SILENT SORROW IN EMPTY BOATS

The Edmonton Oilers are a far different team than they were a year ago, but are they better? The team has more balance—and that is a good thing—but suggesting this team is closer to the playoffs is a tricky case to make. I like Milan Lucic and Adam Larsson, but the Oilers lost Taylor Hall and $4 million in cap room to make this happen. What’s more, the team now has one forward who can push the river, and a plethora of well paid complementary (but effective) offensive wingers and pivots. Put another way, the thing that always made the Chicago Blackhawks special—Patrick Kane on one line and Marian Hossa on another—no longer applies in our city. It is a real concern.

Peter Chiarelli’s Oilers are going to be more physical, win more battles and score more ugly goals than the previous Oilers. Will they score enough? Well, the one thing we know about the Hall Oilers: They could not outscore the defensive mistakes, and Chiarelli is addressing the defense. Damn shame previous management could not get it done, but the future is now. You should expect the addition of a puck-moving defenseman before October.

THE CHIARELLI LIST

  1. Top-pairing RHD (Two-way skills—Adam Larsson)
  2. Find a replacement for Taylor Hall (Milan Lucic)
  3. Second-pairing RHD (Offensive defenseman)
  4. Acquire RHC with some skill
  5. Backup goalie (Jonas Gustavsson)

Lucic is clearly an asset for next season (and beyond), but I do wonder about the team’s ability to post two fantastic offensive lines now—something they could do with Hall. Again, lots of talent, but it might be tempting to run Pouliot-McDavid-Yakupov (a line that worked) and then use Lucic with the Nuge, Eberle, Draisaitl et cetera.

A lot of upset about the Gustavsson signing, for me this is the kind of addition one should expect from a team that likes their young AHL goalie. By this time next year, Brossoit will be the backup (and expansion eligible, I believe).

One final thing: As much as Chiarelli gave back to the pack in the Hall trade, there is balance (finally!) coming into view. If the Oilers can get a puck-moving defender who can play top four minutes without sacrificing the Nuge, we can talk about that balance photo coming out of moth balls.

CHIARELLI’S MISSTEP

Looking back on the week, and examining the back story via Elliotte Friedman’s excellent 30 Thoughts, I think the error was in not getting P.K. Subban. I understand the cap number was fierce, but that doesn’t make it impossible. There would certainly be pressure on the value end—more Brandon Davidson style roster players—but he did a nice job with Patrick Maroon and this Drake Caggiula fellow could fit the description. Opportunity missed, and you can only trade Taylor Hall once. You can tell me the ask was too much, and that may be true, but the trade happened at the eleventh hour, not at five minutes to midnight. For me, we can make an argument that PC pulled the trigger on the Larsson deal too soon.

THE CHIARELLI EXTENDED PLAY LIST

  1. Add a “Pisani” who can mentor, score 15, and play a two-way role up and down the lineup.
  2. Re-stock the shelves via the draft (Puljujarvi and the entire draft)
  3. Improve overall team speed (Puljujarvi)
  4. Offload Lauri Korpikoski (Bought out)
  5. Improve goaltending depth (added Nick Ellis, Gustavsson).
  6. Improve AHL quality (Caggiula, Russell, Ellis, Gustavsson, Fraser).
  7. Cull the LHD herd (have, in fact, added to the LHD group).

The secondary list is basically complete, and it looks like Edmonton has their 14Fs for next season: Lucic, Pouliot, Maroon, Hendricks, McDavid, Nuge, Draisaitl, Letestu, Lander, Eberle, Puljujarvi (not yet signed), Yakupov, Kassian, Pakarinen. I wonder if the team plans on using Nuge in that mentor role. He is a pivot, but Marty Reasoner did a dandy job in the Pisani role for a time. If the Oilers are going to be bringing in a bunch of young wingers (Caggiula, Puljujarvi, Slepyshev, etc), using RNH as a guide is a pretty nice place for them to start. That could happen if Leon develops, but for the coming season I suspect Nuge will be facing tougher competition.

THE ASSETS LIST

  1. Cap space*
  2. Benoit Pouliot
  3. Nail Yakupov
  4. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
  5. Taylor Hall
  6. Jordan Eberle
  7. Mark Fayne
  8. Griffin Reinhart
  9. 2017 1st round selection

Cap space can be used as a real weapon now, offer sheets are in the air. Edmonton stepping away from Jason Demers is a real curio, would love to know what backed them off. I can think of only two things: Demers wants the moon in cap and term, or the Oilers have another (trade) option available to them.

The Oilers do have two areas of depth: LHD and LH wingers. Could the Oilers offload Benoit Pouliot or Nail Yakupov in a deal for a RHD?

reinhart capture dec

John Hoven is a very good source, runs one of the best hockey blogs in captivity and routinely delivers newsworthy items. If you don’t read him regularly, I would suggest following on twitter or bookmarking his site.

Hoven recently wrote about the possibility of Los Angeles making a Brayden McNabb style trade—acquiring a player who is a fringe NHL-player and not yet emerging as a complete player—and specifically mentioned Griffin Reinhart:

  • Hoven: The former fourth-overall pick was traded to Edmonton, where he spent his entire junior career, after failing to crack the Islander’s roster. The expectations were that Reinhart would have a better chance at securing an NHL spot on an Oilers squad in desperate need for defenseman. Instead, he spent the year shuttling back-and-forth between Edmonton and Bakersfield. A team desperate to win, the Oilers’ may look to put Reinhart in play, as they continue to try and find players to shore up their blueline. Source

Anaheim spent zero dollars in free agency yesterday. The Ottawa Senators are jealous!

FREE AGENTS STILL AVAILABLE

Here is a list of players I think Edmonton might be wise to consider signing today. Expect no signings by the way, but there is real value out there.

  1. RD Jason Demers, Dallas Stars. Why did he go unsigned?
  2. R P.A. Parenteau, Toronto Maple Leafs. Scoring W, plug-and-play.
  3. RD Jakub Nakladal, Calgary Flames. Big defender, surprised he is UFA.
  4. R Kris Versteeg, Los Angeles Kings. Small, skilled and gritty.
  5. RD Eric Gryba, Edmonton Oilers. It isn’t over until it is over.
  6. R Justin Fontaine, Minnesota Wild. Under the radar option.
  7. LD Adam Pardy, Edmonton Oilers. He has talent.
  8. R Adam Cracknell, Edmonton Oilers. Big, named Adam.

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ORIENTATION CAMP

I wrote a rather long item about it yesterday over at Oilers Nation. Among the things that should interest us:

  • Jesse Puljujarvi. RW who recently had knee surgery (minor) so very unlikely he will be seen flying down this ice this week in Jasper.
  • Filip Berglund. RHD who has size and puck moving ability. That is a perfect fit for this organization, and he is 19. The man who will forever be known as the return for Justin Schultz could be a year away from entering the system in North America.
  • Markus Niemelainen. LHD with size and good speed. It will be interesting to see just how fast he is—the shutdown side of his game is promising, but a fast big man is a far more substantial prospect than an average one.
  • Drake Caggiula. He should stand out for his skill at this camp, I think he has a chance to play 40 NHL games this coming season.
  • Jaedon Descheneau is a very skilled (small) scorer who might be looking for an AHL deal. Interesting addition.
  • Tyler Benson will make everyone happy if he can skate around the ice at normal speed. That was the only real downside of that selection.
  • Aapeli Rasanen. My pick for most interesting late pick at the recent draft, Rasanen should stand out for all the skill reasons at this camp.
  • Ethan Bear was noticeable a year ago, we should hear more good things this time, including (hopefully) a contract.
  • Caleb Jones is a player I watched closely at Rexall last season. I felt he had good speed a year ago, he clearly had more skill than implied in the scouting reports.

Finally, I attended the Billy Moores Cup a year ago, here are my notes on the players who return this season:

 

  • D William Lagesson. Taller and bigger than I thought he’d be, wiry kid, smooth skater. I like him.
  • D Caleb Jones. Has a better shot than I’d read, needs to fix the sights though. Mobile player, I think his no fuss style probably fits better in a more traditional setting.
  • D Ethan Bear. One of the players I was looking forward to watching, liked his skating and passing. He was a hair reckless with the puck a time or two and lost a physical battle down low (don’t remember opponent) but it was a nice showing.
  • D John Marino: Showed some nice flashes offensively, good speed and a nice shot. Got involved physically, too. You could see his age being a slight issue, but overall a nice job.
  • F Tyler Vesel. Nice passer, very creative.
  • F Luke Esposito. He was involved a lot. Like a whole lot. Drove to the net, passed well. Showed up offensively.

 

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  1. OilClog says:

    Is the new thing to suggest that Lucic won’t be on Mcdavids wing?

    Lucic will be Mcdavids LW, yesterday made that abundantly crystal clear.

  2. Lowetide says:

    OilClog:
    Is the new thing to suggest that Lucic won’t be on Mcdavids wing?

    Lucic will be Mcdavids LW, yesterday made that abundantly crystal clear.

    Forgive me, I missed the coach saying that at the media avail.

  3. metallicat says:

    Nice for Jasper that they’re getting the orientation camp, but I do wish it was in Edmonton. There’s got to be rinks it could have been held at (was at clareview for Hall and Where’s). Oh well.

  4. kinger_OIL says:

    – Great post LT: I still feel the “shell-shock” in your tone…

    – LT says: “I do wonder about the team’s ability to post two fantastic offensive lines now” If the two lines that last year put us 26th in GF, really how fantastic were our “toys”?

    – KT made a nice summary about the dream dying, ie the dream of 80’s style hockey being just too good. I get that, but in this cap world, it doesn’t work

    – Chia was in a bind, sure Subban would have been better, but not if Klef, Drai, pool-party out the door, and in 2 years you have Subban @ $11MM, and McD in the same ball-park

    – We aren’t playoff team yet, and whether its now or next trade-deadline, we will get that other D, and this team would be humming. Say:

    Sek-Burns
    Klef-Larsson
    Nurse-Davidson

  5. Mr DeBakey says:

    Lowetide: Forgive me, I missed the coach saying that at the media avail.

    Get with program, buddy.
    The Coach knows what side his bread is buttered on.
    Lucic changes everything.

  6. Sugar Reijo says:

    Chiarelli’s overhaul to date (not listing McDavid or Puljujarvi):

    In
    Lucic
    Talbot
    Maroon
    Kassian
    Larsson
    Sekera
    Reinhart
    Letestu
    Caggiula
    Gustavsson

    Out
    Hall
    Klinkhammer
    Gordon
    Purcell
    Gazdic
    Ference (LTIR)
    Nikitin
    Schultz
    Marincin
    Aulie
    Nilsson (my thanks to Jonrmcleod)

    Ins and Outs
    Korpikoski
    Pardy
    Cracknell

    Possible in and out
    Gryba

    Without listing the draft picks that went for Talbot and Reinhart, I don’t think I’ve missed anyone (major).

  7. andymaury says:

    Could Montour be the target in a Ducks trade?

  8. Bling says:

    Demers should be signed, even on a slight overpay.

    That would give us two of the top 15 RHD on Woodguy’s list. That is a play-off calibre defence, and possibly even better. Not too many teams have a Brandon Davidson type playing on the third pair.

    The price for a PP QB is too high, and there is enough firepower up front to run a four or five forward PP.

  9. Jethro Tull says:

    People need to move on from the Hall thing. Disagree with it, by all means, vehemently if you must, but move on and try to understand WHY it was made. Seriously, for the good of your health, if you feel the red mist every time you think of the trade, take a step back. It’s a fucking game, and one that we watch, not even play. Think of it as a soap-opera for people who like red meat. Glorious lines such as “….it doesn’t even matter if they win the cup next year, I’ll never forgive Chiarelli for trading Hall….” says more about your character than any salient point you’re trying to make.

    Gustavsson: Perfect back up when you have a dominant #1 goalie. He’s solidly unspectacular. Perfect.

    LHD: Trade probably coming, maybe involving pieces from Bakersfield. This is minor league coverage with a vet that can fill five minutes on the NHL roster if needed. Do not allow it to ruin your day.

    This is Connor’s team now. And we are here.

  10. RMGS says:

    “Will they score enough?”

    How could they score less? 199 goals for should help dispel the myth that the “Hall Oilers” were offensively productive.

  11. NF Oiler says:

    Although Demers would make their d much better, the Oilers need a right hand shot d who can play on the power play..I suspect that is why they backed off on Demers although I’m sure money is too high with rumours of Russell close to signing for 5 million a season with someone..Barrie would be the perfect fit but how do they get him without trading nuge or ebs… 1st round pick , pou, Reinhardt , yak is any of that enough to pry him from a division rival ? Probably not but who knows how contact negotiations will go between him and the aves

  12. Jethro Tull says:

    Bling: Demers should be signed, even on a slight overpay.

    We could be the guys that have the $8M, 25mins a night first pairing and the $12M, 19mins a night second pairing. And Mark Fraser.

  13. HugThePost says:

    When the Bruins won the Cup, who were their 2 offensive drivers?

    They had Bergeron and perhaps Krejci? Savard was on the roster but concussed. Oh yeah, and Lucic was on that team.

    Not buying the doomsday talk of not having 2 offensive drivers. When we had Hall, for all of his offence, we were still horrid. Horrid on paper, horrid to watch.

    Now that Chia has taken major steps towards balancing this team, there is more doom and gloom. I’m not buying into it.

    I’m going to enjoy this version of the oilers because they’ll be more competitive and they won’t be pushed around.

  14. hags437 says:

    LT I love ya you’re starting to lose me. You hate the Taylor Hall trade. Full stop as you put it. I keep hearing about the offense that was lost and how we wil have no one now to drive the team(or perhaps only one driver now). I think everyone overestimated this offensive juggernaut that the Oilers were the last 5 years or so. We kinda stunk if you look at offensive totals. Lucic had 10 less points than Hall last year. Larsson will make up for those 10 points. The Oilers are a better team. You’re dream that Taylor Hall and the gang would lead us to redemption was just that. A dream. The last 10 years has been a nightmare. Don’t forget what Dregor said. Perhaps we are overvaluing Hall and undervaluing Larsson. PK Subban would have cost the future. I’m glad we dodged that bullet. We are a better team today. It just seems that it’s not the type of team that you, Gregor and others want.

  15. Pajamah says:

    andymaury:
    Could Montour be the target in a Ducks trade?

    I’d even do Montour straight up for Reinhart, if GR’s cost last year isn’t a consideration.

    He or Manson, or a throw in to get Fowler.

    No idea of Reinharts worth. Chiarelli seemingly overpaid, but maybe so will Bob Murray.

  16. Mr DeBakey says:

    RMGS:
    “Will they score enough?”

    How could they score less? 199 goals for should help dispel the myth that the “Hall Oilers” were offensively productive.

    The point is, with Hall on the ice the Oilers scored over 50% of the goals.
    With him off the ice, less than 40%.

  17. jonrmcleod says:

    Sugar Reijo,

    In and out: Nilsson

  18. rope-a-dope says:

    LT is the team better? I am genuinely excited for next season. I have always gotten excited for the upcoming season but in the past, deep down I’ve always known that the team couldn’t truly compete.

    Now it’s different, goaltending has been added, good young D added and forwards who can operate in the way the current NHL requires have been added. This team will be better.

  19. Connoreah says:

    LT, you question whether we have 2 scoring lines now that Taylor Hall has been moved out. I look at what we have and can’t help think there are at least 25 teams that would kill for the options available to us at this point.

    Lucic – McDavid – Eberle
    Pouliot – Nuge- Draisaitl

    Or you spread it out with Drai 3rd center, bring Yak and JP into the fold, and still have plenty of fire power.

    What am I missing? I see nothing but nightmare match ups for opposing teams next year.

  20. Bling says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Haha. The Fraser signing reeks of Chia giving MacT/Lowe some trivial task to make them feel like part of the group, only to see them screw it up in a monumentally absurd kind of fashion.

    Those two should retire, good grief.

  21. andymaury says:

    Pajamah,

    I would do that

  22. Lowetide says:

    1. I don’t write to please anyone, so if we disagree that is good. Agreeing on things is boring.
    2. I write about Hall because he is the breaking point from last year to this. I am past the disappointment of the trade, but you will be reading his name on this blog for some time because it frames the issue from old to new.
    3. If I lose you as a reader, it would be disappointing. However, since the reason you drop in is to discuss Oilers, and my opinion is part of that, it makes zero sense to frame my views through your lens. Weird starting point for any conversation.

  23. Lowetide says:

    rope-a-dope:
    LT is the team better? I am genuinely excited for next season. I have always gotten excited for the upcoming season but in the past, deep down I’ve always known that the team couldn’t truly compete.

    Now it’s different, goaltending has been added, good young D added and forwards who can operate in the way the current NHL requires have been added. This team will be better.

    The big item is balance. If Klefbom is healthy, the top pairing, while inexperienced, could be very good at a cost of $8 million. That is a very good addition and does in fact address the horrible lack of balance.

  24. Edmonton_fan says:

    I thought the Las Vegas protected list is 7 / 3 or 8. We already have 3 defensemen on long term contracts. If we get a RD on a long term contract, we lose one defenseman a year from now – or only protect 4 forwards. Maybe I am missing something?

  25. Jethro Tull says:

    Lowetide: Forgive me, I missed the coach saying that at the media avail.

    “The 6-foot-3, 233-pound Lucic, at 28 years old, is one of hockey’s premier power forwards. He will be a fixture on McDavid’s left wing, where a return to 30 goals is hoped for, while on the right side a spot is waiting for 6-foot-3 2016 first-rounder Jesse Puljujarvi to claim.”

    As per Spector, yesterday! It’s a lock!

    Full article: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/lucic-signing-legitimate-game-changer-oilers/

  26. Lowetide says:

    Jethro Tull: “The 6-foot-3, 233-pound Lucic, at 28 years old, is one of hockey’s premier power forwards. He will be a fixture on McDavid’s left wing, where a return to 30 goals is hoped for, while on the right side a spot is waiting for 6-foot-3 2016 first-rounder Jesse Puljujarvi to claim.”

    As per Spector, yesterday!It’s a lock!

    Full article:http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/lucic-signing-legitimate-game-changer-oilers/

    Haha. Well, I am sure he will get plenty of time with 97, but the coach has options.

  27. Bling says:

    Pajamah,

    Ducks are too smart to move Montour for Reinhart.

    I like Montour, but suspect it would take something more substantial than we think. They need a LW.

    Would you do Pouliot for Montour? Use the cap savings to overpay Demers.

  28. Richard S.S. says:

    Who was keeping the opponents honest when McDavid was on the ice, it sure wasn’t Pouliot? I can easily see the Oilers’ Top Line by Season start as Lucic, McDavid and Puljujarvi. That’ a huge improvement.

    How you think is governed by how you are brought up, by who and by where you are raised. At least now Oscar is playing with someone he has more common ground.

    Is this Team better? YES! I think they are, at least, out of the bottom ten.

  29. Connoreah says:

    HugThePost:
    When the Bruins won the Cup, who were their 2 offensive drivers?

    They had Bergeron and perhaps Krejci?Savard was on the roster but concussed.Oh yeah, and Lucic was on that team.

    Not buying the doomsday talk of not having 2 offensive drivers.When we had Hall, for all of his offence, we were still horrid.Horrid on paper, horrid to watch.

    Now that Chia has taken major steps towards balancing this team, there is more doom and gloom.I’m not buying into it.

    I’m going to enjoy this version of the oilers because they’ll be more competitive and they won’t be pushed around.

    ^ my thoughts exactly.

  30. kinger_OIL says:

    Connoreah,

    – If Yak doesn’t get traded: to pump his tires (or find out he’s great) Lucic-McD-Yak

    – Then Pou-RNH-Ebs (“vet” scoring line)

    – The great thing is pool-party, after some time in AHL, he can come up for some pool-partees with one of the top lines….

  31. JimmyV1965 says:

    I do think the Oilers are better than they were a week ago and now have a legit shot at making the playoffs. On the other hand, I also think we are further away from the Stanley Cup because we can no longer ice two lines anchored by superstars. I’m now very scared that Chia will trade RNH. I think that will be a huge blunder because it will slot Drai in a position he’s not ready for. Drai did not look good at Worlds. He was in fact a boat anchor on his German line. To me, this would be standard Oiler logic. Trade experienced vets and expect kids to fill their shoes. I hope JP and Drai realize their potential and develop into superstars, but I’m so sick of hoping for stuff. I’m glad we have a dman like Larsson, but I will never believe that Hall had to go to make it happen. A combo of JP, Drai, RNH, Ebs and draft picks could surely do something. I no longer trust Chia and I’m now waiting for more blunders in the future. It’s kinda a crappy place to be. I can’t wait until the new season starts because we are a better team, but I’m dreading the day Chia really screws it up beyond repair.

  32. bbf_iii says:

    Pajamah: I’d even do Montour straight up for Reinhart, if GR’s cost last year isn’t a consideration.

    He or Manson, or a throw in to get Fowler.

    No idea of Reinharts worth. Chiarelli seemingly overpaid, but maybe so will Bob Murray.

    If I were to rank those defencemen for acquisition by the Oilers, it would be 1. Manson, 2. Montour, 3. Fowler.

    Manson looks to be a wonderful find and I think there is very little chance the Oilers could actually get him.

  33. Gret99zky says:

    Would rather watch the team lose with their favourite player than win without him. #BecauseOilerFan

  34. Professor Q says:

    If they do indeed do a trade for Barrie, how many LHD would they be able to exchange for him to add to the balance? Who would go that would make sense and not potentially hurt Edmonton in the future (yes, I hesitate to give up Nurse, and don’t think he’s on his way out at all)?

  35. Woogie63 says:

    Would James Wisniewski be worth a $2M contract?

    And heard some kid named Shultz who plays RHD, was thought to be a potential Norris trophy candidate and has won a Stanley is on the open market.

  36. Lowetide says:

    Richard S.S.:
    Who was keeping the opponents honest when McDavid was on the ice, it sure wasn’t Pouliot?I can easily see the Oilers’ Top Line by Season start as Lucic, McDavid and Puljujarvi.That’ a huge improvement.

    How you think is governed by how you are brought up, by who and by where you are raised. At least now Oscar is playing with someone he has more common ground.

    Is this Team better? YES! I think they are, at least, out of the bottom ten.

    There is real danger in projecting Puljujarvi onto the top line. It may work out that way, but projecting it—and this early—would be the Oilers repeating the errors of the past. I doubt McLellan considers it until Puljujarvi is more established in the NHL.

  37. Pescador says:

    Good morning LT, & fellow subjects.
    Not one for splitting hairs (as they are getting less & less by the day),
    I see #4 onto the Chiarelli list and #1 on the Extended Play list being the same thing.
    Righty center might be a bridge to far, 2nd line RW is the spot to add for me.
    I don’t think it’s too much to ask for a Veteran RW who can score 15-20, be Defensively responsible & be able to slide up and down the line up. A contract of 3 years for say $7.5-9mil.
    Am I talking about a RH Pouliot?
    Damn, why didn’t I look for examples before posting this?
    **Homer Simpson voice**
    “it’s my first day”

  38. Jethro Tull says:

    Woogie63: And heard some kid named Shultz who plays RHD, was thought to be a potential Norris trophy candidate and has won a Stanley is on the open market.

    Almost got him yesterday, but MacT accidentally sent the text to Fraser.

  39. Andy Dufresne says:

    LT you are right to point out that in losing Hall we lose an elite level driver. What i’m about to say is in no way meant to contradict that.

    Its a funny thing about drivers…..you can have 5 people in a car but only one of them will be the driver. But remove that driver and 10 times out of 10 someone else steps up his game and takes hold of the wheel. We’ve seen that from Nuge in the past (just not consistently) and thier are players with potential like Draisaitl.

    I wont try and predict who it will be and where it will come from (predicting is voodoo) but but by some strange voodoo osmosis that makes sports unpredictable i beleive it will happen.

    Based on that belief, i’m willing to wager “A Woodguy” push on the Paypal button that the Oilers Goal Differential in the 2016-17 season will be better than their Goal Differential from 2015-16.

    (limit of one “woodguy” in total) Any takers?

  40. Woogie63 says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Made me smile

  41. Smithereen says:

    I have been mulling over the low return for Hall and can see this as a plausible scenario. Lucic and Chiarelli are fairly tight based on their past. Perhaps there was a gentlemen’s understanding that Lucic was coming to the Oilers well before the trade deadline and Chiarelli knew he had to make room on LW for him. Which LW do you move. Which LW do you move for Lucic to play with McDavid.

    Then you look at your needs. Trade an LW for a RD. Start shopping. And I believe Chiarelli was shopping hard and the deadline was getting closer and closer and the closest he got was with Montreal and that deal was too much to give.

    I can see where Chiarelli may have painted himself into a bit of a corner and had to make a ‘business’ move to get out of it.

    From what I’ve read on Larsson, there is the potential (I use that deliberately) that our GA will drop and offset the GF that we lost when Hall left.

    As LT says, ‘We wait’.

  42. Andy Dufresne says:

    Lowetide: There is real danger in projecting Puljujarvi onto the top line. It may work out that way, but projecting it—and this early—would be the Oilers repeating the errors of the past. I doubt McLellan considers it until Puljujarvi is more established in the NHL.

    IMHO Puljujarvi will either start the season in the AHL or on a third line with sheltered minutes (but has the pedigree to be a driver in the 2017-18 season)

  43. SumOil says:

    OilClog:
    Is the new thing to suggest that Lucic won’t be on Mcdavids wing?

    Lucic will be Mcdavids LW, yesterday made that abundantly crystal clear.

    Remember when Hall was supposed to be 97’s winger last season.

    Lucic might be better suited with RNH to play PvP role with Eberle
    I will put Pouliot and Yak with 97.

  44. rope-a-dope says:

    Lowetide: The big item is balance. If Klefbom is healthy, the top pairing, while inexperienced, could be very good at a cost of $8 million. That is a very good addition and does in fact address the horrible lack of balance.

    That’s exactly right. When you realise that Chia now has 2 guys who may form a pair for 10 years going forward, the trade becomes acceptable. Not only that but if you did wish to trade Larssen in future he will likely have immense value, he will appreciate from here.

    On another note; Chia is a closer, in 2 off seasons he has brought in some of the best guys available. No one can argue that free agents don’t want to go to Edmonton anymore.. that idea is dead.

  45. SumOil says:

    I will really like PA Parenteau and James Wiz as depth signings today

  46. jm363561 says:

    Mr DeBakey: The point is, with Hall on the ice the Oilers scored over 50% of the goals.
    With him off the ice, less than 40%.
    ============

    I have seen these goals stats before. Has anyone done an analysis of actual results with and without Chance – seems an obvious thing to do for a stats based blog? I have not seen such an analysis and apologise if I have missed it but, in all fairness, there has been a lot to read this week. (I know he played all 82 games this past season). Rikki?

  47. JimmyV1965 says:

    Richard S.S.:
    Who was keeping the opponents honest when McDavid was on the ice, it sure wasn’t Pouliot?I can easily see the Oilers’ Top Line by Season start as Lucic, McDavid and Puljujarvi.That’ a huge improvement.

    How you think is governed by how you are brought up, by who and by where you are raised. At least now Oscar is playing with someone he has more common ground.

    Is this Team better? YES! I think they are, at least, out of the bottom ten.

    On a good team, JP starts in the minors, not on the first line. Unless you are hoping he is already something that he is surely not.

  48. Lowetide says:

    rope-a-dope: That’s exactly right. When you realise that Chia now has 2 guys who may form a pair for 10 years going forward, the trade becomes acceptable. Not only that but if you did wish to trade Larssen in future he will likely have immense value, he will appreciate from here.

    On another note; Chia is a closer, in 2 off seasons he has brought in some of the best guys available. No one can argue that free agents don’t want to go to Edmonton anymore.. that idea is dead.

    It still doesn’t forgive the trade, though. I think that is where people get hung up. I can believe Larsson is a good fit while also knowing it was a terrible trade. And I do believe Peter Chiarelli may be in his final 12 months as GM—and I am a Chiarelli guy!

  49. Andy Dufresne says:

    LT…..your stance on Expantion Draft protection has beennot to worry un-neccisarily about it while trying to set your roster for the coming season. Implying that lots of things can happen between now and draft day, including rules changes and clarification and tricky deals being engineered to avoiod costly loses on draft day.

    Just curious about your views on Davidson and how much (or little) you think hes worth worrying about in terms of draft protection. I dont think its part of your calculus in the short term for building out our defense (ie you think the priority is getting a Barrie over the summer …pleasse correct if Im wrong)

    So what are your thoughts on Davidson and the need (or not) to protect him. Do you not view any D add as a Barrie in Davidson out kind of thing? Are you thinking upgrade if you can because Davidson has value and can be moved for other assets in season next year?

    Just curious…thanks.

  50. SumOil says:

    Let us all not forget that Puljujaarvi was drafted 4th overall in a draft year where the 1st overall pick would have been the third best last season. So lets temper our expectations accordingly for him. Let him start out in the A. Lets not expect him to be an elite driver of play.

  51. Smithereen says:

    “I definitely wasn’t looking to trade Adam Larsson but I may never get a chance again to get Taylor Hall.” – Ray Shero, New Jersey Devils General Manager-

  52. Pescador says:

    Andy Dufresne: IMHOPuljujarvi will either start the season in the AHL or on a third line with sheltered minutes (but has the pedigree to be a driver in the 2017-18 season)

    These are my thoughts exactly. Finally we can effectively shelter a teenage rookie. How nice does this look?
    Maroon Drai Pullporkparty

  53. Professor Q says:

    Lowetide: It still doesn’t forgive the trade, though. I think that is where people get hung up. I can believe Larsson is a good fit while also knowing it was a terrible trade. And I do believe Peter Chiarelli may be in his final 12 months as GM—and I am a Chiarelli guy!

    That could be dangerous. Players are signing with Edmonton because they trust in Chia.

    Canning him over the Hall trade could sour those players as well.

  54. Jethro Tull says:

    Richard S.S.,

    LT is big and ugly enough to fight his own battles, but purely representing myself, from one fellow LTer to another, please let this go.

  55. Professor Q says:

    SumOil:
    Let us all not forget that Puljujaarvi was drafted 4th overall in a draft year where the 1st overall pick would have been the third best last season. So lets temper our expectations accordingly for him. Let him start out in the A. Lets not expect him to be an elite driver of play.

    …Really?

  56. bbf_iii says:

    SumOil:
    Let us all not forget that Puljujaarvi was drafted 4th overall in a draft year where the 1st overall pick would have been the third best last season. So lets temper our expectations accordingly for him. Let him start out in the A. Lets not expect him to be an elite driver of play.

    That was more do with the strength of the top two picks last year than the weakness of this year’s crop of players.

  57. Lowetide says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    LT…..your stance on Expantion Draft protection has beennot to worry un-neccisarily about it while trying to set your roster for the coming season. Implying that lots of things can happen between now and draft day, including rules changes and clarification and tricky deals being engineered to avoiod costly loses on draft day.

    Just curious about your views on Davidson and how much (or little) you think hes worth worrying about in terms of draft protection. I dont think its part of your calculus in the short term for building out our defense (ie you think the priority is getting a Barrie over the summer …pleasse correct if Im wrong)

    So what are your thoughts on Davidson and the need (or not) to protect him. Do you not view any D add as a Barrie in Davidson out kind of thing? Are you thinking upgrade if you can because Davidson has value and can be moved for other assets in season next year?

    Just curious…thanks.

    I still think it is too far away, but for me the worry is not great. Lets say Edmonton loses Brandon Davidson (as an example). The expansion team is going to have a need, be it draft or otherwise. Getting Davidson back is not climbing Everest, and I expect a trade to be made in the traditional manner: The Edmonton Oilers trade Griffin Reinhart to LV for future considerations. And then LV takes Anton Lander. The Oilers could lose that trade, but they would retain Davidson. Or they could risk that Reinhart is chosen instead. Edmonton, sadly, is not so deep that it becomes a major concern. I wish they were, but this is not the case.

    Finally, there is every chance someone will emerge this year and change Edmonton’s protected list. It happens every time. Seriously. I have studied this stuff.

  58. Jethro Tull says:

    SumOil:
    Let us all not forget that Puljujaarvi was drafted 4th overall in a draft year where the 1st overall pick would have been the third best last season. So lets temper our expectations accordingly for him. Let him start out in the A. Lets not expect him to be an elite driver of play.

    And let us not forget that in Yak’s draft year, he may have well been #1.

    It’s a moving target. With a cloaking device.

  59. Kirby says:

    Could the Oilers not still possibly run three pairs (assummung no deals happen from now to the start of the season)?

    Lucic – McDavid
    RNH – Eberle
    Draisaitl – Puljujarvi

    I think we all saw last season McDavid will get his points, regardless of linemates. RNH + Eberle have shown good in the past and can play specifically against the tougher match ups at home. Draisaitl + Puljujarvi get the time and space to play lessor competition, and have both size and solid speed to take advantage of those 3rd/4th line grinders. You can plug and play on the wings as you see fit:

    Lucic – McDavid – Yakupov
    Pouliot – RNH – Eberle
    Maroon – Draisaitl – Puljujarvi
    Hendricks – Letestu – Kassian

    Looks balanced with speed, skill, and size on the top 3 lines, and a 4th which can take 10 minutes a night to crash and bang.

    I really like the look of this. Try to offer multiple draft picks in combination (I would be fine with trading both 2017 + 2018 1st round picks) to get that puck moving D. I would also be open to the threat of an offer sheet (Lindholm would be fantastic) to convince another teams GM to make a trade.

  60. Lowetide says:

    Professor Q: That could be dangerous. Players are signing with Edmonton because they trust in Chia.

    Canning him over the Hall trade could sour those players as well.

    Chiarelli has cashed a major asset for less than 100 cents on the dollar. If you ran a business, would this worry you?

  61. rope-a-dope says:

    Lowetide: It still doesn’t forgive the trade, though. I think that is where people get hung up. I can believe Larsson is a good fit while also knowing it was a terrible trade. And I do believe Peter Chiarelli may be in his final 12 months as GM—and I am a Chiarelli guy!

    What forgives it? A 40 win season? I actually think it’s possible.. The team as it was previously constructed was not capable of that.

  62. dustrock says:

    Don’t want to beat the Hall trade to death, but what if he overpaid Demers and then offer sheeted Lindholm/Barrie/Trouba?

    Then you’re only spending money and future assets and the core is maintained.

    Really don’t understand the aversion to offer sheets.

  63. SumOil says:

    bbf_iii,

    So you legitimately believe JP will be a driver of play in the 2017-18 season as is suggested above and that he is good enough to play in the NHL already?

  64. Lowetide says:

    Richard S.S.:
    Lowetide:

    You are primarily a Family person. You can and should be anything and everything you want to be here.You can’t be a unicorn.

    You are a Media person.You need to be as objective as possible, you cannot be a fan first, but maybe second.Too many Media people are fans first and foremost.You are the proprietor of a renowned Blog.You need to present both sides, but you can, should and must be a fan first.

    What’s the problem?

    Interesting.

  65. Andy Dufresne says:

    Lowetide,

    Wow……this statement has power for me….because when someone whose opinion you respect on hockey and other matters differs so sharply from my own intuitive feelings, it gives me pause and causes me to reflect on what it is I might be missing. I completely get the part where you can like Larsson and Hate the trade…..but the part about Chiarelli is unsettling for me in that it contradicts what my intuition is telling me…..to me he looks Golden for the next two years based on support from a calm and deliberate Bob Nicholson and the fact that Chia has done excactly what he was brought in here to do. Im going to give your perspective some serious thought.

  66. SumOil says:

    Jethro Tull,

    I still dont see an argument for projecting JP onto the NHL roster.

  67. fifthcartel says:

    Not acquiring Subban seems like one of a series of extremely poor and panicked judgements that led to trading Taylor Hall for any young RHD.

    Now maybe Hall would have been part of any Subban package, but it sounds like they wanted Draisaitl, 4th overall (Puljujarvi), and Nurse/Klefbom, which seems like the obvious trade to make, but they were scared of his cap hit? sigh.

    They sound like they were/are terrified of the expansion draft and overvalued the ability to have Nurse/Puljujarvi exempt, but didn’t value having one of best defensemen in the league under contract for years to come.

  68. jonrmcleod says:

    Lowetide: And I do believe Peter Chiarelli may be in his final 12 months as GM—and I am a Chiarelli guy!

    This appears to be wildly pessimistic.

  69. the blogger formerly known as borisnikov says:

    Keep up the good work LT. You continuing to put up with people’s judgements of what you should get over and how you should feel says a lot about the adundance of your character and even more about the lack of character others display.

  70. Lowetide says:

    rope-a-dope: What forgives it? A 40 win season? I actually think it’s possible.. The team as it was previously constructed was not capable of that.

    I think he will have to complete the task now, there is no middle ground. By completing the task, I mean he will have to get that puck-moving defender, have some cover in case Puljujarvi is unready, and be damn well ready to address problems in-season. Winning 40 games would be fabulous, and of course if this team is healthy next season it is doable. PC did not take the easy route, that is for sure. For that, he should be congratulated.

  71. Oil in Cayman says:

    Morning LT, first time poster but long term lurker. Thanks for all these amazing posts you regularly pump out both here and on ON. It certainly makes following the Oil more interesting given the on ice product recently.

    I personally like the Hall trade as I don’t believe it can be viewed in isolation. For me there was always going to be another shoe to drop and that turned out to be Lucic. I don’t believe the trade would have been made if he hadn’t gotten a verbal guarantee from Lucic that he was signing here. Although losing Hall is painful the net gain will make the team significantly better.

    Where do you get the information that Subban was lost as Chai pulled the trigger on the Hall trade? I’ve not heard that before. I just assumed the Hall trade happened only when the Habs made it clear that the package being offered wouldn’t get it done. As great a player Subban is I’d rather not have lost half the team for him anyway.

    Keep up the great work. Same to all of the other regular posters who have taught me a lot about hockey in general as well as the analytical side of things.

  72. Jethro Tull says:

    Lowetide: Chiarelli has cashed a major asset for less than 100 cents on the dollar. If you ran a business, would this worry you?

    The overall net result of this off-season and the finish next season will define Chia’s tenure.

    If Larsson scores 10 goals and puts up 20 assists whilst helping to reduce the goal diff, then that trade starts looking better through the lens of hindsight.

    If Lucic scores 25 and puts up 35 assists whilst being defensively responsible and protecting McDavid?

    No any one player replaces Hall. But just by being better on the back end will grease the wheels somewhere else. Hall sawed off against everybody. Larsson sawed off against these guys called Crosby, Ovechkin etc.

  73. dustrock says:

    Richard S.S.:
    Lowetide:

    You are primarily a Family person. You can and should be anything and everything you want to be here.You can’t be a unicorn.

    You are a Media person.You need to be as objective as possible, you cannot be a fan first, but maybe second.Too many Media people are fans first and foremost.You are the proprietor of a renowned Blog.You need to present both sides, but you can, should and must be a fan first.

    What’s the problem?

    Thanks Dad.

  74. letmycamerongo says:

    If it’s between signing Wisniewski or trading for Barrie, JW and Nuge > Barrie.

    Hell they could sign both Demers and Wisniewski still. Try to move Fayne out for picks or keep him for the inevitable injury plague coverage.

    Klef Demers
    Sekera Larsson
    Davidson Wisniewski

    Pretty good right?

  75. Jethro Tull says:

    SumOil:
    Jethro Tull,

    I still dont see an argument for projecting JP onto the NHL roster.

    No, but you were using the comparatives of previous drafts to project JP’s competence. I highlighted that maybe that’s not such a cut and dried thing.

  76. Eh Team says:

    The problem with the Hall Oilers was never the top two lines. If you are running Letestu and Lander as the 3rd and 4th line centers you are in a world of trouble. So if Drai plays on the wing on the top two lines, you will have two other lines that will hardly ever score. If you run Drai as the third centre, you need actual NHL proven wingers with him. Otherwise you are expecting Drai to drive the line.

    The Oilers aren’t deep enough with forwards yet. They need to add an legit NHL centre so that Drai can play with skill and they need another decent winger (Parenteau or someone like that).

  77. Jethro Tull says:

    dustrock: You can’t be a unicorn.

    Possibly one of the greatest lines ever uttered here…..

  78. Bag of Pucks says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    This team sold Gretzky and that was eventually revealed as the actions of a greedy owner.

    This team traded Smyth and that was eventually revealed as the actions of incompetent and petty management.

    This team traded Hall and apparently this will eventually be revealed as the fault of the player: locker room cancer, uncoachable, wrong position at the wrong time, etc.

    Owner. Management. Player. lol. The ‘team’ is the thread that unites them.

    “it’s just business.” This is the mantra that has come to define the Edmonton Oilers as an organization. Coffey. Gretzky. Messier. Weight. Smyth. Hall. Connor? No one plays their entire career for this team. Every one is expendable for the right price, or in the right circumstances.

    There is no Derek Jeter or Kobe Bryant or Walter Payton or Jean Beliveau moment with this team. That day never comes. Loyalty to this team buys a ticket out of town when the greatest players least expect it….every…single….time.

    This team finally had a chance to do it right, with class, and it failed miserably. Again.

    I have no idea why any player would be loyal to this team given its history. The pomp and circumstance ceremonies hide the true rot at the core of this organization. “It’s just business.”

    This team didn’t deserve McJesus, but they have him. Today that seems eerily appropriate. This is a franchise sorely in need of redemption.

    Reposting this from another thread as I feel putting the Hall trade in proper historical context is important. The ‘indictment’ of Hall continued to a certain extent in yesterday’s presser with Chia’s references to a change in ‘attitude’ as a result of the recent transactions.

    Yes, it’s only a game. Or is it only a business? Depends who you talk to I guess. So, we probably should just ‘get over this.’ But this team’s treatment of Hall disgusts me, especially because of the fact that he was dealt this hand cos he’s the only one of this failed core that had any trade value. In essence, this organization punished him for being a good and loyal soldier.

    I get it. Winning is all that matters for some fans and this week’s moves likely get us closer to that. But some of us would like to see something more in our most cherished institutions. i don’t think loyalty to your best players is too much to ask. Anyone notice that the Lightning resigned Stamkos?

  79. Andy Dufresne says:

    Richard S.S.,

    Richard,

    You have no right to impune LTs charachter as a broadcaster/blogger this way. You’re just wrong man!

    LT has built a public persona that is unique in the broadcast space. It is a carefully cultivated entity full of thoughtfulness, intellect, humility, skill, craft, experience and humour. He has built somehting here that people admire and deeply appreciate. You’re remarks are offensive to me. I urge you to reconsider and apologize.

  80. dustrock says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Lowetide,

    Wow……this statement has power for me….because when someone whose opinionyou respect on hockey and other matters differs so sharply from my own intuitive feelings, it gives me pause and causesme to reflect on what it is I might be missing. I completely get the part where you can like Larsson and Hate the trade…..but the part about Chiarelli is unsettling for me in that it contradicts what my intuition is telling me…..to me he looks Golden for the next two years based on support from a calm and deliberate Bob Nicholson and the fact that Chia has done excactly what he was brought in here to do. Im going to give your perspective some serious thought.

    Chiarelli was brought in to provide some bona fides in terms of management. He was also brought in to make some tough decisions under McDavid’s ELC.

    That said, if the Oilers are again eliminated early, Year 1 in Stodgers Place, the fans would demand a blood price. And the trade for Hall, plus some other questionable moves, would lead the mob to Chiarelli.

  81. Melman says:

    I don’t think Todd will do it, but given Yak’s play with 97 last year, running:

    Lucic-McD-Yak
    Pou-Nuge-Ebs
    Maroon-Drai-xxx(JP/Kassian/Slepy)

    Looks like a headache to play against

    Edit: Yak at $2.5 is a nice contract to have in the top 9

  82. OilClog says:

    Arg, no one is trying to piss anyone off.. But the Oilers just signed the premier power forward in the league, and easily now our best left wing.

    So suggesting he plays anywhere else but 1LW beside McDavid as this junction, seems incredibly, blind? Ignorant? What is it?

    Lucic is the 1LW, yesterday signing didn’t need the damn coach to say anything about it.

  83. cabbiesmacker says:

    Lowetide: There is real danger in projecting Puljujarvi onto the top line. It may work out that way, but projecting it—and this early—would be the Oilers repeating the errors of the past. I doubt McLellan considers it until Puljujarvi is more established in the NHL.

    Lowetide:

    but the coach has options.

    Yes. Yes he does.

  84. dustrock says:

    Jethro Tull: Possibly one of the greatest lines ever uttered here…..

    If there’s one thing that My Little Pony has taught me, it’s that friendship is magic.

  85. JimmyV1965 says:

    Richard S.S.:
    Lowetide:

    You are primarily a Family person. You can and should be anything and everything you want to be here.You can’t be a unicorn.

    You are a Media person.You need to be as objective as possible, you cannot be a fan first, but maybe second.Too many Media people are fans first and foremost.You are the proprietor of a renowned Blog.You need to present both sides, but you can, should and must be a fan first.

    What’s the problem?

    I don’t get this. Chia has now proven, with numerous questionable moves on two different teams, that his competence as a GM should be in question. That to me is being objective.

  86. Jethro Tull says:

    Bag of Pucks: i don’t think loyalty to your best players is too much to ask.

    Like they were loyal to Lowe, MacTavish, Buchberger, Smith etc, who all landed jobs within the organisation after playing? I think the problem is that it was so subjective; it mattered if they liked you or not, not whether you were a good hockey player.

    They were loyal…..just to the wrong people.

  87. cabbiesmacker says:

    Jethro Tull: Almost got him yesterday, but MacT accidentally sent the text to Fraser.

    On his fax line.

  88. Frank the dog says:

    metallicat:
    Nice for Jasper that they’re getting the orientation camp, but I do wish it was in Edmonton. There’s got to be rinks it could have been held at (was at clareview for Hall and Where’s). Oh well.

    Have you seen the prices in Jasper this summer? B&B’s charging $230. Cramped hotel rooms at $300+, and literally almost nothing available. Perhaps move it to Leduc.

  89. jm363561 says:

    SumOil:
    bbf_iii,

    So you legitimately believe JP will be a driver of play in the 2017-18 season as is suggested above and that he is good enough to play in the NHL already?

    ======

    A quick scan of any day’s postings will show this is the majority view – I think a post above even has JP on the top line. In all fairness he has now turned 18, speaks a bit of English, and has probably seen the smaller North American rinks on YouTube. Based on recent experiences of catapulting young players (not called Hall or McDavid) straight into the roster what is there to possibly worry about?

  90. Richard S.S. says:

    Lowetide,

    My most humble apologies, it was not intended to be offensive.

  91. Connoreah says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I do think the Oilers are better than they were a week ago and now have a legit shot at making the playoffs. On the other hand, I also think we are further away from the Stanley Cup because we can no longer ice two lines anchored by superstars.I’m now very scared that Chia will trade RNH. I think that will be a huge blunder because it will slot Drai in a position he’s not ready for.Drai did not look good at Worlds. He was in fact a boat anchor on his German line.To me, this would be standard Oiler logic. Trade experienced vets and expect kids to fill their shoes. I hope JP and Drai realize their potential and develop into superstars, but I’m so sick of hoping for stuff. I’m glad we have a dman like Larsson, but I will never believe that Hall had to go to make it happen. A combo of JP, Drai, RNH, Ebs and draft picks could surely do something. I no longer trust Chia and I’m now waiting for more blunders in the future.It’s kinda a crappy place to be. I can’t wait until the new season starts because we are a better team, but I’m dreading the day Chia really screws it up beyond repair.

    So you would have preferred to keep a top NHL LW in Hall, and lose 2 of our 3 centres and 2 very talented, top 6 young RWs for one dman? If you think we’re going to have trouble filling the hole left by Hall how on earth would we have filled the 4 gaping holes you would have moved out instead?

  92. Professor Q says:

    Lowetide: Chiarelli has cashed a major asset for less than 100 cents on the dollar. If you ran a business, would this worry you?

    Yes, and it isn’t the only instance. But if you made it even worse, would that not worry you further?

  93. Gordies Elbow says:

    Lowetide: Chiarelli has cashed a major asset for less than 100 cents on the dollar. If you ran a business, would this worry you?

    Not at all.

    All of the other GM’s in the league knew what Edmonton’s weakness was, first pairing right defenders that fit in the McDavid cluster. If I were another GM, I would have expected that I could extract an overpayment, especially with the McDavid ELC window. Chiarelli did as expected and overpaid, and filled the hole he created with a free agent he knows.

    Edmonton has a much stronger team this week than before the draft.

  94. Mtl-oiler says:

    LT do you know if the injury sustained by Jesse P. was back in March.

    https://www.nhl.com/news/jesse-puljujarvi-out-with-lower-body-injury/c-279500182

    or is it unrelated to the knee surgery?

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/knee-injury-could-keep-top-prospect-puljujarvi-out-until-training-camp/

    In either case would it not be the best thing for him to definitely start in the AHL just like Mikko Rantanen did this year.

  95. cabbiesmacker says:

    SumOil:

    I will put Pouliot and Yak with 97.

    So Pouliot and McDavid to the press box then?

  96. Water Fire says:

    Jethro Tull:
    People need to move on from the Hall thing.Disagree with it, by all means, vehemently if you must, but move on and try to understand WHY it was made.Seriously, for the good of your health, if you feel the red mist every time you think of the trade, take a step back.It’s a fucking game, and one that we watch, not even play.Think of it as a soap-opera for people who like red meat.Glorious lines such as “….it doesn’t even matter if they win the cup next year, I’ll never forgive Chiarelli for trading Hall….” says more about your character than any salient point you’re trying to make.

    Gustavsson:Perfect back up when you have a dominant #1 goalie.He’s solidly unspectacular.Perfect.

    LHD:Trade probably coming, maybe involving pieces from Bakersfield.This is minor league coverage with a vet that can fill five minutes on the NHL roster if needed.Do not allow it to ruin your day.

    This is Connor’s team now.And we are here.

    Do you feel that way about soccer or cricket or whatever your childhood home town team sport passion is/was? I ask seriously.

    Of course nobody knows, but I fully believe your comment ‘this is Connor’s team now’ is at the heart of the matter and that is why this trade offends me at a deep level, that normally Oiler idiocy doesn’t.

    It isn’t one trade, it is a clear and ominous signal that somehow the same mentality persists despite Nicholson and Chiarelli. Those two men represented new hope for a very long suffering fan base who had the spectacle of the league’s most incompetent managers destroying anything of value.

    Chiarelli has now done exactly the same thing wit the best player on the team.

    Hall is gone but Eberle is still there.

    Mark Fraser.

    Pain.

  97. Lowetide says:

    Mtl-oiler:
    LT do you know if the injury sustained by Jesse P. was back in March.

    https://www.nhl.com/news/jesse-puljujarvi-out-with-lower-body-injury/c-279500182

    or is it unrelated to the knee surgery?

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/knee-injury-could-keep-top-prospect-puljujarvi-out-until-training-camp/

    In either case would it not be the best thing for him to definitely start in the AHL just like Mikko Rantanen did this year.

    We don’t know. There is no way we can really know until the fall. He looked fabulous in the spring when he was playing, so I would guess the team is just being cautious (if he doesn’t skate at the orientation camp).

    As an aside, Jason Gregor went over the Klefom skate recently and reiterated that the team felt he would be fine in the fall. Day one of his skate was difficult, but by day four he was looking good and feeling better about things. Such a weird injury.

  98. The Trade Guy says:

    Smithereen:
    “I definitely wasn’t looking to trade Adam Larsson but I may never get a chance again to get Taylor Hall.” – Ray Shero, New Jersey Devils General Manager-

    Its a good quote and I read it another way. PC had a list of RHD he thought were game changers and went after them. Apart from PK I bet none of the GMs were really intending or wanting to move any of them.

    Its a pretty amazing trade in some ways. Taylor Hall pretty much is what he is. Does AL have another gear. In three years time if Taylor is doing what he does and Adam Larsson is a beast playing 25 minutes a night doing everything we’d hoped. That’s a pretty damn good hockey trade even if there is still a bit of an if there.

  99. hags437 says:

    The Oilers were never going to win with the three kids as the centre of the team. And to say well they could have with the right pieces around them..ie D that can stop a cycle and move the puck. How do you get those? You draft and develop (epic fail) or you try and trade for someone that can hopefully become that (Larsson). It costs dearly. What has the hockey world been screaming forever? The Oilers will have to trade one or two of those kids. Now that it’s happening the sky is falling. I chuckle at people who are forecasting dark days ahead. What the hell has the last 10 years been then?? Lol. Oiler fans are the best..I should know. I’m one of them

  100. Lowetide says:

    Richard S.S.:
    Lowetide,

    My most humble apologies, it was not intended to be offensive.

    No worries, and I sincerely apologize if I misunderstood (which is often what happens in these cases).

  101. David says:

    Lowetide: Chiarelli has cashed a major asset for less than 100 cents on the dollar. If you ran a business, would this worry you?

    However it is possible he acquired an asset that’s value will appreciate. If Larsson isn’t finished yet and progresses to a Hedman like place the trade will be good. That’s what Chiarelli is banking on, that’s what I will judge him on. He was saying that Larsson isn’t where Hall is now but he believes he’ll get there. If he does get there to me it vindicates Chiarelli.

  102. blainer says:

    Lowetide: There is real danger in projecting Puljujarvi onto the top line. It may work out that way, but projecting it—and this early—would be the Oilers repeating the errors of the past. I doubt McLellan considers it until Puljujarvi is more established in the NHL.

    I think the Oil do have their 2nd river pusher with Puly.. calling him Puly cause I think he will be able to pull a line on his own very soon.

    If Puly had been played at center and stayed healthy I believe its possible he would have been drafted 1st overall as a RT shot center. Defiantly would not have fallen to us at four.

    I can see the oil moving him to the middle before his ELC is up. Would be nice if they sent him to the A and got him started right away there to see how he does but suspect he makes the team out of camp with the trade of hall.

    Man this team will be one of the biggest teams in the league by Xmas. Actually very happy about the Lucic Larsson swap for Hall. We now have a great mix of vets and youngins.

  103. Primetime says:

    OilClog:
    Arg, no one is trying to piss anyone off.. But the Oilers just signed the premier power forward in the league, and easily now our best left wing.

    So suggesting he plays anywhere else but 1LW beside McDavid as this junction, seems incredibly, blind? Ignorant? What is it?

    Lucic is the 1LW, yesterday signing didn’t need the damn coach to say anything about it.

    Hall was 1LW and one of the top 3 LW in the entire league and played on a different line than McD. How is running 2 legit lines so hard to understand? Isn’t it possible/potentially smart to run Lucic with RNH against the toughs and let McD get some softer competition? At least at home with more control over match ups?

  104. bbf_iii says:

    SumOil:
    bbf_iii,

    So you legitimately believe JP will be a driver of play in the 2017-18 season as is suggested above and that he is good enough to play in the NHL already?

    That’s not the argument I was making. I was only saying that it is unfair to devalue JP and the others in this draft simply because McDavid and Eichel were born earlier.

  105. cabbiesmacker says:

    SumOil:
    Let us all not forget that Puljujaarvi was drafted 4th overall in a draft year where the 1st overall pick would have been the third best last season. So lets temper our expectations accordingly for him. Let him start out in the A. Lets not expect him to be an elite driver of play.

    Because every first line NHL player is an elite drive of play right?

    I love how some people get hung up on top lines being carved in stone versus what really happens.

  106. Bag of Pucks says:

    ‘What’s Worse’ Fan Poll

    1) Getting fired over Skype when the GM was supposedly interviewing your assistant?
    Or
    2) Getting traded to a crappy team in the swamps of Jersey on the precipice of the new arena opening?

    Ladies and gentlemen, your Edmonton Oilers. They put the ‘ass’ in ‘Class.’

  107. Connoreah says:

    Lowetide: Chiarelli has cashed a major asset for less than 100 cents on the dollar. If you ran a business, would this worry you?

    Not if the market wasn’t paying 100 cents on the dollar exchanging a LW for a RHD, and more importantly, certainly not if we make a push for the playoffs this year. The idea that he will be fired in 12 months assumes that we finish in the bottom three again. If we are anywhere within sniffing distance of a playoff spot next year Chia is locked in for the long-term. I’m betting that’s the more realistic scenario.

  108. Sugar Reijo says:

    Lowetide: Chiarelli has cashed a major asset for less than 100 cents on the dollar. If you ran a business, would this worry you?

    How much less than 100 cents on the dollar though is it given the value of RH defencemen? I know a lot of people figure packaging Eberle with a draft pick and Yak will get you a top pairing guy, but based on Johansen/Jones and the Nuge/Dumba talk I don’t think Chiarelli was blowing smoke when he said this is what the market is.

    I hate to see Hall go but think the Larsson bet’s a good one.

  109. stush18 says:

    Jethro Tull: The overall net result of this off-season and the finish next season will define Chia’stenure.

    If Larsson scores 10 goals and puts up 20 assists whilst helping to reduce the goal diff, then that trade starts looking better through the lens of hindsight.

    If Lucic scores 25 andputs up 35 assists whilst being defensively responsible and protecting McDavid?

    No any one player replaces Hall.But just by being better on the back end will grease the wheels somewhere else.Hall sawed off against everybody.Larsson sawed off against these guys called Crosby, Ovechkin etc.

    Larsson was either dominating (maybe a strong word), or at least sawing off against probably the toughest players in the east.

    I don’t normally hold a lot of water to QoC or where a player starts at one end. I think the best way to look at these stats is to view them like +/-. Unless they are wildly different from everyone else on the team, like yaks -32, then you can’t really glean much information from them. You need to add more to the picture.

    That being said, starting 70% of your shifts in the defensive end, while maintaining positive possessions numbers against players like Crosby, giroux, or malkin is extremely encouraging.

  110. Frank the dog says:

    Bling:
    Demers should be signed, even on a slight overpay.

    That would give us two of the top 15 RHD on Woodguy’s list. That is a play-off calibre defence, and possibly even better. Not too many teams have a Brandon Davidson type playing on the third pair.

    The price for a PP QB is too high, and there is enough firepower up front to run a four or five forward PP.

    We can be pretty sure that Chia has a “maximum worth” of each target. If PK is that good, why did Montreal trade him 1 for 1? I am glad that Nashville will eventually be able to answer that question. We’ve discovered the hard way why too many players were traded to us.
    We are close to aware what Mtl were asking for Subban. It sure wasn’t just Hall or just Drai. I suggest that the ask was too high and that Chia wisely left that as a last option, and perhaps not even that.
    judging from past data points I would suggest that Chia would rather have got Demers for just money, without losing Hall, but that Demers asked more than is max worth to Chia, so Cha turned to what then, believe it or not, became the better option. Trading Hall for a lower paid but likely better RHD. The fact that Demers was left hanging does indicate either sideburns, body language, eye glow or excessive ask. I suspect the latter.
    Finally, while we don’t know what made Subban expendable, nor do we know what made Hall expendable. Perhaps just tat on the balance, the need for a top 2 RHD was greater than a second offensive river pusher, given the lack of top end RHD talent and the depth of LW talent. I agree with those saying that Lucic + Larsson is worth more to the team than Hall was. As good as he is.

  111. SumOil says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    There were 2 different posters one of whom was projecting JP on the top line and the other called him driver of play starting 17-18 season. I think both are being ambitious

  112. Jethro Tull says:

    Chia’s main deficiency seems to be his complete lack of compeltitude.

    He wanted high end RHD and maybe, just maybe, from every team the return was the same: Hall.

    And Chia just couldn’t compelt anybody to give us their stud RHD for Yak and Pouliot and a 3rd rounder.

  113. Lowetide says:

    David: However it is possible he acquired an asset that’s value will appreciate. If Larsson isn’t finished yet and progresses to a Hedman like place the trade will be good. That’s what Chiarelli is banking on, that’s what I will judge him on. He was saying that Larsson isn’t where Hall is now but he believes he’ll get there. If he does get there to me it vindicates Chiarelli.

    Oh sure. Hey, I am a PC fan and an Oilers fan, and despite his going against my wishes 🙂 it could work out. That said, if:

    1. Lucic is not as effective as hoped
    2. The goalies go awol because of equipment changes impact
    3. Injuries inflict righteous and vicious impact ala last year
    4. The Oilers spend the season mired in 26-30th place

    then this blog will be heavily populated with people mad as hell about the Hall trade, the Lucic signing and anything else handy. Chiarelli has the courage of his convictions, I respect that about him. The transactions of the last week put him WAY out there, and he should be congratulated if it works out—and will be, by this blog.

  114. Zack says:

    What would an offer sheet to Hampus Lindholm be priced at?

    Over $3,755,233 to $5,632,847 / First-round and third-round choice (Anahiem would probably match)
    Over $5,632,847 to $7,510,464 / First-round, second-round and third-round choice (I’m guessing here)
    Over $7,510,464 to $9,388,080 / Two first-round choices, one second- and one third-round choice
    Over $9,388,080 / Four first-round choices (Can’t see it being in this range)

    Could you imagine?

    Lucic – McDavid – Yakupov
    Pouliot – RNH – Eberle
    Maroon – Draisaitl – Puljujarvi
    Hendricks – Letestu – Kassian

    Klefbom – Larsson
    Sekera – Lindholm
    Davidson – Fayne

    Talbot
    Monster

    Not quite “perfect” but something nice. I’d still like to see a “Pisani type” or 3rd line defensive/face-off specialist with speed.

    Is that possible? General Fanager says we are still without 2017 2nd rounder.

  115. Rondo says:

    Lowetide: Chiarelli has cashed a major asset for less than 100 cents on the dollar. If you ran a business, would this worry you?

    You build a team with different parts not all the same .Chia felt the deficiencies in D outweighed the talent up front and he took what he thought was the best D including age he could get for Hall. That is the market.

  116. Primetime says:

    The Mayor John Hoven @mayorNHL
    Ducks and Oilers working a trade?

    Any chance of a Pouliot for Fowler trade (plus or minus parts)?

    Then options could include:

    1) Sekera playing RD with Fowler on second pairing?

    2) Flipping Fowler (LD) to Avs for Barrie (RD)? (cost certainty/new power play QB for Avs)

    3) Bringing Jets into the mix in 3 way trade: Fowler (Jets)/ Trouba (Avs)/ Barrie (Oil)?
    Everyone gets what they want (Jets balance out top 4 LD/RD)

    If any of that could be done without touching Nuge I would be ecstatic

  117. Water Fire says:

    Gordies Elbow: Not at all.

    All of the other GM’s in the league knew what Edmonton’s weakness was, first pairing right defenders that fit in the McDavid cluster. If I were another GM, I would have expected that I could extract an overpayment, especially with the McDavid ELC window. Chiarelli did as expected and overpaid, and filled the hole he created with a free agent he knows.

    Edmonton has a much stronger team this week than before the draft.

    This argument I don’t buy. Chiarelli said he had to be patient for the right deal. Trading his best player for a loss is that?

    I’m not buying the spin that The Oilers and Shero are selling. The Subban deal was ugly for Montreal, but it can be understood in value exchanged, a horrible contract gone, and no cap repercussions on Weber’s bad contract. Nashville gets a younger more dynamic player and has a D to cover him.

    Where is the logic in the Hall trade? Subban was dumped because of his personality. The only thing that I can add to the Hall trade that makes sense is a poorly executed version of the Subban dump.

    If it was salary Eberle makes 6 as well. It would be hard to convince me that for a second tier, unproven, non-offensive first pair RHD, that another high scoring winger in Eberle, the 2017 first and a D prospect wouldn’t be enough to get him.

    That drastic overpay leaves the Oilers a better team. That is how you overpay to get what you want without blowing your foot off. Foot gone.

  118. godot10 says:

    Bling:
    Jethro Tull,

    Haha. The Fraser signing reeks of Chia giving MacT/Lowe some trivial task to make them feel like part of the group, only to see them screw it up in a monumentally absurd kind of fashion.

    Those two should retire, good grief.

    The Fraser signing is to have a veteran mentor D in Bakersfield in case Musil gets traded or claimed on waivers in October.

  119. stush18 says:

    Is Larsson the new driver instead of hall?

    What makes a player a “driver” exactly? I would say someone who consistently pushes the puck out of their end against the other teams best. After that you would hope for some offense.

    I’m going to assume the toughs will be split this year between Klef-Larsson and sekera-fayne. Larsson won’t be seeing the defensive end as much, simply because Klef is probably our best offensive option.

    Now I’ll let someone else show his most common linemates and opponents, and do a better job explaining whether or not he is a driver, or will become ine

  120. Jethro Tull says:

    Does anybody know if Drew Stafford is available? 😉

  121. JimmyV1965 says:

    I also don’t understand the narrative that trading Hall took guts. Trading an elite player for 75 cents on the dollar is easy. What truly takes guts is offer sheeting an RFA and getting very good value on a player. I believe most GMs are afraid to do this simply because they don’t want to rock the boat and be the bad guy at the next meeting of super cool so smart NHL executives. That takes guts.

  122. Primetime says:

    godot10: The Fraser signing is to have a veteran mentor D in Bakersfield in case Musil gets traded or claimed on waivers in October.

    As mentioned previously, then sign him to an AHL only contract. Why waste a spot on the 50 man roster? Can’t imagine Fraser had so many other offers….

  123. hags437 says:

    Water Fire,

    How do you know for certain that Hall was traded for a loss. That seems to be the common thread here. PC lost the Hall trade horribly. We don’t know that yet.

  124. blainer says:

    Lowetide: It still doesn’t forgive the trade, though. I think that is where people get hung up. I can believe Larsson is a good fit while also knowing it was a terrible trade. And I do believe Peter Chiarelli may be in his final 12 months as GM—and I am a Chiarelli guy!

    Ha ! I said this last year after he wasted a year. If this team does not make the playoffs he will be fired. K lowe always makes sure their is someone there to take the fall.

    The gamble Chia made is very risky for job security so I gotta say the man has Balls.

    On the flip side IF Larsson emerges as a number 1 D this year at both ends of the ice he will come out looking like a genius as Hall would not get a player like that on his own.

    The ultimate risk reward move. I am happy he is making changes and have now moved on from Taylor Hall.

    He HAS to balance out the left/right D. Once that happens watch out if he can do it without giving up much.

    Suspect he may just wait and offer Wiz a tryout at camp or hopefully sign Demers to a Franson type contract later in the summer if he is still there.

  125. Philosophil says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I do think the Oilers are better than they were a week ago and now have a legit shot at making the playoffs. On the other hand, I also think we are further away from the Stanley Cup because we can no longer ice two lines anchored by superstars.I’m now very scared that Chia will trade RNH. I think that will be a huge blunder because it will slot Drai in a position he’s not ready for.Drai did not look good at Worlds. He was in fact a boat anchor on his German line.To me, this would be standard Oiler logic. Trade experienced vets and expect kids to fill their shoes. I hope JP and Drai realize their potential and develop into superstars, but I’m so sick of hoping for stuff. I’m glad we have a dman like Larsson, but I will never believe that Hall had to go to make it happen. A combo of JP, Drai, RNH, Ebs and draft picks could surely do something. I no longer trust Chia and I’m now waiting for more blunders in the future.It’s kinda a crappy place to be. I can’t wait until the new season starts because we are a better team, but I’m dreading the day Chia really screws it up beyond repair.

    Agree with much of this. Oilers more likely to make the playoffs, less potential to hoist Lord Stanley’s mug. I read “Peter Chiarelli and the problem with tunnel vision (Trending Topics)” at sports.yahoo.com (via Archaeologuy) this morning and it gave me pause for thought. Maybe PC wasn’t flexible enough to reframe the problem (must trade Hall before signing Lucic) given other variables like looming CMD and LD contracts.
    Its also been written that his Stanley Cup in Boston was the result of previous administration moves.
    le sigh…same as it ever was.

  126. godot10 says:

    Edmonton_fan:
    I thought the Las Vegas protected list is 7 / 3 or 8. We already have 3 defensemen on long term contracts. If we get a RD on a long term contract, we lose one defenseman a year from now – or only protect 4 forwards. Maybe I am missing something?

    The OIlers only have 4 forwards that are worth protecting or necessary to protect. Lucic, Nugent-Hopkins, Eberle, Draisaitl.

    Pouliot will be 30 with two years left…not a part of the long term future. In fact, he may go for Vatanen this week, if the eastern teams don’t offer more for Fowler.

    Maroon isn’t anything special.

    The Oilers will be protecting 4D and 4 forwards.

  127. LMHF#1 says:

    Wow, the weirdos are out. Don’t sweat it LT, anyone who’s telling you you’re doing YOUR thing wrong ain’t worth a second. I’m sure you’re used to it by now and it is if anything worse in messages/emails but that doesn’t make it any more acceptable to see.

    On a different, you know, hockey discussion note – still like Hudler or Gagner if they move a forward for D help.

    Though my preference at this point would be an offer sheet.

  128. Pouzar says:

    Buh bye Demers

  129. Water Fire says:

    HugThePost:
    When the Bruins won the Cup, who were their 2 offensive drivers?

    They had Bergeron and perhaps Krejci?Savard was on the roster but concussed.Oh yeah, and Lucic was on that team.

    Not buying the doomsday talk of not having 2 offensive drivers.When we had Hall, for all of his offence, we were still horrid.Horrid on paper, horrid to watch.

    Now that Chia has taken major steps towards balancing this team, there is more doom and gloom.I’m not buying into it.

    I’m going to enjoy this version of the oilers because they’ll be more competitive and they won’t be pushed around.

    ~They’ve been a real juggernaut since their 7th game OT win total domination of the Canucks. No bad trades that have gutted their young talent either. AND a fantastically gritastical Backes UFA signing. First line money for 3rd line production. AND term for an old guy. Genius.~

    Frankly Chiarelli referencing his former success is frightening. The league has changed a lot since the Bruins last won and the Bruins formula has failed badly since.

    Being tough has value but not at a loss of skill. Ask LA lately or the Blues ever.

  130. fifthcartel says:

    Demers 4.5m x 5. What a good deal.

  131. Oddspell says:

    Dang, I’d take that Demers contract any day.

    Come on, Wiz!

  132. hags437 says:

    Demers to the Panthers. Damn you PC!! You screwed up again! We should have signed him, kept Hall! Not make changes! Loud noises!!!

  133. Gordies Elbow says:

    Water Fire: This argument I don’t buy. Chiarelli said he had to be patient for the right deal. Trading his best player for a loss is that?

    Best player? They traded McDavid?

    If I were one of the other general managers, I’d love for Chiarelli to be patient, as he burns through McDavid, Draisaitl, Nurse, etc. entry level contracts. I would hope that Edmonton continues to keep it’s unbalanced roster, and burn through as many years as they have since they drafted Hall.

    Shero clearly said that aside from McDavid, he wasn’t going to trade Larsson for any other assets. Edmonton needed Larsson, and knew that they would have a compelling pitch for Lucic to fill the hole created.

    It was clearly an overpay, but a needed one. The Hall window was never balanced. Chiarelli is making sure that McDavid doesn’t suffer the same fate.

  134. Andy Dufresne says:

    Lowetide,

    In this case, I’m not sure the move causes “worry” (as in questioning Chiarellis judegement)….angst yes, sleepless nights probably. I think in business it would be viewed as the price you pay to fix past transgressions. In business, if you make mistakes you need to own up to them quickly and affect a repair. Unfortunately by the nature of business, the opportuntiy to affect the reapir seldom comes at a time that is cost effective.

    The management team (I believe almost certainly by consensus) would view this as giving up ground that was hard fought for in order to consolidate thier position.

  135. Jethro Tull says:

    hags437:
    Demers to the Panthers. Damn you PC!! You screwed up again! We should have signed him, kept Hall! Not make changes! Loud noises!!!

    He should be fired! Nobody should sign players we want!

    I think Demers may have asked for too much from Edmonton.

  136. SumOil says:

    With that excellent demers signing this off season keeps crushing my soul

  137. Pouzar says:

    blainer: On the flip side IF Larsson emerges as a number 1 D this year at both ends of the ice he will come out looking like a genius as Hall would not get a player like that on his own.

    And that’s it right there. Larsson is tracking nicely to be that guy.

  138. SumOil says:

    Jethro Tull,

    I would have gone on to 5 mil for him. Better to overpay demers a bit than Lucic while keeping hall

  139. JOHNNY OPERATOR76 says:

    Hall had the skills that were lethal in junior, but he was becoming less effective at the NHL level because it was the same play most every time. Sure it was impressive how he skated up the ice but that same ol lame shot that the goalie would yawn and save was getting old. Way too predictable. Good player who looked even better on a terrible team. Lucic is the answer. Hail PC!

  140. hags437 says:

    Water Fire,

    Your argument makes zero sense. Last time I checked the Kings and Blues were light years ahead of the Oilers. Kings have Cups to prove it and the Blues continue to make playoffs. But yes…we should have kept our precious kids together and sat at the bottom happy with out shiny toys.

  141. letmycamerongo says:

    Anyone else worried about losing Davidson to expansion? As someone mentioned above if the Oilers sign another longterm Dman contract we are going to need good defenseman on cheap contacts(Davidson)

    If the Oilers opt for the 7f 3d option we already know who is getting protected (Klef, Sekera, Larsson) leaving Davidson as a really attractive option for Las Vegas. Not to mention if we add another RH Dman this offseason.

    The more I look at our forwards and those we’ll have to protect the more I think the Oilers should opt for protecting 8 skaters, protecting 4 forwards (Nuge, Lucic, Ebs, Drai) and 4 defenseman (presently Klef, Sekera, Larsson, Davidson). If Nuge or Ebs should be traded for a Dman we could protect only 3 forwards and 5 dmen.

    I don’t know, maybe I am too panicked about the expansion draft, just preemptive thinking.

  142. SumOil says:

    Pouzar,

    He is tracking defensively not offensively

  143. stush18 says:

    I think chia is leaving a door open for slepyshev, pitlick, yakimov, khaira, cagguila, or someone else to surprise. I think one of these players make the team out of camp, if not for a little bit

    Let’s not forget, slepyshev played some games last year, and looked very good. He also posted some good offense in the AHL after LTs mythical midway point. And he plays a heavy style, something chia would love.

    I would really like to see another centre brought in. I was hoping for helm but not at that contract. Anyone else available? Sam gagner anyone?

    Poo-nuge-ebs
    Lucic-mcjesus-slepy
    Maroon-drai-yak
    Hendricks-testtube-kass

  144. J-Bo says:

    To me adding Demers does not contribute towards balance. A good defenseman yes, but it would be building our defense in the same manner that the forwards were built: too much of the same. Chiarelli is truly focused on balance. He is trying to balance Left shots and Right shots better, he is trying to balance skill, speed, size, grit, etc… throughout the lineup and he is trying to balance defensive/2 way defenders with more offensive minded ones. I think Barrie or the like is necessary to fill out our defense for next year not Demers. I know that Barrie is likely to cost Nuge and that would be another tragic blow to our offense, but honestly at this point I think the team would be more balanced with that trade than without it (assuming Nuge was the only acceptable price for Colorado). Then maybe a LHD like Reinhart could be traded for a 3rd line RHC. JMHO.

  145. Pouzar says:

    Oddspell:
    Dang, I’d take that Demers contract any day.

    Come on, Wiz!

    Now we trade an f^ckin A+ 2nd line center on any team for a PP QB.
    I’d love to have Barrie but 1 position is more important than the other. Demers coulda been
    had for $$. Trade Fayne, sign Wiz to run yer PP. Done.

  146. Jethro Tull says:

    SumOil:
    With that excellent demers signing this off season keeps crushing my soul

    Dude, the price for Florida may not have been the price for Edmonton.

    And with Chia’s comment about him yesterday, maybe Chia knew something….

  147. Bryan says:

    When I first heard about the trade I was devastated…..in utter shock that there wasn’t more coming back and that it took Taylor Hall to make that happen. I would have burned all my oiler sweaters if I had any. Time has passed and sanity has slowly returned. I still feel terribly for Taylor after all he was forced to endure and all the crappy teams he was surrounded with here. Now he is moved on to another team in shamblesAnd I can easily understand his disappointment. I have never had an ounce of interest in the Devils and their style of hockey but from here on I will be a strong supporter. Looking at the trade from Chiarelli’s point of view now I do understand his motivation. Larssen has some impressive stats in the defensive zone and also appears capable of making a very nice exit pass. Having him and Klefbom locked up for a number of years at reasonable money has the potential of being the best bargain for a top pairing in the league. Despite the feelings of sadness that linger with me I do much prefer this option than the one of gutting the team to get an overpriced PK. It would have destroyed the structure of the team when it was time to pay McDavid with a bloated contract like that on defence. My greatest wish now is that nothing else crazy happens now. Perhaps overpay Demers a little or move Reinhart or Nurse and a pick to get another RHD. Leave the forward group alone and see what happens. I think Puljujarvi is not far from being an offensive driver in his own right. There is still great potential in the forward group. Let’s see what can happen with some defence that can make a pass to get them started, something that Hall rarely had in his time here. I remember how different Hesmky looked for the season of Pronger and the almost look of disbelief he would have when the puck would arrive on his stick at the perfect time.

    Klefbom – Larssen
    Sekera – Demers
    Davidson – Fayne
    Osterle
    Reinhardt
    Nurse

    That group looks to have some real puck moving potential to me. We wait.

    (Edit)
    I see now that Demers is gone. If we lose someone like Nuge because of the failure to sign him then any last bit of faith I have in management will have drained away.

  148. Lowetide says:

    That Demers signing is sweet for the Panthers. Lordy.

  149. elphy101 says:

    Chia said we were out on Demers yesterday. My assumption is that Demers told him he was choosing to go elsewhere.otherwise that FLA signing is disheartening.

  150. JimmyV1965 says:

    David: However it is possible he acquired an asset that’s value will appreciate. If Larsson isn’t finished yet and progresses to a Hedman like place the trade will be good. That’s what Chiarelli is banking on, that’s what I will judge him on. He was saying that Larsson isn’t where Hall is now but he believes he’ll get there. If he does get there to me it vindicates Chiarelli.

    No offence, but I think this is flawed logic. Chia made a mistake trading Kessel for a first round pick. There’s no way he could predict that Toronto would completely tank and that he would ultimately draft second and then get Tyler Seguin. That’s just plain shit luck. I truly hope Larsson becomes the next Victor Hedman, but that doesn’t make this a good trade either. There’s that hope word again. Let me be clear. Chia is better than our previous GMs no question. But he’s no Stevie Y or Jm Nil. Doesn’t mean we can’t win, but doesn’t bode well for the future.

  151. LMHF#1 says:

    Nearly 10% tax difference between here and.FLA, so the contract here would have needed to be 5ish at minimum I’d guess.

  152. Andy Dufresne says:

    Lowetide,

    Thanks. That helps. I think I’m too overly optimistic about the potential of Davidson…..and if my optimism turns out to be justified in 2016 then its obvious that the Oilers Management will take this into account and react accordingly.

  153. HeatTreaterJoe says:

    Nobody will know the full impact of missing Taylor Hall until the season is well underway.

    In addition to driving his own offence, Taylor Hall seems to have totally zoomed Draisatl. If Lucic really is paired with McDavid (meaning the Oilers go from having 2 offensive lines down to 1), and Draisatl’s offence significantly dries up, that will be disastrous. Also, if McDavid and Lucic are together, the competition’s mantra may simply be to shut down the top line.

    I obviously hope things play out better.

  154. Rondo says:

    Lowetide:
    That Demers signing is sweet for the Panthers. Lordy.

    Florida and TB could be the best teams in the East next year

  155. JDï™ says:

    Jethro Tull: Dude, the price for Florida may not have been the price for Edmonton.

    I suspect that Florida got a discount, considering their status as a contender and the coughclimatecough.

  156. cabbiesmacker says:

    SumOil:
    With that excellent demers signing this off season keeps crushing my soul

    You had one of those ugly Kias?

  157. Pouzar says:

    SumOil:
    Pouzar,

    He is tracking defensively not offensively

    His primary assists 5 on 5 are right up there if I’m not mistaken. He got next to no PP time.
    I am not worried there at all.

  158. elphy101 says:

    With Ekblad, Demers and Petrovic as RHD, is Pysyk available?

  159. Jethro Tull says:

    elphy101:
    Chia said we were out on Demers yesterday.My assumption is that Demers told him he was choosing to go elsewhere.otherwise that FLA signing is disheartening.

    My assumption is that Demers asked for 5.5 from Edm.

  160. andymaury says:

    Hall for Larsson is no different then Johansen for Jones. Seems like RHD are the most prized possessions in the game

  161. Pouzar says:

    Jethro Tull: Dude, the price for Florida may not have been the price for Edmonton.

    And with Chia’s comment about him yesterday, maybe Chia knew something….

    Chia is getting another RH d-man. Book it.

  162. Sugar Reijo says:

    Water Fire:
    If it was salary Eberle makes 6 as well. It would be hard to convince me that for a second tier, unproven, non-offensive first pair RHD, that another high scoring winger in Eberle, the 2017 first and a D prospect wouldn’t be enough to get him.

    And it would be hard to convince me that Eberle and even Nuge at $6 million are anywhere near as valued by other GMs as you think.

    I believe Chia when he says Hall was the market. It squares with the Johansen/Jones deal.

  163. commonfan14 says:

    Hall trade, schmall trade. Why is everyone ignoring the real elephant in the room?

    Those “new arena” patches on the jerseys are beyond terrible.

    Am I the only one who can’t stand the thought of having to stare at that eyesore on everyone’s sweater all year?

    Easily the worst decision the team has made this offseason.

  164. Andy Dufresne says:

    dustrock,

    I could be wrong…..but I honestly dont see fan sentiment being a significant factor in the decision making regarding GM positon for at least two years…..it would require an Eakins level of catastrophy and even then the powers that be might remain stuborn……just my opinion.

  165. stush18 says:

    Pouzar: Now we trade an f^ckin A+ 2nd line center on any team for a PP QB.
    I’d love to have Barrie but 1 position is more important than the other. Demers coulda been
    had for $$. Trade Fayne, sign Wiz to run yer PP. Done.

    letmycamerongo:
    Anyone else worried about losing Davidson to expansion?As someone mentioned above if the Oilers sign another longterm Dman contract we are going to need good defenseman on cheap contacts(Davidson)

    If the Oilers opt for the 7f 3d option we already know who is getting protected(Klef, Sekera, Larsson) leaving Davidson as a really attractive option for Las Vegas. Not to mention if we add another RH Dman this offseason.

    The more I look at our forwards and those we’ll have to protect the more I think the Oilers should opt for protecting 8 skaters, protecting 4 forwards (Nuge, Lucic, Ebs, Drai) and 4 defenseman(presently Klef, Sekera, Larsson,Davidson).If Nuge or Ebs should be traded for a Dman we could protect only 3 forwards and 5 dmen.

    I don’t know, maybe I am too panicked about the expansion draft, just preemptive thinking.

    I don’t see them signing anyone other than who pouzar mentioned. A one yr prove it deal, or a young unproven asset, like montour, sproul, Russo, etc. Than we don’t have to worry about losing Davidson.

    That way they can protect their four dmen. And to be honest we will have to wait until after this year to see if Davidson becomes anything other than a solid bottom pairing guy. He is old for a prospect, and likely only have smaller incremental improvements. Hopefully not tho!

  166. Ducey says:

    dustrock:
    Don’t want to beat the Hall trade to death, but what if he overpaid Demers and then offer sheeted Lindholm/Barrie/Trouba?

    Then you’re only spending money and future assets and the core is maintained.

    Really don’t understand the aversion to offer sheets.

    Every offer sheet but one has been matched in the modern era. The chances of it fixing anything is low.

    And you have to overpay. So if successful now you have overpaid two players and maxed the cap to keep Hall. Two years from now those deals would cause some big problems.

    Look (this is not aimed at you Dustrock) I get that everyone loved Taylor, but there is no doubt they needed a high end RHD. Unless someone can point me to a better deal that is/ was available, I think Chia did the best he could.

    And speculating on the fact they could of got PK doesn’t count. It was clear it was going to cost Hall + Klefbom + the #4. PK is good but giving up those assets plus sucking up $9 M on the cap would put the team in a hole.

    And sitting around waiting on Demers doesn’t count either. Chia no doubt knew he was wanting too much / going elsewhere when he made the trade.

  167. LMHF#1 says:

    commonfan14:

    Those “new arena” patches on the jerseys are beyond terrible.

    They really are. Way too big. Patches also go on shoulders when done well.

  168. Kiltymcbagpipes says:

    Pouzar: Now we trade an f^ckin A+ 2nd line center on any team for a PP QB.
    I’d love to have Barrie but 1 position is more important than the other. Demers coulda been
    had for $$. Trade Fayne, sign Wiz to run yer PP. Done.

    I’m down with that. If we do move Nuge to Colorado sure would be nice to get Soderberg back too somehow. Nuge and Yak for Soderberg and Barrie?

  169. stush18 says:

    elphy101:
    With Ekblad, Demers and Petrovic as RHD, is Pysyk available?

    Petrovic would be the one availible. They just traded for pysyk.

  170. Sugar Reijo says:

    Water Fire:
    Frankly Chiarelli referencing his former success is frightening. The league has changed a lot since the Bruins last won and the Bruins formula has failed badly since.

    You know they made the finals four years ago under Chiarelli, right?

  171. LMHF#1 says:

    JDï™: I suspect that Florida got a discount, considering their status as a contender and the coughclimatecough.

    No. Taxes and cost of living.

    I’m supposing the guy has a smart agent.

  172. Jethro Tull says:

    Pouzar: Chia is getting another RH d-man. Book it.

    He’s got Craig on it.

  173. Professor Q says:

    LMHF#1: They really are. Way too big. Patches also go on shoulders when done well.

    Patches have been on the breast for a few years now, including the Stanley Cup sigils.

  174. Andy Dufresne says:

    SumOil,

    Would expect JP to require some acclimatization time in the AHL and be brought up late fall/ mid season for third line sheltered minutes. Dont expect him to be adriver in 2018 (maybe a 20% chance he could be). Like I said in another post dont know who the new driver will be but believe there will be one. Odds are its Nuge or Drai in 2018…..JPs odds perhaps move up to 50% IN 2019……its all conjecture ……but I remain convinced there will be a new driver

  175. hags437 says:

    This is what drives me nuts. So Demers signs for 4.5 and the critics are screaming that Chia dropped the ball. And yet we have no inside information. Demers could have said he would need at least 5.5 to be here(taxes way better in Fla as was already mentioned). Maybe he really had no intention of signing in the first place?! There’s so much we don’t know and yet we make an assumption that the Oilers missed out. Again, I love ya LT but your tweet speaks to this point. Balance was that close. How do we know that? Demers here for 4.5 was perhaps impossible for reasons mentioned above. When we don’t know facts, it’s a guessing game. We could come up with a million scenarios based on guesses and assumptions. I’ll guess that Demers had no intention of signing here for less than 5.5.

  176. West says:

    If Nail and Jesse both exceed expectations, our RW depth is just fine. (gulp)

    Nice play, Panthers.

  177. tcho says:

    Pouzar,

    He (Larsson) certainly seemed to think there was untapped potential there in one of his recent interviews. And no less a hockey authority than Pierre McGuire (troubling) agreed based on his viewing of him as a junior.

  178. JDï™ says:

    Jethro Tull: He’s got Craig on it.

    But he just finished designing the new arena patch for the jerseys – give him a little time, sheesh!

  179. LMHF#1 says:

    Professor Q: Patches have been on the breast for a few years now, including the Stanley Cup sigils.

    Yes and they look wrong.

  180. prairieschooner says:

    I feel the improvement on defense will make the Oilers a much better team this year and assuming Klef is healthy we should win lots more games.We are in good shape for forwards and our new Finn may only need 40 games in the AHL (he had been playing against men in Finland)
    We do not need a Stanely cup defense this year just a good one
    I am optomistic (not my real name)

  181. Lowetide says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Lowetide,

    Thanks. That helps. I think I’m too overly optimistic about the potential of Davidson…..and if my optimism turns out to be justified in 2016 then its obvious that the Oilers Management will take this into account and react accordingly.

    Well, there is a long way to go, too. Maybe the Oilers reach the deadline and have nine guys who they need to protect, and decide to send someone out for a player who does not need to be protected. There are countless options, there really are.

  182. Water Fire says:

    rope-a-dope: What forgives it? A 40 win season? I actually think it’s possible.. The team as it was previously constructed was not capable of that.

    No more awful trades forgives it.

    The real fear is that he guts the team and then gets fired, and we spend 10 more years sucking and with no lottery guarantees anymore to replenish.

    Boston is gutted, he was a part of that, although we hoped not. It is a real concern now because he did a very bad deal in Edmonton. He is showing that he is a relic and acquiring things that don’t matter in today’s NHL toward winning. Lucic is just a good top LW that is big, he doesn’t make teams win in himself, such as in LA. Hall is a better player and younger.

    The other bad scenario is Chiarelli is actually Lowe’s puppet.

    And to frame the trade, it isn’t Hall for Lucic and Larsson. That assumes Hall’s money just goes to Lucic. Eberle’s money could have gone, or Nuge, or Pouliot and Korpe’s buyout. A left wing of Hall and Lucic would have been devastating and the cap would not be affected at all.

    The deal was Hall for Larsson, and that is very bad.

  183. Stelio Kontos says:

    I’m not sure I understand this driver notion. If Hall and McDavid are the only two the oilers had, then there must be 10 in the league tops. Where is all this other offence coming from? I don’t like lucid over Hall, but we traded a superstar LW for a 1st line LW and a 1RD prospect. I don’t see how Draisaitl plus jesse for subban (forgot +nuge+eberle ++++) is a better deal, especially with the massive cap hit.

    Draisaitl and McDavid can run effective lines given nuge eats a large helping of the toughs. Nuge can drive a line if he isn’t buried.

  184. Andy Dufresne says:

    Richard S.S.,

    LT has already responded but for my part thank-you…..I really appreciate your clarification.

  185. Mr DeBakey says:

    JOHNNY OPERATOR76:
    Hall had the skills that were lethal in junior, but he was becoming less effective at the NHL level because it was the same play most every time. Sure it was impressive how he skated up the ice but that same ol lame shot that the goalie would yawn and save was getting old. Way too predictable. Good player who looked even better on a terrible team. Lucic is the answer. Hail PC!

    To what question?

    I like the way that Lucic carried the Kings to the Cup finals.
    I just hope he didn’t wear himself out.

  186. West says:

    RE: ‘Leon needs Taylor’ narrative. Leon gon be just fine.

  187. godot10 says:

    Lowetide: I think he will have to complete the task now, there is no middle ground. By completing the task, I mean he will have to get that puck-moving defender, have some cover in case Puljujarvi is unready, and be damn well ready to address problems in-season. Winning 40 games would be fabulous, and of course if this team is healthy next season it is doable. PC did not take the easy route, that is for sure. For that, he should be congratulated.

    I actually think Chiarelli took the route with a greater probability of success. He abandoned Rebuild #2, and began Rebuild #3. Rebuild #2 had a flawed foundation (no defense, no competent veteran support), and it is much harder to repair a poorly built building than just starting anew properly with Rebuild #3.

    So he took the best piece of Rebuild #2, and made sure Rebuild #3 had a defense and proper veteran support behind McDavid.

    This choice is horribly unfair to Hall, and all the fans who invested in Hall.

    But if one removes emotion from the decision, it was a very Belichekian decision.

    I feel like a limb has been cut off. But I’ve been through things like this before, many times. One survives.

  188. Ducey says:

    FLA now is the rightorium. The have Ekblad, Demers, Petrovic, Pysyk and Kampfer. This is where Chia should go shopping.

  189. JimmyV1965 says:

    Funny how people can agree on some things and completely disagree on others. I believe LT and I are on the same page about the Hall trade, but I’m convinced that signing Demers would be a huge mistake, or even the entire notion that he only costs money. Thank you Florida for signing Demers. We just avoided spending $5 mill over 6 years for our fifth best dman.

  190. Stelio Kontos says:

    Water Fire: No more awful trades forgives it.

    The real fear is that he guts the team and then gets fired, and we spend 10 more years sucking and with no lottery guarantees anymore to replenish.

    Boston is gutted, he was a part of that, although we hoped not. It is a real concern now because he did a very bad deal in Edmonton. He is showing that he is a relic and acquiring things that don’t matter in today’s NHL toward winning. Lucic is just a good top LW that is big, he doesn’t make teams win in himself, such as in LA. Hall is a better player and younger.

    The other bad scenario is Chiarelli is actually Lowe’s puppet.

    And to frame the trade, it isn’t Hall for Lucic and Larsson. That assumes Hall’s money just goes to Lucic. Eberle’s money could have gone, or Nuge, or Pouliot and Korpe’s buyout. A left wing of Hall and Lucic would have been devastating and the cap would not be affected at all.

    The deal was Hall for Larsson, and that is very bad.

    If we moved eberle for vatenen, and signed Okposo, what would your thoughts have been?

  191. Pescador says:

    Bryan,

    ” I would have burned all my Oilers sweaters if I had any ”

    That’s beautiful man.
    Re. Demers;
    Price for Edmonton was 5.5, price for Fla was 4.5.
    Source-
    Me on my couch. ?

  192. Stelio Kontos says:

    Don’t understand why the NHL won’t control for tax. Cap should be after tax. Either that or Notley pisses off. As does the drama teacher.

  193. Factotum says:

    IMO getting Larsson made signing Demers less logical, as neither one of them brings much offense or looks well-suited to being a 1PP quarterback.

    Given the choice of Larsson or Demers, I would choose Larsson because he looks more like a big minutes, tough comp shutdown type. Would love to see some zone exit data on the two of them.

    The bigger question, at least in my own mind, and which requires a lot of speculation on what the Oilers and the UFAs would have done yesterday in the absence of the Hall-Larsson trade, is whether the Oilers would be a better team with

    Hall, Lucic, and Demers
    or
    Lucic and Larsson?

    Chiarelli clearly thinks it’s the latter. Oiler fans can only hope that he’s right.

  194. JimmyV1965 says:

    andymaury:
    Hall for Larsson is no different then Johansen for Jones. Seems like RHD are the most prized possessions in the game

    Except that Hall is infinitely better than Johanson. If you don’t believe this you haven’t watched Johansson. He’s a big man who plays a small game and he’s the poster child for inconsistency. Oh ya, Jones may be better than Larsson as well.

  195. tcho says:

    I get the Hall fan support. Really – loved him. Very sorry to lose him.

    But I don’t get all the developing narrative around Chia getting less than 100% value for Hall. Where is the proof that there was a better offer for Hall on the table? Chia isn’t Tambo or MacT. He said at the draft that he was pounding the pavement at the draft, which would further add to the (admittedly circumstantial) evidence that he did his homework prior to the trade. It seems as if this was the market value for Hall.

    We, as fans, have a tendency to overvalue our own players. Hall is one of the best LWs in the game, but his a winger. Larsson is tracking to be a top pairing dman (and a RH – rare), younger, more of a value contract, dmen hit their prime years a bit later. There is tremendous potential for this to work out, if Larsson turns out as he’s been trending, and there is a track record to Chia that instills some confidence that it will (Chara over Redden, long term signing of Kbomb, accurate evaluation of Sekera).

    Further, I think it’s smart to take what the market gives you, and I think Chia did that. Wingers do come available in free agency/trades, much more readily than dmen (especially), and centres. Lucic is a serviceable replacement for Hall’s spot.

    People also seem to be indicating that it will not be possible for us to have a second scoring line w/o Hall, and I don’t understand that. If memory serves, 2 seasons ago when Hall was having a meh campaign, Ebs, RNH, and Pou were doing great as a first line. Everyone was worried about Hall.

    Proof’s in the pudding on Larsson, but I’m liking Chia’s moves thus far. If he sells low on RNH and we got f*&^ing Barrie back in return I’ll be pissed though. 🙂

  196. JDï™ says:

    General Fanager
    ‏@generalfanager

    General Fanager Retweeted St. Louis Blues

    #STLBlues add signings of Chris Butler, Conner Bleackley, Jacob Doty, Brad Hunt, Alex Friesen.

    Good luck to Mr Hunt!

  197. limit says:

    Glad Demers went to Florida, clearly his priorities are elsewhere.

    Chiarelli kept referring to attitude change, so conjecture something doesn’t mesh about Taylor’s attitude, similar to PK situation.

    It’s Connor’s team now, to the playoffs we go!

  198. Younger Oil says:

    Don’t know if we should put our powerplay hopes and dreams into a 32 year old who only played 47 seconds last year.

  199. Professor Q says:

    JimmyV1965: Except that Hall is infinitely better than Johanson. If you don’t believe this you haven’t watched Johansson. He’s a big man who plays a small game and he’s the poster child for inconsistency. Oh ya, Jones may be better than Larsson as well.

    That’s a crock and you know it. He single-handedly got the Predators to the playoffs, and was the league’s MVP post-Trade Deadline.

    Furthermore, I don’t think Jones is infinitely better than Larsson, and think that currently Larsson is better than Jones.

    The two trades are more similar than you give credit. Plus, Johansen is a centre. Which I have come to see is worth more in a trade.

  200. Yeti says:

    limit: Chiarelli kept referring to attitude change, so conjecture something doesn’t mesh about Taylor’s attitude, similar to PK situation.

    To be fair, it seemed that some of the ‘attitude change’ Chiarelli and Lucic were making reference to was the attitude of other teams towards the Oilers, i.e. that if you lean on them they fold.

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