comparison with MacT whatsoever.

He’s made tougher trades in his fantasy leagues than MacT did.

russ99 June 23, 2016 - 10:58 am

Ducey: Huh?

It was not an accident. He called the press conference on purpose. An experienced GM using the press to his advantage.

Yup. This is a signal to the other GM’s , “you aren’t offering me enough”.

Bodes well for something getting done.

Jethro Tull June 23, 2016 - 10:54 am

Ducey: Huh?

It was not an accident. He called the press conference on purpose. An experienced GM using the press to his advantage.

Is it such a leap to suspect he called one out of sufferance? He plays his cards close to his cheat, but this is the time of year when he’s expected to be the main guy in the spotlight for the Oilers, as opposed to the playing season where it’s usually a player doing good or bad.

For a guy that doesn’t seem to like telling people what he knows, having to throw the media bone shaped bones would be horrible. He can’t outright lie, nor does he want to give anything away.

See McGarrelous, Craig

N64 June 23, 2016 - 10:53 am

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”: Right? That’s what I thought.

The one NEW item that came was that he is also looking at some lefthanded D that play the right side. And also hinted Klefbom could maybe move over.

Anyone else catch that?

Yes, Made me wonder if the temp vs. perm was about LHD vs. RHD instead of the Austins. Very strange for him to say it’s not about the Austins and have it come out as he prefers the perm solutions that involve an Austin.

If that’s the only interview, I do not understand the twitter quotes. But the twitter link is private, which is even stranger.

Found the working youtube link from the general avail. watching it now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdnLOdQo_Bc

Drew June 23, 2016 - 10:53 am

Ducey:
Why does signing Lucic mean trading Hall?

I swear some of you guys actually make up things to worry about

Keep Hall, sign Lucic and trade Pouliot.

Lucic will likely get around $6 M.

Trading Pouliot and Yak gets rid of $6.5 M

Trade those two for Severson, sign Demers, get a backup goalie. You still have around $5 Million left over.

Giddy-up!

we are a worst case is most likely case crowd, really? there are ten years of abuse of course the sky will always be falling.

we have ten years of it landing on our heads.

square_wheels June 23, 2016 - 10:51 am

GBandQ,

Wishing Lucic on the Flames is almost as bad as wishing that they land Bishop and resign him for 3 years.

Calgary doesn’t need an elite possession player or an elite goalie – please/thanks.

Ducey June 23, 2016 - 10:49 am

Jethro Tull: Must be killing a guy like Chia, who’s been tight lipped.We must have had more tweets about him this morning than the rest of the year combined.

Huh?

It was not an accident. He called the press conference on purpose. An experienced GM using the press to his advantage.

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) June 23, 2016 - 10:49 am

Магия 10: Watched it. Refers to identifying top D and says perhaps 12 or 15 in the league. That clip does not refer directly to perm fixes requiring the Austins. There is a gap where you don’t get the question and the answers begins by referring to the 4 pieces that get talked about (Austins+4OV?, Austins+Drai?).

He says he is looking at options that include and exclude those. He says that it’s natural that some focus solely on the young stars because of the bad season, but that is not his framing. If all the quotes come from that session, very strange editing or parsing.

Right? That’s what I thought.

The one NEW item that came was that he is also looking at some lefthanded D that play the right side. And also hinted Klefbom could maybe move over.

Anyone else catch that?

GB&Q June 23, 2016 - 10:47 am

from Twitter:

Chris Nichols ‏@NicholsOnHockey 8m8 minutes ago
Dreger, asked if #Flames will go for Lucic: “Yeah, they might. He’s certainly that prototypical Brian Burke, Brad Treliving type of player.”

yes please! save us from ourselves, Treliving!

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) June 23, 2016 - 10:46 am

Professor Q,

Take care, sir. Best wishes to you and your family.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 10:44 am

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
The Oilers posted full video of the Chia comments FYI. I got an alert on FB and watched it.

Watched it. Refers to identifying top D and says perhaps 12 or 15 in the league. That clip does not refer directly to perm fixes requiring the Austins. There is a gap where you don’t get the question and the answers begins by referring to the 4 pieces that get talked about (Austins+4OV?, Austins+Drai?).

He says he is looking at options that include and exclude those. He says that it’s natural that some focus solely on the young stars because of the bad season, but that is not his framing. If all the quotes come from that session, very strange editing or parsing.

update: also wierd. oilers tweeted out a link to a private video of Chia with restricted access.

Chachi June 23, 2016 - 10:41 am

judgedrude:
Regarding Dr. Drai……what terms are used for him to be exposed at the expansion draft?He did play 10 games in year 1 (counting as removing a season from his ELC), but not enough (the 39 games) to count against years of FA eligibility.Anyone can point to the terms of this subtlety?

From the expansion draft rules on NHL.com:

“All first- and second-year professionals, as well as all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward their club’s applicable protection limits).”

They do not talk about FA eligibility years just a reference to “professionals”. Drai was played to play hockey in his first ELC year therefore he was a “professional” that year and will have to be protected in the expansion draft. If they had just left him in junior where he belonged, no problem.

square_wheels June 23, 2016 - 10:39 am

Chachi,

Wait until you’re 40 ! Although what I found is after those few critical years where your body is changing but your brain still thinks you’re 27, you can really optimize your body in the late 30’s and well into your 40s.

I cycle way more than is normal, and most of the dominant mountain riders I know are well into their 30’s through 50’s. Roadies are even more likely to be elite in their late 30’s.

Flexibility, training adaptions and nutrition are evolving – just wait until stem cell injections become main stream, Jagr won’t be the only guy playing at his age.

And if you want to see how the games elite train follow Duncan Keith and Toews on Twitter.

DRFNsuperstar June 23, 2016 - 10:38 am

Or go with the Penguins cup template:

Hall-Nuge-Ebs
Lucic-Mcdavid-Pouliot
Maroon-Drai-Kassian
Plugs

Klefbom-Demers
Sekera-Severson
Davidson-Redmond

All I traded was Fayne and Yak for Severson. Plus signed Demers for something less than Goligoski.

Also, sweet lord that Yandle contract is the worst thing I have seen since Clarkson. How do they sign that AFTER Goligoski signed his beauty contract. A first pair UFA lefty signed for 3 less years and a million less per year than a third poring powerplay specialist!

su_dhillon June 23, 2016 - 10:33 am

One thing about finding a linemate for McDavid. To me one of the biggest advantages to having a guy like McDavid in a hard cap is that he allows you to find cheaper wingers to play with him even if they have some warts because he will elevate them. Im not sure I would be looking for Mcdavid wingers in the 6-7 mil range.

As long as they find guys that have some offensive skills and can think the game he should be able to make guys in the 2-4 million range look better than they are and you still have the other 1st rd guys on team to slide in and out and play with on PP.

Yak did fine with 97 and 97 did fine with yak. I would find cheaper solutions for McDavids wings and allocate those dollars elsewhere on roster.

judgedrude June 23, 2016 - 10:32 am

Regarding Dr. Drai……what terms are used for him to be exposed at the expansion draft? He did play 10 games in year 1 (counting as removing a season from his ELC), but not enough (the 39 games) to count against years of FA eligibility. Anyone can point to the terms of this subtlety?

John Chambers June 23, 2016 - 10:31 am

Bruce McCurdy: Is the goal to win the Cup within two years?

Isn’t the goal to win every year?

McDavid’s ELC is as good as any timeframe to contend.

If somehow we ended last season with a defense of:
Sekara – Hamonic
Klefbom – Petry
Davidson

And has a healthier roster especially McDavid, I see no reason why the Oilers wouldn’t have been a payoff team, and a difficult one to play against.

A short-term overpay for a UFA during McDavid’s ELC would be a crucial add.

TeeVee June 23, 2016 - 10:28 am

Woodguy:
Jack Michaels ‏@EdmontonJack13m13 minutes ago
Chiarelli says some talks haven’t included major asset going the other way for ‘D’ but sees that as stopgap & not inclined to go that route.

Frank Seravalli ‏@frank_seravalli11m11 minutes ago
Chiarelli says he can provide temp fix for #Oilers D w/o moving $6M fwd, but “I don’t know if that’s the route we’ll take.” Wants permanence

This makes me feel good.

Sounds like Shattenkirk.

Bruce McCurdy June 23, 2016 - 10:25 am

Professor Q,

Best wishes to you & family, Prof.

Chachi June 23, 2016 - 10:23 am

square_wheels:
NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

Agree. But I wasn’t comparing him to Hall, just that his past health is a good predictor of his future with just the caveat of his medical condition. From personal experience, the early 30’s is when your body usually says Fuck You for all the wear and tear so banking on Lucic post year 4 could be a risk.

However, the NHL has a notoriously shitty performance enhancing drug regime – get those boys on the “clear”.

After turning 30 I have literally hurt myself in my sleep multiple times and I do not have large men chasing me and trying to hurt me at work every day (well not usually anyway). Getting older sucks.

N64 June 23, 2016 - 10:22 am

Jethro Tull: Chiarelli says there’s maybe only 12 true No. 1 defencemen in the league

WOODGUY,

If you made your own list of 12 who would be on it? And specifically which of the targets you’ve been looking at make that list.

su_dhillon June 23, 2016 - 10:21 am

kinger_OIL: – Ebs and the 4rth has to worth a sh%-ton in a trade for D doesn’t it?

I would hope so but I have no idea what is going on anymore. Yandle gets 7 years at top dollar and they’re are people who think Hall for Hamonick is reasonable. I may be punch drunk. But I also am not sold the 4th has crazy value.

But if you got Lindholm and a 2nd with middling prospect, is that a massive overpay?

DevilsLettuce June 23, 2016 - 10:21 am

So essentially Hall is being traded for Petry’s replacement.

This spells success all over it.

Jethro Tull June 23, 2016 - 10:20 am

Bruce McCurdy: Is the goal to win the Cup within two years?

You tell us, Bruce!

I should think the goal is to win the cup every year. The reality is sadly different.

square_wheels June 23, 2016 - 10:19 am

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

Agree. But I wasn’t comparing him to Hall, just that his past health is a good predictor of his future with just the caveat of his medical condition. From personal experience, the early 30’s is when your body usually says Fuck You for all the wear and tear so banking on Lucic post year 4 could be a risk.

However, the NHL has a notoriously shitty performance enhancing drug regime – get those boys on the “clear”.

Kris11 June 23, 2016 - 10:19 am

McDavid for Jimmy Carson?

Too soon?

Jethro Tull June 23, 2016 - 10:19 am

On potential GMs for the Las Vegas Caesars (more libations, my Imperial conqueror?):

Don Maloney was third in voting for GM of the year despite being the only one fired. The votes are amongst the other 29 GMs.

Bruce McCurdy June 23, 2016 - 10:18 am

John Chambers:
They could also, in theory, try to sign Lucic to a 2-year $14M deal where they grossly overpay him for a short term, under the premise that he’ll be McDavid’s primary Left Wing.

Is the goal to win the Cup within two years?

Drew June 23, 2016 - 10:18 am

Caramel Batman: It’s possible to succeed in spite of yourself. That’s what those Quebec trades tell us.

A Hall for Hamonic + spare parts deal (which is what we are staring down here) + signing Lucic may indeed in some way result in an improved team in the short term and it could also be a dreadful, doom and gloom, trade.The two are not mutually exclusive and the counter factual is not doing nothing.

I’ve gotten to the point where I am actively hoping for a trade I may disllike rather than a trade I hate.I’d rather overpay for Subban, for instance, than the Hamonic nonsense.

Hall + Nurse + Korpikoski for Subban, is better than Hall for Hamonic + Strome + pick.

i am in the same gloomy state of mind at this point. i hope they do not move our hi face card for a mitt full of 6’s and 7’s!

Balance is important but we do not need to go full Diana Moon Glampers!!!

N64 June 23, 2016 - 10:18 am

Woodguy: Frank Seravalli ‏@frank_seravalli 11m11 minutes ago
Chiarelli says he can provide temp fix for #Oilers D w/o moving $6M fwd, but “I don’t know if that’s the route we’ll take.” Wants permanence

Not if that means Hall for Hamonic + scraps + magic beans.

Bad Seed June 23, 2016 - 10:16 am

Been thinking about that Vatanen deal – 4.875M. Lindholm and Vatenen both were RFAs but Anaheim chose to sign Vatenen first for a significant amount. If Lindholm is much more valuable, why sign Vatanen first which would drive up Lindholm’s ask? Fowler is cost controlled and we know Anaheim has that internal cap. So, I’m thinking that Lindholm may be available. Drysaddle would be an obvious successor to Getzlaf there – I’d bet Drysaddle plus 4th would get it done. Both cost controlled for immediate future. Maybe that’s too much?

PaperDesigner June 23, 2016 - 10:16 am

natejax97:
Is Seth Jones worth the 4th overall pick?

We get a righty with top pair potential…

Columbus gets Pullijarvi and Dubois…their cap situation is temporarily fixed and they replace their need for a center issue.Great draft for Columbus and I would be satisfied with Seth Jones at 4.

Just a thought…

You make that trade if you are the Oilers, but I don’t think they dealt Johansen with the he intention of dealing the return for a pick less than a year later.

Jethro Tull June 23, 2016 - 10:15 am

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”:
The Oilers posted full video of the Chia comments FYI. I got an alert on FB and watched it.

Must be killing a guy like Chia, who’s been tight lipped. We must have had more tweets about him this morning than the rest of the year combined.

kinger_OIL June 23, 2016 - 10:15 am

su_dhillon: Would you trade Eberle and the 4th if you got a non 1st rd pick back?

– Ebs and the 4rth has to worth a sh%-ton in a trade for D doesn’t it?

PaperDesigner June 23, 2016 - 10:14 am

gogliano: Would love to see Chia swap that #4 (the pick, not the player) for the #19 as the core of a Hamonic trade.

I can’t imagine the Islanders would be interested in that.

Jethro Tull June 23, 2016 - 10:14 am

Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli 18m

Chiarelli says there’s maybe only 12 true No. 1 defencemen in the league, how hard it is to get one. He believes this draft only has No. 2s.

Heh, heh, No. 2s. *Shut up, Beavis.*

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) June 23, 2016 - 10:14 am

The Oilers posted full video of the Chia comments FYI. I got an alert on FB and watched it.

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! June 23, 2016 - 10:12 am

wheatnoil:
I think all we can take from these Chiarelli quotes (if you put them all together) is that he’s looking at all angles. Everything’s available to trade short of McDavid. He’s looking at stop-gaps and long-term solutions, trading down, trading the $6M men, trading the pick, trading another major asset, trading the mall.

He’d prefer to acquire a permanent solution with a RHD but he’s not looking solely at that.

In other words, there’s nothing new here that Chiarelli hasn’t said before and that hasn’t been echoed by McKenzie.

This Right here!

NYC-Back-to-Tokyo Oil (Gentleman Backpacker) June 23, 2016 - 10:12 am

So based on that Chia talk can we make a list of all the left D playing right side?

Brodin…

wheatnoil June 23, 2016 - 10:11 am

I think all we can take from these Chiarelli quotes (if you put them all together) is that he’s looking at all angles. Everything’s available to trade short of McDavid. He’s looking at stop-gaps and long-term solutions, trading down, trading the $6M men, trading the pick, trading another major asset, trading the mall.

He’d prefer to acquire a permanent solution with a RHD but he’s not looking solely at that.

In other words, there’s nothing new here that Chiarelli hasn’t said before and that hasn’t been echoed by McKenzie.

natejax97 June 23, 2016 - 10:11 am

Is Seth Jones worth the 4th overall pick?

We get a righty with top pair potential…

Columbus gets Pullijarvi and Dubois…their cap situation is temporarily fixed and they replace their need for a center issue. Great draft for Columbus and I would be satisfied with Seth Jones at 4.

Just a thought…

gogliano June 23, 2016 - 10:11 am

PaperDesigner: They are trading Hall for Hamonic. Book it.

Would love to see Chia swap that #4 (the pick, not the player) for the #19 as the core of a Hamonic trade.

su_dhillon June 23, 2016 - 10:10 am

In terms of ranking the major assets I would use to get a top 4 RHD and feel good about it,

1. 4th overall
2. Nurse
3. Eberle
4. Leon
5. Nuge

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6. Hall

7. He will never be on this list.

Bag of Pucks June 23, 2016 - 10:09 am

JimmyV1965: Hey. More wishful thinking. WooHoo.

If you can’t count on lottery picks becoming elite impact players, you’re pretty much screwed. The whole concept of the burn it down rebuild is predicated on that being the case.

One of the primary reasons the first rebuild failed is 2 of the 3 players chosen have thus far failed to become elite level outscorers and possession demons.

This fanbase will be hugely divided over a Hall trade cos it’s a tacit admission that Rebuild #1 was a categorical failure, and thus all those years spent wandering in the desert under LoweBelliniTavSon were a complete and utter waste of time.

One of the reasons you bring a Chia in is he’s not emotionally invested in Rebuild #1 to the point of paralysis. If he can improve the club by trading Hall, he won’t hesitate.

I loathe the idea of losing Hall. I also know this fanbase would absolutely LOVE PK Subban. Hockey is entertainment and he’s as good as it gets on that front.

gogliano June 23, 2016 - 10:08 am

Woodguy:
Jack Michaels ‏@EdmontonJack13m13 minutes ago
Chiarelli says some talks haven’t included major asset going the other way for ‘D’ but sees that as stopgap & not inclined to go that route.

Frank Seravalli ‏@frank_seravalli11m11 minutes ago
Chiarelli says he can provide temp fix for #Oilers D w/o moving $6M fwd, but “I don’t know if that’s the route we’ll take.” Wants permanence

This makes me feel good.

This would seem to rule out a deal for Shattenkirk with only a hope of him re-signing (and like deals).

PaperDesigner June 23, 2016 - 10:06 am

Woodguy:
Jack Michaels ‏@EdmontonJack13m13 minutes ago
Chiarelli says some talks haven’t included major asset going the other way for ‘D’ but sees that as stopgap & not inclined to go that route.

Frank Seravalli ‏@frank_seravalli11m11 minutes ago
Chiarelli says he can provide temp fix for #Oilers D w/o moving $6M fwd, but “I don’t know if that’s the route we’ll take.” Wants permanence

This makes me feel good.

They are trading Hall for Hamonic. Book it.

wheatnoil June 23, 2016 - 10:06 am

Klima’s_Bucket:
Question for the group:

The consensus was praise for the 31 year old Goligoski signing at 5.5Mill for 5 years.

I think he is a better all around D than Yandle.

The consensus was disdain for the 30 year old Yandle signing at 6.3Mill for 7 years.

The Panthers PP was abysmal last season so they went out and got this guy to help.

Power-Play Points by D-Men from 2012-16: 1. Subban (94) 2. Yandle (92) 3. Karlsson (91)

Is it really that bad of a deal for the Panthers especially early in the contract???

I don’t think it’s a bad deal early in the contract at all. Yandle is a fantastic addition and they’re going to do wonders on the PP this year.

My take is that it’s just risky. You don’t know when D-men fall off the cliff. Maybe it’s a good contract for 5 years and he falls off at 35. In which case, it’s a great deal. Maybe he starts falling off at 32, though. For every Campbell there’s a Seabrook or a Girardi (maybe he’s a better example).

So it’s risky. These next couple years, though, I think they’ll find value.

su_dhillon June 23, 2016 - 10:05 am

Woodguy: Its very early days, but his year last year was incredible.

Only Hedman was as good in terms of driving play (using WOWY and on/off stats as the basis for this)

I’d trade Pouliot, Yak and the 4th for him though.

Would you trade Eberle and the 4th if you got a non 1st rd pick back?

Woodguy June 23, 2016 - 10:03 am

Jack Michaels ‏@EdmontonJack 13m13 minutes ago
Chiarelli says some talks haven’t included major asset going the other way for ‘D’ but sees that as stopgap & not inclined to go that route.

Frank Seravalli ‏@frank_seravalli 11m11 minutes ago
Chiarelli says he can provide temp fix for #Oilers D w/o moving $6M fwd, but “I don’t know if that’s the route we’ll take.” Wants permanence

This makes me feel good.

JimmyV1965 June 23, 2016 - 10:01 am

Bag of Pucks:
It’s quite possible that both Draisaitl and either Tkachuk or Dubois could become ‘drivers’ given time and proper development.

A driver down the middle (C or D) is more valuable than a driver on the wing.

Hey. More wishful thinking. WooHoo.

su_dhillon June 23, 2016 - 9:59 am

It’s amazing we are here, at a point where years of ineptitude and bad decision making somehow makes trading Taylor Hall feel like a necessary step to progress for so many people. Brutal.

Kiltymcbagpipes June 23, 2016 - 9:59 am

Professor Q:
Kiltymcbagpipes,

Oilers just tweeted that they’re looking for another backup goalie to compete with Brossoit.

Who you got in the pool? I think I predicted Pickard :s

kinger_OIL June 23, 2016 - 9:58 am

NYCOIL “Gentleman Backpacker”,

– Yes there is no way of knowing: my point though is that over the last 5 years, you take Lucic ‘s contribution over Hall’s and there is no debate on that. Hall has missed 67 games, Lucic 5!

– Managing a season is an important consideration. You can’t just take PPG and say Hall . Lucic, because teams need players for whole season, not simply high PPG.

– Anyway, I hope they don’t trade Hall, but I can see why Chia might…

– And propensity to injury vs age is a consideration, it just is

Professor Q June 23, 2016 - 9:57 am

Kiltymcbagpipes,

Oilers just tweeted that they’re looking for another backup goalie to compete with Brossoit.

Klima's_Bucket