HARVEST

The Edmonton Oilers placed Lauri Korpikoski on waivers today, the club will buy him out. Peter Chiarelli could have kept him, with an eye to sending him to the minors this fall—but one wonders if this is a case of the GM taking temptation from the coach. Statistics reveal Todd McLellan played him 14 minutes a night—including 11 at evens where his possession numbers were poor (43 percent Corsi for percentage 5×5) and his offense (1.02) pedestrian.

OILERS CURRENT 50-MAN LIST (41)

50 MAN JUNE 30

  • The blue line now has three legit top 4D, you could add Mark Fayne or Brandon Davidson and I would not quarrel.
  • If the Oilers add Tyson Barrie via trade this weekend, a top 6D of Klefbom—Larsson, Sekera—Barrie and Davidson—Fayne would be dandy.
  • If the Oilers are going to borrow another forward to trade it for blue, expect at least two UFA forwards added tomorrow. Brett Connolly could be that extra added player (more below).

CURRENT PROJECTED ROSTER

OILERS JUNE 30 DEPTH CHART

  • The top two lines (I assume Maroon—McDavid—Eberle and Pouliot—Nuge—Draisaitl) look good to go.
  • If Lucic is acquired, Todd McLellan could go Lucic—McDavid—Eberle, Pouliot—Nuge—Pakarinen and Maroon—Draisaitl—Yakupov.
  • I doubt the Oilers are done, so the point is moot.

TOMORROW’S FREE AGENT LIST (OILERS EDITION)

Things have changed. For me, the Larsson trade puts Edmonton in a completely different part of the shopping center—and Stamkos off the books impacts the forward group.

  1. C Frans Nielsen, New York Islanders. He is a dream player, one of my favorites. 32.
  2. L Milan Lucic, Boston Bruins. He was not the top player on my list until the Hall deal.
  3. R Loui Eriksson, Boston Bruins. Effective scorer, two-way winger.
  4. C David Backes, St. Louis Blues. He is past 30, but close to a perfect fit.
  5. R Brett Connolly, Boston Bruins. Skill winger, I think the Oilers get him.
  6. RD Jason Demers, Dallas Stars. Wilford Brimley: The right thing to do.
  7. R P.A. Parenteau, Toronto Maple Leafs. Scoring W, plug-and-play.
  8. W Darren Helm, Detroit Red Wings. Fine two-way winger with speed.
  9. LD Brian Campbell, Florida Panthers. Just money, big help.
  10. G James Reimer, Toronto Maple Leafs. Probably too expensive, top G option.
  11. L David Perron, Anaheim Ducks. I think he is a helluva player.
  12. L Mikkel Boedker, Colorado Avalanche. Fast skill winger with two-way ability, 26.
  13. G Jhonas Enroth, Los Angeles Kings. A solid option.
  14. RC Riley Nash, Carolina Hurricanes. Underrated option in my opinion.
  15. G Chad Johnson, Buffalo Sabres. A very good fit as backup.
  16. RD Jakub Nakladal, Calgary Flames. Big defender, surprised he is UFA.
  17. LD Patrick Wiecioch, Ottawa Senators. I know they do not need LD, this is value.
  18. G Al Montoya, Florida Panthers. A reasonable bet.
  19. R Lee Stempniak, Boston Bruins. Scoring winger. Somewhat legendary.
  20. R Teddy Purcell, Florida Panthers. He does a lot of good things effectively.
  21. R Kris Versteeg, Los Angeles Kings. Small, skilled and gritty.
  22. L Thomas Vanek, Minnesota Wild. A short, value deal might be a wise idea.
  23. RD Zach Redmond, Colorado Avalanche. Darcy likes him as a depth D.
  24. L Joe Colborne, Calgary Flames. If other options unavailable, worth looking at.
  25. L Jason Chimera, Washington Capitals. Remains a fast train, has two-way acumen.
  26. G Anton Khudobin, Anaheim Ducks. Goalie option.
  27. L Quinton Howden, Florida Panthers. He has a nice resume.
  28. RD Michael Paliotta, Columbus Blue Jackets. Interesting depth option.
  29. LD David Schlemko, New Jersey Devils. I always thought he could play.
  30. RD Eric Gryba, Edmonton Oilers. It isn’t over until it is over.
  31. L Matt Martin, NY Islanders. Flames will outbid Oilers.
  32. G Joni Ortio, Calgary Flames. If only to piss off Flames fans.
  33. RC Cody Hodgson, Nashville Predators. Under the radar option.
  34. R Justin Fontaine, Minnesota Wild. Under the radar option.
  35. LD Adam Pardy, Edmonton Oilers. He has talent.
  36. R Adam Cracknell, Edmonton Oilers. Big, named Adam.

 

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  1. RexLibris says:

    Many years ago some friends of mine had moved out for the first time.

    Took them to Costco to pick up the usual necessities – flat of Kraft Dinner and bargain shampoo, etc.

    We split up so they could get their stuff, we’d meet up later. Figured dropping these two off in a warehouse filled to the ceiling with every kind of food imaginable was a safe bet.

    Met up 20 minutes later and they had picked out a box of chocolate bars, a flat of pop and an econo-size pack of toilet paper.

    This is FA list has some good options available to fill a few roster holes.

    I just have some concerns about letting this management group free without a grownup watching over them.

    Might be a good time for the Oilers to consider adding a Professional Shopper to their long list of advisory positions.

  2. slopitch says:

    Still can’t believe hall is gone.

    What time do the festivities begin? I like demers, prefer Barrie via trade now I think.

    We may see the balance when this is all said and done.

  3. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Quinton Howden reminds me a lot of a bigger version of Boston’s Dan Paille from 2011.
    I’d love to see Howden flying on the forecheck in Edmonton’s bottom 6.

    LT, #11 you have David Backes from Anaheim.
    Is that supposed to be David Perron???

    What about Brandon Pirri???

  4. Richard S.S. says:

    Saving a wee bit and clearing a Roster Space is always useful. Looks like Edmonton has about $14.5 Million in Cap Space for tomorrow. I just don’t think it’s enough to do everything they need to do. Opportunities arise if you have Cap Space when they happen.

  5. Hall of Shame says:

    Taylor vs. Tyler Revisited

    Gord Kiteley
    ‏@therealgordk
    Dallas sales pitch to Lucic yesterday: “Also, we didn’t trade our 2nd best scorer for a solid 4 today.”

  6. LadiesloveSmid says:

    The more I read up on Larsson, the more I love the fit. If it were a Nuge trade or a Draisaitl trade it would be a lot easier to swallow. Just so horrible that they had to give up one of the most prolific scorers in the league. Larsson costing Hall tells me COL would want more than RNH for Barrie and that just doesn’t make enough sense. I’m sort of in a place where I can’t imagine what happens next after the trade. Maybe they trade RNH and sign Nielsen. Maybe they give Lucic 6.5-7M, maybe they give Backes 5M. I’m going to need a full season to appreciate where we’re at.

    I would have interest in Ladd if Lucic is asking 6.5×7 and Ladd wants maybe 5.5×5/6. Could be an islander tomorrow morning though.

  7. Lowetide says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Quinton Howden reminds me a lot of a bigger version of Boston’s Dan Paille from 2011.
    I’d love to see Howden flying on the forecheck in Edmonton’s bottom 6.

    LT, #11 you have David Backes from Anaheim.
    Is that supposed to be David Perron???

    What about Brandon Pirri???

    Yes. Perron. I do not have Pirri on my list, he certainly has value but would prefer another option.

  8. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Hall of Shame:
    Taylor vs. Tyler Revisited

    Gord Kiteley
    ‏@therealgordk
    Dallas sales pitch to Lucic yesterday: “Also, we didn’t trade our 2nd best scorer for a solid 4 today.”

    if he thinks Larsson is a 4, he’s probably not worth reading right?

  9. Hall of Shame says:

    LadiesloveSmid: if you think Larsson is a 4, you’re probably not worth reading right?

    retweet doesn’t mean endorsement. just sayin’ Stauffer’s chicken ain’t hatched.

  10. Richard S.S. says:

    Hall of Shame: retweet doesn’t mean endorsement. just sayin’.

    Then why retweet?

  11. khildahl says:

    Is Riley Nash really an option?

    Can’t say I see him ever playing here.

  12. JDï™ says:

    Hall of Shame: retweet doesn’t mean endorsement. just sayin’ Stauffer’s chicken ain’t hatched.

    “Also, we traded our #1LW for a top pairing RHD, and that gives you room to play with McDavid. So what do you say, Milan?”

  13. HenryDrix says:

    Troy Brouwer should be on the list. Lots of heart and grit, with size. Seems to be a Chiarelli type.

  14. Hall of Shame says:

    Richard S.S.: Then why retweet?

    seriously?

  15. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Hall of Shame: retweet doesn’t mean endorsement. just sayin’ Stauffer’s chicken ain’t hatched.

    changed it to ‘he’ while you were replying, meant a hypothetical you not you in specific. Worded it poorly

  16. Lowetide says:

    Dean Molberg Verified account ‏@fan960boomer 4m4 minutes ago

    Source told me today the Oilers are in “balls deep” on Lucic. Another suggested Oil have offered max term (7 yrs) and neighborhood of 7m per
    0 retweets 0 likes

  17. HenryDrix says:

    Hall of Shame:
    Taylor vs. Tyler Revisited

    Gord Kiteley
    ‏@therealgordk
    Dallas sales pitch to Lucic yesterday: “Also, we didn’t trade our 2nd best scorer for a solid 4 today.”

    Get over it.

  18. Hall of Shame says:

    HenryDrix: Get over it.

    Why?

  19. Hall of Shame says:

    Lowetide:
    Dean Molberg Verified account ‏@fan960boomer 4m4 minutes ago

    Source told me today the Oilers are in “balls deep” on Lucic. Another suggested Oil have offered max term (7 yrs) and neighborhood of 7m per
    0 retweets 0 likes

    No doubt. Lucic has Dallas on the other line.

  20. Lowetide says:

    HenryDrix:
    Troy Brouwer should be on the list.Lots of heart and grit, with size.Seems to be a Chiarelli type.

    I think he probably ends up costing too much for what he brings.

  21. Hall of Shame says:

    LadiesloveSmid: changed it to ‘he’ while you were replying, meant a hypothetical you not you in specific. Worded it poorly

    Fair.

  22. square_wheels says:

    Lowetide,

    Oh boy. If we can turn the next 4 years into that Bruins 4yr run, then Lombardi him……I might be ok.

    Looks like teams can always weasel out anyway.

  23. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Lowetide: I think he probably ends up costing too much for what he brings.

    I think you could say the same about Lucic if the “Balls Deep” quote you posted is accurate.

  24. Hall of Shame says:

    Klima’s_Bucket: I think you could say the same about Lucic if the “Balls Deep” quote you posted is accurate.

    Vice grip time. Would be surprised if PC can walk away.

  25. PaperDesigner says:

    Lowetide:
    Dean Molberg Verified account ‏@fan960boomer 4m4 minutes ago

    Source told me today the Oilers are in “balls deep” on Lucic. Another suggested Oil have offered max term (7 yrs) and neighborhood of 7m per
    0 retweets 0 likes

    Oh boy. Lowetide, maybe skip the usual preamble and just start covering the 2017 draft now.

  26. "Steve Smith" says:

    PaperDesigner: Oh boy. Lowetide, maybe skip the usual preamble and just start covering the 2017 draft now.

    I’m not sure that I want Lowetide to move straight to the draft coverage, but I heartily endorse this new policy of referring to the hockey season as “the usual preamble”.

  27. HenryDrix says:

    Hall of Shame: Why?

    We should wait to judge what’s being cooked until the meal is served. Who knows, you may like it!

  28. "Steve Smith" says:

    HenryDrix: We should wait to judge what’s being cooked until the meal is served.Who knows, you may like it!

    “Will you please shut up about the chef shitting on the plate until the meal is served? Honestly, some people…”

  29. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Hall of Shame: Taylor vs. Tyler Revisited

    I choose … not to race…

  30. stush18 says:

    Poor LT. Unicorn took a shotgun to the chest the other day.

    I’m pumped. I really think this team is heading towards some great things this year.

  31. Hall of Shame says:

    HenryDrix: We should wait to judge what’s being cooked until the meal is served.Who knows, you may like it!

    Newsflash. We can hate the trade + Mock rationalizing this with an unsigned Lucic + Like Larsson + Root for the Oil + And call the whole thing Grand Larssony. This isn’t the tier 1 fan club clubhouse.

    Whoa. “Steve Smith” can be my “lawyer” any day.

  32. TeeVee says:

    square_wheels:
    Lowetide,

    …then Lombardi him…

    Plant drugs in his car?

  33. Johnny Larue says:

    Thank God the korpse is about to be buried. I am still in shock over Hall although I have come around to the addition of Larsson who is probably what we need it was just such a large overpay in my opinion. I just hope they don’t do the same to sign Lucic but I fear that will be the case.

  34. "Steve Smith" says:

    stush18: I’m pumped. I really think this team is heading towards some great things this year.

    …and for the other six years of Milan Lucic’s $7 million contract!

  35. JDï™ says:

    Lowetide: Oilers are in “balls deep” on Lucic

    Sounds like they’ve consummated the deal already.

  36. Hall of Shame says:

    “Steve Smith”: “Will you please shut up about the chef shitting on the plate until the meal is served?Honestly, some people…”

    Epic. Even if that word doesn’t mean what I think it means.

  37. PaperDesigner says:

    stush18:
    Poor LT. Unicorn took a shotgun to the chest the other day.

    I’m pumped. I really think this team is heading towards some great things this year.

    You’re right. 11 straight years out of the playoffs will really stand as a monument not soon forgotten. Greatness indeed.

  38. Oddspell says:

    Lowetide:
    Dean Molberg Verified account ‏@fan960boomer 4m4 minutes ago

    Source told me today the Oilers are in “balls deep” on Lucic. Another suggested Oil have offered max term (7 yrs) and neighborhood of 7m per
    0 retweets 0 likes

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

  39. Kmart99 says:

    I’m absolutely dreading the contract Lucic is going to get.

    Fearing 7yrs@5.75/yr
    Hoping 5yrs@6.5/yr
    Dreading 7yrs@7/yr…. Please gord no.

    Please don’t. Just don’t.

  40. Kmart99 says:

    If Lucic gets 7m, good luck convincing CMD to take less than 11m.

  41. bigbadbruin24 says:

    LT…a bit nit picky but you have Looch listed as a free agent from the Bruins instead of the Kings…my squad has enough to worry about already without another free agent potentially walking away, lol.

  42. Hall of Shame says:

    Kmart99:
    I’m absolutely dreading the contract Lucic is going to get.

    Fearing 7yrs@5.75/yr
    Hoping 5yrs@6.5/yr
    Dreading 7yrs@7/yr…. Please gord no.

    Please don’t.Just don’t.

    Ryan Batty ‏@ryan_batty 2h2 hours ago
    The Hall trade is justified because they’re signing Lucic. The Lucic overpay is justified because they need to replace Hall. *head explodes*

  43. speeds says:

    One of the biggest advantages Edmonton has with McDavid/RNH/Draisaitl is they should be able to find value in UFA W’s most years. So why sign Lucic for big $ unless you’re getting a deal?

  44. JDï™ says:

    TeeVee: Plant drugs in his car?

    Knowing Looch, there will be an off-ice altercation of some sort (eventually), and Chia can have the contract canceled under something like ‘conduct unbecoming the organization’.

    Either that, or his back gives out totally in four years and he’s LTIR for the remainder.

  45. square_wheels says:

    TeeVee,

    It was a damn shame what happened to Richards, injuries and Oxy’s could have resulted in him ending up in a far worse position. It’s on the player but also the team medical staff to support him.

    What pissed me off is that Lambo appeared to wash his hands in a backroom deal with not just him but another player that bloodied his wife.

    Reeks of nepotism.

  46. Melman says:

    Boston just signed Krug for 4x$5.25. Larsson at $4.16 is very good value. Still hate the trade

  47. Chachi says:

    JDï™: Sounds like they’ve consummated the deal already.

    I am not a doctor, but I think if Lucic is getting 7×7 then it is more like he is the one who is “balls deep” on the Oilers.

  48. PaperDesigner says:

    speeds:
    One of the biggest advantages Edmonton has with McDavid/RNH/Draisaitl is they should be able to find value in UFA W’s most years. So why sign Lucic for big $ unless you’re getting a deal?

    No, that group is about to be broken up. They’re going to deal Nugent-Hopkins. Probably for Dumba.

  49. Richard S.S. says:

    Hall of Shame: seriously?

    We are responsible for everything we say or do or write in any medium. If you are unwilling to accept responsibilities for your action(s), then face all consequences that might arise. It’s time to stop doing “monkey see, monkey do” to tweets.

  50. Younger Oil says:

    I don’t get why the Hall trade couldn’t happen on July 1 after Lucic was signed.

  51. Evilas says:

    Here are my preferences, in order and position.

    Centre – 1. Nielson 3C 2. Nash 3C 3. Stall 3C 4. Marchessault 3C/13th Forward
    RW – 1. Parenteau 2/3 RW 2. Stewart 2/3 RW 3. Helm 2/3 RW 4. Connolly 2/3 RW
    LW – 1. Lucic 1/2 LW(5.75 x 7 yrs or 6.5 x 4yrs) 2. Perron 1/2 LW 3. Pirri 2/3 LW 4. Stalberg 3/4 LW
    LD – 1. Campbell 5/6 2. Wiercoich 5/6 3. Schlemko 7/8 4. Pardy 7/8
    RD – 1.Demers 2/3/4 (4.75 x 5) 2. Lovejoy 5/6 3. Redmond 6/7 4. Paliota 8/minor league depth 5. Dietz 8/minor league depth

  52. JDï™ says:

    Younger Oil:
    I don’t get why the Hall trade couldn’t happen on July 1 after Lucic was signed.

    Maybe Shero said it was now or never, because he’s got to use free agency to try and fill his RHD position?

    And there are more teams than the Oilers looking for RHD like Larsson.

  53. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Evilas,

    zero interest in Ladd? I may have him above Lucic now if Luc is getting close to 7×7

  54. godot10 says:

    Younger Oil:
    I don’t get why the Hall trade couldn’t happen on July 1 after Lucic was signed.

    Ray Shero needed certainty. He has tons of cap space and will be going shopping on July 1.

  55. Evilas says:

    Lowetide,

    Brouwer is not as good as you think he is, check out his HERO Chart:

    http://ownthepuck.blogspot.ca/

  56. Hall of Shame says:

    Richard S.S.: We are responsible for everything we say or do or write in any medium.If you are unwilling to accept responsibilities for your action(s), then face all consequences that might arise.It’s time to stop doing “monkey see, monkey do” to tweets.

    My apologies. Just ran this through my counsel at Dewey, Cheatem & Howe and am revising a retweet placed here on or about 5:29 pm today in the interest of being responsible for my actions:

    Gord Kiteley ‏@therealgordk 8h8 hours ago
    Dallas sales pitch to Lucic yesterday: “Also, we didn’t trade our 2nd best scorer for a [some other guy’s ranking redacted] today.”

    Breathe in. Breath out. Repeat.

  57. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    Lowetide: I think he probably ends up costing too much for what he brings.

    The same could be true about trades…
    (and I’ve really softened my evaluation of yesterday’s trade)

  58. HenryDrix says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    Some people indeed.

  59. stush18 says:

    Holy fuck people. I’m about as big of fan as there is of hockey, and I’m over this hall trade.

    How can you not be excited? Mcdavid, pool party, drai, Larsson, Klef, Davidson, Reinhart, nurse. This team is finally funding its balance, and is being built from the rear out.

    Ten years out of playoffs, and this is the straw that broke the camels back?

    Seriously go to ON or HF boards if all you wanna do is complain about this deal. Otherwise let’s move on and begin looking at solutions for this team, and having an actual hockey talk.

    Like my gf always tells me, ” don’t get so worked up over a game”

  60. Evilas says:

    LadiesloveSmid,

    I obviously have my blinders on, I didn’t think he would consider Edmonton as an option, I have the impression he is landing somewhere in the East. He would be number 1a on my list.

  61. Lowetide says:

    HeatTreaterJoe: The same could be true about trades…
    (and I’ve really softened my evaluation of yesterday’s trade)

    Yeah, there isn’t much else to say about yesterday’s trade. Chiarelli gave up too much.

  62. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    Dean Molberg Verified account ‏@fan960boomer 4m4 minutes ago

    Source told me today the Oilers are in “balls deep” on Lucic. Another suggested Oil have offered max term (7 yrs) and neighborhood of 7m per
    0 retweets 0 likes

    0 likes indeed

  63. 719 says:

    Chiarelli showed his hand early, and unlike other GMs he takes less than market value on trades to get what he feels he needs.

    There was no need to pull the trigger on the Larsson deal until after July 1. Now we have to get Lucic no matter what the acquisition cost.

    Chiarelli has now traded Hall, Picks 16 and 32, Kessel (he got extremely lucky the Leafs sucked), Seguin, Boychuk, Blake Wheeler, and Marincin for poor returns. He also traded Gordon for Korpikoski, requiring the Oilers to buy out his second year, while Gordon would be gone as a ufa right now. His UFA signings and contract extensions leave much to be desired. He does not get good value on contracts, often overpaying in term and money.

    Yes I am worried about UFA day.

  64. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Evilas:
    LadiesloveSmid,

    I obviously have my blinders on, I didn’t think he would consider Edmonton as an option, I have the impression he is landing somewhere in the East.He would be number 1a on my list.

    could have zero interest in Edmonton, doesn’t sound like they have a ton of interest in him. I would have more time for him if contract ask if terrible from Lucic. Let him go to ANA and have them deal with Luc 6.5+x7 and Kesler 6.8M 4-5 years down the road

  65. Hall of Shame says:

    Lowetide: Yeah, there isn’t much else to say about yesterday’s trade. Chiarelli gave up too much.

    How much he gave up is still up in the air. Appreciate your patience while we all wait to see the bill. I get the whole moving on thing, but usually that’s after they bury the Korps. Oh….

  66. geowal says:

    JDï™: Knowing Looch, there will be an off-ice altercation of some sort (eventually), and Chia can have the contract canceled under something like ‘conduct unbecoming the organization’.

    Either that, or his back gives out totally in four years and he’s LTIR for the remainder.

    1. Make sure contract doesn’t have NMC.
    2. Leave him unprotected in the Quebec City expansion draft.

    Now that’s forward thinking!

  67. Evilas says:

    Regarding the Hall trade. I am over it. I had some of the familiar feelings coming back as I did when I heard about the Gretzky trade. It’s done and now we have Larsson. He is very good and only going to get better.

    I wish Taylor Hall the best, he brought me back to the Oilers and was the spark that has created an annoying addiction to the Oilers, if I am being honest. He brought back the feelings I had when the Oilers first came into the league and all the potential that was there and then finally realized. The Oilers of the 80’s were the highlight of my youth.

    Cost be damned, Chiarelli did what he is paid to do and he made a decision. People in his position do not succeed if all they do is make the popular decision. So today I am now even more optimistic that this team will reach the playoffs again sometime within the remainder of my lifetime 🙂

  68. Zelepukin says:

    719: There was no need to pull the trigger on the Larsson deal until after July 1. Now we have to get Lucic no matter what the acquisition cost.

    Complete speculation and like 99% of every comment on the trade, coming from someone with zero insight on the situation Chia was in.

    Until anyone from either organisation says anything, we have no idea on what circumstances Chia was in. For all we know, Chia had an offer/deal on the table for every RHD in the league and this was the best one, which was going to be off the table unless he made it yesterday.

  69. JDï™ says:

    719: There was no need to pull the trigger on the Larsson deal until after July 1

    Please tell us how you know that. Shero isn’t ripping a hole in his defense after all the UFA options are gone.

    Edit: Dang you ZP! Dang you all to… seven years of Looch!

  70. JDï™ says:

    geowal,

    3. Get Katz to lobby like heck for expansion to Quebec!

  71. Spoils says:

    could we have gotten Larsson for Eberle plus our first and second picks next year? I mean that feels like an overpay but I am very sorry people – Hall for Larsson is an absolutely gut wrenchingly stupid overpay.

    McD driving line 1
    Hall driving line 2
    cobble together a strong line 3

    that is stanley cup level offence. where do teams focus? how do teams handle that? we wouldn’t need our top picks next year. we could sacrifice ebs. Also Jesse P is a RW so doesn’t that make Ebs a better fit.

    I’d way way way way way rather blow a year than toss away hall for the Larsson return.

    HUGE overpay. we let the Unicorn out of the garage.

  72. OF17 says:

    One interesting aspect of the Reinhart and Larsson trades is that Chiarelli seems to value 1st and 2nd round picks far less than we as a fan base do.

    I think if the price for Reinhart had been a 1st or in between a 1st and a 2nd, no one would’ve had issue with it. Similarly, if the Hall deal had been for Larsson + 1st, the venom would’ve been much less intense. Still would’ve been there, but much abated.

    Maybe Chiarelli is being smart here? High picks are how you re-stock the cupboard, but they’re also more likely to turn into Colton Teuberts than Oscar Klefboms. Perhaps this is him saying that a ~25% chance (pulling that number out of my ass) at a real player isn’t worth losing the deal over.

    Then again, I’ve been searching for positives, so take that into account as well.

  73. Frank the dog says:

    slopitch:
    Still can’t believe hall is gone.

    What time do the festivities begin? I like demers, prefer Barrie via trade now I think.

    We may see the balance when this is all said and done.

    Or we may just have Larssen.

  74. Ice Sage says:

    Younger Oil:
    I don’t get why the Hall trade couldn’t happen on July 1 after Lucic was signed.

    What was said above and maybe Looch deserves to be #1 LW.

  75. JDï™ says:

    Spoils: could we have gotten Larsson for Eberle plus

    Shero said he wasn’t trading Larsson for anyone other than Hall or McDavid. Take that for what it’s worth.

  76. 719 says:

    JDï™: Please tell us how you know that. Shero isn’t ripping a hole in his defense after all the UFA options are gone.

    Edit: Dang you ZP! Dang you all to… seven years of Looch!

    You are right, I don’t know that. However, I am speculating Shero would have no problem trading his 2nd best RD for the 2nd best LW in the league after July 1. If he did have that issue, then I have overestimated Shero, based on this trade I don’t think I have.

  77. 719 says:

    JDï™: Shero said he wasn’t trading Larsson for anyone other than Hall or McDavid. Take that for what it’s worth.

    Chiarelli obviously took it at face value.

  78. LadiesloveSmid says:

    do you look at Rick Nash if NYR retains some significant salary?

  79. Ice Sage says:

    Spoils:
    could we have gotten Larsson for Eberle plus our first and second picks next year? I mean that feels like an overpay but I am very sorry people – Hall for Larsson is an absolutely gut wrenchingly stupid overpay.

    McD driving line 1
    Hall driving line 2
    cobble together a strong line 3

    that is stanley cup level offence. where do teams focus? how do teams handle that? we wouldn’t need our top picks next year. we could sacrifice ebs. Also Jesse P is a RW so doesn’t that make Ebs a better fit.

    I’d way way way way way rather blow a year than toss away hall for the Larsson return.

    HUGE overpay. we let the Unicorn out of the garage.

    LOL Stanley Cup level offence? This is what was out there last year and, sorry, not even close.
    Penguins showed: strong up the middle, add wingers, balance D. I’ll miss Hall but the centres need to drive the lines and the Oilers have some good ones. It will be interesting to see if RNH and Drai take another step forward out of Halls shadow.

  80. Rondo says:

    Kirk Luedeke Retweeted John Matisz
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    Source told me today the Oilers are in “balls deep” on Lucic. Another suggested Oil have offered max term (7 yrs) and neighborhood of 7m per

  81. stevezie says:

    “Steve Smith”: “Will you please shut up about the chef shitting on the plate until the meal is served?Honestly, some people…”

    You win

  82. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    Lowetide: Yeah, there isn’t much else to say about yesterday’s trade. Chiarelli gave up too much.

    I actually think if there was one thing I could say about the trade, and this will hold true with time… even if the return were different, I would STILL be angry simply because we traded away Hall.

    Larsson seems like a fantastic fit, and the trade may probably turn out to be a shrewd move. But I’ll still be upset about not having Hall on the team. When the Oilers eventually make the playoffs, it’s going to feel sullied to me because of Hall’s absence.

  83. stevezie says:

    I asked last thread with limited response, but am going to try again. What’s the bigger disaster: Lucic at 7×7, or Lucic signing somewhere else?

  84. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    One more question for Lowetide:

    If the Oilers sign Lucic, they could run the following team:

    Maroon – McDavid – Yakupov
    Pouliot – RNH – Eberle
    Lucic – Drai – JP
    Hendricks – Letetsu – Kassian

    Klefbom – Larsson
    Sekera – Fayne
    Nurse – Davidson

    Talbot

    so… would we finally get to see the mythical “Balance” photo?

  85. JDï™ says:

    stevezie,

    Bigger disaster – Lucic signing in Calgary?

  86. stush18 says:

    Regarding the defense, I don’t know if demers will sign here. I dunno if chia even wants to sign another. Signing another significant dman means harder decisions on who to protect next year.

    I think chia signs/trades for paliotta/Redmond/sproul/Russo as a solution for 3rd on a one year “prove it” deal, which frees them from having to protect them.

    Then you run

    Klef-Larsson
    Sekera-fayne
    Davidson-paliotta

    And can protect klef, Larsson, sekera, Davidson, nuge, ebs, poo, maroon, talbot

  87. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    JDï™: Shero said he wasn’t trading Larsson for anyone other than Hall or McDavid. Take that for what it’s worth.

    Well good Gord… I sure hope the Avs don’t tell Chia that they won’t trade Barrie for anyone other than McDavid!

    *I kid… kind of*

  88. Zelepukin says:

    Lucic – Drai – JP could be the most lethal ‘big boy’ scoring line in the league.

  89. Ice Sage says:

    stush18:
    Holy fuck people. I’m about as big of fan as there is of hockey, and I’m over this hall trade.

    How can you not be excited? Mcdavid, pool party, drai, Larsson, Klef, Davidson, Reinhart, nurse. This team is finally funding its balance, and is being built from the rear out.

    Ten years out of playoffs, and this is the straw that broke the camels back?

    Seriously go to ON or HF boards if all you wanna do is complain about this deal. Otherwise let’s move on and begin looking at solutions for this team, and having an actual hockey talk.

    Like my gf always tells me, ” don’t get so worked up over a game”

    Keep that girl, Stush, she’s a good’un!
    Totally agree. I appreciate the grieving going on here but the Oilers are more balanced today.
    Any deal is about the relative value to the dealing parties – Larsson is worth more to the Oil than to many other teams who are blessed with a high-minutes RHD. Yes, other GM’s could have offered ‘more’ but the Oilers do not need more forwards, LHD or sunset players e.g. Webber. Subban apparently cost too much and I respect ChiaPete for not whale-hunting there.

    In the words of the immortal G. Downie, “let’s just see what the morning brings”

    Happy Canada day everyone, it’s a good place.

  90. Frank the dog says:

    Lowetide: Yeah, there isn’t much else to say about yesterday’s trade. Chiarelli gave up too much.

    LT I respect when you say that Chiarelli gave up too much, and we did give up an elite LW for a very good RHD, but are there recent comparable trades that prove this point? Or is a very good RHD simply worth an elite LW for all the reasons mentioned in this blog?
    Isn’t this a better deal than giving up all the assets Montreal was asking for, plus taking on Subban’s cap hit?

  91. Zelepukin says:

    719: You are right, I don’t know that.However, I am speculating Shero would have no problem trading his 2nd best RD for the 2nd best LW in the league after July 1.If he did have that issue, then I have overestimated Shero, based on this trade I don’t think I have.

    The fact that you think Larsson was their 2RD pretty much negates your opinion on the whole trade.

  92. Oilspill says:

    Yes the current talent level of Larsson is not equal to Hall but a positional need was addressed. We gave more to get less. I won’t lose a bit of sleep.

  93. Ice Sage says:

    Frank the dog: LT I respect when you say that Chiarelli gave up too much, and we did give up an elite LW for a very good RHD, but are there recent comparable trades that prove this point? Or is a very good RHD simply worth an elite LW for all the reasons mentioned in this blog?
    Isn’t this a better deal than giving up all the assets Montreal was asking for, plus taking on Subban’s cap hit?

    Vancouver trading McCann and some picks for Gudbrandson

  94. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    stevezie:
    I asked last thread with limited response, but am going to try again. What’s the bigger disaster: Lucic at 7×7, or Lucic signing somewhere else?

    In a self-destructive way, it would be kind of hilarious if Lucic signs elsewhere if only because it would stop the chatter about “the trade wasn’t so bad, since it was actually Hall for Larsson AND Lucic”

    If the contract if 7×7, I think it will be better if the Oilers don’t sign Lucic… that contract could kill the team long term.

  95. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Tough not seeing the dynamism of McD on line 1, and Hall on line 2. Just praying RNH or Drai step up in a big way

  96. square_wheels says:

    stevezie,

    Somewhere else. G posted it today on Twitter but it wasn’t the first time I’d seen this – Lucic is a possession monster, lead the possession dominant Kings but this is a guy you don’t take the puck away from.

    There is a dynamic to him that few players have, he’s a rare LW and I’d much rather bet on him than Dustin Brown, Hartnell or a Kessler (spits).

    He’s legit.

  97. stush18 says:

    stevezie:
    I asked last thread with limited response, but am going to try again. What’s the bigger disaster: Lucic at 7×7, or Lucic signing somewhere else?

    Lucic elsewhere. 7 mill is going rate for first line players.

  98. 719 says:

    Zelepukin: The fact that you think Larsson was their 2RD pretty much negates your opinion on the whole trade.

    Obviously I am not as strong with stats as many on this blog, but I hope you don’t think I am coming from an irrational angry place. I am basing it on the stats here:

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/oilers-need-defence-adam-larsson-answer/

    Looks to me like Severson is better than Larsson at the moment, not saying that will hold true always. Either way both players are being zoomed by Greene, just like Fayne was.

  99. speeds says:

    stevezie:
    I asked last thread with limited response, but am going to try again. What’s the bigger disaster: Lucic at 7×7, or Lucic signing somewhere else?

    Not even close to me, Lucic signing elsewhere is way preferable.

  100. JDï™ says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Tough not seeing the dynamism of McD on line 1, and Hall on line 2.

    Bah – unicorns! Nothing beats a bull with a gun in his tail!

  101. "Steve Smith" says:

    stush18,

    For how many of those seven years do you see him as a first-line player, though?

  102. Snowman says:

    Good god if Lucic costs 7×7 Chiarelli has gone done lost his damn mind.

  103. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    stush18,

    For how many of those seven years do you see him as a first-line player, though?

    Does he share genetic material with Jagr, or is he simply mortal?

  104. Hall of Shame says:

    Snowman:
    Good god if Lucic costs 7×7 Chiarelli has gone done lost his damn mind.

    Best to say that today. Tomorrow it’s time to get over it. Contract could outlast Chia by 6 years if he really does go 7×7.

  105. Lowetide says:

    square_wheels:
    stevezie,

    Somewhere else. G posted it today on Twitter but it wasn’t the first time I’d seen this – Lucic is a possession monster, lead the possession dominant Kings but this is a guy you don’t take the puck away from.

    There is a dynamic to him that few players have, he’s a rare LW and I’d much rather bet on him than Dustin Brown, Hartnell or a Kessler (spits).

    He’s legit.

    Lucic is a good player. The question is money, and term.

  106. stush18 says:

    Ice Sage,

    She says she agrees with you. Lol

    Her family was never into sports, and she doesn’t understand why I put so much into a team that I’ll never know personally.

    She prolly has a point. But I’m holding out hope someone recognizes me for the sublime hockey talent that I am haha

  107. JDï™ says:

    HeatTreaterJoe: Does he share genetic material with Jagr

    Jagr only shares ‘genetic material’ with 18 yr old Czech models!

  108. Professor Q says:

    I really don’t want to touch Lucic for anything more than $6 million.

    Would prefer it to be lower, obviously.

    $7 million for 7?! Ludicrous.

  109. Bad Seed says:

    JDï™: Jagr only shares ‘genetic material’ with 18 yr old Czech models!

    Quickest wit on Lowetide! JDI, I’m a fan.

  110. LadiesloveSmid says:

    If it’s 7×7 or 6.875×7 or 6.5×7 or whatever. You’re paying full price the first 3 (maybe, maybe 4) years and then an outrageous amount the rest. At that point it’s got to be better to throw money at Ladd, Perron, or make a trade

  111. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    How about this… can we pretend today tonight that Chia has signed Lucic for 7years @ $8million per, so that when tomorrow is 7×7, it doesn’t feel so bad?

    Maybe I can make it to stage 5 of grief before the signing even occurs. *thumbs up, with grimacy face*

  112. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    Hall of Shame: Don’t tell Godot. But the blood of unicorns should keep him going.

    Can we use said blood as an offering to some ancient Kandarian spirits to finally get rid of the curse of Pronger?

  113. JDï™ says:

    HeatTreaterJoe: Maybe I can make it to stage 5 of grief before the signing even occurs.

    Disassociate. It’s all good.

    Better yet, pretend that Looch signed for 7 x $8M, and then the league investigates the negotiations and fines the Oilers for talking dollars and term before July 1 – so they take Poolparty away and award him to Vancouver!

  114. norm_klassen says:

    its not my money or yours and contracts get traded. lucic helps this team and costs only money. its going to work out great.

  115. Gordies Elbow says:

    HeatTreaterJoe,

    Yep, the rumors are “setting the market.”

    I’d say that saying 7×7 is the attempt make the inevitable 6×7 look good, even though it won’t. Good thing Larsson and Klefbom are tied up in cheap deals.

  116. stush18 says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    stush18,

    For how many of those seven years do you see him as a first-line player, though?

    I would say five. I mean this guy is only 27? Do we all see him falling off a steep cliff before the age of 32?

    Furthermore, it’s a terrible way to look at it, but does anyone here really know or care what’s going to happen in seven years?

  117. Oil2Oilers says:

    RexLibris,
    Great story. It ties is with some thoughts I have been having since first checking Twitter this morning.

    Culture change is real and important in hockey! (Bare with me)

    For example to fix days like yesterday, I as an armchair owner would do the following;

    1. Hire the bestest, most experienced and connected hockey man I could. Even better if he had actually played the game.

    2. Make him report to Jen @regressedPDO

    Old school idiotic hockey culture fixed.

  118. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    JDï™: Disassociate. It’s all good.

    Better yet, pretend that Looch signed for 7 x $8M, and then the league investigates the negotiations and fines the Oilers for talking dollars and term before July 1 – so they take Poolparty away and award him to Vancouver!

    Thanks for helping…

  119. JDï™ says:

    Bad Seed,

    😉

  120. Wolfie says:

    Chiarelli absolutely has to get Lucic signed tomorrow. Even if it’s 7×7… How many teams have figured ways out of cap hell and remained competitive? LA, Chicago, pretty much every serious Stanley Cup contender.

    I don’t like the Hall trade one bit. But the downgrade from Hall to Lucic is less than the massive upgrade RHD just received. That is the plan. Chia has to ink Lucic.

    RNH has shown in the past that he can be a driving force without Hall. The Pouliot-Nuge-Eberle line was very good a couple of years ago. Nuge seems to be more assertive without Hall.

    Rex and Wheat expressed my feelings about the betrayal of the Hall trade but I think I understand what Chiarelli is trying to do. He better be right.

  121. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    Gordies Elbow:
    HeatTreaterJoe,

    Yep, the rumors are “setting the market.” I’d say that saying 7×7 is the attempt make the inevitable 6×7 look good, even though it won’t. Good thing Larsson and Klefbom are tied up in cheap deals.

    I hope so.

  122. admiralmark says:

    norm_klassen:
    its not my money or yours and contracts get traded. lucic helps this team and costs only money. its going to work out great.

    It’s almost like the Salary Cap doesnt ever come into play. Or was that sarcasm on your part?

  123. "Steve Smith" says:

    Wolfie: Chiarelli absolutely has to get Lucic signed tomorrow. Even if it’s 7×7

    […]

    I don’t like the Hall trade one bit.But the downgrade from Hall to Lucic is less than the massive upgrade RHD just received.That is the plan.Chia has to ink Lucic.

    It’s just a shame that Chiarelli inherited such a lousy negotiating position.

  124. Pechetr says:

    HeatTreaterJoe,

    When the Oilers make the playoffs it will be because of Hall’s absence.

  125. Woodguy says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    stush18,

    For how many of those seven years do you see him as a first-line player, though?

    3.

    ish.

  126. Woodguy says:

    Pechetr:
    HeatTreaterJoe,

    When the Oilers make the playoffs it will be because of Hall’s absence.

    Get bent

  127. JDï™ says:

    stush18: I mean this guy is only 27?

    28 in June.

  128. "Steve Smith" says:

    Pechetr,

    LT, wasn’t this kind of anonymous, unsubstantiated character assassination banned around here at one time? There’s been a hell of a lot of it over the past couple of days, mostly from posters who had suspiciously little to say until now.

  129. Pechetr says:

    No one calling for Chia’s head over this buyout? Hmmmmm

  130. "Steve Smith" says:

    Pechetr,

    It’s almost – almost – as though you think you have a point of some kind.

  131. Woodguy says:

    Woodguy: 3.

    ish.

    Maybe more.

    Physical forwards hit the cliff in the early 30’s but guys like Doan, Iginla, Hartnell and even Ovi (huge hit totals) seem to go longer.

  132. Hall of Shame says:

    JDï™: Disassociate. It’s all good.

    Better yet, pretend that Looch signed for 7 x $8M, and then the league investigates the negotiations and fines the Oilers for talking dollars and term before July 1 – so they take Poolparty away and award him to Vancouver!

    “Please be advised that clubs are permitted to discuss the potential interest in as well as general parameters of a potential future contractual relationship with another club’s pending RFA or UFA during the applicable interview periods.”

  133. Lowetide says:

    Pechetr:
    No one calling for Chia’s head over this buyout? Hmmmmm

    I did write about it yesterday, imo he is in trouble if this team cannot move north in a big way in the coming season.

  134. godot10 says:

    stush18:

    Furthermore, it’s a terrible way to look at it, but does anyone here really know or care what’s going to happen in seven years?

    In seven years, it will be a Mad Max world.

    Hillary and her Deep State neocon buddies are going to launch a nuclear first strike against Russia probably near the end of her first term to solve her re-election problem.

    So you now know, but you aren’t going to have to care, because you will probably be dead.

    Note: I been pretty good with my “predictions” on this blog.

  135. OF17 says:

    The visceral aspect of yesterday has calmed for me, and I’m quite excited about Klefbom-Larsson as a pairing. We finally have a D pair that should be able to play 22-25 minutes per night against top opposition with elite defense and a good transition game. Both of those guys should be good for 25-30 points per year, most of them at evens (considering the uptick in forward quality and increased PP time Larsson will see), and they carry a combined cap hit of just over $8.3 million for FIVE YEARS.

    That’s actually insane. Think about that for a little bit. Is Klefbom-Larsson going to be almost $5 million worse than Klefbom-Subban? Are Subban’s pro-rated 17 extra ESP over the course of a season worth that money? And that’s assuming Larsson’s ES production remains constant while Subban’s remains at the highest point of his career (higher than his Norris year). PK’s PPP/60 was also approximately equal to Sekera’s last year. Is that worth $5 million?

    From a cap perspective, I’m starting to think Larsson is worth more than Subban, and Larsson has more room to grow. The trick of course will be putting that cap space to good use. That’s easier said than done in a world in which RHD don’t come cheap, but Larsson gives Chiarelli real potential to improve the defense more than a Subban acquisition would have.

  136. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    Pechetr:
    No one calling for Chia’s head over this buyout? Hmmmmm

    Wait a minute… if the Oilers miss the playoffs in 2017, would it be because of Korpikoski’s absence? *gasp*

  137. "Steve Smith" says:

    godot10,

    I’ll bet money against that – so if, come seven years, we’re all dead, I owe you $20.

  138. JDï™ says:

    godot10: In seven years, it will be a Mad Max world.

    I prefer this story line from The Running Man:

    Storyline

    In the year 2017, the world economy has collapsed. The great freedoms of the United States are no longer, as the once great nation has sealed off its borders and become a militarized police state, censoring all film, art, literature, and communications. Even so, a small resistance force led by two revolutionaries manages to fight the oppression. With full control over the media, the government attempts to quell the nation’s yearning for freedom by broadcasting a number of game shows on which convicted criminals fight for their lives. The most popular and sadistic of these programs is “The Running Man,” hosted by Damon Killian. When a peaceful protest of starving citizens gathers in Bakersfield, California, a police officer named Ben Richards is ordered to fire on the crowd, which he refuses to do. Subdued by the other officers, the attack is carried out, and Richards is framed for the murder of almost a hundred unarmed civilians. Following a daring jail break months later, Richards is…

  139. "Steve Smith" says:

    JDï™,

    So you’re predicting a Trump victory, then?

  140. Professor Q says:

    JDï™: 28 in June.

    A year from now?

  141. "Steve Smith" says:

    Professor Q: A year from now?

    Twenty-two days ago.

  142. stush18 says:

    Woodguy: Maybe more.

    Physical forwards hit the cliff in the early 30’s but guys like Doan, Iginla, Hartnell and even Ovi (huge hot totals) seem to go longer.

    I’m sure someone here ( perhaps you) showed some work showing average forwards tend to experience drop offs at age 32.

    Lucic is not average. Even if he was, that means we have 2-3 yrs of average play after 4-5 yrs of elite play. I’ll take that.

    Plus skating is not as significant in our conference.

  143. Professor Q says:

    “Steve Smith”: Twenty-two days ago.

    Awkward phrasing, then.

  144. "Steve Smith" says:

    Professor Q: Awkward phrasing, then.

    All tenses will have been basically the same.

  145. JDï™ says:

    Professor Q: Awkward phrasing, then.

    I prefer ‘inelegant’.

  146. Stelio Kontos says:

    Another way to lose the Lucic contract is Arizona.

  147. rickithebear says:

    Spoils:
    could we have gotten Larsson for Eberle plus our first and second picks next year? I mean that feels like an overpay but I am very sorry people – Hall for Larsson is an absolutely gut wrenchingly stupid overpay.

    McD driving line 1
    Hall driving line 2
    cobble together a strong line 3

    that is stanley cup level offence. where do teams focus? how do teams handle that? we wouldn’t need our top picks next year. we could sacrifice ebs. Also Jesse P is a RW so doesn’t that make Ebs a better fit.

    I’d way way way way way rather blow a year than toss away hall for the Larsson return.

    HUGE overpay. we let the Unicorn out of the garage.

    Trading a guy who can score 21 goals a season for 6M instead of a players who scores 23 G a season for 6M has me so mad,
    Especially when that 21G player requires us to play #13 or #14 fwd in his place once every 5 games.

    So we could get a a dman that requires us to score 27 less goals in a season for 4M.

    I am sooooooooooooo angry.

    You know what is worse
    Using his 6m for a forward who scores 23 G a season and requires us to play a #13, 14 forward once every 40 games.

  148. admiralmark says:

    norm_klassen:
    admiralmark,

    i dont even know anymore;(

    These are perplexing times we are experiencing.. so i dont blame you either way.

  149. Chachi says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Pechetr,

    It’s almost – almost – as though you think you have a point of some kind.

    When I read some of these posts I imagine it is Cookie Monster writing them on the other end of the interwebs. It helps a little.

  150. Lenny says:

    Thanks to I believe it was Ashley for posting this link to a Devils fan Adam Larsson appreciation thread, this has made my day.

    http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=2098833

    This is my favourite from a Devils fan:

    “As ****ed up as this may sound, I hope he sucks in Edmonton, just like Fayne, and we can somehow get him back to Jersey by 2018 or 2019. I hope the Edmonton style of play and the western conference style of play isn’t good for him, and I hope that he ends up back with the Devils. I am emotionally attached to Lars, and I obviously wish him nothing but the best in Edmonton. The Oilers just became my favorite team in the West because of this, but God there is a part of me that hopes he doesn’t play well, and can somehow end up back in Jersey to continue what he started here.

    The biggest thing for me, is how does this loss effect the locker room? Larsson was the big Swedish polar/teddy bear that was a huge part of this team off the ice. Now what? It’s just sad.”

    This was my first reaction to the Hall trade, hoping he would come back home as a free agent. Lol.

    The pain goes both ways though, sounds like he was absolutely adored in NJ.

    I hated this trade as much as everyone else did at at first, but have taken LT’s advice and have moved on.

    I think Larsson is gonna be huge for us, and am optimistic about an affordable, dreamy top pairing for the next 5 years.

  151. JDï™ says:

    Stelio Kontos:
    Another way to lose the Lucic contract is Arizona.

    Hide his body in the hull of the sunken USS Arizona?

    Bonus points for style, Mr Kontos!

  152. Lowetide says:

    JDï™: Hide his body in the hull of the sunken USS Arizona?

    Bonus points for style, Mr Kontos!

    They put Gram Parsons by the Joshua Tree. Just saying.

  153. OF17 says:

    Woodguy: Maybe more.

    Physical forwards hit the cliff in the early 30’s but guys like Doan, Iginla, Hartnell and even Ovi (huge hot totals) seem to go longer.

    Thankfully for us, Lucic shows little to no signs of hitting the wall. The last 5 seaons, he’s been 2.04, 1.69, 2.03, 2.08, and 2.56 in ESP/60. There are two outliers. One is his 14/15 scoring rate, which was still 3rd among Boston forwards with >750 minutes played, and he rebounded in 15/16. The other outlier is that crazy year in 11/12 where 6!!! Boston forwards scored above 2.07 ESP/60, again with >750 minutes played. Lucic was 2nd on the team in ESP/60 that year. I think it’s reasonable to say both of those are aberrations, but Lucic’s has consistently been among the best 5v5 performers on his team for 5 years running.

    So we’re looking at a guy who’s approximately a 2.00 ESP/60 forward who’s consistently been among the top performers on his team who just turned 28. Lucic is known for his pugilistic tendencies, but that kind of scoring doesn’t just go away in one’s early 30s. He’s been a better scorer than Eberle for every year but one of the last five, for reference.

    Not hard at all to imagine that guy being an effective offensive forward well into his early 30s. A 6/7 year deal carries risk, but it appears to be reasonable risk.

  154. Professor Q says:

    “Steve Smith”: All tenses will have been basically the same.

    Then you might need a massage.

  155. "Steve Smith" says:

    JDï™,

    That makes more sense than my understanding of what he meant, which was to try feeding him to a swarm of arizona elegans. Little bastards aren’t even venomous, though, so you can understand my confusion.

  156. Hall of Shame says:

    “Steve Smith”: It’s just a shame that Chiarelli inherited such a lousy negotiating position.

    Believe he’ll walk away before paying out on lotto 7/49.

    If eagles can let go when the prey will drown them, so can Pete:

    An eagle is sometimes spotted in the water, talons latched on a heavy salmon, laboriously rowing to shore with its wings. It’s a clumsy swimming style, but it works. It’s said that the eagle can’t let go, that the talons somehow lock on to the fish. That’s not true. There is no involuntary locking mechanism, and the eagle could let go if it wished. The hungry bird has simply decided the meal is worth the swim.

    Jacobson said that over the years there have been a number of observations of eagles grabbing fish and getting pulled underwater. He said it’s not because they can’t release their talons, “They can let go,” he said.

    “It’s common for them to get a hold of a fish that’s too heavy to fly with…they can’t take off but they can tow it to shore, rowing with their wings. They’re pretty good swimmers. They have thick down so they float pretty well. Occasionally they’ll drown if they’re too far from shore.”

  157. kinger_OIL says:

    – Assume this team gets Lucic: it’s way way better than it was on Friday, that is Chia’s mandate.

    – With the cap it will be interesting to see what Lucic gets: somewhere between Stamkos and Hall (and hopefully closer to the latter, not the former!)

  158. godot10 says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    JDï™,

    So you’re predicting a Trump victory, then?

    That is what you will get with Hillary. She will be continuing Obama’s legitimization of the Surveillance State. The chaos in Libya, North Africa, Syria, Iraq, and Ukraine was all orchestrated from the Obama/Clinton State Department.

    ISiS is an American/Saudi/Turkish creation gone rogue. The plan was to use it get rid of Assad (so a natural gas pipeline could be build from Qatar and Saudi Arabia, through Syria and Turkey to Europe) and then set ISIS loose in the Muslim areas of Russia and China.

    Obama has continued the militarization of local American police forces.

    The Americans are pretty intent on war with Russia.

  159. Hall of Shame says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – Assume this team gets Lucic: it’s way way better than it was on Friday, that is Chia’s mandate.

    – With the cap it will be interesting to see what Lucic gets: somewhere between Stamkos and Hall (and hopefully closer to the latter, not the former!)

    What a relief he’s smack dab in that neighborhood and so much closer to Arizona. Getting hard to keep up with the party line..

  160. John Chambers says:

    Just cause some jackass said $7M x 7 gives it a very slight glimmer that it’s true. I doubt Chiarelli takes on that level of contract risk when he has so many young players to re-sign.

    The Korpikoski buyout is interesting – seems the extra $2M will be needed right away … could we still be adding Lucic and Demers?

  161. Cameron says:

    JDï™:
    stevezie,

    Bigger disaster – Lucic signing in Calgary?

    If it is 7×7 the disaster would be Calgary’s

  162. square_wheels says:

    godot10,

    A colleagues son is about to deploy with 3rd Patricia’s to the Ukraine, so we’ve finally been baited into this latest instalment of the “Cold War”. Putin and America will continue this proxy war in the Mideast over energy distribution (my company is deep in the middle of it) until either the zombie apocalypse or we create fusion.

    Hilary might actually be worse than Trump, her policy flip flopping is gross.

  163. Lowetide says:

    kinger_OIL:
    – Assume this team gets Lucic: it’s way way better than it was on Friday, that is Chia’s mandate.

    – With the cap it will be interesting to see what Lucic gets: somewhere between Stamkos and Hall (and hopefully closer to the latter, not the former!)

    Lucic is a terrific player. I hope they add him tomorrow.

  164. JDï™ says:

    square_wheels,

    Two party dictatorship – banker loving war mongers or – uh – war loving bank mongers?

  165. T0ML says:

    John Chambers,

    Dare I dream that we are adding Lucic and a signed Barrie tomorrow ?

  166. square_wheels says:

    Lowetide,

    Is there an over/under on him signing here ? I think it’s locked down.

    But what if it isn’t, we need an actual LW to replace Taylor Haul 9000.

  167. Lowetide says:

    square_wheels:
    Lowetide,

    Is there an over/under on him signing here ? I think it’s locked down.

    But what if it isn’t, we need an actual LW to replace Taylor Haul 9000.

    I would put it at 90 percent, but I am not connected in any way.

  168. Pouzar says:

    godot10: That is what you will get with Hillary.She will be continuing Obama’s legitimization of the Surveillance State.The chaos in Libya, North Africa, Syria, Iraq, and Ukraine was all orchestrated from the Obama/Clinton State Department.

    ISiS is an American/Saudi/Turkish creation gone rogue.The plan was to use it get rid of Assad (so a natural gas pipeline could be build from Qatar and Saudi Arabia, through Syria and Turkey to Europe) and then set ISIS loose in the Muslim areas of Russia and China.

    Obama has continued the militarization of local American police forces.

    I love you.

  169. DBO says:

    Interesting times!

    Couple things about Chia. Stop saying the Kessel trade was bad. He was the pariah, and was run out of town (Oiler fans know about this, See Poti, Tom). He got 2 first roudn picks for a guy that was going to be offer sheeted.
    Yes the Seguin deal was not great return, but he was a huge problem child (well documented, not speculation) and I expect people knew it.
    The Hall deal is absolutely a loss in terms of talent. But I have come to look at it more along the lines of the baseball WARR measure.
    – Lucic is probably worth 2-3 wins less then Hall at the high point (I actually think he will be even for next 3 years, afterwards it is more painful).
    – Larsson is worth 4-6 wins more then Schultz (whose minutes he essentially takes, also moving down all of the players into better slots for minutes and time).

    My point being that while Hall is clearly the better player, we can more easily take losing him due to what we already have (and may have in a few hours if Lucic does sign) then we can not adding a top end dman (and Larsson is a #1, accept it).

    If you take away names, would you trade a #1 LW and a #2RD for a #2LW and a #1RD?
    Hall and Demers for Lucic and Larsson? Cause that what it basically boils down to.

  170. Ducey says:

    Krug got $5.25 M and Forsberg got $6M. Both contracts involved a number of RFA years.

    Expecting Lucic to sign for less than $6 M is a little unrealistic, I would suggest.

    We should do one of those informal polls that are popular around here but I never win.

    Question. Where will Lucic sign and for how much?

    I will say EDM, 6 x $6.25

  171. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    square_wheels:
    Lowetide,
    Is there an over/under on him signing here ? I think it’s locked down.
    But what if it isn’t, we need an actual LW to replace Taylor Haul 9000.

    I’m assuming Lucic is signing tomorrow. If he doesn’t, Chia will have his “Michael Nylander moment”

  172. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear: Trading a guy who can score 21 goals a season for 6Minstead of a players who scores 23 G a season for 6M has me so mad,
    Especially when that 21G player requires us to play #13 or #14 fwd in his place once every 5 games.

    So we could get aa dman that requires us to score 27 less goals in a season for 4M.

    I am sooooooooooooo angry.

    You know what is worse
    Using his 6m for a forward who scores 23 G a season and requires us to play a #13, 14 forward once every 40 games.

    For the record you are entirely correct on Larsson

  173. Pouzar says:

    B.D. Gallof ‏@BDGallof 5h5 hours ago
    NHL source: #isles had offer in for Taylor Hall: “Isles had the better offer on table for Hall. They (Oilers) just liked Larrsson” #oilers

  174. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    Pouzar:
    B.D. Gallof ‏@BDGallof5h5 hours ago
    NHL source: #isles had offer in for Taylor Hall: “Isles had the better offer on table for Hall. They (Oilers) just liked Larrsson” #oilers

    For the record, who would be better… Hamonic or Larsson?

  175. "Steve Smith" says:

    HeatTreaterJoe,

    To be unambiguously better, it would have had to have been Hamonic+, I think.

    Edit: I’m not presuming that Gallof’s source is correct in his assessment of the Islanders’ offer being better. I’m just saying that, if the source was correct, the offer would have had to have been Hamonic+.

  176. square_wheels says:

    JDï™,

    Yup. I have come to accept money rules the world so all you have left is the choice to surround yourself with good people.

    And learn to hunt. Nothing more primal and fulfilling.

  177. Pouzar says:

    HeatTreaterJoe: For the record, who would be better… Hamonic or Larsson?

    It’s Larsson for me.

  178. Professor Q says:

    Aside from Lucic, who else should the Oilers pursue?

    Okposo, Nielsen, and Demers? Barrie and Landeskog?

  179. dustrock says:

    Larsson for me.

    2 quick points: (1) Lucic is a gym rat and there is no question about his focus on winning. He might have a longer threshold of good play than we expect.

    (2) I was pretty shocked when Ryan Johansen was traded for Seth Jones. Seemed like a pretty big overpay to me.

    I like Hall better than RyJo, but I think Larsson is better than Seth Jones.

  180. square_wheels says:

    Lowetide,

    I won’t ask direct questions of my old buddy who works for the Oilers but his comment was “give Chia the summer”.

    Lucic with Connor could be wicked good, especially for whomever mops up all the quiet space goals those 2 will create as teams are forced to over commit d-zone coverage of them.

  181. Rondo says:

    Kirk Luedeke
    Word. Lucic to Edmonton on massive deal is just 1 of many topics the 3 Amigos tackle on our forthcoming podcast

    https://scoutingpost.com/2016/07/01/the-3-amigos-podcast-episode-2-nhl-free-agency-preview-bruins-draft-review/

    Start at 25 minute mark, they also talk about Hall Larsson

  182. admiralmark says:

    Ducey:
    Krug got $5.25 M and Forsberg got $6M. Both contracts involved a number of RFA years.

    Expecting Lucic to sign for less than $6 M is a little unrealistic, I would suggest.

    We should do one of those informal polls that are popular around here but I never win.

    Question. Where will Lucic sign and for how much?

    I will say EDM, 6 x $6.25

    I’m gonna guess Edmonton for 7 yrs. 7x7x6x6x6x5x5=$42 Mill… $6 Mill AAV

  183. 719 says:

    admiralmark,

    6 years x 5 million a year. McKenzie said he would take a hometown discount to come here if he got the term he wanted.

  184. "Steve Smith" says:

    6 years, $6.5 million. And I’d be less surprised if it was worse than if it was better.

    Edit: That’s to Edmonton – forgot about that part.

  185. Alpine says:

    Ducey,

    7 x 5.75

  186. vinotintazo says:

    6 years x 6 million. NMC. To Edm.

  187. Pouzar says:

    7 x 7

  188. Frank the dog says:

    Larssen being the best offer on the table would indicate Hall was being shopped. That would be contrary to Chia”s behaviour at the presser.
    If there was reason Hall had to go I would rather not know what it was quote frankly.

  189. "Steve Smith" says:

    Oh, are NTCs/NMCs part of this pool? If so, somebody’s going to have to remind me of the rules about whether they can run for only a portion of the contract.

  190. Professor Q says:

    719:
    admiralmark,

    6 years x 5 million a year.McKenzie said he would take a hometown discount to come here if he got the term he wanted.

    Isn’t he from Vancouver?

  191. Jaxon says:

    In order of probable cost and depending on any future trades, I see these players as good fits on an Oilers roster:

    1LW: Milan Lucic Y – 6M x 7Y w/ 5yrNMC, 2 yr Mod NTC, NMC
    2RHD: Jason Demers – ?
    2RW: Mikkel Boedker – 4M x 4Y – SJS
    2G: Chad Johnson – 1.7M x 1Y – CGY
    3/4RW: Brett Connolly – 0.85M x 1Y – WSH
    3/4 RW: Michael Grabner – 1.6M x 2Y – NYR
    3/4LW: Joe Colborne – 2.5M x 2Y – COL
    3LHD: David Schlemko – 2.1M x 4Y – SJS
    4RHD: Zach Redmond – 0.625M x 2Y – MTL
    4C/R: Jonathan Marchessault – 0.75M x 2Y – FLA
    5 C/R: Ryan White – 1.0M x 1Y – ARI
    5 C/R: Jim O’Brien – 0.575M x 1Y – COL
    5 C/L: Brad Malone – ?
    5 C/L: Derek Grant – ?
    5RHD AHL: Michael Paliotta – 0.575M x 1 – NYR
    5RHD AHL: Morgan Ellis – 0.575M x 1Y – STL

  192. Lucinius says:

    I’ll speculate Lucic signs here for 7 years, full NMC, and an average cap hit of 6.75 mil per year.

    And no, I don’t like that.

    What I’d like to see is Lucic sign here for 5-7 years, no NMC, and an average cap hit of no greater than 6.5 million per year.

    I hate giving out NMCs unless they’re to guys like McDavid — especially with an expansion draft coming up.

  193. JDï™ says:

    7 x $5.75M AAV, to skate alongside McDavid. NTC. Signing bonuses make up a large portion of the AAV.

  194. admiralmark says:

    719:
    admiralmark,

    6 years x 5 million a year.McKenzie said he would take a hometown discount to come here if he got the term he wanted.

    I think he said this prior to Edmonton launching Hall into the sun. Being courted by all these other NHL cities while Chia puts himself in a more desperate spot is not helpful to negotiations. I would expect his price has gone up. IF he signs for $6 or less he’s giving a discount and being very nice imo. Maybe that would be a great move to quickly endear yourself to the fanbase but isnt likely to happen.

  195. rickithebear says:

    Offensive Pairs:with EVP/60 for each together
    XXX- RNH (2.40) – Draisatl (4.20) PR(3.30)
    ———————————————–
    Maroon (3.15) – Mcdavid (3.15) – XXX PR(3.15)
    Pouliot (3.36) – Mcdavid (2.93) – XXX PR(3.14)
    XXX- MCdavid (3.51) – Yakupov (2.63) PR(3.07)
    —————————————————
    XXX- Mcdavid (2.80) – Eberle (2.64) PR(2.72)
    ————————————————————–
    XXX – Draisatl (1.94) – Kassian (2.58) PR(2.26)
    Pouliot (2.15) – XXX – Eberle (2.29) PR(2.22)
    ————————————————————-
    XXX-RNH (2.00)-Eberle (2.29) PR(2.14)
    ————————————————————
    Maroon (2.06) – XXX- Eberle PR(2.06)
    KHaira (1.00) – RNH (3.00) -XXX PR(2.00)
    ———————————————————-
    Pouliot (1.80) – RNH (1.99) – XXX PR(1.89)

  196. 719 says:

    Professor Q: Isn’t he from Vancouver?

    Yes but “hometown” discount was used in a radio interview:

    TSN’s Bob McKenzie said earlier today on Vancouver radio that Lucic might be willing to give the Oilers a “hometown discount” because Lucic is keen to play with Connor McDavid in the new arena.

    It was quoted here:

    http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/edmonton-oilers-will-have-deal-worked-out-with-milan-lucic-says-journal-reporter-curtis-stock

  197. 719 says:

    admiralmark: I think he said this prior to Edmonton launching Hall into the sun. Being courted by all these other NHL cities while Chia puts himself in a more desperate spot is not helpful to negotiations. I would expect his price has gone up. IF he signs for $6 or less he’s giving a discount and being very nice imo. Maybe that would be a great move to quickly endear yourself to the fanbase but isnt likely to happen.

    Good point

  198. Ducey says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Oh, are NTCs/NMCs part of this pool?If so, somebody’s going to have to remind me of the rules about whether they can run for only a portion of the contract.

    No. No clauses. Just location ( some have missed that already) # of yrs and cap hit per year.

  199. vinotintazo says:

    at what time can they start signing FA tomorrow? Edm time.

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