BREAKING: HALL TO NEW JERSEY

by Lowetide

The Edmonton Oilers have traded Taylor Hall to the New Jersey Devils. It is a terrible trade. Defenseman Adam Larsson is the returning piece in the deal, and addresses the need for help at RHD for the organization.

As you know, dealing Hall was always going to be a very difficult thing to do, and I have mentioned the Gary Carter trade as a comparable. For me, that comparable fits better today—even though there is only one returning piece—as Edmonton deals the best player in the trade and is instantly poorer for it. Larsson has a cap hit of $4.166 million and is signed through 2021.

ADAM LARSSON 2015-16

  • 5×5 points per 60: 0.53
  • 5×4 points per 60: nil
  • Qual Comp: Top opposition
  • Qual Team: Top support
  • Corsi for 5×5 %: 44.9
  • Corsi for 5×5 % REL: -3.5
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 65 shots/4.6 percent
  • Boxcars: 82GP, 3-15-18

More to come.

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delooper

“He’s not a sexy defenceman”. They should put that at the top of his stall.

jake70

Can someone who has the ambition do the splits (boxcars, advanced ..whatever) with Larsson in terms of all his stats — East vs. West conference? This would be my concern. Kopitar ,Toews, Getzlat et. al aren’t going anywhere for a while, despite getting a little older. Fayne was sent o the minors last year to give some perspective.

jake70

Bergevin doing some verbal skating on his trade.

Reporter: What makes your team better with Shea Webber than with PK Subban?

There are reasons we think we are better but I will not go into details about why we think that.

GMs must hate these pressers.

russ99

I’m less disappointed about this trade than that we couldn’t close the Subban deal.

Larsson is fairly reasonable value due to his age (closer to McDavid) and the cap savings which are considerable.

Now that Chia has committed to the McDavid cluster, why not deal Eberle and/or RNH too and really remake this team.

Chicken Laser

LoDog:
Thought there wouldbe a little plus to it but Larsson is a very good dman.

The Oilers are a better team.

Little one, eh? I’d put Larsson at about 4 10ths the value of a full, proper deal for Hall.

Citadel

What the Oilers need(ed) is a shutdown defenceman who can eat up a lot of minutes and contribute on the powerplay.

I think it was clear that the Oilers weren’t going to get one guy that can do that. I see that Larsson is going to take care of the shutdown minute munching part. Larsson also make this defence tougher to play against. Opposition forwards are going to be playing against Larsson, Klefbom and Nurse. I kinda like the sound of that.

He might help on the power play and he’s a pretty good puck mover but I believe they’re going to bring in Jason Demers. That will give them two right shot D for the power play with Sekera and Klefbom on the left side.

I think we can all agree. 12:01 EDT Friday, Edmonton is going to announce the signing of Milan Lucic. There is zero chance of Chiarelli doing this deal without that deal in his hip pocket. The Demers deal? Not so sure but it might happen.

CrazyCoach

healthyscratch: What happens when Demers signs in New Jersey on Friday?

Ohhhh, you nasty GF!

That’s as nasty as clear heels!

CrazyCoach

Professor Q: Have I missed something? What’s this about Gregor’s show?

He’s going off on people who are questioning Hall’s character. He does have a valid point, but his passion and insistence makes me think if it were possible, he’d have his lips surgically removed and sewn to Hall’s ass.

healthyscratch

What happens when Demers signs in New Jersey on Friday?

CrazyCoach

I love all these guys who phone into radio shows and preface their statement, “I have inside knowledge of the Oilers and…..”, especially when they want to support the host with a little rump kissing.

Believe me, it sounds ridiculous no matter how many times it’s said.

The only thing I can think of similar here in BC, is how many people’s distant relatives in this province went to high school with Bryan Adams! He must have been in high school for a 20 year period and transferred schools every 3 months to believe those stories.

Professor Q

Have I missed something? What’s this about Gregor’s show?

N64

CrazyCoach:
I see what they meant about Jason Gregor’s show.

I don’t how he’s going to work out as the President of Club Taylor, now that #4 is gone to NJ.

It’s pretty funny.

You’ll have to wait a few years to hear Gregor rant about jackasses connected to the org whispering about Larsson. But they will.

CrazyCoach

I see what they meant about Jason Gregor’s show.

I don’t how he’s going to work out as the President of Club Taylor, now that #4 is gone to NJ.

It’s pretty funny.

delooper

The way I look at it is, while Hall is a great player, due to the Oilers weakness on D, adding Larsson makes most of the Oilers forwards significantly better. So player-for-player it might look bad, but team-to-team it’s a pretty decent trade.

Pechetr

AsiaOil,

This all day!

Kiltymcbagpipes

Still need a PP Dman boys preferably RHD. With Larsson on board Chia doesn’t have to deal out of desperation. Talk of Nuge for Dumba turned down by Chiarelli. If Fletcher adds a guy like Niederreiter you gotta think done deal don’t you? Sign Lucic and Helm forget Demers. Dumba would be paired with Sekera though. Is he ready?

Either that or sign Demers too and run Davy-Dumba 3rd pair with Nurse in AHL. Don’t think Oil want to do that though….

Lucinius

I’ve calmed down a bit.

Trade is still bad, but it is possible to loss the battle (trade), but win the war (make the team better). Trade adds a much needed piece (top 4 RD), at the cost of one of our best players.. who plays a comparably expendable role (productive top line winger). If you add in Lucic and Demers (or someone else) at semi-reasonable prices (and the Oilers freed up another million in cap space with this trade) the LW position doesn’t get a ton weaker (weaker, but not as massively), and defense gets a lot stronger.

We’ve seen for years what a really good core of top six forwards gets you; nothing. Without a defense to back them up they spend most of their time racing around in their own end.

So yeah; we lost the trade, and I’m not happy about it. However, the other off-season moves are critical to properly judge things, because while Lucic coming here doesn’t technically impact the Hall trade.. realistically it does because you need to judge things in context.

Lastly, regarding other GMs having been able (and willing) to offer better than Larsson for Hall; I don’t doubt it. What I doubt is that any other GM was offering a better RHD for Hall, and that’s the key. We didn’t need more picks. Or wingers. Or LHD. We needed RHD and they aren’t common.

Shit, just look at what Montreal paid to part with Subban. Weber (great player, but on the wrong side of the curve). Why? Because they wanted to move Subban and also be able to replace him to some degree with the same trade.

Also, quick mention on the ‘why didn’t they just trade Hall for Subban!?’ stuff; because Montreal wanted a defenseman coming back. Rumour I heard (from a guy in the front office of an NHL team; albeit very low on the totem pole — accounting schmoe) was Montreal wanted a top 4 RHD + for Subban. Oilers didn’t have a top 4 RHD to trade, so the trade likely would have been something like Hall + Klefbom/Nurse + 1st rounder for Subban.. at best, imo.

stush18

Haha holy fuck what a day

Chachi

khildahl: Pay no attention to the missing front tire. The guy at the shop stole it while he was replacing a broken window.

“Also, the breaks don’t work, but here’s a parachute you can throw out the window when you want to slow down.”

khildahl

Chachi:
Yeesh. No pressure Connor, you are going to have to drive this bus all by yourself now.

Pay no attention to the missing front tire. The guy at the shop stole it while he was replacing a broken window.

Frank the dog

HeatTreaterJoe: Yes we do… Chia just confirmed in his presser that Taylor Hall thought he was going to be part of the solution in Edmonton.Blaming unknown behind-the-scenes issues to justify losing a Hall trade doesn’t hold water… not after Chia’s presser.

We don’t know what went on behind the scenes but it’s safe to assume that Hall did not ask out.

Pechetr

HeatTreaterJoe,

First of all I hadn’t seen the presser yet. Secondly. My point was we always assume we know what is going on in the room. You’ll notice Chia stated many of Hall’s assets but the term great leader or good in the room or well liked by his team mates was never mentioned…..

delooper

I’m okay with the trade. The lack of balance on the Oilers was far worse a blow than losing Hall.

If the Lucic and Demers deals happen, the Oilers are likely to be a really fun-to-watch team again in the fall.

If Yakupov stays, he’ll probably have a lot more opportunities, too. Could be a great season for him to build his game.

Of course, if Klefbom continues to be brittle, it’s less clear to me where this team is.

Pechetr

The Oilers couldn’t get better than an offer of a fourth rounder at the draft for Yakupov. Talk about over valuing your assets…

BONE207

Angry funny gang here today. I cried when Gretz was traded & I’ll cry today. Whether this works out for us or not,we still have Connor & PoolParty. New era…new balance…new outlook…

Truth

threeputtdouble:
If Chia manages to move Hall for Larsson, Demers, and Lucic he should be knighted.

So if he managed to have Hall, Lucic, and Demers for absolutely nothing on Friday he would be anointed King?

Pechetr

AsiaOil,

Great point. More moves to come. Don’t judge the trade until we see what other pieces fall into place. Likely one in a series of moves this off season.

threeputtdouble

AsiaOil posting all sorts of sense here.

threeputtdouble

If Chia manages to move Hall for Larsson, Demers, and Lucic he should be knighted.

Chachi

Yeesh. No pressure Connor, you are going to have to drive this bus all by yourself now.

DieHard

Lot of GM’s on here right now. This was a pretty hard thing to do. I think we can assume that at least Lucic is coming. The defense is shaping up and we’ll need money for McDavid in a few. I’m on board. Keep our centers please.

Frank the dog

Магия 10: Hall asked to go out is now officially dead.

You are correct. I will not mention that again.

Doug McLachlan

maxwell_mischief: cheers

So say we all!

AsiaOil

Lucic really must be coming to town as the second shoe to drop – and if Demers joins him – then LW is fine and the defense is light years better. Many people here are seriously over-valuing the Oilers wingers. Dmen (and especially RHD) are the new elite pieces. it’s a bit like what’s happened in football where the offensive line is now viewed as key – especially OT – and especially blind-side OT.

After RHD it’s LHD, then RHC then LHC. WIngers are way down the list in terms of impacting the game. Look at Ovechkin – a guy light years better than Hall and he can’t push his team over the top as a winger. Keep the fast talented centers, build a big mobile passing defense, and get bigger two-way wingers who can skate, finish and work the boards.

The team finished 29th again last year – the problems are deep and cuts to fix it will be as well. There is more to come.

Strapping Jocks

Very underwhelming return for one of the top LW in the game, who is on a good contract.

Fingers crossed there are some other moves and signings to help make sense of this.

Truth

Chiarelli talks similarly of Larsson than what he did of Reinhart. Rest assured, he has an eye for talent and knows who can help “right away.”

https://www.nhl.com/news/gm-chiarelli-puts-his-stamp-on-oilers-roster-at-draft/c-772716

“He’s a big, strong man,” Chiarelli said of Reinhart. “He thinks the game well. He moves the puck well. He’s the type of [defenseman] that we need. Now, he’s young, and you’ve gotta give these guys time, but I was excited to get him.”

http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=772521

We’ve been hunting for defencemen and there’s a lot of intelligence on Griffin internally,” said Chiarelli. “I’ve always liked him as a player. He’s been behind a lot of good defencemen in Long Island. I’d had discussions with Garth, on and off over the last month or so. We just kind of ramped up those discussions. I saw him in pro a couple times last year. I saw him in London at the Memorial Cup and he was just a horse. Happy to get him. We had some guys at 16 we liked but this was something we decided to act on. He’s ready to play and he’s going to be a very good part of our D.”

Both Chiarelli and Green disclosed that they deem Reinhart ready to play in the NHL this season. They expect him to make the team out of camp.

“I would hope so, yeah,” said Chiarelli. “He’s a young defenceman. He’s still finding his way but he’s big, he’s strong, he’s very smart, can play a lot of minutes. And you know what? He’s a young D that we’re happy to have in our mix, that can grow with us and help us right away.”

N64

Peter Chiarelli
‏@FakeOilersGM
Bergevin and I were going to trade with each other (Hall for Subban), but we decided at the last minute that this would be more fun.

PokeCheck

Klima’s_Bucket:
With all that cap space NJ has you’d think Chiarelli could have at least dumped the dead Korpse there.

Or received a token draft pick in addition. I can’t imagine NJ hangs up the phone for the additional cost of a 2nd round pick.

BONVIE

LoDog:
Thought there wouldbe a little plus to it but Larsson is a very good dman.

The Oilers are a better team.

Your insane ?, seriously though we’re talking about a Defenseman that is basically still at the prospect level, he is in a defensive system surrounded by defensive forwards who back check, and paired with veterans on Defense. He will becoming to Edmonton with no veteran D to shelter him and he just got traded for Edmonton’s best defensive winger.

Klima's_Bucket

With all that cap space NJ has you’d think Chiarelli could have at least dumped the dead Korpse there.

maxwell_mischief

The Hermit: Seconded.

cheers

N64

boopronger:
WTF!!!! They couldnt have packaged Hall with something else to get Subban or Webber???!! I refuse to believe they couldnt…

Subban went minutes after the Hall deal. There was an ask they did not meet.

Doug McLachlan

Shocked.

Disappointed.

Confused.

Almost all HOPE is gone now 😉

I recall the Taylor-Tyler debate and concluded that the Oilers should lean to the center but understood why they went for Hall and loved him from the beginning.

My youngest was born a couple of weeks after the draft and was jumping in his jolly-jumper beside me in the basement of our old house as we watched Taylor Hall score his first NHL goal. It was a nice moment between father and his oblivious son.

I’ve been in a hockey pool with a bunch of guys since I was in undergrad – more than a quarter century now. My last win, a few years back, was capped by a Hall jersey to commemorate the occasion – he was a key part of that year’s win and I figured it was a safe, cornerstone piece who would go to the rafters as an Oiler.

My son turns 6 in a couple of weeks and will not really understand why I’m looking so sad today. It will pass – I’m getting to the age where I say that about far worse loses than a favourite hockey player being traded – but it will take a little while.

Now I am a huge fan of Larsson and was really hoping that Chia might be able to get him out of Jersey – but not for this price.

I like our D more today than yesterday. I really do and having Klefbom (22) and Larsson (23) there until 2021 is fantastic.

There are more pieces to come, there always are. If the whole is better at the end of the process, it may have been the right process.

Chia, you made this relationship a lot harder today but I continue to trust.

Durag

LoDog:
Thought there wouldbe a little plus to it but Larsson is a very good dman.

The Oilers are a better team.

Hey Pete, can you confirm that you have deals done with Lucic and Demers? We won’t leak it.

N64

Klima’s_Bucket:
This Hall trade wouldn’t have happened if it weren’t for Bookjie.
Seriously, Fuck that guy.

Said he’s done. You’ll need someone new to blame when anything goes wrong. Now who could we possibly…

maxwell_mischief

so.. i think this sucks
but I think the Oilers will be better next year… providing Lucic is actually a sure thing.
so I am confused
very confused
angry which means sad
confused
angry as in angry
but very excited

boopronger

WTF!!!! They couldnt have packaged Hall with something else to get Subban or Webber???!! I refuse to believe they couldnt…

Klima's_Bucket

This Hall trade wouldn’t have happened if it weren’t for Bookjie.
Seriously, Fuck that guy.

LoDog

Thought there would be a little plus to it but Larsson is a very good dman.

The Oilers are a better team.

HT Joe

Pechetr:
Fans want change then when change comes…”Oh not that change”. We don’t know the behind the scenes. Was Hall the cancer we have heard rumored? Did he ask for a trade out? Was Hall upset he was not the shiny new toy anymore? Did he not want to play second fiddle to McDavid? We just don’t know….

Yes we do… Chia just confirmed in his presser that Taylor Hall thought he was going to be part of the solution in Edmonton. Blaming unknown behind-the-scenes issues to justify losing a Hall trade doesn’t hold water… not after Chia’s presser.