ADAM LARSSON

by Lowetide

I have seen Adam Larsson play for the New Jersey Devils, but could not begin to attempt a useful description of him. I am blessed with a plethora of smart people in a wide network of hockey people and one of them is Todd Cordell. I asked the questions, answers below belong to Todd.

  1. Larsson plays the tough minutes based on the published numbers. Is he effective in that role? Yes absolutely. His numbers weren’t very good in terms of CF% but that was as much a team issue as it was with him. Of the four Devils’ blue liners to play more than 1,000 minutes at 5 v 5 last season none allowed fewer shot attempts against per 60 minutes than Larsson despite playing heavy defensive minutes against the league’s top players. The Devils’ shot suppression numbers are always good but his were the best of the bunch. That’s impressive given he started 20% of his shifts in the offensive zone.
  2. Offensively, he looks pedestrian, but it is also true that he does not receive PP time. Is he an effective puck mover? Larsson is actually a very underrated puck mover. For the most part his outlets are accurate and over the last two seasons he is tied with Hampus Lindholm, Sami Vatanen, Kris Letang, Aaron Ekblad and Matt Niskanen with .31 primary assists per 60 minutes of 5 v 5. With better forwards and a more offensive system to work with I expect he’ll be able to put up some points.
  3. Is he a player—in your opinion—who would be better suited as a second pairing option? I don’t know that I’d say that. As mentioned his shot suppression numbers have been fantastic despite playing in a division where he goes up against Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Alex Ovechkin, Claude Giroux and co. more than any other players. He can handle tough competition, he can handle big minutes and his offensive game is probably better than he’s given credit for. Maybe softer minutes would allow the offense to shine through a little more but I don’t think he is playing over his head.
  4. Does this player cover the $4.2M bet in your opinion? Absolutely. Top-4 defensemen are tough to get so any time you can lock one in – especially at a young age – you do it. He played almost 23 minutes per game last season and, as I mentioned, he is probably a better puck mover than he is given credit for. $4.2M per is good value for Larsson in my opinion.

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[…] 1.) A top pairing RHD to play with Oscar Klefbom/Andrej Sekera – This item was addressed when the Oilers traded for Adam Larsson earlier in the week. Larsson, who averaged 22:30 TOI per game in 2015-16, is likely to skate along side Oscar Klefbom this coming season. I touched on Larsson and his ability here, while Lowetide has an excellent post on the new defender here. […]

Sugar Reijo

stevezie:
UnjustEnrichment,

You’re comparing Larson’s potential to Hall’s present day reality. This is silly.

Is it not reflective though of the market? When you look at, say, Johansen for Jones…or even the rumored ask of Hall/Larkin for Shattenkirk… + no doubt that everybody knew they had Chia over a barrel… I’m really not surprised that he thought his best option was having to place a bet on who would grow into a top pairing guy as opposed to a ready-made #1-2.

What’s clear is Chia will forever be judged on how this bet turns out. Gords help him if Larsson doesn’t grow into a reasonable facsimile of a really good two-way defenceman. I’m encouraged by what Ken Daneyko’s had to say since the trade but we shall see.

wrosychuk

Ca$h-McMoney!,

All this is fair. The point you made is that management didn’t drive down Yak’s value YoY; they did, even if it was low to begin with.

I speculated that Yak could have been a part of a package to acquire Larsson and it’s possible that he COULD have been part of a package to acquire Larsson. It’s not a statement of fact, but a hypothetical based on needs.

And finally, it’s my opinion that Larsson could have been acquired for less 12 months ago, because I believe the asking price would not have been Taylor Hall.

However the ultimate point was that we have a talent evaluation team that has a proven track-record of undervaluing historical Oiler’s assets (not acquired by Chia and crew) and overvaluing other teams assets. I can understand paying a slight premium for like-kind assets, but the biggest deals that have transpired are not like-kind assets.

stevezie

My exclamation points probably lead y’all to think I’m raging. I’m really not.

I’ve become less passionate over the last few years because where does all my knowledge and insight get me? I can’t influence the team, yet i am expected to treat their successes and failures as my own? Why?

If anything i am amused by the buffoonery and baffled by the defence.

stevezie

Chachi,

meh, the team is slightly better than you say. We probably sign Lucic and Demers, and are probably okay big picture, which will lead fools to think the trade worked.

They’ll be missing the point. We lost the trade in which we dealt our most valuable tradeable asset. It was a loss. Losing is for losers. It was a wasted opportunity. I think Larson and a 1st would be a loss. Larson and nothing? Are you insane???

The Oilers aren’t rich enough to go around losing trades!!!! What the hell are you doing???

This was a pyrrhic loss!!!! The defences for it are insane, biased, myopic and insane.

Chachi

Pouzar: I remember Pouliot-Nuge-Ebs being good. That’s a pretty solid Line 2.

And what happens the nights that one or more of those guys is injured? Are the guys who didn’t step up and perform last year going to magically get better?

Sugar Reijo

Woke up this morning with a diamond-splitter headache thinking, ‘Did all that really happen?’

What makes it worse for me is Hall’s reaction. As has been said countless times he made these last years bearable.

Weird that both of McDavid’s roommates from last year are now gone. I know there will be those who question what effect severing those emotional ties will have on McDavid going forward in terms of loyalty. Just as you can bet there will be those who wonder if maybe the team’s being aware of those ties lends credence to there being a lot more going on behind the scenes than we know. My own suspicion is Chia knows McDavid is not the type to suffer what Hall did in his time here. McDavid’s only loyalty will be to winning. I guess whether you believe this deal gets us closer to that is the difference between its being painful but palatable or more salt in a decade-long festering wound. Either way, that Hall’s the one to pay the price for so many years of organizational ineptitude makes it hurt no matter what. Bottom line it’s a brutal, brutal business.

stevezie

UnjustEnrichment,

Almost all of this is wrong.

The problem with Yak isn’t that he doesn’t fit the Oilers, it’s that he doesn’t seem to fit the NHL. The problem is his tangibles.

At the time be looked like the clear BPA. I agree that trading down looked like the move to make at the time, but the idea that you’re better off with a “substantial” second pairing defenceman than an elite goal scorer is silly. Yak didn’t turn into the one, but the problem there is Yak, not the idea the a first line winger is more rare and valuable than a decent rhD (what is Ryan Murray’s elite skill, again?)

And you defend the Hall trade because of what you think Larson could be. You’re comparing Larson’s potential to Hall’s present day reality. This is silly.

NJ should have at least had to balance the difference in present tense contributions with picks or salary. There’s a reason the rest of the league is laughing at this deal.

€√¥£€^$

I expect another big move today.

We wait…..

Pouzar

Chachi:
The only silver lining out of all this is that Nolan Patrick is 6’3″ and a centre who shoots right. The Oilers should be in the mix to pick him at the 2017 draft given that on any given night they will likely have only one line that is a threat to score.

I remember Pouliot-Nuge-Ebs being good. That’s a pretty solid Line 2.

UnjustEnrichment

Of course, Yakupov was the wrong pick to begin with. He did not have the intangibles that the Oilers required from a first-overall pick. Picking him was a massive error in judgment, and that error became compounded in value over time through poor development of the player and the coaching carousel.

Why are we always going for what is flashy rather than for what has substance? Substance? Ryan Murray. Boring but substantial. Also, by the way, a RH defenseman.

If trading Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson is the “disaster” that some are making it out to be (I do not agree), then drafting Yakupov was a monumental error–an instance of idiocy of the highest degree. At least we have been able to convert Hall into a very good defenseman. What can we convert Yakupov into? Perhaps a 4th or 5th round pick. Talk about throwing away the opportunity represented by a first overall pick!

Oilspill

UnjustEnrichment:
A day later, I am even more confident that the trade was a reasonably good one. But my definition of a good trade is one that hurts a little or, sometimes, a lot..

Gone are the days when Sam Polluck could pull the wool over someone’s eyes. We should not be expecting one-sided deals in our favour. We should be expecting to pay top dollar, and perhaps a premium, to make some of the changes that everyone in the universe knows the Oilers need to make.

Building a team means acquiring the right pieces, not just any pieces. the intangibles are vital: we need players who have both skill and character, and a capacity to play as a member of an effective team. We have now have a RD, 23 year old defenseman who is on an upward curve, with the potential to be a #1 D. How can we argue with that? While Larsson may not be an offensive star, having someone who can move or pass the puck out of the zone effectively, and play strong defense, will facilitate more offense indirectly. Rather than watching Hall’s pirouettes to nowhere, we will have more of a team game that leads to team gains, offensively speaking. Those pirouettes were fun to watch, but they were not integrated into a team strategy.Pirouettes without a team strategy lead to one result: bottom of the standings.

This team needs more than tinkering around the edges. Chirelli is going to give us more than tinkering–more than Band-Aid fixes. Meaningful change is going to hurt, but there will be new growth afterwards. I think Chirelli is doing what no one before him had the guts or ability to do with this team.

You are right on. We don’t get better waiting with guys who LEAD us to last place finishes. I knew Hall would be gone and RNH would stay. Hall pouted his way around. EBS is 50/50. Fayne is unmoveable even with 50 salary retention due to contract. That will be a weak area this year unless addressed.

Jethro Tull

Oilspill: Been to Nashville a lot.Seems they are part of the South. His personality will need a huge readjustment.

If even half of the stereotypes about the southern US are true, why would PK need to change his attitude?

square_wheels

smellyglove,

Tragedy but going to happen 20 more time this season alone – Backes will be on someones payroll 5 years from now, so will Loui Erikson and Andrew Ladd. All of them will be 35 at the end of those contracts.

Place your bets on the McDavid early years then Lombardi your way out. Glass half full people, the deal is done and we have to move on.

square_wheels

stevezie,

Depends, is it the zombie apocalypse ? Cuz if it is, fuck your Sentra, I want the 77 Powerwagon with the lift kit.

Ca$h-McMoney!

wrosychuk,

I see no evidence that Larsson was available last summer.

I see no evidence that Yakupov had any value last summer.

We could likely have traded Yakupov for Larsson sometime between when he was drafted and 1 year thereafter. Beyond that I don’t see it, nor have I read any reports from NHL sources that suggest what you are speculating at is true.

Agreed Yakupov’s value has been driven down, however it was in the dirt when Chiarelli arrived. His value has been in the tank for quite some time.

Agreed Larsson could have been had for less 12 months ago, but I’m not sure if that’s 2% less or 20% less. You are making statements out to be clear cut fact without any evidence. It would also have been riskier to acquire Larsson 12 months ago as he was less proven.

Yakupov had some success with McDavid, so did everyone else. Getting hurt cost him a lot of momentum, but they tried to maximize Connor McDavids production last year. I’m OK with that.

As far as Yak on the powerplay, I agree I would have liked to see more, however:

Yakupov produced 3.46 ponts/60 on the power play.
Letestu produced 4.11 points/60 on the power play.
Korps produced 5.26 points/60 on the power play.

Again, I agree Yakupov’s value was in the gutter. I like the guy, I think he has more to give as a player, but I also think some of that is on him. Not all of it, but some.

I agree the payment for Larsson was steep. I don’t love it. I’m not defending the trade so much as I’m trying to dial down the hyperbole.

I do, however, think you need to be reasonable. Lots of reasons to be upset with Chia; Yak having no value is in my opinion not high on that list.

smellyglove

I’l save my Hall waxing poetic post for another time.

TL;DR — We were all prepared to lose value in a trade for the sake of balance, but Hall for Larsson is a bridge too far in terms of the actual player.

Here’s a story that no one’s picking up on: Hall was the #1 overall pick in 2010, the first step in an acknowledged rebuild after three years of sliding mediocrity following the cup loss and one scored earth season in 2010. The team was to be built around Hall, but after a very successful personal career (chance, driver, PPG), Hall was dealt six years after he was picked to address defensive deficiencies, in a year when the Oilers finished #29 in a league of 30 teams.

The optics of this are terrible from an organizational point of view, absolutely no salvation here, and the architects of this disaster still occupy high and influential positions in Oilerland.

Taylor Hall was to be the fruit of years of misery, instead he was sacrificed and everything was wasted after all.

Very Shakespearean.

Gregor reporting that Dreger is saying that Lucic may sign a seven year deal with the Oilers. Tragedy.

Pink Socks

I went through the 5 stages of grief.

Denial – No we didn’t just move Taylor Hall for a D that isn’t a legitimate number one

Anger – Fuck Chiarelli, fuck him, and MacT, and Howson, and Katz, and Northlands, and the new place, all of them

Bargaining – Please God, let the reporters have made a mistake and it was actually Eberle that was traded

Depression – See whiskey. Watch Taylor Hall highlights and read of his reaction to the trade. Finish whiskey.

Acceptance – Maybe Hall’s value wasn’t what we thought. Maybe he wasn’t worth Subban or Lindholm. Maybe Larsson will turn into a number one next year and play on an excellent all Swede first pairing and the Oil are actually a better team for the trade.

square_wheels

Oilspill,

I’ve been down as well, love the town in all honesty.

But you’re right, hockey is nowhere near top draw, football is king.

[…] according to Todd Cordell (Read this piece from Lowetide, as it is an awesome look at the player), does an exceptional job […]

stevezie

Oilspill,

Why?

UnjustEnrichment

A day later, I am even more confident that the trade was a reasonably good one. But my definition of a good trade is one that hurts a little or, sometimes, a lot..

Gone are the days when Sam Polluck could pull the wool over someone’s eyes. We should not be expecting one-sided deals in our favour. We should be expecting to pay top dollar, and perhaps a premium, to make some of the changes that everyone in the universe knows the Oilers need to make.

Building a team means acquiring the right pieces, not just any pieces. the intangibles are vital: we need players who have both skill and character, and a capacity to play as a member of an effective team. We have now have a RD, 23 year old defenseman who is on an upward curve, with the potential to be a #1 D. How can we argue with that? While Larsson may not be an offensive star, having someone who can move or pass the puck out of the zone effectively, and play strong defense, will facilitate more offense indirectly. Rather than watching Hall’s pirouettes to nowhere, we will have more of a team game that leads to team gains, offensively speaking. Those pirouettes were fun to watch, but they were not integrated into a team strategy. Pirouettes without a team strategy lead to one result: bottom of the standings.

This team needs more than tinkering around the edges. Chirelli is going to give us more than tinkering–more than Band-Aid fixes. Meaningful change is going to hurt, but there will be new growth afterwards. I think Chirelli is doing what no one before him had the guts or ability to do with this team.

stevezie

It is impossible to justify this trade.

Even if you think they “had to” trade Hall, and even if you think Larson was the right guy to target, you can’t deny Hall is worth more to a hockey team than Larson.

If my truck is worth six grand, and your car is worth ten, and we trade because you need a truck, aren’t you going to make me throw in a lawnmower or something? A full tank of gas? The lottery tickets in the glove box?

Even if the trade works out and Larson is a perfect fit this will still have been a horribly wasted opportunity.

Oilspill

square_wheels:
The hardest of hardcore Habs fan just left me desk…..wow, did he give me a perspective on Montreal fan culture.

Apparently PK has been the world traveler, attending the NBA semi’s and finals, booking his own celebrity basketball tourney without the support of the club, hosting his own Just for Laughs event, showing up in Europe…….this guy tells me that Habs fans like their players to spend the off-season outr of the limelight doing the usual golf tourney or community events.

Planet PK is a bit much, however I personally enjoy the oddballs and independent sorts regardless of profession………but many do not.

Curious how the conservative side of Tennessee will embrace PK, it could get worse for him there, or be the perfect fit. NFL and Nascar are king in those parts, so he might be second fiddle in those parts.

Been to Nashville a lot. Seems they are part of the South. His personality will need a huge readjustment.

square_wheels

The hardest of hardcore Habs fan just left me desk…..wow, did he give me a perspective on Montreal fan culture.

Apparently PK has been the world traveler, attending the NBA semi’s and finals, booking his own celebrity basketball tourney without the support of the club, hosting his own Just for Laughs event, showing up in Europe…….this guy tells me that Habs fans like their players to spend the off-season outr of the limelight doing the usual golf tourney or community events.

Planet PK is a bit much, however I personally enjoy the oddballs and independent sorts regardless of profession………but many do not.

Curious how the conservative side of Tennessee will embrace PK, it could get worse for him there, or be the perfect fit. NFL and Nascar are king in those parts, so he might be second fiddle in those parts.

99266in87

As a Halllsy fan, I approve this trade. We couldn’t go in with just Fayne. Larsson really just pushed down Nurse and Reinhardt to where they should, further seasoning. #1 D don’t get moved, practically ever. Wingers are plug and play, #1 D must be drafted and developed. Or stolen. Extra cap, more depth, and more changes on the way. Me, I look fwd to the new captain 97, and the new culture. Everyone involved seems to be saying the right things. Unless you get a paycheque from the NHL, most of the assumptions are speculation.

wrosychuk

Ca$h-McMoney!,

The point being made is that Larsson could have been had for less than Taylor Hall 12 months ago (which COULD have included a package that featured Yakupov as a significant chip).

Flash back 12 months, we paid a VERY steep price for an asset in Reinhart that management believed would be a top-2 D.

Fast-forward to today, and Reinhart has not even evolved into an NHL defenseman and we traded arguably one of the 3 best forwards in the NHL for a prospect that our talent evaluation group is saying will be another top-2 D.

I agree that defense is an area of need, but the way management evaluates talent and perceived market value is insulting.

The question of Yakupov’s value a year ago is a question of fact. And to say management didn’t contribute to his depreciation in value is quite clearly naive.

Whose decision was it to separate Yakupov from McDavid (where he was showing signs of success)? Who deliberately removed him from the powerplay in lieu of Korpokoski/Letestu? Who did not recognize that he was not a part of the solution in Edmonton before he publicly requested a trade?

JD_Wry
raventalon40

I’m too worn out and pissed off to discuss the Hall trade.

I think it’s worth saying: At least we’re not Toronto and Montreal today.

Chachi

The only silver lining out of all this is that Nolan Patrick is 6’3″ and a centre who shoots right. The Oilers should be in the mix to pick him at the 2017 draft given that on any given night they will likely have only one line that is a threat to score.

Dustylegnd

Frank the dog,

Enough of all this snot and tears. Why do you think none of Lowe, Tambellini, or MacT qere able to turn this roster around? Because they stocked us with the lowest currency of player – lw – and none of them were able to meet the increasingly desperate need of a top pairing RHD.

and yet we draft another 2 forwards with our 1st 2 picks , sure JP is a RW, but he is very likely not a generational talent, Benson slots in as a 3C in 3 years IF he is healthy…..same development time as a D man. The Oil Brass felt JP gave them the rope to make this deal, maybe it works or maybe he is a 20 G and 25 a guy in his prime. Tkachuck could just as easily be a 40 G 35 a guy, you just don’t know with 18 year olds.

Oilspill

It’s easy to be a backstage mouth piece like all reporters.
What is their business experience? Hockey level attained?
They all approach from the perifery and rely on others for their knowledge.
They all have their favorites and get emotionally attached to certain players.
Subban and Hall… poisons that got moved for less value. Business is business.
CHIA has a vision to turn this mess around. Has any GM made this number of moves in a year?

BONVIE:
Wow did Gregor ever speak straight in hour one of his show. You have to listen to him if you missed it he was on fire. I think he forgot to address the Dubnyk fiasco, but he absolutely ground and pounded the buffoons running this organization hiding behind Chiarelli. It reminded me of the last fight GSP had with BJ Penn it appeared to me he didn’t want to knock him out he wanted to hurt him so bad that Penn would just quit.I just wish the bunch of these clowns were actually in the room with Gregor when he dished out this verbal beat down.

Ca$h-McMoney!

PDO:

The problem is the Oilers didn’t value Taylor Hall as their 2nd best asset, and that’s why this is so damn depressing.

The problem is the league didn’t value Taylor Hall for what he was. We got the market rate for Taylor Hall. He was widely shopped.

I pay no attention to these after the fact “another executive told me” statements on twitter. That’s BS. If a team wanted to make an offer for Taylor Hall they would have, our willingness to entertain offers has been clear as day for 12 months.

Chiarelli knew that going into next season with a sub par defense was inexcusable. This was an organizational directive.

He saw the return for Nuge, Ebs, etc. etc. and wasn’t satisfied with the return. He needed to bring in someone that was right handed, reasonably priced, and young enough to fit into the core.

Ryan Johansson had a higher trade value than Taylor Hall. This is a fact. Shouldn’t have been, but was. I’m not sure Seth Jones is that much better than Adam Larsson, and he’s 25% more expensive.

This trade hurts, it’s an overpay, for sure. Part of that is on Chia, but way too many people are ignoring the reality of this market.

Ca$h-McMoney!

wrosychuk,

You make a few interesting points, but your point about Nail is way off base. How you can blame Yakupov’s trade value on Chiarelli is beyond me. Every single member of the media has been highly critical of this player for 3 consecutive years. He was worth nothing when Chiarelli came on board, his value hasn’t moved a lot since. That’s not on the current GM. There is no way 12 months ago that New Jersey would have moved Adam Larsson for Nail Yakupov, even attached to other assets. Would not have happened.

Frank the dog

Enough of all this snot and tears. Why do you think none of Lowe, Tambellini, or MacT qere able to turn this roster around? Because they stocked us with the lowest currency of player – lw – and none of them were able to meet the increasingly desperate need of a top pairing RHD.
I have been oppositional to the notion on this board that you have to give to get, and if there is anyone who has proven to be a rough negotiator, it is Chia. But even Chia has discovered that you have to let go a better LW the other way than the RHD coming back.
Remember how bad we were down the middle? So does Chia. Remember how they tried Hall at C? Had Taylor been able to swap in and out of C I believe we may have seen a different trade.
Chia had to make a gut wrenching decision to break the gordonian knot that defeated his predecessors.

wrosychuk

I think the most damning thing about this trade is the fact that PC is entirely impatient, and eveyone knows it — frankly, it’s the worst kept secret in the inner circle of GMs. If you wait him out, he’ll give you his best asset for what he wants (I would hate to be his personal money manager).

From an FA perspective it has shown great value in showing a willingness to “do what it takes to build a winner”, but from a trade perspective, we have witnessed several times where he has a need and is willing to [significantly] overpay based on a perception that the market price for the asset he wants is high.

The most damning part of this trade is it likely could have been completed last summer for a mix of assets starting with Nail Yakupov as the cornerstone piece. He knew Nail wasn’t a part of the future, and a year ago he had some percieved market value, but now after another year where Nail has been mismanaged, his value is very low.

I am not going to contend that PC’s madness doesn’t equal winning – he has a track record of winning (earned a certain amount of credibility). However, as we now see with Boston, his methods of being impatient leave a resounding glut for future management. At this point we need to ask ourselves, would we sell our soul to the devil to win?

… I think we just did.

mm

Just cause it takes a defense man time to develop doesn’t mean he will.
Using Pronger as an example is weird to me.

PDO

If this was Leon Draisatl for Adam Larsson?

That’s fine.

If this was any 2 of Darnell Nurse, the 2017 1st and Benoit Pouliot for Adam Larsson?

That’s fine.

The problem is the Oilers didn’t value Taylor Hall as their 2nd best asset, and that’s why this is so damn depressing.

I think Klefbom-Larsson will be a solid top pairing. The problem is the internal rankings of our own players and the fact the Oilers cannot help themselves but hope that every 20 year old reaches his maximum potential.

NBOilerFan

Hockey Buddha:
I enjoyed Taylor Hall immensely as an Oiler.On too many nights for too many years, he was one of the few bright spots on the team.

As Oiler fans we know,or should know, that defense and a balanced roster are a key to winning.We all agreed that the defense needed to be improved.That much has been obvious over the years.Adam Larsson is a serious improvement to our defense–now and long-term–and we still have lots of young horses up front.Taylor Hall was simply the most seasoned of our young stars.

Chiarelli pulled off a band-aid in making the Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson trade.It hurt, but it won’t kill us, and we’ll wind up better off for it.Larsson is effective.As Chiarelli put it, Larsson is not the big sexy.Still, he will help this team in getting to where it needs to go.

All is not lost.The summer is not over.Chiarelli is not done; he is re-vamping the roster, and it is sorely needed.

Best. Post. Here.

I hate losing Taylor Hall but knew it was a likely scenario. And certainly expected a better return. But the reason Ii liked Chiarelli was that he would make bold moves (that are past 3 GM’s wouldn’t). It sucks today, Hall was a driver of this offence, but we needed to fix this pathetic defense and this was the first step. There is more coming.

Hwahl

To me this deal seems similar to that of Shanahan-Pronger in 1995. Pronger didn’t develop as quickly as people expected, and had very poor production. The deal seems so loopsided back then. Now I am not saying Larsson is Pronger but their circumstances are similar.

Larsson is EVIDENTLY great defensively. Defenders takes time to develop. Look at Viktor Hedman who is 2 years older. He plays for a better team that truly nurtured him in his rookie years and yet he didn’t have his productive breakthrough until he was 23. Larsson turned 23 last year, he hasn’t had his breakthrough in terms of production yet but it’s coming I’m sure. I watched and rooted for his team in the Swedish Elite League, he is a great long-term addition to the team. Both in talent and in contract.

I think that after the initial shock of loosing Hall we must see and accept what we now have. This deal would NOT have happened If Lucic wasn’t joining. While Lucic << Hall, our left wing isn't massively worse off. What we have gotten. Is a reliable +20-25 minutes top 3(2?) defenders. Imagine If we also sign Demers, we'd be looking great on the blue-line. We do NOT look that bad assuming UFA's gets signed.

Assume UFAs gets signed, what we should be focusing on is to find a solution to replace Yakopuv on the right wing. A two-way forward, possible veteran like PA Parenteau. Or 3rd C if Draisaitl is loved to the wing, Darren Helm maybe?

russ99

frjohnk: This will change going from a low event NJ team to a high event EDM team.

But with our forwards, Larsson should see his points climb.

Yup, that’s why we have to fix the forwards too.

Right now I’m looking at:

Maroon – McDavid. – Draisaitl (Due to Chia’s wing comment)
Pouliot – RNH – Eberle
X – Letestu – Kassian
Hendricks – X – Pakarinen

Puljujarvi is in the AHL, Yak gets moved, Korpikiski gets buried in the AHL. We need someone better than Lander at 4C or even better a quality defensive center at 3C with Letestu moving to 4c

With a potential Lucic signing, he’d be first line, and Maroon third line.

BONVIE

Wow did Gregor ever speak straight in hour one of his show. You have to listen to him if you missed it he was on fire. I think he forgot to address the Dubnyk fiasco, but he absolutely ground and pounded the buffoons running this organization hiding behind Chiarelli. It reminded me of the last fight GSP had with BJ Penn it appeared to me he didn’t want to knock him out he wanted to hurt him so bad that Penn would just quit. I just wish the bunch of these clowns were actually in the room with Gregor when he dished out this verbal beat down.

BONVIE

Matt_FM:
Hey there Lowetide, keep fighting the good fight!

I wonder if there’s anything to be made of the difference in systems between New Jersey and Edmonton. If you take New Jersey as an extreme shot suppression / low event team and compare that to the way the Dallas Stars play, it seems obvious to me that different types of players will be successful in those two clubs.

The reason I bring this up is that the Oilers have previously brought in a player coming from very similar circumstances. Mark Fayne was very successful playing top line ES minutes and PK duties in 2013-14 with Andy Greene, to the point where he was considered by alot of people as a very viable option for 1st pairing duties on a weaker team and a kind of tough zone starts stealth Corsi monster. That player’s transition from the style of play that emphasized his strengths to life on the Oilers’ roster was not a smooth one. Even now people are calling for Mark Fayne’s head.

I guess I’m wondering whether there’s much to be concerned about here. Peter Chiarelli is probably trying to take this club more in the direction of the Devils anyway from where they are now, but does building a roster that is more focused on getting the best out of guys like Adam Larsson and Milan Lucic best for a more dynamic talent like Connor McDavid?

Truer words have never been spoken, a very clear and accurate assessment made by this poster.

soup

Hope and a prayer…

Hope now that Hall is out of the western conference that he will be seen and given credit for the top quality player he truly is. I also hope that he can finally get a break from the refereeing. Hall deserves way more calls than he gets (maybe that is an added benefit for the Oil).

A prayer that Larsson is all that he should be, and that fans will not hold him accountable for Hall’s departure. This is a defenseman that the team needs in the worst way. He comes to the Oilers at one helluva a cost, and not of his own doing. Stay healthy – please!

Clearly this is McDavid’s team now. Soon we’ll see the press conference where he is handed the “C”. With the last leader on the shelf, and the defacto leader eastbound and down, there is a new sheriff in town. All yours, kid.

Washingtron

Just been digesting the news today. Didn’t want to pile on the sky is falling group though I sure felt that. I’m not going to stop cheering for the oil, stop watching the team, stop buying an occasional ball cap. Even though I want to threaten to do so.

But ultimately I have to admit that the feeling I’ve had the most in the past ten years (and more, the nineties were no picnic) of being an Oilers fan is embarrassment. I think that’s why everyone is so mad. Because yet again we’re the Oilers fans that the league feels sorry for. We’re the ones who, in exchange for our undying love and devotion are saddled with being ashamed we were on the bad side of another lopsided trade. A trade that may work out but is for now something we wish we weren’t a party to. But we are. Through no fault of our own the team we were born into or chose and are so personally invested in, that we have chosen to identify a part of ourselves with, have done something that at first blush seems like another silly thing. It makes us silly. It makes us look dumb. No one likes to look dumb.

Hey, we need a RHD. We may do way better next year thanks to this gamble someone took on our behalf. I hope that’s the case. But for today we’re once again the fans that people in every other hockey city can look at to say “at least we’re not those guys.” And that’s a bitter return for all we’ve invested.

BONVIE

haters:
It just signals the Oilers are going to stop trying to win games by scores of 8-7 and come out of the 80’s mentality finally. Defense matters, it’s a big part of every playoff team every year.

Someone want to check on Darcy and make sure he hasn’t taken a machete down to kingsway ? Lol..

Demers at this point is redundant yes ? Larrson fills that role much better I believe, wondering who comes in to qb the pp now? Davidson and Sekera surely can’t be it for 2nd pairing option. Maybe Shultz comes back in 3rd pair pp role ? 12 mins a night ? Like he always should have been ?

Hmmm if this was true why did they trade away their most defensively responsible forward on the team. The defense takes the full blame but the forwards have always been largely responsible in my opinion for the lack of a defense. What other team in the league would have kept putting Yakapov out on an NHL ice surface, he is brutal can not play the game and he has zero value. Unfortunately only Hall and probably Draisatel had any value, because of the soft defensive play of the remaining forwards(excluding McDavid)

Hockey Buddha

I enjoyed Taylor Hall immensely as an Oiler. On too many nights for too many years, he was one of the few bright spots on the team.

As Oiler fans we know, or should know, that defense and a balanced roster are a key to winning. We all agreed that the defense needed to be improved. That much has been obvious over the years. Adam Larsson is a serious improvement to our defense–now and long-term–and we still have lots of young horses up front. Taylor Hall was simply the most seasoned of our young stars.

Chiarelli pulled off a band-aid in making the Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson trade. It hurt, but it won’t kill us, and we’ll wind up better off for it. Larsson is effective. As Chiarelli put it, Larsson is not the big sexy. Still, he will help this team in getting to where it needs to go.

All is not lost. The summer is not over. Chiarelli is not done; he is re-vamping the roster, and it is sorely needed.

Matt_FM

Hey there Lowetide, keep fighting the good fight!

I wonder if there’s anything to be made of the difference in systems between New Jersey and Edmonton. If you take New Jersey as an extreme shot suppression / low event team and compare that to the way the Dallas Stars play, it seems obvious to me that different types of players will be successful in those two clubs.

The reason I bring this up is that the Oilers have previously brought in a player coming from very similar circumstances. Mark Fayne was very successful playing top line ES minutes and PK duties in 2013-14 with Andy Greene, to the point where he was considered by alot of people as a very viable option for 1st pairing duties on a weaker team and a kind of tough zone starts stealth Corsi monster. That player’s transition from the style of play that emphasized his strengths to life on the Oilers’ roster was not a smooth one. Even now people are calling for Mark Fayne’s head.

I guess I’m wondering whether there’s much to be concerned about here. Peter Chiarelli is probably trying to take this club more in the direction of the Devils anyway from where they are now, but does building a roster that is more focused on getting the best out of guys like Adam Larsson and Milan Lucic best for a more dynamic talent like Connor McDavid?

PerryK

rickithebear:
So shots per game he is top 10 last 2 years.
He is top 15 at keeping shot inside the kill zone to minimum.

So low shots and mostly low % shots.

So with a goalie like schnieder/talbot he is the best even ga d and 5 th best po ga d

Passing doughty as the best suppression d in the game last 2 years.

basically allows 25 shot per 60 rather than the avg 29 shots per 60.
Allows bellow 8 shots in the .9250 – .8330 rather than avg 11 shots.
Allows 17 shots from the .9950 – .9250 shots area rather than the 18-19.

Our 6 worst d were allowing 13.00 rather than 8.
Plus giving up a higher shot per 60 county.

What becomes apparent is the shot per game Variance occurs in the kill zone.

Now we have
Larson the best in the game.
davidson the 2nd of 3 top 30 even and po d.
Klefbom the best all round even and pk while he played.

Thank you Ricky. It makes me feel a bit better. Tough to lose my favourite Oiler for the past 5 years.

Who do you suggest as a PP specialist that we can get on the cheap (Marc Andre Bergron type)?