FROM A BUICK 6

by Lowetide

If no changes come, the Edmonton Oilers opening night lineup should be more balanced than one year ago. That isn’t the same as saying the trades and free-agent additions guarantee a playoff spot—and does not excuse the price on Larsson—but balance is stronger now than a year ago.

OILERS PROJECTED OPENING NIGHT ROSTER

oilers projected roster july 19

I still believe we will see a James Wisniewski (or higher) added later this summer, but this is my projection for the RE. The team remains short in several areas, including a puck mover on D and a two-way RW/C—but there is time and those things may be addressed.

POSSIBLE RIGHTIES

  1. Jacob Trouba, Winnipeg Jets. Could the Oilers acquire him?
  2. Ryan Murphy, Carolina Hurricanes. Some chaos, but good speed and puck-moving ability.
  3. Brandon Montour, Anaheim Ducks. This could be a special player.
  4. Ryan Pulock, New York Islanders. Big shot from the point has high value. Very young.
  5. Jakub Nakladal, Calgary Flames. Intriguing player.
  6. Ryan Sproul, Detroit Red Wings. Puck-moving defender in the AHL.
  7. Jordan Schmaultz, St. Louis Blues. Puck-moving prospect.
  8. Ville Pokka, Chicago Blackhawks. Young defender in the Chicago system.
  9. James Wisniewski, Carolina Hurricanes. If healthy, depending on price, interesting name.
  10. Dan Boyle, New York Rangers. Retiring, but he is the player they are looking for—early, not late in his career.
  11. Dennis Wideman, Calgary Flames. A year removed from a fantastic offensive season.

Cam Fowler may be the best puck mover available, and Edmonton may pursue him because of need. Acquiring a righty would make the roster more balanced while also allowing Klefbom, Sekera and possibly even Davidson to play on their natural side.

PROJECTED CONDORS 2016-17

bakersfield projected roster july 19

The Bakersfield Condors should be a good hockey club, if the Edmonton Oilers can manage to keep the kids on the farm. They tried a year ago, with both Leon Draisaitl and Darnell Nurse on the opening night roster. This time, the possible impact AHLers include Drake Caggiula, Anton Slepyshev, Jujhar Khaira, Griffin Reinhart and Laurent Brossoit.

CONDORS OPENING NIGHT 2015

Condors opening night 2015-161

This is a pretty solid lineup for an AHL team. Top prospects included Leon Draisaitl, Darnell Nurse, Jujhar Khaira, Iiro Pakarinen, Bogdan Yakimov and Laurent Brossoit, among others. This season, the club should have some terrific additions, including some incoming forwards (ranked by NHLE):

  1. L Drake Cagguila 22-22-44
  2. R Patrick Russell 17-17-34
  3. L Jere Sallinen 10-15-25

GRIFFINS VERSUS CONDORS, 2015-16

This is the third year I have looked at the developing talent on the farm for Detroit and Edmonton. Here are my conclusions from each of the last two years:

  • August 2014: The Oilers are not in Detroit’s league in terms of development, but they are improving. This isn’t a MacT versus Tambellini issue, both men had the task of crawling from the wreckage of the team put to sleep a decade ago. That kind of shortsighted move by ownership (EIG) cost Edmonton a generation of talent, and impacted kids from 2002 to 2007. Not having structure, having to rebuild what other teams had established and cultivated for decades, had a tremendous impact on the prospects and the NHL team. Source
  • August 2015: If there was an expansion draft and all of these men were available, I think Pulkkinen goes No. 1 for sure. After that? Solid young options on both sides and you could make a case for the Oilers having as many good arrows as Detroit from the AHL. Source

GRIFFINS PROSPECTS 2015-16

  1. L Anthony Mantha, 20. 62GP, 21-24-45. He scored .5 points-per-game as a rookie pro, and then stepped up to .726 points-per-game this season. I don’t really know the line in the sand for NHL players in pro+2, but progress is good and he stepped forward this year.
  2. L Tyler Bertuzzi, 20. 71GP, 12-18-30. Rookie pro played his rugged style (133pims) and scored some, plus potted seven goals in nine playoff games. His .422 points-per-game seems shy if he is to have a top 6F role, but his skill set will fit well on a checking or fourth line when he arrives in the NHL.
  3. R Martin Frk, 21. 67GP, 27-17-44. What a strong second pro season! He was in the ECHL in 2014-15, and this year Frk was scoring 27 goals in the AHL. Back on track as a prospect.
  4. C Andreas Athanasiou, 21. 26GP, 8-8-16. A year ago I wrote ‘he has the look of one of those two-way steals Detroit somehow finds’ and it turned out to be true. NHL this year: 37GP, 9-5-14. Terrific pick from the fourth-round in 2012.
  5. D Ryan Sproul, 22. 75GP, 12-23-35. Puck mover recovered from a subpar second AHL season, and I think he might make the grade in the fall. He is waiver eligible and certainly has enough talent to be grabbed if made available.
  6. D Robbie Russo, 22. 71GP, 5-34-39. Red Wings signed former Islanders draft pick out of college and he took to the AHL lick a duck to water. He might be a better prospect than Sproul.
  7. D Xavier Ouellet, 22. 61GP, 4-25-29. He appears to be making progress but has played only 30 NHL games (second-round pick). It is unknown to me where he ranks on the Detroit depth chart but his resume suggests he could have an NHL career.
  8. C Tomas Nosek, 23. 70GP, 15-15-30. Undrafted free-agent from Czech, he has good size and is regarded as a good play-making center. Two AHL seasons have been about the same.

Eight players at the pro level, and I think you can reasonably argue six of them took substantial forward steps. Two others, Ouellett and Nosek, are gaining experience and remain legit prospects.

CONDORS PROSPECTS 2015-16

  1. C Kyle Platzer, 20. 48GP, 6-11-17. He has a solid two-way reputation and entered pro hockey after a strong junior year. His points-per-game (.354) is shy offensively, so we can’t count him as being on par with Bertuzzi after year one. A promising prospect, but he will need to force his way up the depth chart.
  2. C Bogdan Yakimov, 20. 36GP, 5-10-15. His rookie season saw Yakimov post a .491 points-per-game total—on par with Anthony Mantha. This year, he struggled, then bolted to the KHL before returning. His points-per-game total (.417) lost ground and we are at an early crossroads with this player.
  3. R Greg Chase, 20. 19GP, 1-6-7. Young winger spent most of the season in Norfolk, but should get a solid chance in Bakersfield this winter. He has no draft pedigree, but his points-per-game (.368) is equal to Platzer. Both men trail Bertuzzi.
  4. C Jujhar Khaira, 21. 49GP, 10-17-27. His .551 points-per-game this season represents a real step forward for this player. Khaira has the traditional problem with Edmonton’s AHL prospect forwards (light bat), but the gap may not be so large he cannot make the grade. The most promising season in Bakersfield’s prospect arsenal.
  5. R Anton Slepyshev, 21. 49GP, 13-8-21. A bizarre stretch in California obscures this winger’s offense. He is clearly more talented with the puck on his stick than most (if not all) Oilers forwards, but this was a wildly disappointing AHL debut.
  6. L Mitch Moroz, 21. 40GP, 5-5-10. He did improve offensively year over year (from .131 to .250) but that total is not NHL calibre.
  7. D Griffin Reinhart, 21. 30GP, 2-8-10. He fell points-per-game year over year (from .373 to .333) and had his wobbly moments in the AHL. I think he will get another half season in Bakersfield and one hopes he dominates.
  8. D Dillon Simpson, 22. 57GP, 4-16-20. He improved year over year at points-per-game (from .242 to .351). We don’t know how far he can go, but this is five years now where he has made progress. Impressive.
  9. D David Musil, 22. 67GP, 3-11-14. Defensive defender has probably done all he can do in the minors, but the way to the NHL is unclear. I think he is probably a terrific AHL shutdown blue, but every team has those guys.
  10. G Laurent Brossoit, 22. 31GP, 2.66 .920. One of the encouraging signs from Bakersfield last year, Brossoit has now built a solid resume. A late-season NHL audition perhaps takes some of the shine off, but I think the Oilers have played it mostly right with him and he may have a career.
  11. D Jordan Oesterle, 23. 44GP, 4-21-25. He improved markedly year over year in points-per-game (.377 to .568) and he has improved defensively.  Still plenty of work to do on the defensive side, but there are offensive openings. Oesterle’s offensive numbers this season are better than any Griffins in points-per-game.

Eleven players, but far fewer who had positive arrows compared to Grand Rapids. I would say the best arrows of the Edmonton group (Laurent Brossoit, Jordan Oesterle and Jujhar Khaira) are all at least slightly behind the Big 6 of Grand Rapids. If you are an Oilers fan, the hope (I think) should be that Griffin Reinhart, Bogdan Yakimov and Anton Slepyshev spike in 2016-17.

SUMMARY

Detroit’s prospects look stronger by some margin. If there was an expansion draft, I would rank the players thusly:

  1. Anthony Mantha
  2. Andreas Athanasiou
  3. Griffin Reinhart
  4. Robbie Russo
  5. Jujhar Khaira
  6. Jordan Oesterle
  7. Ryan Sproul
  8. Laurent Brossoit
  9. Tyler Bertuzzi
  10. Anton Slepyshev

FINDING KRUG

The Oilers badly need a puck moving option who can play real minutes—something Peter Chiarelli managed in Boston when signing Torey Krug. Kirk Luedeke has a very good article on him here, very worthwhile read.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun show with great guests, 10 this morning on TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey. How much does balance matter?
  • Andrew Bucholtz, 55-Yard Line. CFL Week 5 on the way.
  • Jeff Krushell, Krush Performance. Jays at the trade deadline, when do bats begin to slow (impact player division).

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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Fog of Warts:
I just posted an epic brain dump replete with bold and italic and outbound links (now “awaiting moderation”) on the Eberle RE thread, as triggered by Bruce, who somehow never fails to serve up just the pitch you’ve been waiting for.

It suffers from too much meat.Not enough bread.Not enough mayonnaise.Only one really good joke—flanked by so much meat, most readers will probably miss it.

I think I almost gave myself meat poisoning just writing it down, understating just how much of Give and Take pertains to the difficulty of “takers” admitting their mistakes (or cutting loose their failed draft picks).

Many people have no available reading speed for giant lumps of meat completely lacking in mayonnaise.

Back when parchment cost seventeen lambs per yard, this was a common reading speed.

With another three hours, I could go back and add mayonnaise to bring it into the modern era of seventeen lambs per disposable, chip-enforced deciliter.Not going to happen.

I hope at least Bruce will channel his inner Tycho Brahe and make it through to the end. Bring sandwiches.

The full nine yards of gridirony… expect a first down next time you decide to hash marks onto the field of play. 😉

Professor Q

hunter1909: Hold on. What about Yakupov getting totally fucked over by Eakins?

And who’s the genius that put RNH into the NHL when he had the physicality of a high school jock? After getting flattened 20 games into his rookie season RNH has never shown offensive chops worthy of a 1OA.

Then we subtract Taylor Hall(oh brother), who’s development was also somewhat fucked up by Eakins and we’re left with McDavid – who for me is forever getting driven headlong into the boards by a pair of grinning Philadelphia Flyers.

What? Nuge was *almost* flattened but actually took out the intended offender – Brenden Morrow.

His injury was the result of a freak trip over the blue line out in the open with no other players around.

hunter1909

godot10: Fayne HAS to play with a veteran.He isn’t cut out to be a mentor/babysitter of a young D.Is too immobile to cover from the mistakes of a young D.

Davidson developed as a defensemen playing right D to a chaos defender in Brad Hunt.Give him Nurse or Reinhart.Give Fayne Sekera.

Why aren’t you coaching the Oilers? Seriously, you know more than they do.

hunter1909

Nice to see MacT onstage at the 2016 Draft, helping keep the tradition…

*pukes*

hunter1909

Bag of Pucks: Thankfully, the Oilers are relatively unscathed in terms of horrible coaching hires compared to other organizations.

Hold on. What about Yakupov getting totally fucked over by Eakins?

And who’s the genius that put RNH into the NHL when he had the physicality of a high school jock? After getting flattened 20 games into his rookie season RNH has never shown offensive chops worthy of a 1OA.

Then we subtract Taylor Hall(oh brother), who’s development was also somewhat fucked up by Eakins and we’re left with McDavid – who for me is forever getting driven headlong into the boards by a pair of grinning Philadelphia Flyers.

G Money

SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!,

Love that, well done.

Hope it went down exactly like that.

Maybe with a little time discussing all the time they spent scouting Larsson and the entire teams confidence in his ability to step up and fit the Oiler system!

G Money

Also re: the last thread:

LadiesLove – yes, I should have clarified, the only thing in my post in reference to you was the request for more accuracy when slagging Yakupov (the truth suffices, no need for hyperbole). Otherwise, the rest of it was a more generalized reflection of some of what has been posted over the last week or so.

G Money

Fog of Warts,

Among the many reasons I love you is that I can post one of my epic wall of text rants (per Yak on the last thread) and half the time you’ll come along within a few hours and post something that makes my post look like a tweet!

New Improved Darkness

I finally get to Cult, and Staples has also mentioned Dr. J. Weird, though it probably doesn’t violate conservation of kitchen sink coincidence.

Usually I’m grinding Staples on this kind of thing, but today it’s Willis.

Are the Edmonton Oilers about to repeat their Leon Draisaitl mistake with Jesse Puljujarvi?

Now suppose we beam up every last minute of 2105–2016 to these guys ( The Gamesters of Triskelion) to wager over the young player whose previous year of development had been colossally bungled.

I’m sure Draisaitl emerges as their instant consensus pick. Because they’re all giant brains under glass, right? They know every sport in the galaxy, and this is such as obvious case of the stunted sophomore supernova effect, they radio back farting sounds, and wonder why we bothered them.

We can only hope PJ enjoys a stretch like that at any point during his ELC.

Here’s how we decide the matter here on planet earth. Body language, while the rookie drinks his difficult medicine. Actual outcome a year down the road considered irrelevant.

Too bad we couldn’t send Saddle back down at the end of his sophomore season for a booster shot of junior jungle juice.

Please fill up my bungle mug with more, please.

GET YOURSELF TOGETHER

Of course, some will point out he failed to maintain his ten-game, 1995-esque Art Ross scoring pace for the whole of the season. Three players in Art Ross history have pulled off 140 point seasons: Wayne (9), Mario (4), and Phil (2).

Excluding the above, have ten games ever been played by a sophomore at the beginning of a season who looked less ruined?

I’m no great shakes at this, but I’ll take one swing.

Teemu Selanne 1994 Game Log

Nope. 7-8-15, first 10 GP, including his five-point night. Ruined! What a bum.

Probably somebody, though. I’ll leave it to the professional Triskelions among our number to dredge up that answer from the fog of time.

godot10

kb:
Does:
Klef – Larrson
Sekera – Davidson
Nurse – Fayne

Make sense, assuming Davidson is playing at the level he was last year?
That looks acceptable by my eye.

Fayne HAS to play with a veteran. He isn’t cut out to be a mentor/babysitter of a young D. Is too immobile to cover from the mistakes of a young D.

Davidson developed as a defensemen playing right D to a chaos defender in Brad Hunt. Give him Nurse or Reinhart. Give Fayne Sekera.

Bag of Pucks

Stirred the pot on the Eberle RE post again as it seems to me that having a thread on Lowetide that never truly dies should’ve became a thing by now.

Bag of Pucks

JDï™: Now now – I know you didn’t mean that. It’s probably just the gluten talking.

As for Georgie, maybe – but mgmt didn’t give him nearly as much rope as Weakins got.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/coaches/burnege99c.html

Yep, you could call Slats a lot of things but indecisive wasn’t one of them.

Tough call. Eakins had the longer tenure of idiocy but Burnett will always have the Corson C debacle as his trump card. Thankfully, the Oilers are relatively unscathed in terms of horrible coaching hires compared to other organizations.

PeOiler

Jethro Tull,
This reminded me of an old joke my Opa would tell:

“Slippy?

Something wrong with that word ‘slippy’.
Where’d the ‘r’ go?

Probably came out in the warsh I guess.”

square_wheels

Lowetide,

Gryba can defend, although I find him a bit too chaotic in his outlets…..reminds me of the worst era of board ringer passing. Crease clearing is a fading skillset, need to be able to skate and pass to moving forwards before anything else. I value Oesterle over Gryba, not even close.

square_wheels

It seems the Flames thought Nakladal was a serviceable depth D who could actually skate and pass (cough Gryba cant cough).

Maybe the offence is what’s holding us back but they gave him a pretty solid B rating for the 27 games he played down the stretch.

Could he be another Czech D that could go on to 6 years of productivity ? We’ve seen one of those before ????

http://www.matchsticksandgasoline.com/2016/6/5/11816698/2015-16-report-card-jakub-nakladal

Jethro Tull

Bag of Pucks:
As comments continue to manifest on the Eberle RE long past its best buy date, safe to assume that Eberle currently holds the mantle for ‘Most Polarizing Player on the Oilers?’

At least until Adam Larsson takes the ice, Talbot lets in a softie, or Reinhart does anything to remind us of his existence.

Jordan Hemsky.

JD_Wry

Bag of Pucks: What a weasel he was.

Now now – I know you didn’t mean that. It’s probably just the gluten talking.

As for Georgie, maybe – but mgmt didn’t give him nearly as much rope as Weakins got.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/coaches/burnege99c.html

Bag of Pucks

As comments continue to manifest on the Eberle RE long past its best buy date, safe to assume that Eberle currently holds the mantle for ‘Most Polarizing Player on the Oilers?’

At least until Adam Larsson takes the ice, Talbot lets in a softie, or Reinhart does anything to remind us of his existence.

Bag of Pucks

JDï™: http://i.imgur.com/ylMeMrn.mp4

What a weasel he was.

Passed George Burnett as the worst Oilers HC ever?

admiralmark

AsiaOil:
The obvious deal is young LHD for young RHD and there are teams whose need and surplus assets mirror ours (e.g., FLA, WPG). Helps not to be viewed as desperate.

Problem being that:
Klefbom-Value contract expected to play 1st pairing
Sekera-NMC seems set at 2nd pair
Davidson-Incredibly good value contract- but does rest of league see this player and value him the same as we do? Enough to fetch the RHD we require?
Nurse- Oiler Braintrust appears to have a vulcan death grip on this player for the time being.
Reinhart-Doesnt seem to have the cache to bring back the RHD the team requires.

I get that there is a plethora of LHD in the system. But I dont see a excess of “NHL” LHD. Klef/Sekera/Davidson are there but is Reinhart and Nurse? What does an Injury to any of Klef/Sekera/Davidson do to this depth? Don’t get me wrong its a gamble I would take. I just don’t see which LHD would a) Fetch the required RHD (1PP, 3rd pair/2nd pair), b) be one the Oiler Brain trust is willing to part with, c) can fit in with cap considerations. Would trading Davidson for example for a $5 mill/yr player work with the cap? Lots to consider.

New Improved Darkness

I just posted an epic brain dump replete with bold and italic and outbound links (now “awaiting moderation”) on the Eberle RE thread, as triggered by Bruce, who somehow never fails to serve up just the pitch you’ve been waiting for.

It suffers from too much meat. Not enough bread. Not enough mayonnaise. Only one really good joke—flanked by so much meat, most readers will probably miss it.

I think I almost gave myself meat poisoning just writing it down, understating just how much of Give and Take pertains to the difficulty of “takers” admitting their mistakes (or cutting loose their failed draft picks).

Many people have no available reading speed for giant lumps of meat completely lacking in mayonnaise.

Back when parchment cost seventeen lambs per yard, this was a common reading speed.

With another three hours, I could go back and add mayonnaise to bring it into the modern era of seventeen lambs per disposable, chip-enforced deciliter. Not going to happen.

I hope at least Bruce will channel his inner Tycho Brahe and make it through to the end. Bring sandwiches.

frjohnk

AsiaOil:
. Helps not to be viewed as desperate.

Too late for that.

If Chia is calling I’ll bet the other GM is thinking “I wonder how much I can squeeze out of him if he really wants what I have”.

JD_Wry
Jethro Tull

JDï™: Did you cut out all pastries from your diet as well?

I cut out all letter ‘r’ from my diet, so pasties are still ok.

Bag of Pucks

JDï™: Did you cut out all pastries from your diet as well?

No, but I have stopped reading Terry Jones columns.

AsiaOil

The obvious deal is young LHD for young RHD and there are teams whose need and surplus assets mirror ours (e.g., FLA, WPG). Helps not to be viewed as desperate.

JD_Wry

Bag of Pucks: Am I supposed to do both at the same time?

Did you cut out all pastries from your diet as well?

Bag of Pucks

Remember when Dallas Eakins sold MacT and the fanbase on the idea that the only thing preventing this team from making the playoffs was getting their VO2Max scores higher?

Those were good times.

Btw, I’ve been chopping wood and carrying water like a madman and my V02Max is still decidedly mediocre. Am I supposed to do both at the same time?

square_wheels

Why did Jakub Nakladal look good ?

Minus the stench of being a Flame, what do his fancies tell us ?

kb

Does:
Klef – Larrson
Sekera – Davidson
Nurse – Fayne

Make sense, assuming Davidson is playing at the level he was last year?
That looks acceptable by my eye.

Jaxon

RHD Options

Euro Players who could be signed to ELCs:
Nils Andersson
Yannick Rathgeb

UFAs Edmonton missed out on:
Jason Demers
David Schlemko
Zach Redmond
Michael Paliotta
Morgan Ellis

UFAs still Available:
Luke Schenn
James Wisniewski
Dan Boyle
Marek Zidlicky
Eric Gryba
Jakub Nakladal

RFAs waiting for contracts:
Rasmus Ristolainen
Jacob Trouba
Cody Ceci
Tyson Barrie
Matt Dumba
Stefan Elliott
Michael Stone
Connor Carrick
Frank Corrado
Connor Murphy

Bag of Pucks

OilClog:
Hall trade is an indictment that management didn’t understand that defence takes longer to translate to the NHL. Any defender drafted at the 2010 or after cant be considered part of Halls cluster.

Any defenders the Oilers had during that time you could consider as part of the Hall cluster, they traded, or the ice broke their limbs.

Cam Barker, Nick Schultz, Mark Fayne… Seriously, that’s the levels management reached for to provide for Hall.

Nurse and Rhino have nothing to do with it.

Real shame that a player like Ekblad wasn’t up for grabs when the rebuild ‘officially’ started. Amazing what a difference he’s made to FLA in such a short span of time.

I also think that ‘BPA’ needs to take some of the blame for this situation, as the Oil could’ve clearly drafted Larsson for need over RNH as alleged BPA in that draft.

jonrmcleod

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Centre of attention

OilClog: Poor guy has never been the same since the Swarm

I think Nuge was the one player who took steps forward under Eakins. He plays the place-and-chase style very well. He fits Todds system like a glove too, when healthy.

Centre of attention

Jethro Tull:
Anybody remember when Nuge used to QB the PP like a ninja?

Yeah. He came back from that hand injury and picked up where he left off too, putting that wrist shot to use right away.

McDavid is just as good already if not better. Nuge will take a secondary role I believe, but he and McDavid will be able to work together on the same unit I think.

DevilsLettuce

Jethro Tull:
Anybody remember when Nuge used to QB the PP like a ninja?

Poor guy has never been the same since the Swarm

DevilsLettuce

Hall trade is an indictment that management didn’t understand that defence takes longer to translate to the NHL. Any defender drafted at the 2010 or after cant be considered part of Halls cluster.

Any defenders the Oilers had during that time you could consider as part of the Hall cluster, they traded, or the ice broke their limbs.

Cam Barker, Nick Schultz, Mark Fayne… Seriously, that’s the levels management reached for to provide for Hall.

Nurse and Rhino have nothing to do with it.

Jethro Tull

Anybody remember when Nuge used to QB the PP like a ninja?

Bag of Pucks

@ SAYITAIN’TSO, GRETZ, SAYITAIN’TSO!

Agree that ‘handedness’ was a factor and could certainly see the conversation going like that.

I guess there’s two assumptions in that convo that I have issue with.

1) That Klefbom is safe to project as 1LD based on the current sample size and injury history
2) That installing Larsson as the shutdown RD automatically brings out the O in KBom’s game, especially on the power play.

I think a far more prudent projection would’ve been

1) Acquire a RHD with O upside like Barrie, Shattenkirk or Trouba as your 1D bandaid & PP QB
2) Sekera as the likely 1LHD partner (for now)
3) Project one of KBom, Nurse or Reinhart to push Sekera out of the 1st slot, hopefully sooner rather than later. Competition.

Given Shattenkirk’s contract, you likely don’t have to deal Hall to get him, and if Nurse eventually projects in the Larsson role, why are we selling England by the pound to get the Swede?

On one hand, I can’t fault Chiarelli’s logic. He’s decided that allegedly elite ‘shutdown’ is the more difficult commodity and the PP QB can be had when cap constraints force the other team’s hand. At least, that’s what I hope he’s thinking. Cos, if he’s happy with this defence as is, I think he’s guilty of the wishful thinking of previous regimes.

dustrock

LMHF#1:
Would Montour or Manson be more likely to be moved by the Ducks? I’m assuming Montour because of they already have so many skilled offensive defencemen, but haven’t heard enough about the Ducks to know.

I also wonder about bringing back Randy Carlyle and if that makes a difference.

Is he good with young players?

kinger_OIL

jonrmcleod,

– So clearly not my wife hacked your account: she never apologizes!

– He would be hard for them to trade, agree: just have to hope they have a really bad season for Burns to be available at deadline…..

Woogie63

I woke up a little grumpy this morning and I am not liking LT’s 2016 starting line-up.

Left wing looks slow,
Centre looks way too young to be slotted 1C, 3C and Letestu, Lander are really bad options
Right wing without Puljajarvi looks like the opposition will be barrelling down that wing again
Defence has three starters with 107 or less NHL games under their belt, one is slotted 1LHD
Pray for Talbot to be healthy and effective.

jonrmcleod

kinger_OIL,

My apologies. I assumed you meant before the season. I think it’s unlikely that the Sharks will have no hope of the playoffs by trade deadline time. I can’t see them trading Burns if they’re in the hunt.

kinger_OIL

Centre of attention: I still disagree with the idea that the Sharks won’t be able to grab a first rounder for Burns.

The Islanders got a first rounder for Reinhart, I know that’s not the best comparison but this IS the Oilers we are talking about.

– well maybe your right. Anyway, we agree that they should be all over it, and if it’s the lottery-protected 1st rounder, and you had comfort that he would resign (I seem to recall Burns saying nice things about TmC), you think about it big time….

jm363561

I still believe that Chia will get a 3C / RW and a RHD – he has picks, players to trade and (assuming LTIR for Andrew Ference) dollars. The 3C ideally would (in an ideal world be Anton Lander early 2015 model) allow TMac the flexibility to play Drai at RW when necessary, and put Puljujarvi where he belongs I.e. anywhere but the NHL.

Klef, Sek and St Brandon, would be an excellent left side. Larsson and Fayne + new guy / Oesterle / Reinhart, is one addition shy of a decent right side. These eight + Nurse, Simpson and Musil give reasonable depth. Maybe no PP QB but Klef and St Brandon might be able to handle this.

Can this get us to the playoffs? Too many unknowns but there is hope.

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SayItAin’tSo, Gretz, SayItAin’tSo!:
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A chill ran down my back when I read this

Its all blue sky speculation on my part, but still compelling stuff for sure.

Burns would put this team over the top for the next couple years. His contract is a real concern though. Money would have to be shuffled around for sure. There is definitely an element of risk, I’ll be the first to admit that.

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LMHF#1:
Would Montour or Manson be more likely to be moved by the Ducks? I’m assuming Montour because of they already have so many skilled offensive defencemen, but haven’t heard enough about the Ducks to know.

I think they will find a taker for Fowler eventually. They are a budget team and value young players who are inexpensive.

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A chill ran down my back when I read this

LMHF#1

Would Montour or Manson be more likely to be moved by the Ducks? I’m assuming Montour because of they already have so many skilled offensive defencemen, but haven’t heard enough about the Ducks to know.